Cosmo and Wanda: A Couple in Decline
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You know what I love more than the Fairly OddParents? Complaining about the Fairly OddParents! Today I'm discussing the characters of Cosmo and Wanda and how much they declined over the course of the series, here is Cosmo and Wanda: A Couple in Decline
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mark is a better wife than wanda prove me wrong
U could say the whole show was in decline
Did you bring up Oaxis in the interview ?
Mark watch venture bro’s you won’t regret it it’s a great show with a lot of heart ❤️ but it’s kinda hard to get into
Cosmo's voice went from buttery smooth to breaking eardrums throughout the years. I remember how they used to be "two halves of a whole idiot" in a good way. They worked off each other so well. It baffles me how the writers thought ruining the dynamic is comedy gold.
I disagree I prefer their later versions. I'm just more used to them. To me, they were always like this and your shouldn't count 5 minutes of a pilot.
@José Lucas Nah I like Wanda being seen as the makes it makes them more distinct from one another. Also, Wanda is called a nag for having common sense. LOL, Some people in this thread say Cosmo and Wanda hate each other. No, they don't those are just jokes. I feel like people take jokes too seriously. Also, some of my favorite episodes came from the later seasons.
“I hate my wife” jokes arent funny though
@@elizabethwarren146 Not since "Married With Children" at least.
@@elizabethwarren146 Some times they can be. I guess the internet prefers more random humor like pickle rick.
You know, in hindsight, Anti-Cosmo and Anti-Wanda (more so Anti-Cosmo) felt more aligned to how the pilot portrayed the original character albeit with some exaggerated trait of their own.
When you realize doppelgangers have better character than who they're doppelgangers of.
That's because the anti-fairies are the opposite of the regular fairies, and what's the opposite of bad characters? good characters!
Yeah, Cosmo was and sounded more Sophisticated while Wanda was a bit Ditzy
How ironic that the laziest characters in conception turned into the best written
Yeah, and now we know why they were discarded completely once Foop Showed up.
The slow decline from 'Newly Weds obsessed with eachother' to 'Bickering Couples who basically hate eachother' is almost kind of depressing when you look at the full show
Is it fair to call them “newly weds”? Weren’t they canonically married for millions of years before being Timmy’s god parents?
@@pepearown4968 Almost tens of thousands of years, but yeah it still applies. Also to be fair, he did say, "seem like newlyweds."
@@pepearown4968they act like newly weds
Almost makes it seem Timmy ruined their relationship... Damn.
Honestly I really want the trope is switched around, from a couple who can't stand each other to a couple who can't stop obsessing over each other
"Who are you?"
"I'm an animated sitcom in which the husband went from a lovable oaf who cared about his wife more than anything to a complete jerkbutt idiot and the wife went from a fun-loving but cautious and relatable woman to a huge fun-hating nag."
"Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"
I would say Family Guy but Peter was always a jerk. That's not accurate about the Simpsons. Homer is mostly a jerk to Flanders. Rarely to his family members except for Strangling Bart.
@@icecreamhero2375 Flanders is basically Dinkleberg
@@alchemistofsteel8099 The og dinkleberg
@@icecreamhero2375 Peter was nicer at first
The pilot truly shown how cosmo and Wandas relationship should’ve worked
@I JUST NEED 285 SUBS I’m gonna report you
I’ve been hearted1!1!1!
Cosmo and Wanda are very mean grumpy to each other in Seasons 6-10 tbh
@@SofiaPreCure yeah
@The Real Princess Daddy what?
Another weird example of this that disappointed me was Juandissimo - originally Wanda found him overbearing and was embarrassed to admit he was her ex-boyfriend, preferring Cosmo instead but eventually she began to lust after him and stuff and that always bothered me because I loved the adorable relationship she had with Cosmo.
I always assumed it was Wandissimo, as in a wand
@@SuperNuclearUnicorn It is a clever pun, so it works either way.
@@SuperNuclearUnicornNGL i always assumed the same bc of wanda
At this rate. I guess the pure ultimate torture for LSMark is ranking all Fairly Odd Parents' episodes until his death
Yes
I don’t wanna force him to do it but I am genuinely curious to at least know what his top and bottom ten are
Is it somehow still going?
Viacom would probably nuke that video within a week of it being uploaded.
@@llewelynshingler2173 FOP ended in 2017
"I'm not bright. Big words confuse me. I have the attention span of a rodent. But Wanda loves me anyway. And that should be enough for you!" -Cosmo back when loved his wife
He always loved his spouse. Wanda on the other hand, not so much.
@@BluePhoenix559 i guess you didn’t pay attention to this video. Cosmo is a big idiot and treats his wife like she just crawled out of his nightmares. Wanda is a nag and parents her husband too much. They bring out the worst in each other and pinning the blame on one person isn’t going to help
I find it incredibly sad to see two characters who loved eachother and served as positive role models for our protagonist turn into a loveless marriage full of bickering and spite. In a way, it reflects how a lot of relationships turn out, though I highly doubt the show was intending to do that
True. I do find it sad that is how most marriages turn out.
Boomer “I hate my partner” writers strike again
Loveless might be too string. I think its how siblings sometimes bicker but still love each other.
@@icecreamhero2375 bro, I saw you tryin to defend yourself in the dumbest way. Its literally _obvious_ that they despise each other, but not in the sibling way.
@@Space_Cowboy.22. even though I disagree with the guy you're talking about, he still has a right to his opinion, and he's not "obviously wrong" for expressing how he feels about modern cosmo and wanda
A New Wish actually fixes all this. They're back to being super cute sweethearts in the new series. I love it when you can tell someone married their best friend and it's no doubt that what they're supposed to be.
cosmo also got 95% percent of his brain damage removed and replaced with silly funniness.
I think what Cosmo said in “Power Mad” perfectly sums up the peak of their relationship: “We’re two halves of a whole idiot!”
Which makes sense since they are indeed married
I'm hella stoked for that interview with butch, I'm really curious how that went down
It’s the funny triggered Nintendo man
omg its that guy from the nintendo fandom
@@eternalindifference3483 Don't respond to them, just report them and move on. Giving them attention is what they want.
its the pink gold peach man
I haven't watched that Nathaniel Bandy man in a while lol I forgot his channel, and his vids existed honestly. he somewhat reminds me of AVGN but he's mostly critically ravening, and ranting on Nintendo games.
When I saw the pilot for the first time, I was absolutely shocked to see both Cosmo AND Wanda as equally goofy and playful, but both caring to Timmy. Makes me wish they kept them the way they were in the pilot, especially Cosmo's snazzy voice.
@The Real Princess Daddy u good bro
His old voice was so much better to listen to.
Cosmo's original VA died years ago unfortunately. His name was Phil Hartman he no relation to Butch the creator.
Edit: after being corrected and looking it up I'm definitely wrong here. I assumed since at that time their voices were similar I thought they were two different VA's sorry for the confusion on my end.
Cosmo's older voice felt so laidbacked, 70's, and 80's styled.
@José Lucas ohhh. My fault they sounded so similar to each other I assumed. Haha. 😅
i hate how loveless/miserable marriages are played for laughs on TV in general. Marrying someone you cant stand and constantly bickering and putting each other down isn't funny, its uncomfortable. And like you said, cosmo and wanda being all lovey-dovey isn't exactly funny either but its more pleasant to watch, and maybe can get a chuckle out of ya. And when its done in a children's show it can be harmful, as it shows children that bad marriages are "normal". Yes I know that marriages aren't supposed to be perfect all the time but you gotta at the very least like the person you married and tolerate being around them
totally agree, it sets a bad example for kids. They'll think it's normal for husbands to hate their wives and call them fat every chance they get, and for the wife to be a pissed off nag all the time
Problem is the show lost its balance. In the earlier Seasons Cosmo was only slightly more pragmatic than Wanda, but when Cosmo did something creative, she would praise him. Like episode were he has his idea to keep Timmy's game on. So I agree that the characters should at least still show that they support each other, even if they're not always goo-goo eyed. An interesting comparison, is how Timmy's actual parents were idiots but still loved each other throughout the series, and they never bickered. The dad always seemed to know his boundries with the mom and the mom pretty much always loved the dad, but not in the newly wed way of Cosmo and Wanda.
The mom never say the dad's antics as stupid, and we know the dad loves the mom so much, that if he didnt marry her, he'd be a dictator. The only rare time where Timmy's parents had a slight marital joke was Tinmy's dad writing Timmy's love letter to Trixie comparing her looks to the mom, or when Timmy's dad took credit for the mom beating the Dinklenergs garden, where she gave the dad a crossed-arms look. Then the dad have her credit back immeditely to praise her win. Somehow they ended up being the better couple in the show then where Cosmo and Wanda ended up
@@GeteMachine huh you're right. Timmy's parents are a great couple but terrible parents. Cosmo and Wanda are a terrible couple but great parents. Weird.
Wasn't there an episode that constantly made jokes about marriage, to the point that someone in FOP team must have gone through a divorce?
@@XiaoFury do you have any idea how little that narrows it down? 💀
Wanda and Cosmo went from
"girlboss and malewife" to a
"wife bad, husband stupid" couple
Never say it in that order again
Fun fact: In Fairly OddParents (2001-2017), Wanda's hair was originally planned to be blue, but her hair was changed to pink so it would not clash with Timmy's bedroom walls.
I heard it was because Butch ran out of blue while sketching.
@@hankhumble3552 like timmy's hat
Yup! Comical Ream Animations that's a fun, and silly fact.
That's literally interesting I've never noticed Timmy's room in the older episodes lol.
@@hankhumble3552 Yeah, that's what I heard too.
I like their interactions in the original pilot it feels like they were a real couple
I hate that Cosmo and Wanda went from the lovey dovey, hopeless romantic couple type, to the punchline of a Boomer Humor meme.
It makes it look like Butch Hartman started hating his wife partway through the series and was venting it into his work.
(If anyone else is curious, I looked up a few dates. He married in 1992 while the first episode of "season 0" aired in 1998. )
@@Spencer-wc6ew coincidence?
@@Spencer-wc6ew oh damn
"Wife bad, other employees bad, teens click the book, me good"
Cosmo and Wanda should’ve been a more lighter-toned version of Gomez and Morticia Addams. That’s how they played to me in those early episodes.
Now that you mention it, John Astin would have made a great Cosmo. I was reading The AV Club's interview with him and he definitely has that slick, wiseguy personality early Cosmo did.
Seems like Butch kinda has a trend of making his main female characters “naggy” (Wanda, Sam, Kitty etc )
Butch has uhh “interesting” takes on what women behave like
It's all for those good Christian values amirite
Sam is only naggy when she's super passionate about something, making her stand up for herself. Also, the whole 'girls are naggy, boys are dumb' cartoon trope, is based on the supposed belief that girls mature faster than boys. So they're more responsible.
It's got nothing to do with "Christian" values, and is just based on the Early 2000s cartoon trope of girls being the voice of reason and more mature than guys
@@littenfire3563 still kinda yikes that the characters act like the girls are “naggy” or when the story puts them in the wrong for it.
@@littenfire3563 exactly P.S. this "girls mature faster" statement is not only wrong but it's also harmful
Imagine an alternate timeline where Cosmo never dropped the Troy McCure voice.
I would love to see a universe where Cosmo kept his season 0 voice and personality
They should make a fanfic about this, wow
I want to live in that alternate universe.
That would be cool
@@Pwilliams4000 no it wouldnt
@@doododaadoo8673 yeah it would, his voice sounded so cool back then
I hate how "unhealthy relationship funny" is one of the most universal tropes.
It's like all media wants us to believe that all relationships must end in you hating each other. It's just depressing
I'll never get sick of watching you talk about Butch Hartman's failures
I apologize for the spam comments, you don't deserve that
Also yes it's a joy to see
What's the deal with that spammer saying shit about Markiplier's niece?
@@Aego384 Idk, probably some kid looking for attention
@@CannibalisticRapscallion so many spam comment the past month. Makes trying to read replies a pain to do.
At the end of the day, being a premier asset on Nickelodeon for 12+ years isn’t really a failure lol. It was crap the last 8 but it’ll be shown to your kids and maybe even their kids lol
Still can’t believe that the writers threw Cosmo and Wanda’s relationship out the window.
Mark has gone from commentator to cartoon analyst to cartoon tier list, and now cartoon relationship/ identity analyst
Not to mention a “gaming whiz”, apparently
i'm telling you, one of my FAVORITE character tropes of all time is: "the married couple who love each other so much it's sick" and its runner up "man who loves his kickass wife so so so much and wife who loves him just as much but is more reserved with her affection" (some notable examples of this trope being Roger Rabbit and more recently Felix Madrigal from Encanto) it's just so wholesome and it makes me happy to just see two characters in love man, and it's SO much less exhausting than the "wife bad, freedom good, don't get married like me, young child who will interpret this relationship as a normal, healthy dynamic for two people in love to have" trope...
because it always begs the question: "why don't you two just...leave each other??" 🤨
Hell, I loved the smoochy-lovey dovey C&W as a kid so much and the slow decline of their marriage is what ticked me off to the show in general declining.
Its like writers only want to make comedy when the desire for badass and wholesome is left fallow and neglected
Ikr? Like, I see a lot of people who find sickeningly-sweet romance annoying, and while I do think that sometimes all the lovey-dovey-ness from these kinds of couples can be a little overbearing, at the same time, I’m thinking, would you rather them hate each other and argue all the time?
Right?? Sadly, there are couples who refuses to break the knot, despite already committing un-faithfulness. They now turn their messed up marriage into swinging around - breaking the hearts of people who have no clue about their adulterous ways.
TV hates marriage, yet offers no solution to it.
I remember when Cosmo and Wanda was like the parents that Timmy always wanted.
In the episode where Wanda loses her wand, you can actually see that Wanda was supposed to be the idiot. She couldn't figure out how to wear a pirate eye-patch and then let Vicky abscond with her wand. When Cosmo took charge to try getting it back he cleverly disguised himself as a human and tried to smooth talk Vicky into giving the wand back. Wanda could not keep her jealous under wraps long enough to let him tho. Really wanted to see more of this Wanda and Cosmo and was left feeling disappointed when they changed everything around.
the episode where Timmy wished for Cosmo and Wanda to go to marriage counseling was chilling
also Poof was a save the marriage baby, I just realized.
Cosmo has better chemistry with Timmy's dad than Wanda
Cosmo gay confirmed?
@@MaherandIbrahimsAvengers he did get pregnant once
It takes an idiot to understand another idiot.
@@Sonic_the_Hedge-hog it was a wish tho
And it said that the guy faires get pregnrt not the girl faires
@Based precisely
Early season conflicts with them : how am I gonna survive being away from Wanda for 3 whole hours ?!
Later seasons : how am I gonna survive being around Wanda for 3 seconds?
The best way to describe Cosmo in the later seasons is to look at Patrick in the later seasons of SpongeBob.
Both started off as dumb characters that meant well while occasionally screwing up things, but later down the line they started acting both Braindead or downright Evil with their stupidity causing things to get worse
To be honest, I almost forgot about how abusive and ignorant their relationship was in later seasons, though that could be because I kinda lost interest at that point. I just always remembered them as the two sweethearts who sang a love song so beautiful it made Jorgan cry. But rewatching these later scenes… yeah it was toxic
They weren't like that
They became like that!
I liked cosmo’s pilot season personality more, like he made mistakes but understood the situation at hand. By the end of the show that personality is pretty much entirely covered up and it’s pretty sad considering the show ended on such a low.
Great video, man. Legit, I forgot about how much Cosmo & Wanda hated each other, and IMO, it's the main cementing reason why the later FOP seasons weren't as good.
:)
@The Real Princess Daddy fucking cringe
Leave Daniel alone
@The Real Princess Daddy imagine being cringe
@@VGGBrayden the spam comments want attention just ignore it
Early season Cosmo and Wanda were low-key couple goals.
But then over time they took on the, "My Idiot Husband/My Nagging Wife" tropes and became unbearable.
There was this one episode in Season 9, Cosmonopoly, that I actually enjoyed. The premise is that Cosmo, Wanda, Timmy and Poof end up getting trapped onto one of Cosmo’s board games. Of course, with this being Season 9 Cosmo insane and buffoonish antics ensue throughout the board, but it ends up tying it all up in the end with the reveal that the reason why Cosmo made the gameboard was in order to commentate his first meeting with Wanda, and even made a board for the day of their wedding. It was a sweet moment that stuck with me.
I can't wait for the Butch Hartman episode! Just a heads-up that Jeff Kinney will be outside your window tn while you sleep 😊
@I JUST NEED 285 SUBS I get what you want attention but why do you have to self promote?
@@briangriffinfamilyguyfan81 because desperate
does anybody miss Cosmo's sleazy buisnessman nature and Wanda just going along with it? I wonder how that turned into "hehehe i hate my spouse"
I missed Cosmo's old voice and personality from season 2 to 4. Or was it 5? The point is, he was dumb but loveable. But now, he's annoyingly dumb and appears to hate his wife.
Never been a fan of animation portraying couples like this.
Like I get that not every relationship is perfect and arguments are bound to happen at some point but I much prefer seeing sweet moments between married couples as opposed to.... this
I once described a relationship with an ex as “extremely Cosmo and Wanda.” This just reinforces that idea
Cosmo and Wanda suffer from the same thing that happened to Peter and Lois in Family Guy. When we first met them, they were clearly in love. But overtime they became obnoxious pricks who could barely stand each other.
"Season 0" Cosmo's voice is so smooth he could convince me to do bad things. I'm just saying, always loved his voice.
They seriously did the “husband forgets anniversary” plot? Is this the fucking 90s?
The misandry and misogyny in the writing is both aggravating and tiresome.
The irony is that they already subverted that plot in Apartnership - so this is a case of the show crystallizing a plot *they already dismantled along with the misunderstanding cliché.*
I think the best representation of Cosmo x Wanda was in the musical TV film mostly because, while there's elements of a somewhat troublesome relationship, we still knew they genuinely cared for eachother. You know what moment, the sentimental song to distract Jorgen followed by Cosmo sacrificing his happiness for Wanda.
There were times when the Cosmo and Wanda relationship reminded me of the Jessie and James dynamic. You could even make a case for Timmy being Meowth.
Wanda even has purple hair!
@@parlinmains you colorblind or something?
@@bigchungus6853 Is it not purple?
…Oh. Oops. How the hell did I confuse those colours?
@@parlinmains xD I understand sometimes when you're just tired it be like that
The peak of their relationship portrayal in my opinion was “Floating With You” from School’s Out.
My favorite part of the show was also when Cosmo and Wanda felt more like parents to Timmy than.. Timmy’s parents. How at the end of the day they were family and they loved each other.
What's with animated shows turning pretty healthy and positive portrayals of adult relationships into two people who hate each other and don't even want to be in the same room?
I think it's bc as Mark said, it's just easier to write jokes around hate than love
Easier to write, and personal experiences of the married head writers
The one-note Honeymooners gag is the best way to stretch out a series well past its breaking point.
Writing out actual character trajectories, that's hard, and takes time. Going the shallow route makes it MUCH easier to simply crank out content just to put on air.
I think my main problem with cosmo x Wanda is that cosmo looks at other girls too much and can be a real heartless prick while Wanda is really condescending towards cosmo and talks down to him about his stupidity and nags him too much. This video breaks everything down and highlights my problems With cosmo x Wanda very well. Props to you LSmark!
i missed it back when these two actually loved eachother, they were so cute together
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Butch is an example of a hero dying too late.
Man cosmo and wanda were couple goals back in the day. Remember when they actually liked eachother and even if when they fought it was completely normal or used as a joke. Now at this point they can't even stand eachother.
Besides flanderization, I recall how it was also when Fairly Odd Parents had this thing of having characters act based on their gender. With the men being idiots and women being nags. I don't know if this is for comedy but it was a thing that I felt is annoying in some of the newer episodes that might contribute to this.
Wasn’t there a whole special where Cosmo’s mom tried to break them up but the entire episode was them showing their undying love for eachother
No, it was an 11 minute episode.
They were really cute and charming Seasons 1 and 2. Really made for a refreshing dynamic as opposed to the stereotype married couples on other TV shows. Started to sour around S3 I think but neither were particularly grating until the post cancellation seasons.
I think season 6 and 7 were the last seasons were they were a good couple
When looking back at old episodes of FOP , it feels genuinely jarring to hear Cosmo sound super low pitch compared to his super high pitched in the later seasons.
@José Lucas It's surprising that he can, in fact, apparently still do the voice.
Remember when in the special about the muffin who could grant wishes without rules, Cosmo was very distrought about having let Wanda down by not being able to protect her and her being captured ? Yeah that was a really nice character moment that I wish was the norm.
Cosmo and Wanda feel like the couple who got married fresh out of highschool like 6 months into their relationship and only after marriage realized they're incompatible but refused to divorce because of their kids.
It's not even funny, it's just sad
I prefer Cosmo's and Wanda dynamic relationships back at the pilot and season 1 and early seasons. Not sure why the Butch change this. This reminds me of Peter Griffin and Lois Griffin where the do love each other but as the series going its like they're seriously hate each other and I'm surprised they haven't gotten a divorce yet.
Nah Peter and Lois stayed the same. Only Lois got more quick-tempered. Rightfully so.
@@icecreamhero2375 But not at the level extreme method with therir characters traits change. They're even worst as the series has going.
@@dontemorgan1517 The biggest changes were Meg, Brian, Stewie, Joe, and Bonnie. Everyone else is the same.
@@icecreamhero2375 Yeah but they were likeable. Now, they aren't.
@@dontemorgan1517 Ummm........ are you sure about that they were always pretty bad.
The shows decline kinda represents their marriage. They became so unlikable (Cosmo especially) and bitter towards each other you wonder why they're even together when they had a loving marriage in the beginning.
The Cosmo and Wanda of the older episodes definitely felt like the fairy godparents most kids watching FOP would want to have (unless they were fans of Juandissimo)
Even as a kid, I never found this funny, just unpleasant, I was especially offended and frustrated already knowing that this was only for comedy and nothing else. I don't think any other kid would find a bickering couple to be hilarious, they would probably see it as either: unpleasant, annoying or both. Bonus points if those children happen to live with parents basically already on the brink of a divorce because of all their arguing. Plus, since I already grew up with these characters, it just becomes a depressing and infuriating slap to the face to see them turn into this.
I grew up with the show too and I totally forgot just how loving Cosmo and Wanda used to be. Now i'm married myself and I couldn't imagine staying with someone if we acted like they do in later seasons.
One of my favorite moments of Cosmo and Wanda is toward the beginning of the series when they have the fight over their anniversary. It’s the moment when Cosmo’s mother is insulting Wanda again for marrying Cosmo and Cosmo declares that even though he’s an idiot, Wanda loves him anyway and that she in turn makes him happy and “that should be enough for you!” It’s a beautiful scene that solidified my love for them when I was younger.
They were always a couple that despite their problems, they always worked through them and always loved each other through thick and thin.
But none of that love or genuine emotion is present in their marriage anymore and it’s legitimately upsetting. Just another thing the show has ruined now.
Ahh Cosmo and Wanda, once a loving and funny couple turned into the animated version of a boomer comic husband and wife
Why is it so hard for writers to have a marriage where they don’t hate each other
Anyone else remember that one scene where Cosmo and Wanda sing a really sweet love song in one of the musical episodes? That was a favorite of mine.
Finally a worthy rival to "Brian Griffin An Icon In Ruin"
Woah, Ass Ahoy!
Peter it's 7 pm and you still have your pants on. What's the occasion?
Timmy Turner: Cosmo, Wanda I wish I was a Seth MacFarlane/Family Guy Character! 😁
Does anyone agree that Vicky, Denzel Crocker, and Francis are pure evil and beyond redemption?
Nowdays pretty much. Except for Francis. He's been the same since day one
Replace Francis with dinkelburg
If they made a season 11 the plot would’ve been Cosmo and Wanda getting a divorce
Then Season 12 would have them trying to kill each over leading to one actually dying and the other committing "self-deletion".
At that point, I Wouldn't be surprised if that happened.
That plot would make me sad 🥺
@Peko Pekoyama The episode started out normal but then realistic blood splashed on the screen!
@Peko Pekoyama Then Timmy set Vicky and Mr. Crocker on fire!
ok as someone who just marathoned Jimmy Neutron including the crossovers, Cosmo and Wanda’s relationship decline is so damn clear. In the 1st Jimmy-Timmy Power Hour they’re entirely civil toward each other, Cosmo isn’t that dumb, etc. Then in the 2nd and 3rd Power Hours which were made a couple years later, basically every word they say to each other is just insulting-Wanda calls Cosmo an idiot unprovoked, Cosmo makes some kinda joke abt how he hates Wanda, rinse and repeat. It was sad
I remember watching them when I was younger and it always made me upset when they bickered.
Seeing them in their “honeymoon” phase made me really happy I would’ve loved to seen that version of them when I was growing up
Timmy has the power to wish for world peace or to end world hunger, but instead he wishes for a chocolate shake.
I really hate seeing bickering married couples in media. Like... Happy marriages exist and are nicer to watch than bickering...
But I agree with Mark that it's for cheap comedy, and I'll add cheap drama to that as well - "Oh, Wanda and Cosmo are in a fight again!" Is an easy, *easy* plot to pull out, I bet. When the idea well runs dry, use a contrived fight between characters to supplement real issues.
I'm of the opinion that every story needs to have a planned ending and that ending should not be fucked with.
i feel like as soon as their marriage started souring (cosmo kept looking at other women and making remarks more often than not) they also started being much more ignorant and meaner to timmy which defeats the purpose of him even having them in the first place, he surely gets enough neglectful abuse from one pair of parents
I never really liked Fairily Odd Parents, but I still watched it when there was nothing better on other TV channels.
And now whenever I see images of the show a lot of them have this strange purgatorial, liminal feeling to them.
I can see that they tried to pull a dynamic similar to Pepa and Felix from Encanto (with the fun, lovable, and a bit of an airhead of a husband with a wife that’s tired of his shenanigans but still loves him deeply) but failed miserably
Of course, because they have been together for 10K years so they wouldn't behave like newlyweds, but rather to an acceptance of eachother's defects, aka a healthy marriage on their silver wedding.
Is frustrating because they WERE SUCEEDING in early seasons. That's how they were betrayed on S1-3 and the Musical. It wasn't perfect but it was both healthy and realistic, which in its own way is better.
The thing im noticing about longer running TV shows isnt just that they flanderize the characters. But that when they do the characters tend to just end up being huge assholes to each other. Why does it happen so often
Just rising up another reason why FOP's downfall went into a black hole. In seasons 9 and 10, which is where it officially felt like it had died grisly death, all they cared about is to make Cosmo as brain dead as possible and Wanda as pushy as possible. The only good episode in both seasons was "Cosmonopoly", because it was the only episode in this dreadful area that actually cared about characterizing the characters instead of using them as buttjokes. I did feel Cosmo and Wanda's chemistry in there, and I wish that for this area, ALL the other episodes were like this one.
My favorites in Season 9 are Finding EMO and Crocker Blocker. The best season 10 episode is Birthday Battle.
@@icecreamhero2375 That’s interesting. I heard a lot of people REALLY hated these episodes.
@@baryardeni9731 What's wrong with them they are perfect. In Finding EMO we get "These Guitar strings hurt my sensitive fingers." In Crocker Blocked we get Timmy's Dad being up Mr. Crocker. In Birthday Battle we get Timmy and Chloe arguing and the unicorns and transformers trying to get revenge on them. Anyone who says chole is too perfect should watch birthday battle.
@@icecreamhero2375 Well, each one, his opinions. I kinda heard the majority of the problems with them, was due to continuity or poor writing. But to be fair, I don’t think they’re the worst episodes of neither season.
@@michaelg4981 Ah, yes… This one did bother me as well, obviously, but this is a major problem with seasons 9 and 10 as a whole. I’m not connecting it to Cosmonopoly specifically.
Even as a kid that joke in Channel Chasers where Cosmo realizes he can shoot giant lasers from his hands, then immediately tells Wanda "you should start listening to me more" always struck me as rlly weird
Cosmo's old persona reminds me of Genie from Aladdin. Goofy and silly but not dumb and still competent in helping people with magic.
Its kinda sad but loving healthy relationships in media are actually extremely rare. Characters that are supposed to be in love are almost always written to basically hate each other or only show love through over the top grand displays of affection. Cosmo and Wanda early on were definitely couple writing goals it's a shame we can't still have that.
At least we have Moxie and Millie
@@razzvyberry4694 I don't know who that is...
@@itisnotsosimple some characters from helluva
@@itisnotsosimple Helluva boss
@@razzvyberry4694 But the problem with them sadly is that they are too overly lovey to where ot is unrealistic.
And Milli has no character development. Like we see episodes where Moxie is explores as a character but Millie is just Moxie's wife. Idk if that makes sense but that's my take on it.
It probably is better than the broken marriage of Cosmo and Wanda tho
Sadly, every major character in the Fairly Oddparents have been flanderized. Mr and Mrs Turner went from oblivious but decent parents who loved Timmy into neglectful assholes. Vicky went from a simple jerk into the reincarnation of Satan. Crocker went from a goofy but threatening antagonist into a complete joke. Timmy went from an average kid who no one understands into a punching bag. Cosmo went from a dumb but kind man into a moron who is nit as dumb as Mr Turner, but still stupid. Wanda went from a wise and sparky woman into a nag. And the other characters were erased from this show.
Though I grew up with the later seasons, I can say that the old ones were much better. These characters went from well thought out comic reliefs to idiot jerks realll quick. It angers me that one of my favorite cartoons ended up this way.
Idk what is with TV writers and making their married couples borderline hate each other, it’s not even just FOP. Like no the “I hate my wife/kids/they lowkey ruined my life” joke wasn’t funny the first time it’s just annoying and kinda sad. Like shit no wonder so many younger people don’t want to get married/have kids when these jokes are so prevalent in sitcoms made by middle aged people.
the shift from "I love my spose so much it makes me stupid" to "I hate my spouse so much it's funny" is SO upsetting to me. I feel like one is just objectively funnier, cuter, and more enjoyable. the latter just makes me uncomfortable and sad.
I feel so bad for Poof when he gets older and has to watch his parents fight alot
@@Numbuh8578 I don't think they hate each other THAT much.
The case is that Cosmo and Wanda are being out of their characters sometimes, that's the main reason why they could have look like a loveless couple. But that's not true
Broke: Ye West & Kim Kardashian are having a rocky relationship.
Woke: Cosmo & Wanda are having a rocky relationship.
Cosmo and Wanda really should get couples therapy.
As someone who grew up watching the later seasons, I was so shocked to see how they interacted in the pilot! Even the first couple of seasons are sooo different from how they ended up becoming. I don't mind that Cosmo is the slightly more goofy one while Wanda is a little more sensible, but you're right Cosmo became a total lunatic and was always trying to get away from Wanda
Seeing Cosmo's portrayal in the series of shorts caught me off guard. He feels so different, but in a good way.
“Timmy this bike is as cool as you are!”
Ok, that actually got a laugh out of me
I really miss Cosmo and Wanda’s relationship from season 0 where Cosmo voice actor uses his deeper voice and that Cosmo was actually the smart one in the relationship and being charming while Wanda was actually the dumb one. This really make a lot of their moments with each other really cute and charming in season 0 where they refer to each other by nicknames like “Pookie” and really contrast with Timmy’s parents as well where they do come off as wish fulfillment or something you only see in a fantasy and it still works since their Timmy ideal image of how parents should act.
We got to remember that Timmy was a neglected child under the supervision of an abusive babysitter where he probably never got the chance to interact a lot with his parents, and thus Wanda and Cosmo comes in. Even though there are moments where Timmy parents are extremely worry about him season 0, this idea works extremely well with his parents in the official seasons. As well this could have defied the trope of stupid child husband and nagging wife with season 0 Cosmo and Wanda
Edit: Thank you to the person who helped me spell Pookie
It’s spelled “pookie” btw ^^;
@@tiablue9106 thank you so much
@@webkinzgirlist no prob!
I hope future cartoonists take into account time passing and age their characters appropriately. I know in most cases children will turn into 30 year olds (Simpsons, Family guy, South Park) but you just gotta go with that if you don’t want things to get stale
One cartoon takes a year to make and they make 26 in a year. If we did that we would barely get any adventures set in one time period.
Character relationships in this show were badly handled with all going from bad to worse. I feel that Vicky was the most mistreated of all. We all see her go from selfishly hateful teenager to a total psycho.
Sadly, she got to redeem herself in the season 6 season ender Wishology, but Jorgen wiped her memories of the events of Wishology, thus resetting her back to being a fruitcake.
Vicky and Timmy could've become close friends (as a result of being forced to spend time together every time the Turner parents went out) and still have some acrimony towards each other, but creator Butch Hartman decided that the all-mighty reset button should always be pressed at the end of each episode.....
I'd like to see a new FOP animated series that allows Timmy and Vicky to have at least a prickly friendship, but if the new live action series succeeds, then I'm afraid a new animated series will be about the new characters.....
One last thing... Vicky seemed to be aware that Timmy's goldfish weren't ordinary goldfish and vowed to find out why things at the Turner household were so strange. Sadly, she was never given the chance. In my mind, Vicky needed Cosomo and Wanda to teach her how to be a normal, caring person.... I'm sure that relationship would've been prickly as well :-)
I swear the characters reflect the writing team given enough time. Starting out full of ideas and life and then being hollowed out into shells that dont care about anything
"Who cares what you think, you're a girl now!"
I can't
Unpopular opinion: Some episodes after Poof's birth were still good, it wasn't immediately after he was born that the show started to lose quality
I think most would agree with that, I mean lots of ppl like the Wishology trilogy
The dog killed the show
It went to shit the moment that dog showed up on screen