What is Tom Bombadil?
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- One of the greatest mysteries for anyone who has read the books, is an enigmatic figure that saves our Hobbits not just once, but twice! on their way to Rivendell. But who was this ancient being, who had been there before any living thing existed on Arda? And where did he ultimately come from? And most importantly: what was Tom Bombadil?
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I'm 64 years old, and I never even heard the name Tolkien in school. I'm a little mad about that. I haven't read the books, and now with age and terrible eyesight, I don't know if I ever will. I've been watching a lot of videos about the stories and Tolkien's work and I want to say that I really enjoy them and thank you for making them.
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Tom Bombadil was Tolkien’s first character,(hence him being the oldest being in middle earth) one he made specifically for his children and I think he included him in LOTR as an homage to that. So, the fact that he is a character from a different story and a different world makes him invulnerable and completely unaffected by anything in middle earth.
So Tom Bombadil is Switzerland - no cares save for milking his cows and hiding international drug money?
That's my thought as well. Given that Tolkien treated his inventions as Secondary (and real) worlds and not fantasy then Tom had to stay true to himself. I am sure that challenge was a joy for Tolkien. How could he portray a child-like but omnipotent being who knew nothing of adult evil and treachery? Well. you have him act as a child who literally is untouched by it but also unable to understand it. Tolkien never wrote him as having such knowledge (it wasn't needed in his stories) so he can't grasp it now. A clever touch that proves "stories" are "real"
All, too easy.
tom bombabitch was too afraid to be in the main story with the big boys
@@hugh.g.rection5906 I don't think he was afraid of anything - he just had no concern for the outside world.
I wonder if he realized how dire the situation was. Or maybe he somehow knew it would work out...
Tom Bombadil was a wooden doll the Author's children played with.
Tolkien used that doll to tell them stories....stories that eventually grew into Middle Earth.
The character is a tribute to how it all started.
But more than just a tribute. Tom was formed before Tolkien knew "choice" and "temptation" was going to be central to his new book, LotR. Logically that meant that Tom could neither be affected by or influence something he did not understand. It was as if Tolkien followed his own creation mythology rules and treated Tom as a real being who was exactly what he created years earlier for his children and that meant he had to be joyful, innocent, yet powerful and have no real understanding of evil. Yes, he was "first" because he had existed before Tolkien had really developed Middle Earth; Tom was more a being that existed when it was a child-like place and so he had to be as he is shown. One could even argue that he was what Eru anticipated/formed before the music became discordant.
YES! I’ve been saying this all over you tube. Tom is the first character Tolkien ever created, hence him being the first and oldest. And bring from another world altogether makes him immune to the magic of middle earth. It’s so obvious.
Interesting. This sort of monkey branches to my theory that TB is the narrative representation of JRRT in his own story; a character that can observe the universe internally, without impacting the universe too broadly.
@@JimmyMFP That's always been my take; Tom is JRRT, or JRRT as he would wish to be in Middle Earth.
Tom is literally the core theme of lotr. Nature as goodness and the dark of mans heart set against nature. Evil is against nature. Tom is nature itself. Everything in the story is upholding the goodness of trees, wood, hill, good food and good smoke. We are all hobbits inside.
My suspicion is Bombadil is a Father Time deity. Oldest and Fatherless. Time has no father, it has simply always been.
Or perhaps Bombadil is the personification of Eä itself.
Not merely a nature diety of Arda, which didn't always exist.
Eä, the universe is also fatherless.
@@josephvisnovsky1462 Tom is a fictional character "not of" Arda, not of the world, not of anything that Eru created with the flame. In a purely fictional sense, Tom is an anomaly in everything. The one exception, tolerated by Eru, because it proves the rule. I personally think of what he is, he is a manifestation of wild nature, an "avatar" of what Eru created, which created itself. [outside of Eru's imput] Because Tom can never be "evil" because he can never be "good", will always be neutral, and guided by his own sense of moral convictions, which ultimately align with being nice and decent and kind to all things that do no harm, his anomalous nature is tolerated by the creator.
@@Requiemslove Beautiful comment and pretty much how i have viewed Tom Bombadil. I see Tom as a consequence of the song of eru and the "opposite" force to Ungoliant. if tom embodies the nature of arda as an avatar, Ungoliant is the embodiment of the discord and darkness that Melkor introduced in the song at the time of creation. Ungoliant inherited the thirst of Melkor who desired something he couldnt have and in the end this will lead to his destruction and purging from the world when Eru Iluvitar remakes the world. In the same way Ungoliants hunger led to his demise as he probably devoured him self, which is so poetic.
But then he makes a willow back down with force?
"What is Tom Bombadil?"
Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow,
Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow.
None has ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the Master:
His songs are stronger songs, and his feet are faster.
Tom Bombadil isn't part of the LOTR pantheon. He just is. Who is Tom Bombadil? He's Tom Bombadil. I think he's a mystery, not meant to be explained or accounted for, kind of like the Nameless Ones -- these creatures expand the LOTR universe to include other beings beyond it, which is why the ring has no effect on Tom when he puts it on his finger. There is no explanation for Tom. That's why he's so interesting -- he's a mystery that cannot be solved. Everyone who tries to classify Bombadil is missing the point. I think that's why Tolkien said people were taking Tom "too seriously." He's not some powerful figure who is to be revealed. He is just Tom Bombadil, nothing more, nothing less.
Wrong he is the main character of the new book dum dum
Ea is filled with categories, Tom Bombadil was deliberately made to be the lone exception.
Tom is a special part of the Lord of the rings. I wish he had more of part in the books, but although it wasn’t that much of a part of the books he made an impression on each of the people who have read the books.
Tom is completely the most influential mystery of the books. We all can speculate who he is.
I think that's a boring way to look at the world though. Personally I think it's more fun to search for explanations, even if they'll never come, than to just say it is what it is
This is actually not correct in my opinion. There is a purpose to Tom. And Goldberry. Tom was there before everything. But not everyone. Before Tom there was illuvatar. And all things that exist come from the secret fire which resides in iluvatar.
The reason Tom is enigmatic and mysterious is because he was created by Iluvatar before Arda. There was Iluvatar, and the Ainur...and Tom. Tom was the test subject and original caretaker of Arda. He was created by ONLY iluvatar. there is NO discord in him. That is why the ring cannot affect him. He was created from, the pure un discorded sacred fire to care for Arda until the children of iluvatar (Elves and men) awoke. And the purpose of Tom was to shape and car for Arda.
It was the Ainur (inlcuding melkor) who begged Iluvatar to allow them to enter arda and to help to shape and care for Arda as it was wondrous and beautiful to behold.
Who is tom? A demi god created before the world to care for the world. Not the people in it. This is why he has no interest in the ring, the affairs of men.. and only intervenes with those or that which interferes with the natural order. But he was not made to fight. His power is not meant to destroy. He has no concept of battle etc. That was not his purpose.
It was for the Ainur to make battle etc. And ultimately for the children of Iluvatar to face their ultimate test and cast off evil themselves.
The entirety of the story is a life lesson to the Ainur. Do not fuck with iluvatar. When melkor sowed his discord he was told by iluvatar that though he is mighty, he too is of iluvatar and nothing more then an agent of his will and no matter the discord he sowed he would be shown that his discord...is nothing but a tool used to test the children of Iluvatar.
Tom is just a shepard that proves that when he created the Ainur, and Melkor... he foresaw what would happen. All of it...even the ring... was Eru';s will. And Tom was his will literally manifest, like everything else. And through Tom we saw the only direct intervention of Eru in the lifecycle or Arda,a nd it came before the world was ever made.
I always thought Tom was the most interesting entity in the lore because he seems to be almost outside of it. He isn't god, he isn't anything. He just is Tomb Bombadil and somehow in this case, that is enough.
"for a second the hobbits had a vision, both comical AND alarming, of his bright blue eyes gleaming through a circle of gold" that sentence always intrigued me.... now it makes more sense, the hobbits couldn't understand exactly the power the ring had on Tom... but they sensed something! Also being in both worlds at once, Tom saw "invisible" Frodo heading for the door!
You mean, the power the ring DIDN'T have over Tom.
@@radicalcartoons2766 sort of... In that tolkien letter, he said something to the effect the ring has some kind of power over all, but with tom, it was so slight, the hobbits,(or anyone else), couldn't perceive it, but that one little line, kinda makes me wonder!
I think it's more likely that he's the avatar of Aule. I'd love to hear what Gandalf talked to Tom about for 2 years after the LOTR events.
or an avatar from Eru itself, after all that existed was part of him, since he couldn't make his full presence known, what still gets me puzzled is the fact he had a wife after all Eru is a single entity, no gender, but then we have the fatherless thing, only Eru has no father....
remember Tolkien was a master of words, so words have a precise meaning, the fact Tom isn't Eru can be understood as my fingernail isn't me, but part of me, Tom can be a part of Eru, but not Eru...
@@JoaoMariaNunes An avatar of nature. There's enough hints in the books as to what Tom may be
Love the way you tell the stories of tolkin bet youd do a brilliant audio book
No,I think it’s Tolkien himself. His imagination was so deep he created a character to interact with the other characters he created if that were possible, Why not? He did it before. Wraps up the mystery nicely for me.
He's probably one of the Ents, which I see as sort of satire of professors at Oxford of which he was one.
I think Tom is basically the embodiment of Arda. He manifested during its creation. He’s not Eru Iluvatar, nor any of the Valar. He’s THE spirit of the Earth.
Although Tolkien may not have intended it to be so, the theory that Tom was an avatar of Eru IS the best explanation, imo. Sometimes a story can evolve beyond it's creator's intention. 😉
@alexadao8852: When did you learn to read and write? I am gonna say it was last year. 🙂
I always envisioned this part in the books like a dream passage lived by the hobbits. Of what Tolkien really think of the afterlife. free of any power, temptation, malice and material things (the ring). To just be at peace with yourself, others and our surrounding (nature).
"The sprit that desires knowledge... unconcerned with 'doing' anything with the knowledge" [9:25], was how Tolkien came to make the weird doll, Tom Bombadil (ostensibly for the kids, who found it disturbing), and how his love of languages led to creating artificial languages, preceding the intent to create a world to set them in. The Valar were unaware what their Song created, but it began with a Heydol !
I used to work at a restaurant that called Tom bombadills in Hawaii. This was during the nineties. Not even sure if it’s still there. Had pretty good food and all the menu items were named after characters or things in the books.
Did the make Somoan Crab and call it boiled Shelob? I suppose at least they had crispy lembas bread.
Tolkien made sure he wasn't any of the assumptions, def NOT a Maia, he is something other, he went out of his way to make it unknown for specific reasons, this has been done by many in many stories, it leaves open exactly what has been happening, speculation and wonder, and this is a tool by many writers, there is a need to want something explained otherwise it is left up to you and your imagination can create things far more complex than words on paper, this is a gift Tolkien left by NOT explaining it, you see this with many great writers, and even movie makers not showing you the "monster". Also it makes it more personal, Tom is what YOU think he is, and I have had a thought before Tom is not Tolkien or God, Tom is YOU! You are the master, you were there before you opened the book with your bright blue eyes staring through the golden ring, the story. That has always been my take, Tom is the reader and some of his snarky quotes tell you this, rewatch under that mindset.
The best explanation to me is that he is the avatar of Tolkien himself.
1. He doesn't fit into the description of any of the great beings created by Iluvatar. Tolkien was very specific about who and what kind of beings Iluvatar created and what kinds they were like.
2. He is described as the eldest, which the creator who created even Iluvatar, e.q. Tolkien himself literally is.
3. He portrays the aspects in life that Tolkien cherished the most: song, laughter, joy, kindness, silliness, nature, etc.
4. He is immune to the One Ring, which only the truest creator of the ring, Tolkien himself, obviously would be.
5. His appearance doesn't fit into the middle age fantasy world in any way at all. It is so truly bizarre, that there is very little reason to write any such type of creature in the world, if not written as the personal character of the writer, using the ultimate writer's freedom to be literally anything one wants to be.
6. He doesn't want to involve in the guest of the ring, even though he could either take the ring to himself for safe or take the ring to Mordor or accompany the hobbits. Any other type of being would eventually be destroyed by Sauron if he had won, so even the neutral beings had the motive to destroy Sauron and his ring for self defense. The only logical reason to not get involved would be to let the story happen, and there would be no good story to tell if invulnerable being would safeguard the protagonist to the victory. But he still wanted to meet the hobbits personally and lend them his aid, so he wrote himself to aid them in two moments of despair at the beginning and then send them forward without involving in the story any further.
7. Even though he explained to greatest detail everything in the world, he never gave a good explanation to him, despite of being bombed with questions about him. Secrecy about his true being makes perfect sense, because if his avatar, it would be very, very intimate to him. It wouldn't matter if people guessed that he is him, but openly telling that this is me would probably feel like taking all his clothes off in front of his readers.
It is important to understand that Tolkien didn't just write few cool books - he literally spend his life in the world he created. the emotional connection to the world would be something so immense a mere reader couldn't ever understand. so it would only make sense for him to write himself an avatar to the world - a form in which he could safely travel through the dangers of the world unharmed and witness everything he wanted in first person physical form.
What if Tom Bombadil is the reader him/herself as we are all a part of God ?
was just about to say that.
4. I don't know that Tolkien would be so bold to hold himself unswayed by the one ring. Few are. But love your post It makes one think.
The second point kinda doesnt work as Tolkien has stated that Eru has even greater power of Middle Earth universe than he has.
@@Meshifuari how is that a problem?
WHAT a lesson for LIFE! …. Thank you so much!
Nailed it, brother. Thank you.
Great video. I find Tom fascinating
I think it's the greatest self insert, its Tolkien himself. He just wanted to go middle earth. That's why he sings his magic. And his power can literally chance the story.
Maybe Tom is really Tolkien... He was happy in his world. great video
I think he is JR Tolkien himself, a way for the author to be in his own world.
This video is very impressive. I can't remember ever seeing any Tolkien TH-camrs use so many passages from the Letters of JRR Tolkien. Very well researched and presented. A+😁👍👍
The Broken Sword ???🤫
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Jake and James don't count because they probably stole that content from someone. The boys were flying high on the History of the Ages channel until TH-cam shut that channel down for their many content violations. They never told us they had plagiarized Steven of The Red Book when he was posting content on Reddit. Thankfully, that got him to start his wonderful channel. Those guys never fessed up. Nor did they apologize to the artists and content writers whose work they just stole.
Maybe they are paying someone to make content for them but they are frauds.
I thoroughly enjoyed the video. While we know certain things about Tom, I am curious about what we do not know. Perhaps he is simply an observer in that world, similar to the Watchers in the Marvel Universe.
I always liked the idea that eru encountered the essence that was bombadil alone in the voide then made a whole world for him
I think Bombadil sounds like a kind of landvættir, in Norse mythology a spirit of the land that cares for and protects the land where it lives. If the land is defiled, the landvættir weakens or dies. Tolkien would have been familiar with this concept, and surmises in the Council of Elrond that Bombadil would perish with his lands, "Last as he was First."... "Power to defy our Enemy is not in him, unless such power is in the earth itself. And yet we see that Sauron can torture and destroy the very hills."
I agree, here is my reasoning :
1. Tolkien states that the oldest LIVING thing in middle-earth is treebeard -> Tom Bombadil is therefore not alive -> Which means he is a spirit.
2. His wife is a river-spirit, it's safe to assume that Tom and Goldberry's natures are similar. He is therefore a spirit of something, like her.
3. He is not an Ainu like the Maiar or Valar. Rather, like his wife, he is a product of the music of creation. Therefore his free will is limited unlike most of the Ainur. He acts according to his nature only.
4. He is simple-minded and primordial in a way. Therefore we can conclude that he represents nature, purity and all that is good in Ea.
5. If Sauron had won, in the end, Bombadil would also fall, like all pure nature in middle-earth, consumed by the fires of industry and the dominion of the orc.
A sound hypothesis but it has one fundamental issue. Tolkien himself alluded that Tom Bombadil was "inserted" into the fiction of LOTR and from that, we must presume by transcendence of ownership, the Silmarillian, the "tome" that lay's out Tolkien's fictional world. If Tom is outside the fiction, how can he be of Eru's will, a creation of the flame imperishable? [Because he's outside of all that, not a part of it]
I believe in a purely fictional term, he is a spirit, of a sort, a wild one that manifested as an avatar of wild nature, a product of self creation that exists outside of Eru's influence. Yet is also deeply concerned with progressing said influence and ultimately, stopping things that would erode it, such as the discord. His will is thus, naturally aligned with Eru's, and is why Eru can tolerate and accept one thing that he DIDN'T create. Tom Bombadil is not of Arda, but he is a spirit avatar of it's inherent nature, created from it. As far as Eru is concerned, a happy surprise, a thing tat came to be he didn't know was there, or could be, but is very happy with it's being.
In the Council of Elrond they discussed sending the Ring back to Tom for safe-keeping. Gandalf says of him "Last, as he was First", implying that Tom was around since primordial times. Tom hints at this himself. Presumably the whole concept of Tom was thought of as too complex for the movie audiences.
He's a manifestation of Tolkien's storytelling. He represents the unknown, mystery and unexplainable enigmas. I can see why the one ring wouldn't have an affect on him. I can also see why he wouldn't care and misplace the ring. He's suppose to be unexplainable. Tolkien stated that it is intentional. Also that he isn't the Creator. Tolkien said "...And even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally).""
In Arda J. R. R. Tolkien is Beren (see his headstone), Illuvatar couldn't enter Middle Earth without a trove of followers, Ainur are accounted for, Tom is a Maia. Excellent video.
Beautiful
I always thought of Tom Bombadil as the Melody of the Ainulindalë.
In a letter to Stanley Unwin, Tolkien called Tom Bombadil the spirit of the vanishing landscapes of Oxfordshire and Berkshire.
Fiddler´s Green, Embodiment & Soul of Nature.
Magic the Gathering recently collaborated with Lord of the Rings for a set of Magic cards. Part of the set is Tom Bombadil, which is a creature card in the set. A creature have creature types. For example, Gandalf is a Wizard Avatar. Tom Bombadil has a creature type of God Bard. This is a licensed product and it was approved that Tom Bombadil is a God. I dont know if this sways people’s opinion of what Tom Bombadil is, but this is a published product that had consultations with the franchise itself.
ALL THE VIDEOS I'VE SEEN OF TOM AND NOT ONE EVER MADE ME THINK LIKE THIS OR GAVE ME THE INFO YOU HAVE GAVE ME LIKE ALL HIS NAMES... I LOVE THIS SHIT...
Thank you! 😂
Regardless of Tolkien´s explaining on what is Tom Bombadil to his fan´s letter, it seemed to me that he couldn´t allow himself to openly dare to accept that actually Tom is a type of avatar of Eru Illuvatar himself within his creation to enjoy himself of it while getting a bit of closer direct survilleance on how things are going on there anyway, if needing a furtherly greater intervention as he did on Numenor´s sinking or on Gandalf´s return with higher powers (and so might explain whatever he and Tom got to speak about the very last time before leading Frodo into the Grey Havens) but usually just relying to acknowledge that was still a lot of good people in the world, of many kinds (elves, humans, dwarves and ents among others) so whatever evil lurking around might not be a big deal lasting a lot after all.
However this view clashes a bit on the way how he wanted Eru to be as the Biblical deity of his personal religious beliefs, because kinda sets Illuvatar into a more type of divine being as the Valar or Maiar were too, which is inspired into the other non-Christian beliefs, so he couldn´t allow to have openly stating on that Eru Illuvatar might have had a lightier and trivial human-like side on himself fancying on material and temporal things into a very small pack of ground on the world. So he couldn´t afford to openly change or made him into a complex multilayer character, as it got against his personal beliefs deeply engrained as dogmatic restrictions on what he could made his world or not at the very foundations of it.
So pretty much as he didn´t explained furtherly about Ungoliant´s true nature or about telling more of the Nameless Things of the deepest chasms of Moria, because might set up variations as if Melkor wasn´t the only one great evil deal to worry on the world and that actually a mightier third party might have come from OUTSIDE and was actually the true nature behind Melkor´s own corruption - which still doesn´t make sense in all to suddenly happen just because of his own free-will and well that kinda contradicts Eru Illuvatar´s intentions or made his more complex as doing an utilitarian contrasting purpose to make Good TO STAND OUT of its own against something opposite of it: a usual philosophical POV regarding Evil´s nature meaning as the proper reason why to make Good being appreciated furtherlymore than if there wasn´t any trouble or obstacle to overcome and learn/grown-up after it, which is a GREATER purpose after all, and well Illuvatar´s statement against Melkor´s irruption seems to explain that OR to think faster and readapt himself into unexpected irruptions from something OUTSIDE his planing to rearrange order once more!
But of course if something else actually meddle on a little after causing Melkor´s corruption, and then the creation and intrusion of things as Ungoliant and the Nameless Things of Moria, this might imply Eru Illuvatar isn´t the only one alone outside of his creation or the Halls of Creation where he stands alongside the remaining Ainur which didn´t entered into Ea, and something within or behind the Void happens to be there, though Eru´s power allows to make some kind of barrier which makes unnoticeable whatever lies behind the darkness of the outer endless Void - and kinda seemed to me that Melkor got tricked as if he wen´t traveling endlessly into that Void when looking in vain for the Unperishable Flame of Creation which was only within Illuvatar himself, though he later shared a bit to Varda the Queen of Valars, and well all she did after it got that influence including the Silmarils henceforth their very special mighttiest ultimate power,, and well he maybe just was going on circles like a very little fish withing a huge crystal globe container so he actually never went out of the barrier of Eru´s protective space - and also made his own creation unnoticeable of whatever lies outside behind the invisible barrier within the Void.
However it seemed to me that someone or something did noticed Melkor´s explorations outside on the borders, and something happened an leaked within afecting him and well more after it. Whatever caused this infiltration didn´t pushed on furtherly to explore, as got lost interest on it, or the barrier got restrenghtened after that failure and repelled the intrusion, and well since it didn´t wanted to get messed on the source of that mysterious repelling force in the Void, just went away but already infiltrating a bit of its own nature opposite of Eru´s goodness within that world mainly through Melkor himself.
Besides why Eru Illuvatar kinda suddenly starts over to creating the Ainur and then the Universe later on into some time secuence after all, and hadn´t gotten up the idea earlier or later on? The state before the Ainur creation or even later on before the Ainulindale song happened to create the Universe, seems as it Eru was either meditating, thinking or actually even RECOVERING after something that could easily might have happened before, so he could easily have made his creation several times before - and might even be able to do it in the future - and was rethinking into made his creation better than before as he had done each time, hoping on to avoid it gets ruined either from within by Evil rising up without control, or by an outer attack from outside, because anyway regarless if even Eru isn´t the only one outside his creation restraining and there is actually a lot more into a macroverse type beyond him and his limits, he still might be the ONLY GOOD ONE, and well he manages to keep existing as whatever lies behind - pretty much as Lovecraftian lore-type of cosmic deities - is either AMORAL or plain wicked-evil, so he is the only one exception for that, and so... all the justifications of usual Christian lore of the Only One keeps standing on as linked on the purpose of Goodness standing out alone against everything else and thus being WORTHIEST than ever if were different, being pretty much the same as allowing the existence of the corrupted Melkor within the creation anyway.
But well these ideas might have not been known on Tolkien´s lifetime and neither he was interested on them after his dogmatic views and beliefs so he couldn´t allow to have Eru became a more complex character than he was both on the lightier and mundane avatar version of Tom Bombadill enjoying his creation in direct way, neither wanted to delve deeper on Ungoliant´s origins and true nature or about the Nameless Things of Moria, because maybe explaining more will lead into some ideas as if a third evil party messed on Eru´s creation even causing Melkor´s corruption in part, and implyied an outer and even higher power opposite to Illuvatar, thus making kinda apparently weaker or meaningless in first glance about the Godness importance or creation itself in that way, if everything was against it, instead of rethinking better the relevance of that situation, but... it seemed to me that the idea for rethinking that wasn´t very much known then, so Tolkien didn´t wanted to be messing out the posibilities and left the mysteries standing alone as thrilling unexplained anomalies to enrichened his world but he didn´t wanted to delve better on that, and thus... when someone asked about it, he just said whatever other ideas got in mind about it avoiding to acknowledge those times when he actually might have switched into deeper and complex ways of thinking but got stuck into the restrainings of his dogmatic religious beliefs and well... it was just a dead-end anomaly after all that will be ever left on mystery causing people to speculate of it and get into at odds of each other, between the people who thinks outside-the-box of it and the ones which are very much stuck into Tolkien´s lore as dogmatic on its own too.
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I look at Tom as a counterpoint to Melkor in the sense that Melkor was the principle of the discordant music. By the time of the Hobbits and the LOTR stories, discord was the majority song, but there must always be a presence of harmony or the song dissolves into chaos. Tom is that harmonious presence.
Bombadil is an anagram of ‘ mad bilbo’ - this helps explain how he fits in and what he is.
The real question should be: Why is Tom Bombadil? (in the story). Because the ring has no power over him, he shows we can be truly free of attachment. This is hope and help for Frodo on the way. The more serious we take stuff and it's assumed properties the more we are prisoners of it. (This product makes you free, this one beautiful, this ideology or religion saves you, etc). Hence Tom is a message for all of us.
Probably why they cut him out of the movies - the concept that some creatures on Middle Earth could be immune to the power of the Ring(s) was too complicated for the movie audiences.
@@radicalcartoons2766 Yes, and one more soft scene so early might feel too much. But yes, I fully agree. But I think because of this: The Ring Is Very Serious, we miss the message that staying free from addiction to power is the best way to deal with power. ;)
I think he's an "aspect" of Eru Illuvatar existing in Middle Earth the enjoy his creation.
When asked who Tom was , Goldberry only replied "he is"
Subbed. Father time/mother nature, Tom, Goldberry? That's kind of been my take on things.
My idea is that he is a personification of nature itself.
I think that Tom is a 'Maire' that didn't go to Valinor. He had control over 'Nature' in areas.
Whilst powerful and wasn't affected by the one ring, during the Council of Elrond it was suggested that the ring be given into his keeping. Gandalf argued that 1. They could not get the ring to him safely. 2. That he would not see the need to gaurd the ring safely and overtime forget about it. 3. That even he couldn't withstand the forces of Mordor 'He would the last as he was first!' (Words to that effect).
Tom was Illuvatar playing with itself, just for fun. That's what I'd do, just for joy.
The real-world origins of the character aside, I've always taken the view that creatures like Tom, Goldberry, Ungoliant and so forth are unintended consequences of Melkor's discord in the Ainulindale, or perhaps just unforeseen consequences regardless of what Melkor did.
I see all other spiritual beings of Tolkien's universe, beginning with the Valar, to be incomplete in and of themselves. This leaves them vulnerable to the seduction of power because there are things out of their control. Bombadil, on the other hand, if complete, will not feel the will to power. I remember, at the end of the Ainulindalë, Eru laughs for much the reason that Bombadil laughs and is unconcerned. Eru is complete, Bombadil is complete. Regarding Tom's tiny domain, he still receives news from round about and can thus enjoy his creation as it unfolds.
Interestingly the Shire remains unknown to the forces of evil. Almost as if it were hidden like Gondolin. Saruman appears to be ignorant of Bombadil on his borders during the scouring of the Shire.
I think that Bombadil represents the contemplative, monastic life. Tolkien was Catholic, and Catholicism recognises a way of living that dissociates one from the world and it’s pursuits in order to embrace the contemplative life in an authentic community. Bombadil is no monk (I agree with this author’s analysis), but he fills that space in the legendarium.
It’s telling that Gandalf intends to visit with Bombadil for a good period of time at story’s end; he is “making a retreat” in Bombadil’s “monastery”.
Tom is a bard from another dimension. A character from a different tale. Tolkein's reality becomes much looser and playful the more you zoom out. What the characters experience as reality is simply a song from Eru and Tom, like the reader, peered in from another place to hear it be sung. I think Tolkein likes to nod at the fact that these are characters in a story, their story is within our story, and that perhaps this keeps going on ad infinitum. Maybe there are Toms within our realm, beings from elsewhere content with witnessing the opera of existence and enjoying creation for creation's sake. Don't you, as a reader, hop around to different worlds tending to your forest of imagination?
I like how the universe is a song, and our quantum interpretation describes reality as a function of frequencies. Vibrating strings projecting existence. Dude was ahead of the curve.
If one puts the clues together, an answer forms. The simple answer is Tom Bombadil is the author himself, Tolkein. Both Tolkein and Tom were there at the creation of Middle Earth. Both control and have immunity of what happens in Middle Earth. The comparisons ate compelling.
If he were a Maiar, he would have been affected by the ring. But it was a useless trinket to him. He was beyond its influence.
I stand by my headcanon that he existed before the Valar, before the song, probably part of an earlier creation of Iluvatar (I believe the same of Ungoliant and the nameless things). He just entered Arda when it was created, and made it his home.
I always wonder about the circumstances of his meeting dwarves. It seems odd they'd venture into a forest like his.
But the Old Forest was utilised by the Shire Hobbits. They wouldn't have even thought of it as a route out, if they hadn't used it for generations in the past. Maybe Tom was of an older race of Hobbits. His house was certainly designed exactly to make them feel comfortable.
i thought that Tom was the embodiment of satisfied contentment; individually, satisfaction and contentment allow us to continue on with life, but together they give us the ability to continue on past life. one who is both satisfied and content can never be manipulated, will never feel the need to change, and thus exists outside of the natural order of evolution.
I'm currently going through the books and I just got to Bree, and I wondered if Tom was some kind of god, when he put on the ring and it did nothing to him, to Frodo putting on the ring disappearing and Tom's the only one in the room who can still see him.
I believe he is a being created when the world was sung into being and remembered how to create other things through his own singing. Like the dark being Melkor sang into being so was he but as a counterpoint to them.
Good ups.
I take a non lore approach.
The shire is our youth.
The Ring is adult responsibilities.
The trek to Mordor is youth being forced to grow up and face hardships.
Tom is the youth that never grew up.
Eru Illùvatar is Tom Bombidill in a certain regard. Notice the same letters are in each name. Tolkien said he was his first character. So in a way it may even be a stand in for Tolkien.
I thought I heard someone tell me that Token wrote himself into the series as Tom ? Don’t know if it’s true, I don’t remember who told me, but someone said some thing like that.
As a Faroese it surprized me that he's called Forn to the dwarves, as that literally means ancient in Faroese.
This is mainly due to the inspirations Tolkien took. As it concerns the name "Forn", Tolkien took this from the word in Old Norse.
I'm happily surprised to see that word survive unaltered in both shape and meaning into present-day Føroyskt
Father Time and his wife Mother Nature.
He was the hero of bedtime stories Tolkein used to tell his children. He's a transplant from another story board. That doesn't make him a god, it makes him meta.
I've long thought Tom might be a cameo appearance of the author himself who was clearly present before Middle Earth. But then he seemed to identify with Beren, so I don't know.
I know what Tom Bombadil is! He is…….
A merry fellow.
I think he is the representation of nature. Unstopable force that can never be controlled.
From my understanding of this character he's not good or bad he's neutral he balances out all things in the forest
I think Tom is Eru. Or rather an aspect of him, he is the creator and infinitely complex being so i dont think its too hard to imagine that he made an aspect of himself that walks the earth. Cause i dont think he is just sitting in the timeless halls doing nothing. Multi task is not a difficulty for him id imagine.
Tom is the Universe embodied.
Tom Bombadil was before any of the fiction, a plaything, a doll for Tolkien's children, which eventually became his first character. That is why Tom is "oldest". He is the prototype character, the first fictional being Tolkien envisioned. As for "what" he is in so far as the fiction is concerned? I don't think he is a Maya. Because they are like the Valar, actually, because we KNOW their names. There was not an endless amount of them, with new ones just cropping up, their numbers were finite, as they were all connected with the Valar, lesser beings, subordinates of the great spirits. In the fiction, I actually believe that Bombadil is a manifestation of wild nature. He exists outside of the constraints of the Valar of nature [I forget her name] and came to be as the world began, he just "began" as he is, was and has always been. Insofar as the ring, it can have no affect on Tom Bombadil. He is "like" a Maya but not quite, and since he is as I stated, a manifestation of wild nature, rings of power have no concern to him. Although even Tom admits that should all other things fail, he too would be overcome by the darkness, which is exactly what would happen to wild nature if the Dark Lord got his way, and brought all things under his control. [which is Suarons plan, and the plan of his ancient master, Melkor]
He is the oldest of the living sentient beings in the world. What created the world was the music of the Ainur, and Illuvatar proclaimed it into being....Thematically, and in sequence, the Ainur sang a song of the start, middle. and finish of all Arda in a single piece of music.
We know Tom Bombadil is the first of life sentience of Arda. Therefore, I can only conclude that he is the living avatar of the world of middle earth. His being is the representation of the first movements of all the Ainur singing the music for the delight of Iluvatar. He is the embodiment of the idea of Arda complete....before Melkor tried to take over.
I cracked your code JRR! and you found it silly nobody knew it outright.
He is a manifestation of the spirit of the world.
Did he eventually leave middle earth?
I want to know what would happen if Ungoliant encountered and tried to devour Tom Bombadil. Would he just casually take off his boot and squish the big annoying bug?
Tom is just a great guy.
I belive he is the opposite of the nameless things from the depths. They were created from the discord in the song of creation and Tom/Goldberry were instances of perfect harmony in the song. That would fit his power(Balrog was cautious of the nameless things) and his great age.
I always just thought of him as the opposite to Ungoliant. She craves all the light and the world, he does not.
I'm not sure now but I think I read in the book Morgoths ring, Tolkien made it clear that Illuvatar could not possibly enter his creation. So that rules out any ideas of Tom being God.
He’s the first slave made by Sauron’s people by mix breading several groups that turned out how the breeders wanted, smart enough to do the work, old enough to keep people in check, by being able to pass himself off as ancient one with little quips and quotes, as well as weak enough never to question their motives for fear of torture, rape, death, etc. Therefore everyone is supposed to leave him alone while the Orc armies assimilate, rape and/or kill their way through all of earth to create more people like tom bombadi so the slavers can put themselves in charge of the world’s people and resources. He is also used as a spy by Sauron’s people to gain intelligence on areas they put him in while seemingly arguing with Sauron and the orca make no mistake he is of the same group…
Tom Bombadil is an outlier. Someone that was always there in the Void that decided to enter Arda. There is one character / entity that is completely overworldly and very incongruous in Arda: Ungolient, a great sentient spider who devours light.
Thus Tom's origins, like Ungolient's, cannot be precisely explained. Just like Ungolient.
People talk alot about the mystery of Tom Bombadil, but I see an even bigger mystery: what is Goldberry, the River's Daughter? Goldberry fits even less into the world and defies any categorization.
I suppose that if Tom was Tolkien Goldberry could be Tolkien's wife. A little like a sort of Beren and Luthien out of time. Sorry for my bad english but Tom and Goldberry are the persons I prefer in all the story and the night dreams were very important too.
Tom and Goldberry remind me of Adam and Eve if they hadn't been cast out, or if they were allowed back into paradise. They have everything they need.
He's Keith Richards. Tom Bombadil is Keith Richards.
Isn't it obvious? The blue glow from his eyes? He's a Fremen.
Could he be the opposite of nameless things? Like the light/good/just version of them
Man that’s what I was thinking! I mean it makes sense if they were made by the clashing of the music that at least one part of melkor’s and aule’s songs would harmonize.
I do like the videos justificaron by saying that Tom is completely satisfied though, that was something I never thought about
I don't think we should spend too much time trying to explain Tom Bombadil. I think he's just a crossover character, tossed in for fun, without any deeper consideration.
Could Tom Bombadil and Radagast be "kindred spirits" ? Both love living amongst the nature and animals, on their own; mostly secluded from the outside world.. Regarding on Hobbit nor Lord of the Rings the two didn't ever meet during these events (don't know if Tolkien had wrote letters on Tom and Radagast meeting each-other thought..)
The difference between them is that Radagast is much more... "hands-on" than Tom. But the idea of these two meeting (which technically is possible, since the Old Forest is right in between the Grey Havens where the Istari arrived, and Rhosgobel) is just AMAZING!
I always theorize he is a creation of Melkor. Like not like ungoliant or the dragons. But the personification of Morgoth’s “positive,” power. He originally Melkor was neither good nor evil and he knew shame and joy so he had a conscience. His will came from hatred and malice. Kind of piccolo to kami.
I think he is Illuvator and have said this , on other Forums and Comment Sections.
He is simply Tom Bombadil an "easter egg" for tolkiens real life children!
Ive always had a theory about him. If the coruption of the music created some of the bad/evil things in the world, then why couldnt an off good note create a good being like Tom.
Tom Bombadil is the incarnation of the song iluvatar sung itself. He was the first, he is more powerful than the istary yet unaffected by the ring of power itself, and iluvatar himself had no incarnation.
Tom Bombadil is "an intellectual challenge" devised by Tolkien for himself. If Tom is going to stay true to himself and his origin then how should he be portrayed if he appears in LotR ? He existed before Tolkien discovered that he was going to write an adult novel where there will be complex choice around evil and treachery. Hence Tom can't grasp such concepts nor can he be influenced by them. He came from a world where that stuff didn't exist so he is untouched by it. The analogy would be the film "Pleasantville" where the characters were completely unaware of sex, color, double beds etc and lived happily but naively/innocently without such things.
Why have like 30 content creators all done Tom in the past few days?!?!!?!
Tom Bombadil's existence is inevitable.
When a baby grows up and thinks and reacts, an ego is created. Tom Bombadil is the theme of the land (Earth) part, that is, the soul,
that was born from the Song of Creation created by Baleo under the direction of Iluvatar.
The earth is nothing at first, but when the first stream flows from it and the first oak tree grows and drops its acorns, it establishes itself by witnessing them. He remembers all of that because he is the very earth itself and the beginning of everything in the world started with him, who was made of Valya's song.
That is why he does not try to force anything and is not bound by anything. This delightful and perhaps imprudent world-soul owes no one to being born as a parent, and is itself a fully-born creature.
This incomprehensible mass is incomprehensible even to Maia Gandalf, who witnessed its birth.
Of course, that doesn't mean that Tom Bombadil is a perfect immortal being like a god. Just as humans can destroy nature, creatures can also harm Tom.
However, the weapons made by the evil creatures, especially the rings, themselves have already come from Tom, so they cannot suppress Tom or seduce him.
Therefore, Tom is no one's servant or subordinate. The fact that Strawberry calls her husband, Tom, 'master' is an ambiguous expression that her Tom is her husband and his own master.
Tom Bombadil is of the order known as the Maiar (please forgive the spelling), an order of spirits below Manwe & others.
Question: Was it ever stated that all the Ainur became Valar or Maiar?
The opposite was stated: some of the Ainur descended into Eä and became the Valar and Maiar. But a great many of Ainur still reside with Eru
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@@MysteriesOfWesternesse Excellent analysis and discussion.
Thank you very much as well. And we're happy to see so many people, such as yourself, discussing their own ideas on the matter.
Tom would have loved this 😄
I just figured Tome was the flesh personification of the creator God Eru Iluvitar, which is why the "One Ring" had no effect on him since Eru has all power in the universe already so the ring had nothing to offer. Eru was also uncorruptable so the ring couldn't do that either. Why would Tom be worried about the One Ring when it could do nothing to or for him. He was happy in his forest doing his thing because whatever the outcome of the deal with the one ring he was unaffected because he is above it all & nothing would change for him either way.
Unlike how if Sauron won it would effect Gandalf & Radagast & the rest of the people in the world Tom is exempt from all that & so it doesn't matter to him who wins because in the end (the very End) he wins anyway. Nothing can stop him, nothing to affect him, nothing can enslave him, nothing can over power him not even Sauron & he knows this that's why he's happy doing his thing in his forest he cares for. Everything under his care is also safe from whatever comes because they are under the protection of the most powerful thing in existence the creator God.
Well, that settles that! Now. Who or what is Goldberry? 🤔
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