Fair decks: let’s play a land every turn and then use those lands to play cards that help us win the game and/or prevent our opponent from winning the game. Manaless dredge: let’s dump a bunch of crap in my graveyard and then get 89 power on the field on turn one with no lands. Oh your opening hand has a leyline of the void okay let’s go to game 2.
I think it's fine to mulligan if you have no dredgers since you're very unlikely to draw & discard one turn 1 but if you mulligan you have a better chance of having one to discard by the end of turn 2 Discard spells when you have no dredgers are not giving you an extra turn, they're just choosing what you discard
If you have no dredgers and the rest of your hand is garbage then yeah mulligan. For example 2 bridge 2 narco 2 creeping chill 1 flayer is not too hot and is a mulligan. But a hand with some redraws (street wraith) and phantasmagorian will give you an explosive start when you hit the dredger so it's a keep
Running only 13 Dredgers seems pretty self-destructive, not counting Street Wraith you only have a dredgers in your opening hand 83,7% of the time, as opposed to 88,2% when running 15 or 90% with 16. Chancellor is also fairly useless without DRS in the format, you have the Forces+Shoals for the beatable hate cards.
What do you play instead of chancellor? I like it still, works against thoughtseixe and generally slows down opponents game plan. Also a good card to reanimate against some decks, especially combo decks which are usually pita.
Also not having Unmask in the main deck is questionable. It’s a way to preform hand disruption because of the alt casting cost, and allows for mulligans since you can discard from your own hand with it.
@@ZakanaHachihaCBC Unmask got considerably worse since Probe ban since you're all that less likely to have a cycler t1 after Unmask, and if any permission is pointed at Unmask you just double time walked yourself. Against hate cards it's fairly useless since Cage, Rip and Containment Priest come down before your second turn (assuming you want to cleanup t1)
Jolssoni that makes sense. I haven’t played the deck in a while since I’ve built my Eldrazi deck, and Eldrazi is just better so I’ve been focusing on it more.
4c Loam and Lands are 2 different decks though. I mean the one that plays exploration, mana bond, etc. whereas 4c Loam has Knights and Chalices mainboard.
So now I've seen in at least two vids from you where you misclick while holding priority. I'm pretty sure what you're supposed to do is hold control before you click on the card and pay for cost and everything and hold control the entire time.
Thibault La Batide_Alanore Lotleth Giant and Izami thousand eyes. Also not having any of the Haste enablers to kill with the Zombies you end up making with Bridge. Progenitus and Dakmore Salvage in the Board are also useful.
Chantal Beck yes, I am aware. You have Progenitus in the board incase you can’t get the haste enabler or kill with Flayer of the Hatebound. You have Progenitus so that after you turn over your library and make a horde of 2/2 zombie tokens, you get to have an extra turn to attack with everything.
For the record, m1. I feel like you sideboarded a bit too much which diluted your engine. Cabal therapy is huge in this matchup as it's almost a pure race. LED dredge is currently in the metagame.....I play a lot of dredge
Honestly, this deck looks a little on the out dated side. No Progenitus or Dakmore in the Board, no Lotlith Giant or Izami thousand eyes as main deck alt wins, and no haste enabler like Samut or Flamekin Zealot to take advantage of the Bridges. Unmask is amazing as it’s hand disruption you can cast, and because it’s any player, mulligans become options.
@@ZakanaHachihaCBC yes but that is never relevant, the flayer is better because it also can do more when you cant mill your whole library, andrea is playing my exact 75 that I got 2nd at the challenge with and I have tested extensively. Flayer is better because you can reainimate it when you have very few cards in your graveyard and create wins, where lotleth only wins if you mill most of your graveyard
@@HiddenGhost00 flayer of the hatebound is more consistent. flame kin and lotleth giant either need alot of creatures on the battlefield or graveyard. flayer deals the enough damage of damage in the most amount of scenarios. the only scetchy stuff is contagon over noxiuse shoal.
They usually don't play unmask in main because if you get fow'd (or dazed etc if on the draw) you double timewalk yourself. If you get LEDs you might as well play LED dredge although manaless has it's advantages. LEDs would just be an awkward discard outlet
@@MK-13337 oh i thought unmask was a discard cost i didnt realize u had to target yourself to put something in the grave and didnt realize there was a specific led build ill look into it
@@JonathanHecht Rider is there because it can be pitched to Disrupting Shoal to stop Rest in Peace. Also, some people play "Fearless Dredge", which runs no anti-hate cards (like FoW and Disrupting Shoal). Basically, the idea is to focus on comboing fast and hoping they don't have hate.
Knobhead it’s in the deck because it helps to race against more aggressive decks through the life gain while also getting you closer to your goal: killing your opponent. It’s a free lightning helix
Mana dredge in legacy works with rainbow lands like city of brass and casts stuff like faithless looting and breakthrough. Cephalid coliseum is also big.
Fair decks: let’s play a land every turn and then use those lands to play cards that help us win the game and/or prevent our opponent from winning the game.
Manaless dredge: let’s dump a bunch of crap in my graveyard and then get 89 power on the field on turn one with no lands. Oh your opening hand has a leyline of the void okay let’s go to game 2.
It’s not the only deck with 0 lands. You forgot about oops all spells :) are you going to play that deck ever? So much fun to play/watch
Oops all spells usually has lands in the SB
Sam Matthias don’t let your memes be dreams.
Some versions of Manaless Dredge will have a Dakmore in the Board too
@@blackopstk Does it? My SB just has LED's and Belchers to dodge graveyard hate
@@coltonrobinson3459 yeah you can run the blue hideaway land for the doomsday combo
Finally dredge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You told me there would be no dredge some time ago. Thank you so much!!!!!
I’ve got my cards coming Friday to start running this style of deck. I’m pumped.
Mengucci you read my mind !! I was looking for this video yesterday and only found LSV s vid from a year ago... This is awesome
I can only agree on this! love to see a new dredge video and also with lots of explanations
Hey I didn’t know mengucci played yugioh! Great content nonetheless!
Hi, this is my list from the challenge, the contagian is mostly for containment priest but also puts in work against elves and infect
Rich Shay playing in Round 3. The Atog Lord himself!
Hey Andrea, Opponent 3 was the vintage specialist Rich Shay.
Nothing makes Thanksgiving any better than getting a Legacy Veedio with mengucci
I think it's fine to mulligan if you have no dredgers since you're very unlikely to draw & discard one turn 1 but if you mulligan you have a better chance of having one to discard by the end of turn 2
Discard spells when you have no dredgers are not giving you an extra turn, they're just choosing what you discard
If you have no dredgers and the rest of your hand is garbage then yeah mulligan. For example 2 bridge 2 narco 2 creeping chill 1 flayer is not too hot and is a mulligan.
But a hand with some redraws (street wraith) and phantasmagorian will give you an explosive start when you hit the dredger so it's a keep
Game 1 against The Atog Lord was great. It looked like both decks were operating at maximum capacity
Another Mengucci veedio?! Hell yeah.
I watched the entire lego movie as an ad lol pretty funny show it was like almost 2 hours but worth.
Running only 13 Dredgers seems pretty self-destructive, not counting Street Wraith you only have a dredgers in your opening hand 83,7% of the time, as opposed to 88,2% when running 15 or 90% with 16. Chancellor is also fairly useless without DRS in the format, you have the Forces+Shoals for the beatable hate cards.
What do you play instead of chancellor? I like it still, works against thoughtseixe and generally slows down opponents game plan. Also a good card to reanimate against some decks, especially combo decks which are usually pita.
@@fclmfan1 2 more Shells with Progenitus (spy package without blue).
Also not having Unmask in the main deck is questionable.
It’s a way to preform hand disruption because of the alt casting cost, and allows for mulligans since you can discard from your own hand with it.
@@ZakanaHachihaCBC Unmask got considerably worse since Probe ban since you're all that less likely to have a cycler t1 after Unmask, and if any permission is pointed at Unmask you just double time walked yourself. Against hate cards it's fairly useless since Cage, Rip and Containment Priest come down before your second turn (assuming you want to cleanup t1)
Jolssoni that makes sense. I haven’t played the deck in a while since I’ve built my Eldrazi deck, and Eldrazi is just better so I’ve been focusing on it more.
Next video play Lands
He already did play lands
I can’t find the video anywhere.
Any chance you can link it
@@alexander-baxter yea it's the 4c loam video just didn't call it lands
4c Loam and Lands are 2 different decks though.
I mean the one that plays exploration, mana bond, etc. whereas 4c Loam has Knights and Chalices mainboard.
Maybe they took the video down because I honestly can’t find it
So now I've seen in at least two vids from you where you misclick while holding priority. I'm pretty sure what you're supposed to do is hold control before you click on the card and pay for cost and everything and hold control the entire time.
Lotleth giant seems like a cleaner finisher than flayer of the hatebound if you manage to mill most of your library
Thibault La Batide_Alanore Lotleth Giant and Izami thousand eyes.
Also not having any of the Haste enablers to kill with the Zombies you end up making with Bridge.
Progenitus and Dakmore Salvage in the Board are also useful.
Chantal Beck yes, I am aware.
You have Progenitus in the board incase you can’t get the haste enabler or kill with Flayer of the Hatebound. You have Progenitus so that after you turn over your library and make a horde of 2/2 zombie tokens, you get to have an extra turn to attack with everything.
Chantal Beck You have Progenitus BECAUSE it shuffles back in. That’s what you want it to do.
For the record, m1. I feel like you sideboarded a bit too much which diluted your engine. Cabal therapy is huge in this matchup as it's almost a pure race. LED dredge is currently in the metagame.....I play a lot of dredge
@@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544 says the individual who is against unlife. Zombies are alive too and they just want to cross a bridge
Amazing video, good Job this time!
At 14:46, I might have faerie macabre'd your own bridge
Those creeping Chills look really suspect with no secondary ability to use them from your hand like with mana dredge.
You can shuffle them back in with whirlpool
I miss Probe :((
mcth0ny I miss prove both in modern and legacy #unbanGProbe #MakeGProbeGreatAgain
Finally! I love this deck
25:07. Why not discard entire hand while keeping priority to the card in graveyard?
i think you should have cut flayer instead of shambleing shell
Nice, I love dredge!
Honestly, this deck looks a little on the out dated side.
No Progenitus or Dakmore in the Board, no Lotlith Giant or Izami thousand eyes as main deck alt wins, and no haste enabler like Samut or Flamekin Zealot to take advantage of the Bridges.
Unmask is amazing as it’s hand disruption you can cast, and because it’s any player, mulligans become options.
*Unmask. Unmake is triple hybrid W/B :)
The-Jaded thankyou for pointing that out. I guess I may have accidentally misspelled it and autocorrect turned it to make
Flayer will always get the job done, lotleth is reduntant
John Johnson when you’re at the point Flayer gets it done, Lotleth does in fewer steps.
@@ZakanaHachihaCBC yes but that is never relevant, the flayer is better because it also can do more when you cant mill your whole library, andrea is playing my exact 75 that I got 2nd at the challenge with and I have tested extensively. Flayer is better because you can reainimate it when you have very few cards in your graveyard and create wins, where lotleth only wins if you mill most of your graveyard
Any reason there is no Flame-Kin Zealot in this build?
No Flame-Kin Zealot and no Lotleth Giant is a huge mistake...
@@HiddenGhost00 flayer of the hatebound is more consistent. flame kin and lotleth giant either need alot of creatures on the battlefield or graveyard. flayer deals the enough damage of damage in the most amount of scenarios. the only scetchy stuff is contagon over noxiuse shoal.
No flame-kin (or friends), Lotlith Giant, Izami thousand eyes, Progenitus or Dakmore Salvage.
@@ZakanaHachihaCBC izami? Izoni?
Kevin Baudin yes Izoni my bad.
This deck is so fun :D
Can you play the Merfolk Wizard Deck from Starcitygames?
I too choose to celebrate genocide by playing dredge
They do have a 5 drop in the deck .... dark petition. 8:10
sorry new to legacy but why do i never see unmask in these manaless builds? or led? u could go off t1
They usually don't play unmask in main because if you get fow'd (or dazed etc if on the draw) you double timewalk yourself.
If you get LEDs you might as well play LED dredge although manaless has it's advantages. LEDs would just be an awkward discard outlet
@@MK-13337 oh i thought unmask was a discard cost i didnt realize u had to target yourself to put something in the grave and didnt realize there was a specific led build ill look into it
Where's the decklist?
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can the deck function without F.O.W in the side?
in addition, wouldn't Whirlpool Drake be a better card of choice than Rider?
@@JonathanHecht Rider is there because it can be pitched to Disrupting Shoal to stop Rest in Peace.
Also, some people play "Fearless Dredge", which runs no anti-hate cards (like FoW and Disrupting Shoal). Basically, the idea is to focus on comboing fast and hoping they don't have hate.
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How about simian spirit guide in the sideboard, to pay for thalia
Please. Elvish Spirit Guide is strictly better.
Dakmore Salvage in the Board works too
Jacob H. Haven also the Simian guide from Masters 25 is actually better in decks without Summoners Pact.
@@qj4230 elvish spirit guide does not play for chain lightning though.
Thanksgiving VVEEDDIIOOO
Lol he can't beat tabernacle
You just kill them with flayer and a fat grave troll
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Creeping chill does not seem worth any slots.
Knobhead it’s in the deck because it helps to race against more aggressive decks through the life gain while also getting you closer to your goal: killing your opponent. It’s a free lightning helix
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modern dredge wins t3 u did nothing by t3 most games
This guy doesn't know how to play manaless dredge. Legacy dredge wins turn 2 regularly.
Manaless dredge just seems so much worse than a version with lands. Bazaar at the very least seems like an absolute requirement for functioning
it's banned.
Mana dredge in legacy works with rainbow lands like city of brass and casts stuff like faithless looting and breakthrough. Cephalid coliseum is also big.
You're mixing up Legacy Dredge and Vintage Dredge. Bazaar is Vintage only.
worse than modern dredge lol
Such a bad deck. Playing the mana version just gives so many more options.
chessvideogaming Manaless isn’t a bad deck for getting yourself into the format. Yes the mana build will be better, but it’s also built with 4 LED.
@@namename8004 The Mana version of Dredge can win on turn 1. LED, Land into Breakthrough usually does it.
@@namename8004 Well Belcher is a bad deck haha