You are clueless. Luke’s behavior is very toxic & he has never taken responsibility. Karamo did not know this Mother or their story bc he cut her off! He wanted to see division for ratings.
@@u.s.patriot298that doesn't mean you tell your child you hate them. That behavior is toxic on the parent's part, the mom has to take accountability as well it's not all on Luke
He was biased from the get go and was determined to make it about his sexuality and supporting the lgb comm. that woman raised him. I’m 37 and I have 3 older siblings and I know how frantic my mum gets whenever she calls and can’t reach any of us. I’m sorry but that woman was being a mother first to him and that child has disrespect and disdain for his mother written all over him/her. She might not have approved of his sexuality ab initio but have come to accept it but every other issue they have is obviously not about his sexuality. Who in the world just meets someone and picks them up out of nowhere starts dating them and expects their parents not to be worried. Hasn’t he heard of Jeffery Dahmer?
@@champyb even her child said she/he doesn’t think she hates him because I’m sure she’s put her through it. I’ve seen movies with children telling their parents they hate them out of frustration…… is that ok too?
I agree! I think he took this way to personal. You can hear the hurt and frustration in his voice… You come for my kids and we’re going to have a problem. I’m very protective over my children and I totally understand where she’s coming from as a mother.. I get he’s in that fun, young and dumb stage but he’s putting himself in dangerous situations..
I feel Karamo made everything about his sexuality and not the bad choices/friends. The mom said he picked up a random stranger and days later that person got his name tattooed across his chest. That poor decision making. If he's done that what other bad choices has he made that she has tried to warn him about that had absolutely nothing to do with his sexuality. Had he allowed his GUEST to speak maybe they would have had a chance to understand each other.
So true. I feel like Karamo was too hung up on the mother’s wording and calling it a lifestyle instead of listening to the mothers concerns about her child’s choices. And yeah she said she hated him but obviously she didn’t mean it. We’re human we all slip up and say things we may not mean. Kinda did feel bad to see her crying in the back, she must feel horrible and everyone looks at her like a monster
@@arbsan8366 Agreed she’s not a monster at all they both need counseling together to learn how to better communicate and understand each other. Karamo missed an opportunity to truly help them.
Thank you, he made it about his sexuality meanwhile if we’re really watching you can see he has no respect for his mum. See how he talks about the friend and the friend calling that he’s missing. Only heaven knows how hard the son must have pushed a button for her to say that to him considering American children tell that to their parents a lot.
I’ll never sit there and let someone talk to my mom like that. It’s clear the son noticed kamaro behavior in the end and starting defending her. You solved nothin here
a mother will NEVER tell their child they hate them period. He did nothing wrong, what he did was try to get her to understand everything she's done that hurt her child
@@nialarie Mothers are people before they're anything else and therefore flawed... just because this is how her brokenness shows up doesn't make her worst than any of us... Karamo was on the attack here and wasn't listening... if my son moved a homeless person in and they then got a tattoo of their name after a short period I would too be alarmed...
Karamo was wrong in this situation. He got triggered, and made it about his own situation as a gay man, instead of the families situation. Gay situations aren't monolithic. Karamo deviated from the real issue and that's the concerns of her child's safety and influences around him.
I do agree. he did not handle it with grace. I am a queer and nonbinary person and can speak a little about that. I do think he is knowledgeable but even wise people can get triggered, make mistakes and let their own background influence the wat they handle a situation
@@moonflowers333he's supposed to maintain professionalism instead of getting in his feelings. Stop making excuses for him and just call a spade a spade. He's there to help, not be a bully. Period.
Being gay doesn’t make you exempt from hanging out with the wrong crowd… thats all mom was saying… you were painting a different picture that wasn’t there and enabling her son even further. She’s a caring mom who see’s the red flags and is trying to protect him. Yes, she’s definitely overstepping in some aspects but she wasn’t able to be a mom when he was young so she doesn’t know how to hold back and let him make mistakes. That has nothing to do with his preference.
I think Karamo is wrong on this one...feels like he is projecting...she is concerned about his decisions..not his sexuality...she needs to step back a little bit...and by lifestyle..i think she is saying that the friends he surrounds himself with and the choices he makes seems wreckless..but mama..he needs to make them and you may have to guide but not interfere
No no no cause one when she keeps saying “lifestyle” she’s being disrespectful he’s not projecting at all that woman would not be concerned. A concerned parent doesn’t say I hate you to their own child I don’t care if you wasn’t in that child life for most of the time you never say that her actions are very ugly and nasty
I'm speculateing all this. So he got involved with a group of people who he calls friends and felt he finally belong. Okay so.. Could it be someone from that group that might've called his mother "stirring up trouble" causing the mother frantic of the whereabouts of her son.? Can't blame her for calling around. On the other hand, the son may have purposely turned off he's phone, so he could have privacy?,, did his friends respect his privacy.? Maybe it could be that someone in that group became envious over his secret date.? The mother's intuition felt something is not right and her actions went towards the individuals. Could that have caused them to spread negative vibes .? I see a self-centered person sitting there admiring himself. Siding for he's friends over his mother is a no no, it just goes to say he made his choice. I can see why she walked away in tears! She was denied again not only by her son but by the host for voicing her opinion, yet believing he might have the equality to bring balance between her and her son, the host took it as an insult. Yes, no doubt it's wrong to tell a "child" I hate you, but he's not a child. I believe she got fed up of his disrespectful demeanor towards her. C'mon now two wrongs don't make a right.. Someday he's going to wake-up and realize who's his real friends are.. "when he laughs, he's friends laugh", but when he cries he's friends won't be crying., only his mother will.
Not all of us watching this are part of the LGBTQ+ community, but there is something here all of us can learn from. Our parents toxicity is not about us. It's about them and who they are. We might want to have a good relationship with them, but ultimately, they have to be willing to grow and heal themselves for that to happen. Until they are ready to do that, it is okay to cut contact. Having a parent tell you they hate you and other horrible things is not something any of us needs to put up with.
I don't think it has to do with the way he presents or who he chooses to love I think it's more so of his irresponsible behavior. I don't agree with her saying she hates him, but I definitely feel that Karamo was projecting. She never said anything negative about LGBTQ people. She was a concerned parent. He made it an LGBTQ issue. He also came at her parenting and was interputing her and her childs moment to speak. He's wrong on this segment.
Actually agree I think there issues have nothing to do with lgbt or the child’s choice that way, because the mom seems maybe emotionally unavailable idk? And the child probably is irresponsible but there’s a better way and the moms not doing that. I feel they need communication advice I don’t even think her issue is her child being gay tbh.
I agree as well. She's just an overly concerned parent. It seems like she trying to make up for what she lacked in his childhood so she's like helicopter mom over his decision. And instead of standing back and observing and supporting him when he does fall into mistakes she just seems to be trying to be there to catch it at the rim before it pours over instead of just letting it flow.
Her insisting on calling her child's sexuality/ identity a "lifestyle" is 10000% a dog whistle and shows that this is someone who has not made the effort to educate themselves on their side. It might be ignorance rather than malice but that is still obviously causing pain for her child. That said, I thought it was a bit out of line for him to say basically, "if you say 'i hate you', it means you hate something in your child". It is not a great takeaway for her child either, though luckily he seems to understand that her saying the nastiest things she can think of is 100% about her rage/ control issues and not him. I hope she realizes that if her son really is just latching on to questionable people, her conditional and hot/ cold affection is not helping the situation and likely a good chunk of the root of it.
Karamo, you lost control of that situation because your ego got in the way. Yes, the mother clearly has a lot of unresolved concerns; however, you did not make it any better for her. You were more interested in sustaining your prominence as a professional; that should not have been the issue. It's your show. I was disappointed with how you handled this segment.
Ik this comment is months old but my 2 cents. She wasn't willing to take accountability, what do you mean? Like she repeatedly called it a lifestyle even after he tried to correct her, then she went on the defensive when he repeated himself. Lgbt people know they struggle so it makes sense that he was trying to let mom know how that could affect her child. Karamo - Your doing this *says the specific issue he's seeing* Mom - *looks at kid and says the same thing* Karamo - *Repeats himself* Mom - You're projecting Karamo - Don't say Im projecting, i have my proof sitting right there Mom - *leaves* How else does he handle it. The mom is just not ready to hear she's in the wrong, and yeah she can say she "wasn't justifying" saying i hate you, but i feel like as soon as she said "but he stresses me out" is quite literally an excuse. It'd be better if she phases it differently. Again this is my opinion, but that's how i see it. (P.s. I'm Bi and there are definitely parents that say "i accept you" but don't mean it, there was a video about a trans girl whose father was misgendering her and the comments were like He said "I'd love them if they were a dinosaur, thats my kid" but they continued to use kid and at one pointz when asked if he did misgender them (the mothers statement) he said "then I'd call em Isaiah but i don't i call HIM (caps to emphasize what was heard) i call him *chosen name*" I might add he still believes she can change she's just not ready, which is true, if you can't listen to the person you want help from, get annoyed or frustrated enough to leave then YOU'RE NOT READY. Take it explain as much as you want but take real accountability and apologize (if that's what the kid wants or needs) so that you can help work towards it better.
@@andrenemurdock8288I feel like it's yall who are in your feelings because the kid was gay. Had the child been straight, all the comments would be how she needs to take accountability and good on Karamo for not letting her avoid accountability
@@thekalenichannel1812 I've noticed this so often with these comments, any time the child is gay or gender nonconforming/ trans the comments IMMEDIATELY side either with the parent and disregard Karamo entirely or they're like "mm you missed the mark." Why cause he's gay and you wanna make the parent the victim of their "lifestyle" ?
I applaud the mother for getting up and walking off. Every parent has dealt with their kid hanging with kids that maybe considered troublesome. She was right, Karamo was projecting.
Agree 100% Part of me wonders, even though he says he has a child, if he is a part of the lgbtq community himself. Because he goes to lengths (in this case for sure) to defend and be in a very harsh / disrespectful tone to those who aren’t PRO LGBTQ enough.
Yeah applaud walking away instead of dealing with such horrific words and abuse she gives her child. People like you are the problem. Abuse is abuse, period. The mother is ABUSIVE.
What show did you watch. What hate did he spew? Name one hateful thing he said. Meanwhile, she has told her own child she hates him and can’t take accountability for the source of it. She has an issue with who her son is. Period. And people like you are just as bad as her
He was never wrong in anything he said though in any of his shows but specifically this one 🤷🏽♀️ he hit everything on the head and the mom felt attacked instead of owning up to her mistakes as a parent
Your perspective changes when you become a parent. I'd absolutely hate it when my parents would get involved in my business, or nag about how they didn't think certain friends were good people. Looking back now, as a parent, I see they were doing their best to look out for me and keep me safe, and I'll do my best to keep mine safe.
KARAMO I love you and your shows but you didn't listen to the mom at all... It's your show but this was not solved cause you interepted too much... It wasn't about the LGBTQ community... Please listen more next time then give feedback you were projecting too much
I can’t he just spoke to her like that…she really wasn’t given an opportunity to fully say how she felt or explain herself. Has anyone ever had a heated conversation with their child and it’s like you’re fighting a devil??? Crap happens and she apologized for it. A lot happened but he also admitted to putting her mom through a lot! This is when you truly see a tv host and not a professional therapist working with a family on deep rooted issues!
I hear everything you’re saying except for the part where you say crap happens and she apologised. Firstly, just because I say the word sorry, doesn’t mean I mean it. Her body language was not remorseful. Secondly, saying I hate you as a parent, is something, you unfortunately, can never come back from. The minute my mother said that to me, I stopped seeing her as a mother and just an oppressive roommate. So no, I disagree with just letting her slide on the I hate you part. Just as quick as she could say it, she should be quick to here that she was wrong.
@@EarthyOnisha True. She took no real accountability for that at all. I've seen so many comments saying there's a thin line between love & hate, trying to justify her actions.
Karamo is not letting the mum talk. I think there is a lot more going on than what Karamo knows and what we are being told. The mother should’ve been allowed to talk and she was not given the chance to do that I like the host but the host needs to learn to listen and give time for a response.Karamo was 100% wrong
He's just now getting started although he had practice on Maury. He will get better. I think his focus was more about affirming the LGBTQ community with this story than the deeper issues. It would have taken more than one segment to get to those issues.
I totally agree. He didn’t let the mum talk or even get a chance to express how she really felt. The mum’s feeling is very valid! She has been kept away from her son for so long, and getting along is hard. That’s not on her!! Karamo wasn’t being understanding to her
Hurting the parent is equally irresponsible of Karamo! There is a difference in challanging and projecting. I think Karamo got injured by the mum when she mentioned it. That was projection. I support the kids but would never support behaviour that would hurth them eventually. Yes some of us maybe angels and never have made mistakes of not saying such heavy terms on our loved ones but we are here to help by also being listeners. So we also need our host to respect everyone on the show.
honestly, the mother wasn’t even in the wrong. First of all “you and your lifestyle” has nothing to do with being gay, not the way she used it. He might be living a certain lifestyle that the mother doesn’t approve of gay or straight. they didn’t let her talk at all, that’s crazy.
They acknowledged that already and regardless to tell your child you hate them ? It’s not an excuse .. he did this show PERFECTLY .. hopefully the mom can mature own up and be there the way she should be as a parent
Lets stop normalizing getting mad and saying hateful things to your children i rather walk away than tell my child i hate them. That sticks with them for the rest of there lives
I think her saying I hate you was taken in the wrong context. I feel like Karamo thought it was more about them being gay rather than the mother being frustrated and not being able to connect.
Ugh, that’s my cousin and her son. I think it’s wrong for Luke to have brought his mother on this show. Karamo came out guns blazing, and of course Mari went into defensive mode. That’s the sign of a bad host and moderator - sorry. People really don’t know the whole story. Karamo wouldn’t let Mari speak. Luke does make bad decisions, and he doesn’t own them. He has no accountability. He still has boy-like mentality. Her ex-husband is very wealthy and fought my cousin for years and was in a system of hood ole’ boy judges that always ruled in favor of him. My cousin always did what she could to get time with Luke and support him. It’s really disappointing that Luke is using this as an opportunity to expand his brand as social media influencer.
Karamo pushed the limit too much on this one. Sounded more personal and not so respectful of his guest. Regardless of how you feel or being triggered or not, you have a responsibility to display and engage in a respectful manner unless of course the guest is being egregious in their behavior. Her history with her son may not be right but she was being respectful in sharing her perspective..he was rude!
I agree. He didn't listen to the mother and because of his own unconscious bias misattributed her intent. Don't get me wrong. Her telling her son she hates him once or twice is once or twice too many, and I do wonder why she lost custody of him and could only have supervised visits. I wondered what she meant by "lifestyle." I don't get the impression that she was referring to him being gay, but to poor decisions she felt he'd made that appeared to put him at risk. Karamo made assumptions and then called her out on those assumptions. She walked off because she didn't feel heard and she wasn't, and because she was wrongly judged. That prevented discussion of the real issues and the things she had done that have impacted their relationship.
I recall Karamo saying that he came out early and his mom was cool with it... I don't think he went through in his home what most have to go through...
@@openearja Th fact that the mom doesn’t acknowledge her child as she. Proves theirs some inherit disregard for her child. Simple as that. He sent wrong about that! She has some unconscious biases.
I don’t know if this clip showed the entire segment, I disagree with Karamo. She said her child was being irresponsible and she didn’t get to tell her side on this clip. I wish they would have given more time to the son and the mother.. cuz I don’t think this was a “lifestyle” thing. It sounds like she was being an intrusive mom, especially with the friend thing. Everything about this segment is incomplete.
he never cared about the mother, its like he condone the messy behavior because he is gay a well. mess is mess. gay men tend to live very dangerously and karamo never touched on that because he was be bias
@@andrenemurdock8288 oh it wasn’t bc he was barreled raised by mother and said mother told that same child she hate him. THANK YOU GOD you’re not in a position like he is bc you would’ve been a pathetic therapist.
I think she’s right! He wasn’t listening. He had his own ideas and biases and wasn’t willing to learn differently. Even the boy was defending the mom because the child knows his mother’s intentions. But Karamo was too busy projecting! I wOuLd nEvEr sAY tO mY kIdS…. But we ain’t talking about you!!! Usually I’m in total agreement with my guy Karamo but this wasn’t good. He was wrong and rude. I’m sorry for the mom and son. They clearly love each other VERY MUCH… hope they make it through this rough patch fast so they can heal 😔❤️🩹
So u ignore that fact she TOPICS HER CHILD SHE HATE HIM yall have entire think pieces on this and have never even taken a class about this. It’s not projecting if HES DESCRIBING HER BEHAVIOR.
_“Usually I’m in total agreement with my guy Karamo...”_ *But WHY?!?!* This is the 3rd show of his I’ve seen, and he’s a rude, nasty individual in all three videos (the other ones covered Chef Pii and her food critic Alle). This overtly feminine man immediately takes the side of whoever looks or acts like him (in the Chef Pii shows, he sided with Chef Pii because she’s black and Alle’s white - in this show he took the side of the lgbt son, because duh). I will never watch another video of this rude, condescending, biased, immoral, illogical man.
I'm sorry.. He was being rude to the mother... He didn't make things better.... That son knows his mother loves him, yes they have their issues but I don't think it's as toxic as it was being made out to be.... He talked down to her.... That's why she walked of stage!
1st time, I’ve ever heard Karamo over talk someone. The mom definitely doesn’t know the right terminology but there are some additional issues that I wish would have come out. I think the child also has done some inappropriate stuff.
I remember an episode where the mother was incredibly hateful towards her daughters. One of the girls stood up in the audience and the mother kept telling her to shut up and sit down and the girl was shaking and crying. Karamo NEVER not once corrected that woman. He even ended that show telling the daughters just to tell their mom they love her whenever she was rude and disrespectful. Smh! And this woman is treated like this? You can’t help people properly if you fail to be objective. She was clearly hurt.
In my opinion, totally different situation, the one your speaking of was a grief situation where the mother felt like she wasn't loved but the husband who passed was loved, vs this which is just a kid and the parent, the only grief involved was possibly the mothers loss of what she wanted her child to become.
@Kitty. Yeah I don’t agree. I think it’s ingrained in children to want the love and respect from both parents. It’s not up to the children to show the way. But maybe she grew up and had it rough. But it’s hard to love someone like that mother because she seems to push her daughters away
@@jollymollyramram9702 no it's not the children responsibility, but if they ar3 the ones coming asking karamo they wanted to help their momma and in that case he's saying "if you want this relationship work on it" and they can chose if they want to, if its worth it?
This particular episode seems like a bit of a stretch. It didn't connect well and felt like Karamo wasn't listening to the mom without bias. She clarified just about everything that was said about her with dignity and respect but he kind of jumped at the slightest opportunity to "read" her. I don't think he did it intentionally but that is what happened. The sensitive nature of the topic didn't fully apply to these guests.
You didn’t give the Mom a chance to speak and explain. I actually agree when she said she hates the lifestyle, not her son. There are other circumstances that got them to that point. And no one knows the whole story but them.
Yes I agree..I believe she is being protective of her son as well, so many things happened to the LGBT community and her all is protecting her son. She just afraid for his life, I'm sure if there werent alot of people against the LGBT community, his lifestyle wouldn't be a problem but there were so many ppl being killed for being Gay and I believe that's what she was trying to say but didn't get the chance to.
She said HIM AND HIS LIFESTYLE. She was saying it right. She didn’t say that his sexuality was a lifestyle. We all have a “lifestyle” that does NOT include our sexuality. Which is what she was speaking about. I’ve never seen Karamo do TOO much until this moment. I would say more, but I’ll just keep my mouth shut on this
I love Karamo but she was right, he WAS projecting. He didn’t even let the mom finish talking. And no, she shouldn’t say she hates her son. As someone who’s in the lgbt community, it’s nothing wrong with her saying lifestsyle. Plenty of us say it all the time.
totally agree he ws clearly projecting is so clear to me that when the momesaid life style she was talking about her sons choices when it comes to the people he chills with and the decisions that he made regarding his friends parents know shit ive been there my mom could tell when my friends were fake every time.
Yes, as a queer person, having a same-sex orientation is NOT A LIFESTYLE. But there are VERY DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES TO CHOOSE FROM as a gay person just as there are many different lifestyles to choose from as a straight person. "The Scene" (night club, drag club, bar, pick-up culture, drinking, drugs, partying) is not an identity, it is a lifestyle and it is not the only option for gay people. There are gay people who prefer hiking and nature or joining the Gay Men's Choir, or gay softball team or gay-affirming church activities focusing on political activism, art or academic hobbies and engaged in very age-appropriate activities or social groups. They are not coming into contact with sex workers, homeless people, drug addicts, assorted pimps and predators and less than savory folk who hang around the "The Scene." What I am understanding from this video is the mother would not have the same problem if her son was hanging around the "Heartstopper", Chris Colfer, "Glee" type LGBTQIA people aiming for the same bright future of college, a career etc. that most accepting people would have no issues having in their home, or letting their teen take to prom or a date. It seems her son prefers the "Eurphoria" crowd of LGBTQ+ people; MESSY, TOXIC, PROBLEMS etc. So while yes, his mother has some issues with accountability and maybe struggled a bit (and still may be struggling) with his identity, I genuinely believe she does not want him around the wrong crowd and that is UNDERSTANDABLE.
Exactly! This was exactly my take away from the show..for me it was evident that's what she meant when she said "you(sexuality) and your lifestyle(irresponsible behavior)" I just think we LGBT people do too much sometimes fr
Let me just say this, when my daughter came out to me, I was hurt. As a mom I alienated my child, wouldn’t speak to her, and mind you me and my daughter was close. After about a month of this, I saw a change in my daughter and she started going to other parents for advice and at that moment, I had my reality check. I birthed that child and I’m going to raise my child regardless of her sexual orientation. Of course I set boundaries and to this day she respects those boundaries, she has never disrespected those boundaries, and I love her girlfriend so much and do for her like she’s mine. It was hard, but at the end of the day I know I raised my child right.
I definitely don’t agree with his assessment on this. He’s getting angry with her because it triggers something in his past. It is a lifestyle choice. Not to mention he doesn’t have a clue what transpired between this woman and her ex husband. He definitely was projecting, he’s not a child and he was wrong for disrespecting her.
I said the same thing when the son was defending his mother you could see that he was uncomfortable at him for going in on his mother. From what I got the son is spoiled disrespectful and careless and she snapped once but the son even said that the mother loves him and is accepting of his life style. He went too hard on the mother for my liking
i feel like she was getting the chance to talk, but she wasn’t willing to listen and accept what karamo was trying to tell her & inform her on. he ask a question, she answer or give her piece etc etc, but it wasn’t like she was just being cut off completely because when karamo was trying to talk to her and give her the knowledge, she got mad and defensive and walked away. now for luke i feel like he wasn’t used to someone sticking up to his mom, which is normal, it’s his mom! but he was just saying how she’s basically butting in on parts of his life that he doesn’t want her to. you can’t necessarily have both, a mom you want there but a mom that’s not in your business it’s not in their nature to not be in their kids business whether you 12, 24, or 64. parents always going have that instinct.
All I can say is I think it’s evident as to why she wasn’t awarded full custody. Controlling personality. And when she finally meets someone who challenges her behaviour she storms off like a baby.
You can tell she has trouble with taking accountability, she had already waved off the fact that she said I hate you when it was first mentioned earlier
yeah it was almost like she felt justified like tell them what you did for me to say that, but there should never be any action that makes you tell your child you hate them. his point was all parents wish they could say it sometimes (tbh) and they may feel it, but something (karamo suspects implicit biases against lgbtq) inside her makes her think it was ok to say that even if it was only in the moment. it’s a deeper issue cause you can tell she loves her kid
My child and I have had rounds and I know I've said "I don't like you" in text messages but only after receiving some horrendous, inspeakable text messages from her. We have a toxic relationship and it gets that way sometimes and she's not LGTBQ. Just regular mother/daughter issues. I can't even give regular parental advice without being cussed at, so now I've stopped saying anything beyond talking about her youngest 2 year old child that I've had for a year. I think that's what this lady was trying to get across. They have some issues that probably go beyond her child being trans. Sorry she walked off before being able to get her point across.
respectfully, I do think the point karamo was trying to make was about saying I hate you. it’s clear this mother loves her child and wants the best for them so why say I hate you? we all fight with our parents and say messed up things. but for a parent to tell their child I hate you, a parent who is clearly loving and isn’t abusive, it’s not the child it’s something else. he’s saying I know you love your child so understand that the issue you have for lgbtq or even just people you see as being reckless and not living “respectable” lives is affecting your relationship with your kid. idk I only felt the need to defend his point because I didn’t understand at first but when he repeated and I thought to all the terrible fights and things my mother has said to me, that woman has called me everyone word in the book but she would die before telling me she hates me. I feel sad for this mother I really wish she would have stayed but karamo was getting stern I wish he would’ve been softer with her. but as a man who has dealt with this insidious discrimination his whole life, I’ll allow it 😂
See this is why conversation can't happen the mom has the right to feel how she feel. Smfh everyone doesn't have to accept everything smfh yea he's being bias 😤
Extremely biased and out of line. Thats not his child, he has no right to tell that mom how to feel. Her son even said she has been supportive, dude was just cutting her off and projecting A LOT! Sounds to me like the host has some unhealed wounds with his own family.
No parent with morals wants to accept there son transition into a (Itch).. A woman was created by God for a particular purpose.. A Itch can't replace woman!!
Did Karamo just check Mom?? That truth hurts and she can't keep running away from it. Why can't she be honest and say how she feels without being nasty about it? It doesn't matter who her child chooses to be he/she is still her child.
I would've walked off too to keep from going off.. He wanted her to say she hated her son for being gay so bad. She said her son had a bad attitude. Some people of the LGBT community, especially the "men" and Trans can have the nastiest snappy attitudes ever and is mean because they wake up automatically believing the world is against them, so they're reday to fight. They think everybody is supposed to automatically be open-minded to them changing their sex when sometimes a parent, family, friends have to grieve the loss of who they use to be. I can imagine it's hard for all parties. Some of them are entitled and need counseling on the proper way to transition. Just like the LBGT have feelings that's valid, so does the mother.. They come on the show for a pity party and think any bad feelings against them is because they're gay or not being accepted. No. Sometimes someone don't like you because your attitude is nasty. Who cares if you're gay...that's nothing new. Gee-whiz...I can't stand that Karomo and the gay guest always think the reason they aren't liked or tolerated is because of their sexuality. That's not cool.
hard agree. i've admittedly not watched a lot of karamo clips, but from what i've observed he talks slightly too much and really just shuts down the person he disagrees with. yeah, it's his show, of course he's gonna speak, but the thing about having a talk show that's largely interview and problem resolution based, you really, really, have to make sure you let the other people convey their ideas and motives before interjecting with resolution. we don't even know what situation led up to her telling her son "i hate you" and why. as a mediator, you have to lead the conversation, not dominate it, and make sure the few words you say really count.
I kinda feel for the Mom. I'm so for uplifting The Queer Community FULLY, but I'm sure She had experiences with her child that would maybe blow one's mind. What Karamo said about stereotypes is true, but her experiences was invalidated by him. She maybe right when she pointed out, " that he may be projecting 😬" The fact that she reacted the way she did when she thought he was missing ( out of love ) speaks volumes. And, the lack of apperception for her concern form her child, also speaks volumes. That's where Luke lost me....... Luke's "Tone" with his mom is kinda cold and nasty. He may be fed up, but I think he just might be a brat. Clearly he grow up Seemingly privilege. And I'm betting that his Daddy got money, since he won the custody ( over a mother ). Where is the Daddy btw??? Also Luke is an adult, young adult but adult. I'm not really understanding why this was a show topic 😬.......respectfully I say.
I came out as bisexual to both of my parents and they both immediately said it is a phase. I can see how they built my life already and knowing this information probably set them aback. But it still hurts I just wanted to be accepted, but I didn’t come out to them in so long with the fear of not being accepted that when I wasn’t accepted it didn’t even bother me as much as I thought it would. All I know is I accept and love myself each and every single day
Her losing custody, and being able to utter the words “I hate you“ to her child or messaging her child’s friends and not being able to handle the pressure or take accountability, proves exactly what Kamaro is saying 🤷🏾♀️. It’s not even fully about her son living as a woman but her lack of understanding, and compassion and growth and healing. If anyone’s projecting it would be her.
she said you’re projecting and left. it was clear tho she only wanted to talk about things she is right about. I have this issue with my mom she takes any criticism or discussion over her parenting or actions as the biggest personal attack. My mom is an amazing mother but her reaction to me even wanting to discuss how she’s affected me, makes her a bad mom in that moment. which I’ve tried to tell her but obviously that was unproductive.
Karamo should have let Luke’s mom explain herself instead of jumping on her as quickly as he did. The way the show portrayed her as a parent was very wrong. She fought tooth and nail to get custody of Luke. She was up against a wealthy ex-husband who basically out-spent her. She did not abandon Luke by any means. Karamo had already pre-judged her by saying that it takes a lot for a mother to lose custody, or something to that effect. All the producers had to do was look at the custody court filings to see how long and hard she fought. Also, When were those words of “hate” said, last month, last year, 3 years ago?? Im sure she meant to say she hated his actions, not him. Karamo needs to bring her back on and let her talk!
Thank you!!! Not my favorite segment. They made her out for trash when she couldn't share her side. When she referred to Luke's "lifestyle" she didn't mean him being LGBT, she meant Luke picking up homeless ppl who wrecked his car. Lets say her sons lifestyle involved drugs. Karamo would have no problem with her saying "lifestyle". But the point the mom was making is that I support my son in his community but his life CHOICES outside of who he is, is questionable. You wouldn't say to a gay drug addict "i accept your abuse of drugs" so why force the mom into a corner that she was referring to lukes identify, when she meant that kids make BAD decisions at times because they ARE KIDS. Nothing wrong with that. Also bring the court receipts, there were many times I felt my mom has failed me but when I found out WHY she had her short comings, I felt like an asshole because I had idea of the STRUGGLE she went through. More empathy was needed by everyone on this segment. Deff a turn off. Projection WAS made on the mom, Luke deff wanted 30 seconds of fame.
Yeah I don't think her walking off was for the reasons it made it look like. It seemed more like "I know I'm not going to be allowed to speak on the dangerous things my kid is doing regardless of orientation so this conversation is over " I love Karamo but I think she's right I think he's projecting his implicit bias on her. Someone picking up a homeless person should have been a longer conversation. Like what's the context, was the charity for someone kicked out or a rando? Just like picking up hitch hikers is bad so is random homeless men. I feel there was alot more to the moms side.
Lol so if it was 3 years prior then that makes it okay for her to say she hates her child 🧐 as long as it wasn’t in the past 3 months? Cmon now, this is a stretch. She wasn’t ready to take accountability, which is needed for people to move forward. Furthermore, she is the PARENT. She chose to have a child with that man. Why should her child pay for the irresponsible behavior she made as an adult. And the irony that she thinks she has a right to judge her kid. Apparently she’s not a great judge of character either if that’s the type of person she chose to have a kid with.
Karamo was being annoying as hell. I'm a full blown lesbian myself but nah, he reached with this one. Her saying you and your lifestyle did not need all the extra attention. Her child is probably rude and sassy as hell to her sometimes and she calls him out on it. And we all know some people's friends are unsavory and suspect as hell, as a mom, she's making sure he's aware of that.
As a mom I can’t fathom treating my kids this way or talking to them in this manner. You don’t have to agree with the things your child does or how they decide to live their lives your job is to love them no matter what.
Karamo really did an injustice to the mother in this one and he should apologise. Here's a rundown of what he did: 1. Karamo clearly feels passionate about the LGBTQ community, but he continuously brought up an issue that DID NOT APPLY TO THEIR RELATIONSHIP. The mother claimed that there's disrespect going on and that shes trying to look out for her child. Not that she didn't accept her childs sexuality. 2. He then claims that the mother shouldn't have said that she hated the child, and Karamo is right. HOWEVER, why is the child not being held accountable for the poor decisions that SHE IS MAKING? 3. And then to top it all off, Karamo tells the child that SHE DOES NOT NEED TO BE AROUND A PERSON LIKE THAT. Who in their right mind tells a child that they don't need a parent around them who is clearly trying to look out for them? Ridiculous.
He's not a child he's a grown ADULT, fully capable of making his own choices, however he chooses. Karamo was giving advice in not having TOXIC people regardless if they're family or not around you because it does more harm than good.
Not accepting sexuality is an issue. Trust n believe it is cuz we are people no different than a straight person. It’s hate. Last point if a parent or person is abusive LEAVE if you have the power to. Fuck her being the mom you not gonna fuck up a kid like that. The way y’all give tickets to parents is beyond me.
I think the mom was right and Karamo was way wrong! I think that the mom loved her child at the end of the day, even her son said it but Karamo twisted her words.
Tbh, I agree with the MOM that Karamo was projecting! He was being presumptuous and he was defensive. I hope he rewatches that so that he can see how he could have a better conversation in the future! Good start, though.
@@chole9506 Thank you for saying that because I know a lot would disagree, but it really has nothing to do with lgtb because it could've been about anything that applied to Karamo and perhaps he would've been defensive ( understand why) but when you are trying to explain something to someone as he was the mother, he should be as open and on relaxed as he wants that person to be.
He was totally projecting though like that’s her kid she didn’t like his friends but not once did she say was it because they were lgbtq+. And as someone who has come out to a parent it’s an adjustment how they see you no matter what they still love you but as long as they progress your gonna have to let them move at their own pace.
I think we all collectively agree Karamo went harder on this woman than most. Even the mother who kept saying her children were evil, and responsible for her husband's death. He was still empathetic and level-headed. Here he is projecting and making it about him and his own issues and insecurity. He is a human, and he has failed here. But still very disappointing.
Karamo was too harsh with her!!! He WAS projecting. She didn’t appear to be upset with him for being lGBTQ, he was his disrespect and choice of friends. Any normal parent will respond the same way. I hate you is really bad to say to your child, but not everyone has mastered how to control their emotions and say things they will regret later. He was doing too much
Nah, karamo was spot on.... She has love for her child but she also has a toxic past, as most of us do. Her child wasn't even ready for his mom to be challenged. I would NEVER go on a talk show to debate a perfectionist. Karamo is on point.
Yeah he really did do too much, why can’t the mother say a lifestyle. Why does she have to agree with her son’s homosexuality. Why? I do feel it’s very wrong for her to tell her son she hates him but karomo seem to really attack the mom. What is really going on?
“You would not disrespect a child” but it’s okay for a child to disrespect their parents.. this whole talk is one sided cause Karamo is only focused on standing up for the boy identifying with the lgbtq and proving his mom to be terrible in a way… this is just too one sided and not fair
He was way out of line for how he treated the mother. Karamo got in his feelings and started attacking the mother. This made me sick. I would have walked off too. You could clearly see the mother was trying. He took a few things she said out of context and ran with it. He started raising his voice and getting aggressive. I have no interest in this show
He wasn’t projecting. She said lifestyle after he explained not to say that to someone lgbtq. And then she walked off instead of being confronted with the fact that she said she hated him, which we all know she doesn’t and karamo never implied that. He was saying that she must have bias against him being lgbtq, and that’s why she said that. It wasn’t a regular ‘I hate you’. And if it was, she should’ve stayed and explained herself, apologized, she’s a grown adult. Her child is asking for help with their relationship and she chose to walk off. That’s on her
i usually respect karamo but this was not right… it’s obvious that Luke is not doing responsible things. letting a homeless person you barely know live with you is NOT safe and that has NOTHING to do with LGBTQ+ (which i am a part of) and for the people that Luke hangs around to call their mom and joke about situations like someone missing is not right and potentially dangerous/harmful. do i believe that Lukes mom should say or do the things she has done? absolutely not but i think that Karamo has made Luke’s situation worse with his mother and also might be enabling him to continue unsafe behavior
She does not hate her child. She hated how he’s living his life and it has nothing to do with him being gay. I have a heterosexual son whom I love but hate his lifestyle of promiscuity, drugs and greed. A “Mom” is still human and like all humans we do and say things we regret and she acknowledged it. You whiney kids need to try to see things from all perspectives.
@@karentaylor7146 “You whiney kids” 😂 Ma’am, I might be young (23) but I’m a mother myself and I said what I said. Anything that spews out of your mouth gives life and can also take life. The “power of the tongue” is very REAL and to say you “hate” your child(ren), is very ungodly, hateful and disgusting.
When she said that Karamo was projecting, she was basically saying that he's guilty of what she's done too. So that's why he said, he's never told his son he hates him. Remember his son almost died from an overdose. That's poor choices that scare any parent to death. But I agree, that our words hold weight and when we are irresponsible with what we say and spew vile things to each other, especially our babies...that's just low. It's hard as a parent to be humbled and own up to our mistakes. But our pride should never be bigger than the love for our children. She's not a bad mother at all but she needs to own up to the mistakes. Her walking out was due to her own convictions.
I respect and appreciate Karamo's ability to be objective when addressing guests--LOVE IT!!!! However, this episode seemed personal for Karamo. His facial expressions, tone of voice and body language were defensive. I was disappointed that his way of being alienated the mother and did not embrace and validate in his usual manner. Karamo ALWAYSSSSS leaves his guests feeling whole and able to reconsider their positions and heal; reunite with their loved one(s). I trust Karamo will self reflect, move out of his own wa y and redo this episode with his usual objectivity enabling both mom and son to appreciate each others perspective.
I agree with you on all points. But I’ll be surprised if Karamo self reflects. He showed his true self in this episode and it’s not pretty. Physician heal thyself.
The mother was not in the wrong. What she means with “You and your lifestyle” is that she didn’t like how he was behaving and the life choices he was making. That has nothing to do with being gay. The same thing could be said about a straight person.
For this segment in particular, I do agree with Karamo. The mother was deflecting in this situation which means she was redirecting the criticism she was receiving in an attempt to avoid dealing with the “consequences” of some kind. Now I do believe that the mother shouldn’t have walked off stage and should have listened to Karamo before saying that he was projecting and tried to understand where Luke and Karamo were coming from, but also walking away from your problems won’t fix them they will just follow you and keep growing, so it’s better to deal with it head on instead of walking away and letting it fester. Side note I’m only 16 and I’m just restating what my Ap psychology teacher taught us about defense mechanisms so please don’t leave any hate 😊
Yes to an extent. As someone that has also taken psychology classes you can see that karamo was projecting and also being defensive over the lgbtq community and over her son. His body language changed, he was more aggressive in nature, and interrupting the mother and son. He was focused very intently on lgbtq aspect of the issue instead of using critical thinking to realize the mothers wording and few of her actions was wrong but her anger or actions was not solely about him being gay but about him being irresponsible and disrespectful.
He gaslighted her she couldn't even finish her statement anytime she says something it was a valid reason but yet he put his own personal beliefs on their situation... That's his mama he was supposed to get up and go with her this speaks volumes on how a stranger could manipulate you versus somebody who loves you
Or could mean picking up strange men in other states who could potentially be a Jeffrey Dahmer and having them live in ur house. That is a foolish lifestyle which needs to be called out regardless of sexuality
I thought this was about his DECISIONS not his Sexuality. 🙄 Also, you can't make People accept or believe in what you believe in. Let's get to what the hell bad Choices he's been making! 😒
I could live with myself because god is forgiving and I also have learned how to forgive myself from my past mistakes, if you cannot realize and learn the same thing that is your own problem. Also you made mistakes with your kids so you are no better than her like you think, Jesus will judge you the same way you judge her, so be very careful Matthew 7:2. Finally if you don’t care what someone does to another person with showing empathy for their feeling leading mercy shown towards them and encouraging forgiveness in others than you need to stay out of the stay out the situation and mind your business. Take that hater.
@@2delicious57 Don't throw your Bible bs at me.. Your just trying to condone that behavior. Also, you either are this woman or know her.. Shame on you if your either if you truly believe thats ok..
so did y’all miss the part where she was getting defensive and said we don’t have all day to talk about this being rude and then that’s when karamo put her in her place
right! and people are glossing over the fact that Karamo is calling out the fact that she said " I hate you" to Luke and how it must've came from something deep rooted and Karamo wanted her to take accountability
Props to the son for defending his mom despite everything 🤍 Karamo was wrong for this and was definitely projecting, he has had far wilder situations to deal with on his show but is never this triggered. And there was no real “support” since it was one sided.
I know what he said is true and it happens with parents and their kids all the time. I have experienced this with my kids. When I had a vision of what I thought my kids life would be and they made choices that I disagreed with it pissed me off now I never said I hated them but in that moment I felt mad about it. The son is right he has to make mistakes in order to learn however it is a challenge for parents to see your kids even as adults make choices in which the choices may cause harm or have life changing effects that cause detriment
Disappointing how the mother was treated. She probably does a lot for his son that wasn’t given the opportunity to share in the show. That’s a mother that cares about her child.
I really hope u see this Karamo. I love your show but this really hit me the wrong way. She was trying to be so respectful and you were completely disrespectful. This was a horrible episode in my opinion
@@alexandrean6657 it’s underhanded manipulation. You gotta pay attention to the language that she’s using ad emphasis on the tone. The emphasis on “him” implies that he’s not masculine enough therefore that he’s not worthy of love. The mother wants him to be someone else.
@@PdoxDV She wants him to be more responsible and make better decisions that wouldn’t put him in danger. The boy is reckless. His recklessness IS a lifestyle. Not his sexuality. It’s a lifestyle he chose. He chose to house a homeless man, he chose the people he associates himself with. His actions are his lifestyle, not who he is as a person and I think that’s where the mom is coming from.
@@alexandrean6657 I think you’re more reasonable than the actual mother homie. Everything you said is a hard undeniable truth, but my fear is despite mom’s genuine concern about what you said, she is still deeply against him loving a man or being any semblance of feminine or not traditionally masculine. Imma watch the video again.
It's unwise to make avoidable mistakes, some mistakes will ruin your life forever and the scar will never heal. All these kids needs to be told the honest truth. I LOVE THAT WOMAN
I don’t identify as gay but I can’t get over how much this moms energy represents my mom n if I were to have taken her on here n discussed our childhood/parental issues & traumas. Luckily she’s moved to a better spot of boundary respecting n communicating but
I don't think he was projecting. I genuinely think he was right...even if it wasn't about him being gay, she said herself that he put her through a lot and thats what made her say that. "What's in you gon come out of you."
GREAT JOB Karamo 😊👏👏 sexual orientation is not a lifestyle . The same way her as an heterosexual woman is not a lifestyle , being gay , bisexual , pansexual , and being transgender is not a lifestyle. People are born gay , straight , bisexual , pansexual , asexual , and people who have gender identity who are transgender. EDUCATION is the remedy for ignorance.
Yes it is a choice all day and every day ?you don’t have to concede to to a feeling that doesn’t produce, the anal of ones body is not a birth canal, the penis was Designed for the vagina, that’s how me and you got here, although we did not design our physical make up, at the beginning of our birth no choice in that matter, but after we arrive and grow then there are decisions and choices we make for our selves, and pleasures we pursue, and people we choose to associate with, and lifestyles we choose, places we choose to go, all of these are left up to our choosing ,so stop with these false theories when it comes to sex ,cause you don’t have to do it with that person, just cause they say it’s alright, would you stop at a child ?yes of course, would you stop at a brother or sister? yes of course ,so you can stop at the same sex ,yes you can your choice ,if you no that it’s wrong stop letting your imagination run rampant and wild , physically you are male or female, made for each other and produce through each other, created by God almighty design, undisputed truth nothing else but the truth will stand , give your life to Jesus today he will give you your real identity , beware of satan who lies to your mind . Read the book of life .
No one is born gay period that’s a choice because you obey your pappy Satan and do not obey GOD the one that created you male or female. So no excuse for being gay your choice heaven or hell. Facts
@@teespirit8465 Shut up with your homophobia. God is not something everyone believes in, and from my perspective, is a tool to make people like you obedient and feel like there's something for you when you die when you follow some "rules"and give you something to hold onto for a question that you can't answer. The "book of truth" is created by man. Full of stories and rules that I bet you don't even follow to a tea. Changed by man so they can bend people to what they see fit. Hell wasn't even real and the devil didn't run it. Men made that shit up. Stop going around "preaching" to those who don't care for it nor want to hear it. As it's simply you showing your ignorance and is you trying to force people to follow a religion through fear, false information, and frankly, sexism. Go actually educate yourself. Not read a book that has nothing backing up what it claims.
When the mother walked off and the person in the audience said “yeah bye BYE” 💀. Sorry I would have had to turn back around
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😂😂😂 yeah would’ve had to see about her
Right cause it’s nun of that person business hell
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She knows she was wrong. You never tell a child you hate them under any circumstances.
You are clueless. Luke’s behavior is very toxic & he has never taken responsibility. Karamo did not know this Mother or their story bc he cut her off! He wanted to see division for ratings.
@@u.s.patriot298that doesn't mean you tell your child you hate them. That behavior is toxic on the parent's part, the mom has to take accountability as well it's not all on Luke
he didnt even let the mom explain herself
there is no way to explain away you telling your child you hate them.
He was biased from the get go and was determined to make it about his sexuality and supporting the lgb comm.
that woman raised him.
I’m 37 and I have 3 older siblings and I know how frantic my mum gets whenever she calls and can’t reach any of us. I’m sorry but that woman was being a mother first to him and that child has disrespect and disdain for his mother written all over him/her.
She might not have approved of his sexuality ab initio but have come to accept it but every other issue they have is obviously not about his sexuality. Who in the world just meets someone and picks them up out of nowhere starts dating them and expects their parents not to be worried. Hasn’t he heard of Jeffery Dahmer?
@@champyb even her child said she/he doesn’t think she hates him because I’m sure she’s put her through it. I’ve seen movies with children telling their parents they hate them out of frustration…… is that ok too?
He was projecting
I agree! I think he took this way to personal. You can hear the hurt and frustration in his voice… You come for my kids and we’re going to have a problem. I’m very protective over my children and I totally understand where she’s coming from as a mother.. I get he’s in that fun, young and dumb stage but he’s putting himself in dangerous situations..
Lifestyle, noun. The way in which a person or group lives. 😂🤣 He took this more personal than Luke!
I feel Karamo made everything about his sexuality and not the bad choices/friends. The mom said he picked up a random stranger and days later that person got his name tattooed across his chest. That poor decision making. If he's done that what other bad choices has he made that she has tried to warn him about that had absolutely nothing to do with his sexuality. Had he allowed his GUEST to speak maybe they would have had a chance to understand each other.
Everyone missed this point. 😪 lets talk about poor choices made as a human. Totally separate from sexual identity.
So true. I feel like Karamo was too hung up on the mother’s wording and calling it a lifestyle instead of listening to the mothers concerns about her child’s choices. And yeah she said she hated him but obviously she didn’t mean it. We’re human we all slip up and say things we may not mean. Kinda did feel bad to see her crying in the back, she must feel horrible and everyone looks at her like a monster
@@arbsan8366 Agreed she’s not a monster at all they both need counseling together to learn how to better communicate and understand each other. Karamo missed an opportunity to truly help them.
Thank you, he made it about his sexuality meanwhile if we’re really watching you can see he has no respect for his mum. See how he talks about the friend and the friend calling that he’s missing.
Only heaven knows how hard the son must have pushed a button for her to say that to him considering American children tell that to their parents a lot.
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I’ll never sit there and let someone talk to my mom like that. It’s clear the son noticed kamaro behavior in the end and starting defending her. You solved nothin here
a mother will NEVER tell their child they hate them period. He did nothing wrong, what he did was try to get her to understand everything she's done that hurt her child
@@nialarie Mothers are people before they're anything else and therefore flawed... just because this is how her brokenness shows up doesn't make her worst than any of us... Karamo was on the attack here and wasn't listening... if my son moved a homeless person in and they then got a tattoo of their name after a short period I would too be alarmed...
@@mygoodness7765 exactly!
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The mother is ABUSIVE, period. ABUSE IS NOT OK ON ANY LEVEL. You are part of the problem.
Karamo was wrong in this situation. He got triggered, and made it about his own situation as a gay man, instead of the families situation. Gay situations aren't monolithic.
Karamo deviated from the real issue and that's the concerns of her child's safety and influences around him.
I do agree. he did not handle it with grace. I am a queer and nonbinary person and can speak a little about that. I do think he is knowledgeable but even wise people can get triggered, make mistakes and let their own background influence the wat they handle a situation
He’s wrong in a lot of situations 😭😭😭
@@moonflowers333he's supposed to maintain professionalism instead of getting in his feelings. Stop making excuses for him and just call a spade a spade. He's there to help, not be a bully. Period.
He did not bully. He simply said its never okay to say "I hate you to a child." You all need to wake up
He called her out. She has an issue with who her child is. Period. And she couldn’t face that
Being gay doesn’t make you exempt from hanging out with the wrong crowd… thats all mom was saying… you were painting a different picture that wasn’t there and enabling her son even further. She’s a caring mom who see’s the red flags and is trying to protect him. Yes, she’s definitely overstepping in some aspects but she wasn’t able to be a mom when he was young so she doesn’t know how to hold back and let him make mistakes. That has nothing to do with his preference.
I think Karamo is wrong on this one...feels like he is projecting...she is concerned about his decisions..not his sexuality...she needs to step back a little bit...and by lifestyle..i think she is saying that the friends he surrounds himself with and the choices he makes seems wreckless..but mama..he needs to make them and you may have to guide but not interfere
Karamo stated facts, you can’t, Karen!
No no no cause one when she keeps saying “lifestyle” she’s being disrespectful he’s not projecting at all that woman would not be concerned. A concerned parent doesn’t say I hate you to their own child I don’t care if you wasn’t in that child life for most of the time you never say that her actions are very ugly and nasty
The bald man was making the "lifestyle" an issue when it's not even an issue to the lost man that needed help.
I couldn't agree with you more. He's been too quick to judge that woman
I'm speculateing all this.
So he got involved with a group of people who he calls friends and felt he finally belong. Okay so..
Could it be someone from that group that might've called his mother "stirring up trouble" causing the mother frantic of the whereabouts of her son.? Can't blame her for calling around.
On the other hand, the son may have purposely turned off he's phone, so he could have privacy?,, did his friends respect his privacy.? Maybe it could be that someone in that group became envious over his secret date.?
The mother's intuition felt something is not right and her actions went towards the individuals. Could that have caused them to spread negative vibes .?
I see a self-centered person sitting there admiring himself.
Siding for he's friends over his mother is a no no, it just goes to say he made his choice.
I can see why she walked away in tears! She was denied again not only by her son but by the host for voicing her opinion, yet believing he might have the equality to bring balance between her and her son, the host took it as an insult.
Yes, no doubt it's wrong to tell a "child" I hate you, but he's not a child. I believe she got fed up of his disrespectful demeanor towards her.
C'mon now two wrongs don't make a right.. Someday he's going to wake-up and realize who's his real friends are.. "when he laughs, he's friends laugh", but when he cries he's friends won't be crying., only his mother will.
Not all of us watching this are part of the LGBTQ+ community, but there is something here all of us can learn from. Our parents toxicity is not about us. It's about them and who they are. We might want to have a good relationship with them, but ultimately, they have to be willing to grow and heal themselves for that to happen.
Until they are ready to do that, it is okay to cut contact. Having a parent tell you they hate you and other horrible things is not something any of us needs to put up with.
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I don't think it has to do with the way he presents or who he chooses to love I think it's more so of his irresponsible behavior. I don't agree with her saying she hates him, but I definitely feel that Karamo was projecting. She never said anything negative about LGBTQ people. She was a concerned parent. He made it an LGBTQ issue. He also came at her parenting and was interputing her and her childs moment to speak. He's wrong on this segment.
Actually agree I think there issues have nothing to do with lgbt or the child’s choice that way, because the mom seems maybe emotionally unavailable idk? And the child probably is irresponsible but there’s a better way and the moms not doing that. I feel they need communication advice I don’t even think her issue is her child being gay tbh.
@@bumblebee_0112 Agreed!
I agree as well. She's just an overly concerned parent. It seems like she trying to make up for what she lacked in his childhood so she's like helicopter mom over his decision. And instead of standing back and observing and supporting him when he does fall into mistakes she just seems to be trying to be there to catch it at the rim before it pours over instead of just letting it flow.
Her insisting on calling her child's sexuality/ identity a "lifestyle" is 10000% a dog whistle and shows that this is someone who has not made the effort to educate themselves on their side. It might be ignorance rather than malice but that is still obviously causing pain for her child.
That said, I thought it was a bit out of line for him to say basically, "if you say 'i hate you', it means you hate something in your child". It is not a great takeaway for her child either, though luckily he seems to understand that her saying the nastiest things she can think of is 100% about her rage/ control issues and not him. I hope she realizes that if her son really is just latching on to questionable people, her conditional and hot/ cold affection is not helping the situation and likely a good chunk of the root of it.
@@krystalwilcher9110 overly concerned is not telling your child you hate them
Karamo, you lost control of that situation because your ego got in the way. Yes, the mother clearly has a lot of unresolved concerns; however, you did not make it any better for her. You were more interested in sustaining your prominence as a professional; that should not have been the issue. It's your show. I was disappointed with how you handled this segment.
well said. he should take accountability but he wont. he totally went all in his feelings because the person was gay
well said
Ik this comment is months old but my 2 cents.
She wasn't willing to take accountability, what do you mean? Like she repeatedly called it a lifestyle even after he tried to correct her, then she went on the defensive when he repeated himself. Lgbt people know they struggle so it makes sense that he was trying to let mom know how that could affect her child.
Karamo - Your doing this *says the specific issue he's seeing*
Mom - *looks at kid and says the same thing*
Karamo - *Repeats himself*
Mom - You're projecting
Karamo - Don't say Im projecting, i have my proof sitting right there
Mom - *leaves*
How else does he handle it. The mom is just not ready to hear she's in the wrong, and yeah she can say she "wasn't justifying" saying i hate you, but i feel like as soon as she said "but he stresses me out" is quite literally an excuse. It'd be better if she phases it differently. Again this is my opinion, but that's how i see it.
(P.s. I'm Bi and there are definitely parents that say "i accept you" but don't mean it, there was a video about a trans girl whose father was misgendering her and the comments were like
He said "I'd love them if they were a dinosaur, thats my kid" but they continued to use kid and at one pointz when asked if he did misgender them (the mothers statement) he said "then I'd call em Isaiah but i don't i call HIM (caps to emphasize what was heard) i call him *chosen name*"
I might add he still believes she can change she's just not ready, which is true, if you can't listen to the person you want help from, get annoyed or frustrated enough to leave then YOU'RE NOT READY.
Take it explain as much as you want but take real accountability and apologize (if that's what the kid wants or needs) so that you can help work towards it better.
@@andrenemurdock8288I feel like it's yall who are in your feelings because the kid was gay. Had the child been straight, all the comments would be how she needs to take accountability and good on Karamo for not letting her avoid accountability
@@thekalenichannel1812 I've noticed this so often with these comments, any time the child is gay or gender nonconforming/ trans the comments IMMEDIATELY side either with the parent and disregard Karamo entirely or they're like "mm you missed the mark." Why cause he's gay and you wanna make the parent the victim of their "lifestyle" ?
I applaud the mother for getting up and walking off. Every parent has dealt with their kid hanging with kids that maybe considered troublesome. She was right, Karamo was projecting.
he totally was in his feelings
Yesssss, shame on him!! Disappointed!!
Agree 100%
Part of me wonders, even though he says he has a child, if he is a part of the lgbtq community himself. Because he goes to lengths (in this case for sure) to defend and be in a very harsh / disrespectful tone to those who aren’t PRO LGBTQ enough.
Yeah applaud walking away instead of dealing with such horrific words and abuse she gives her child. People like you are the problem. Abuse is abuse, period. The mother is ABUSIVE.
@Sean, he IS part of the community, so he is intimately aware of what they go through, hence the reason he goes hard for them.
Karamo is definitely projecting. He is not listening and spewing hate.
YEP. I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE HIS VIEWS..A Lot OF TIMES HE IS WAY OFF.
What show did you watch. What hate did he spew? Name one hateful thing he said. Meanwhile, she has told her own child she hates him and can’t take accountability for the source of it. She has an issue with who her son is. Period. And people like you are just as bad as her
Not gonna lie, Karamo was doing a bit much. Maybe you want to help, but I don’t think you’re always right. 💯
He was never wrong in anything he said though in any of his shows but specifically this one 🤷🏽♀️ he hit everything on the head and the mom felt attacked instead of owning up to her mistakes as a parent
@@madelynmerle1766 we have two different opinions and that’s fine👌🏾
@@mannyabreu6356 I guess so. Hope that mom can be a better mom to her child instead of being defensive one day
I agree with you! He owes her an apology!
@@mannyabreu6356 that’s why he’s a professional and you’re where u are u THINK he’s wrong bc u have no experience or education with this type of work
Your perspective changes when you become a parent. I'd absolutely hate it when my parents would get involved in my business, or nag about how they didn't think certain friends were good people. Looking back now, as a parent, I see they were doing their best to look out for me and keep me safe, and I'll do my best to keep mine safe.
KARAMO I love you and your shows but you didn't listen to the mom at all... It's your show but this was not solved cause you interepted too much... It wasn't about the LGBTQ community... Please listen more next time then give feedback you were projecting too much
I can’t he just spoke to her like that…she really wasn’t given an opportunity to fully say how she felt or explain herself. Has anyone ever had a heated conversation with their child and it’s like you’re fighting a devil??? Crap happens and she apologized for it. A lot happened but he also admitted to putting her mom through a lot! This is when you truly see a tv host and not a professional therapist working with a family on deep rooted issues!
I hear everything you’re saying except for the part where you say crap happens and she apologised. Firstly, just because I say the word sorry, doesn’t mean I mean it. Her body language was not remorseful. Secondly, saying I hate you as a parent, is something, you unfortunately, can never come back from. The minute my mother said that to me, I stopped seeing her as a mother and just an oppressive roommate. So no, I disagree with just letting her slide on the I hate you part. Just as quick as she could say it, she should be quick to here that she was wrong.
@@EarthyOnisha True. She took no real accountability for that at all. I've seen so many comments saying there's a thin line between love & hate, trying to justify her actions.
@@michelemariquez2258 Exactly, it’s just shocking how society treats such situations these days
How u gonna say u fighting the devil with your own child ? Just listen to what you’re saying
@@TheVenusBlueprint I didn’t even want to touch base on that, that’s the part which blew my mind the most
Karamo is not letting the mum talk. I think there is a lot more going on than what Karamo knows and what we are being told. The mother should’ve been allowed to talk and she was not given the chance to do that I like the host but the host needs to learn to listen and give time for a response.Karamo was 100% wrong
He's just now getting started although he had practice on Maury. He will get better. I think his focus was more about affirming the LGBTQ community with this story than the deeper issues. It would have taken more than one segment to get to those issues.
I totally agree. He didn’t let the mum talk or even get a chance to express how she really felt.
The mum’s feeling is very valid!
She has been kept away from her son for so long, and getting along is hard.
That’s not on her!!
Karamo wasn’t being understanding to her
Yes he was wrong I agree 👍 💯
I agree with you
I think so too..... you dont use oil on fire when water is the solution
Hurting the parent is equally irresponsible of Karamo! There is a difference in challanging and projecting. I think Karamo got injured by the mum when she mentioned it. That was projection. I support the kids but would never support behaviour that would hurth them eventually. Yes some of us maybe angels and never have made mistakes of not saying such heavy terms on our loved ones but we are here to help by also being listeners. So we also need our host to respect everyone on the show.
Karamo was telling the truth, something that mother and you are clearly having trouble accepting because you’re both bigoted and fake!
honestly, the mother wasn’t even in the wrong. First of all “you and your lifestyle” has nothing to do with being gay, not the way she used it. He might be living a certain lifestyle that the mother doesn’t approve of gay or straight. they didn’t let her talk at all, that’s crazy.
The parent deserves a PUBLIC APOLOGY. People say they hate all the time when emotions are high. It doesn’t mean she hates. This was poorly done
The mother is ABUSIVE, period.
they acknowledged that....
They acknowledged that already and regardless to tell your child you hate them ? It’s not an excuse .. he did this show PERFECTLY .. hopefully the mom can mature own up and be there the way she should be as a parent
Lets stop normalizing getting mad and saying hateful things to your children i rather walk away than tell my child i hate them. That sticks with them for the rest of there lives
I think her saying I hate you was taken in the wrong context. I feel like Karamo thought it was more about them being gay rather than the mother being frustrated and not being able to connect.
Ugh, that’s my cousin and her son. I think it’s wrong for Luke to have brought his mother on this show. Karamo came out guns blazing, and of course Mari went into defensive mode. That’s the sign of a bad host and moderator - sorry. People really don’t know the whole story. Karamo wouldn’t let Mari speak. Luke does make bad decisions, and he doesn’t own them. He has no accountability. He still has boy-like mentality. Her ex-husband is very wealthy and fought my cousin for years and was in a system of hood ole’ boy judges that always ruled in favor of him. My cousin always did what she could to get time with Luke and support him. It’s really disappointing that Luke is using this as an opportunity to expand his brand as social media influencer.
Yeah i usually agree with karamo but with this episode I agreed with the mom.
Karamo pushed the limit too much on this one. Sounded more personal and not so respectful of his guest. Regardless of how you feel or being triggered or not, you have a responsibility to display and engage in a respectful manner unless of course the guest is being egregious in their behavior. Her history with her son may not be right but she was being respectful in sharing her perspective..he was rude!
No he wasn’t
I agree. He didn't listen to the mother and because of his own unconscious bias misattributed her intent. Don't get me wrong. Her telling her son she hates him once or twice is once or twice too many, and I do wonder why she lost custody of him and could only have supervised visits.
I wondered what she meant by "lifestyle." I don't get the impression that she was referring to him being gay, but to poor decisions she felt he'd made that appeared to put him at risk. Karamo made assumptions and then called her out on those assumptions. She walked off because she didn't feel heard and she wasn't, and because she was wrongly judged. That prevented discussion of the real issues and the things she had done that have impacted their relationship.
I recall Karamo saying that he came out early and his mom was cool with it... I don't think he went through in his home what most have to go through...
he is usually sensitive with the LGBTQ guests considering he is LGBTQ himself so i’m not surprised
@@openearja Th fact that the mom doesn’t acknowledge her child as she. Proves theirs some inherit disregard for her child. Simple as that. He sent wrong about that! She has some unconscious biases.
I don’t know if this clip showed the entire segment, I disagree with Karamo. She said her child was being irresponsible and she didn’t get to tell her side on this clip. I wish they would have given more time to the son and the mother.. cuz I don’t think this was a “lifestyle” thing. It sounds like she was being an intrusive mom, especially with the friend thing. Everything about this segment is incomplete.
Me too he made it about sexuality when it wasn’t about it
he never cared about the mother, its like he condone the messy behavior because he is gay a well. mess is mess. gay men tend to live very dangerously and karamo never touched on that because he was be bias
@@andrenemurdock8288 oh it wasn’t bc he was barreled raised by mother and said mother told that same child she hate him. THANK YOU GOD you’re not in a position like he is bc you would’ve been a pathetic therapist.
I think she’s right! He wasn’t listening. He had his own ideas and biases and wasn’t willing to learn differently. Even the boy was defending the mom because the child knows his mother’s intentions. But Karamo was too busy projecting!
I wOuLd nEvEr sAY tO mY kIdS…. But we ain’t talking about you!!! Usually I’m in total agreement with my guy Karamo but this wasn’t good. He was wrong and rude. I’m sorry for the mom and son. They clearly love each other VERY MUCH… hope they make it through this rough patch fast so they can heal 😔❤️🩹
agreed.!
She is abusive, period. ABUSE is NEVER acceptable. She can't face her terrible abusive ways.
totally agree
So u ignore that fact she TOPICS HER CHILD SHE HATE HIM yall have entire think pieces on this and have never even taken a class about this. It’s not projecting if HES DESCRIBING HER BEHAVIOR.
_“Usually I’m in total agreement with my guy Karamo...”_
*But WHY?!?!* This is the 3rd show of his I’ve seen, and he’s a rude, nasty individual in all three videos (the other ones covered Chef Pii and her food critic Alle). This overtly feminine man immediately takes the side of whoever looks or acts like him (in the Chef Pii shows, he sided with Chef Pii because she’s black and Alle’s white - in this show he took the side of the lgbt son, because duh).
I will never watch another video of this rude, condescending, biased, immoral, illogical man.
I'm sorry.. He was being rude to the mother... He didn't make things better.... That son knows his mother loves him, yes they have their issues but I don't think it's as toxic as it was being made out to be.... He talked down to her.... That's why she walked of stage!
He was a jerk. That mom was right he was CLEARLY projecting.
1st time, I’ve ever heard Karamo over talk someone. The mom definitely doesn’t know the right terminology but there are some additional issues that I wish would have come out. I think the child also has done some inappropriate stuff.
“Right terminology.” 😂 No one cares about politically correct BS!
I remember an episode where the mother was incredibly hateful towards her daughters. One of the girls stood up in the audience and the mother kept telling her to shut up and sit down and the girl was shaking and crying. Karamo NEVER not once corrected that woman. He even ended that show telling the daughters just to tell their mom they love her whenever she was rude and disrespectful. Smh! And this woman is treated like this? You can’t help people properly if you fail to be objective. She was clearly hurt.
In my opinion, totally different situation, the one your speaking of was a grief situation where the mother felt like she wasn't loved but the husband who passed was loved, vs this which is just a kid and the parent, the only grief involved was possibly the mothers loss of what she wanted her child to become.
@Clips. Well said
@Kitty. Yeah I don’t agree. I think it’s ingrained in children to want the love and respect from both parents. It’s not up to the children to show the way. But maybe she grew up and had it rough. But it’s hard to love someone like that mother because she seems to push her daughters away
@@jollymollyramram9702 no it's not the children responsibility, but if they ar3 the ones coming asking karamo they wanted to help their momma and in that case he's saying "if you want this relationship work on it" and they can chose if they want to, if its worth it?
@kitty. I agree but the mother wasn’t meeting them half-way
This particular episode seems like a bit of a stretch. It didn't connect well and felt like Karamo wasn't listening to the mom without bias. She clarified just about everything that was said about her with dignity and respect but he kind of jumped at the slightest opportunity to "read" her. I don't think he did it intentionally but that is what happened. The sensitive nature of the topic didn't fully apply to these guests.
Karamo just didn't want any backlash from the rainbow community in my opinion
I agree with the mama! Karamo handled that poorly and tried to minimize her concern for her child's safety to say she was angry about him being gay.
You didn’t give the Mom a chance to speak and explain. I actually agree when she said she hates the lifestyle, not her son. There are other circumstances that got them to that point. And no one knows the whole story but them.
Yes I agree..I believe she is being protective of her son as well, so many things happened to the LGBT community and her all is protecting her son. She just afraid for his life, I'm sure if there werent alot of people against the LGBT community, his lifestyle wouldn't be a problem but there were so many ppl being killed for being Gay and I believe that's what she was trying to say but didn't get the chance to.
IT IS NOT A LIFESTYLE!!!! Jesus I HATE THAT PHRASE ITS WHO PEOPLE ARE !!! LUIS IS YOUR LIFESTYLE BEING A BIGOT ?? IS IT ?
theres no explanation for tell your child you hate them. period.
She said HIM AND HIS LIFESTYLE. She was saying it right. She didn’t say that his sexuality was a lifestyle. We all have a “lifestyle” that does NOT include our sexuality. Which is what she was speaking about. I’ve never seen Karamo do TOO much until this moment. I would say more, but I’ll just keep my mouth shut on this
I love Karamo but she was right, he WAS projecting. He didn’t even let the mom finish talking. And no, she shouldn’t say she hates her son. As someone who’s in the lgbt community, it’s nothing wrong with her saying lifestsyle. Plenty of us say it all the time.
totally agree he ws clearly projecting is so clear to me that when the momesaid life style she was talking about her sons choices when it comes to the people he chills with and the decisions that he made regarding his friends parents know shit ive been there my mom could tell when my friends were fake every time.
Yes, as a queer person, having a same-sex orientation is NOT A LIFESTYLE.
But there are VERY DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES TO CHOOSE FROM as a gay person just as there are many different lifestyles to choose from as a straight person.
"The Scene" (night club, drag club, bar, pick-up culture, drinking, drugs, partying) is not an identity, it is a lifestyle and it is not the only option for gay people. There are gay people who prefer hiking and nature or joining the Gay Men's Choir, or gay softball team or gay-affirming church activities focusing on political activism, art or academic hobbies and engaged in very age-appropriate activities or social groups. They are not coming into contact with sex workers, homeless people, drug addicts, assorted pimps and predators and less than savory folk who hang around the "The Scene."
What I am understanding from this video is the mother would not have the same problem if her son was hanging around the "Heartstopper", Chris Colfer, "Glee" type LGBTQIA people aiming for the same bright future of college, a career etc. that most accepting people would have no issues having in their home, or letting their teen take to prom or a date. It seems her son prefers the "Eurphoria" crowd of LGBTQ+ people; MESSY, TOXIC, PROBLEMS etc.
So while yes, his mother has some issues with accountability and maybe struggled a bit (and still may be struggling) with his identity, I genuinely believe she does not want him around the wrong crowd and that is UNDERSTANDABLE.
This!
👆this right here.👏👏👏
Exactly! This was exactly my take away from the show..for me it was evident that's what she meant when she said "you(sexuality) and your lifestyle(irresponsible behavior)" I just think we LGBT people do too much sometimes fr
Not reading allat 💀
Let me just say this, when my daughter came out to me, I was hurt. As a mom I alienated my child, wouldn’t speak to her, and mind you me and my daughter was close. After about a month of this, I saw a change in my daughter and she started going to other parents for advice and at that moment, I had my reality check. I birthed that child and I’m going to raise my child regardless of her sexual orientation. Of course I set boundaries and to this day she respects those boundaries, she has never disrespected those boundaries, and I love her girlfriend so much and do for her like she’s mine. It was hard, but at the end of the day I know I raised my child right.
Bless you
What boundaries?
Mom is right. Glad she stood up for herself .
Mom is ABUSIVE, period. She stood up defending her abuse and you are part of the problem too.
Nothing she does it right .. she’s abusive asf and too immature to own up to her shit and make an effort to be close to her son.
@@monsoonBloomexplain how she abusive with supervise visit. As a grown ass man
I definitely don’t agree with his assessment on this. He’s getting angry with her because it triggers something in his past. It is a lifestyle choice. Not to mention he doesn’t have a clue what transpired between this woman and her ex husband. He definitely was projecting, he’s not a child and he was wrong for disrespecting her.
Facts
It's not a lifestyle choice 🙄
Stop trying to manipulate the conversation. Let the mom speak
I said the same thing when the son was defending his mother you could see that he was uncomfortable at him for going in on his mother. From what I got the son is spoiled disrespectful and careless and she snapped once but the son even said that the mother loves him and is accepting of his life style. He went too hard on the mother for my liking
I agree
@@longbranch11207 yes I noticed that too. Everyone deserves a equal chance to speak without a biased party placing immediate judgment.
Thank you!
i feel like she was getting the chance to talk, but she wasn’t willing to listen and accept what karamo was trying to tell her & inform her on. he ask a question, she answer or give her piece etc etc, but it wasn’t like she was just being cut off completely because when karamo was trying to talk to her and give her the knowledge, she got mad and defensive and walked away.
now for luke i feel like he wasn’t used to someone sticking up to his mom, which is normal, it’s his mom! but he was just saying how she’s basically butting in on parts of his life that he doesn’t want her to. you can’t necessarily have both, a mom you want there but a mom that’s not in your business it’s not in their nature to not be in their kids business whether you 12, 24, or 64. parents always going have that instinct.
All I can say is I think it’s evident as to why she wasn’t awarded full custody. Controlling personality. And when she finally meets someone who challenges her behaviour she storms off like a baby.
I disagree. That’s a fairly decent mum.
You can tell she has trouble with taking accountability, she had already waved off the fact that she said I hate you when it was first mentioned earlier
yeah it was almost like she felt justified like tell them what you did for me to say that, but there should never be any action that makes you tell your child you hate them. his point was all parents wish they could say it sometimes (tbh) and they may feel it, but something (karamo suspects implicit biases against lgbtq) inside her makes her think it was ok to say that even if it was only in the moment. it’s a deeper issue cause you can tell she loves her kid
My child and I have had rounds and I know I've said "I don't like you" in text messages but only after receiving some horrendous, inspeakable text messages from her. We have a toxic relationship and it gets that way sometimes and she's not LGTBQ. Just regular mother/daughter issues. I can't even give regular parental advice without being cussed at, so now I've stopped saying anything beyond talking about her youngest 2 year old child that I've had for a year. I think that's what this lady was trying to get across. They have some issues that probably go beyond her child being trans. Sorry she walked off before being able to get her point across.
He wouldn’t let her he kept on attacking her
I agree, do unfortunate
respectfully, I do think the point karamo was trying to make was about saying I hate you. it’s clear this mother loves her child and wants the best for them so why say I hate you? we all fight with our parents and say messed up things. but for a parent to tell their child I hate you, a parent who is clearly loving and isn’t abusive, it’s not the child it’s something else. he’s saying I know you love your child so understand that the issue you have for lgbtq or even just people you see as being reckless and not living “respectable” lives is affecting your relationship with your kid. idk I only felt the need to defend his point because I didn’t understand at first but when he repeated and I thought to all the terrible fights and things my mother has said to me, that woman has called me everyone word in the book but she would die before telling me she hates me. I feel sad for this mother I really wish she would have stayed but karamo was getting stern I wish he would’ve been softer with her. but as a man who has dealt with this insidious discrimination his whole life, I’ll allow it 😂
See this is why conversation can't happen the mom has the right to feel how she feel. Smfh everyone doesn't have to accept everything smfh yea he's being bias 😤
Extremely biased and out of line. Thats not his child, he has no right to tell that mom how to feel. Her son even said she has been supportive, dude was just cutting her off and projecting A LOT! Sounds to me like the host has some unhealed wounds with his own family.
No parent with morals wants to accept there son transition into a (Itch)..
A woman was created by God for a particular purpose..
A Itch can't replace woman!!
Did Karamo just check Mom?? That truth hurts and she can't keep running away from it. Why can't she be honest and say how she feels without being nasty about it? It doesn't matter who her child chooses to be he/she is still her child.
Yessss facts
Yep! Just checked her and her biases right off that stage! What’s that old saying, “A hit did will holler!”….. ‘nuff said!
Babyyyy i seek commenting on all karamos videos you have a beautiful and intelligent soul !
@@Sunnipoo Thank you Love. 😊
I would've walked off too to keep from going off..
He wanted her to say she hated her son for being gay so bad.
She said her son had a bad attitude. Some people of the LGBT community, especially the "men" and Trans can have the nastiest snappy attitudes ever and is mean because they wake up automatically believing the world is against them, so they're reday to fight. They think everybody is supposed to automatically be open-minded to them changing their sex when sometimes a parent, family, friends have to grieve the loss of who they use to be. I can imagine it's hard for all parties.
Some of them are entitled and need counseling on the proper way to transition. Just like the LBGT have feelings that's valid, so does the mother..
They come on the show for a pity party and think any bad feelings against them is because they're gay or not being accepted.
No. Sometimes someone don't like you because your attitude is nasty. Who cares if you're gay...that's nothing new.
Gee-whiz...I can't stand that Karomo and the gay guest always think the reason they aren't liked or tolerated is because of their sexuality. That's not cool.
AMEN. That's also the same way with blacks. Blacks think ppl don't like them, because they're black. No, it is the attitude. Especially black women.
Spot on 💯
Yes! Couldn’t agree with you more.
He was in his feelings. Mr Karamo
This was perfect
You Supposed To Love Your Child No Matter Who They Are
No matter who they are..
Minor Mistake Amber
@@Amber-sv7ld Just Corrected Myself
@@brianwright889 No problem 😊
Yessss that facts
This guy just likes to choose sides right off the hop and just refuses to let the other person speak, just like the pink sauce episode lmao
Karamo jumped on thay lady. I hope he recognizes what he did and moves forward with a better attitude towards people who don't agree with him .
She literally told her child she hates him….
He jumped on her cause she was being a narcissist and getting away with it
@@TheVenusBlueprint yeah you don't listen either......9:44 literally
hard agree. i've admittedly not watched a lot of karamo clips, but from what i've observed he talks slightly too much and really just shuts down the person he disagrees with. yeah, it's his show, of course he's gonna speak, but the thing about having a talk show that's largely interview and problem resolution based, you really, really, have to make sure you let the other people convey their ideas and motives before interjecting with resolution. we don't even know what situation led up to her telling her son "i hate you" and why. as a mediator, you have to lead the conversation, not dominate it, and make sure the few words you say really count.
Karamo work on urself too ....u failed
I kinda feel for the Mom. I'm so for uplifting The Queer Community FULLY, but I'm sure She had experiences with her child that would maybe blow one's mind. What Karamo said about stereotypes is true, but her experiences was invalidated by him. She maybe right when she pointed out, " that he may be projecting 😬"
The fact that she reacted the way she did when she thought he was missing ( out of love ) speaks volumes. And, the lack of apperception for her concern form her child, also speaks volumes. That's where Luke lost me.......
Luke's "Tone" with his mom is kinda cold and nasty. He may be fed up, but I think he just might be a brat. Clearly he grow up Seemingly privilege. And I'm betting that his Daddy got money, since he won the custody ( over a mother ). Where is the Daddy btw???
Also Luke is an adult, young adult but adult.
I'm not really understanding why this was a show topic 😬.......respectfully I say.
I came out as bisexual to both of my parents and they both immediately said it is a phase. I can see how they built my life already and knowing this information probably set them aback. But it still hurts I just wanted to be accepted, but I didn’t come out to them in so long with the fear of not being accepted that when I wasn’t accepted it didn’t even bother me as much as I thought it would. All I know is I accept and love myself each and every single day
Her losing custody, and being able to utter the words “I hate you“ to her child or messaging her child’s friends and not being able to handle the pressure or take accountability, proves exactly what Kamaro is saying 🤷🏾♀️. It’s not even fully about her son living as a woman but her lack of understanding, and compassion and growth and healing. If anyone’s projecting it would be her.
she said you’re projecting and left. it was clear tho she only wanted to talk about things she is right about. I have this issue with my mom she takes any criticism or discussion over her parenting or actions as the biggest personal attack. My mom is an amazing mother but her reaction to me even wanting to discuss how she’s affected me, makes her a bad mom in that moment. which I’ve tried to tell her but obviously that was unproductive.
Stop living in the past, she did her best to fight for her son, no one knows but Jesus what happen between her and her husband. Mind you business,
THANK U!
Karamo should have let Luke’s mom explain herself instead of jumping on her as quickly as he did. The way the show portrayed her as a parent was very wrong. She fought tooth and nail to get custody of Luke. She was up against a wealthy ex-husband who basically out-spent her. She did not abandon Luke by any means. Karamo had already pre-judged her by saying that it takes a lot for a mother to lose custody, or something to that effect. All the producers had to do was look at the custody court filings to see how long and hard she fought. Also, When were those words of “hate” said, last month, last year, 3 years ago?? Im sure she meant to say she hated his actions, not him. Karamo needs to bring her back on and let her talk!
Thank you!!! Not my favorite segment. They made her out for trash when she couldn't share her side. When she referred to Luke's "lifestyle" she didn't mean him being LGBT, she meant Luke picking up homeless ppl who wrecked his car. Lets say her sons lifestyle involved drugs. Karamo would have no problem with her saying "lifestyle". But the point the mom was making is that I support my son in his community but his life CHOICES outside of who he is, is questionable. You wouldn't say to a gay drug addict "i accept your abuse of drugs" so why force the mom into a corner that she was referring to lukes identify, when she meant that kids make BAD decisions at times because they ARE KIDS. Nothing wrong with that. Also bring the court receipts, there were many times I felt my mom has failed me but when I found out WHY she had her short comings, I felt like an asshole because I had idea of the STRUGGLE she went through. More empathy was needed by everyone on this segment. Deff a turn off. Projection WAS made on the mom, Luke deff wanted 30 seconds of fame.
Yeah I don't think her walking off was for the reasons it made it look like. It seemed more like "I know I'm not going to be allowed to speak on the dangerous things my kid is doing regardless of orientation so this conversation is over " I love Karamo but I think she's right I think he's projecting his implicit bias on her. Someone picking up a homeless person should have been a longer conversation. Like what's the context, was the charity for someone kicked out or a rando? Just like picking up hitch hikers is bad so is random homeless men. I feel there was alot more to the moms side.
Found the mom's burner account yall
Lol so if it was 3 years prior then that makes it okay for her to say she hates her child 🧐 as long as it wasn’t in the past 3 months? Cmon now, this is a stretch. She wasn’t ready to take accountability, which is needed for people to move forward. Furthermore, she is the PARENT. She chose to have a child with that man. Why should her child pay for the irresponsible behavior she made as an adult. And the irony that she thinks she has a right to judge her kid. Apparently she’s not a great judge of character either if that’s the type of person she chose to have a kid with.
He was letting her speak but she kept not taking any accountability so he had to keep trying to get through to her.
Karamo was being annoying as hell. I'm a full blown lesbian myself but nah, he reached with this one. Her saying you and your lifestyle did not need all the extra attention. Her child is probably rude and sassy as hell to her sometimes and she calls him out on it. And we all know some people's friends are unsavory and suspect as hell, as a mom, she's making sure he's aware of that.
As a mom I can’t fathom treating my kids this way or talking to them in this manner. You don’t have to agree with the things your child does or how they decide to live their lives your job is to love them no matter what.
Karamo really did an injustice to the mother in this one and he should apologise. Here's a rundown of what he did:
1. Karamo clearly feels passionate about the LGBTQ community, but he continuously brought up an issue that DID NOT APPLY TO THEIR RELATIONSHIP. The mother claimed that there's disrespect going on and that shes trying to look out for her child. Not that she didn't accept her childs sexuality.
2. He then claims that the mother shouldn't have said that she hated the child, and Karamo is right. HOWEVER, why is the child not being held accountable for the poor decisions that SHE IS MAKING?
3. And then to top it all off, Karamo tells the child that SHE DOES NOT NEED TO BE AROUND A PERSON LIKE THAT. Who in their right mind tells a child that they don't need a parent around them who is clearly trying to look out for them?
Ridiculous.
He's not a child he's a grown ADULT, fully capable of making his own choices, however he chooses. Karamo was giving advice in not having TOXIC people regardless if they're family or not around you because it does more harm than good.
Agreeee
Agreed completely
Not accepting sexuality is an issue. Trust n believe it is cuz we are people no different than a straight person. It’s hate. Last point if a parent or person is abusive LEAVE if you have the power to. Fuck her being the mom you not gonna fuck up a kid like that. The way y’all give tickets to parents is beyond me.
1) That’s a son, not a daughter. We aren’t going to support delusions.
2) That’s no child. That’s a grown man.
im with the mom on this one tbh. she loves and cares about her kid. even the son looked uncomfortable with the way he spoke to her
I think the mom was right and Karamo was way wrong! I think that the mom loved her child at the end of the day, even her son said it but Karamo twisted her words.
you can't twist actions. if I say I hate someone, I have no respect and look down on them.
Yea me too
He’s not a child. He’s a grown adult The host is a child
The host is more adult than the mother and you, Karen!
A very shallow child
Tbh, I agree with the MOM that Karamo was projecting! He was being presumptuous and he was defensive. I hope he rewatches that so that he can see how he could have a better conversation in the future! Good start, though.
I Agree
@@chole9506 Thank you for saying that because I know a lot would disagree, but it really has nothing to do with lgtb because it could've been about anything that applied to Karamo and perhaps he would've been defensive ( understand why) but when you are trying to explain something to someone as he was the mother, he should be as open and on relaxed as he wants that person to be.
@@QueenSeven777 do you think they were just misunderstanding each other? I don’t even think they were on the same page of discussion
@@QueenSeven777 because I feel like she had no problem with him being apart of the LGBTQ community. I think it was just a confusion of words
@@chole9506 I think dat too
He was totally projecting though like that’s her kid she didn’t like his friends but not once did she say was it because they were lgbtq+. And as someone who has come out to a parent it’s an adjustment how they see you no matter what they still love you but as long as they progress your gonna have to let them move at their own pace.
I think we all collectively agree Karamo went harder on this woman than most. Even the mother who kept saying her children were evil, and responsible for her husband's death. He was still empathetic and level-headed. Here he is projecting and making it about him and his own issues and insecurity. He is a human, and he has failed here. But still very disappointing.
he was super projecting
Karamo was too harsh with her!!! He WAS projecting. She didn’t appear to be upset with him for being lGBTQ, he was his disrespect and choice of friends. Any normal parent will respond the same way. I hate you is really bad to say to your child, but not everyone has mastered how to control their emotions and say things they will regret later. He was doing too much
Nah, karamo was spot on....
She has love for her child but she also has a toxic past, as most of us do.
Her child wasn't even ready for his mom to be challenged.
I would NEVER go on a talk show to debate a perfectionist. Karamo is on point.
I feel Karamo did too much here and was condescending.
Ummmm okay because telling your child that you hate them is not condescending?
Yeah he really did do too much, why can’t the mother say a lifestyle. Why does she have to agree with her son’s homosexuality. Why? I do feel it’s very wrong for her to tell her son she hates him but karomo seem to really attack the mom.
What is really going on?
“You would not disrespect a child” but it’s okay for a child to disrespect their parents.. this whole talk is one sided cause Karamo is only focused on standing up for the boy identifying with the lgbtq and proving his mom to be terrible in a way… this is just too one sided and not fair
He was way out of line for how he treated the mother. Karamo got in his feelings and started attacking the mother. This made me sick. I would have walked off too. You could clearly see the mother was trying. He took a few things she said out of context and ran with it. He started raising his voice and getting aggressive. I have no interest in this show
It’s like everybody that is lgbtq that comes on he jumps on their side because he”s gay 🤷🏾♂️
Yes guys I felt it too. He didn’t let her talk 😢
He wasn’t projecting. She said lifestyle after he explained not to say that to someone lgbtq. And then she walked off instead of being confronted with the fact that she said she hated him, which we all know she doesn’t and karamo never implied that. He was saying that she must have bias against him being lgbtq, and that’s why she said that. It wasn’t a regular ‘I hate you’. And if it was, she should’ve stayed and explained herself, apologized, she’s a grown adult. Her child is asking for help with their relationship and she chose to walk off. That’s on her
i usually respect karamo but this was not right… it’s obvious that Luke is not doing responsible things. letting a homeless person you barely know live with you is NOT safe and that has NOTHING to do with LGBTQ+ (which i am a part of) and for the people that Luke hangs around to call their mom and joke about situations like someone missing is not right and potentially dangerous/harmful. do i believe that Lukes mom should say or do the things she has done? absolutely not but i think that Karamo has made Luke’s situation worse with his mother and also might be enabling him to continue unsafe behavior
Very good episode, first time seeing this show. I am now a follower and a student of Karamo. Thank you for your show.
All bets are off when you can tell your child “I hate you”
She does not hate her child. She hated how he’s living his life and it has nothing to do with him being gay. I have a heterosexual son whom I love but hate his lifestyle of promiscuity, drugs and greed. A “Mom” is still human and like all humans we do and say things we regret and she acknowledged it. You whiney kids need to try to see things from all perspectives.
@@karentaylor7146 “You whiney kids” 😂 Ma’am, I might be young (23) but I’m a mother myself and I said what I said. Anything that spews out of your mouth gives life and can also take life. The “power of the tongue” is very REAL and to say you “hate” your child(ren), is very ungodly, hateful and disgusting.
When she said that Karamo was projecting, she was basically saying that he's guilty of what she's done too. So that's why he said, he's never told his son he hates him. Remember his son almost died from an overdose. That's poor choices that scare any parent to death. But I agree, that our words hold weight and when we are irresponsible with what we say and spew vile things to each other, especially our babies...that's just low. It's hard as a parent to be humbled and own up to our mistakes. But our pride should never be bigger than the love for our children. She's not a bad mother at all but she needs to own up to the mistakes. Her walking out was due to her own convictions.
I respect and appreciate Karamo's ability to be objective when addressing guests--LOVE IT!!!! However, this episode seemed personal for Karamo. His facial expressions, tone of voice and body language were defensive. I was disappointed that his way of being alienated the mother and did not embrace and validate in his usual manner. Karamo ALWAYSSSSS leaves his guests feeling whole and able to reconsider their positions and heal; reunite with their loved one(s). I trust Karamo will self reflect, move out of his own wa y and redo this episode with his usual objectivity enabling both mom and son to appreciate each others perspective.
I agree with you on all points. But I’ll be surprised if Karamo self reflects. He showed his true self in this episode and it’s not pretty. Physician heal thyself.
I agree
The mother was not in the wrong. What she means with “You and your lifestyle” is that she didn’t like how he was behaving and the life choices he was making. That has nothing to do with being gay. The same thing could be said about a straight person.
For this segment in particular, I do agree with Karamo. The mother was deflecting in this situation which means she was redirecting the criticism she was receiving in an attempt to avoid dealing with the “consequences” of some kind. Now I do believe that the mother shouldn’t have walked off stage and should have listened to Karamo before saying that he was projecting and tried to understand where Luke and Karamo were coming from, but also walking away from your problems won’t fix them they will just follow you and keep growing, so it’s better to deal with it head on instead of walking away and letting it fester. Side note I’m only 16 and I’m just restating what my Ap psychology teacher taught us about defense mechanisms so please don’t leave any hate 😊
They teach psychology in high school???
@@liberationgz4120yes ap and a normal class, i took the normal class!
Yes to an extent. As someone that has also taken psychology classes you can see that karamo was projecting and also being defensive over the lgbtq community and over her son. His body language changed, he was more aggressive in nature, and interrupting the mother and son. He was focused very intently on lgbtq aspect of the issue instead of using critical thinking to realize the mothers wording and few of her actions was wrong but her anger or actions was not solely about him being gay but about him being irresponsible and disrespectful.
Karamo went on a witch hunt with this mother. He ignored everything else and made it all about sexuality. She deserved better
He gaslighted her she couldn't even finish her statement anytime she says something it was a valid reason but yet he put his own personal beliefs on their situation... That's his mama he was supposed to get up and go with her this speaks volumes on how a stranger could manipulate you versus somebody who loves you
No, she was trying to gaslight him because Karamo was stating facts that she, and you for that matter, are unable to accept, Karen!
Girl shutup
She admitted to saying she hated him .. what’s the excuse you have for that?
Mom was 100% right!
The son looks FABULOUS if that was my son I'll admit It would be hard but I would take baby steps and learn to accept for who he is
The mother is abusive and there is ZERO excuse for abuse, period. She was a guest and she IS STILL ABUSIVE. There is no way around it.
Good that the mom walked off because
I feel that Karamo was painting a picture that wasnt there.
Honestly think the mother doesn't really have a problem with him being "gay" is mostly his behavior she is concerned. Karamo was definitely wrong
Definition of lifestyle -The way in which a person or a group also meaning that of a community lives .
Or could mean picking up strange men in other states who could potentially be a Jeffrey Dahmer and having them live in ur house. That is a foolish lifestyle which needs to be called out regardless of sexuality
@@DionneEguono your choice to stop or keep riding if your not carjack or kidnap
He just wanted a boyfriend
Son your Mama Loves your More than any Thing in this world listen to her and her feelings, I appreciate Karamo in many Shows but not These.
I thought this was about his DECISIONS not his Sexuality. 🙄 Also, you can't make People accept or believe in what you believe in. Let's get to what the hell bad Choices he's been making! 😒
Why is he so pretty!!!!!
I would never be able to live with myself if i told my child that. I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY SAID OR DID that's not ok! Mom needs to grow up!
Thank you! Agreed
I could live with myself because god is forgiving and I also have learned how to forgive myself from my past mistakes, if you cannot realize and learn the same thing that is your own problem. Also you made mistakes with your kids so you are no better than her like you think, Jesus will judge you the same way you judge her, so be very careful Matthew 7:2. Finally if you don’t care what someone does to another person with showing empathy for their feeling leading mercy shown towards them and encouraging forgiveness in others than you need to stay out of the stay out the situation and mind your business. Take that hater.
@@2delicious57 Don't throw your Bible bs at me.. Your just trying to condone that behavior. Also, you either are this woman or know her.. Shame on you if your either if you truly believe thats ok..
Its the missing nail for me😂😂
so did y’all miss the part where she was getting defensive and said we don’t have all day to talk about this being rude and then that’s when karamo put her in her place
right! and people are glossing over the fact that Karamo is calling out the fact that she said " I hate you" to Luke and how it must've came from something deep rooted and Karamo wanted her to take accountability
Props to the son for defending his mom despite everything 🤍
Karamo was wrong for this and was definitely projecting, he has had far wilder situations to deal with on his show but is never this triggered. And there was no real “support” since it was one sided.
I know what he said is true and it happens with parents and their kids all the time. I have experienced this with my kids. When I had a vision of what I thought my kids life would be and they made choices that I disagreed with it pissed me off now I never said I hated them but in that moment I felt mad about it. The son is right he has to make mistakes in order to learn however it is a challenge for parents to see your kids even as adults make choices in which the choices may cause harm or have life changing effects that cause detriment
Disappointing how the mother was treated. She probably does a lot for his son that wasn’t given the opportunity to share in the show. That’s a mother that cares about her child.
I really hope u see this Karamo. I love your show but this really hit me the wrong way. She was trying to be so respectful and you were completely disrespectful. This was a horrible episode in my opinion
she didn't have full custody of her child, how was she suppose to constantly be in her child's life, if she's legally not allowed
Karamo is biased and cannot seperate his personal affiliation with the community from the situations
I like what you do!!! Content is very much necessary
"Love my SON to death"
"I've been very accepting of HIM"
Does... she really not think we can see right thru her?
Well…he identifies as a man so what was wrong with what she said??
@@alexandrean6657 it’s underhanded manipulation. You gotta pay attention to the language that she’s using ad emphasis on the tone. The emphasis on “him” implies that he’s not masculine enough therefore that he’s not worthy of love. The mother wants him to be someone else.
@@PdoxDV which pronoun should she have used then? The son refers to HIMSELF as MAN. Stop complicating something so basic.
@@PdoxDV She wants him to be more responsible and make better decisions that wouldn’t put him in danger. The boy is reckless. His recklessness IS a lifestyle. Not his sexuality. It’s a lifestyle he chose. He chose to house a homeless man, he chose the people he associates himself with. His actions are his lifestyle, not who he is as a person and I think that’s where the mom is coming from.
@@alexandrean6657 I think you’re more reasonable than the actual mother homie. Everything you said is a hard undeniable truth, but my fear is despite mom’s genuine concern about what you said, she is still deeply against him loving a man or being any semblance of feminine or not traditionally masculine. Imma watch the video again.
It's unwise to make avoidable mistakes, some mistakes will ruin your life forever and the scar will never heal. All these kids needs to be told the honest truth. I LOVE THAT WOMAN
But does she love her son enough to find a better way forward with them, that’s yet to be seen, or is it just about people like you loving her?
I don’t identify as gay but I can’t get over how much this moms energy represents my mom n if I were to have taken her on here n discussed our childhood/parental issues & traumas.
Luckily she’s moved to a better spot of boundary respecting n communicating but
I don't think he was projecting. I genuinely think he was right...even if it wasn't about him being gay, she said herself that he put her through a lot and thats what made her say that. "What's in you gon come out of you."
GREAT JOB Karamo 😊👏👏
sexual orientation is not a lifestyle . The same way her as an heterosexual woman is not a lifestyle , being gay , bisexual , pansexual , and being transgender is not a lifestyle.
People are born gay , straight , bisexual , pansexual , asexual , and people who have gender identity who are transgender.
EDUCATION is the remedy for ignorance.
Yesssssssss facts
Yes it is a choice all day and every day ?you don’t have to concede to to a feeling that doesn’t produce, the anal of ones body is not a birth canal, the penis was Designed for the vagina, that’s how me and you got here, although we did not design our physical make up, at the beginning of our birth no choice in that matter, but after we arrive and grow then there are decisions and choices we make for our selves, and pleasures we pursue, and people we choose to associate with, and lifestyles we choose, places we choose to go, all of these are left up to our choosing ,so stop with these false theories when it comes to sex ,cause you don’t have to do it with that person, just cause they say it’s alright, would you stop at a child ?yes of course, would you stop at a brother or sister? yes of course ,so you can stop at the same sex ,yes you can your choice ,if you no that it’s wrong stop letting your imagination run rampant and wild , physically you are male or female, made for each other and produce through each other, created by God almighty design, undisputed truth nothing else but the truth will stand , give your life to Jesus today he will give you your real identity , beware of satan who lies to your mind . Read the book of life .
No one is born gay period that’s a choice because you obey your pappy Satan and do not obey GOD the one that created you male or female. So no excuse for being gay your choice heaven or hell. Facts
@@teespirit8465 Shut up with your homophobia.
God is not something everyone believes in, and from my perspective, is a tool to make people like you obedient and feel like there's something for you when you die when you follow some "rules"and give you something to hold onto for a question that you can't answer.
The "book of truth" is created by man. Full of stories and rules that I bet you don't even follow to a tea. Changed by man so they can bend people to what they see fit. Hell wasn't even real and the devil didn't run it. Men made that shit up.
Stop going around "preaching" to those who don't care for it nor want to hear it. As it's simply you showing your ignorance and is you trying to force people to follow a religion through fear, false information, and frankly, sexism. Go actually educate yourself. Not read a book that has nothing backing up what it claims.
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