Hercules Jobsite Saw (Details & FAQ)
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- Hercules Jobsite Saw Details & FAQ - After the last video we had a bunch of questions and we got a lot of the same ones so as promised here is the follow-up video where I give you a bit more insight to some of the features as well as try to answer a lot of those questions.
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I saw (no pun intended) the Hercules on sale at my local HF for $249.99 (April 2019). This caused me to look for reviews of the saw, and brought me to your channel.
I have read many of the comments, and I am surprised that nobody has called you out on this: the 42 turns for the blade height IS A FEATURE! It emables much finer adjustments of the height of the blade. This feature, which you poke fun at in both videos, and the rack & pinion fence adjustment are steering me toward purchasing the DeWalt.
Also both of these are jobsite saws, which means that they will be moved from site to site and parts (miter gauge, blade guard, etc.) will be lost or broken in transit (as they are bouncing in the bed of your pickup). Parts are easy to buy for a DeWalt saw. Harbor Freight does not offer parts for their tools - you can only buy anothe saw.
Am I the only one that is kinda weirded out when we see Red in the videos instead of the talking bear? I instantly think "WHO is this imposter?"
Its Red un a human suit
I went out and bought this yesterday. $249 (online coupon on their site, not on their ads in store). I am impressed. I checked the arbor for wobble before even turning it on. It measured .002 at peak the saw i replaced was at. 016. I was able to rip 1/16" veneer from a sheet of plywood. This saw is sturdy, powerful, and accurate. Definitely a Dewalt killer. And NOTHING like the old garbage that was Chicago electric , though i never had any tools of that brand die, they just always felt cheap, but worked
Yeah, that new mic is a bummer. Should have waited for HF to put out a Hercules microphone!
Hello Red. On the riving knife one thing to remember is when the knife is level with the top of the blade it is set for non through cuts. Examples are for rabbits and grooves where you can't use the blade guard. To use the kick back pawls and the guard the knife is supposed to be in the highest position. When you put the guard on it will be level to the table. I see it all the time where the guard is pointing up and not level with the table. It also makes it easier to install the guard while allowing a bigger cut capacity when the guard and pawls are on.
Wish Harbor Freight could offer a veteran's discount like Lowes and Home Depot. It would put this saw in the ball park with Kobalt or Ryobi. Both of which have rolling stands.
Hey, @Den of Tools: Are there instructions anywhere on how to fine-tune the Hercules 10” Table Saw? There’s a brief mention in the manual that it should be done, but nothing telling you what you need to do to align the blade to the miter track.
My old craftsman has a rack and pin system but you have to push in the knob to engage it. I do like it for the fine adjustments but love it stays disengage normally
Just got mine today. So far so good. Not a SawStop, but we know that. The Hercules blade it comes with does a good job with plywood. Haven't done cross cuts yet, you don't need to spend more.
I love the fence cause it stays square, I happen to have the 7491 , so maybe it's that saw is even better , GOOD job 👍 but I understand keep it even , I do construction for living so I needed the 7491 cause of the features and rolling cart , good comparison again 👍
I bought the Hercules table saw (your first video convinced me). It's great so far. I only have two compliants. First, the blade angle is off by 1°. Is it possible to adjust that? Also, the riving knife isnt lined up perfectly with the blade, and catches occasionally. Is that something that can be adjusted?
Yes it is adjustable by two hex screws at the end of the gage slider. Easy adjustment if you have a digital level box!
It's nice to see how the blade guards go on since few will ever use them. I understand the companies have to include them for liability reasons, but those are obviously made out of the crappiest brittle plastic they can get away with. Using them makes the tool much less productive to use.
Can’t use a dado stack on either of these saws. The hitachi is a great saw that you can use a dado and has lager rip capacity than these. You can pick up the hitachi for $360
Where? Im only seeing 499 at big blue
Matthew H ACME tools online has them for 349 right now. I got mine a couple weeks ago on sale at Lowe’s for 359. It’s always on sale somewhere though.
@@mattharmony88 Im definitely going to have to wait for the sale then. Looks like Lowe's had them for as low as 299 on black Friday. From what I'm seeing it looks like a great jobsite saw, and for that price point, dado capability and built in rolling stand I don't think I can pass it up
Matthew H just bought the Hitachi. Great saw great price at Lowe’s for 349
@@mookeythepimpthompson6031 yeah it's 399 here at Lowe's. Was yours that in the store or online in your area?
I always love your GREAT reviews! As far as the saw goes, I won't be happy until HF's Hercules is 10 lbs, runs on a 80v, 10ah, 2-week continuous run battery, and costs $99 w/ 2 batteries, 3 blades and a free optional Saw Stop technology built right in. AND, the 20% off coupons would work with them. Change my mind.
If they could actually do a sawstop-esque safety mechanism, it'd make a huge dent in the market. unfortunately suestop would try to sue the bejesus out of HF and now that they are owned by FesTool.. they'd win or they'd leave it hanging in court for so long HF would have to fold. Sawstop sued Bosh for their reaxx saw and somehow, criminally won the case. I hope one day someone else will step up to the plate and give sawstop a run for their money. Their monopoly on this tech can only last so long. It's extremely anti-consumer to have this technology cornered into a fixed price tier of $1000 as just an entry for the bottom level saw. Their saws really aren't all that great compared to other saws below or at the same price range. You're just paying for the blade mech. That added tax really sucks because it's not very accessible to everyone..
SawStop needs a cheaper entry level saw IMO. If they released something in the price range of the herc saw or at least sub-500.. They'd make a killing. All of the hobbyists out there would suck that thing up in a heartbeat. It would be what the Sportster is to Harley Davidson. Sure it might cut into their higher-end tool profit margins, but they'd still be making cash and clearly that's what they really care about anyways.. So what's the harm in expanding their reach? --- Honestly I think they should license the tech, they'd make a freaking killing if they licensed it.
Can this saw use Dado blades
i would like to know too
No it will not
Dam 😒
You did a great job demonstrating this product. Thank you.
can i use a dado head in it of hercules tablesaw?
Thanks for the review and follow up.
Bear, I was out to purchase this when it disappeared from stores and web. Well as you had already discussed on another video this model is to be replaced.
The new model is now available and in stock "1" in my local store. looked at the box on the floor and never pulled the trigger. The display model was this one and at $279 sold as is with only 5 day return and no blade on the display. I walked out empty handed. BUT I will return for the new one once I see it on display and do the touchy feely.
I still think the push stick should be blue
I was honestly shocked it wasn't.
I am guessing the use the push stick that Harbor Freight already sells separately?
Plastic Push Stick #33279
What up Red. Both saws have their good points, and not so good points. As i said before in my first comment ever on your channel; I have the Dewalt model you’re comparing. And you’re right it is a great saw for it’s intended purposes. Plus, the R&P fence is nothing to scoff at. Where there is a little more flexibility to the Herc with the fence and such. Looking forward to giving the Herc a home in my in process basement shop along side with its chopsaw brother I just picked up last weekend. Enjoyed the video and thank you for all your effort you put into making them.
42 the answer to life the universe and everything.
Just don't leave home without a towel. 😎👍👍
Every frood dude knows that.
Dado Blades?
No
I got mine last week. I've used it all day everyday since. I'm cutting certainteed 5/4 × 4" × 18", 5/4 × 6" × 16', 5/4 × 16" × 16'
Hey Bear, I still want to know how to straighten riving knife and if you ever needed to adjust the arbor to the table how easy it is. I like the herc throat plate style, but Leaning towards DeWalt just because it seems easier to insure fence is true. Hows the performance of the DeWalt with the herc blade. What's the square footage of both tables?
Hi Bear. Love the vids. However dB is logarithmic, and 2dB is almost imperceptible to human (maybe not bear) ears. It's not linear like inches. But the overall average 93dB measurement showing both saws are pretty much as loud as each other is valid information.
I understand how dB works but I can also say that everyone that has heard the two saws run next to each other has voted the DW saw louder. It could also be a tonal issue. It just sounds harsh.
Yes 2dB is hardly any difference and almost impossible to notice. However, the different frequencies of noise effect us differently. A higher pitched sound is much more irking than a low growling sound, and will actually sound louder.
Umm... No.
dB is, indeed logarithmic, but that means the exact *opposite* of what you just claimed.
Every 3dB is an apparent doubling of volume. If you start up one table saw, and measure the noise, and then start up a second one of the same saw, you’ll see the dB increase by *three*.
2dB is *quite* a significant difference between the two.
Today, I was told this saw was in the store, "out back." I'm planning on going back with the 399.00 coupon later in the week!
D'oh! I meant 299.00!!
It's ok. I speak fluent typo.
I got the same Dewalt a couple years ago, because I wanted a table saw for some projects, and had some gift cards I'd been given on holidays to take away some of the "ouch" on the price. I have liked it a lot. For my projects though it is probably overkill, at least on the pricing. If I were getting one today I'd probably consider the Hercules...using a coupon of course. I do love the fence on the Dewalt for the ease of changing cutting widths, and I seldom have to extend fence out and deal with detaching it. However, given the price and features on the Herc, I'd recommend it to anyone looking for one for the first time.
You can't use the coupon on the Hercules brand products.
The weak point of the saw is the plastic handle. Once broken off it is real pain to raise the blade up and down. The miter gauge had lots of play as well but I liked the fence.
Yes on vets discount
Can you use a dato blade?
No
I purchased a Hercules table saw today best ever !!
can you put a dado blade on it?
wondering the same thing - need to rip 3/8" dados in 2x4 stock and the volume is too much for my handheld router.
I just purchased this saw and I was wanted to know how did you square the saw blade? It's off by a couple of centimeters from the front to back and there is no instructions on how to adjust the blade.
A couple of centimeters?! Sounds defective to me. (2.54 cm = 1")
Bought the Herc today. It's about what I expected for $250. Cheap but still fairly solid.
Only thing I'm not sure about is the blade height dropping every time the saw is started. It really needs a lock mechanism or at least a friction adjustment.
Does anyone else notice this or is it just my saw?
I have not noticed it and I can't take a look at it till I get back to Vegas, sorry.
@@denoftools thanks for the reply. Maybe someone else will chime in.
I have the same problem.
Same here. I have had mine for a year and a half. Yesterday I was cutting kerfs and noticed that the blade was dropping with each slice. I started testing and set a blade height and then turned the saw on and watched as the adjustment handle started slowly turning counter clockwise by its self. When I first bought the saw I had to exchange it as the blade angle would not lock when the lock handle was in the full clockwise position. Anyone have a fix for the blade height dropping issue?
Another good video. I would like to know if there's play in the blade? Consistency in an accurate straight cut? Both questions about the Hercules.
There is also some play in a blade, and this is not a cabinet saw. But for a mobile saw it was very tight, at least as good if not better than the Dewalt. I just finished a nice little build using the saw and had zero issues with getting a good, straight cut every time.
Hercules table saw seems to match the Bosch more than the Dewalt. Bosch has similar fence adjustment with the front and back lock and table extension system. I actual like that style fence myself for really quick adjustments and find it automatically squares itself with the table rather easily...at least to what I can testify on the Bosch. Dewalt's table saw lineup just doesn't show as well as their miter saws.
Yeah, when I got the saw my first thought was that it was the illicit love child of the Bosch and the DeWALT.
Almost bought this today. The floor display fence would not lock up square to the table. The back would lock to the left an 1/8" . Hope they go to a rack and pinion set up in 2020.
No way to use even a small 6” dado set with this saw?
Hey Bear, What's a good "portable" stand that will work with this Hercules jobsite saw. I can't seem to find anything HF and I'm not sure how compatible it is with others like say Dewalt. Help a brother out!
I am really considering getting the herc.. It's looking pretty darn good. The price tag of 249 is hard to beat for all of those features that aren't even on some more expensive saws like the Ridgid. I really dig the slot in the fence and the faceplate lock on the side.
$249???
my old craftsman is 25 years old but only has a couple of things missing that these saws have don't need to replace but if was 50 years younger would check out hf saw real close
The faster on the dewalt riving knife is never meant to be in done only loosened then pushed inward
No push stick unless you like wood in your stomach. Microjig all the way. I will never use anything but a microjig 3d push block.
Looking at the Bear's reviews and checking the saw out in the store makes me really think about it. Was going with Ryobi or Kobalt due to the warranty, but this is a nice saw and looks to be heavier duty.
I would definitely suggest against buying the Ryobi 3C woodworking I had what I called the Ryobi train but after a year it took a dump and I got rid of it I bought the Hercules instead all the DeWalt because I feel like the fence on the Hercules is bigger beefier and not as flimsy looking
I would like to get this Hercules saw but HF currently has it priced at $350 and no coupon for it since November. At 350 or less I can pick up a Rigid with more features.
I hope Harbor Freight will make a big capacity saw like Dewalt 7491RS with 32 1/2 capacity. I do not want to purchase a less desired saw and years later that I will need a better one. l like your miter saw comparison, and I am convinced that I will get the Hercules miter saw next time when I go to Harbor Freight, which is 40 miles away.
watched both of your videos on the table saw. You never state what material that the top is made of. The Hercules color top looks like some kind of plastic? I really hope they change the measurement sighting system to something more like the dewalts
Sorry, I thought I did. It's machined alluminum coated in an epoxy resin.
Would you take the hercules over the kobalt?
Depends on use. If I'm only going to use the saw every so often and not rip wide pieces I'd get the Kobalt but only when it's at that $179 sale price. If I was going to be more serious about using the saw, I'd get the Herc.
I'm looking forward to having that saw.
When is it going to be available.
I bought the 12 inch hurcules chop saw.
Love it.
I'm a carpenter. Chop saw is my tool of the day.
I want that table saw.
Is there a stand that comes with it. On wheels?
Got to have a stand with it.
Should be a couple weeks on the saw. Stand... um. There is one in the works. Might make it by Thanksgiving.
2 weeks was a good estimate as I got the HF email yesterday and the time stamp on the comment says 2 weeks ago. Good call!
Can't wait to have that hurcules table saw sitting next to my hurcules 12 inch chop saw.
I think there going to make a great team.
When I get the table saw I can sell my ridged table saw.
I don't like the ridged table saw.
Good follow up to a good review
So i got the Herc, has anyone tried to fasten it to a mobile stand? Thot it might work with the Dewalts since theyre so similar.
So disappointed in that cheap fence on the hercules. I just don't see who would want to buy this thing. The dewalt is just better, and for $50 more, it's just not enough of a difference. It just seems like they focused on all the wrong things. Who cares if you can change the blade slightly faster? How often do you need to change the blade? Also, just how reliable is that arbor lock?
I bought one recently and my riving knife is bent a little bit. I can't figure out how to take it off to straighten out.
Same here. Looking now for a way to adjust it.
@@steelsunpi There's no way to adjust it. I actually brought mine back and exchanged it for another one. Got lucky this time. Riving knife is nice and square..👍
Kinda honked me off when I went to HF when my Dewalt table saw pooped the bed. I am about done with Dewalt btw. So the nearest anything to my job was HF and I go to grab one of these saws. I was intrigued when they first came out and for 320 it seemed like a decent amount of saw for the money. Well they were out of stock and wouldn't sell me the floor model. They'd gladly sell me an open box POS chicago electric or whatever it was that would probably die if I ran a 2x6 through it. After fighting with Home Depot and them screwing my order up I wound up with a Ridgid because it was the only saw in Iliinois I guess other than a Ridgid 8 inch and a Ryobi 10 inch. I am pretty happy with that Ridgid and I got it for cost. Yep, apparently Home Depot actually does value their contractor customers, or at least this particular manager did. Four hundred plus dollar saw for 212 bucks and they gave me the All terrain saw cart for cost as well. 300 bucks and I had it all delivered to my job in 2 days. Should have cost me over 650 with tax. But I still like that darn HF saw. I want to believe they will make a good product, but honestly with the prices the Hercules fetch you're better off with the Ridgid or the Dewalt for a few additional bucks. But it does seem like a good solid saw that can take a few meatheads on a crew giving it a beating for a summer.
Nice video, but is the T track a common size? I.E. can I order t-track from Rockler and have it fit?
Yes.
@@denoftools Darn, I will have to save my V.A. pennies .
Any news on a mobile stand? I have been heavily considering the Hitachi C10RJ 10 I like the mobility because my wood working projects bounce from the basement to garage depending on the size and seasons here in the NE. Also the price drops down between 300-350 a few times a year.
There is one in the works but it going to be a bit before it comes out.
Hey Bear .. since there is no table saw stand option@ harbour freight, would you recommend a specific "mobile" table saw stand that would carry this beast ?
You've made me start second guessing myself...I just bought the Ridgid r45171 Friday (still in the box), for woodworking and making furniture. Now I'm wondering if I should take it back and grab the Hercules while it's on sale.
The Ridgid is a great saw (same specs) and it came with a stand right? If you don't need the stand??? Yeah, you could save yourself what, $70 bucks?
Let me put it like this...someone pulls up to your house with two boxes...one with the Hercules (with the 3 year extended warranty), and the Ridgid (with it's warranty, but without the stand). Price wise, that might make them fairly equal, so price isn't in the equation. If the person in the truck said "pick one and it's yours, free of charge" which one would you pick? This question might sound like a moot point, but HF was out of the Hercules Sunday and gave me a rain check, so the ball is still in play.
Bought the saw after first review. First time I pushed the blade angle lock over it snapped right off. Appeares to be really cheap looking pot metal. any issues with this locking lever or did I just get a bad one?
I've got a question. Speaking of questions. How do you maintain such a silky fur coat? I'd expect sawdust, and oil stains, but you look as fresh as the day the spa kicked you out.
Hot springs and fresh salmon.
How can you remove the riving knife from the Hercules table saw
Haha . . . Yogi's waiting for his pick-a-nic basket.
Ive had the Dewalt for years, its been great, but..... Raising and lowering the arbor is tough and chunky, like theres crap in the gears. Been planning on cleaning it out for a while now, still havnt.
Hey Bear! The Hercules table saw has finally came out and I really want to purchase it but I won’t really need it for awhile. How long do you think it would take for it to go back on sale for $300? Or should I just get it now? I’m new to harbor freight and the super coupons
Still on sale! www.hfqpdb.com/coupons/3287_ITEM_HERCULES_10__15_AMP_JOBSITE_TABLE_SAW_1551545599.9149.png
Thanks to you I returned the Chicago 10' table saw and got the Herc, OMG what a difference!!!!!! It's 1000% better!!!! Only one question, where does the miter guide go? Is there a storage spot for it?
Sorry, but there is no onboard storage for that. And yes, I chewed them out over that.
Wow did you see the extended family and friends sell, Chicago Electric 12" with 25% coupon comes out to $104.99 before taxes!! Do you really think the Admiral is better? The sell has me conflicted on which one to buy.
@@FfrankieG176 I would check to make sure you can use that 25% off coupon on that. I think that price is a special sale price and you can't stick sale prices and coupons.
I wish I could send you a picture, I have it in my cart ready for check out, I have the miter saw and 80 tooth admiral blade, comes out to $132.98. Chicago Electric is not listed on coupon. At this price, what do you think?
@@FfrankieG176 Its a killer deal at that price. The thing you need to do is this. Once you buy it, take it home, set it up and test for square. Test everything. The only downside of the CE is quality control. Some are great, some are total junk. If you get a bad one, just take it back and exchange it.
Nothing in the manual!!! How do you align the blade to the meter slot (adjust the blade alignment) ?
Red, it appears as if the saw is no longer available?
The Herc looks almost exactly like my old Bosch table saw.
How is the dust collection on this and the dewalt ? Seems a bit small with 2 1/2" and not a 4 "
What do you guys think about the Kobalt table saw?
What is a blade guard?
Did the Herc have any onboard storage for the miter gauge or fence?
Hi Bear, I am new to woodworking. When I watch other table saw videos here on TH-cam, I don't see those paws on their riving knife. And the Hercules Paws don't work with the Micro Jigs that I bought. What's the deal with those?
That seems pretty typical for compact job site saws
What's your thougts on the metabo 10" tablesaw? Corded model?
Is there a mobile stand available. I have the miter saw and stand. Will the miter stand work with the table saw?
Can you cut dados with the Hercules?
Hey bear how can you strengthen the fence of the
Does the hurcules take dado blades??
Can you use aftermarket runners for sleds and such ard they 3/4 standard.
I tried to get to the forums but it wont allow me to post a question... so I just bought a Evolution Rage 5 tablesaw and the thing has a few issues I dont like. I love the saw but it does not support a Dado Stack... so I was thinking I'd buy this Hercules saw but I want to know if it will accept a Dado Stack? I kinda have buyers remorse but if the Hercules will even do ¾ Dado I'll just set it up for that alone...
do you work for harbor freight, sounds biased to me
No but people have a tendency to hear what they want to hear.
Which is better on a compressor more psi more horse power or most gallon tank for all around use
HP can affect how fast the tank fills but not much more. CFM will limit what you can use it for. Smaller tanks make them kick on more.
Is there a table/stand I can use for the harbor freight table saw?
I know what to do with those guards and riving knife. Toss them!
Guards I totally aree with but there is simply no reason not to use a riving knife on a saw like this.
"It kind of gets on your fur" ....t-shirt idea :)
"Poor tools bring out the Grizzly Bear in me"
@@JosephLorentzen ...yup, this one too.
Hércules 12" vs Chicago 12" next video please
will this saw take a dado set?
Great video and details in the comparison Thank You
I don’t have any of the issues you had with the Dewalt. You seemed like an infomercial clumsy actor.
I owned that table saw, the gear and pinion is the best in the business. Also the switching back and forth between the two positions is pretty intuitive and accurate as hell. I mean if you are ripping you're gonna stay on the wider range anyways. I don't think redbear has done much woodworking tbh.
Hi, I want to buy a new engine for my Hercules saw, someone knows where I can find it
What's the weight difference between the two?
Sorry if you’ve already been asked this Bear, do you know if HF is going to put out a Herc stand for the table saw?
Yes but it's going to be a bit.
Thanks! I’m loving my Herc miter saw stand.
They no longer make this saw it has been replaced with one that has a rack and pinion rip fence and has increased in price considerably. Ashamed it was nice and affordable before the changes. Expect to spend 350 that is now more than Dewalt.
Except the DeWalt is now only a 8" saw! Their 10" is now around $600
cool my man.
Does the blade on the hercules recess completely below the table surface?
Yes.
Can I use dado blades on the herc? Scrolling comments for the answer but haven't found it yet.
No. And I don't recomend doing so with any compact saw. Use a router and a straight edge instead.
When Professor Bear says Herc...I get Herc.
the herc. is a much better saw,dont like the ugly fence on the Dewalt
Can you tell me the height of the table top from the bottom? HF says 18" but that cant be right.
12 3/4" (just unboxed mine)