Fun fact: the 'spin off' if you can call it that (it was mostly just a continuation in a different location?) Was rebranded, not because they HAD to change the location.. but to avoid paying the actors higher salaries for being part of a longer running series.. ahh mega corporations.. what they won't do to cling to their money...
Yikes, sad days. Crazy that a corporation with far more money than the workers are allowed to use loopholes to make them more money... feeding the tops of the markets without alot of trickle down. :/
@@BerryJackalopeThe point of money trickling down is that it is supposed to resemble a faucet when you didn’t full turn it off. A few drops here and there.
I remember the mom's "oh thank goodness" went over my head as a kid. For about two seconds. My mom immediately explained that she was worried Zack as gay. And I remember being confused as to why that was worse than trying to con rich people out of their money. Now as an adult. I know nothing is wrong with either.
Btw I know being gay and trans are not the same thing. I was just using the word my mom used. Btw some more, she herself isn't homophobic or transphobic. She was just communicating to me what the show was trying to say without really getting into the topic with me further.
I mean in todays society I really wouldn't want my kids to be gay and that was worse back in the day. For a lot of parents it wasn't about hating gay people but more about not wanting to be the parent of the alternative kid which would come with a lot of struggles for both the parent and the kid from the less accepting community members
Ive been on the other end of the "id date you if you where a boy" thing whilst having a crush on the person saying it. And let me tell you as a trans guy, that was absolutely crushing. This was before i was out and tranditoning, so at the time, it was a slap in the face because my first thought was "but being a boy is all ive ever wanted".
I had the same but inverted. A girl at my school actually said she'd wished I wasn't a guy, and that was before I had admitted to myself that I was trans. Sadly once I came out, she brought that up and tried to spin my transition as a dishonest predatory attempt. (Before it was once-again fashionable to do so... this was like 15 years ago now.) Some girls in my school were supportive, but she'd managed to wrangle a significant portion to think negatively about my transition :/
It's not the same, but similar; As a closeted transguy I feel that same gut punch whenever I have friends or family call me a woman, its so bitter ouch
The sweet/flirty moments between Rebecca and Cody-as-Tyresha always stood out to me as a kid 👩❤👩 "If you were a boy, I'd kiss you" = absolutely devastating 😭
I'm not lesbian, but I always found that scene confusing (I now understand I was confused because I'm demisexual and quoiromantic, but that wasn't something I knew about myself as a child). In my mind, I didn't understand why Tyresha being a girl would stop Rebecca from kissing her. Imo, if you would say, "I'd kiss you" in the first place, it means you found them worthy of kissing, so why is gender stopping you? While I found this confusing, I was able to mostly put a bandaid on my confusion with justifying that she was religious and thought it was a sin. I was in a cult around that time, so I thought it was good justification. I just thought it was wrong to say because it meant you were crossing a line and making someone uncomfortable because there should never be a reason to tell someone you'd kiss them and then not kiss them. Seemed weird to me. Again, I now understand I'm demisexual and quoiromantic, so I know that my mentality was this way because if I wanna kiss someone that badly, it's because we are friends and I've been into them for a long while; and a line is clearly crossed into less of a friend zone once you start talking about intimacy. Since it's hard for me to tell the difference between friends or partners, I let the person show or state their boundaries from the beginning, and go off of that, so saying "I'd kiss you," to someone who's established that they are only my friend, would seem like crossing a boundary to me. I understand this about me now, but back then I just couldn't understand why Rebecca felt the need and desire to say that when she could've crossed a boundary.
One of the reasons I realized why I hated seeing every girl and guy ending up in a relationship even if they were better as friends or, like in the show, just guys seeing girls and immediately hitting on them, shows little kids that you can't be friends with girls if you're a guy and vice versa. But the trans people are the ones sexualizing the kids. And shout out to Mr.mozeby for calling out the little kids' bs
Yes! Thank you! Little kids shouldn't immediately get shunted into an expectation of het relationships! The world is made up of so much more than romance, let the kids be kids! It's ok to not feel romantically attracted at all! Let alone with a gender similar or different to your own. We can explore nuance of human development without setting a standard in relationship expectations. (depends on the age range for the show, of course, I support exposure to all types of families, it's just it doesn't have to be about that all the time)
@BerryJackalope I get your point to an extent but I think it’s also worth noting that overemphasis on relationships is a cishet thing in media with representation of any other relationship being so rare and constrained that they couldn’t try to force it on kids if they tried (which they don’t).
@@legometaworld2728 I hear what your saying, it ties a little to my end point. Relationship media is important and should include a wide range of combinations because that is the reality of the world we live in. I've just noticed such a push to immediately pair off the genders to their "equal" opposite gender at ages where they shouldn't be seeking partners and that feels like too much. Allow the development of other skills before romance is introduced, kids should not feel inclined or pressured to be in romantic situations at such young ages. (not saying let's seek erasure of queer relationships by any means, just saying boy and girl characters don't need to have crushes on each other so early when the plot could have other lessons to be learned)
@berryjackalope Thank you for elaborating, I guess I misunderstood your wording at first and I agree that the immediate urge for writers to put characters, especially such young ones, into (straight) relationships is unnecessary, especially when there are other angles to explore their friendships at, including leaving it at friendship.
Have you ever done the kids next door "trans" episode about a gender conversion villain? I always remember the scene of someone dramatically revealing a single feminized hand
@@BerryJackalope , it was a very early 2000s cartoon created by the two guys who did "Recess!" It was about a regular extraterrestrial kid who goes to school with other assorted extraterrestrial beings (including some humans!) in a space station, and who gets up to the standard kid hijinks. In one early episode, a new kid joins Lloyd's class, and he learns that members of that kid's species choose their gender when they turn 13. The other kids spend the bulk of the episode fighting over the increasingly-annoyed new kid and trying to get them to "choose" one gender team or the other. The kid ultimately chooses their new gender in secret and then firmly refuses to tell the other kids so they'll shut up and back off. :D
As a lesbian, “if you were a boy, I’d kiss you,” was the absolute worst thing to hear as a kid. I was super invested in Cody-as-Tyresha and Rebecca. I think I was about 10-11 when that episode came out. Your content is very interesting Lily! I’ll definitely be watching more.
Out of all the times crossdressing was played for laughs on Nickelodeon and Disney Channel, this one probably had the most net positive emotions for me. Like it was a pretty average amount of shame, but a far above average amount of wonder/inspiration. There was definitely plenty of envy too-- I remember kinda rolling my eyes thinking I would've done a way better job of being a girl than Cody did
I want to see a "gender"swap episode (that's actually just a biological sex swap) in a show where all the characters are freaking out and trying to change back, but one is just like "Actually, I think I like it more like this. I've never been this happy in my life. For once, I finally feel like me." There's some internal conflict and confusion, but when they find the solution, to everyone else's shock, they opt out. After talking and debating, the decision is final and everyone changes back except the one person. And they just stay that way for the entire rest of the series and seem way happier. It's occasionally brought up, but the show mostly just carries on as normal, but now the one character just lives their live as a different gender in a different body.
The umbrella academy comes to mjnd, though its not exactly the situation you describe. An actor of a character transitioned between one of the seasons and came back a dude.
I love the bit at the start of you being surprised about seeing that actor as a kid, because for me this was a surprising lesson that one of the Sprouse kids is in Riverdale.
And they were barely preschoolers in Big Daddy. I have the theory that Dylan was the one in all the swearing scenes and Cole in the more Actually Serious ones.
Weird how Maddie bringing up education actually makes a lot of sense. I remember hearing that a lot of those child pageants have scholarships as prizes. Or at least the teen/young adult ones.
I was a little disappointed that you didn't touch on Debbie Ryan's genderswap at the beginning of The Suite Life on Deck. That version felt way more trans-adjacent to me, maybe because it was presented a little more seriously, or maybe because she was actually determined to stick it out for the long term, or maybe because once Cody was in on the secret, he became super supportive and protective of her identity. I dunno. I had a massive crush on Debbie Ryan for many years and only recently figured out it was because her stealthing tore at something deep in my heart that wasn't even awake yet when I first watched the show.
@@gnomefrompinkerton there’s a lot of kids who do transition before the age of 18 then regret it after it’s too late. If we’re only allowed to vote after the age of 18, I say we should only allow hormone/surgery transitioning after the age of 18 as well.
@@creepykidandinfinitedreams2987 while in many countries this is already reality at least for trans people, the problem is way too complex to deduct one law for all people on the basis of the assumption that "a lot of kids who transition before 18 regret it after it's too late" 1. how many do regret it, what's the data 2. how many in relation to those who don't regret it (you said a lot, what does that mean? Wilson et al. found 2017 in a meta-study that 1 out of 7 patients with cancer had regret after their surgery, they found this rate was relatively low) 3. many transitioning options were developed and are in practice for treating cis people who technically don't transition. How is the regret rate of those medical interventions in the cis group under 18 for the same practices? 4. how many people over 18 regret not having/not having had access to medical transition in some kind (hormones or surgery)? How do those groups relate? Medical decisions can be difficult and are not necessary for every transition. That's why the already recommended way is social transition first and if necessary delaying puberty with blockers and starting hormone therapy and maybe surgery with legal adulthood. All medical decisions should be carefully considered with one's doctor. They pledged the hippocratic oath to not do harm, do you think you can trust on that? The moment politics try to barge into medical decisions harm will be caused, because general assumptions don't apply to all individuals, just to some.
Y'know what's sad? As a trans woman, I didn't realize this was probably the first time I saw gender-swapping in the media until that last line of "oh thank goodness".... because that's what was imprinted on my brain when I watched this as a kid. I felt a very familiar, almost nostalgic sense of dread when I heard that in this video. Looking back, this whole episode is such a weird trip for me. It felt good, and then... not. They showed an example of what I wanted, but in a framework of the kids being bad and sneaky, but at the end of the day the adults weren't mad because at least the gender-swapping wasn't genuine!
Carrey (the mom) has a transphobic streak. In future episodes, she will continue to disapprove of her boys wearing makeup or doing anything feminine. She also mentions “sharing a boyfriend with someone” in one episode, and will later disapprove of one of her sons doing something similar. Keyan Carlisle has a video essay in which he points all of this out.
feel free to ignore this but he actually has two videos about zack and cody im pretty sure and i don’t know if i want to put ~9 hours into zack and cody video essays lol - do you know which video he mentions this in?
@@sclarinet9088depends what kind of video essays you like to watch but if you like videos about nostalgic media like lily’s i may have some recommendations:)
@@jumies4056 He reviews every episode and will mention something queer whenever it happens. Speaking of which, there was an episode that I completely forgot about where the boys visit another dimension and Esteban (I think he’s a bellhop) is a woman for whatever reason. That’s the entire joke. I think if you’re just interested in every time Carrey says something transphobic, you can just look it up and try to find a compilation.
@@sclarinet9088 If you’re looking for solely 2000-2010 sitcom content, I would recommend Quinton Reviews for Nickelodeon shows. Not quite video essays, but Caitlin McKillop has some pretty interesting nostalgia videos. One of my favorite video essayists is Defunctland. The videos are about defunct attractions and Disney. His Jim Henson series changed my life. Sorry if that’s not helpful, I couldn’t think of much.
So like this is only kind of related, but back in 2019 Dylan was in a short film called Daddy, and its IMDb description is that it's about an 80 y/o man who after the passing of his wife spends his anniversary with a male escort who he has take the place of and dress as his wife; which I realize by description doesn't sound great, but genuinely it's a beautiful and sweet queer short films I've ever seen, and it's handled sooo well and Dylan does an amazing job. If you're looking for a good cry I highly recommend it. It's both sad and heartwarming, and what it's actually about is a queer older man who loved his wife very much but it's implied that he never got to express his interest in men. He hires this male escort and has him dress as her, eat dinner with him and dance with him. This is both a way to say goodbye to her, because he never got to, and also embracing his queerness at the same time. And you also see the ghost of his wife watching approvingly and dancing with him and It's so beautiful and sad (and I'm gonna go watch it after this now lol). And yeah, again, only vaguely related, and obvs not about transness or a trans woman, but since you were looking into Dylan's career, I thought I'd take the opportunity to bring it up (Idr if links work in the comments, but if you'd like here is a link to it, it's available for free on TH-cam th-cam.com/video/bcYzYiVDIlg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ja-ir8DYYTfIVSlE ) *Edit, I am returning because I was wrong about a couple things, still a very beautiful short film, I just misremembered some things
I was hoping someone would bring this short film up!! I remember watching it when I came out but couldn’t remember what it was called!! I think a lot of people here would like it
The sequel, Suite Life on Deck, also had a "trans episode" - in episode 1 there's a character, Bailey, who's a girl but pretends she's a guy because all the girl spots at the boat school Zack and Cody go to are taken and she dresses and pretend to be a boy and is also paired with Zack as a roommates. I feel like this one is closer to She's The Man, it has a similar gag with Zack finding Bailey's bikini top and her saying it's her "girlfriend's" (it's actually hers)
Unrelated, but my sights were set so low for trans representation when I was a teen that I remember loving the Bones episode that had a murdered trans woman in it... Just because she wasn't a sex worker and she wasn't murdered *for being* trans... that was it. Even though she was just a corpse and the entire point of her being trans was just a set up for a joke where the bone-scientists were such bone-nerds that they concluded that she was a man because of the shape of her bones before even noticing she had a vulva.
You made me curious and I'm watching the episode now. "The He in the She", season 4 episode 7, 2008 The bone doctor (who is autistic coded and keeps throwing out interesting facts literally didn't notice her crotch lol) Ngl, I like how the detectives are looking for information about this mystery woman and trying to figure out why she doesn't have a past... and it turns out she's trans and moved. That's genuinely a clever and original explanation for a identity mystery. They assume she's in witness protection or something "Officially she didn't exist before 5 years ago". Because she's trans! Clever use of a trans character! And the characters in the show are... actually respectful... in context/the time I guess? They jumble with the pronouns but they're trying their best. I think it's sweet when people are trying to get the correct pronouns. I'm amused by those types of moments. Multiple people get angry and defend her whenever someone says "not a real woman"! They assume the murder is transphobically motivated, but nope, it's not! Woo. I don't think anyone's transphobic in this episode except for one character who's in one scene? The furthest is when the cop is going "bad cop" at a suspect...but it's hinted that he was acting. I would say it's pro-trans even. (In context, It's a murder show, there's not many ways to have a prominent guest character without them being a corpse) The episode is more about how televangelists suck and small pastors who welcome everyone are nice than about being trans. FOR A TRANS MURDER VICTIM this episode was actually really nice. I actually really enjoyed that. Thank you! (I admit I am a glass half full type person when it comes to representation tho) 💙💗🤍💗💙
Yeah, there was definitely some not okay aspects to that episode but there are some things they did decently well with (as HotDog's comment details). There's also the Bones episode where a Japanese scientist comes from Japan to help solve a murder and the crew spend the whole episode trying to figure out what's in the person's pants (Season 4's “The Girl in the Mask”-episode 23). I rewatched it a while ago and it was incredibly uncomfortable to watch.
bones are an important part of forensics, if the bone structure is that of a mans, (smaller pelvis and stuff) then that murdered person was a man. We can't ignore basic biology when it comes to solving a murderer.
@@creepykidandinfinitedreams2987 the joke on the show was that the bone-scientists were so hyperfixated on bones that they noticed the difference in bone structure*before* noticing the vulva and had to have the vulva pointed out to them (the victim wasn't skeletal and was intact.) Difference in bone size/shapes between the genders are more generalities, rather than rules, and there's a huge overlap, so scientists and forensic experts are often mistaken in interpreting the sex of corpses via their bones, and proven wrong later by other evidence such as DNA. And yes, if the bone is much more likely to belong to a male, that fact can be important to a murder investigation and shouldn't be ignored, but trans women exist. And so even of a bone is proven to 100% definitely belong to a male... you still can't tell if the owner's gender was 'man' from just that.
@@Aranlia When I was looking for more information on the trans episode, some people mentioned the japanese nonbinary episode and that it's bad. I didn't check it out.
I was gonna pretend she was relieved Zack wasn't being gross. Like smelling a girl's clothes or something. BUT he's performing on stage, not hiding under the bed or in a dark room or anything. Transphobia is kinda the only way to look at it, huh? Unfortunate. Kind of expected from 2005 but still unfortunate.
@@creepyartic290why are you choosing to click on a trans creator's video on trans tv episodes and choosing to be transphobic? Just move on with your day buddy, if you don't like trans people then don't go into spaces with trans people, you don't have to be that obsessed with us
If it makes you feel better, Kim Rhodes (who played the mom) has since come out and apologized for that line because she has learned it was hurtful and unsupportive.
I think it might be neat if you checked out the Spongebob episode "That's No Lady," in which a misunderstanding causes Patrick to believe his life is in danger, so Spongebob and Patrick disguise him as a woman. You could also look at "Rock-A-Bye Bivalve" for an episode in which Spongebob and Patrick need to take care of a baby scallop and Spongebob takes the "mom" role quite naturally, even presenting fem for most of the episode, and it's not seen as "wrong" or "weird" by anybody. This facet of the episode is probably a reference to how real-life sea sponges are hermaphrodites (possessing both male and female genitalia), a fact which was certainly known to Stephen Hillenburg (the late Spongebob creator and marine biologist). Also, and this is a small point, but there's an episode ("The Slumber Party") which has a one-minute scene where a girl named Girly Teengirl arrives at Pearl's slumber party. Because she looks exactly like Spongebob and is also voiced by Tom Kenny, not only do the other girls kick her out of the party (thinking she's Spongebob in disguise), but many fans have headcanoned her as trans.
In Rockabye Bivalve there's a joke that could be seen as a little homophobic-adjacent, until they shrug it off and move on. The two fish have a thought bubble like 🧽 + ⭐️ = 🐚? Sorry, I did my best with the emojis lol
@@Nakia11798 Seriously? The joke isn't "how can two males have a baby?", it's "how does a sponge and a starfish make a clam?". It's right there, in the emojis.
For the thing about Maddie being jealous I should note Maddie is usually portrayed as "the smart one" though since this was the second episode things might not've been set in place yet
What bothers me is that she is obviously supposed to be feeling that "I should be cute" feeling that we get without any dialog about how that's not the healthiest mindset. Like, it's just like "booo, your bitter cause you didn't win" when it should be more about how the whole concept is warped and morally corrupt. Maybe too heavy for a kids show, but then why include it at all?
My favourite thing about "gender bender" episodes is how the character doing the gender bending ALWAYS completely change their personality. Cody is like the lawful good, sweet kid who does his homework and is super smart. While Zack is the athletic one. Then the second he is dressed as a girl he is like "I'm gonna be a hockey player." While being way more macho than he is loll.
'I did it so we could win money for bikes' '... oh thank god.' That line made my jaw hit the floor when i heard it for the first time a few months ago, and im not even trans!
I'm a trans masc millenial and this was one of my favorite shows. I remember it well. Thank you for this analysis. I would love for you to do a video on the portrayal of Umbridge in Starkid's "A Very Potter Sequel." I think it's really interesting because, to me, the joke isn't "haha man in a dress" but more about how ideas of what a man should be and what a women should be negatively affects gender noncomforming cis people as well. Kind of like this episode.
OMG, STARKIDS!!! They are a treasure, honestly, I adored their portrayal of jks work before all this hit the fan and now? I tell everyone who's every loved Harry Potter to watch it, it's satirical in the absolute best possible sense. I, a trans man, didn't mind Umbridge so much, and her song "Remeber that time?" Gets stuck in my head often. I think it's parodying the concept of fem vs masc and how we can encompass those traits while identifying in the opposite gender. It's fun.
I’m a transwoman(now, I wasn’t watching this show) and I never really liked it. The humor didn’t land for me and I thought the twins’ personalities were kind of grating. 😬 I’ve never seen Starkid’s Harry Potter but I wouldn’t mind seeing it covered.
@@Sophia-vk5bq Any starkids content is pretty good. Just look up starkids on yt. They've done many fully produced plays on lots of media throughout the years, superheros, Disney, Harry Potter, just a fun satirical threatre group. :)
Here’s the thing: as a late bloomer lesbian, I cannot even tell you how many times my “intense female friendships” included the phrase “I’d date/kiss/love you if you were a boy” on my end.
I know it's a sci-fi show, and it deals with an alien, but Lloyd in Space's episode about what was basically a non-binary kid was cool even if at the time I had no clue about what that was or knew I was non-binary. For better context, the whole cast is basically aliens but they are more or less human in how they behave. I also liked how the show really showed off how much pressure people will put on you to adhere to a certain gender expression or identity. Or when they want to be supportive, they might over correct albeit with their heart in the right place.
I have watched a ridiculous amount of videos on your channel, you make great stuff. It's sharp, analytical, and yet still somehow comfortable and measured. You also have a great sense of humor. I'm happy to have found your stuff.
I met Dylan Sprouse when I was 16. My friend’s step dad and him went to the same Heathen church on Long Island while Dylan went to NYU and my friend and I tagged along to one of their get togethers. We did some archery, drank mead out of a horn, and talked for a while. He was a super nice guy and really down to Earth. It was definitely a unique experience to have with your childhood TV crush.
Hey lily I saw this episode as a kid, and a lot of other gender-swap episodes and movies. I had a facination with them and I used to have vivid dreams of suddenly being a girl (I was asaigned as male) but whenever I talked about this I was met with ridicule and laughter. It wasn't until I was 18 when a friend of mine wanted to put makeup on me and I saw the result, that I understood. I nearly cried when I was complimented and finally felt like I knew what I was for the first time in my life. After some research I discovered that what I felt was genderfluid, but due to my dad I'm still not too open about it. All my closest friends know and accept it, and when I changed my name, I got a call from dad. He didn't say much, but it waa clear that he thought it was weird. That was earlier this year
I remember watching this episode as a child and being fascinated by the sapphic flirting. A lot of these gender swap kid shows have the male character dress as a girl and at some point flirt with their crush as a girl. It was this one and the Timmy one where he flirts with Trixie as a girl that were rather eye opening to me for unknown reasons at the time.
When the mom said "oh thank goodness" my first thought was that she thought Zack was in a skirt for... a creepier version of Cody's reason, let's just put it like that lol.
Genderswaps actually helped me realise I was trans in a “reverse-psychology” kind of way. I mostly saw MTF genderswapping and really didn’t like it, especially when reading. I realised that a major reason why was because I wanted to do the opposite (I’m transmasc) So seeing someone be forced into femininity made me stressed. 😅
Theres an episode of the Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack about gender dysphoria. I dont know if it would count as trans but the episode deals with someone being misgendered a lot and their struggle to be seen as the gender they know they are.
Speaking of the world being a weird and fun place involving Suite Life actors, Brenda Song actually continued for a long time on several Disney-related programs with her most recent being the main character in the widely popular animated series Amphibia (it's an isekai essentially, she's played a teenager from a proudly thai family, Brenda herself is also thai; it was a fun show), and is married to Macauley Culkin, the guy who played the kid from the first two Home Alone movies (there's like six or so, one was fairly recent). I'm not knocking on either of them, good for them, I just think it's a neat kind of whiplash.
honestly i would love to see you cover the trans my little pony: friendship is magic episode. yes i'm so serious. it's episode 17 of season 5, and it's called brotherhooves social. it's.... interesting
This whole era of Nick/Disney tricked me into thinking there was something inherently wrong about crossdressing. There was no media at the time that portrayed a crossdresser in a positive way. Why couldn't we have just one male character that wore a dress because they wanted to?
When I was a kid and saw all these genderswaps on tv, I sort of thought it was a moralizing thing about having empathy for people who are diffrent from us, by seeing an example of someone having to navigate the world of someone else. But it never annoyed me because I was very fascinated by the concept of gender being arbirary, and what do you know! Im non-binary! lol
Even though I haven't watched Suite Life in years, I remember this show a little too well lol It's fun seeing these actors so little again (I have the inverse issue that seeing them as adults feels weird but nostalgic, and makes me feel old even though I'm slightly younger than them) It is a shame the show didn't try to do more with the episode, even just a little bit. Kids entertainment doesn't have to be just mostly pointless entertainment
Absolutely agree. The formulaic format could add some small things to be more believable and relatable, rather than leaning on stereotypes that are not sustained.
There was this show called Too Loud while often getting a lot of flack for being compared the The Loud House, they actually do one of these episodes in a very creative way. One of the characters tries sneaking in to a slumber party by dressing as a girl, only for them to realize that they actually like themself as a girl. This is supposed to be a canon change in the show dispirited being aired out of order.
The man filming the contest in the audience is hopefully one of the girls' father. It's not unusual for parents to film many activities their children participate in.
I’d love if you checked out Ugly Betty, a popular 2006 Americanized telenovela following the people running a fashion magazine. There is a trans woman introduced as a major character during Season 1 (she competes with the protagonist’s boss to become editor-in-chief.)
totally unrelated, but at 9:40 when i saw the promo for "The Buzz on Maggie" i feel like it just unlocked so many memories of random 2000s shows that only got like a season or 2. (Dave the Barbarian, Teamo Supremo, Brandy and Mr. Whiskers...there were a lot)
IIRC Skyr you get outside of Iceland is not real Skyr, it's just some kind of yogurt/quark mix stuff The cultures used in making skyr cannot be transported out of Iceland. I'm not sure if that's a legal thing or logistical and they just die on the transport
Is the fake skyr almost identical to real skyr and it's merely inauthentic, like how champagne made outside of champagne, France, doesn't count. Or is it totally a different product.
Speaking of writer's going out of their way to have kids in kids shows gender swap, you should do a video Wizards of Waverly Place's whole Maxine thing.
I admit my reaction was "thank God" as well for the $2000 as well because I was really worried it was going to be to go undercover as girls to be creepy so maybe that's where the mom was coming from at the end (albeit, probably not since there were jokes at the expense of 'oh ha ha girls') because otherwise, yea - wtf, mum? And the flirtation between Rebecca was absolutely adorable. It really, really shows how messed up it is to groom children to be "girlfriends and boyfriends!" from such a young age. They can't ever just be kids interacting with each other. Add onto that the 'your only value is being pretty' this young - and good goddamn. I hope everyone gets the therapy they deserve, and found family because their blood family are terrible.
Zack and Cody has always had the best swear replacements. My favorite was a nun (the older blonde girl goes to a catholic school) was holding a plate of sugar cookies and gets scared and yells “holy S-ugar cookies”
I'd love to see a video about She's The Man. I'm still kinda obsessed with how that movie made me feel growing up. This idea of being "not a girl" in high school and doing things that I felt I was unable to do because of that. The relationship between Viola and the guy and the girl was part of my bi awakening tbh. This movie was also my genderfluid awakening, wishing I could just swap my gender at will and pull it off. Edit: Omg, there is a video already!!!
She only pretended to be a man so she could play soccer. Don’t be sexist and say woman can’t do things man can unless they transition. That’s the whole point of the movie, of Viola proving that she can do things man can, and doesn’t have to dress up to do those things.
I used to be in a pageant, they aren't all bad. Mine had big dresses, REGULAR outfits and winners with crowns. It really helped with my confidence so yeah, some pageants are horrible just like some dance studios but not all are.
I always enjoy a Lily Simpson video. I love her voice! Her words and phrasing really express and explore ideas in interesting and thoughtful ways! ❤ I wonder how much of the script is actually written out, how much is bullet points, but yeah. So much respect to her for the simplicity of form in her content. It's the opposite of gimmicky. Branding or not lol❤
@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper oh! They use she and they. Lily said so in a video once. Idk which one it is anymore. One of the more recent ones so I feel like we're up to date
This episode was one of my first "egg-cracking" moments, at least from media. It was this, the episode of Fairly Odd Parents where Timmy wishes he was a girl, and the episode of Jimmy Neutron where Jimmy and Cindy swap bodies. Those were my favorite episodes of those shows, and I didn't understand why until I was a teenager lol.
Seeing Cole Sprouse and Terry Crews together just reminds me of how Kevin James and Mick Foley went to High School together. "These two seperate people from two separate genres of life are here, together, in a completely separate third thing in a way I'd never expected."
I am committed to your brand, too!! Keep up the great work, Lily! Even when you discuss media I haven't seen ahead of time I enjoy the in depth analysis and well edited writing!! I admittedly don't watch actively as much as I should but I still enjoy listening to your analysis even when it's media I don't know about ahead of time at all (like this video's topic) - thanks for staying on brand ^.^
It's stuff like this that makes me appreciate shit like Star Vs and Steven Universe - in the former, Marco goes undercover as a princess at the princess finishing school and his femme identity takes on it's own thing and whenever interacting with them they're in the femme outfit because that's how they know Marco. They are fully aware of the Truth, but Marco's time with them is always as his (as he is a cis male, just not afraid to be femme when needed) princess form, which is cool. Similarly Steven Universe is quite comforable in outfits correlated to the other gender, as when he takes to the stage in Sadie's outfit in Sadies song the other characters are just like "Of COURSE the mystery girl is Steven, the whole thing had him written all over it..." Also he spends an entire arc on the Gem Homeworld in a version of his mother's outfit to make a point.
I watched this episode the other day when i decided to binge suit life of zack and cody, and honestly... My gay child past self never felt more represented... And i laughed SO FUCKING HARD when their mom said "Zack? Why are you wearing a skirt?" "I did it so we can win money for bikes..." and she replies "Oh thank goodness...". Like i shouldn't think it's that hilarious, but i just can't help it.
I feel like I remember another quick one from Suite Life On Deck. Similar premise, a bunch of pretty girls (maybe all twins or something??)show up on the ship, and at some point (maybe at the very end) there’s a bit where one of the boys dresses up as a girl to try and hang out with them. I really can’t remember a ton but I think that’s when those two English twins who were in the shitty legally blonde sequel were introduced/reintroduced into the show. Wow this comment makes no fucking sense because I can’t remember shit oh well.
Cartman did that enough times (or I saw the same episode so many times) that I came to the conclusion that he'll forever be deep in a closet of some variety. Kenny has transbian vibes
The youtuber Keyan Carlisle did a deep dive on this show and pointed out that in the first episode of this show, Moseby mentions how much a room at the Tipton costs and the prize money for the pageant in this episode barely even covers a single night there. So...uh...
The whole gender binary thing is confusing and hurtful. I came out to a councillor as genderfluid, which is how I felt at the time, and she asked me what I did that was overly masculine or feminine. She let me think it over until our next meeting and I couldn't think of any specific ideas. This councillor also was against the whole idea of animals having sentient thought, which I believe they do.
i watched this show a lot when i was little bc of just being around the same age as the twins there was that kind of relatability and i think that this episode was probably a repressed memory for me bc of how much "gentle nudging" away from anything outside gender norms i had as a kid, i remember getting made him of for liking the my little ponies that me and my sister played with growing up and that just came back to me last night when i saw a video about this old pony computer game my sister had gotten and i played a lot. i wonder about what other repressed memories i have tbh
There was an animated kids show i remember discovering because Rich Evans from RedLetterMedia guest starred in a few eps of it. It's on TH-cam and it's called Too Loud. not exactly an amazing show and its pretty annoying overall but the episode "Slumber Party Sneak-In" has one of the best messages for trans and gnc kids I've ever seen and i was floored by how mature it was. Definitely a recommend for a series like this
Man, I remember how late-00s gay communities would try to find alternate ways to read reactions like the mother's relief that it was a ploy for money. For instance, "oh she's not anti gay/trans but just wasn't ready for that discussion especially in public" and so on. Because, as you say, nothing better was even remotely available. It's weird to look back on it now, and see so clearly the obvious intended message.
Did I hear Riverdale being a guilty pleasure? I am currently on my 3rd whole rewatch, each time with a different group, and seeing the life leave their eyes, and their minds getting blown by stupidity, the continuous questions of „Why“ and „How“ that never should be asked because we all know the authors made everything up the day it was shot. It gives me life. Talking about riverdale, especially the events of season 6, just is always such a delight. Riverdale episode, please!
I don't think I made it all the way through season 2. And I remember being so pissed about CAOS going the direction it did by the end. Especially so because that's where I got my name.a
maybe a bit weird of a suggestion, but the first episode of drake and josh features josh dressing as a girl in order to “get into character” for writing his advice column where his pseudonym is a girl. and this is a thing he’s done regularly (we can assume) until drake finds out he does it
Oooo if you’re looking for trans/gender swap episode to talk about, you should watch Ozzy and Drix’s two part episode ‘Out of Body Experience’! I’d love to hear your thoughts on it because, while it’s a standard ‘boys vs girls’ and ‘boy is scared to be seen as feminine’ episode, it was my trans awakening as a feminine trans man. There’s also like… a ton of crossdressing in the whole show. Osmosis Jones (the movie it’s based off) is my comfort movie and the franchise as a whole is my special interest so I’m always wanting to hear people’s thoughts on it 😅 I’ve been binging your trans videos and love how you voice concerns over what some of those episodes can do to people’s reactions to trans people. I dont really think about impact sometimes when I watch shows so I’m getting a sharper look at these episodes 💕
I remember being traumatized as a kid by the random time they took his crossdressing far enough to do a wholeass mpreg episode lol Not like I mean a trans man having kids is scary, it's just that the episode ended with the baby being revealed to be an evil virus parasite and horrifyingly wearing Ozzy as a skin suit and bursting out. Jesus Christ who thought that was okay... It was like actually kinda legit sweet at the start with him just being 100% down with being a mom and excited for the kid that ended up trying to kill him. I felt so sorry for him!
I loved that show, and it was a special interest for me, too, when I was a kid. Would love to see that episode get discussed, even though it was very much a product of its time.
Desperately needed to finish an art commission today, fantastic timing. I love listening to your videos while making art. (Though I do regret missing out on your funny edits while I'm not looking at the screen lmao)
Fun fact: the 'spin off' if you can call it that (it was mostly just a continuation in a different location?) Was rebranded, not because they HAD to change the location.. but to avoid paying the actors higher salaries for being part of a longer running series.. ahh mega corporations.. what they won't do to cling to their money...
Yikes, sad days. Crazy that a corporation with far more money than the workers are allowed to use loopholes to make them more money... feeding the tops of the markets without alot of trickle down. :/
@@BerryJackalopeThe point of money trickling down is that it is supposed to resemble a faucet when you didn’t full turn it off. A few drops here and there.
Yup, they did the same with Hannah Montana(Hannah Montana Forever) and Liv and Maddie(Liv and Maddie Cali Style)
wow that’s rotten
Also coincidentally the very first episode of Suite Life on Deck contained an incidence of gender swapping
When she said “actussy” I lurched forward in my seat and curled in on myself as if I had just been punched in the gut.
I audibly said "shut up!!!!" Lol
A C T U S S Y
@@thorndust5329I Wilhelm screamed
I brayed like a donkey and nearly dropped my phone into the bathtub
I had already read this comment but was still totally unprepared
I remember the mom's "oh thank goodness" went over my head as a kid.
For about two seconds. My mom immediately explained that she was worried Zack as gay.
And I remember being confused as to why that was worse than trying to con rich people out of their money.
Now as an adult. I know nothing is wrong with either.
Btw I know being gay and trans are not the same thing. I was just using the word my mom used. Btw some more, she herself isn't homophobic or transphobic. She was just communicating to me what the show was trying to say without really getting into the topic with me further.
Be gay, do fraud against the rich? Based
I mean in todays society I really wouldn't want my kids to be gay and that was worse back in the day.
For a lot of parents it wasn't about hating gay people but more about not wanting to be the parent of the alternative kid which would come with a lot of struggles for both the parent and the kid from the less accepting community members
@@group555_ I mean, no, a lot of them legit just hate gay people, but that's still not a great way to think.
I thought she thought he was into Drag
Ive been on the other end of the "id date you if you where a boy" thing whilst having a crush on the person saying it. And let me tell you as a trans guy, that was absolutely crushing. This was before i was out and tranditoning, so at the time, it was a slap in the face because my first thought was "but being a boy is all ive ever wanted".
I've been there. 😔
I had the same but inverted. A girl at my school actually said she'd wished I wasn't a guy, and that was before I had admitted to myself that I was trans.
Sadly once I came out, she brought that up and tried to spin my transition as a dishonest predatory attempt. (Before it was once-again fashionable to do so... this was like 15 years ago now.) Some girls in my school were supportive, but she'd managed to wrangle a significant portion to think negatively about my transition :/
It's not the same, but similar; As a closeted transguy I feel that same gut punch whenever I have friends or family call me a woman, its so bitter ouch
Oof same it's brutal
@@kaitlyn__L wow. Way to make it all about herself.
The sweet/flirty moments between Rebecca and Cody-as-Tyresha always stood out to me as a kid 👩❤👩 "If you were a boy, I'd kiss you" = absolutely devastating 😭
omg you unlocked a memory
omg new trauma unlocked
True sapphic yearning
Luckily she’s a kid still. So ppl like that take time to realize lol
I'm not lesbian, but I always found that scene confusing (I now understand I was confused because I'm demisexual and quoiromantic, but that wasn't something I knew about myself as a child). In my mind, I didn't understand why Tyresha being a girl would stop Rebecca from kissing her. Imo, if you would say, "I'd kiss you" in the first place, it means you found them worthy of kissing, so why is gender stopping you? While I found this confusing, I was able to mostly put a bandaid on my confusion with justifying that she was religious and thought it was a sin. I was in a cult around that time, so I thought it was good justification. I just thought it was wrong to say because it meant you were crossing a line and making someone uncomfortable because there should never be a reason to tell someone you'd kiss them and then not kiss them. Seemed weird to me. Again, I now understand I'm demisexual and quoiromantic, so I know that my mentality was this way because if I wanna kiss someone that badly, it's because we are friends and I've been into them for a long while; and a line is clearly crossed into less of a friend zone once you start talking about intimacy. Since it's hard for me to tell the difference between friends or partners, I let the person show or state their boundaries from the beginning, and go off of that, so saying "I'd kiss you," to someone who's established that they are only my friend, would seem like crossing a boundary to me. I understand this about me now, but back then I just couldn't understand why Rebecca felt the need and desire to say that when she could've crossed a boundary.
One of the reasons I realized why I hated seeing every girl and guy ending up in a relationship even if they were better as friends or, like in the show, just guys seeing girls and immediately hitting on them, shows little kids that you can't be friends with girls if you're a guy and vice versa. But the trans people are the ones sexualizing the kids.
And shout out to Mr.mozeby for calling out the little kids' bs
Yes! Thank you! Little kids shouldn't immediately get shunted into an expectation of het relationships! The world is made up of so much more than romance, let the kids be kids! It's ok to not feel romantically attracted at all! Let alone with a gender similar or different to your own. We can explore nuance of human development without setting a standard in relationship expectations. (depends on the age range for the show, of course, I support exposure to all types of families, it's just it doesn't have to be about that all the time)
@BerryJackalope I get your point to an extent but I think it’s also worth noting that overemphasis on relationships is a cishet thing in media with representation of any other relationship being so rare and constrained that they couldn’t try to force it on kids if they tried (which they don’t).
@@legometaworld2728 I hear what your saying, it ties a little to my end point. Relationship media is important and should include a wide range of combinations because that is the reality of the world we live in. I've just noticed such a push to immediately pair off the genders to their "equal" opposite gender at ages where they shouldn't be seeking partners and that feels like too much. Allow the development of other skills before romance is introduced, kids should not feel inclined or pressured to be in romantic situations at such young ages. (not saying let's seek erasure of queer relationships by any means, just saying boy and girl characters don't need to have crushes on each other so early when the plot could have other lessons to be learned)
@berryjackalope Thank you for elaborating, I guess I misunderstood your wording at first and I agree that the immediate urge for writers to put characters, especially such young ones, into (straight) relationships is unnecessary, especially when there are other angles to explore their friendships at, including leaving it at friendship.
Jimmy Neutron is terrible when it comes to that. It’s the only thing I hate about the show.
"Always put his whole actussy into it" TH-thanks for that line. So glad to hear that.
Busted up out loud at that. 🤣
Have you ever done the kids next door "trans" episode about a gender conversion villain? I always remember the scene of someone dramatically revealing a single feminized hand
Oh yeah the forcefem supervillain
While we're at it, how about the episode of Lloyd in Space that had a non-binary character whose species is able to ultimately choose their gender?
Can you tell me more? I watched code name kids next door and don't remember this, it sounds very interesting.
@@dinosaysrawrwhat is Lloyd in space???
@@BerryJackalope , it was a very early 2000s cartoon created by the two guys who did "Recess!" It was about a regular extraterrestrial kid who goes to school with other assorted extraterrestrial beings (including some humans!) in a space station, and who gets up to the standard kid hijinks. In one early episode, a new kid joins Lloyd's class, and he learns that members of that kid's species choose their gender when they turn 13. The other kids spend the bulk of the episode fighting over the increasingly-annoyed new kid and trying to get them to "choose" one gender team or the other. The kid ultimately chooses their new gender in secret and then firmly refuses to tell the other kids so they'll shut up and back off. :D
As a lesbian, “if you were a boy, I’d kiss you,” was the absolute worst thing to hear as a kid. I was super invested in Cody-as-Tyresha and Rebecca. I think I was about 10-11 when that episode came out.
Your content is very interesting Lily! I’ll definitely be watching more.
Out of all the times crossdressing was played for laughs on Nickelodeon and Disney Channel, this one probably had the most net positive emotions for me. Like it was a pretty average amount of shame, but a far above average amount of wonder/inspiration. There was definitely plenty of envy too-- I remember kinda rolling my eyes thinking I would've done a way better job of being a girl than Cody did
Same! Except I thought Cody pulled off being a girl way better than I could and I was genuinely impressed.
HE PUTS HIS WHOLE ACTUSSY INTO WHAT HE IS DOING
not enough people speaking about Phill Lewis's actussy and the fact that he uses all of it, thank you
I want to see a "gender"swap episode (that's actually just a biological sex swap) in a show where all the characters are freaking out and trying to change back, but one is just like "Actually, I think I like it more like this. I've never been this happy in my life. For once, I finally feel like me." There's some internal conflict and confusion, but when they find the solution, to everyone else's shock, they opt out. After talking and debating, the decision is final and everyone changes back except the one person. And they just stay that way for the entire rest of the series and seem way happier. It's occasionally brought up, but the show mostly just carries on as normal, but now the one character just lives their live as a different gender in a different body.
The umbrella academy comes to mjnd, though its not exactly the situation you describe. An actor of a character transitioned between one of the seasons and came back a dude.
If you read fanfiction, there was a Stargate: Atlantis one-shot fic that had that exact premise
The most similar thing to that is Mr. Meaty.
They even talk about hormones
Incredible Story Studio episode Wishful Thinking
Argentinian TV show, Lalola exactly talks about that.
I heard "if you were a boy I'd kiss/date/etc." A million times growing up. Jokes on them really. I am a boy and I'm into guys
Hell yeah dude!
Same lmao
They couldn't tell that you were a boy?
Absolutely hilarious every time he does the "girl" voice and it sounds exactly like his regular voice
He hadn’t gone through puberty yet his voice hadn’t changed
@@oooh19 yes exactly
I love the bit at the start of you being surprised about seeing that actor as a kid, because for me this was a surprising lesson that one of the Sprouse kids is in Riverdale.
And they were barely preschoolers in Big Daddy. I have the theory that Dylan was the one in all the swearing scenes and Cole in the more Actually Serious ones.
@@TheoRae8289I think you're right. I follow them both on twitter and based on their posts, seems to be that way.
Weird how Maddie bringing up education actually makes a lot of sense. I remember hearing that a lot of those child pageants have scholarships as prizes. Or at least the teen/young adult ones.
why would...? what?
giving out scholarships based on academic performance is one thing...
That's what happens when you don't have free public education, the 'market' decides who has an education and who doesn't.
I was a little disappointed that you didn't touch on Debbie Ryan's genderswap at the beginning of The Suite Life on Deck. That version felt way more trans-adjacent to me, maybe because it was presented a little more seriously, or maybe because she was actually determined to stick it out for the long term, or maybe because once Cody was in on the secret, he became super supportive and protective of her identity. I dunno. I had a massive crush on Debbie Ryan for many years and only recently figured out it was because her stealthing tore at something deep in my heart that wasn't even awake yet when I first watched the show.
Rewatching the show it's wild to realize how transphobic the mom is, just such casual lines thrown around that make you go 😬
@@gnomefrompinkerton
1. nice bait
2. takes the bait
@@gnomefrompinkerton there’s a lot of kids who do transition before the age of 18 then regret it after it’s too late. If we’re only allowed to vote after the age of 18, I say we should only allow hormone/surgery transitioning after the age of 18 as well.
@@creepykidandinfinitedreams2987 while in many countries this is already reality at least for trans people, the problem is way too complex to deduct one law for all people on the basis of the assumption that "a lot of kids who transition before 18 regret it after it's too late"
1. how many do regret it, what's the data
2. how many in relation to those who don't regret it (you said a lot, what does that mean? Wilson et al. found 2017 in a meta-study that 1 out of 7 patients with cancer had regret after their surgery, they found this rate was relatively low)
3. many transitioning options were developed and are in practice for treating cis people who technically don't transition. How is the regret rate of those medical interventions in the cis group under 18 for the same practices?
4. how many people over 18 regret not having/not having had access to medical transition in some kind (hormones or surgery)? How do those groups relate?
Medical decisions can be difficult and are not necessary for every transition. That's why the already recommended way is social transition first and if necessary delaying puberty with blockers and starting hormone therapy and maybe surgery with legal adulthood. All medical decisions should be carefully considered with one's doctor. They pledged the hippocratic oath to not do harm, do you think you can trust on that? The moment politics try to barge into medical decisions harm will be caused, because general assumptions don't apply to all individuals, just to some.
@gnomefrompinkerton common pinkerton W !!
@@creepykidandinfinitedreams2987 is 0.01% of 1% a lot of people now?
The majority don't regret it.
Y'know what's sad? As a trans woman, I didn't realize this was probably the first time I saw gender-swapping in the media until that last line of "oh thank goodness".... because that's what was imprinted on my brain when I watched this as a kid. I felt a very familiar, almost nostalgic sense of dread when I heard that in this video.
Looking back, this whole episode is such a weird trip for me. It felt good, and then... not. They showed an example of what I wanted, but in a framework of the kids being bad and sneaky, but at the end of the day the adults weren't mad because at least the gender-swapping wasn't genuine!
Carrey (the mom) has a transphobic streak. In future episodes, she will continue to disapprove of her boys wearing makeup or doing anything feminine. She also mentions “sharing a boyfriend with someone” in one episode, and will later disapprove of one of her sons doing something similar. Keyan Carlisle has a video essay in which he points all of this out.
Unrelated do you have any other people who have video essay's I love these.
feel free to ignore this but he actually has two videos about zack and cody im pretty sure and i don’t know if i want to put ~9 hours into zack and cody video essays lol - do you know which video he mentions this in?
@@sclarinet9088depends what kind of video essays you like to watch but if you like videos about nostalgic media like lily’s i may have some recommendations:)
@@jumies4056 He reviews every episode and will mention something queer whenever it happens. Speaking of which, there was an episode that I completely forgot about where the boys visit another dimension and Esteban (I think he’s a bellhop) is a woman for whatever reason. That’s the entire joke.
I think if you’re just interested in every time Carrey says something transphobic, you can just look it up and try to find a compilation.
@@sclarinet9088 If you’re looking for solely 2000-2010 sitcom content, I would recommend Quinton Reviews for Nickelodeon shows. Not quite video essays, but Caitlin McKillop has some pretty interesting nostalgia videos.
One of my favorite video essayists is Defunctland. The videos are about defunct attractions and Disney. His Jim Henson series changed my life.
Sorry if that’s not helpful, I couldn’t think of much.
So like this is only kind of related, but back in 2019 Dylan was in a short film called Daddy, and its IMDb description is that it's about an 80 y/o man who after the passing of his wife spends his anniversary with a male escort who he has take the place of and dress as his wife; which I realize by description doesn't sound great, but genuinely it's a beautiful and sweet queer short films I've ever seen, and it's handled sooo well and Dylan does an amazing job. If you're looking for a good cry I highly recommend it. It's both sad and heartwarming, and what it's actually about is a queer older man who loved his wife very much but it's implied that he never got to express his interest in men. He hires this male escort and has him dress as her, eat dinner with him and dance with him. This is both a way to say goodbye to her, because he never got to, and also embracing his queerness at the same time. And you also see the ghost of his wife watching approvingly and dancing with him and It's so beautiful and sad (and I'm gonna go watch it after this now lol). And yeah, again, only vaguely related, and obvs not about transness or a trans woman, but since you were looking into Dylan's career, I thought I'd take the opportunity to bring it up
(Idr if links work in the comments, but if you'd like here is a link to it, it's available for free on TH-cam th-cam.com/video/bcYzYiVDIlg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ja-ir8DYYTfIVSlE )
*Edit, I am returning because I was wrong about a couple things, still a very beautiful short film, I just misremembered some things
I was hoping someone would bring this short film up!! I remember watching it when I came out but couldn’t remember what it was called!! I think a lot of people here would like it
I’m gonna have to watch this after work, thanks!
The sequel, Suite Life on Deck, also had a "trans episode" - in episode 1 there's a character, Bailey, who's a girl but pretends she's a guy because all the girl spots at the boat school Zack and Cody go to are taken and she dresses and pretend to be a boy and is also paired with Zack as a roommates. I feel like this one is closer to She's The Man, it has a similar gag with Zack finding Bailey's bikini top and her saying it's her "girlfriend's" (it's actually hers)
Also the later Beauty pageant episode calls both to that And This episode with Cody stating he was in a Beauty before.
Unrelated, but my sights were set so low for trans representation when I was a teen that I remember loving the Bones episode that had a murdered trans woman in it...
Just because she wasn't a sex worker and she wasn't murdered *for being* trans... that was it.
Even though she was just a corpse and the entire point of her being trans was just a set up for a joke where the bone-scientists were such bone-nerds that they concluded that she was a man because of the shape of her bones before even noticing she had a vulva.
You made me curious and I'm watching the episode now. "The He in the She", season 4 episode 7, 2008
The bone doctor (who is autistic coded and keeps throwing out interesting facts literally didn't notice her crotch lol)
Ngl, I like how the detectives are looking for information about this mystery woman and trying to figure out why she doesn't have a past... and it turns out she's trans and moved.
That's genuinely a clever and original explanation for a identity mystery. They assume she's in witness protection or something "Officially she didn't exist before 5 years ago". Because she's trans! Clever use of a trans character!
And the characters in the show are... actually respectful... in context/the time I guess? They jumble with the pronouns but they're trying their best. I think it's sweet when people are trying to get the correct pronouns. I'm amused by those types of moments. Multiple people get angry and defend her whenever someone says "not a real woman"! They assume the murder is transphobically motivated, but nope, it's not! Woo. I don't think anyone's transphobic in this episode except for one character who's in one scene? The furthest is when the cop is going "bad cop" at a suspect...but it's hinted that he was acting.
I would say it's pro-trans even. (In context, It's a murder show, there's not many ways to have a prominent guest character without them being a corpse)
The episode is more about how televangelists suck and small pastors who welcome everyone are nice than about being trans.
FOR A TRANS MURDER VICTIM this episode was actually really nice. I actually really enjoyed that. Thank you! (I admit I am a glass half full type person when it comes to representation tho)
💙💗🤍💗💙
Yeah, there was definitely some not okay aspects to that episode but there are some things they did decently well with (as HotDog's comment details). There's also the Bones episode where a Japanese scientist comes from Japan to help solve a murder and the crew spend the whole episode trying to figure out what's in the person's pants (Season 4's “The Girl in the Mask”-episode 23). I rewatched it a while ago and it was incredibly uncomfortable to watch.
bones are an important part of forensics, if the bone structure is that of a mans, (smaller pelvis and stuff) then that murdered person was a man. We can't ignore basic biology when it comes to solving a murderer.
@@creepykidandinfinitedreams2987 the joke on the show was that the bone-scientists were so hyperfixated on bones that they noticed the difference in bone structure*before* noticing the vulva and had to have the vulva pointed out to them (the victim wasn't skeletal and was intact.)
Difference in bone size/shapes between the genders are more generalities, rather than rules, and there's a huge overlap, so scientists and forensic experts are often mistaken in interpreting the sex of corpses via their bones, and proven wrong later by other evidence such as DNA.
And yes, if the bone is much more likely to belong to a male, that fact can be important to a murder investigation and shouldn't be ignored, but trans women exist. And so even of a bone is proven to 100% definitely belong to a male... you still can't tell if the owner's gender was 'man' from just that.
@@Aranlia When I was looking for more information on the trans episode, some people mentioned the japanese nonbinary episode and that it's bad. I didn't check it out.
Going into this video fondly remembering the boys' mom as a queen only to see the "Thank goodness" scene. My childhood was a lie.
It’s not her fault she doesn’t want her kid to pretend to be something he’s not.
I was gonna pretend she was relieved Zack wasn't being gross. Like smelling a girl's clothes or something. BUT he's performing on stage, not hiding under the bed or in a dark room or anything. Transphobia is kinda the only way to look at it, huh? Unfortunate. Kind of expected from 2005 but still unfortunate.
@@creepyartic290why are you choosing to click on a trans creator's video on trans tv episodes and choosing to be transphobic? Just move on with your day buddy, if you don't like trans people then don't go into spaces with trans people, you don't have to be that obsessed with us
If it makes you feel better, Kim Rhodes (who played the mom) has since come out and apologized for that line because she has learned it was hurtful and unsupportive.
I think it might be neat if you checked out the Spongebob episode "That's No Lady," in which a misunderstanding causes Patrick to believe his life is in danger, so Spongebob and Patrick disguise him as a woman.
You could also look at "Rock-A-Bye Bivalve" for an episode in which Spongebob and Patrick need to take care of a baby scallop and Spongebob takes the "mom" role quite naturally, even presenting fem for most of the episode, and it's not seen as "wrong" or "weird" by anybody. This facet of the episode is probably a reference to how real-life sea sponges are hermaphrodites (possessing both male and female genitalia), a fact which was certainly known to Stephen Hillenburg (the late Spongebob creator and marine biologist).
Also, and this is a small point, but there's an episode ("The Slumber Party") which has a one-minute scene where a girl named Girly Teengirl arrives at Pearl's slumber party. Because she looks exactly like Spongebob and is also voiced by Tom Kenny, not only do the other girls kick her out of the party (thinking she's Spongebob in disguise), but many fans have headcanoned her as trans.
In Rockabye Bivalve there's a joke that could be seen as a little homophobic-adjacent, until they shrug it off and move on. The two fish have a thought bubble like 🧽 + ⭐️ = 🐚?
Sorry, I did my best with the emojis lol
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I'd say that's just them not being able to fathom the idea of an adopted child lol
Fun fact, Rock a bye Bivalve is the episode where the "uhhhh..." narrator transition comes from.
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I remember that lol
@@Nakia11798 Seriously? The joke isn't "how can two males have a baby?", it's "how does a sponge and a starfish make a clam?". It's right there, in the emojis.
For the thing about Maddie being jealous I should note Maddie is usually portrayed as "the smart one" though since this was the second episode things might not've been set in place yet
What bothers me is that she is obviously supposed to be feeling that "I should be cute" feeling that we get without any dialog about how that's not the healthiest mindset. Like, it's just like "booo, your bitter cause you didn't win" when it should be more about how the whole concept is warped and morally corrupt. Maybe too heavy for a kids show, but then why include it at all?
Well even though she’s smart doesn’t mean she’s not aware she is judged for her looks and could care about that
My favourite thing about "gender bender" episodes is how the character doing the gender bending ALWAYS completely change their personality.
Cody is like the lawful good, sweet kid who does his homework and is super smart. While Zack is the athletic one. Then the second he is dressed as a girl he is like "I'm gonna be a hockey player." While being way more macho than he is loll.
'I did it so we could win money for bikes'
'... oh thank god.'
That line made my jaw hit the floor when i heard it for the first time a few months ago, and im not even trans!
She doesn’t want her son to pretend to be something he’s not. It’s good on the mom for trying to protect her kids.
Hearing "20 years ago" about suite life really makes me feel old. I feel like a millennial.
I always read the mom's "Oh thank goodness" as being relieved he wasn't doing it to sneak into the dressing room
As a kid I think I saw it more as a wlw episode, it reminded me of myself trying to appear/act more feminine for my female friends.
I'm a trans masc millenial and this was one of my favorite shows. I remember it well. Thank you for this analysis. I would love for you to do a video on the portrayal of Umbridge in Starkid's "A Very Potter Sequel." I think it's really interesting because, to me, the joke isn't "haha man in a dress" but more about how ideas of what a man should be and what a women should be negatively affects gender noncomforming cis people as well. Kind of like this episode.
I love the Starkid Harry Potter musicals. They're the only Harry Potter media I enjoy now.
SAME THO, I LOVED THIS SHOW AS A KID
OMG, STARKIDS!!! They are a treasure, honestly, I adored their portrayal of jks work before all this hit the fan and now? I tell everyone who's every loved Harry Potter to watch it, it's satirical in the absolute best possible sense. I, a trans man, didn't mind Umbridge so much, and her song "Remeber that time?" Gets stuck in my head often. I think it's parodying the concept of fem vs masc and how we can encompass those traits while identifying in the opposite gender. It's fun.
I’m a transwoman(now, I wasn’t watching this show) and I never really liked it. The humor didn’t land for me and I thought the twins’ personalities were kind of grating. 😬
I’ve never seen Starkid’s Harry Potter but I wouldn’t mind seeing it covered.
@@Sophia-vk5bq Any starkids content is pretty good. Just look up starkids on yt. They've done many fully produced plays on lots of media throughout the years, superheros, Disney, Harry Potter, just a fun satirical threatre group. :)
Here’s the thing: as a late bloomer lesbian, I cannot even tell you how many times my “intense female friendships” included the phrase “I’d date/kiss/love you if you were a boy” on my end.
The *image of Cody* - 1; *lesbian flag* - 0 bit got a good laugh out of me
I know it's a sci-fi show, and it deals with an alien, but Lloyd in Space's episode about what was basically a non-binary kid was cool even if at the time I had no clue about what that was or knew I was non-binary. For better context, the whole cast is basically aliens but they are more or less human in how they behave. I also liked how the show really showed off how much pressure people will put on you to adhere to a certain gender expression or identity. Or when they want to be supportive, they might over correct albeit with their heart in the right place.
I have watched a ridiculous amount of videos on your channel, you make great stuff. It's sharp, analytical, and yet still somehow comfortable and measured. You also have a great sense of humor. I'm happy to have found your stuff.
I met Dylan Sprouse when I was 16. My friend’s step dad and him went to the same Heathen church on Long Island while Dylan went to NYU and my friend and I tagged along to one of their get togethers. We did some archery, drank mead out of a horn, and talked for a while. He was a super nice guy and really down to Earth. It was definitely a unique experience to have with your childhood TV crush.
Hey lily
I saw this episode as a kid, and a lot of other gender-swap episodes and movies. I had a facination with them and I used to have vivid dreams of suddenly being a girl (I was asaigned as male) but whenever I talked about this I was met with ridicule and laughter. It wasn't until I was 18 when a friend of mine wanted to put makeup on me and I saw the result, that I understood. I nearly cried when I was complimented and finally felt like I knew what I was for the first time in my life. After some research I discovered that what I felt was genderfluid, but due to my dad I'm still not too open about it. All my closest friends know and accept it, and when I changed my name, I got a call from dad. He didn't say much, but it waa clear that he thought it was weird. That was earlier this year
Ayy, a fellow genderfluid person!
I remember watching this episode as a child and being fascinated by the sapphic flirting. A lot of these gender swap kid shows have the male character dress as a girl and at some point flirt with their crush as a girl. It was this one and the Timmy one where he flirts with Trixie as a girl that were rather eye opening to me for unknown reasons at the time.
When the mom said "oh thank goodness" my first thought was that she thought Zack was in a skirt for... a creepier version of Cody's reason, let's just put it like that lol.
Genderswaps actually helped me realise I was trans in a “reverse-psychology” kind of way. I mostly saw MTF genderswapping and really didn’t like it, especially when reading. I realised that a major reason why was because I wanted to do the opposite (I’m transmasc) So seeing someone be forced into femininity made me stressed. 😅
Theres an episode of the Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack about gender dysphoria. I dont know if it would count as trans but the episode deals with someone being misgendered a lot and their struggle to be seen as the gender they know they are.
Speaking of the world being a weird and fun place involving Suite Life actors, Brenda Song actually continued for a long time on several Disney-related programs with her most recent being the main character in the widely popular animated series Amphibia (it's an isekai essentially, she's played a teenager from a proudly thai family, Brenda herself is also thai; it was a fun show), and is married to Macauley Culkin, the guy who played the kid from the first two Home Alone movies (there's like six or so, one was fairly recent). I'm not knocking on either of them, good for them, I just think it's a neat kind of whiplash.
I forgot she married him
Omg, she's married to Kevin?
oh wow her being married to him is news to me. good for them!
honestly i would love to see you cover the trans my little pony: friendship is magic episode. yes i'm so serious. it's episode 17 of season 5, and it's called brotherhooves social. it's.... interesting
This whole era of Nick/Disney tricked me into thinking there was something inherently wrong about crossdressing. There was no media at the time that portrayed a crossdresser in a positive way. Why couldn't we have just one male character that wore a dress because they wanted to?
When I was a kid and saw all these genderswaps on tv, I sort of thought it was a moralizing thing about having empathy for people who are diffrent from us, by seeing an example of someone having to navigate the world of someone else. But it never annoyed me because I was very fascinated by the concept of gender being arbirary, and what do you know! Im non-binary! lol
You can’t be non-binary lol. We’re all born with a gender/sex.
Even though I haven't watched Suite Life in years, I remember this show a little too well lol
It's fun seeing these actors so little again (I have the inverse issue that seeing them as adults feels weird but nostalgic, and makes me feel old even though I'm slightly younger than them)
It is a shame the show didn't try to do more with the episode, even just a little bit. Kids entertainment doesn't have to be just mostly pointless entertainment
Absolutely agree. The formulaic format could add some small things to be more believable and relatable, rather than leaning on stereotypes that are not sustained.
There was this show called Too Loud while often getting a lot of flack for being compared the The Loud House, they actually do one of these episodes in a very creative way. One of the characters tries sneaking in to a slumber party by dressing as a girl, only for them to realize that they actually like themself as a girl. This is supposed to be a canon change in the show dispirited being aired out of order.
her saying "actussy" activated something primal inside me 😭😭
aw hell yeah perks of a non existent sleep schedule, its half past 3 in the morning and i see a lily upload - sleep can wait
The man filming the contest in the audience is hopefully one of the girls' father. It's not unusual for parents to film many activities their children participate in.
did anyone notice that the "mystery girl" rebecca is actually victoria justice
I’d love if you checked out Ugly Betty, a popular 2006 Americanized telenovela following the people running a fashion magazine. There is a trans woman introduced as a major character during Season 1 (she competes with the protagonist’s boss to become editor-in-chief.)
Ugh this channel and your videos bring me an inordinate amount of happiness 🎉
You're right and should say it, he DOES put his whole actussy into it
totally unrelated, but at 9:40 when i saw the promo for "The Buzz on Maggie" i feel like it just unlocked so many memories of random 2000s shows that only got like a season or 2. (Dave the Barbarian, Teamo Supremo, Brandy and Mr. Whiskers...there were a lot)
IIRC Skyr you get outside of Iceland is not real Skyr, it's just some kind of yogurt/quark mix stuff
The cultures used in making skyr cannot be transported out of Iceland. I'm not sure if that's a legal thing or logistical and they just die on the transport
Is the fake skyr almost identical to real skyr and it's merely inauthentic, like how champagne made outside of champagne, France, doesn't count. Or is it totally a different product.
Just taking a moment to appreciate how much work you put into the storytelling/theory side of TV/Film production
That girl he was crushing on looked familiar so I checked and it's Victoria Justice in an early role in her career
I’m glad I don’t have to be haunted by this episode anymore because I’ve been waiting for it since the community note
Speaking of writer's going out of their way to have kids in kids shows gender swap, you should do a video Wizards of Waverly Place's whole Maxine thing.
I admit my reaction was "thank God" as well for the $2000 as well because I was really worried it was going to be to go undercover as girls to be creepy so maybe that's where the mom was coming from at the end (albeit, probably not since there were jokes at the expense of 'oh ha ha girls') because otherwise, yea - wtf, mum? And the flirtation between Rebecca was absolutely adorable.
It really, really shows how messed up it is to groom children to be "girlfriends and boyfriends!" from such a young age. They can't ever just be kids interacting with each other. Add onto that the 'your only value is being pretty' this young - and good goddamn. I hope everyone gets the therapy they deserve, and found family because their blood family are terrible.
Alright, a new Lilly Simpson video to walk home too.
Zack and Cody has always had the best swear replacements. My favorite was a nun (the older blonde girl goes to a catholic school) was holding a plate of sugar cookies and gets scared and yells “holy S-ugar cookies”
How did I go this whole time without recognizing that Jughead was Cole Sprouse. I think like 95% of my mental pictures of those twins is their hair.
I'd love to see a video about She's The Man. I'm still kinda obsessed with how that movie made me feel growing up. This idea of being "not a girl" in high school and doing things that I felt I was unable to do because of that. The relationship between Viola and the guy and the girl was part of my bi awakening tbh. This movie was also my genderfluid awakening, wishing I could just swap my gender at will and pull it off.
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Omg, there is a video already!!!
She only pretended to be a man so she could play soccer. Don’t be sexist and say woman can’t do things man can unless they transition. That’s the whole point of the movie, of Viola proving that she can do things man can, and doesn’t have to dress up to do those things.
When there is a single they/them, I personally say themself rather than themselves. For example, "They are over there sitting by themself."
I agree with this
I do also use this word
It feels most correct
21:11 she's actually done a video on the clock app where she apologized for that line.
I used to be in a pageant, they aren't all bad. Mine had big dresses, REGULAR outfits and winners with crowns. It really helped with my confidence so yeah, some pageants are horrible just like some dance studios but not all are.
dylan’s been IN with big yogurt since the beginning
Taking a break from the ten hour harry potter video to watch this one👍 my life has become lily simpson videos
I always enjoy a Lily Simpson video. I love her voice! Her words and phrasing really express and explore ideas in interesting and thoughtful ways! ❤ I wonder how much of the script is actually written out, how much is bullet points, but yeah. So much respect to her for the simplicity of form in her content. It's the opposite of gimmicky. Branding or not lol❤
I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR THE PRONOUN! I COULDN'T FIND IT
@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper oh! They use she and they. Lily said so in a video once. Idk which one it is anymore. One of the more recent ones so I feel like we're up to date
This episode was one of my first "egg-cracking" moments, at least from media. It was this, the episode of Fairly Odd Parents where Timmy wishes he was a girl, and the episode of Jimmy Neutron where Jimmy and Cindy swap bodies.
Those were my favorite episodes of those shows, and I didn't understand why until I was a teenager lol.
Seeing Cole Sprouse and Terry Crews together just reminds me of how Kevin James and Mick Foley went to High School together.
"These two seperate people from two separate genres of life are here, together, in a completely separate third thing in a way I'd never expected."
Somehow watching this and the family guy Episodes multiples times before the age of 13 didn’t completely corrupt me mind
I know, right? We are the lucky ones.
Gender swap stories are always fun for me to look back at even if they’re bad because they’re what made me start questioning my own gender
“Hmm I should girl?” is actually next level, amazing 💙
I am committed to your brand, too!! Keep up the great work, Lily! Even when you discuss media I haven't seen ahead of time I enjoy the in depth analysis and well edited writing!! I admittedly don't watch actively as much as I should but I still enjoy listening to your analysis even when it's media I don't know about ahead of time at all (like this video's topic) - thanks for staying on brand ^.^
It's stuff like this that makes me appreciate shit like Star Vs and Steven Universe - in the former, Marco goes undercover as a princess at the princess finishing school and his femme identity takes on it's own thing and whenever interacting with them they're in the femme outfit because that's how they know Marco. They are fully aware of the Truth, but Marco's time with them is always as his (as he is a cis male, just not afraid to be femme when needed) princess form, which is cool.
Similarly Steven Universe is quite comforable in outfits correlated to the other gender, as when he takes to the stage in Sadie's outfit in Sadies song the other characters are just like "Of COURSE the mystery girl is Steven, the whole thing had him written all over it..." Also he spends an entire arc on the Gem Homeworld in a version of his mother's outfit to make a point.
I watched this episode the other day when i decided to binge suit life of zack and cody, and honestly... My gay child past self never felt more represented... And i laughed SO FUCKING HARD when their mom said "Zack? Why are you wearing a skirt?" "I did it so we can win money for bikes..." and she replies "Oh thank goodness...". Like i shouldn't think it's that hilarious, but i just can't help it.
THIS IS SO BIZZARE BC I WAS THE SAME AGE WHEN THESE CAME OUT AND NOW LOOKING BACK THEY'RE BABIES. 😭😭
that yogurt u mentioned is funny cuz I got a bunch of that brand from the food bank today lol
I feel like I remember another quick one from Suite Life On Deck. Similar premise, a bunch of pretty girls (maybe all twins or something??)show up on the ship, and at some point (maybe at the very end) there’s a bit where one of the boys dresses up as a girl to try and hang out with them. I really can’t remember a ton but I think that’s when those two English twins who were in the shitty legally blonde sequel were introduced/reintroduced into the show. Wow this comment makes no fucking sense because I can’t remember shit oh well.
I would request a South Park episode but I feel like that could be a whole 10-hour video 😂
Cartman did that enough times (or I saw the same episode so many times) that I came to the conclusion that he'll forever be deep in a closet of some variety. Kenny has transbian vibes
The youtuber Keyan Carlisle did a deep dive on this show and pointed out that in the first episode of this show, Moseby mentions how much a room at the Tipton costs and the prize money for the pageant in this episode barely even covers a single night there. So...uh...
The whole gender binary thing is confusing and hurtful. I came out to a councillor as genderfluid, which is how I felt at the time, and she asked me what I did that was overly masculine or feminine. She let me think it over until our next meeting and I couldn't think of any specific ideas. This councillor also was against the whole idea of animals having sentient thought, which I believe they do.
i watched this show a lot when i was little bc of just being around the same age as the twins there was that kind of relatability and i think that this episode was probably a repressed memory for me bc of how much "gentle nudging" away from anything outside gender norms i had as a kid, i remember getting made him of for liking the my little ponies that me and my sister played with growing up and that just came back to me last night when i saw a video about this old pony computer game my sister had gotten and i played a lot. i wonder about what other repressed memories i have tbh
Can you please do the wizards of waverly place storyline of Max being transformed into a girl
As a transperson I would be relieved to find out my kid wasn't trans purely on the fact that it's expensive
There was an animated kids show i remember discovering because Rich Evans from RedLetterMedia guest starred in a few eps of it. It's on TH-cam and it's called Too Loud. not exactly an amazing show and its pretty annoying overall but the episode "Slumber Party Sneak-In" has one of the best messages for trans and gnc kids I've ever seen and i was floored by how mature it was. Definitely a recommend for a series like this
My favorite gender swap kind of episode is in Jonny test when he goes to a alternate dimension and falls in love with the female version of himself
So this is one of those episodes that probably lives rent free in my brain somewhere...
Man, I remember how late-00s gay communities would try to find alternate ways to read reactions like the mother's relief that it was a ploy for money. For instance, "oh she's not anti gay/trans but just wasn't ready for that discussion especially in public" and so on. Because, as you say, nothing better was even remotely available. It's weird to look back on it now, and see so clearly the obvious intended message.
Did I hear Riverdale being a guilty pleasure? I am currently on my 3rd whole rewatch, each time with a different group, and seeing the life leave their eyes, and their minds getting blown by stupidity, the continuous questions of „Why“ and „How“ that never should be asked because we all know the authors made everything up the day it was shot. It gives me life. Talking about riverdale, especially the events of season 6, just is always such a delight. Riverdale episode, please!
I don't think I made it all the way through season 2. And I remember being so pissed about CAOS going the direction it did by the end. Especially so because that's where I got my name.a
maybe a bit weird of a suggestion, but the first episode of drake and josh features josh dressing as a girl in order to “get into character” for writing his advice column where his pseudonym is a girl. and this is a thing he’s done regularly (we can assume) until drake finds out he does it
Oooo if you’re looking for trans/gender swap episode to talk about, you should watch Ozzy and Drix’s two part episode ‘Out of Body Experience’! I’d love to hear your thoughts on it because, while it’s a standard ‘boys vs girls’ and ‘boy is scared to be seen as feminine’ episode, it was my trans awakening as a feminine trans man. There’s also like… a ton of crossdressing in the whole show. Osmosis Jones (the movie it’s based off) is my comfort movie and the franchise as a whole is my special interest so I’m always wanting to hear people’s thoughts on it 😅 I’ve been binging your trans videos and love how you voice concerns over what some of those episodes can do to people’s reactions to trans people. I dont really think about impact sometimes when I watch shows so I’m getting a sharper look at these episodes 💕
I remember being traumatized as a kid by the random time they took his crossdressing far enough to do a wholeass mpreg episode lol
Not like I mean a trans man having kids is scary, it's just that the episode ended with the baby being revealed to be an evil virus parasite and horrifyingly wearing Ozzy as a skin suit and bursting out. Jesus Christ who thought that was okay...
It was like actually kinda legit sweet at the start with him just being 100% down with being a mom and excited for the kid that ended up trying to kill him. I felt so sorry for him!
I loved that show, and it was a special interest for me, too, when I was a kid. Would love to see that episode get discussed, even though it was very much a product of its time.
Desperately needed to finish an art commission today, fantastic timing. I love listening to your videos while making art. (Though I do regret missing out on your funny edits while I'm not looking at the screen lmao)
Can't wait to see if you had to mute all the clips from the show again
I swear, a lot of your videos basically have me going
"wait, they had one?"