NOT Good! $10,138.86 In Damages! Ford F250 F350 F450 6.7l Diesel Fuel System injector Contamination
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When you drained the filter I thought it looked a bit clear/thin to be diesel. Thought it might be water but gas is probably worse.
I was thinking the same thing -- that diesel is more oily than that.
@@BixbyConsequence Lol, I was typing that then I saw your comment. Clear diesel always seems a bit suspect.
Also, I'll be amazed if Ford pays a red cent for any of this.
Totally agree
@@CobaltLobster they aren't going to pay a penny to warranty that vehicle. It's the customers fault you can't put the wrong fuel in vehicles it never ends well when that happens.
Yeah, I had this weird feeling when I saw it leaking that it didn't at all look like what I expected. I kinda did a double take thinking, they did say it was diesel, right?
Being in the gasoline business for 30 years. I've seen the transport drivers put fuel in the wrong storage tanks at the gas station many times. It's possible the driver dumped unleaded in the diesel tank in this case. The customer should go back to the location he filled up at and see if others have complained. Most of the time the transport company will cover the cost of repairs. If the customer used a credit card when they filled up. Their receipt should indicate which pump they used while filling up. Some receipts show the type of fuel, but the price they paid per gallon should be enough to tell if they were on a diesel pump or not.
It's easy to do in the winter when the lids are covered. I did that job for 2 weeks and NEVER again. The interview didn't seem like that much manual labor, but connecting and disconnected giant valves to load the trailer are not easy at all. I was highly surprised how hard that job is.
Good bit of info 👍
This is a good point too...
that happened at a local station here a couple years back. were getting lots of reports of bad gas, fouind out later they put the wrong product in the wrong underground tanks
I've never heard of that happening and all fills were supervised where I worked to ensure the correct tank and quantity as shown on the truck's flow meter was noted on the receipt we got. The only issue we had was cracked underground tanks where water seeped in after very heavy rains.
Looks like they need to invest in at least one tire also
Yep, DoT out of service
I was looking at those wonderful tires too, love how well they maintain that truck.
I was thinking the same about that tire! Don't you guys have DOT inspections down there in Florida?
@@christophermeyer6414 Actually, no. There is no requirement neither for annual vehicle inspection and nor for emmision testings. The only requirement really is that a vehicle must have functioning lights.
@@oswaldpeter I believe I saw Hazard Material placard holders on the box, if carring Haz-Mat needs DOT inspection, just saying.
I saw an "individual of limited intelligence" back when I worked for the Mart of Wal, that decided to unlawfully remove a fuel container off the back of a tow truck, run to their car and empty the contents into their gas tank, run the yellow container back to the tow truck before leaving in a hurry. The car started fine and was running well until the were in line for their escape. The car rather quickly started smoking and running quite rough as they gunned it to get to speed for the roadway. All I could do was watch and think, that bit of ill-gotten fuel just cost you more than you know..... bad day for that rhodes scholar.
I used to keep gas cans in the bed of my 74 F100. A 5 gallon with water and and 2 gal with gas. Both were red. The reason for more water than gas was my radiator was slightly leaking and I couldn’t afford to replace it at that time. I can out of work one day and as I got in my truck, I saw a folded piece of paper with a $10 bill inside under my wipers.
The note said, “I used the gas in the cans, but all I had was $10.” When I checked the cans, sure enough, both were empty. I kind of laughed for a second but then I felt really bad that someone may have ruined their motor with the water. I labeled the containers and chained them up instead of using the tie downs I used before. In the end, I just figured that’s what you get for taking someone else’s stuff without checking as to what it is.
They found out who was stealing fuel at a place I used to work at that way. Someone kept emptying a Jerry can that was for a gas powered "Startall" battery booster. The boss found out real quick when he filled it 3/4 with water
@GhostDrummer Man, image if the guy was at least honest enough to take only the 2 gallons, as that's what those $10 could buy.
not sure if you know this but diesel wont cause to much damage to a gas car you can use it as a fuel injector cleaner
He tried to upgrade to diesel power
I've had 2 shops tell me they won't work on my truck because their lift is too light to lift my truck. I appreciate you crawling under a truck to fix it. Just damn. I'm a plumber and if I told my customers I wasn't crawling under their sink to fix a leak, I'd be out of business. Good job! And you have good character.
You should find a mechanic with a pit, if possible talk to an ambulance driver they're in the same boat the vehicle is too heavy for even heavy duty lifts. Crawling under a truck for a mechanic could be a serious work place safety issue, may or may not be classified as a "confined space" in some states/countries too.
I am no mechanic - don't even have a car but how about an INSPECTION PIT ?
ITS DOING THE NOISE CAUSE ITS CHARGING THE FUEL FILTERS U HAVE TO DO THAT KEY CICLE 7 TIMES AFTER REPLACING EVERY FILTER
I had to laugh when you brought up the warranty thing.
No manufacturer covers stupidity.
Anxiously waiting for Pt.2+
And have a wonderful New Year.
Only chance is to remove all the evidence and plead ignorance. Drain all the lines and the tank, replace the filters and fill it with diesel. Then drive it over to Ford and see what happen. Obviously the warranty will never cover misfuelling, but there is a chance the technician might not realise or care.
Some insurances will cover Def in the fuel tank. I've seen insurance cover a cracked engine case on a motorcycle from an over torqued drain plug. Depends on insurance. Definitely waiting on part 2
He screwed 🤷♂️
@@TruthTortoise81 I am no diesel guy but from what I understand gasoline in a diesel that engine is lucky to still be in one piece.
@@IBenZik Meh... petrol will destroy the high pressure fuel pump as it does not have the lubricating properties of diesel. Then you have the issue of those tiny shards of metal from the fuel pump eating itself making their way into the fuel injectors which again, don't like running on petrol. The rest of the engine is probably ok though.
The way the "diesel" looked draining out of the filter at the tank, looked like the viscosity of water.
Petrol sounds about right.
I mean that is the water/fuel seperator on the bottom of the truck, so if it looks like water that's because it probbaly is 😂 but doesn't change the fact there's also gas in the tank lol
sounds... i think a mechanic can tell the diff in noise between diesel and gasoline; he should;
--- sounds is the right word: gas in a running diesel **sounds** WAY different, it knock, after the diesel in the filters and lines gets consumed and the gasoline gets to those pistons....can't miss it
yeah,seen that a few times, you SAVE the engine and the injection system IF you shut it off right away when the big knocking appears (is your radio off '? LOL) and have it towed, but few do that,most toast the engine; that is one the reasons why most pumps (All of them in Europe) went to self-service.
Idk how you can be in the auto repair business for 20 years, and he didn’t notice the difference all those times it was coming out. The smell is totally different, the consistency, the way it feels between your fingers.
@@ObservationofLimits That's what I was thinking. It was perfectly clear, didn't have the yellow tinge. The smell is completely different. We can't feel if it is oily, though.
I guess you missed the part where he says he can't smell real well still because of covid.
Employees scatter as Ray suddenly appears demanding someone "smell this!"
Cause normally that phrase precedes a loud fart, not trying to differentiate gas/diesel.
Lol
That's great
"We're not falling for that again, Ray, smell it yourself ya filthy animal!"
:D :D :D
Since he took it to a different shop other than the dealer the owner knew what had happened, you don't take a vehicle under factory warranty to another shop.
That's what I was thinking. Why wouldn't they have taken it to the dealer from the start..
@@lilmike2710 because most of the time the dealer will not fix the problem even when under warranty they will tell you that they fixed the problem and it not be fixed and only last 3 weeks then u have the same problem again better to take it to a mechanic you trust and let them take care of it
I don't know... After the dealer seriously screwed up a warranty repair and then indicated they changed the oil and filter under the warranty program but in fact did not as verified by another shop I stopped taking my car to the dealer while under warranty and just paid for my own service.
But in this case, yes. One of his guys put gas in it.
Not necessarily true. Yes the engine and fuel system is covered under warranty, but it is possible they didn't have a clue what was causing it and wanted an initial diagnosis before pursuing warranty claims. Dealers charge for a diagnosis. Not all private shops do.
He probably did something to violate the warranty
Rule Number 1: no matter how embarrassing you may think it is, tell the mechanic what you did to break your vehicle. The bill will be smaller in the end
How many times have we seen damage that is clearly caused by some numb nuts doing something stupid and then "customer states" funny noise after "the other shop replaced my brake pads "the other day" or something like that. I have been appalled at some of the DIY jobs that "the other shop" did. Maybe an IQ test for car ownership too? In this case I think you would have Buckleys chance of any warranty when a quick inspection would show misfueling related damage that they "forgot" to mention. Those common rail systems really need all the lubricity of the diesel fuel and in the fuel industry, 1/1000 dilution with gasoline is not acceptable so this system is toast!
Or there is gasoline in the diesel tank at the gas station.
When you were draining the filter I knew it wasn't straight diesel. It didn't look right. Without the benefit of smell it looked like water.
I wondered how hot it was, but you are right, it can’t be that hot
Which filter. The lower filter is supposed to drain water from it. That's what the yellow tab is for. You drain it once a month to drain water from your fuel....
It’s a water drain and also a drain for servicing the filter assembly. But yea that was way to clear and way to much to be just water.
Yeah, that viscosity looked rather watery.
Well spotted.
my first thought aswell but im not from the US and dont know if the color of diesel is different there.. in the netherlands is yellow-ish and stinks realy bad compared to gasoline.
Props to Ray for carrying us through what seems to be an end of the year content break for a lot of TH-camrs
GOAT
mad props!
Bruh, Markiplier.
Okay, now where is my part 2? ;)
On serious note, production must go on :)
"aahh it's on my face!"
We run a whole fleet of F550's and having drained water out of the fuel filter many times, that definitely didn't look like diesel coming out. Cool video and look forward to seeing part 2 where Ford declines warranty as warranty doesn't cover stupid
I thought the nose of the thingy that goes into the thingy that diesel comes out of will only fit diesel's, How Does someone make a mistake like that?? I had a much beloved 1986 diesel Oldsmobile custom cruiser station wagon. Loved that wagon and long trips. You have to keep the filters changed.
@@foxiedogitchypaws7141 Gas nozzles are smaller than diesel nozzles... Gas will go into diesel, but typically not the other way around...
Perhaps they need to employ someone who can read "diesel only" on the filler cap.
@@andrewlaw Or put it in umpteenbazillion language translations so as to not offend anyone.........
@@foxiedogitchypaws7141 Good point, never owned a diesel but have noticed the diesel at the pump does not have all that vapor recovery BS and is a much smaller nozzle than the gas nozzle.
Careful with condemning the in tank pump solely off sound. This pump pulls out of the tank, through the panel fuel filter and back into the tank before pressuring the fuel and sending it to the engine. Gasoline commonly vaporizes in the supply side of a diesel and can cause a pump to sound like this. I would drain the tank and reset the fuel system perimeters before any other repairs.
Tuetyeiuersy
Tetet353tr
FYI. An easy and safe way to test for gasoline in diesel is to fill a styrofoam cup half way and see if the cup melts away. If so. You have gas in the diesel.
Great content. Keep it up.
Great info. Better than using a lighter.
@@georgeburns7251 🤣
@Xang Her Lmfao, I remember doing that in my teens
Are you talking polystyrene (used for cups) or true Styrofoam (the hard, brittle stuff used as base in decorative Christmas wreaths)?
And you have napalm too! 😆
Ray: “this is highly dangerous, and I am a trained professional, as some may say” *sets asphalt on fire*
Also Ray: *stomps fire out* “I’m also a fireman”
😆🤣
Yeah of course 😂🤣
"Don't try this at home, I'm a trained professional." (throws lighter at asphalt)
😂
When fuel was coming out of the filter housing I thought it looked a little clear for diesel.
Ditto. Diesel has a higher viscosity than petroleum and doesn’t “splash” to the same degree.
@@flowntn1989 true also the diesel filters i have done have always had a blueish tint in the diesel
I thought the same after seeing your comment, but also thought that Ray would have instantly noticed the difference in smell if the fuel were mostly gasoline.
The 'Rona apparently strikes again.
I noticed that too, but I don't work on diesel cars so I thought that was just me.
@@rotary_turbo99 Some have a red tint….🤣😂🤣
Good morning Ray, as a former Ford service manager and warranty manager I can promise you they won't do a thing.
Nor should they, tbh.
Had a friend try to claim warranty on a Samsung tablet with a smashed screen, I laughed my ass off when they said they were going to make a warranty claim, then told them how much i'd charge to replace the screen, a week later I was replacing the screen....
Yep. Damage from fuel contamination is specifically not a warranty matter. Also, I’ll bet he plans on driving it to the Ford dealer. No way that’s going to hurt anything...
They won't help on legitimate issues of course they won't help on anything else.
You mean the warranty doesn't cover DA? 🤣
Definitely want an update on this one. Every time I feel down on myself I compare myself to your customers and I feel much better about myself.
Paul i put def in the tank. That should make your day. Luckily my insurance covered it . 12k mistake.
@@steakhouseinc oh damn!
@@steakhouseinc Good on you for admitting your mistake. It happens to the best of us.
Oh, Paul. Careful. You're begging for some karma.
Makes me real glad I drive a 2000 Cummin 5.9 which is repairable without cost an arm n leg AND doesn't NEED repairing very often. 300k miles
This reminded me of when I did a similar thing but the other way round. I had a 72' utility V8 (Aussie workhorse) with a roll of carpet in the back. Just as I pulled in to fill up it started raining and in my haste, I didn't want the carpet to get ruined, I grabbed the diesel pump by mistake and started filling. I'd put maybe 10 ltrs (2 1/2 galls) before I realised. I stopped and filled it with petrol. It was rough and smokey when accelerating and changing gears but came good after a couple of tank refills. I don't know if I would have got away with that with these new modern engines. Oh, and good luck to your customer with trying to get Ford to help out.
I don't know what to say about this one. When I saw the fuel ignite I knew how bad it was. Would have loved to see what the internals looked like.
Drain the tank, flush the lines and replace the lift pump. I know on Toyota’s it takes a fair amount to damage the seals/components in the high pressure pump and injectors and seeing how its still running I’d say you’d be fine. Just don’t sit there with the car running when you know there’s petrol in it, definitely making it worse
Toyotas are tough... Ford on the other hand.....
When a Fix Or Repair Daily meets a snag it aint ever gonna end up as good as a Toyota.
@@alastairsellars2611 yea that shit is fucked from factory
@@alastairsellars2611 Brand doesn't matter. If you have a diesel engine it will have a high precision high pressure injection pump + injectors. Those have to have been made of strong metal orherwise it wouldn't be able withstand 1000psi+ injection pressures while lasting 250k miles or more.
The real problem here is operator error. You might get lucky if the engine hasn't been running on that gasoline /diesel mixture for long. Also, the less gasoline in the tank, the bigger the chance that the pump and injectors have survived.
@@Speedy6617 or Find On Road Dead
I swear to God... when you were talking at the beginning of the video, I could have sworn you had a woman sitting next to you in the passengers seat. The purple cloth leaning on the front of the seat looked like a woman's leg and her foot was visible, I thought you were trying to avoid recording her presence LOL I need a beverage.
Don't feel bad , I saw the same thing and had to go back and check . We'll drink one together .
Make that three of us…very strange
@@terrycostakis6284 five us now
@@mikemcguire8351 make it 6
I think you need more than a beverage LMAO 🤣😂
Great video, Ray. Appreciate how open you are with your thinking. For us armchair mechanics, it's refreshing to know that you scratch your head a bit too, with diagnosing things.
Great work, I use to be a Ford mastertech for near 10 years in Australia and this happens more than you think, but it's about a $20,000 repair, and the customers always demand it is a warranty job, once the petrol goes through the system starts to machine it's self due to the very fine tolerances in the high pressure pump and it wrecks the hole fuel system, keep up the great work
My father had the Ford filter come apart and send fibers through out the system. Ford offered to replace the filter. We ended up becoming diesel mechanics. 400000 miles on the engine before it took that last ride.
diesel will stand 20% petrol. but not, every day.ausie.
Yeah...when he put the lighter to it and it went up, that was a definite "oh no" moment. Diesel cannot be ignited with a lighter like that.
The flashpoint of Diesel fuel is 126F. I imagine the asphalt can get pretty hot in the Florida sunshine.
@@fascistpedant758 still will not light up like that
yeah hot diesel will light. but the flame is more rolling and slow
Green cap should be black lol
You can drop a match into liquid gasoline and it'll go out. Same with diesel. Vapor is what you're igniting, if it catches flame/fire.
One of my drivers put gasoline in our 2014 duramax a few years ago, luckily he realized before he fired it up. Had it towed to a shop tank drained and back on the road 🤣
My dad did the same to my diesel Colt after getting distracted with a phone call at the pump. Fortunately he realised what he’d done before firing it up too. Pushed the car out of the way, called a friend and drained and dropped a tank right there at the station.
If you catch it right away, replace filters, blow out lines and flush the tank it should be OK. Once the gas soaks into the components and the injectors run unlubricated its too far gone.
@@jimzivny1554 if you catch it and don't prime the system...no need to even change filters.
Great video Ray. Yes it would be good to see some more diesel engine fault finding videos. There doesn't seem to be many light duty vehicle diesel videos out there.
Honestly.
Ray, when you’re priming the fuel filter after changing it out with f250s you’re supposed to let it cold start 6 times, 30 seconds a piece (until the fuel pump turns off). It drains the air in the system through it’s one way valve. At least this is true for my 2011 6.7, not sure about the newer models. Could be contributing to that gargling noise from the fuel pump. Obviously this truck has way more issues than that but it’s just a piece of advise for the future.
It's rather interesting how 'special' a diesel job seems to be to this audience, over here in the UK it's very common place, as in about 30-40% of cars in the UK are diesel, including one of mine.
I've also seen the whole petrol in a diesel thing many a time before and it's true it does a very good job of ruining your customer's day. Diesel in a petrol not so bad, and supposedly impossible although people manage it somehow.
here the government seems to not want diesel they tax the heck out of it and make ridiculous emissions requirements. Volkswagen got in big trouble trying to cheat the emissions and wound up with a big fine
Customers are so funny 🤣 I've fooked my fuel system with petrol is it covered under warranty 🤣😂🤣
ha ha ha.. not wrong.... good luck customer... you are cooked if you think Ford will cover that expensive stuff up.
Yes Ford , I just ran my new truck into a wall , could you please warranty all the damages .
Regardless of how good my day has been, it's far better than the one the owner of that truck is having. It's actually surprisingly easy to make this mistake when you have to fill lots of different vehicles. I pump diesel, low octane, and high octane (my own vehicle) and I can tell you that at the end of a long day, it's way too easy to lift the wrong nozzle at the pump. More than once I've caught myself reaching for the wrong one out of habit.
Oh, and Ford aren't going to come to this particular party. Their duty of care ended at the "diesel fuel only" sticker on the filler.
ETA: you know, I was thinking that fuel looked a bit thin for diesel, but I managed to disregard it as an illusion of the camera. The smell would be a dead give-away however. Ray's sense of smell must have really been messed up by his bout of 'rona. I hope he gets it back fully (some do not).
I agree, it wasn't intentional nor neglect. I would presume the owner got a lapse of judgement or got distracted at the pump then reached for the wrong Hose.
Yeah, i thought the "fuel" looked a bit too clear and runny, and after having the rona myself over Thanksgiving, my taste didn't totally go away, but everything tasted like copper, my smell came back but notice "sweet" smells are stronger, but "pungent" smells like my work boots, fish, certain petroleum vehicle fluids (aka diff fluid) are weaker.
Who knows where he last filled up, it could have been contaminated fuel at the station. Not the first time. Usually owners don't make the mistake, but a new person driving the truck could fill it with gas. I'm betting on bad fuel from the station tank. Doesn't matter, Ford isn't going to cover it.
6 months ago, i also had "the Rona", i still can't smell anything really, and food has been reduced to texture
I also laughed when he said the customer is goin to see if Ford will cough up some cash for the repair. Good luck with that one, particularly in light of the tire(s) and the other evidence of a lack of concern for the vehicle😊
Warranty 🤣. I'm a plumber and I had a customer ask me the same thing after her dog ate her faucet, she called me to see if Moen would cover it for her.
I thought the fuel looked awfully clear when you were draining the filter. At first I thought water, but now I think you are right about the gasoline.
I thought the same
Would be interesting to know the percentage of gasoline to diesel.
No gas smell?
@@jeffreylight2454 He said his nose isn't up to snuff--he had the coronavirus a while ago, and his sense of smell is still affected.
Me also--I also thought it was too clear (not a hint of green), but I've heard that some diesel is like that (that is, some diesel is very clear, with almost no tint).
That's not just a top-up, that's mainly petrol, I have worked on this problem too many times here in the UK, and like you said Ray it's a complete fuel system strip down and replacement, also the ECG valve and most of the sensors will need testing replacing. Good job, and this will not be cheap.
yep if it was just a top up they might be good to go with just a tank flush
Happy New Year Ray! So glad I stumbled across your channel, Its awesome to hear a positive vibe every time, along with in-depth troubleshooting and step by step explanation of the repairs. If you got a moment, please ship me some of that warm weather (its currently -29C/-20F... near Winnipeg, Canada 🥶☃️❄️)
Probably wants that bald rear tyre under warranty as well
The cordless ratchet is a great tool in 1985 when I started everything was done by hand and you get a bolt where a 1/4 turn is all you do it takes forever to do a repair
Sadly soon all combustion cars and trucks including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-(
In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025
on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Car washs will be forbidden too because they are climate killers, now they want to slow down all the gas station pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime.!!! (BABVVEN & TEBBVEN & BEFVO laws)!!!!!
Ford ~ Found On Ray's Doorstep!!
noticed the inner rear tyre was way past its wear limit when you retrieved your lights @12:10
Looks like a remould delaminating as well 🤐
There's also a highly corrosive substance on the frame that can be seen around the @24:00 mark lolol
I don't see why Ford wouldn't cover it under warranty, Heck I reckon if he asked real nice they would do the tyres at the same time,
@@jannie4303 It is not appreciated you posting this on this channel go post this somewhere else BTW your username has been reported and perhaps they will cancel your account
I could smell the gas when you were draining the filter.
As someone who changes their fuel filters regularly on a 6.7 -- 30 seconds a pop for the key on, six times. Looks like in vain on this one. Great video as always!
Dying low pressure fuel pump.
Also never spray WD-40 on your cousin's shop rag sticking out of his back pocket and light it with a lighter in your uncle's shop, just because he handed you a live condenser. Only a trained professional like myself should attempt such things. 🤪 Great Video
Oooo the old live condensor trick.... good one, only when you are Not the recipient
@@hyperchuk You ggggg-got that right! 🤪Another TERRIBLE trick to play is the old acetylene in an antifreeze jug prank. BOOM! That'll get your attention. It might also get the fire department's attention, followed by the police department's attention. Yeah, I would NEVER do something like that...again. 😳
So many things are a lot funnier when it happens to someone else. It is a true test of humanity to be able to laugh in the face of other's adversity.
@@texhunter1820 Well I was on both ends of the pranking. It was more a matter of who could out prank who. Don't give it if you can't take it. The practical jokes I was a victim of and took part in were all done in a spirit of fun. I must say the boomers were made before 9-11. Things have changed since then. You can't say bomb on an airplane now, just ask Ben Stiller. I remember even the people who were pranked laughing it up. People back then knew how to take a joke. Of course, then same as now, there were those who took things too far. I think the best way to be is to not take oneself too seriously.
@@hyperchuk and the kids ask ...??whats a condenser ??
In the 86 I was 16 and I worked at a backstreet garage just fixing this kind of problem the uk government was pushing new car customers to diesel car's and the amount of people bringing in diesel cars full of petrol was unbelievable I cant believe how stupid some people where it was a different kind nozzle on the pump but they managed to get it in lol I am looking forward to watching this series your wife Will not believe the smell you Will bring in to house it takes ages to get it out of ya nostrils we had a separate washing machine for oily overalls and rags what boild wash but diesel smell never goase 🇬🇧🇺🇲🆒😼
Reminds me of the VW commercial where a small girl was saying BOLLOCKS throughout the entire commercial, at the end was a shot of her dad putting petrol in a car yelling BOLLOCKS with her watching in the back seat
The tag line was “VW Don’t forget it’s a diesel”
I think some UK pump nozzles are magnetic, so prevent cross fueling, but it might only apply to Ad-Blue dispensers.
I've been designing a fragrance to represent my local community. It's a blend of diesel (red), kerosene and lanolin.
The funniest I saw was the video of a blond woman trying to figure out how to pump gasoline into a Tesla. People do the dumbest things.
People haven't gotten any better. I bought a new 2012 Golf TDI (in the states...), and every time I brought it in for service they had something new to alert people to the fact that it took diesel fuel. Like plastic labes that clipped around the fill pipe. The cap already said diesel on it, and the fill pipe was already designed to only accept the larger auto diesel nozzles.
I just found your videos a few days ago and I really enjoy watching you and so I subscribed to you. you seem to make something so boring (changing oil and pouring stuff lol) become entertaining! also I really enjoy working on my own stuff and TH-cam becomes my best friend when I have questions, with that being said maybe you could do tutorials videos seeing that I'm probably not the only one that does this. I want to say thank you for taking the time out of your day to make these videos for our entertainment. Thanks again and don't forget to HAVE A GREAT DAY!!
Oh no they put Gasoline In the Diesel Tank Yikes that would also explain the long cranks and harsh starting @Rainman Ray's Repairs
"I'll TAKE it over there" . NOT "I'll BRING it over there"... arggghhh that's SO annoying... just like when someone doesn't care about something.. they'll say "i could care less".. which indicates that you DO actually care a little at least... they SHOULD say "I COULDN'T care less"...
My wife is in another town taking care of her Mom during the holidays so I'm left home alone. That means I get to have breakfast and lunch with Ray. Thanks for brightening up my day Ray!
And you arent calling, texting, and facetiming her, every second shes away? How terrible! 😂😂😂
@@samanthaeichhorn4319 I know, right? It's a particularly bad situation so she contacts me whenever she can get a few minutes and I listen... I hope 2022 turns out better.
Wait what?
@@willstrick3202 Yep
I'll leave the lunch tip since I feel like we are here together enjoying this!
Neat trick. Pour the diesel fuel into a styrofoam cup. Diesel won't eat through styrofoam, but gasoline will.
It’s harder to fine styrofoam cups these days
I hope it gets repaired here as it would be a very interesting video replacing an entire fuel system.
Just an FYI for everyone in here. You have to prime the first filter before putting the second filter in it. You turn the key on 3 times, At about 15 second intervals. You'll hear the pump running then stop. AFTER you have primed the first filter, you can then change the second filter. After changing the second filter, perform the same priming procedure. Also, when you pull the first filter out, look for metal shavings. It's a good way to diagnose a fuel grenaded system.
Look forward to part 2 of this mess. Not a cheap solution but hopefully the engine will be saved.
Did he make a part 2 ???
Even I know that petrol in a diesel will kill the fuel pump.
From what I was told, the diesel lubricates the pump. I'm going to guess that the ethanol in petrol kills all the rubber seals etc in the rest of the system.
risking cracked heads etc too as unleaded/gasoline burns at a much higher temperature than diesel.
I wonder if it was just an unforgiving mistake from the customer, or if the entire diesel tank at the gas station is compromised. Have a Happy New Year!
Inquiring minds would like to know this.
@@deweydodo6691 Yep.
I’d be more inclined to believe this to be an issue on the consumers part rather than the distributor, otherwise the locals would’ve probably heard about it
As a diesel mechanic for 15 years I bet if you drain it full with good fuel and a lift pump it’ll live for a good long while. The fact command pressure and pressure are both close tells me the cp4 is good (well as good as a cp4 can be. Balance rates in injectors can be caused by down stream NOX and O2 sensors bouncing them everywhere. Also the fact that the fuel being dumped out of the secondary filter doesn’t look like stripper glitter is a good sign (that’s a tell tale sign a cp4 shit the bed. And honestly with today’s diesel being ultra ultra low sulfur it really isn’t far off from gas in the lubricity department
I agree. Drain the tank, flush the lines and replace filters, and put in fresh diesel. Problem should clear up. If DEF was added to the fuel tank, that's a complete fuel system replacement.
Wow at all 8 cylinders Misfiring not good @Rainman Ray's Repairs
From someone that has never worked with diesel fuel - in your fire test, how would the fire have been different had it in fact been diesel fuel?
Gasoline will ignite sooner than diesel
The customer puts gasoline in a diesel vehicle…and expects a warranty repair…..??? 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Reminds me of a story my friend that works at the ford dealer told me, customer brings in a focus st with 2 bald tires and a smoked clutch and wanted warranty to pay for it lol
We've seen a similar incident with one of our company vehicles, somehow a D-max got filled up with gasoline. They made it down the road a ways before it quit. One of our other employees is a diesel tech who recommended 'dirtying' the fuel as much as possible by dumping a bunch of ATF or other oils into the fuel to try to reduce its volatility. It ended up working out, and we got several more years out of the truck before we traded it in.
Why would a diesel tech not recommend draining the tank?
Because that is step 1.
@@jimb3137 I think “diesel tech” in this situation is “the one guy in the company who owned a diesel truck as a teenager for a year”
@@jimb3137 Pretty sure it was a 'Get out of jail' option due to location and situation. Miles from the closest exit that may(not) have diesel fuel or service available, nothing to pump the tank out into, and may not have any clean diesel on the truck to put back in. But possibly had hydraulic oils, ATF, and other lubricants based on the industry that we work in. It got them down the road to the next service center to get the situation dealt with.
With all these fancy smanshy electronic sensors, you would think that someone would come up with one on diesel engines to detect the fuel type and prevent this type of damage from happening.
Yeah that or people could be taught how to use their cars/trucks
@@packerman1203 That won't prevent the problem if it was caused by the fuel tanker operator or the person loading the fuel into the tankers. Its not always caused by the car/truck owner.
@@packerman1203 Humans are not prefect. Humans make mistakes. Humans should never be your soul security factor for anything. Ever.
It seems possibly. Flex fuel cars change they way they run based on detected octane. But it's also another piece to break and probably limit operation in some way (extra strain on the engine or similar)
You can certainly add some sensor that detects fuel type, but that costs $$.
not very smart running it down with your electric tool on a plastic fuel filter housing which could easily overtighten it and crack the housing causing a leak (before knowing the issue).
I once accidentally put gas in my 12v Cummins, filled about half the tank, well I filled the rest up with diesel and went on my way. 3 years later I’m still driving the truck runs great
I knew that fuel looked too clear to get diesel. I've seen this a time or two. I wish you, that car, and the customer luck on this repair. Hopefully because it wasn't exposed very long the damages will be minimal
First thing Ford will do if its still under warranty will be to pull out a fuel test kit. There is no hope of getting this one by under the cover of warranty.
Unless the driver has everything drained out of the tank and suffers through a few weeks running the diesel through the system without telling having told Ford 1st ... ;-) It might of worked ???
Ah David, I see your a person with strong morals, and Ethics.....
I've fixed many of these scenario breakdowns with a simple tank drain, swish and refill but also running a diesel + 2 stroke mix through the system in to a looped auxiliary waste tank. Works 99% of the time if the customer hasn't driven hard or for too long.
yes ..only driven 1/4 tank .. and said he filled it recently , so I would try filters again , drain ,fill , purge route first with a disclaimer . I ran into that scenario with gas engines and that procedure worked for me 99.9 % of the time .
Exactly if it aint under warranty why replace all of it, replace whats broken if aint broken dont fix it
Lift pump is not bad drain all the gas and refill with diesel. Gas is thinner then diesel and the pump has trouble picking up the thinner fuel hence the noise coming from the lift pump and delayed start. More than likely it did not damage the high pressure pump (Cp4) but could do to the fact gas has no lubrications (oil). I have seen many people do this with no future troubles.
That's gross, that piece of injection molded electrocrap ain't worth 10 grand new.
Rainman Ray. I thoroughly enjoy your videos. I am a 70 yr old male who always wanted to be more mechanical. Now retired and living on an island in the Atlantic getting a vehicle serviced is not all that easy. My 1997 Suzuki Sidekick has been a wonderful vehicle for what I need but now it is starting to have issues. I am biting the bullet, buying a scan tool and hopefully can resolve some of the issues with out having to ship the vehicle to a mainland mechanic. By the way, I have been fortunate to have found excellent mechanics where ever I have lived. Only once did I find one who was a bad apple. He won't be getting my money again. Thanks for demonstrating your skills so we can all benefit . Take care, stay well and stay safe.
Hi Ray, I really love your videos. To find a mechanic who is totally honest is fantastic. I’m from Northern Ireland and to be fare most of our car mechanics r really good 👍
Wow, really? I wonder how Ireland has managed to have better mechanics than the very sad USA which is full of not so good mechanics
What happens when running gas through a diesel system is that it will wear the pumps and injectors.
Diesel injectors have extremely tight tolerances and the diesel fuel works as a lubricant and cooling.
How much damage depends on how much gas is in the system, the fact that it runs at all gives hope that
draining the system and refilling with diesel will fix the problem. The lift pump is making noise because it is pumping thinner fluid than designed for.
The service life of the injectors and high pressure pump may have been compromised by the lower lubrication of the gas/diesel mix, but they are a lot tougher than you think.
Before you tell me I don't know shit, I have been a diesel mechanic for 50 years.
Couldn't agree more. If it damaged the high pressure pump it wouldn't run and it would have low rail pressure codes.
My Dad owned two early 70s Volvo diesels, both station wagons. They were comfortable and good looking, both Sky Blue. The first went down after being heavily T-boned at a controlled intersection. The second was sold after it started needing $1500 in repairs every four-to-six weeks, and the one Volvo mechanic in town always had a large backlog of work. It doubled as a daily driver and his delivery vehicle for small print jobs, and Dad needed a more reliable vehicle, with lower cost of upkeep. I've never been able to understand the diesel owners who keep their engines running, idling for 30+ minutes at a time in the Texas summer heat, stinking up the area. Those Volvos started right up every time, with only a short glow plug wait in the coldest weather.
You know your stuff.
It'll be about 14k uncovered by warranty
At 12:10, you can see how badly worn the tires are. I hope the owner takes rejection well, because he's gonna hear a "f*** no!", idiot.
I just did one of those jobs last week. 2019 F250 due to DEF contamination. 2 Loong days, but not overly complicated. The worst part to me was the upper intake removal
My gut feeling is that Ford will laugh in his general direction and tell him to go far away.
Looking forward to seeing part 2,3 etc. in this series, I'll binge watch it.
Have a Happy and safe new year Ray, thank you for all the great videos.
They will politely refuse the claim .
I love not only watching your repairs, but also really appreciate your honesty and integrity. That field, like many, is a great hunting ground for predators and your genuine concern for doing the best work while saving your customers money is great to see. I am sure there are others just like you in the field, and seeing this really helps change the perception of mechanics being scam artists. Well done, and thanks for bringing us with you.
She sounds very rough and Sad @Rainman Ray's Repairs
Can i ask if the customer had left behind a False lower leg behind in the passenger footwell? Certainly looked odd..
I once accidentally put unleaded into my diesel Mazda 626 years ago... at the time I had 2 cars, the other was petrol and I was in that early-morning haze. Luckily the tank was almost empty, I realised when I had only put a half gallon in, so I stopped, paid for it, then filled the tank with diesel. I then drove it away, and treated the car gently until the next fill-up. The amount of petrol wasn't enough to cause problems. Made me pay more attention in the future.... :D
When my partner filled our diesel Fiesta with petrol and then drove it 120km, everybody said it would cost a fortune to fix it. We had it towed to a local garage who drain the the tank, put €30 of diesel in it and charged us €50 in total. 200,000km later, the car was still going strong.
They drove it 120km and no one noticed?
@@jeep146 it ran fine. My partner had put a half tank of petrol on top of a quarter tank of diesel. It wasn’t until trying to start it later that day that she realized what she had done. After it was drained and refilled, it ran fine and we had no problems further down the road.
Indirect injection diesel engines, like the Endura-D Ford Fiestas had, are way more tolerant of bad fuel than modern direct injection engines
@@rossk4167 ours was a common rail direct injection 1.4 TDCi diesel.
@@kevinmills5293 you go tlucky there was half a tank of diesel in it as little bit of gas will mix with diesel
Wife put petrol in our diesel car but I had it covered under my car insurance policy! And they paid £2000 to get it fixed the car was only 2 months old worth a look at insurance policy.
Here in the US I've never seen that on an insurance policy.
Not saying it doesn't exist for us. Worked at 2 different places where drivers put gas in diesel trucks, both weren't caught until it was too late. Both required extensive repairs out of the company's pocket.
@@TheWabbit If it came from a diesel pump, or they have receipts for diesel and can claim that it was sabotage, the comprehensive coverage MAY cover it.
@@bobmazzi7435 great point, never thought of it from that aspect.
Draining fuel, I use a small Folgers Coffee can with bottom cut out sitting in my drain pan, stops the mess.
A friend of mine back in the early 80's had the reverse happen. He went to a gas station, and they put diesel, in one of their unleaded tanks. His car had no power, and pinged and clattered like crazy--which surprised me it ran at all. Those days cars were not complicated like now(a 80 ford Granada). The station admitted they had a mix-up. He went to a garage, they pumped the diesel out, put some unleaded back in, and the car ran fine again. The thing I never understand is why they don't make the top fillers of the storage tanks different. For example, unleaded "round" and diesel "square'. That way if the cant connect, to fill them, they know they are trying to fill the wrong tank. With all the government regulations on everything--you would think they would have done this by now.
Square lid could fall in is all I can think of.
because of capitalism, if something ever happens, people on the top still gets money always
i work at a place where they fill up the trucks. they use the compartments for different fuels and change them whenever needed. so you can't put different couplings on because you need the ability to load a different fuel. they do have systems in place to see which fuel is which but human mistakes can happen.
In my country (Germany), the storage tanks' hose couplings are coded with a product-specific resistor network to identify the fuel product supposed to go inside. We call it QSS or product identification. The transport truck has the very same system installed and will only open its valves when both signals (from storage tank and transport truck chamber) match up. A similar system exists for filling the transport truck itself inside the refinery's loading terminal. It's a pretty foolproof system which leads to almost no mixups besides those created by customers at the pump themselves. The gasoline fuel pump nozzles are also smaller in diameter when compared to the diesel ones so you can't actually put diesel in a gasoline tank. It still works the other way around, though.
That's a good point! I was wondering that myself.
I enjoy watching all your video's. Keep it up bud. Watching these reminds me of my wrenching days. =) I loved my job. I miss it a lot.
Accidentally filled my Duramax with gasoline once…hey, there was a “distraction” at the fuel pump and the handle was green lol Anyway, she survived without a fuel system replacement and that was before the normal injector swap on my LB7 @ 155k. Still running fine today but the cost of replacing the high pressure fuel side of things was scary indeed. Hoping to see your work on this but I wonder if you could just drain everything, swap filters again, get diesel into the system and see if the gasoline has actually damaged the system.
I think your LB7 was the last of the CP3 pumps. Bosch switched to the CP4- which is apparently made of glass. My LML has the CP4 in it, I believe dodge and Ford also used the CP4’s. If the 6.7 has the CP4 then the damage is probably already done
I was a truck mechanic in the late 70's to 80's. At that time a single injector on a Cummins engine was $600 to $800 an injector. Probably not any cheaper today.
@@jasonmatthews7098 it does
@@oldtimefarmboy617 yeah, I did my injectors in 2018 and just the reman Bosch x 8 cost me about 2600 bucks…I’m hoping I never have to do that again.
Green be petrol where I am from. Black is diesel because soot is also black...
I don't know why those colours.
This reminds me of my two-year stint living in Paris, France. Had a company car at the gas station for the first time. The pumps were labeled Petrol and Gasoil. Gasoil sounded like gas in my head. I filled the car with diesel fuel (gasoil) and immediately knew what I had done when I couldn't even get off the gas station property. Had the car towed to a nearby dealership. They drained the tank and had me up and running within two hours.
This story needs to be in all the tour guides.
Thankfully gasoline engines are much more tolerable to the diesel/gasoline mixup, but modern diesels are not. But what I’m surprised about is that you were actually able to put diesel in a gasoline engine. I’m sure it’s just different standards for pumps in France but that is surprising.
Oh man that lift pump sounds Horrible
When he first cranked it up sounds like a typical ford ....lmao 🤣
Happy New Year! This happened to a friend of mine, and come to find out, a tanker at the gas station put gasoline in the diesel tank, so I'm wondering if that is what has happened here. Looking forward to an update !
The flash point changes: When gasoline mixes with diesel, the first thing it does is change its flash point. This means that the diesel fuel will have a lower flash point and prematurely ignite in the engine which could lead to serious engine damage in the long run
Diesel is a lubricant oil, gasoline is a solvent that breaks down oils. Bye bye high pressure pump.
The diesel should ignite as it is being injected. That is what makes the injector timing so critical.
Just fyi older diesels said to cut the fuel with up to 10% gas to prevent gelling...
The fuel could easily pass thur the rings into the oil. There is no telling how much damage has already been done. Fortunately it was only filled up recently and only used a quarter of the tank. I'll bet the oil is thin and has a funny smell to it thou.
was that a chunk missing from that tyre?
(23:52) did you notice that the chunk was missing from the only area of the tyre (tire in the USA) that had enough tread to tell a chunk was missing.
Would be very informative if you listed the tools you use with any feedback on there performance. Thx!
The lift pump is noisy because its not designed to be lifting petrol. Clean it out and it'll be fine.
Only recently found your vids & thank you for the infotainment. Not much of a mechanic here but I think I can learn much from watching you since you make it interesting. Thanks.
I remember years ago a station was on the news. The people had filled up at the station and made it a few blocks before they had problems. The fuel truck had put diesel in a underground tank instead of gas.
Better than the other way around! A friend of mine ran out of gas on his motorcycle and ended up having to put diesel in the tank from a farm tractor. It got him home and the bike went on to do 150000 miles....
That should be impossible because the pipe unions are different sizes for gas & diesel.
@@andrewlaw Nothing is impossible. I have seen many people hurt by doing the impossible, humans are very resourceful.
I used to work for a business that had business cars for certain staff and once put $20 of diesel into the gas tank on accident (I was wondering why the nozzle didn't fit the gas hole). Luckily I had just left one of our repair shops and was right near it, so I called them immediately after recognizing the goof and they came to tow it and drain the tank.
As a former fuel transport driver for a major North American truck stop, the likelihood of mixed product is virtually impossible. Each underground storage tank fill hole has a colored lid (Red-White-Blue for various gasoline grades, and Yellow-Green for Diesel Fuel). Not only are the lids color coded, but underneath that lid inside the hole is a locking rain cap with padlock on the fill tube, and nearby a brass tag that identifies the product inside that tank. The locking rain cap prevents flood waters from entering the underground storage tanks should the ground area above become flooded. Anyhow with all this redundancy, it is very unlikely a transport driver would mix product. In major truck stops the location of the diesel fuel and gasoline drop points are in two different locations so that there is no confusion. I will assume small gas stations are built the same way. It is very common for consumers to put gasoline in a diesel tank, however it is impossible for them to put diesel in a gasoline tank as the fill nozzle spout will not fit the opening. At the retail pumps, all grade gasoline use a single nozzle with a small spout with a black cover over the handle with grade selection on the pump. The diesel nozzle has a green (or sometimes yellow) cover over the handle and the spout is much larger so that it will not fit in the fill opening of gasoline vehicles. If this customer placed gasoline in a diesel vehicle, their loss and an expensive one.
Al Dumass: "One thing that humbles me deeply is to see that human genius has its limits while human stupidity does not".
That does not look like diesel draining from that filter housing.