What the NEWS ISN'T TELLING YOU about MICHIGAN DEER HUNTING! | NRC Meeting Recap July 2024
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- On July 11th 2024 representatives from the NRC (National Resources Commission) met in Lansing to make critical decisions on the future of deer hunting and habitat in the state of Michigan. Join us as we take you behind the scenes to see just how these important decisions are made, and what hunting will look like this year and beyond.
Pure Michigan at its finest. Let’s spend hours, days, weeks, and months discussing with absolutely zero progress.
@Nvenus27 Ben thinking about going straight to court skipping their appeal process altogether yep
@@doitdonaldtrump was hoping to see a antlerless Urban Archery season voted on for Alma and similar areas.
That's the Democratic way!
Yup typical
Hey listen. They did at least one good thing and open state land to the late antlerless season.
What a shit show. This is what happens when you involve government in anything. Government needs to stay out of the way. Since I was a kid I've watched the hunting across the board get worse and worse. I haven't seen a pheasant in mi in over 20 years. The dnr has screwed everything up that they touched.
I've been hunting all zones multiple areas since 79 as young kid. It started down hill in mid 90s.
Camp in U.P. is a shadow of its former self. Still deer but would say 1/4 of what we used to have. The U.P. is a predation issue primarily wolves.
Northern lowers has pockets of no deer too fair amounts in some areas.
Zone 3 has heavy populations in some areas too fair amounts in other areas. Zone 3 is a private land access issue.
The reason you haven't seen a pheasant is due to big AG and monoculture. Pheasants and upland birds do not thrive in corn/bean fields.
I see pheasants regularly in Midland, Isabella, Clare and especially Gratiot County. I drive truck locally so I'm out and about alot but I do see them several times a year. Not like I'd like to but those days are gone.
AMEN to that, Salmon runs suck, smelt are about extinct. But theres always some concrete cowboy in a green uniform snooping around. The increase in licensing goes to payroll not into wildlife programs.
@@TeamJumboRemember when DDT nearly wiped out Bald Eagles?
They intentionally let this happen, they have no plan to improve our hunting. This is communist style gun control. If there is no game, there is no need to have a firearm.
This looked like a meeting where everything was already decided before the meeting started
Of course it is. That’s our entire tyrannical government. They own the outdoors supposedly on everyone’s behalf
In government, that’s called a meeting for public input.
Antlerless harvest should be more prevalent down state and ag areas. Northern Michigan does not have the deer heard numbers to sustain the 10 doe tags a per person per year.
Dnr work for car insurance companies. This is why they want to eliminate the deer herd . State farm lobbying
The problem for doe tags is this. Too many deer on private land and not enough on State land even in the southern counties. It's just completely mismanaged from the top down.
The Northern lower should have a 4 deer max for everyone. Including indigenous. Or give the overall tribe an extra batch of permits instead of allowing natives to harvest as many as they do.
@@ML-ks2lj apparently you missed the point about the dnr selling more tags than they have deer alive. I find deer. Some places I find lots. Some not so many. That's another point. Dnr manage with a broad brush when the habitat varies greatly along with relative deer density
They look as confused as we all are every year that they make changes to regulations.
These people don’t even hunt no wonder there is so much confusion and nothing gets done…
Be careful what you wish for on antler restrictions.
Thanks for posting at least now we know why everything is so fd up when it comes to the management of our natural resources.
I understand why our dnr is a mess😂😂😂😂😂
Most of the deer here in NE Michigan are in camps or on farms. Years ago, when we could bait, there were deer on state land. Being we cannot bait, there's no deer anymore. They go to the hunt clubs that have food plots and the farmers' fields...... Plus, all these early seasons just make the deer turn "smart" earlier. And the DNR cannot figure out why license sales are dropping year over year!
I’m from the UP and hunted for 50 yrs! Could bait as much as wanted and were as many deer in the late 80s as wanted to see! Now the 2 gallon limit and DNR restricting feeding and how much is a joke! Can grow beet fields and potatoes an corn and fields full of alfalfa can hunt there but but take that same food and have 5-10 gallons an receive a ticket! The Earn a Buck will never Work in the Eastern UP we don’t have enough deer! More Fkn Bear now than in 80s and when takes 12-15 yrs at 5 dollars a yr that’s not Guna change an is a money making joke! Get rid of the Wolves the Deer will Thrive again.
1.Lower the price of hunting license
2. Reinstate baiting
3. Stop using the Internet tagging system
And get rid of the base license BS
@@notdamomma That's the 1# Thing they could have done to help
The deer check system is very easy. If you don't have service, you probably will within the time.
@@Dissident_Porcupine73 that's not true because you have to add the location and answer a bunch of questions and a lot of it you have to have data on your phone to do and you can't butcher it without the code number they give you, compared to the way they used to do it used to buy the tag tag your dear and take it to the butcher and give the tag to them it was simple
These people could not plan a baby shower.
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We have a lot of deer here in south Michigan they give out block permits and pay out crop damage but those areas have no access for hunters it is private and the landowners will not give permission to hunt but they take the block permits and cash
They should make farmers, who want block permits, open their land to public hunters. Otherwise, no block permits. That might solve a of issues.
Problem is many of us have been managing our deer for years, we have an 8pt rule and take does as well. We feel that there is a balance in the area with cooperation from other properties. There are areas that we never step foot in such as bedding areas that serve as sanctuary. If strangers are allowed to come harvest the fruits of our labor it could all be upset. We see what public access areas for hunting and fishing look like with garbage and beer cans and the occasional tire laying around and we don’t want that. The crops are our livelihood and we treat them like a garden and don’t want the risk of being shot while walking through tall corn inspecting it or it being damaged. Also farmers pay taxes on THEIR land so why would they be obligated to let others use it?
Most farmers are farming the land of others. They don't have the right to manage herds on land they do not own.
A farmer farms our 40 acres. No stranger is ever stepping foot on my land to fill tags. It's private property, they cannot force that.that. I also don't let the farmer get permits for my land.
@@blauer2551I do understand about the slobs and property damage but if the farmer who owns the land that he farms will not let hunters have access then stop complaining about crop damage and expecting compensation from the state.
@@User-nx7rs Who’s complaining, I thought it was you? We take care of the deer ourselves, just with friends and family. They were coming out 100’ behind the planter while were doing soybeans this year. You’re a fool if you don’t take advantage of legal tax breaks.
Stop patronizing McDonald's!. Largest corporation donater to HSUS.
By the way this is my first video of your's that I watched. I love the format. Keep up the good work. You are already better than M.O.D. any many other michigan based outdoor shows.
Huge compliment thanks!
Great video. Thank you for this. You'd think with serious changes like taking away buck opportunities from the youth hunt, they'd make an effort to have a clear vote to get things right. As a Michigan hunter with two young kids, this was so discouraging to watch.
Dnr work for car insurance companies. Change my mind
Does it really matter 🙄
Great video! I liked the Vlog style that you guys did. But the information was great and I appreciate the summary at the end. Seems like the NRC needs to take a mandatory Roberts rules of order class so they can figure out how they’re actually voting on things properly.
You’re not wrong, it needs to be simplified!
Great video, the bureaucrats that make these decisions that sit on these types of boards is just nuts to me. Who are these people making the decisions to the rules we have to follow each year we go hunting and fishing? I subscribed and look forward to your future content. Thanks for sharing!
Ted Nugent should be there. Lets these clown bureaucrats know whats up
Where did Nugent get his degree in wildlife biology?
I think it's the same group in charge of fixing the roads.
Well, there's a lot more money in roads. This is more pure politics. I don't mean pure as in clean.
If you want restrictions buy your own land and manage it. Stop using legislation to take opportunity from others.
I live in the keewenaw peninsula, over the last 5 years or so the heard has been dramatically decreased thanks to the wolf population. Many of us are furious of the dnr decision to plant the wolf here. If the southern Michigan doe population is to high why not relocate some does here, if they can plant a wolf they can plant a deer!!!!!!!!!!!!
LP deer wouldnt survive near as well as UP deer. Lived in LP my childhood and Houghton in the kewenew for college, I even noticed their leg length difference due to more snow, this with the increasing wolf populations is an issue. Would have argued mountain lions as a better alt due to the smaller numbers and usually only grab one here and there. Only issue is attacks on people are more common.
Just wait until the wolves get into the elk herd. Wolves will limit calf recruitment to 2percent just like in the western states. That’s a fact and it WILL HAPPEN IN MICHIGAN. Then, you can kiss elk hunting goodbye. Thats the endgame and was freely admitted to in Montana. 😢
Bison, big cat and dinosaur previously roamed around here as well. Lets reintroduced them and others
Is there any evidence as to why baiting in bad? I can't seem to find any information to help clarify the law and why it is still enforced? Please help
Thank you for covering this meeting. I’ve only hunted Mich in my life. I’ve always felt a complete disconnect w the DNR as per the rules a nd regs. Even going so far as to try and ask a DNR officer at a event is it okay to fish at this creek. He had to point to three different pages in the book (from hell) and I walked away more confused w the thought. If they want to give me a ticket they’ll find something and it is all by design. Even the members in that meeting were confused.
Thanks for taking the time...
Thanks for recording and providing this information to us. I wonder why acronyms are not defined in the meeting. Guess they can just rattle off a bunch of letters and we're suppose to know what they're talking about??? Appreciate your willingness to get more plugged in to the process. Guess I'll need to do the same. That was a pitiful ineffective meeting, which may be just the way they wanted it.
There are some great podcasts with GOHUNT. They talk about things like APR and the positives and negatives. On negative that I found interesting for mule deer with four point restrictions was that the were leaving poor genetic deer walk and breed due to APR and it resulted in a poor outcome against the goal. Also Michigan needs to study other states results instead of just their own biased studies.
Great point.
I am 67. Health Dwindling. I hunt Antlers. I will never abide by a "earn a buck". That would lengthen my hunt...I haven't the stamina or energy or desire to kill a "meassily" doe. I do not eat much meat as I eat a cardiac diet and live alone.
DO NOT TREAD ON ME.
To shoot anything in my "spot" would taint my spot...unless it is a trophy buck---that I desire...Then...I am done...If you want me to shoot a doe...and "leave it lie" ( awful). I can. But I WILL NOT kill something that I can't possibly eat...I barely eat my "trophy deer"...I often go 2 or 3 years without bagging anything---because of my Selection Process.
AGAIN---Do Not Tread On Me..
P.S., soon I will retire from deer hunting---Dont Rush me, with your "Parliamentary Bullshit".
You're not a hunter, just an angry narsacist that likes to gloat.
@@screaminseaman6121 ooh...You scare me..."agent".
I moved to Southwest Michigan in January from western North Carolina. In my area, I could only shoot 1 doe, an d could only do so on one specific day. In addition we could shoot 5 bucks. I moved to Van Buren county and I’m amazed at the amount of doe’s here and a limit of 10 on the hunting licenses.
Thank you for doing research, and thank you for voting. I am glad you worked to understand the issue for yourself to then evaluate possible solutions.
Thanks for going to this meeting, i would love to go to one of these in the future. The dnr gets a bad name because of the NRC
It was like watching one of bidin speach no one knows what was going on
I love tuna at Subway! 😂 Thanks for your take on this meeting.
It’s pretty easy to see what the issue is. We have grandparents making rules for the kids and the kids don’t like it. We have people stuck in the 70’s and 80’s making regulations in 2024. Thank you for taking the time to cover this👍.
Looked like a typical bureaucrat cluster f__k. I'm in lower part of zone 3, 5 miles north of the state line. We are very overpopulated with does. I take both for myself and donate to family's who like to eat the meat, but don't have any way to get access to hunt. I do limit my harvest to well under the current regulations.
They are pushing more hunters out of the sport than every.
Dude thanks for showing us how it went.👍🏼
Wish you would have given us a heads up on this, I would have attended... The "board" seemed very unorganized to say the least. It doesn't sound like they did anything except forcing the kids to quit shooting bucks, maybe causing less interest for the youth.
It was a very confusing process, it seemed like it has lots of room for growth.
@@paintedarrowoutdoors I would love to speak with you guys about some of this, would you happen to have an E-mail?
@@charlie21gunner87if you search our company “painted arrow” online, there is a contact tab on our website where you can get in touch with the guys.
@@paintedarrowoutdoors Shot you an e-mail, I"ll give you my cell if that would help.
In some states you are issued tags specifically for antlered or antlerless deer.
Glad to see the younger people getting involved in the hunting sport.
I'd like to see point restriction too. In my little area a bunch of neighbors and I are doing that already. And I'd like to see a reintroduction of grayling which I think I seen somewhere they were talking about that and a bigger size limit for brookies. I've called my local DNR branch and asked them and they declined. Like who's going to eat an 8" trout. Maybe if ya where starving.
What a let down on APR’s and one buck. If they want to boost hunter numbers, why not try to improve age class. Michigan could easily be a destination state and pull in more hunters.
What a cluster@#$%! 😄
Thanks for sharing 👍
Oh great great work on your video glad to see the young generation actually trying to care might be only 2 of you but hey it's a start
Seems like a cluster frik over there. Now I see how the decisions are made. Lorries. Thanks for the video
It would appear to get the committee to properly manage the deer herd in Michigan talking to the commissioners directly way months prior to the voting meeting would be a good use of time.
They wasted all this time asking people for input just to do what they wanted to do in the first place. They don't care at all what the people who actually buy the licenses have to say!!! Our DNR is nothing but a clown show!!!
Ever hear of "smoke and mirrors"?
Would we have the Surplus Deer 🦌 problem if the Youth hunt was initially Does only ? Plus all other extra Hunts !
We don't have a say. Instead of a few old people deciding on our hunting regulations we should have a hunter vote. Just makes more sense
My Brain hurts after watching that Council Meeting.
Keep your southern michigan problems in southern michigan
In Waterloo state recreation area they made a bike trail called the DTE energy bike trail. People on mountain bikes riding around the trail while im in a tree stand on opening day November 15. Emailed and called the DNR informing them and asking if they can close that trail in Novemeber for the hunting season but they tell me that bikers have a right to ride there bikes on the trail just like we have a right to hunt.
What a shit show! Wow! Is that how states make the game laws????? Omg! Wtf
Earn a buck program would help on that second buck. Not sure how many michigan hunters go for that second buck but if they could get the state to a one buck state and still do the earn a buck program, that would definitely help. If they would ever go to a one buck state, i dont think you would even have to do apr's. I think just doing that would help a lot. Also the overpopulation of deer could in part have something to do with the bait ban from a few years ago. Its like Ted Nugent said, banning bait is chasing people away from the sport. A big percentage of the hunters use bait for their tactics in michigan. I am not that much into baiting but that could have something to do with some of the overpopulation
I agree with a lot of what you said, I would think if we went to a one buck tag period, get rid of antler point restrictions, and use the other tag to shoot a doe. I’m not the biggest fan of baiting, but believes it keeps more people hunting because they actually see deer, especially the youth. It also seems to me the deer have evolved over the years to know corn, apples , carrots and sugar beets don’t magically fall from the sky in the middle of the forest, as they look for people perched in the trees. If they were lucky enough to escape their first near death experience, they soon learn it is only safe to feed on these treats at night. The extra doe tags should only be given where there are excess of them, not just general tags to use anywhere. It’s so hard to keep everyone happy, but what is best for the deer herd, not our self centered motives? The bottom line is, if hunters don’t see deer while they are hunting, many will give it up or go hunt in other states.
@@Bobsbowshop well said
Baiting might help in northern lower and up, but seriously lower Michigan just go sit anywhere near a field and spend a day driving around to pattern. It's not difficult
Parliamentary procedures can be confusing if one does not have a basic understanding of how things work. Understanding them would have helped you decipher what was transpiring.
If you’re restricted to State land only hunting in SW Michigan where are you seeing all these does ! I for one would like to know I’m lucky if I see 5 deer all season!!! Your politics have pretty much destroyed State Land hunting with almost unlimited doe permits!!!!
I’m with you, early 2000s there were deer all over public land but there was also a lot more public land to hunt as well here in SW Michigan. With less Public Land it is being over crowded by hunters. I tend to hunt public land during middle of the week now and see more deer because of less hunters during that time.
I agree I would like to see a 1 buck a year tag or maybe an earn a buck program.
One buck absolutely, earn a buck no way, all that would do is turn 99% of hunters into outlaws. No one is gonna watch the biggest buck they've ever had a chance at walk because they haven't shot a doe yet
To many regulations that is why I quit hurting
Righttttttt
Rich man's sport now days. That why I quit and my kids. Sad but true 👍
All in deer management.. Has to be by county.. I have 60 acre swamp agg two sides of it.. I dnt have that many does.. Maybe 6 doe few fawns couple descent bucks.. Just dont think its thats many.. ????
Apr and a one buck state would help a lot. I also think cheaper doe tags would be better if they want to control the population
I am not sure they even know what they are talking about. I don't think they are outdoorsmen. So sad we are better than that.
2023 March shut down hunting on township property in ionia township over 100 yrs of open to hunt there meetings are hostile no compliance with act 356 foia Michigan 2023
Next meeting public invited 8/ 6/24 and the ship show continues
Wouldn't you figure out the township clerk son just purchased land adjoining east end of said property? I am trying to foia communication between both east end properties that were purchased in the last 2 years
Denial Denial and expect another denial next meeting I will prevail in court for the court must ask if the CORE of the investigation is these communications and in all but limited circumstances the government accountability prevails an individuals expectations of privacy gotm buy the balls its only a matter of time next stop court 2 maybe 3 appeals and I will get their communications
Can we bait or no
From what I understood, no. But I would confirm with the final summary once it is released in the coming days weeks.
I know one thing, that guy isn't lying about the flies and mosquitoes. I've been out mushroom hunting a bit and keep getting bites with 100% DEET on. The moisture is good for mushrooms too though. I found almost a pound of cinnabar chanterelles the other day.
W W I D new Michigan deer hunters shirt. What would Iowa do.
Dump the dnr and panel. Citizens should create their own panel and should make the rules. Better yet stop buying licenses. God gives you permission to harvest animals for consumption. Not the corrupt state of.
The DNR IS RUNNING OUT OF MONEY AND HUNTERS. you reap what you sow. VERY SAD !! 😢
Just found your channel awesome
I have a neighbor who feeds deer/turkeys and hates that im a hunter i still want someone to convince me that baiting deer spreads cwd but feeding them does not when they group up naturally when they feed
Me personally I got private land in michigan and we only shoot 6 points or up bucks
Don't fast forward while they're talking. I'd really like to listen to the whole thing. Maybe do an unedited video.
Just my opinion, nobody else has to agree -
We need to eliminate the buck tag for gun season, that allows shooting ANY size buck. Far too many buttons and spikes are taken every year, because you can take the stance as "If it's brown it's down". Evey year in the area I hunt, the DNR check station is filled with spike after spike, yet if you bought a combo license, you're restricted from taking a spike on the least restrictive tag.
As someone else mentioned, the public land is lacking in any deer, because the farms, private land and hunt clubs are feeding year-round. That creates the scenario of overcrowded(people) public land, that has less and less deer every year. The last 6 years I've gotten zero harvests, not what the years prior to that I had. That leads to people giving up on hunting, which means less sales every year.
Part of the deer population problem is that people have nowhere to hunt without having to pay for the privilege to try.
Everybody heads their own opinion how to hunt.Everybody hunts differently if they ever give me a point restriction.I will quit hunting completely I'm out there trying to get some meat for the freezer. Not just for bone to hang on the wall. When you shoot a deer just because he's got a large rack. You are disrespecting the white-tailed deer.
No actual hunters on the committee
If ted nugent wasn't at the meeting it really wasn’t a meeting worthwhile
You keep your aprs right in your pocket and they did the poor kids wrong all so trophy hunters can have a chance at a buck f right off leave the kids alone
Correct
Real hunters don’t care but your stupid point restrictions. That’s not what real hunting is about.
Would be great if they'd change the Firearm season from November 15-30 to the 2nd Saturday of November to November 30 or for 15 days.
Iv been saying that for years. Open the season on the weekend when folks have the day off from work. Far to simple for the government to understand i guess.
i would respectfully disagree, if you're serious hunter you will save vacation time for whatever day the opener is. by making it open on a Saturday, I have noticed we have more BEER hunters around than mid-week!
@@yooperrd651 Many,if not most people dont have the luxury of paid vacation like you apparently do. I doubt if you really know what a "serious" deer hunter is,but here is one characteristic......he or she doesnt need the state or anyone else to dictate exactly how they go about it. Bottom line: dose the state really want to reduce the deer heard,or just find more ways to regulate everyone into oblivion?
@@danielslocum7169 your statement leaves me to believe that you don't have a clue what a serious hunter is! how many hours a year do you spend hunting? probably the first 3 days of firearms season. lol
@@yooperrd651 Believe whatever you want mr serious hunter legend in your own mind.
you should make the hunting season like 29 years ago but make it loto for buck tags
Oh, forgot to say I'm not a millennial. I'm 63 years old. I've been around the block a few times so and the older guys and me. They don't want a little more too than I do. You might want to start talking to some of us old critters.
Here’s the #1 problem, people became programmed by the big companies selling their products, and tell you you can grow bucks just like inside of the their high fence that they’re hiding when harvesting of their big advertisement bucks all so they can sell their products.
Michigan has had huge deer population problems and Yearly put the adequate licenses for hunters to take these problem dear because as hunters it is also our responsibility as hunter’s in helping the state manage their/our deer herd and it’s the state’s decision on how that is done and to start it’s not done by Restricting harvests on what’s on a Deers head. 🤷♂️
As I said it up to Us to do what’s right so the state can manage its heard “properly.”
But for some reason over the last 20 years people able to hunt private land wether Through friendly permission or threw a friend/family or now leasing are all wanting to practice growing their own deer to grow their own monster buck? but these deer were already here and were already a problem so now because of these new practices because some company tells you their product will help you grow big deer, but you can’t grow big deer if you shoot doe’s or younger buck? You know like they have to manage their high fence areas where they shoot their videos so to sell their products.
Most hunter’s in Michigan do not own the land they hunt but again for some reason they manage it like they do. 🤷♂️
And I can tell you for a fact the reason why I have most of my private property hunting ground is because the farmers needed the deer gone “not grown” because of the extreme crop damage that was caused and the money lost in their pocket, and Then there’s the millions caused in damages from vehicle deer collisions yearly.
So like I said, it’s our responsibility to help the state manage its heard then it will help the farmers and also bring down insurance costs cause of all of the money lost in deer vehicle collisions.
Hunters who don’t harvest and who only want to build a personal herd but bigger than what he already received only in a attempt to only grow a so-called trophy buck just for his wall isn’t How a real hunter should be because as we’re seeing now these practices are only a thorn in the side of real deer management practices.
These type of hunters are only creating a problem with their miss management practices because it’s obvious that So many have no idea about what carrying capacity is And how detrimental it can be to an area and to that animal If brought above way above it’s natural carrying capacity.
But also like I was saying most of these hunters who are on private land don’t own the land and They shouldn’t be allowed to manage it to create a bigger deer herd then only to harvest what’s on a bucks head when And only when the Hunter feels it’s the right time to harvest his so-called trophy, (You know because of his food plots and everything so it his buck), but the 50 extra Doe’s that was born and has grown in his/her 6 years of obtaining permission but refuses to harvest them over his food plot he provided for them because he choose just to shoot a buck “his special buck” but while he waits those doe’s are now destroying the natural vegetation and all the surrounding farmers crops Because of this extreme small property Miss-management plan
But then if his “non-target dear jumps the fence from his 40 acre hunting area onto the neighbors and the neighbor shoots his growing trophy is where The new arising problem in our hunter community occurs. 🤔😡
many of these ( Buck only growers) feel it’s fair to scream at badger or bully another hunter who shoots a smaller buck or heaven Forbid a smaller buck that they have 2 pictures of and already “NAMED” to put on their “HIT LIST” for their next year small spot I hope he comes back to harvest.
List just Like any hunter I love shooting a big buck but I don’t always have to shoot a big buck I love eating deer and so does my family, so we do our part when it comes to harvesting and the farmer is no longer having massive crop damage from deer so me and my kids are welcome every year and if a big buck comes by that’s a bonus and that’s what makes it exciting.
The deer hunting community needs to make some big changes on how they go about hunting because the sport isn’t just about what’s on the deer’s head, it’s about the hunt, The camaraderie with others the deer camps and bringing the youth into it so this tradition carries on.
The outdoor lifestyle was never about trophy hunting it was about providing food for the family and table enough food that will make it through the year and the gathering with family and friends for the hunts.
These companies have turned a tradition into a bank roll for their pockets and our tradition is trying to turn into a rich man trophy sport only and that’s wrong so if things don’t change for the better or everybody counts and where everyone does their part then the state will have to do even more drastic measures they already have done in certain areas and bring in private shooters and they will thin the herd dramatically and I don’t wanna see that.
DNR need to have a license on hunting wolfs to. Besides deer. They need to have a 1 license for buck and 2 or 3 does...
Nice racks are fine and majestic, but I don't eat the antlers. It's all about the meat for me. Any legal buck is appreciated freezer fare.
Old, tired, confused, and stubborn. That's what we have here in MI. It's why I go to Illinois. Did they approve drone use?
Lowering the deer herd just bring in some wolves they will get rid of your deer worked awesome in the UP we hardly see any deer except in town
Get the public involved to go to the meetings
We are working on another video that has a call to action. We missed the boat in this video on that part
Oh we don’t want no restrictions at all guy, I’m gonna order the handbook newest edition and study up on it.😎🤓 They need to brush up hunter’s safety that’s alls im sayin.
In Michigan the DNR said we have to register any deer taken during hunting season 2 years ago. The DNR is supposed to manage the deer herd. Knowing how many deer were shot in no way shows how many deer were left. Just another way to control hunters by the anti-hunters.
Big reason we moved outta michigan the government and dnr
Personally all my desires for Michigan are summed up by more access down south. Open it all up way more. Limit buck take increase doe take. Limit all take in North lower peninsula. One buck. One doe. Earn your buck. Apr everywhere.
Is that tongue and groove cedar?
Yep!
@@paintedarrowoutdoors looks good ! U just leave it unstained or treated? I like that raw look
You talk about antler point restrictions, one buck seasons, or earned buck tags to manage the herd. I've been hunting in Michigan for the last 25 years and I can tell you first hand accounts of the DNR taking 4 wheelers to run whole herds of deer into a kill zone where other DNR officers with automatic rifles destroyed the whole herd and then buried them. You want to talk about restrictions on the hunter but not reigning in the miss management and holding accountable the agencies in charge. Many of the hunters I know substance hunt and don't care about antlers taking doe more than anything else. So how about instead of just eliminating whole herds and destroying the carcasses. Open up more reduced cost or free doe tags and allow the animals to go to a good use, but no can't do that the government wouldn't make a profit. For them it's dollars over anything else.
Also the motorized vehicle restrictions on public lands was supposed to have a 10 year sunset, but the DNR learned they can make more money by selling the lumber if they get rid of the manicured trails.
I don't think there is a blanket policy that is going to "fix" things. I hunt public lands in the Northeast Lower and there is no shortage of deer in my area. We also have a huge number of does. Some of them have not had a fawn with them in years. They are not contributing to the population by reproducing and are a drain on the resources. I try to take them out of the picture whenever I can. While I am not a big proponent of APR's for various reasons, I would love to see a return of the "No Spike Rule" rule here. It makes me sick to see all these 2 and 3 year old bucks slaughtered wholesale while we have does that need to be taken. I let at least 1 or 2 of these young bucks go every year. All to often shortly after one comes through my stand I hear a shot from the direction he went and I know with a fair degree of certainty that someone just killed him. Sometimes I even see them being loaded along the road. It boggles the mind. Then these same people will talk about how they killed the tiny spike because it was the only buck they had seen. I wonder why that is?...smh
What I could propose with piss a lot of people off but it would work. You would have to hunt in the zone where you live year-round. No using the excuse just because you have property up north in the up or in the upper lower doesn't qualify you if you live in the southern lower. And the only reason this is being discussed is because the auto insurance companies and the farmers are crying about damage caused by the deer. If the farmers that have private land with all these Farms would let the hunters access it without charging them an excessive amount of money because they're being greedy we wouldn't have an excessive amount of does in the southern half of the lower peninsula.
The issue isn’t apr or earn a buck. It’s that hunters want trophies. You’re in that problem. The state allows every hunter to take 12 deer, up to 12 of them being does. That isn’t enough to get people to shoot does. You’re trying to force hunters into what they don’t want so you have a hope of a bigger trophy. Unless you shot 12 does last year in effort to balance the heard, all I’m hearing is “I don’t want to put effort to make things better, I want to regulate others into doing what I don’t want to do”.
Get your own property and manage it you don’t have to manage the whole state
Year's a go it used to be one buck per season for firearm. You had to sign up to get a chance for a doe tag. With the ever disappearing farms limiting deer habitat. We find ourselves where we have been now for several year's and that is the DNR saying we have an over population of deer so the DNR made it so we can kill a deer a day. All we had to do was buy another license.
The DNR could pass a rule to limit buck's taken to three year's old or more but most people have no way of knowing how to accurately tell how old a deer is. You can't go by antler size because of bad genetics a three year old deer can still grow a small wrack. A lot of button buck's get mistaken for a doe by hunter's. So even if the DNR limit buck's to 6 points or more to be legal there will still be a lot of young buck's taken.
If you want a trophy size whitetail deer mount you are going to have to save for a private land guided hunt and they don't come cheap.
Antler restrictions….. I have a 5 1/2 year old 126” 6pt on my wall that I would have had to let walk. The 1 Buck rule seems more reasonable for everyone.