An Evangelical Exodus?! (w/ Dr. Douglas Beaumont)
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- In this episode of The Cordial Catholic, I'm joined by one of our favourite guests of all time, Dr. Douglas Beaumont, to talk about Evangelical Christian conversions to Catholicism. Doug is a convert himself and a former student, then instructor, at Southern Evangelical Seminary where he worked, as a graduate student, under the late Evangelical theologian Dr. Norman Geisler.
Dr. Beaumont tells the story of his own conversion - borne out of looking into the Bible's origins and authority - and the how, why's, and when's of other Evangelical Christians and their conversions to Catholicism.
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My husband and I converted in 2004. Easter vigil that night was the most important moment of our lives.
I have taught RCIA for 25 years and have always looked for what salesmen call the Hook. I finally realized that there was not one. Everyone had a different reason for joining the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
"authority" is the closest thing going...or more significantly, GRACE
I've actually been teaching rcia for about 18 years and I will agree that there is no one simple hook, but as Dr Beaumont said the one thing I always lead my classes with is Authority and Truth. I always say that the Holy Spirit can bring a lot of people to the church in a lot of different ways, I always admit that many of them are here because of a family member or a fiance or a spouse, and that that was a wonderful reason to look into Catholicism but not a good enough reason to join...
I'm a Jewish convert to the Catholic Faith. I was converted by a dream. Somehow, in an instant, I realized that Jesus Christ is real, that He's alive, that He has all the power and all the love. I fell madly in love with my Messiah. My first prayer was, "Lord, I'm yours, body and soul. Do whatever You want with me." My second prayer was to ask the Lord to "find me my church before Easter." That was on March 12, 1990. After several weeks of visiting churches, wherever I was invited, I landed in the Catholic Church on Good Friday. I knew immediately that this was it, I was home. There's a lot more to the story, but I've been Catholic now for over 30 years, and it's the best thing that ever happened to me. I thank God every day at Mass for my Catholic Faith. I have never heard two conversion stories exactly alike. Protestants talk about having a personal relationship with the Lord, but it's really the Lord who has a personal relationship with each of us. Every conversion is tailor-made for each individual. God is amazing and so great in Mercy. I am typing this on Divine Mercy Sunday, which has been my favorite devotion since my early years as a Catholic, because I experienced His Mercy. Thank You, Jesus!
As a cradle Catholic who has decided to return to the Church within the last 2 years - it is amazing to me how many people are either returning to the Church or converting from another denomination.
Welcome back! Next week’s episode is a conversation with a revert who has an incredible story!
Welcome back to the family. You were missed.
He’s right it’s so much easier to be a Protestant than a Catholic
I understand that you mean that it is much more comfortable. And in that sense, you are absolutely right. I know of divorced people who become Protestants only because their moral situation, new relationships (sex) and contraceptives, would be untenable in the Catholic Church. And those people do not want to change their lives.
In short, Protestantism almost always allows morally leading a much less compromised life, a relaxed life. Many of those people don't believe much of that Protestant teaching, but they're still there because it somehow helps them bear their consciences.
My journey was 5 painful years also lol. Pealing back layer after layer. Best thing ever though
So grateful my wife jumped on the conversion wagon with me. My gnostic skepticism had more or less destroyed her faith as cultivated in her Baptist foundation. It's so mysterious how and when Jesus finds us and I'm thankful for the quality and kindness of Catholic apologia. It has been a lovely process.
Doug’s book “Evangelical Exodus” was extremely influential in my conversation to Catholicism. Appendix 3 on Sola Scriptura was a perfect summary of the problem facing Protestants. My wife also found it very convincing. We have two copies now and I often recommend it as a resource.
I am glad it helped you both!
Wow! I better get that book for my friends!!!!
Obviously, at the root of every conversion to the Catholic faith is the power and inspiration of the Holy Spirit working in the lives of these people. But I believe that the "quiet" intercession of our Blessed Mother is playing a critical role here. I can't support that statement with any evidence, but I still believe it to be true.
Awesome!
I'll get it. I'm about to tell my pastor, hopefully this week. Two men close to me already are scrutinizing me. Losing friends will be very hard for my wife. Please pray for us.
I am a Jewish convert to the Catholic Faith. My brief testimony is down there ⬇️ in a reply to @davidyoung.
I just wanted to add that, when I was planning to enter the Catholic Church, I told a couple friends. One said to me, Why don't you become Episcopalian? I asked, What's that? He explained to me the history. I answered, Why would I want to join a church that was founded by somebody who wanted a divorce?
I think that about sums up how I see Protestants, that the founders of the various denominations all wanted to do their own thing, because they think they're right and everybody else is wrong. This is exactly the temptation of Adam and Eve, to be like God and decide for yourself what's right and wrong. I'm very thankful to be Catholic, where I know the Jesus Himself founded this Church and guaranteed it against teaching error and gave Peter the Keys. I thank God every day for my Catholic Faith. Thank You, Jesus!
Please pray for me to discern God’s Will for my life. Thank you
Reading "The Cathecism of the Council of Trent" online for free is great for whoever wants to know the true Catholic faith.
Former protestant, want to be in communion with the Catholic Church 😍❤️
For me, two of the most readable and important books along these lines are “Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic,” by David B. Currie, and “The Lamb’s Supper,” by Dr. Scott Hahn.
Couldn’t agree more!
I appreciated what Doug said about Cameron still thinking like a Protestant
Two ways of approaching: you either accept the claims that the catholic church is the true church and therefore accept the beliefs that come with it (catholic) … or you establish your beliefs and then shop around at the church that fits those beliefs (protestant)
After RCIA he will think differently
Douglas Beaumont is so awesome
Couldn’t agree more!
Evangelical Exodus is one of my favorite collections of conversion stories. The stories balance a good amount of argumentation with honest and detailed exposition of the conversion process itself. An excellent read, and a good gift to drop off to pastors at local non-Catholic congregations.
Douglas’s book can easily be found on Amazon. Doug, is there a place you would recommend that people purchase it? Any places that offer a bulk discount?
Glad you found it so helpful! Maybe contact Ignatius and see about bulk?
@@daniels3537 you sound like a Mormon missionary ! We R Home!
It is very hard thing an evangelical pastor becoming a Catholic. Can someone forego the limelight and financial benefits and become just an ordinary christian in the Catholic Church?
Many pastors have walked the path that you describe. It's not easy, but many have done it. Many of their stories can be heard on "The Journey Home" television program. Search for those videos on TH-cam. Also, the Coming Home Network, online, has been a help to many Protestant pastors who have become Catholic, without always becoming "professional convert speakers." Most Catholic converts aren't in the limelight.
Happens all the time dude.
Lol. 'Financial Benefits'. This is a very hypocritical statement considering the catholic church is one of the wealthiest entities to have ever existed.
@@Glockenstein0869, you may not agree but reality is it is easier for one to remain a pastor in an evangelical church because there they call the shots. The Catholic church is wealthiest I admit
@@Glockenstein0869 only because it has 2000 years to accumulate it. Mega Churches, only a decade or so. Also, with the Catholic Church, rich folks and even simple man, were moved by God and gifted their wealth and their talents to the Church for the love of God. Mega Churches, manipulate their members to give them their wealth. Church is wealthy, but the religious lives in poverty through their vows. Just some distinctions.
Man, I wish this conversation was longer because I could watch this for hours and I learn a lot of things from watching this episode. I've been searching for Catholic teaching about conversion that will satisfyingly answer my question, especially for those advocating to return to Classical Protestantism. This episode satisfyingly answers that question. Thank you, Keith and Dr. Doug you guys rock!!!!
Thank you so mucn, and there's more on my channel! ;)
Thank you Dr. Beaumont for the recommendation. I guess I have to binge-watch your channel because I know I'm gonna learn a lot of things. I also wanna say you are one of my favorite guests in the Cordial Catholic because you make the episode fun by inserting some jokes and it makes me listen attentively.
@@DouglasBeaumont hey Doug, as a convert myself interested in helping with our RCIA at my church, do you have any materials I can purchase that would be useful in that setting? I like your approach. Thanks
@@kevinmc62 Make sure you have the rite book (and get the new one if it ever comes out). I'd also look at Team RCIA online. We use the ACM model primarily and modify it with our own materials.
@@DouglasBeaumont thank you!
I found it very interesting the when Dr Ortlund, who I respect , made the appeal to Classical Protestantism he pointed to Lutheran and Anglican sources. Unless he is rethinking baptismal regeneration/paedo baptism then why direct potential Catholic converts to those sources if you don’t believe in them yourself? He’s made videos and written an article against a practice that a classical Protestant would hold. It appears as if he is trying to pull together in some ecumenical way early Protestantism to be a more formidable foe against Catholicism who did irreconcilable damage to Christianity while having the audacity to call itself “the Church”. If emotionalism is not a great reason to consider Catholicism (which I agree), I also agree it can’t be an adequate reason to reject it and it seems when Dr Ortlund appeals to the harms done to Jan Huss and others, or to the laity by withholding the Eucharist that he is also appealing to a negative emotion to refrain from a conversion consideration. Altogether, by appealing to Classical Protestantism It was if as somehow to make the case that collectively Protestantism holds teachings that may attract you but practically I still don’t see how that works. When I read articles on Classical Protestantism many of their beliefs look more Catholic, especially in regards to the New Perspective on Paul on justification and the importance of communion. In practice, the Eucharist is provided daily within Catholicism, while most of Protestantism still maintains communion on a monthly or quarterly basis. I still see that as a Catholic win post reformation based on the then and now aspects. One would still have to decide which “classical Protestantism “ to choose from and then submit to that teaching authority. Which church? Will it be swept up into the culture wars that have sent many anglicans or Lutherans to Catholicism already? Catholicism that has maintained orthodoxy in those areas. When the ground is shifting why not make a large leap unto the rock of Peter instead of a comfortable one with a form of tradition built on romanticized / idealistic 16th century answer to Rome that has “doctrinally developed” into relativism in the practical sense of late. Rome’s claim that Catholicism is “the Church founded by Christ” is audacious and exclusive, but is it true? Instead of using several Protestant texts that ultimately end in different theological practices, I have a Catechism given by a teaching authority, under an Apostolic authority that is truly universal. There is comfort in knowing I can trust an authority established by Christ and not in my own understanding.
Brother your comment hit the spot on that matter!!!
The Roman Catholic interpretation of Peter is "THIS ROCK " is not correct by the context of Jesus 2nd century Biblical Judaism: and it isn't the Protestant interpretation Polemic against the Roman Catholic interpretation either of its only Peter's statement.
Jesus taught this in front of the" THIS ROCK " that exists in Caesarea Phillipi to this day in Israel as the central site of Pagan worship of Baal and Pan and other Pagan gods.
" THIS ROCK " also had a cave called the Gates of Hell: doorway to the underworld in the Pagan worldview.
Peter = Petros a small stone and Christ contrasted this stone to Petra ( Feminine) "THIS ROCK " : both the language and context refutes the Roman Catholic and Protestant interpretations.
If Peter is literally the "THIS ROCK "then he is also literally "Satan" in verse 23 .
Which makes NO sense!
@@davidjanbaz7728 thanks for your input. You can find many people “scholars” who hold that opinion. They’re called Protestants, Anglicans, Orthodox, Jewish, Islamic, Mormon, Jehovah Witness, Buddhists and Atheists. A level of ecumenism and unity that no other debated claim has ever seen.
@@davidjanbaz7728 , Peter means Cephas (Aramaic for "rock"): "And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A rock." John 1:42
As a catholic i dont even have to bother myself with false positivity (protestant law of attraction) m. For cathlics even suffering is a way to Christ. Its so freeing to just focus on whats important
Catholic rock star ⭐️
Good to see and hear Keith and Douglas again.
Good to be seen!
I'm an adult rcia student right now. Been married to my cradle catholic wife for over 7 years now. I have always enjoyed studying theology, and came to the faith through my own studies and confirming through study the information scott Hahn and others have said. I wish I had found the church much earlier in my life in all honesty.
Such a great, civil, intellectual discussion. No one has been condemned to hell or called a heretic. Just a logical discussion of the issues involved and how Doug resolved them. We need more discussions like this in the YT space. In the end it is logic and not animus that wins the day.
Always appreciate your thoughtful comments!
Is there anything wrong with calling Protestants "heretics"??
Is it wrong to call someone baptized in the triadic formula who affirms the apostles creed and Gods word a heretic? Even if they aren’t perfectly joined to the Catholic Church ? I’d say it’s wrong
@@rickydettmer2003 hmm....except they don't worship God in any of the ways He has asked humanity to worship Him - of which we see the types in The OT.
Plus for the first 1500 years of Christianity, the word "heretic" was comfortably used by the Christian population.
They think The Mass is pointless rituals (even though it is impossible to be saved outside of The Mass), they call honouring Mary and the Saints "pagan", and aggressively and vociferously call the Pope "the anti-Christ". But we *must* call them "Christian" because.....Baptism....and Creed!!!!!
How times have changed. Hmph!
Hmmm, way to straw man every one who’s not Catholic and paint with a broad brush. If you are a representative of Catholicism then yikes. You throw the word heretic around like it’s nothing, but bc someone isn’t “catholic” that makes them a heretic? Show me any document that states that… I’ll wait lol
It is a pity that there are not more Catholics recommending "The Cathecism of Council of Trent". What a great reading.
Crossing the Tiber by Steve Ray would be pretty close to “the book” for potential concerts. In my opinion
I really needed this this morning. Thank you and God bless.
Thanks for keeping Doug honest.
Man is created to praise, reverence, and serve God our Lord, and by this means to save his soul.
And the other things on the face of the earth are created for man and that they may help him in prosecuting the end for which he is created.
From this it follows that man is to use them as much as they help him on to his end, and ought to rid himself of them so far as they hinder him as to it.
For this it is necessary to make ourselves indifferent to all created things in all that is allowed to the choice of our free will and is not prohibited to it; so that, on our part, we want not health rather than sickness, riches rather than poverty,honor rather than dishonor, long rather than short life, and so in all the rest; desiring and choosing only what is most conducive for us to the end for which we are created..
The Catechism of the Catholic Church(CCC), quoting Vatican II, says the following: “God willed that man should be ‘left in the hand of his own counsel,’ so that he might of his own accord seek his Creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him.” (1730) God doesn’t force us to seek and love him; it is something that he has left us free to do..
The word pray is Old English which means "to ask". If you can ask your boss for a raise, and talk to your guardian angels....how much more beneficial it would be to ask the saints in heaven and Mary and Jesus for their prayers and intercession.
As eloquent as it is insightful. Thank you.
Loved this talk. This is my first time listening to Douglas.💖
Doesn't have to be the last! ;)
Norma Guisler wrote a book, Should Old Aquinas Be Forgotten. It might have been the first book I read that made sense to me as an Evangelical. It made a lot of truth easy to understand. I read a lot of Catholic writers. I appreciate them very much. I love them in fact. I would convert however my wife and family are dead set against it. I am also leary of how uncatholic many Catholics are. I know hundreds of Protestants which were once Catholics, I haven’ t met many Catholics who are knowledgeable about their faith. God give guidance.
I'm reading your comment a year later and wondering how your journey is going now.
@@Catholiclady3 My young nephew has gone through RCIA and joined the Catholic Church. I am in complete sympathy with him. I have 4 special needs teenagers at home my wife and I adopted. I really want my wife to convert with me so our family can be together. I enjoy reading Catholic literature more than ever.
@@Catholiclady3 I am in a holding pattern but trying to learn all I can about the Catholic faith.
@@Catholiclady3 I bought the book, Evangelical Exodus, and thoroughly enjoyed it.
@@billprorok8115 God bless you. I'll pray for you both
As people become more educated there is bound to be an examination of oneself and thereafter an exploration and search for the truth.
Cordial Catholic is my favorite of all.
Excellent, excellent interview!
Thanks for watching!
Great discussion; quite helpful.
Indeed no one book does it. Conversion is the work of the will, and a good one is the work of the Holy Spirit, which makes me wonder why Dr Garvin can't seem to get out of his obsession with the belief that it is some intellectual ability of his that keeps him protestant, rather than emotional commitment and other stuff. Almost feels to me like insecurity or failure to accept that he would not convince Cameroon with all his reading and argumentations.
@35:37 to 36:20 - I like this discussion, your only job is to listen. You submit to the authority and teaching of the church. You don't make your own interpretation and pick and choose what you want to believe. That is the problem with Protestantism they all have their own theology and interpretation. There is no central authority. I just hope more and more Protestants convert to the Catholic church because they have been deprived of receiving the real body and blood of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
I read Scott Hahn's book shortly after it came out. I thought it was too simply written. But, hey, I'm a life long Catholic.
As I work on my own journey, I often hear things like the discussion here of "well, which classic protestantism?" and I think I'm in the same boat if I were investigating Catholicism with an eye on joining the Catholic church. Which one? Not only is there some confusion about whether a Jesuit or Benedictine or Norbertine or Byzantine, or is it best to be a Trad or a Novus Ordo or Charismatic or other is the right way to think Catholicly, but also the earliest Catholic positions and doctrines were actually much closer to things Protestants traditionally adhere to. And all those Catholics I mentioned make personal or regional or political choices about what aspect of the church's magisterial and papal authority to submit to as well. So, it seems Protestantism needs reform... a lot. But it's a similar kind of murky when thinking about what Catholicism most universally stands on, and/or which Catholic is right. There is a picking-and-choosing among Catholics that is similar to the critique in this vid. If such decisions work like they do for Protestants, I like Cistercians quite a lot, and I would still have things to work through. Otherwise, how does one find clarity? It seems that Gavin's tac is similar - finding what you may best personally discern is the most biblical or consistent with the faith. I think the charitable way to see some aspects of this is that the Protestant who is deeply concerned with following Jesus well is doing the same work as the Novus Ordo who loves Jesus and wishes to follow him well, while disagreeing with much of what came before Vatican II.
All roads lead to Rome. Matthew 7:14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
James Sheffield, "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ." Rom. 1:7
Great out of context application! All roads lead to the Roman Empire a pagan religious system.
@@davidjanbaz7728 , you are conflating the Roman Empire (a pagan religious system) and the Roman church . Do you think St Augustine was thinking about the Roman Empire when he said: "“I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.”?
Apologetics help us stand firm in our Catholicism, too. It’s about perseverance to the end, right? And apologetics can be one of the tools for that.
50:50 one of the things I would add to this discussion about early church fathers having a few aberrant understandings is quite simply that we even see this in the pages of scripture. There are two groups of Christians who couldn't agree on whether or not Gentiles had to convert to Judaism before becoming catholic, but the council in Jerusalem settled it and so then there was no more debate. When people are feeling out the faith early on it is very understandable that every so often they go down a wrong tangent or come to an incomplete or incorrect conclusion.
Great point!
Can we just take time to thank the Protestant churches for bringing people to Jesus and then them finding the Catholic Church in the process?
The Cordial Catholic at 53:04-28:
"I have a very good friend who's an Anglican priest, an Anglo-Catholic priest. He's very Catholic leaning Anglican though in his current role in his denomination, and I always think how does somebody live in that kind existence where it seems like the Anglican Church is falling to pieces around your knees, making very lateral moves away from scripture and tradition, yet cleave to that church (?) ..."
Response:
The Anglicans have an unquestioned unifying dogma, but it is one of sentiment: "God save the King."
There is no such thing as Anglo Catholic...one cannot have your feet in both camps! You are either Catholic or not
@@patriciajohnson1894 Of course, my dear lady, but there's also courtesy.
1. Anglo-Catholic is a term that certain Anglicans use to differentiate individuals in their 'high church' parishes from the evangelical 'low church' parishes and the middle of the road 'broad church' parishes within the greater Anglican communion.
2. However, there is (quoting wikipedia) 'The Anglican Use is an officially approved form of liturgy used by former members of the Anglican Communion who joined the Catholic Church while wishing to maintain "aspects of the Anglican patrimony that are of particular value". The use's most common occurrence is within parishes of the personal ordinariates, which were erected to fulfill that patrimonial need.'
3. I would not begrudge those Catholics belonging to The Anglican Use from referring to themselves as Anglo Catholics, in the same way I would not begrudge those Eastern Rite Catholics whose liturgies resemble those of the Eastern Orthodox Churches from referring to themselves as Eastern Catholics.
Know a Catholic priest that was Anglican. Married with kids. 20 letters to the pope and they let him convert. "Today you're going to hear something in a Catholic Church you never heard from a priest before. I'd like you to meet my wife. Stand up honey." Fr Greg Elder in St Martha's Catholic Church Murrieta CA.
@@johna1607 Rare, but permitted: "In July 1980 the President of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops received a letter from the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith indicating that the Holy Father, Pope Saint John Paul II, responding to requests received from some priests and laity formerly or actually belonging to the Episcopal Church in the United States and, after consultation with the National Conference of Catholic Bishops of the United States, had decided to make a special pastoral provision for the reception of these priests and laity into full communion with the Catholic Church. The decision provided for the priestly ordination of married former clergymen coming from the Episcopal Church and for the creation of personal worship communities, which would be allowed to retain elements of the Anglican liturgy." [from the pastoralprovision website, history]
@@annakimborahpa
There is no Priesthood in Anglicanism. They are 'Ministers of the Gospel' as laid down by Cranmer and Cromwell at the Reformation. Read. THE HISTORY OF ENGLAND THE TUDORS by Peter Ackroyd. Read about Elizabeth I's vision weeks before she died. Get it from the Library. Others can then also read it after u.
To all the evangelical converts…. Please bring them back home please. God is calling you. To God be the Glory! ❤
I hope Kirk Cameron becomes Catholic soon
Born in a Protestant denomination that teaches to be the one true original church established by Jesus and taught by the apostles. The problem is tha the Church was established in 1914 during World War I. I've practiced and believed the teaching of my church my whole life. My church teaches the the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon and the pope is rhe mark of the beast. Ive recently discovered this channel and a few others like Sam Shamoun. I'm slowly starting to read about the early Church, and I'm disturbed that I cannot trace any of the doctrines of my church in the writing of the church fathers.
Great video - thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I have watched many, many over the years of videos of people converting to Catholicism. But I have never heard what I'm about to say was given to me when I was in prayer. That all Jewish kings, which Jesus is, chose their Mother to be Queen. Jesus is in the line of David to do this.1 Kings 2,20. You can see Soloman did this as a Jewish King. Why?
My understanding is that they all had many wives, so none could be Queen. I'm sure there are more intellectual reasons, but also we are called honor our father and mother, so even a King has to honor his mother. Catholics have taught this forever. That's amazing that you received that in prayer.
If we are adopted brothers of Christ, His mother is ours. Just like in revelation 12, where it says Satan can not reach the woman because she is protected, so he goes after her children on earth.
Only, only, only the Holy Spirit converts people. Everything else is just the instruments that He uses to bring souls home to the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church.
Wow
About 29 minutes in, and I still have not heard one word about why he did this.
How disturbing. I can't fathom why someone would intentionally, knowingly go from what the Bible teaches to unbiblical things like the priesthood (as practiced by the RCC), the Mass, Mary worship, praying to saints, and all the rest. And then to be so bold about it, like apostasy is something good. What on earth is going on at a Bible seminary, if this is a common thing happening there?!
It's mind boggling to me.
Hebrews 6
1Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And this we will do if God permits. 4For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Maybe these folks _have_ looked at all the issues that you named and discovered that there is a solid biblical basis for them.
For example, Francis Beckworth was the President of the Evangelical Theological Society. Why did he become Catholic?
Your pastors, your seminary professors, your theologians are POURING into the Catholic Church. Why?
What have they discovered and discerned that you don't know (yet)?
@@randycarson9812 There is no biblical basis for the priesthood (as practiced by the RCC), the Mass, Mary worship, praying to saints, Purgatory, etc.
@@Yesica1993 Of course there is. Otherwise the Early Church would not have endorsed all those things. They weren't simply invented hundreds of years later. Let's begin with the first item you mentioned, the priesthood. I'll begin with two key moments which illustrate the institution of the priesthood by Jesus.
Two passages of scripture show that Jesus instituted a ministerial priesthood to continue His work on earth. First, during the Last Supper, Jesus instructed His apostles to "do this in memory of me," referring to the celebration of the Eucharist in which bread and wine become the body and blood of Jesus (cf. Jn 6:35-69). Jesus' directive to "do this" necessitated that the Apostles be granted the authority to carry out the rite or duty just commanded. Therefore, Jesus conferred authority upon the Apostles, ordaining them for this purpose.
Second, in John 20:21-23, after His resurrection, Jesus appears to His disciples and says, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." In this passage, Jesus grants His apostles the authority to forgive sins, thereby establishing the sacrament of reconciliation. This offers insight to Matthew 9:8 which says that God had given the authority to forgive sins “to men” (plural) - not just to one man, Jesus. Matthew understood this because, as an Apostle ordained by Jesus, he had been forgiving sins in the name of Jesus for decades by the time he wrote his gospel.
These two examples illustrate the institution of the ministerial priesthood and the sacraments which they perform in continuing the priesthood of Jesus on earth.
Now, the mass is simply the celebration of the Last Supper which is clearly seen in multiple passages of scripture. Surely we don't disagree that the Church came together to "do this" as Jesus commanded, do we?
There is Eastern Orthodoxy too
Honest question because I don’t know… When in church history, did Marian devotion start?
Sub Tuum Praesidium from around 250 AD this one was from Coptic but doesnt matter for me since they also Apostolic church
@@sandra7190 I have heard that that dating is not definitive. The Sub Tuum may date from as much as a century later.
@po18guy Well, historians place it as occurring, in any significant amount, after the Council of Ephesus in 431 CE.
@weaponofchoice-tc7qs
I must admit that, as goddesses go, she’s a wonderful one. Good choice! I’m almost tempted myself….
@weaponofchoice-tc7qs You know what? You are so right! Just spot on! The Apostles clearly didn’t comprehend Marian devotion. Not only that, but they had no clue when it came to Purgatory, the Papacy, the Sacrifice of the Mass, or even the Invocation of Themselves! On the other hand, they had Justification by Faith down pat!! What was wrong with them anyhow? 🧐
Has your wife given her conversion story? Would be interesting to hear her side of the story :)
Host, please speak more slowly, take pauses between sentences. Scott Hahn is a good role model for paced speaking so the listener can absorb what you are saying. Or Marcus Grodi as a great host.
Ok so why choose Catholicism over the Eastern Orthodox church? Especially given the fact the East actually removed Pope Vigilius from the diptychs for a period of several months.
This is a great question. I’ve addressed this question elsewhere if you want to look through some of my other interviews!
@WeaponOfChoice
As for the 1st part I've actually already stated explicitly which orthodox, please read the comment you're responding to more carefully next time.
7 is accepted as the bare minimum for ecumenical reasons, but I think 10 could be accepted the 8th being in A.D. 879. Which 8th ecumenical council is accepted by Rome and why did the ecumenical council which the pope was present contradict the council of A.D 869? I know I won't get an answer to that because *no Catholic has any answer to this.*
I'm ukrainian catholic. The divine liturgy is nearly identical to orthodox. The main difference is authority (world vs cultural / ethnic group). I love my orthodox brethren and they have always been good to people in our parish. We pray together. Why choose one over the other? History
Ah yes, the algorithm
What does RCIA stand for?
RCIA is the Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults. It's the Catholic program of instruction for adults who want to convert to the Catholic faith.
The official name for RCIA has been changed to OCIA, O for Ordinance now not Rite
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I see a lot more leaving Rome for Protestantism.
most, if not all, are catholics who didn't understand or know their Catholic Faith well. Unlike Protestant pastors or ordinary Protestants who actually know their belief well.
To me the concept that God requires humans to believe a certain set of dogmas or He condemns them to hell is simply ludicrous. And I very nearly converted to RC only a year ago.
Hmmm maybe the condemnation to hell is the result of not using the guidelines of said dogmas in life. Discarding them leads to wrong and messy decisions resulting to hellish life here and hell thereafter if pride still exists at deathbed.
No not really. Hebrews 4.12
Hebrew 4:13. The Word that is living and active is Jesus. Nothing is hidden from His eyes.
I read Rome Sweet Home and immediately gave it to my boyfriend. It didn’t do it for him. Then he broke up with me. I pray for him still 🥲
"Some people convert for kind of dumb reasons." Very true. Like Douglas Beaumont, here. Case in point.
Oof! That’s a scorcher!
@@TheCordialCatholic I've listened to all kinds of Catholic conversion narratives. I realize I'm a partisan Protestant, but they all brought forth pretty trivial reasons if you ask me. How is the canon significant? The church proactively delimited the canon or the church recognized the organic delimitation of the canon. Really kind of a difference without a distinction. Was the legitimacy of the deuterocanon an issue for you? Their acceptance is a mixed bag in the early church. Augustine for. Athanasius against. And on and on. But they don't enter into the discussion in regards to controversies between Rome and Geneva/Wittenberg. Canterbury consistently reads them during services. They have no impact beyond practical insights.
@po18guy Heck, no! Beaumont disses Bertucci's reasons for conversion...and then spurts out his own hierarchy of issues leading to conversion. The canon and orthodoxy? Are you freaking kidding me? He couldn't find a single compelling Protestant argument? Quite frankly, I find that unbelievable.
It’s probably not that more people are converting to RC, the ones who are are just more visible
too much giggling
Doug can’t help himself. 😂
Protestantism's insistence on Sola Scriptura proves that it is a victim of the Dunning Kruger effect.
They cannot see that if it were true there would not be 33 thousand different interpretations of it.
Catholicism is highly flawed but Protestantism is not the solution.
The Orthodox Church is the better choice.
But your don't say why.
You mean they're are no problems in orthodoxy?
All of the same problems exist in different forms in orthodoxy.
The Catholic Church is not flawed. Stop lying.
@@Kitiwake No sir.
Except for the Russian Orthodox church, Orthodoxy does not claim to have the exclusive truth and a Pope all must acknowledge as supreme.
@@albertaowusu1790 Spoken like a true cult follower.
I get the same reaction from Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons when I tell them their One True Church is flawed.
LOL. Prideful much? Ok, the spotless bride of Christ is flawed. Makes total sense.
Vatican II is not a Dogmatic Council, but a Pastoral Council. Don't kill the messenger, blame Pope John XXIII.
Vatican II was the Will of God. Since then the Church has grown from 600million to 1,400million in 2023.
In the USA you have Roman Catholic in soft and protestant and in fact idealistic and fictional version. Come here, to Poland, to 95% catholic country. And look how it works (or rather doesn't work) in full scale mode. Within Totus Tuus JP2 People. With strong counterreformation and Marian history. I think Poland is nominal christian country. Because of Catholicism. Very important and sometimes essential aspect of conversion and born again - here - is to leave Roman Catholic Church. I wrote this as a ex-RC (25 years ago), now independent bible believer.
@po18guy where you have personal Christ in the morphe of physical bread/wine in the New Testament?
Beaumont has repeatedly lied about Protestantism. I've done a few videos on his lies. He's not trustworthy, as he's literally admitted to me in email that he's playing word games (for instance: redefining "Real Presence" to mean ONLY Transubstantiation).
He's a bad, dishonest voice.
For those interested, here is what I actually said that you reported as dishonesty and word games. I'll let the readers decide who the liar is:
"By 'symbolic' I simply meant 'non/sub-literal.' All Protestant versions of communion involve non/sub-literal interpretations of 'this IS my body / blood,' thus they are 'symbolic' in that sense. Yes, many Protestant denominations try to avoid this conclusion (rather than embrace it, as the Baptists do) with theological weasel words like 'heavenly' / 'spiritual' / 'under' / 'with' / 'near' / 'present' / 'witnesses' / 'signs' / etc., but these don't really cut it. In the end, the bread and wine (which are the things eaten) remain bread and wine."
@@DouglasBeaumont yes: that's a dishonest representation of our theology. What systematic theologians define the debate in that way? Name them.
@@barelyprotestant5365 , Dishonest representation of Protestant theology? How many theologies do Protestants have about "This is my body"? Protestants quite often mis-represent the Catholic (one) theology about Eucharist. the pot calling the kettle black .
Douglas B eaumont has never ever presented a dishonest representation of "Protestant theology". Could you please tell us what is the "honest representation" of Protestant theology about the multiple Protestant interpretations of "this IS my body"?
@@Alfredo8059 it's quite simple: if I said, "All Christians reject that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist", that would be a misrepresentation. Doug has done exactly that. Doug has claimed that ALL PROTESTANTS reject that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist, when that is simply not true.
@@barelyprotestant5365 , please quote Doug. Otherwise it is you who are mis-representing Doug's opinion. What Doug really said is
: "By 'symbolic' I simply meant 'non/sub-literal.' All Protestant versions of communion involve non/sub-literal interpretations of 'this IS my body / blood,' thus they are 'symbolic' in that sense. Yes, many Protestant denominations try to avoid this conclusion (rather than embrace it, as the Baptists do) with theological weasel words like 'heavenly' / 'spiritual' / 'under' / 'with' / 'near' / 'present' / 'witnesses' / 'signs' / etc., but these don't really cut it. In the end, the bread and wine (which are the things eaten) remain bread and wine."
Remember, Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christians worship Eucharist because we do believe Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist. Do you worship the Eucahrist? Please, let me know of one Protestant who worships the Eucharist.
All Christianity is idolatry.
So, Jesus prayed not to be crucified and for the church to be whole, apparently, God doesn't even answer his own prayers! Now I don't feel so slighted
@po18guy Your big spirit in the sky isn't the real, which would mean Mr. Jebus did not have any "divine" nature, correct?
@po18guy I am not exactly sure what you are referring to? I am stating a fact, drawn directly from your Bible. How would you define that as hate speech or bullying?? Condoning slavery, condemning homosexuality, ordering genocides, committing genocide??? I'm pretty sure that would not be following TH-cams guidelines, but would you care to try again? When your religion is used as a political tool to take peoples rights away, you have no business talking about hate and bullying!
@po18guy So did Material Girl, your point?