Yes, I am right. If you let Sym get close to you, charge up her beam, and cannot outdamage her or escape, you fucked up. Every damage hero can outdamage Sym by a lot if you are halfway decent at aiming.
Shard1697 No, symms hitbox is too small to hit her easily at long range, and if she gets on the point ? Yes ofc ima wait till she die to get on the objective to not get punished for trying to save the game, so or i loose, or i loose then, right?
no it doesnt...when i flashbang a mercy whos spamming jump , she actually moves foward when stunned instead of standing still which fucks up mccrees aim
There's nothing I hate more than getting hooked by a Roadhog the same time you throw your flashbang. What this does is it stuns him, REMOVES HIS HOOK, but still pulls you towards him. Meaning by the time you're infront of him, the stun has already finished and he can just one shot you. HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?!
Ameer as an Ana player I swear I have shot my sleep dart a full second before hogs hook but the hook somehow cancels the projectile. I can watch it back on replay and the kill cam and see the dart in the air but when I get hooked it disappears. Basically Hook>Everything.
Revi M Fadli yes it is. People seem to forget what clickbait means. And Switch it with false "advertisement" clickbait doesnt have anything to do with something in the title or thumbnail not being in the video. It simply means baiting for clicks.
German Potato well those false advertisement clickbait-and-switch were also meant to bait for clicks. People remember them more cuz they're annoying and if the title/thumbnail represents the content well, it's simply informative
I think the Overwatch team needs to take a step back from giving us more things like heroes, maps, and skins, and focus more on fixing things like this, Roadhog's Hook™, and Widowmaker's grappling hook. Of course, they're not going to do that, because they're probably worried that if they did they'd end up in the same place TF2 is in.
The all mighty Dilbert I know but like They haven't managed to fix roadhog's hook yet and that thing has gotten more complaints than trump becoming president
They're heading straight where TF2 went at this rate, TF2 still gets new content, it's just nobody cares. With overwatch being way more unstable than TF2 (Code wise) in the long run, i predict it won't stick around for another 2 years.
okay people need to stop complaining about widows hook! it aims towards the nearest ledge not where you are aiming that is how it was meant to be made!
BS! I've had my Widow Hook go at shit not even close to the "Closest Ledge". Even the Hook opting to go at clear sky rather than a ledge 8-10m away that I'm clearly aiming at. But Nope, Widow's Hooks gonna miss it by 3m and leave me dead to a Zenyatta Ball which in the Killcam hit the wall 2m to the side of me, aimed at my waist level, but was a headshot somehow. Fuck Overwatch, Fuck Events, Maps, New Chars, And a Ranking System which in placement matches puts me agains Plats and Masters (Which I loose) then to place me in Silver/Gold. Fuck it. I'll Play Tolerable Shit like 64 tick CSGO, and BF1.
I saw this happen a few times already, and I rarely play McCree... I threw one point-blank at someone's feet and even saw it GO OFF at their feet, and they didn't get stunned. I was gobsmacked about it at the time, because the faulty stun resulted in them simply turning and blowing my head off. I chalked it up to lag. Another scenario, not talked about in this video, happened to me however. I was playing a payload round. There was an enemy McCree and enemy Rein on the payload, looking forward. I walked up behind them and jumped on the payload. The enemy McCree ran forward off the payload and while STILL APPEARING TO LOOK FORWARD (read: not seeing me at all), hit me with a stun which resulted in my death. The crazy thing is that it didn't look like the enemy McCree was looking at me, or that he was even using his flashbang, yet he was able to stun me through voodoo. The kill-cam confirmed it too. I'm sure that in his viewpoint though, he saw me, turned around, and hit me with it while jumping off..... but that's not what the game showed me. I still chalk it up to lag a lot. I only play with 35ms, but... it's their latency that affects it, not mine. The corner thing is irritating though.
Every single one of those you threw it before aiming where you wanted it to go. It went where you were aiming each time, you can tell because the flashbang icon turns yellow the instant you use it and you're looking at the ground or the side each time. You can't use it then turn and expect it to go somewhere else like a curve ball. Watch them all again at .25 speed (settings), you will see. The bots were a bit messed up, sure, but your in-game play was user-error.
+Fantasy Logos There is no expectation of a "curve ball". I think you're missing the point. Myself and many others are making an error BECAUSE the ability's animation implies that it will behave in one way when it actually behaves in another. Because of the slow animation, there appears to be a slight delay in McCree's flashbang (like Ana's sleep dart, only not as long), so we were throwing our flashbangs early to make up for it. Blizzard is no stranger to adding small delays to decrease accuracy (think Torbjorn and Mei's right click). Now I can't speak for others, but I know logically that animations are not necessarily indicative of how an ability behaves. But because of the attention to detail that Blizzard gives Overwatch, and because of how fast it all happens, I was never able to piece together why the flashbang felt "off" until I watched these in slow motion. I'm sure there are many people like yourself who intrinsically felt out the ability's timing and used it without accounting for a false delay, but the success of this video implies that many, many other people were also going off of the same faulty visual clues and suffering because of it. If the animation was any slower, it might be easier to detect and correct, but since it happens so fast, it's easy to keep making the same mistake again and again, even after someone shows you otherwise. Our brains are wired to respond to visual clues, especially in fast-paced, reflex-based scenarios such as first person shooters. And the visual clues from the animation indicate a slight delay. So we throw early. And then miss.
I never knew it was a instant throw. The animation itself looks like the throw has a slight delay, like sleep dart but faster, and I have always been playing like it has that delay. Weird.
Fantasy Logos I agree with you, while I do have times where I miss a flash and have no idea why it's once every blue moon. This guys gotta notice that it doesn't behave like other heroes projectiles because no one else throws their projectiles. Aim it like you're about to lob a grenade at someone's face and you shouldn't miss.
flashbangs blind people concussion grenades stun people McCree's flashbang stuns and do not blind You get affected by it even if you are not facing it. m8 pls
Yeah i mean Bastion has gotten easier to fight against the more I play him, same with Torb ,its just annoying seeing play of the game constantly going to classes where you just hold down mouse 1. I will not take back my claim on symmetra tho, her primary is fucking broken. It either needs shorter range, less total damage or force the use to have to aim in order to hit. its fucking ridiculous when you are not a speedy or hitscan character and trying to deal with her running at you and jumping all over the place. It is even worse watching the death cam and seeing her aim never even coming close to your character but still hitting you. He turrets are reason enough for her to be played, but having 6 turrets and her primary is a little much, assuming they arent going to do anything about her turrets, her primary needs to be dropped. Also her shield is actually really nice situationally, so like she really doesnt NEED a primary like that. It's like battle Mercy, obviously you should be doing something else while playing this character, but so many people in pubs just run in and Mouse 1 in your general direction while hoppin all over the place. *And no im not saying battle mercy is op, im just saying if she has a shield, tele, shield drop thing, and turrets, does she really need a primary that can fuck ppl at the distance it can?*
darkarch757 I know a trick to beat symmetra you might find useful just go through her and she stop firing happens to me alot when I use symmetra but and I know the pain of stupid players who see symmetras turret and do nothing it really depends of your team to have a charecter that counter the enemi team try learning the counter and team compositions and you'll realise how easy is to beat the enemi team
Marie Smith honestly when I play him and I hit people with soundwave it's like I blow on them but god forbid anyone else soundwave me I'll start in Canada and end up in fucking England
Same thing happens with roadhogs hook. Sometimes I hook tracer but somehow she blinks out of the hook, nothing in the way, no pillars or shit like that and my hook breaks. I saved the highlight and checked it out after the match and then its revealed that I actually MISSED the hook. What kind of bullshit is that?
I come back to this video every once in a while even though I no longer play Overwatch and never even played Mcree, because it’s hilarious, and Spum, oh God, please come back. ☹️☹️☹️
Played as Mccree today. High Nooned, but died instantly. Lost all my Ult. They nerfed Mccree when we weren't looking. He loses all ult instantly not after 1 second.
why not just flash your foot? that way you just right click your weapon at the enemy's foot and the recoil going upward will instantly kill your target?
Doesn't even matter that they removed the flashbang and none of this is relevant anymore. I'll still watch the whole thing since this guy's videos are so entertaining.
That was a good video. It discussed an important problem and the editing was awesome! A lot of works went into the video and we all notice and appreciate it!
When I clicked the video I thought you meant broken as in Overpowered, but I agree quite a bit with you, for things like roadhogs hook and mccrees flashbangs, that have affects, both stunning, and then both have unique styles of doing it, they depend on perfect tick and ping, making 'Favor the shooter' mean, 'favor the server'. Thus getting BS hooks and dud flash bangs.
Yeah it's very misleading that McCree's animation shows up the way it does when other characters are allowed to drag shot (ex Ana's Sleep dart). Good work now I know how to use McCree's stun for the next time I never play him
I actually think those weird map edges are part of the games poor map design. These things unnecessarily make things like this happen, as well as make wall climbing\wall running unnecessarily finiky.
humblecrowplayz yeah sadly most of the problem people can see as glitches are actually cos of that detail, and the stuff that has too much detail sort of always is gonna mess up with game mechanics easily, and sometimes this execive detail is not the same along the map so its even weirder; like with the stair hitbox example, and yeah its quite weird when people complain about too much realism and its quite funny, like when my brother was kill in a game while he was in animation, and he literaly was like "why this thing has to be so unesesarily realistic right now", we were laughing for like an hour after that XD, but in some cases its kind of a thing that someone needs to know before playing the game or learn and get use to it, like in some games projectiles passing straight through corners and stuff like that
lets not forget how you also always get stuck in random fucking edges random trees random objects while you are backing off and you just die in these. thats one thing i really hate about literally every map... random shitty edges that will get you fully stuck instead of getting pushed away from them or just put an invisible wall there so you still have the look while not being able to get stuck there...
Thanks for making the video.. like honestly.I played a lot of McCree recently to get to know him better and i f*ed up about 50% of my flashbangs because the Animation and the actual result are 2 completely different things, but so fast that you cant really tell during the match. I hope knowing that flashbang is instant will actually make me a better player :P
I have noticed the meaningless artwork thing with pharah.Her concussion blast releases like half a second before the concussion blast model on her suit even starts to move.
Wake Arisato they are easily explained with 1. he throws it at the ground near you while you are deflecting 2. he throws it over the shield so he is quite literally throwing it very close to you, the range overall however is shite but idrc i only use it when i get jumped by reapers, tracers, genjis and throwing it over reins shield to co ordinate an earthshatter with a friendly rein
I can understand this but being flashbanged from behind triggers me so much. I would understand if the light hits your eyes but if the "flash"bang acts more like a concussion grenade it would be best to rename it aptly
Watch some western films and keep checking if any of the films featuring cowboys are using a Flashbang. I can't see Blizzard's logic in this. Flashbang throwing should be Soldier 76's resort as he is a codguy. Most Call of Duty games has Flashbangs. Still thank god Soldier 76 can't Flashbang cause he's damage is fucking insane now. It would be acceptable if he gets damage nerf where he was at the beginning where Overwatch was playable. I seriously just fucking replace McCree's Flashbang with a Lasso. That so much better fit to a cowboy. Blizzard's expertise about the games problem is equal to a freshly cooked steaming horse shit.
TheRadientYamicorn Why? He has good health for an offensive, moderate damage, fair cooldowns and is seriously menacing at close range. Genji is miles away from the Blizzard hate for Mccree.
genji is still good especially now the tank meta has arrived, regardless pros still rekt enemies as genji which is why they decided they had to balance it...mccree doesnt fit anywhere in any meta and is unreliable... its not even considered a wild card
I actually noticed when this first started happening. It started after a patch, I don't remember if it was after the nerf of the damage drop-off or the wildfire damage nerf, im not sure. But before said patch, the stuns worked appropriately and legit, and then after the patch, the stuns started spazing.
Agreed. Sure, it's a little confusing that the animation and the projectile behave so differently, but in the end it's just a matter of making sure your cursor is on target and THEN using the flashbang, and not just following the cosmetic animation. Even then there are some cases where the flashbang behaves weird when corners are involved, but that's a problem with general world design, not so much with McCree. (An easy fix would be, like suggested in the video, to have flashbangs radius go through walls, but that would have a lot of nasty implications, giving McCree the ability to stun through walls in a lot of different instances, which would be BS)
Things they need to rework with mcree -console aim assist. Mcree is almost useless on console due to the aim assist being non existent and without a keyboard and mouse it's a wonder why everyone's stats and headshots are shitty with him -fix the fuckin flash bang Watching this video made me realize it wasn't me fucking up and missing it's the game -make his pistol hold more ammo or make the reload faster. How the hell does the character with the least amount of shots reload just as fast as everyone else and slower if that. Mcree already only has 6 bullets that are hard to hit. Now his reload is the same as everyone else's?? Wtf lol -fall off damage mcree is useless beyond medium range due to aim assist and low ammo. So why pick mcree when you can use a soldier? Lmao -dead eye is good in theory but in practice it sucks change it to lessen the time needed to line up a shot, or just make it auto insta kill when you hit the action button -give mcree a passive Armor piercing rounds Negate the damage blocking of armor to make him more viable against tanks cause currently you get destroyed by Dva, zarya who heals faster than you can shoot lmao, a half decent Reinhardt, road hog who can tank 3 fan the hammers. Mcree isn't a bad character but he's useless Just about any role he fills can be filled by some one else better. Duelist? Sure he's okay for squishies but so is mei and her ultimate isn't useless DPS? Pharah is harder to hit has a better ult more mobility, can throw people off maps, soldier has rockets mobility, and a sustain plus he's perfect for medium range which is where mcree is good. Mccre just sucks all around sadly. And it's unfortunate that he's my main.
They need to lower his cooldowns and fix the flashbang, that's all. By the way; Combat roll = instant reload.. wich is the fastest in the game. But it's never actually possible to use it for a reload since the cooldown is 10 seconds wich is insanely long (Like widow's hook) for what it is.
There's a match Now let me light it I would refute all your incredibly stupid ideas. But that would take too much time and either way you wouldn't understand them due to your lack of knowledge in game design, fun, balance, overwatch, roles, foresight, skill, and general common sense.
Matt C so you're salty cause I proposed a fix for an obviously broken character? When I tell others about overwatch I always say It's so balanced you can't even get mad at other abilities cause you have your own bullshit Mccree as of now isn't viable. I explained why. If you wanna be salty the whatever (:
Mcree grenades are a proyectile. They go to wherever you are aiming when you press the button with a little of parabole. It's easy, grenades has not free fics that go from your hands going freely bumping on the scenario like in halo or CoD, the go where you are aiming. If you are siming at point A pres the button and move the aim to point B, the grenade will reach point A. It's like hogs hook, it goes where you are aiming when you press the button and reaches a point of the animation.
A little advice to combat this. I know it's not the absolute answer to his flash bang, but more like a quick fix. Practice throwing your flashbangs from a short distance rather than up close to the enemy. I know it's gonna be hard because you might not be in the right scenario to pull it off but if you can, try sparing them when you have a good feeling it's not going to be a dud. If you get up close, make some distance from the enemy and then flash bang. It seems the only time the flashbang works is directly at the enemy from a few feet away. Try working around his weakness and prioritize his strength. Also for anyone who didn't know, you can actually flashbang a reinhardt while his shield is up. You have to throw it above his shield and it will arch over, stunning him for a second or two. This technique is useless when one on one, but I use the buddy system with McCree. Have your allies assist you in taking out enemies after you stun them. it also helps McCree survive when he's focused by the enemy. Most of these tips are common knowledge but I hope it helped someone.
I hear salt. Meanwhile I think they could take a second or 2 off Widow's hook. It's like one of the longest cooldowns and makes her vulnerable, at least Ana can heal herself and hanzo can climb. And her ultimate gives you the slight advantage of knowing when an enemy turns a corner and where they are but if they get close or hid behind cover it's useless
I'm also a mcree main Also I may have jumped to the comments to quickly But his flashbang's are going where he clicks I play mcree his flashbang it fine Or There might be a server difference between PC and PS4 but my flashbang's are fine
they need to make it so that when the flash spawns in game it will spawn at his hand when the grenade disappears. you can see in the footage that the grenade disappears when the animation is done playing, I'm assuming that's where the other grenade should spawn in, that's where is place it.
Another part of the problem is because the animation is delayed. Kinda like when you use hog hooks and spins fast the hook won't follow the crosshairs. Just like the hook. The flash won't curve with your crosshair. Idk man.
You'd expect the animation to match the action, that is McCree should throw the flashbang at the direction when his flashbang throw animation ends, not where it starts. In clip 3 for example, you pressed it while facing the rocks, and by the time your animation was done, you were facing the McCree but since you pressed it when you were facing the rocks, it went off at rocks. It shouldn't be like that but it is apparently.
You know, the funny part is I could tell all of these would fail before the resolution because I play McCree a good bit. I knew the animation was way fucking wrong and had accounted for it myself. But with it being this far off of how the attack functions; it needs to be changed desperately.
in my history of playing mcree it took me a few games before i instictively started trying to aim his flashbang at my targets feet. though i didnt notice the animation timing and trajectory issues you mentioned.
With that third one the hand animation is wrong, but when you pressed E was where he threw it, so whilst in the middle of turning and pressing E it hit the place you were looking at when you first pressed E
he points that out in the video. the point of that part is that it looks like there is a delay but there isn't which is counter-intuitive. most people see an animation and assume its accurate which in this case it isn't.
The reason Pharah's explosive hits is because the actual model of the rocket is longer than the corner. But yeah, it took me like 5-10 hours understand how to always land McCree's flashbang
damn, I always felt something about the flashbang's mechanics were weird. there were times in games where I sat and wondered "how the hell did that flash miss?". thanks for the video that finally explained this fuckery
... What if the animation was an underhand toss that was quicker than his current animation? Then it could line up from where the actual projectile goes...
Why doesn't the flashbang function like Ana's grenade? When Ana throws her grenade, it will hit anyone in its sight and it explodes, it won't go through them.
he's not ass... just below average stats and somehow gets carried in his matches. so he's just lucky if you dont believe me go to masteroverwatch to check his stats
senario 3 was internet problem not in game problem, ur camera flick is too fast for ur internet to register ,I play on console and I had times when I had bad connection, I tried flicking a Hanzo ult and it had the same problem as this flashbang , so on PC u can flick camera instantly fast , it's pretty possible that ur connection can't keep up with it
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FANS: Symmetra's range is a little OP
BLIZZARD: guess it's time to nerf Mcree.
speeddevil4040 lmao true
sym is not and never has been OP
Shard1697 except before nerf (atleast) kill 600hp in 3-4 seconds. Ur right. Not even op or anything.
Yes, I am right. If you let Sym get close to you, charge up her beam, and cannot outdamage her or escape, you fucked up. Every damage hero can outdamage Sym by a lot if you are halfway decent at aiming.
Shard1697 No, symms hitbox is too small to hit her easily at long range, and if she gets on the point ? Yes ofc ima wait till she die to get on the objective to not get punished for trying to save the game, so or i loose, or i loose then, right?
"why am I getting so much hate"- McCree 2016
2017 literally 12 30 right now:)
Steve Damon well, let's see if McCree keeps getting more hate from spumwack...
Take this W
Cause Pharah Mains lol. McCree is so frustrating to play against when he potshots you out of the air haha.
Justin Rosa why am I still getting hate*
Today we ask the age old question, "Will it flashbang?"
The answer is... "no..."
Let's stun about that.
wesley hansen I guess you could say that its
*STUNNING*
UUUUUGGGH FlashBang Smoke, you don't want to inhale this.
ToXicRhys let's talk about that
How did this guy go from discussing the death of the universe to complaining about McCree?
Kidding, love the video dude.
yeah its kind of funy but it keeps the same vibe, it would be cool to have some OverWatch related sciency stuff videos
Scenario 2 made me cry a little
J. P. H. So you're a plat player that doesn't know to stun their feet lul
J. P. H. Lol I'll shed a tear for you as well
That's the reason everyone throws the flashbang to the floor
same tbh
Kavi, scenario 3 was at the feet and still didn't work.
So technically it don't matter sometimes.
Try it on supports it works every time
Silentninja 12 Loool
Silentninja 12 or on reflecting genjis where all tanks don't get hit
no it doesnt...when i flashbang a mercy whos spamming jump , she actually moves foward when stunned instead of standing still which fucks up mccrees aim
Mccree is my most played charecter,and I have no idea why love that "no mobility,no sustein,6 bullets,useless ult" cowboy.
i mean his gun is really strong and you said it at the end of your sentece his a f-ing robot arm cowboy
cause his gun is powerful, and he's a muh fuckin' cowboy
DANIEL ERON cuz it's high noon
DANIEL ERON because its 12 o clock
because mcree is fun to play, like genji, even when both of them are garbage
Gotta love that "Favour The Shooter™" technology from Blizzard Entertainment, Inc.
ZoroOvDaArk Favor* Naw jk lol.
This has nothing to do with netcode though
Zorro you forgot to add the "unless the shooter is you" part
There's nothing I hate more than getting hooked by a Roadhog the same time you throw your flashbang.
What this does is it stuns him, REMOVES HIS HOOK, but still pulls you towards him. Meaning by the time you're infront of him, the stun has already finished and he can just one shot you. HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?!
because blizzard didn't make a animation cancel
Sooo many times sooo many times this has happened to me but I think that's on roadhogs side with his hook
Ameer as an Ana player I swear I have shot my sleep dart a full second before hogs hook but the hook somehow cancels the projectile. I can watch it back on replay and the kill cam and see the dart in the air but when I get hooked it disappears. Basically Hook>Everything.
Ameer stfu bitch
guessing you never play mccree
"McCree's flashbang is working exactly as intended." - Blizzard, probably.
First time I've watched a gaming video that isn't click bait.
No, everything we click nowadays is clickbait
Revi M Fadli yes it is. People seem to forget what clickbait means. And Switch it with false "advertisement" clickbait doesnt have anything to do with something in the title or thumbnail not being in the video. It simply means baiting for clicks.
German Potato well those false advertisement clickbait-and-switch were also meant to bait for clicks. People remember them more cuz they're annoying and if the title/thumbnail represents the content well, it's simply informative
Revi M Fadli well I guess you could say that false advertisement is clickbait, but clickbait doesnt have to be false advertising.
German Potato Well put
I think the Overwatch team needs to take a step back from giving us more things like heroes, maps, and skins, and focus more on fixing things like this, Roadhog's Hook™, and Widowmaker's grappling hook.
Of course, they're not going to do that, because they're probably worried that if they did they'd end up in the same place TF2 is in.
DoppelDragon - Butters they don't drop everything they do for skins they have different teams for certain stuff
The all mighty Dilbert I know but like
They haven't managed to fix roadhog's hook yet
and that thing has gotten more complaints than trump becoming president
They're heading straight where TF2 went at this rate, TF2 still gets new content, it's just nobody cares. With overwatch being way more unstable than TF2 (Code wise) in the long run, i predict it won't stick around for another 2 years.
okay people need to stop complaining about widows hook! it aims towards the nearest ledge not where you are aiming that is how it was meant to be made!
BS! I've had my Widow Hook go at shit not even close to the "Closest Ledge".
Even the Hook opting to go at clear sky rather than a ledge 8-10m away that I'm clearly aiming at.
But Nope, Widow's Hooks gonna miss it by 3m and leave me dead to a Zenyatta Ball which in the Killcam hit the wall 2m to the side of me, aimed at my waist level, but was a headshot somehow.
Fuck Overwatch, Fuck Events, Maps, New Chars, And a Ranking System which in placement matches puts me agains Plats and Masters (Which I loose) then to place me in Silver/Gold.
Fuck it. I'll Play Tolerable Shit like 64 tick CSGO, and BF1.
4:34 look on the left.
Nicholas Chipz hahaha
''I'M TESTING SOMETHING BRO, STEP OFF'' xDD
Gotta love them salty try-hards, mmm mmm mmm!
Ahaha this really made my day. You deserve more blue upfingers.
4:35
I saw this happen a few times already, and I rarely play McCree... I threw one point-blank at someone's feet and even saw it GO OFF at their feet, and they didn't get stunned. I was gobsmacked about it at the time, because the faulty stun resulted in them simply turning and blowing my head off. I chalked it up to lag.
Another scenario, not talked about in this video, happened to me however. I was playing a payload round. There was an enemy McCree and enemy Rein on the payload, looking forward. I walked up behind them and jumped on the payload. The enemy McCree ran forward off the payload and while STILL APPEARING TO LOOK FORWARD (read: not seeing me at all), hit me with a stun which resulted in my death.
The crazy thing is that it didn't look like the enemy McCree was looking at me, or that he was even using his flashbang, yet he was able to stun me through voodoo. The kill-cam confirmed it too. I'm sure that in his viewpoint though, he saw me, turned around, and hit me with it while jumping off..... but that's not what the game showed me.
I still chalk it up to lag a lot. I only play with 35ms, but... it's their latency that affects it, not mine. The corner thing is irritating though.
I see that you also got those red circle on the thumbnail... they are overtaking the internet...
At least what he's circling has something to do with the video and isn't pointing to nothingness
AlexTheGamePlayer700 A bait that actually represents what it's supposed to. Amazing
Every single one of those you threw it before aiming where you wanted it to go. It went where you were aiming each time, you can tell because the flashbang icon turns yellow the instant you use it and you're looking at the ground or the side each time. You can't use it then turn and expect it to go somewhere else like a curve ball. Watch them all again at .25 speed (settings), you will see. The bots were a bit messed up, sure, but your in-game play was user-error.
+Fantasy Logos There is no expectation of a "curve ball". I think you're missing the point.
Myself and many others are making an error BECAUSE the ability's animation implies that it will behave in one way when it actually behaves in another. Because of the slow animation, there appears to be a slight delay in McCree's flashbang (like Ana's sleep dart, only not as long), so we were throwing our flashbangs early to make up for it. Blizzard is no stranger to adding small delays to decrease accuracy (think Torbjorn and Mei's right click).
Now I can't speak for others, but I know logically that animations are not necessarily indicative of how an ability behaves. But because of the attention to detail that Blizzard gives Overwatch, and because of how fast it all happens, I was never able to piece together why the flashbang felt "off" until I watched these in slow motion. I'm sure there are many people like yourself who intrinsically felt out the ability's timing and used it without accounting for a false delay, but the success of this video implies that many, many other people were also going off of the same faulty visual clues and suffering because of it.
If the animation was any slower, it might be easier to detect and correct, but since it happens so fast, it's easy to keep making the same mistake again and again, even after someone shows you otherwise. Our brains are wired to respond to visual clues, especially in fast-paced, reflex-based scenarios such as first person shooters. And the visual clues from the animation indicate a slight delay. So we throw early. And then miss.
rekt
spumwack Missing flashbangs is a bad video topic
I never knew it was a instant throw. The animation itself looks like the throw has a slight delay, like sleep dart but faster, and I have always been playing like it has that delay. Weird.
Fantasy Logos I agree with you, while I do have times where I miss a flash and have no idea why it's once every blue moon. This guys gotta notice that it doesn't behave like other heroes projectiles because no one else throws their projectiles. Aim it like you're about to lob a grenade at someone's face and you shouldn't miss.
flashbangs blind people
concussion grenades stun people
McCree's flashbang stuns and do not blind
You get affected by it even if you are not facing it.
m8 pls
Literally.....unplayable
EpicCity He is perfect
if only blizzard hated Symmetra, trojborn and Bastion
woah not symmetra but yes to the other ones
If you think Bastion or Torb is broken, you don't have many hours on the game.
TheNerdFormer they aren't really that good , torb can be tekken out by Phara and bastion well Genji
Yeah i mean Bastion has gotten easier to fight against the more I play him, same with Torb ,its just annoying seeing play of the game constantly going to classes where you just hold down mouse 1. I will not take back my claim on symmetra tho, her primary is fucking broken. It either needs shorter range, less total damage or force the use to have to aim in order to hit. its fucking ridiculous when you are not a speedy or hitscan character and trying to deal with her running at you and jumping all over the place. It is even worse watching the death cam and seeing her aim never even coming close to your character but still hitting you. He turrets are reason enough for her to be played, but having 6 turrets and her primary is a little much, assuming they arent going to do anything about her turrets, her primary needs to be dropped. Also her shield is actually really nice situationally, so like she really doesnt NEED a primary like that. It's like battle Mercy, obviously you should be doing something else while playing this character, but so many people in pubs just run in and Mouse 1 in your general direction while hoppin all over the place. *And no im not saying battle mercy is op, im just saying if she has a shield, tele, shield drop thing, and turrets, does she really need a primary that can fuck ppl at the distance it can?*
darkarch757 I know a trick to beat symmetra you might find useful just go through her and she stop firing happens to me alot when I use symmetra but and I know the pain of stupid players who see symmetras turret and do nothing it really depends of your team to have a charecter that counter the enemi team try learning the counter and team compositions and you'll realise how easy is to beat the enemi team
if you think flashbangs bad, you should try lucio's boop jfc
Marie Smith honestly when I play him and I hit people with soundwave it's like I blow on them but god forbid anyone else soundwave me I'll start in Canada and end up in fucking England
Gaudy fucking right?
Gaudy i feel that so hard, theres no consistency
Gaudy same, but when i boop them, they dont move a muscle but their skin moves in the direction of the boop, HOW.
I've booped people only to have them move fucking CLOSER. WHAT?!
Same thing happens with roadhogs hook. Sometimes I hook tracer but somehow she blinks out of the hook, nothing in the way, no pillars or shit like that and my hook breaks. I saved the highlight and checked it out after the match and then its revealed that I actually MISSED the hook. What kind of bullshit is that?
First of all, nice video! But, why do you keep calling him McGee?
Jack Hornblower nicknames. McGee, McCream/y, McTwat, Mcdonald, Mickey C, etc.
John Woodland lol
Lucas Burnett-Hornburg mcrightclick
Man you're great. Informative and funny, but shit that explains a lot.
The 'brokenness' of the flashbang is compensated by the inability to damage and stun yourself.
Sobbing, I miss his flashbang the new one is kinda ass
Here's a description of Will it Stun: if it should, it won't, if it shouldn't it won't.
I thought this was only me
NoOtherIdeas same
I come back to this video every once in a while even though I no longer play Overwatch and never even played Mcree, because it’s hilarious, and Spum, oh God, please come back. ☹️☹️☹️
anyone else flash before shooting the widowmaker when she is scoped and not even moving?
juho kuvaja I shoot Flash and then shoot again unless she's dead by the first shot
"if they nerf mccree one more time he might not just falloff the meta he might start physically falling off the game"
made my day
Making his flashbang match the animation would actually be a nice buff.
TheNerdFormer it wouldn't be a buff, it would be fixing him
or fix the animation so he gets the flashbang from his right side but still throws it with his left hand so it actually matches where it comes from
Played as Mccree today. High Nooned, but died instantly. Lost all my Ult. They nerfed Mccree when we weren't looking. He loses all ult instantly not after 1 second.
wreck 1990 everyone knew that it's been a thing for along time
it after .25 seconds
And it applies to EVERY hero with an Ult that drains as you use it.
why not just flash your foot? that way you just right click your weapon at the enemy's foot and the recoil going upward will instantly kill your target?
Doesn't even matter that they removed the flashbang and none of this is relevant anymore. I'll still watch the whole thing since this guy's videos are so entertaining.
I miss the flashbang
That was a good video. It discussed an important problem and the editing was awesome! A lot of works went into the video and we all notice and appreciate it!
episode 2: roadhog hook?
magic
You've put a good amount of effort and research into this video, thank you for making it.
give him an animation that comes from his center and instantaneously, like an effortless flick of the wrist (which seems like mcree anyways'
When I clicked the video I thought you meant broken as in Overpowered, but I agree quite a bit with you, for things like roadhogs hook and mccrees flashbangs, that have affects, both stunning, and then both have unique styles of doing it, they depend on perfect tick and ping, making 'Favor the shooter' mean, 'favor the server'. Thus getting BS hooks and dud flash bangs.
Magee?
Brody Manning McGee* He calls him that to make fun of him
I prefer mgoo
Brody Manning subtitles say makri
Brody Manning hi
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Yeah it's very misleading that McCree's animation shows up the way it does when other characters are allowed to drag shot (ex Ana's Sleep dart). Good work now I know how to use McCree's stun for the next time I never play him
I actually think those weird map edges are part of the games poor map design. These things unnecessarily make things like this happen, as well as make wall climbing\wall running unnecessarily finiky.
more than poor map designing, is way too much realism for things that aren't that necesary to be there
Missed Lethal when people criticize the game for TOO much attention to detail
humblecrowplayz yeah sadly most of the problem people can see as glitches are actually cos of that detail, and the stuff that has too much detail sort of always is gonna mess up with game mechanics easily, and sometimes this execive detail is not the same along the map so its even weirder; like with the stair hitbox example, and yeah its quite weird when people complain about too much realism and its quite funny, like when my brother was kill in a game while he was in animation, and he literaly was like "why this thing has to be so unesesarily realistic right now", we were laughing for like an hour after that XD, but in some cases its kind of a thing that someone needs to know before playing the game or learn and get use to it, like in some games projectiles passing straight through corners and stuff like that
lets not forget how you also always get stuck in random fucking edges random trees random objects while you are backing off and you just die in these. thats one thing i really hate about literally every map... random shitty edges that will get you fully stuck instead of getting pushed away from them or just put an invisible wall there so you still have the look while not being able to get stuck there...
McCree is preforming better than expected... Let's administer a controlled shock
as a mccree main, i feel your pain
This was very helpful. No wonder it keeps missing. I finally might be able to improve on mcree now. Thanks a lot man.
McCree's flash bang ALWAYS works on supports. But when an annoying ass Tracer or Genji is around. It never fucking works.
Buc Nasty this hit to close to home
I can confirm, as a Zenyatta main.
Thanks for making the video.. like honestly.I played a lot of McCree recently to get to know him better and i f*ed up about 50% of my flashbangs because the Animation and the actual result are 2 completely different things, but so fast that you cant really tell during the match. I hope knowing that flashbang is instant will actually make me a better player :P
Mccree more like mcdonalds
Alex Delrio that wasn't funny. That's a joke a 4 year old would say
Uchiha Brothers I like the joke
Alex Delrio I eat a somewhat strict diet and exercise a lot not funny
Jesse Mccree I am sorry mr McDonald's
Uchiha Brothers a genius 4 year old
I have noticed the meaningless artwork thing with pharah.Her concussion blast releases like half a second before the concussion blast model on her suit even starts to move.
Blizzard, either make the range greater or make it more accurate. Jesus fuck.
No actually, the range is large enough already. As a genji and reinhardt main, it's infuriating when he stuns me through my defect or shield.
Wake Arisato they are easily explained with
1. he throws it at the ground near you while you are deflecting
2. he throws it over the shield
so he is quite literally throwing it very close to you, the range overall however is shite but idrc i only use it when i get jumped by reapers, tracers, genjis and throwing it over reins shield to co ordinate an earthshatter with a friendly rein
+MRJAY yeah i know that, but to say that the range needs to be larger is down right stupid.
I can understand this but being flashbanged from behind triggers me so much. I would understand if the light hits your eyes but if the "flash"bang acts more like a concussion grenade it would be best to rename it aptly
Watch some western films and keep checking if any of the films featuring cowboys are using a Flashbang. I can't see Blizzard's logic in this. Flashbang throwing should be Soldier 76's resort as he is a codguy. Most Call of Duty games has Flashbangs. Still thank god Soldier 76 can't Flashbang cause he's damage is fucking insane now. It would be acceptable if he gets damage nerf where he was at the beginning where Overwatch was playable. I seriously just fucking replace McCree's Flashbang with a Lasso. That so much better fit to a cowboy. Blizzard's expertise about the games problem is equal to a freshly cooked steaming horse shit.
these Overwatch vids are perfection
Just give us beta McCree back. No damage fall off and OP fan the hammer.
Adam Yukiho He was a better Soldier too, being able to shoot down Pharas from long range.
For the love of god, don't bring back the old Fan the Hammer. It got to the point where McCrees would literally ONLY use Fan the Hammer.
the same thing happens with ana's nade, and even plain disappears sometimes even when u throw it at your feet.
You think they hate Mcree? Blizzard: Fuck Genji
TheRadientYamicorn OMFG YEAH!
TheRadientYamicorn Why? He has good health for an offensive, moderate damage, fair cooldowns and is seriously menacing at close range. Genji is miles away from the Blizzard hate for Mccree.
genji is still good especially now the tank meta has arrived, regardless pros still rekt enemies as genji which is why they decided they had to balance it...mccree doesnt fit anywhere in any meta and is unreliable... its not even considered a wild card
genji is not good in triple tank, the only pro that plays him is shadowburn and he is the best. not everyone is as good as him.
Munira Gheewala ummmm...seagull?
I actually noticed when this first started happening. It started after a patch, I don't remember if it was after the nerf of the damage drop-off or the wildfire damage nerf, im not sure. But before said patch, the stuns worked appropriately and legit, and then after the patch, the stuns started spazing.
Am I the only one who never has a problem with flashbang ? Also, scenario #1 and #3 were definitely user error.
Agreed. Sure, it's a little confusing that the animation and the projectile behave so differently, but in the end it's just a matter of making sure your cursor is on target and THEN using the flashbang, and not just following the cosmetic animation. Even then there are some cases where the flashbang behaves weird when corners are involved, but that's a problem with general world design, not so much with McCree.
(An easy fix would be, like suggested in the video, to have flashbangs radius go through walls, but that would have a lot of nasty implications, giving McCree the ability to stun through walls in a lot of different instances, which would be BS)
RashaadReallyRashaad Totally agrees. #2 is what usually happens to me and I despise it with a passion.
If the animations are so unimportant why not have wireframes that just slide around firing at people with absolutely no animation?
So THIS is why my flashbangs never seem to work! Thanks for clearing this out for me!
Things they need to rework with mcree
-console aim assist. Mcree is almost useless on console due to the aim assist being non existent and without a keyboard and mouse it's a wonder why everyone's stats and headshots are shitty with him
-fix the fuckin flash bang
Watching this video made me realize it wasn't me fucking up and missing it's the game
-make his pistol hold more ammo or make the reload faster. How the hell does the character with the least amount of shots reload just as fast as everyone else and slower if that. Mcree already only has 6 bullets that are hard to hit. Now his reload is the same as everyone else's?? Wtf lol
-fall off damage mcree is useless beyond medium range due to aim assist and low ammo. So why pick mcree when you can use a soldier? Lmao
-dead eye is good in theory but in practice it sucks change it to lessen the time needed to line up a shot, or just make it auto insta kill when you hit the action button
-give mcree a passive
Armor piercing rounds
Negate the damage blocking of armor to make him more viable against tanks cause currently you get destroyed by
Dva, zarya who heals faster than you can shoot lmao, a half decent Reinhardt, road hog who can tank 3 fan the hammers.
Mcree isn't a bad character but he's useless
Just about any role he fills can be filled by some one else better.
Duelist? Sure he's okay for squishies but so is mei and her ultimate isn't useless
DPS? Pharah is harder to hit has a better ult more mobility, can throw people off maps, soldier has rockets mobility, and a sustain plus he's perfect for medium range which is where mcree is good.
Mccre just sucks all around sadly. And it's unfortunate that he's my main.
They need to lower his cooldowns and fix the flashbang, that's all.
By the way; Combat roll = instant reload.. wich is the fastest in the game. But it's never actually possible to use it for a reload since the cooldown is 10 seconds wich is insanely long (Like widow's hook) for what it is.
Anathantela I know the roll is an instant reload but it's cool down is stupid long. More powerful abilities have a less timer lmao
There's a match Now let me light it I would refute all your incredibly stupid ideas. But that would take too much time and either way you wouldn't understand them due to your lack of knowledge in game design, fun, balance, overwatch, roles, foresight, skill, and general common sense.
Matt C so you're salty cause I proposed a fix for an obviously broken character?
When I tell others about overwatch I always say
It's so balanced you can't even get mad at other abilities cause you have your own bullshit
Mccree as of now isn't viable. I explained why. If you wanna be salty the whatever (:
There's a match Now let me light it He's only viable if you're not bad.
Spum had me rolling between his two McCree videos 😂😂😂
0:32 *"McGee"*
someones mad xD
wew adaam, cool down with that edge
Mcree grenades are a proyectile. They go to wherever you are aiming when you press the button with a little of parabole. It's easy, grenades has not free fics that go from your hands going freely bumping on the scenario like in halo or CoD, the go where you are aiming.
If you are siming at point A pres the button and move the aim to point B, the grenade will reach point A. It's like hogs hook, it goes where you are aiming when you press the button and reaches a point of the animation.
McCree is garbage now his ult sucks and his flash last 0000000000.1 seconds
Jayy Prime did you mean 0.0000000001 seconds? because what you wrote was 0.1 seconds
Dan Bowers fuck math right?
Marshall Thornhill someone gets it
A little advice to combat this. I know it's not the absolute answer to his flash bang, but more like a quick fix. Practice throwing your flashbangs from a short distance rather than up close to the enemy. I know it's gonna be hard because you might not be in the right scenario to pull it off but if you can, try sparing them when you have a good feeling it's not going to be a dud. If you get up close, make some distance from the enemy and then flash bang. It seems the only time the flashbang works is directly at the enemy from a few feet away. Try working around his weakness and prioritize his strength. Also for anyone who didn't know, you can actually flashbang a reinhardt while his shield is up. You have to throw it above his shield and it will arch over, stunning him for a second or two. This technique is useless when one on one, but I use the buddy system with McCree. Have your allies assist you in taking out enemies after you stun them. it also helps McCree survive when he's focused by the enemy. Most of these tips are common knowledge but I hope it helped someone.
Sasha wouldn't throwing it from a short distance mean that you are close to your enemy?
I hear salt. Meanwhile I think they could take a second or 2 off Widow's hook. It's like one of the longest cooldowns and makes her vulnerable, at least Ana can heal herself and hanzo can climb. And her ultimate gives you the slight advantage of knowing when an enemy turns a corner and where they are but if they get close or hid behind cover it's useless
FanTAStic video, Spumwack!
the flashbang is fine
you're just bad at mecree
scythe watch He's ranked higher than 95% of people who play overwatch and is a Mcree main.
I'm also a mcree main
Also I may have jumped to the comments to quickly
But his flashbang's are going where he clicks I play mcree his flashbang it fine
Or There might be a server difference between PC and PS4 but my flashbang's are fine
scythe watch he literally threw a flashbang at a reaper point blank and missed even though his crosshair was POINTING at him
Then there is a difference from PC and PS4 because my flashbang's are fine
I like the video, but I NEVER have this problem. Throw at the targets feet
I have actually experienced the second example so much that I developed a habit of aimming downward when in a firefight
i saw this video a year ago and im still freaking out about how none of my flashbangs land.
You covered all the things I've thought only I experienced, except for one: Widows hook. This shit is crazy. You have GOT to make a video bout it.
they need to make it so that when the flash spawns in game it will spawn at his hand when the grenade disappears. you can see in the footage that the grenade disappears when the animation is done playing, I'm assuming that's where the other grenade should spawn in, that's where is place it.
Another part of the problem is because the animation is delayed. Kinda like when you use hog hooks and spins fast the hook won't follow the crosshairs. Just like the hook. The flash won't curve with your crosshair. Idk man.
Wow i always love when he makes these mcCree videos its always so funny and messed up at the same time.
As a Cree main, I found this both hilarious and sad. Subscription earned, mate.
I subbed because i am a mcree main and your the only youtuber I've found who talks about him
You'd expect the animation to match the action, that is McCree should throw the flashbang at the direction when his flashbang throw animation ends, not where it starts. In clip 3 for example, you pressed it while facing the rocks, and by the time your animation was done, you were facing the McCree but since you pressed it when you were facing the rocks, it went off at rocks. It shouldn't be like that but it is apparently.
You know, the funny part is I could tell all of these would fail before the resolution because I play McCree a good bit. I knew the animation was way fucking wrong and had accounted for it myself. But with it being this far off of how the attack functions; it needs to be changed desperately.
they could just speed up the animation or have it skip near instantly to when he let's it go?
The only video I have watched for 5 years multiple times whenever my flashbang felt like shit.
(I miss those times)
Man... Im watching all your videos today, enjoy your money you deserve it
in my history of playing mcree it took me a few games before i instictively started trying to aim his flashbang at my targets feet. though i didnt notice the animation timing and trajectory issues you mentioned.
With that third one the hand animation is wrong, but when you pressed E was where he threw it, so whilst in the middle of turning and pressing E it hit the place you were looking at when you first pressed E
he points that out in the video. the point of that part is that it looks like there is a delay but there isn't which is counter-intuitive. most people see an animation and assume its accurate which in this case it isn't.
The only problem I have had with mcree ever was when I started the stub seemed a little too short range. I thought you could coby it
The reason Pharah's explosive hits is because the actual model of the rocket is longer than the corner. But yeah, it took me like 5-10 hours understand how to always land McCree's flashbang
damn, I always felt something about the flashbang's mechanics were weird. there were times in games where I sat and wondered "how the hell did that flash miss?". thanks for the video that finally explained this fuckery
... What if the animation was an underhand toss that was quicker than his current animation? Then it could line up from where the actual projectile goes...
Holy shit, thanks for this video man. No wonder I feel like the flash comes off a bit wonky at times and I've always thought it was my aim.
LMAO... I legit giggled at "Can we make it hurt him, too?"... XD
Why doesn't the flashbang function like Ana's grenade? When Ana throws her grenade, it will hit anyone in its sight and it explodes, it won't go through them.
I agree with some of the points you made but what if you are just ass at Mcree?
he's not ass... just below average stats and somehow gets carried in his matches. so he's just lucky
if you dont believe me go to masteroverwatch to check his stats
poketdoom Ok.....
it can flash a genji deflecting, makes up for the fuckery of this mechanic
if he doesn't throw it to genji (to the ground) genji gets stunned that isn't a bug
Fırat Deniz Beyaztas not a bug, but what can I do to counter it, hope he doesn't have it? makes no sense to have deflect then
IDK MAN just shove the deflect hit box in McCrees face
senario 3 was internet problem not in game problem, ur camera flick is too fast for ur internet to register ,I play on console and I had times when I had bad connection, I tried flicking a Hanzo ult and it had the same problem as this flashbang , so on PC u can flick camera instantly fast , it's pretty possible that ur connection can't keep up with it
The rant at the end , too funny . niceone bro
"i throw my flashbangs early and they dont go where i want!" "add a delay to the action"
I don't get how at 5:27 you say that the flash bang now has a steep learning curve It's like every other projectile ability or any projectile.
Since last patch I've had tons of flashbangs not even reg. I have clip after clip of me flashing people and it does nothing