Very interesting! When you discussed RIII keeping his disability hidden with clothes, etc it reminded me that President F.D. Roosevelt was crippled from poilo and wheel chair bound, but that was well concealed, and not many people were aware of his disability. Thank you for doing these stories! Regards from Canada 🇨🇦
I hope you did not see my first comment: it wasn't an insult at all, but I was an idiot. I love your show; thanks so much for having Matt! You play off each other well. I enjoy your comments and the banter and suppositions you give each other. Superb!
50 years ago my history taught me exactly what Mathew says here, cross reference and understand who wrote it and why, she added that she had to teach me what the curriculum said, even if it was wrong, she was a wise woman, i still remember as a great influence
I believe the root of ALL the rumors re his nephews, and his wife's sickness and death is that people saw Richard as "less of a man" or "NOT a man" due to his disability, and slight (not masculine norm of his day). It must have been far worse at that time as compared to today when a female in charge is not just acceptable, but beloved (e.g. Queen Elizabeth II). It is unbelievable almost to conceptualize just how much RIchard was able to achieve in his short life enduring such an extreme disability. NOTHING stopped him in his duty to his father, his brother and his kingdom. He didn't allow himself to be overcome by what people thought of him. They cruelly ridiculed him for not being "manly" enough, and the great indignity his body endured after death in re the blow to his backside. So, sinkingly cruel! I believe, which I've not heard anyone take note of as of yet, is exactly why there was such a moving desire to jump on Henry's bandwagon? It might NOT have been because of any rumor that Richard "might" have done such a horrible thing to his nephews or, in fact that they did accuse him because he was not manly due to his disability, and that he was of slight, delicate build compared to the normative? It may be that they saw Henry as a REAL King because he was not disabled looking as the ideal "man" of his time i.e. ~ "People believe an effective king is one who looks like their ideal of a man." My grandmother had scoliosis identical to Richard's. Being full figured, may have added weight/imbalance to the extreme curvature, as well as enduring 10 child births (2 died in infancy and childhood) may have added additional pain? Prone to worry, and frequent migraines, she was aided by eating espresso grounds. Never took painkillers but there was none available to her in that period and degree of poverty. She didn't realize what she had exactly believing she had no shoulder blade due to one shoulder being lower pushing that side of her body in. In photos it is clearly visible and it's severity in the dresses she wore. Before my grandmother's death, she asked my mother to burn the imitation shoulder blade she sewed, swear to secrecy it existed, and her condition, to keep her dignity. Disabilities were severely frowned upon even in her day. We are not at that point even today, with the ability to look past them, and at the person's worth as a human being alone. My mother also had it, but not to the degree her mother did. My grandmother never stopped working. Sewing suits without patterns, making small, handmade pasta for her family and anyone who needed a meal being too poor to eat regularly, knitting in between everything else she did. She never stopped working. She died a painful death. It took a very long time. It killed her not to work feeling useless with no purpose anymore.
Very interesting conversation. As an American I recognize and hate that we teach history from USA POV and not any other. I definitely think that needs to change here as well.
Regarding corruption of the soul due to scoliosis: KRlll would have a very good knowledge of theology. He would, as a Catholic, know that all bad and evil things are due to sin and all good is from God. As an intelligent and pious Catholic, KRlll would understand that God allows him to have scoliosis and that our sufferings can be offered up to God in alignment with Our Blessed Lord's Holy suffering as we, as followers of Our Lord. Catholics pray to Our Lady , asking her to offer our own sufferings to her Holy Devine Son in payment for sin-especially for other's sin. I am sure that KRlll would have prayed about his sufferings. As for the 'person in the street' and theology- people learnt about their faith by listening to the local man who is educated- the parish priest. As today, there would be faithful Catholics and unfaithful people.
And...to believe that someone is more guilty of sin than another person is to have the sin of pride and is the sin that is the route of all sin. Humility is its contrary virtue.
Matthew Lewis puts his case with passion, clarity and engages his audience from the start. My only criticism would be is The Tudor Tracker. I found her soo annoying, cutting him short and interrupting. She should also check how she comes over. Her constant brushing her hair, I found particularly irritating. Sorry but if she does these forums on a regular basis, she should perhaps address this. Otherwise Matt’s insight to the events that unfurled 500 years ago was fascinating , bringing new evidence and unravelling fake news, propaganda . This by examining another possibility, another alternative to the versions Tudor chroniclers and Shakespeare which we are soo familiar with. Have been an ardent admirer of Richard for many many years now, and when they found his body, it was too good to be true. Of all the medieval monarchs, that his should survive is quite beyond belief. I took some friends of mine up to Leicester to visit the museum as I wanted to be part of Richard’s reburial and to be that step closer to him and his world.
Hi Pat, I’m glad you enjoyed Matt’s insights. He’s so knowledgeable on Richard (and many other things). The exhibition centre in Leicester is amazing and so close to where we can now visit Richard in his final resting place. Like you, I think it’s a must visit. And his discovery was INCREDIBLE- I can’t see the likes of that happening again and all hail to Philipa for her work with this. The hair thing - it’s a bit of a habit, a nervous one I’m the past but I don’t realise I’m doing it. No one else has mentioned it 🤷🏻♀️ But I’m glad you enjoyed Matt’s parts, as that’s what’s important. I’m aware - and getting more so - that when I get excited about something (like chatting with Matt), I get over excited and babble a lot. I’m working on it and being mindful. So I take your comment on board, but I don’t think you’re sorry. It’s all good to express an opinion, but there ways of saying it, you know, that are perhaps a bit more mindful. I bounce back pretty well, but I know people who wouldn’t really taken your tone to heart. Have your thoughts and opinions and suggestions, but be kind. Some people are terrified and trying hard to overcome things.
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Outstanding Discussion for both video parts, Thank You! 🌞
Very interesting! When you discussed RIII keeping his disability hidden with clothes, etc it reminded me that President F.D. Roosevelt was crippled from poilo and wheel chair bound, but that was well concealed, and not many people were aware of his disability. Thank you for doing these stories! Regards from Canada 🇨🇦
Great interview. Just finished Matt's biography of Richard III. Absolutely loved it. Thanks to you both for taking the time.
You’re most welcome - I’m really glad you enjoyed it!
I hope you did not see my first comment: it wasn't an insult at all, but I was an idiot. I love your show; thanks so much for having Matt! You play off each other well. I enjoy your comments and the banter and suppositions you give each other. Superb!
50 years ago my history taught me exactly what Mathew says here, cross reference and understand who wrote it and why, she added that she had to teach me what the curriculum said, even if it was wrong, she was a wise woman, i still remember as a great influence
I believe the root of ALL the rumors re his nephews, and his wife's sickness and death is that people saw Richard as "less of a man" or "NOT a man" due to his disability, and slight (not masculine norm of his day). It must have been far worse at that time as compared to today when a female in charge is not just acceptable, but beloved (e.g. Queen Elizabeth II).
It is unbelievable almost to conceptualize just how much RIchard was able to achieve in his short life enduring such an extreme disability. NOTHING stopped him in his duty to his father, his brother and his kingdom. He didn't allow himself to be overcome by what people thought of him. They cruelly ridiculed him for not being "manly" enough, and the great indignity his body endured after death in re the blow to his backside. So, sinkingly cruel! I believe, which I've not heard anyone take note of as of yet, is exactly why there was such a moving desire to jump on Henry's bandwagon? It might NOT have been because of any rumor that Richard "might" have done such a horrible thing to his nephews or, in fact that they did accuse him because he was not manly due to his disability, and that he was of slight, delicate build compared to the normative? It may be that they saw Henry as a REAL King because he was not disabled looking as the ideal "man" of his time i.e. ~
"People believe an effective king is one who looks like their ideal of a man."
My grandmother had scoliosis identical to Richard's. Being full figured, may have added weight/imbalance to the extreme curvature, as well as enduring 10 child births (2 died in infancy and childhood) may have added additional pain? Prone to worry, and frequent migraines, she was aided by eating espresso grounds. Never took painkillers but there was none available to her in that period and degree of poverty. She didn't realize what she had exactly believing she had no shoulder blade due to one shoulder being lower pushing that side of her body in. In photos it is clearly visible and it's severity in the dresses she wore.
Before my grandmother's death, she asked my mother to burn the imitation shoulder blade she sewed, swear to secrecy it existed, and her condition, to keep her dignity. Disabilities were severely frowned upon even in her day. We are not at that point even today, with the ability to look past them, and at the person's worth as a human being alone. My mother also had it, but not to the degree her mother did.
My grandmother never stopped working. Sewing suits without patterns, making small, handmade pasta for her family and anyone who needed a meal being too poor to eat regularly, knitting in between everything else she did. She never stopped working. She died a painful death. It took a very long time. It killed her not to work feeling useless with no purpose anymore.
Very interesting conversation. As an American I recognize and hate that we teach history from USA POV and not any other. I definitely think that needs to change here as well.
I’m glad you enjoyed it 😊
I saw that documentary on the gentleman you speak of ,, a while back now ,, for some reason I think it was the Richard 111 society?
Regarding corruption of the soul due to scoliosis:
KRlll would have a very good knowledge of theology. He would, as a Catholic, know that all bad and evil things are due to sin and all good is from God. As an intelligent and pious Catholic, KRlll would understand that God allows him to have scoliosis and that our sufferings can be offered up to God in alignment with Our Blessed Lord's Holy suffering as we, as followers of Our Lord. Catholics pray to Our Lady , asking her to offer our own sufferings to her Holy Devine Son in payment for sin-especially for other's sin.
I am sure that KRlll would have prayed about his sufferings.
As for the 'person in the street' and theology- people learnt about their faith by listening to the local man who is educated- the parish priest. As today, there would be faithful Catholics and unfaithful people.
And...to believe that someone is more guilty of sin than another person is to have the sin of pride and is the sin that is the route of all sin. Humility is its contrary virtue.
I've just joined the KRlll Society Yorkshire Branch. It is very exciting!!!!
Matthew Lewis puts his case with passion, clarity and engages his audience from the start. My only criticism would be is The Tudor Tracker. I found her soo annoying, cutting him short and interrupting. She should also check how she comes over. Her constant brushing her hair, I found particularly irritating. Sorry but if she does these forums on a regular basis, she should perhaps address this.
Otherwise Matt’s insight to the events that unfurled 500 years ago was fascinating , bringing new evidence and unravelling fake news, propaganda . This by examining another possibility, another alternative to the versions Tudor chroniclers and Shakespeare which we are soo familiar with.
Have been an ardent admirer of Richard for many many years now, and when they found his body, it was too good to be true. Of all the medieval monarchs, that his should survive is quite beyond belief. I took some friends of mine up to Leicester to visit the museum as I wanted to be part of Richard’s reburial and to be that step closer to him and his world.
Hi Pat,
I’m glad you enjoyed Matt’s insights. He’s so knowledgeable on Richard (and many other things).
The exhibition centre in Leicester is amazing and so close to where we can now visit Richard in his final resting place. Like you, I think it’s a must visit. And his discovery was INCREDIBLE- I can’t see the likes of that happening again and all hail to Philipa for her work with this.
The hair thing - it’s a bit of a habit, a nervous one I’m the past but I don’t realise I’m doing it. No one else has mentioned it 🤷🏻♀️ But I’m glad you enjoyed Matt’s parts, as that’s what’s important.
I’m aware - and getting more so - that when I get excited about something (like chatting with Matt), I get over excited and babble a lot. I’m working on it and being mindful. So I take your comment on board, but I don’t think you’re sorry. It’s all good to express an opinion, but there ways of saying it, you know, that are perhaps a bit more mindful. I bounce back pretty well, but I know people who wouldn’t really taken your tone to heart. Have your thoughts and opinions and suggestions, but be kind. Some people are terrified and trying hard to overcome things.