really just boils down to someone breaking the rules right in front of us and nothing happens to them. Same reason we dont like to see botting. It's not that it affects you that there are 100 bots on the oak tree you aren't chopping. But it just doesn't feel like the game is under control or enforcing it's own rules
Rules in video games are pointless. It's a fake fantasy world, let people do what they want. Freedom to do as they please to escape reality. That's what gaming is about.
It took me a month to finally get my cape. But it was all worth it for the satisfaction of getting it myself. I suggest everyone take the time to get it themselves as it will be so much more rewarding.
You gave me a GL at the Mor-ul-Rek bank just yesterday. I feel the exact same way, I want the satisfaction of getting the cape myself, the max hit / fashionscape are secondary.
Idk, some people are so weird about having an inferno cape for raid teams. And also having extra dps at many bosses, like Corp masses especially. Makes a huge difference, if I didn’t have my infernal, I wouldn’t have gotten half of my Corp kc
I have friends that I know have the skill to complete inferno and bought their capes anyway lol. Idk why you'd rob yourself of the satisfaction of obtaining your first infernal cape. I completed my first inferno last year in just 11 attempts, some luck was involved of course, but there's also so many guides and resources out there nowadays there's really no excuse, anyone can do it with some practice.
@@Bahp12 that's an even worse excuse to buy one if you're capable of doing it yourself and already spent the majority of the "learning" supplies on your main lmfao
bro that sentence killed me:"the essence of life is overcoming hurdles, maybe that hurdle is finding somone to do inferno for u" l000000000000000000000000l good shit
If that is "good shit" and you find it funny, perhaps expand your horizons and obtain a new sense of humor, or you may be lonely for a long time coming.
Yes, it's sad to pay bank and risk your account for something you don't deserve. You can do inferno with like 200m in gear now that bowfa and other newer gear is a thing, and it only takes a couple weeks and a bit of dedication to grind out. Also: 1- you rob yourself of the satisfaction of beating something hard, the skills you gain along the way, the best slayer task in the game (maybe this one is subjective but still) 2- if my duo partner has inferno and fang kit I like to think they're competent, and it's a huge disappointment when it turns out they're actually useless 3- it's just sad to pretend to be good when you're not
it also ruins the experience as the majority of players just assume you bought the cape, if you only have 1kc then youll get called out and mass reported at group content. saw it happen alot on 99shooting starts and forestry. people Gz others when they see you have a cool pet, the inferno cape should have a similar effectin game but it really dosn't becasue of bought capes ruining the experience.
Most adults do not care about the crimes of the rest of the players in an mmo rpg, those who suffer from this are simple children with autism problems.
If we're ok with buying infernals then we should be ok with botting and buying any other achievement that comes out, and pvp clients and pvm clients. Where do we draw the line? Are the jagex rules just a suggestion?
I'm a 2200+ player who has been playing on and off since 2013 on OSRS. Learning the inferno this past year has been one of the most rewarding things I've completed in the game. It feels so good, but around attempt ~30 I seriously considered buying the cape, but I persisted and I am so glad I did. It completely got me out of my comfort zone :)
I will never understand people who buy things like the infernal cape or blorva. If you do that, you're cheating away one of the better achievements in osrs and cheating yourself (just my take). The satisfaction that you feel when you finish infernal, blorva, or both, for the first time is something I would never take away. Plus, you become a better pvmer and your skill ceiling gets raised.
An issue was that some groups required an inferno, some even an inferno before an x timer. Then cape buyers just make it impossible for others to join.
If it wasn’t possible for people to buy capes/have someone else do it for them then every person with an inferno cape would be respected more as people know for certain they earned it. I’ve been accused too many times of buying mine when I actually put in the effort to learn and do it myself.
but doesnt this boil down to the issue? why do people care what other people do? the inferno sure is a rare piece of content if you take away cape buyers. but its not rare enough to be looked at as a being respected piece of content. examples of that is zuk helm, and even that is not getting THAT much attention. even though thats miles ahead of an inferno cape. dont get me wrong, i admire infernal capers that got it themselves, and the grind behind it. but i dont think this is the right way to look at it. it should be an achievement for you, not for other players. because at the end most people simply dont care.
@@einarerkul123456 These are the same people that go around reporting regular players as bots so that some of them get caught up in a false ban. I know 100% that the cheat detection system only evaluates a player profile if it has been reported.
Most adults do not care about the crimes of the rest of the players in an mmo rpg, those who suffer from this are simple children with autism problems.
The problem is that you want validation and “respect” (lol) from random people. Who cares. Enjoy the satisfaction of besting a difficult task. Then continue. Life goes on. It’s a video game.
i really dont care for the game's integrity and bought my first cape, then i realised i wanted the pet and had to actually learn it so i didnt end up buying a virtual follower for thousands of dollars lmao
@@mitchel2443 i mean you can prolly look on sythe and find something, but the aim of that comment was to say while buying your cape is fine, youre gonna have to learn it eventually. Ive saved $1125 from learning it after the first cape and not buying all 16kc ive done since
@@mitchel2443 I just had a guy do it locally, so I knew where he lived.. You properly have a FB group or something that is local to you, where people do inferno capes
90% of these people saying they felt so rewarded getting their own infernal cape still RWT for gold to buy the gear to do it at their skill level. This is the same exact gripe a lot of ironmen have with normal account players.
There's game integrity and security as core values we would sacrifice if starting to accept account services. If everything is free, there's no progression. no grind, no pride, no integrity, when you look at another person with a sweet item you'd like to think, oh that's a nice item, good for them for persevering and you can aspire to do the same. Someone else doing it for you erodes a big part of why we don't just play single player games, we want to see what others do and compare ourselves to them. Then there's secure practises. I don't think anyone thinks it's good to have it part of the culture to let other people in control of your account or computer. Someone enjoying themselves a little better for wearing a shiny cape seems quite small compared to the cons. And afterall, the joy is shortlived if you don't have the memory of the struggle of getting that item. Unfulfilled, maybe thinking of the next item to buy. I don't think we should start accepting account services, the pro's not worth the cons and risk. (I don't encourage flaming other people either, that's not a solution)
I'm curious if you would be ok with an NPC standing outside the inferno pit with a big [$200 = infernal cape] sign. Or a simple 99 dollar for a 99 skill scheme. It's not an odd or controversial opinion in modern gaming. In most games your avenue of personal achievement is how much you swipe your creditcard. But part of what makes old school actually old school. It's that it's actually about your personal achievement and what you have actually worked towards. And personally buying capes, gms, blorva just majorly devalues the game itself. But hey that's my opinion
Getting spoon fed fake achievements like buying blorva or an infernal cape is just sad. I can understand paying for a cosmetic upgrade, but most people that pay for an infernal cape or blorva don't buy them for the aesthetic, even if it's a contributing factor, most people pay for the bragging rights or the idea of the achievement. I know because it's the same crowd that pays for ranked boosts in esport games and I'm a former booster in LoL. If you just buy fake achievements from someone else, you probably don't know the satisfaction of accomplishing things on your own otherwise why would you rob yourself? Aside from how I feel about why someone might purchase a cape, it also just infuriates me that so many people simply believe that rules don't apply to them. Some rules are genuinely stupid, I can understand that to an extent. However, it's like people speeding on the road and swerving in between traffic and doing genuinely dangerous things for themselves and those around them that make me angry and why I believe that people should follow the rules when reasonable, instead of believing that rules should only apply to everyone else. And let's be honest, not buying a cape, or anything else that requires someone else play your account, are reasonable rules to follow.
This is the same as saying "are bot users an issue?" and the answer is yes. Obviously you could use the argument of: 'well as long as you use in-game transactions its not against ToS' but I guarantee you that most people (if not every single one) that 'buys' an infernal cape does so using RMT which is against ToS. For most people that I know its not that they are so jealous of Infernal Capes that it upsets them, it just enforces the feeling that breaking ToS is the standard thing to do and even encouraged (even if it actually isn't). That perception just makes this aspect of the game feel bad. Also to your question of "does someone else having an infernal cape effect you?" I will answer yes. Infernal capes have become a gold standard for some raiding groups that will simply not allow you to join them without one, hell I was even seeing this elitism in leagues recently at HM ToB which is ridiculous. When something is seen as "easy" to acquire (swiping your wallet isn't mechanically difficult to do) its assumed that everyone *should* just do it and therefor if you don't have it done you shouldn't be allowed to participate in specific content. To be fair that has more to do with how absolutely gate keepy the vast majority of the higher level community of OSRS is, but it still is a factor worth considering. Just because you personally don't feel that way doesn't mean it doesn't effect others.
Back in 2021 I believe, Jagex released a stat that said something around of the 50k players who had a cape maybe 8-10k of them were legitimate. This was based on the number of removed capes and amount of first-kc times that were extremely faster than normal. It was thought back in 2018 that 90% of the capes were bought out of ~13k capes.
That's awesome and you should be proud of your accomplishments. On the flip side, many of us play games to relax, especially in a game like runescape. The last thing I want to do after work is to sweat for hours in front of a screen for a virtual reward that ultimately means nothing to me.
@@Twittchyy Why would I care about being "bad" in a video game? I don't play games to try to prove something to myself or others. As I said, it's a recreational relaxation tool for me. If you're looking for something to improve, try looking outside.
thats the most stupid take i ever heard. apart from puting your account at risk when buying a cape and forever living with the shame of knowing you couldnt do it by yourself, it harms the games integrity big time. encouraging people to buy a cape because of peer pressure does not even count as an opinion, thats something a 14 year old would say
you are justifying and explaining people buy capes because it looks bad ass? That's a half baked farce. It's called rules, integrity, morals, and people who purchase those capes lack that. If they need a cape that "looks good" to have a good time on runescape, then they should seek a new game for graphics, maybe rs3 120 capes, based off that logic.
@@Reporting_U it really doesn’t affect you at all. Someone else buying a cape doesn’t make your personal achievement any less valid. If you earned it legitimately, then you know you put in the work, and that’s what matters. Let others play how they want, it’s a game, not a competition for morality
Gave up on this when every 1 def pking build pure in game had an inferno and Jagex didn’t action. It’s far too late for them to be meaningful about enforcement.
i got my infernal cape like 2 days ago. it did feel great, i don't know if it'd feel better than getting a mega rare though. but putting in all that effort to learn the content in a week and then getting the coolest looking cape in the game as a reward feels great. don't care much if someone bought their cape, am just happy knowing i got my cape and can get another one easily.
@@indarkment01 oh aatykon, gnomonkey and the resources at we do raids helped a lot. a lot of people get their capes pretty fast now thanks to them. and i sure hope so lol, ty.
The big problem is that guy who bought the infernal cape is the same guy who talks shit to everyone and now brags he has one. I recently got a 56 min inferno pb and there's nothing better than getting a pb or another kc. At the same time, yeah it doesn't effect you but imo what's the point of these challenges of inferno or blood torva if you're just going to buy it? I just don't see the point.
Yesterday I grinded out to 70 runecrafting and accomplished 2 things; 1. Got all my stats to base 70. 2. Total level of 1750. Was I efficient? No. Am I good? Well probably not. Havent done bossing yet. The goal for now is questcape. After that - Ill find ways to make mad money with bosses. At some point ill be good enough to get an infernal cape, and the quiver. Right now thats beyond my capability when I took 3 attempts to get the firecape.
My honest opinion on services is idc too much as long as it doesnt negatively impact another person such as scripts and botting. If someone pays for a fang leech or ca leechs nobody judges them, honestly the same thing.
I'm a simple man, I see an Indarkment video, I click it I do agree though, at the end of the day it is a game. I don't have issues with people who buy capes personally. I went out of my way to learn and complete it myself as I knew when I finally got it, the amount of value I would put on it, along with how much you learn in there. Got my cape 2 weeks ago and I've never felt so motivated / confident to try new content. 10/10 as always
Reasons why I bought my cape: I am a dad, working 40 hours aweek and I could never have the time to dedicate into learning a cape.. But having to pay around $100 for my cape and quiver, was the most time efficient decision by far.. I just couldnt justify spending maybe 100+ hours at Inferno, while I could be with my kid or working.. I know I didnt earn the cape and quiver, but honestly I dont really care, end of the day it's pixels and it made my raids/bossing a tad faster.
I think ppl get mad bout cape buyers because they mostly suck at other team content. Not doing the inferno by themselves puts them in a very weak situation regarding to their game knowledge and mechanics, and this usually translate in bad raid teammates.
A big draw to osrs for me, and what makes the game feel worth playing long term, is that there are very few pay to win elements (and virtually none as an ironman). I personally am against account services and account sharing of any kind (even if it is technically allowed). I'm not going to play batman or anything stupid like that by making it my job to take action against these things, but players who compromise in buying achievements will compromise in other areas too. But yah... if you want to pay to win there are plenty of games out there where you can do just that. I hope OSRS never falls into that category of games. 🤷♂
I like your comment dude, the pay to win aspect being absent in this game is nice! Dont think many players buy bonds for gp with the cost, but buying gp is kinda ehhh in my opinion
Been eating glue in the inferno doing 1-2 attempts per day. Its such a massive time sink. Totally see why people buy it to do more enjoyable content and just move on.
Yep, my whole reasoning for buying it.. Inferno is a time sink, that once you learn it, most likely will never redo.. Paid $100 for infernal and quiver, I cannot justify spending 100+ hours learning both for that.
alot of people dont have thousands of hours to sink into this game just to learn how to get a single cape and they dont affect the economy in any way so i dont really care if they do or dont buy it
Why do i care if people buy their inferno capes? Why dont i just play single player osrs on a private server? Because the community is what makes our accomplishments mean something, but when they can just be bought then they no longer mean anything. Infernal cape should be a sign of skill and dedication to the game, but all it means is that your mom isnt broke cuz u stole money out of her purse.
Dropping in to say I love your positivity in everything you discuss in this game. While I really don’t think you should be able to buy a cape, like you said osrs is supposed to be relaxing/fun and inferno has made me want to throw my setup out the window
i got a guy from yrs back named boomer and he bought his cape. he blocked me because i used to make fun of his fake cape, and shit 2 yrs later he got blorva gm and shit and i refuse to believe he did it himself. its just not there.
he 100% bought that shit, if you report him he will get banned for buying that many kits, jagex can tell. I reported someone that bought blorva + fang kit + inferno and they got banned within a week.
@@ohokok I bet you watch every sir pugger video, and just log in to report people regardless of if its apparent they are Botting. A broken bot, or farm is one thing, but reporting random people because they don't have their chat on or are using entity hider and didn't respond to you is another whole level of scummy. I 100% know that the evaluation system only operates on reported player accounts, You could make a bot that slicks the same exact pixels at the same exact time 16 hours a day and not get banned unless a report is filed against you. Make a level 3 f2p account and test it out, just don't gain any XP in a single skill to arouse someone to report you. I guarantee it will not get banned.
I just got my cape today! About 40 attempts. And I think it's BS that I have to get more zuk kc or hundreds of raids kc before people will stop thinking I bought it. This is cliche but it's the same reason no one like pay2win in multiplayer games, it cheapens the achievement for the people who put in the time and effort. People look at my cape and know there's like a 60% chance I didn't earn it and I think that sucks. And if you play runescape to relax and still want the badass bis cape... tough shit? Just use another cape dude, if you don't want to earn it then you don't deserve to have it.
I just dont believe this 60-90% of capes are bought claim, I think it’s just cape sellers trying to normalize so people are more likely to buy it. I personally don’t know a single person who has done it, and unless there are just an insane amount of pkers who are buying 24/7, I can’t see that estimate being real
As someone that constantly confuses fire capes and inferno cape. Isnt it just slightly different shade maybe its more apparent when your wear different gear
I've been in multiple different "big clans" on this game. In every one I've been in, at least 80% of the infernal capes in there are bought. Most of the time they have a guy in the clan that does it for them. It's extremely cringe to me to see people getting 75 minute capes on for their first KC and everyone GZ's them when it's obvious they bought it. Buying a cape should be a perm-ban no matter what so that people will be less likely to buy it, because as it currently stands you can buy a cape and the worst you're gunna get is a 2 week ban and maybe have the cape removed.
Most adults do not care about the crimes of the rest of the players in an mmo rpg, those who suffer from this are simple children with autism problems.
Yea dont buy a cape.. I tried to buy recently and paid 80$ in rsgp and got scammed and teleported. Lost all my bank I worked for since 2015 no rwt till Tried buying a cape because lost so much time on dying while trying and gp gathering everytime. Dont buy the cape and dont get near this boss it will just get you mad and quit
It’s a huge disadvantage to people that earn it the right way. Buying it is cheating and it does affect you in pvp situations. People don’t get how drastic the boost is. Fire cape you can hit a 60 with voidwaker. But a inferno cape boosts that max hit up to 75 If you don’t think that’s a big deal then you’re dumb
Ngl man this "who cares bro just do what you want" take is pretty ass, infernal and blorva are trophy unlocks for your account, they represent accolades/achievements, paying someone else hundreds of dollars to get it for you so you can show it off as your own isn't valid or chill lol, it's just kind of pathetic. It's basically the in game equivalent of stolen valor. Like ultimately it doesn't affect me but it says a lot about the person willing to do that.
I will probably end up buying the cape. This doesn't mean I won't learn inferno. I will grind inferno but I can't deal with pressure like that with severe anxiety. I also had someone do my firecape because of it a few years ago.
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really just boils down to someone breaking the rules right in front of us and nothing happens to them. Same reason we dont like to see botting. It's not that it affects you that there are 100 bots on the oak tree you aren't chopping. But it just doesn't feel like the game is under control or enforcing it's own rules
Hey, that is a pretty solid reason bro
But it’s also irrelevant what happens to others. It only effects your psyche
Rules in video games are pointless. It's a fake fantasy world, let people do what they want. Freedom to do as they please to escape reality. That's what gaming is about.
This is the same argument for pot being Illegal, and screwing over peoples lives for smoking or growing it.
half of the legit players have broken those damn jagex rules
It took me a month to finally get my cape. But it was all worth it for the satisfaction of getting it myself. I suggest everyone take the time to get it themselves as it will be so much more rewarding.
You gave me a GL at the Mor-ul-Rek bank just yesterday. I feel the exact same way, I want the satisfaction of getting the cape myself, the max hit / fashionscape are secondary.
DUDE! I was tryna find your name and add you to the video but i cut the footage, hope the run went decent and you learned something!
Idk, some people are so weird about having an inferno cape for raid teams. And also having extra dps at many bosses, like Corp masses especially. Makes a huge difference, if I didn’t have my infernal, I wouldn’t have gotten half of my Corp kc
I have friends that I know have the skill to complete inferno and bought their capes anyway lol. Idk why you'd rob yourself of the satisfaction of obtaining your first infernal cape.
I completed my first inferno last year in just 11 attempts, some luck was involved of course, but there's also so many guides and resources out there nowadays there's really no excuse, anyone can do it with some practice.
Time is of essence i dont have the time to learn that shit i do cox tob and toa
@@rtchooligan0469 Wild concept, but cox tob and toa will still be there if you take a couple week break from them to earn a bis upgrade lmao
@@rtchooligan0469 skill issue brah, just get good
I did my first cape legit in 12 zuk attempts then bought it on my iron cause I didn’t want to waste supplies then did more kc on it over the years
@@Bahp12 that's an even worse excuse to buy one if you're capable of doing it yourself and already spent the majority of the "learning" supplies on your main lmfao
bro that sentence killed me:"the essence of life is overcoming hurdles, maybe that hurdle is finding somone to do inferno for u" l000000000000000000000000l good shit
HAHHAHAAH appreciate you brother
If that is "good shit" and you find it funny, perhaps expand your horizons and obtain a new sense of humor, or you may be lonely for a long time coming.
@@heavyiron3572 didnt mean to offend you if you bought ur cape hahaha
Yes, it's sad to pay bank and risk your account for something you don't deserve. You can do inferno with like 200m in gear now that bowfa and other newer gear is a thing, and it only takes a couple weeks and a bit of dedication to grind out. Also:
1- you rob yourself of the satisfaction of beating something hard, the skills you gain along the way, the best slayer task in the game (maybe this one is subjective but still)
2- if my duo partner has inferno and fang kit I like to think they're competent, and it's a huge disappointment when it turns out they're actually useless
3- it's just sad to pretend to be good when you're not
Common W from my boy burntfish
well said
is zuk as a slayer task worth doing with bowfa? it felt really slow off task.
@@colonian83 def faster than off task, after a few kc I'm doing ~1.5hr runs (~83k xp/hr) without doing anything fancy just cleaner execution
it also ruins the experience as the majority of players just assume you bought the cape, if you only have 1kc then youll get called out and mass reported at group content. saw it happen alot on 99shooting starts and forestry. people Gz others when they see you have a cool pet, the inferno cape should have a similar effectin game but it really dosn't becasue of bought capes ruining the experience.
Most adults do not care about the crimes of the rest of the players in an mmo rpg, those who suffer from this are simple children with autism problems.
If we're ok with buying infernals then we should be ok with botting and buying any other achievement that comes out, and pvp clients and pvm clients. Where do we draw the line? Are the jagex rules just a suggestion?
I'm a 2200+ player who has been playing on and off since 2013 on OSRS. Learning the inferno this past year has been one of the most rewarding things I've completed in the game. It feels so good, but around attempt ~30 I seriously considered buying the cape, but I persisted and I am so glad I did. It completely got me out of my comfort zone :)
THESE TYPE OF COMMENTS DUDE, I love hearing about that struggle gz bro!
I will never understand people who buy things like the infernal cape or blorva. If you do that, you're cheating away one of the better achievements in osrs and cheating yourself (just my take). The satisfaction that you feel when you finish infernal, blorva, or both, for the first time is something I would never take away. Plus, you become a better pvmer and your skill ceiling gets raised.
I 100% agree with this take, thanks for sharing
Their buying gold anyways.
Honestly rs hasnt been relaxing for a long time. All the new bosses and mechanics are click intensive. Gone are the days of 04-07 click and watch
An issue was that some groups required an inferno, some even an inferno before an x timer. Then cape buyers just make it impossible for others to join.
If it wasn’t possible for people to buy capes/have someone else do it for them then every person with an inferno cape would be respected more as people know for certain they earned it. I’ve been accused too many times of buying mine when I actually put in the effort to learn and do it myself.
huge respect to completing the inferno!
but doesnt this boil down to the issue? why do people care what other people do? the inferno sure is a rare piece of content if you take away cape buyers. but its not rare enough to be looked at as a being respected piece of content. examples of that is zuk helm, and even that is not getting THAT much attention. even though thats miles ahead of an inferno cape.
dont get me wrong, i admire infernal capers that got it themselves, and the grind behind it. but i dont think this is the right way to look at it. it should be an achievement for you, not for other players. because at the end most people simply dont care.
@@einarerkul123456 These are the same people that go around reporting regular players as bots so that some of them get caught up in a false ban. I know 100% that the cheat detection system only evaluates a player profile if it has been reported.
Most adults do not care about the crimes of the rest of the players in an mmo rpg, those who suffer from this are simple children with autism problems.
The problem is that you want validation and “respect” (lol) from random people. Who cares.
Enjoy the satisfaction of besting a difficult task. Then continue. Life goes on. It’s a video game.
i really dont care for the game's integrity and bought my first cape, then i realised i wanted the pet and had to actually learn it so i didnt end up buying a virtual follower for thousands of dollars lmao
How much does it cost?
@@CoffeeMadeMeSay I paid around $100 for cape+quiver, I couldnt justify spending 100+ hours learning the content to never do it agian.
Best place to go for cape/quiver?
@@mitchel2443 i mean you can prolly look on sythe and find something, but the aim of that comment was to say while buying your cape is fine, youre gonna have to learn it eventually. Ive saved $1125 from learning it after the first cape and not buying all 16kc ive done since
@@mitchel2443 I just had a guy do it locally, so I knew where he lived.. You properly have a FB group or something that is local to you, where people do inferno capes
90% of these people saying they felt so rewarded getting their own infernal cape still RWT for gold to buy the gear to do it at their skill level. This is the same exact gripe a lot of ironmen have with normal account players.
There's game integrity and security as core values we would sacrifice if starting to accept account services.
If everything is free, there's no progression. no grind, no pride, no integrity, when you look at another person with a sweet item you'd like to think, oh that's a nice item, good for them for persevering and you can aspire to do the same.
Someone else doing it for you erodes a big part of why we don't just play single player games, we want to see what others do and compare ourselves to them.
Then there's secure practises. I don't think anyone thinks it's good to have it part of the culture to let other people in control of your account or computer.
Someone enjoying themselves a little better for wearing a shiny cape seems quite small compared to the cons. And afterall, the joy is shortlived if you don't have the memory of the struggle of getting that item. Unfulfilled, maybe thinking of the next item to buy.
I don't think we should start accepting account services, the pro's not worth the cons and risk. (I don't encourage flaming other people either, that's not a solution)
I'm curious if you would be ok with an NPC standing outside the inferno pit with a big [$200 = infernal cape] sign. Or a simple 99 dollar for a 99 skill scheme.
It's not an odd or controversial opinion in modern gaming. In most games your avenue of personal achievement is how much you swipe your creditcard.
But part of what makes old school actually old school. It's that it's actually about your personal achievement and what you have actually worked towards. And personally buying capes, gms, blorva just majorly devalues the game itself. But hey that's my opinion
Getting spoon fed fake achievements like buying blorva or an infernal cape is just sad. I can understand paying for a cosmetic upgrade, but most people that pay for an infernal cape or blorva don't buy them for the aesthetic, even if it's a contributing factor, most people pay for the bragging rights or the idea of the achievement. I know because it's the same crowd that pays for ranked boosts in esport games and I'm a former booster in LoL. If you just buy fake achievements from someone else, you probably don't know the satisfaction of accomplishing things on your own otherwise why would you rob yourself?
Aside from how I feel about why someone might purchase a cape, it also just infuriates me that so many people simply believe that rules don't apply to them. Some rules are genuinely stupid, I can understand that to an extent. However, it's like people speeding on the road and swerving in between traffic and doing genuinely dangerous things for themselves and those around them that make me angry and why I believe that people should follow the rules when reasonable, instead of believing that rules should only apply to everyone else. And let's be honest, not buying a cape, or anything else that requires someone else play your account, are reasonable rules to follow.
This is the same as saying "are bot users an issue?" and the answer is yes.
Obviously you could use the argument of: 'well as long as you use in-game transactions its not against ToS' but I guarantee you that most people (if not every single one) that 'buys' an infernal cape does so using RMT which is against ToS. For most people that I know its not that they are so jealous of Infernal Capes that it upsets them, it just enforces the feeling that breaking ToS is the standard thing to do and even encouraged (even if it actually isn't). That perception just makes this aspect of the game feel bad.
Also to your question of "does someone else having an infernal cape effect you?" I will answer yes. Infernal capes have become a gold standard for some raiding groups that will simply not allow you to join them without one, hell I was even seeing this elitism in leagues recently at HM ToB which is ridiculous. When something is seen as "easy" to acquire (swiping your wallet isn't mechanically difficult to do) its assumed that everyone *should* just do it and therefor if you don't have it done you shouldn't be allowed to participate in specific content. To be fair that has more to do with how absolutely gate keepy the vast majority of the higher level community of OSRS is, but it still is a factor worth considering. Just because you personally don't feel that way doesn't mean it doesn't effect others.
80%? That's an insane number and I refuse to believe it lol
Back in 2021 I believe, Jagex released a stat that said something around of the 50k players who had a cape maybe 8-10k of them were legitimate. This was based on the number of removed capes and amount of first-kc times that were extremely faster than normal.
It was thought back in 2018 that 90% of the capes were bought out of ~13k capes.
So glad I never bought mine. I have 5 zuk kc now and currently killed awakened vard for blorva. Stoked to challenge myself further
That's awesome and you should be proud of your accomplishments. On the flip side, many of us play games to relax, especially in a game like runescape. The last thing I want to do after work is to sweat for hours in front of a screen for a virtual reward that ultimately means nothing to me.
@@fleagaunag pure cope, you're just bad and not taking steps to improve
@@Twittchyy Why would I care about being "bad" in a video game? I don't play games to try to prove something to myself or others. As I said, it's a recreational relaxation tool for me. If you're looking for something to improve, try looking outside.
aint nothing wrong with chilling on runescape bro
thats the most stupid take i ever heard. apart from puting your account at risk when buying a cape and forever living with the shame of knowing you couldnt do it by yourself, it harms the games integrity big time. encouraging people to buy a cape because of peer pressure does not even count as an opinion, thats something a 14 year old would say
you are justifying and explaining people buy capes because it looks bad ass? That's a half baked farce. It's called rules, integrity, morals, and people who purchase those capes lack that. If they need a cape that "looks good" to have a good time on runescape, then they should seek a new game for graphics, maybe rs3 120 capes, based off that logic.
Someone else's cape doesn't affect your gameplay so I don't see why you care
@@Reporting_U it really doesn’t affect you at all. Someone else buying a cape doesn’t make your personal achievement any less valid. If you earned it legitimately, then you know you put in the work, and that’s what matters. Let others play how they want, it’s a game, not a competition for morality
Gave up on this when every 1 def pking build pure in game had an inferno and Jagex didn’t action. It’s far too late for them to be meaningful about enforcement.
i got my infernal cape like 2 days ago. it did feel great, i don't know if it'd feel better than getting a mega rare though. but putting in all that effort to learn the content in a week and then getting the coolest looking cape in the game as a reward feels great.
don't care much if someone bought their cape, am just happy knowing i got my cape and can get another one easily.
fast learner, very impressive... oh and tbow next kill glgl
@@indarkment01 oh aatykon, gnomonkey and the resources at we do raids helped a lot. a lot of people get their capes pretty fast now thanks to them.
and i sure hope so lol, ty.
I'm calling BULLSHIT (:
The big problem is that guy who bought the infernal cape is the same guy who talks shit to everyone and now brags he has one. I recently got a 56 min inferno pb and there's nothing better than getting a pb or another kc. At the same time, yeah it doesn't effect you but imo what's the point of these challenges of inferno or blood torva if you're just going to buy it? I just don't see the point.
People who brag about bought infernal capes are different levels of weird, huge gz on the 56 min inferno, very impressive!
Yesterday I grinded out to 70 runecrafting and accomplished 2 things;
1. Got all my stats to base 70.
2. Total level of 1750.
Was I efficient? No. Am I good? Well probably not. Havent done bossing yet.
The goal for now is questcape. After that - Ill find ways to make mad money with bosses. At some point ill be good enough to get an infernal cape, and the quiver. Right now thats beyond my capability when I took 3 attempts to get the firecape.
people only "care" for 2 reasons. 1, they can't afford it 2, they only care because Jagex have said it's against the rules
Except when those people who buy it act like they did it themselves.
My honest opinion on services is idc too much as long as it doesnt negatively impact another person such as scripts and botting. If someone pays for a fang leech or ca leechs nobody judges them, honestly the same thing.
Respectable take in my opinion, good to see you as always Rapsnack
I'm a simple man, I see an Indarkment video, I click it
I do agree though, at the end of the day it is a game. I don't have issues with people who buy capes personally. I went out of my way to learn and complete it myself as I knew when I finally got it, the amount of value I would put on it, along with how much you learn in there. Got my cape 2 weeks ago and I've never felt so motivated / confident to try new content. 10/10 as always
Common W from my boy Bekc, based opinion as usual
Getting my infernal cape is only joined by my first duo ToB completion. Purples don't even come close in feeling
Dude respect and it sounds like the grind was worth it, huge gz
Reasons why I bought my cape: I am a dad, working 40 hours aweek and I could never have the time to dedicate into learning a cape.. But having to pay around $100 for my cape and quiver, was the most time efficient decision by far.. I just couldnt justify spending maybe 100+ hours at Inferno, while I could be with my kid or working.. I know I didnt earn the cape and quiver, but honestly I dont really care, end of the day it's pixels and it made my raids/bossing a tad faster.
What website/service you use? Looking for the same reason lol just want something trustworthy
@@stevenp6033 My country has a facebook sites with people who do it, I know Pink Clay is very trusted tho.. But I prefered someone local doing it
whats wrong with using fire cape and avas?
I think ppl get mad bout cape buyers because they mostly suck at other team content. Not doing the inferno by themselves puts them in a very weak situation regarding to their game knowledge and mechanics, and this usually translate in bad raid teammates.
Fair argument!
People complain about the cheese cape and yet they'll wear the burnt cape
A big draw to osrs for me, and what makes the game feel worth playing long term, is that there are very few pay to win elements (and virtually none as an ironman). I personally am against account services and account sharing of any kind (even if it is technically allowed). I'm not going to play batman or anything stupid like that by making it my job to take action against these things, but players who compromise in buying achievements will compromise in other areas too. But yah... if you want to pay to win there are plenty of games out there where you can do just that. I hope OSRS never falls into that category of games. 🤷♂
I like your comment dude, the pay to win aspect being absent in this game is nice! Dont think many players buy bonds for gp with the cost, but buying gp is kinda ehhh in my opinion
Been eating glue in the inferno doing 1-2 attempts per day. Its such a massive time sink. Totally see why people buy it to do more enjoyable content and just move on.
Yep, my whole reasoning for buying it.. Inferno is a time sink, that once you learn it, most likely will never redo.. Paid $100 for infernal and quiver, I cannot justify spending 100+ hours learning both for that.
alot of people dont have thousands of hours to sink into this game just to learn how to get a single cape and they dont affect the economy in any way so i dont really care if they do or dont buy it
Why do i care if people buy their inferno capes? Why dont i just play single player osrs on a private server? Because the community is what makes our accomplishments mean something, but when they can just be bought then they no longer mean anything. Infernal cape should be a sign of skill and dedication to the game, but all it means is that your mom isnt broke cuz u stole money out of her purse.
Dropping in to say I love your positivity in everything you discuss in this game. While I really don’t think you should be able to buy a cape, like you said osrs is supposed to be relaxing/fun and inferno has made me want to throw my setup out the window
Appreciate the positivity from you ahahaha, yeah dying wave 60+ and rushing to get back was a LITTLE tilting
i got a guy from yrs back named boomer and he bought his cape. he blocked me because i used to make fun of his fake cape, and shit 2 yrs later he got blorva gm and shit and i refuse to believe he did it himself. its just not there.
he 100% bought that shit, if you report him he will get banned for buying that many kits, jagex can tell. I reported someone that bought blorva + fang kit + inferno and they got banned within a week.
quite the specimen Hexa
@@ohokok doesnt deserve a single moment of my time if hes gonna get mad at me for caring about prestigious items, all that is on him
i am artistic with a U instead of a R, indeed@@indarkment01
@@ohokok I bet you watch every sir pugger video, and just log in to report people regardless of if its apparent they are Botting. A broken bot, or farm is one thing, but reporting random people because they don't have their chat on or are using entity hider and didn't respond to you is another whole level of scummy. I 100% know that the evaluation system only operates on reported player accounts, You could make a bot that slicks the same exact pixels at the same exact time 16 hours a day and not get banned unless a report is filed against you. Make a level 3 f2p account and test it out, just don't gain any XP in a single skill to arouse someone to report you. I guarantee it will not get banned.
I just got my cape today! About 40 attempts. And I think it's BS that I have to get more zuk kc or hundreds of raids kc before people will stop thinking I bought it. This is cliche but it's the same reason no one like pay2win in multiplayer games, it cheapens the achievement for the people who put in the time and effort. People look at my cape and know there's like a 60% chance I didn't earn it and I think that sucks.
And if you play runescape to relax and still want the badass bis cape... tough shit? Just use another cape dude, if you don't want to earn it then you don't deserve to have it.
the people who earned one have their achievement diminished because now people can just assume it was bought and be right more than half the time.
I just dont believe this 60-90% of capes are bought claim, I think it’s just cape sellers trying to normalize so people are more likely to buy it. I personally don’t know a single person who has done it, and unless there are just an insane amount of pkers who are buying 24/7, I can’t see that estimate being real
As someone that constantly confuses fire capes and inferno cape. Isnt it just slightly different shade maybe its more apparent when your wear different gear
Its like saying a prius and mercedes look the same
Agree to disagree
I havent heard this opinion before, thanks for sharing
As long as they are not playing the account buying ca boosts are ok imo
I've been in multiple different "big clans" on this game. In every one I've been in, at least 80% of the infernal capes in there are bought. Most of the time they have a guy in the clan that does it for them. It's extremely cringe to me to see people getting 75 minute capes on for their first KC and everyone GZ's them when it's obvious they bought it. Buying a cape should be a perm-ban no matter what so that people will be less likely to buy it, because as it currently stands you can buy a cape and the worst you're gunna get is a 2 week ban and maybe have the cape removed.
Ive seen people "coach" others on how to get a cape when they bought it, thanks for your input
@@indarkment01 Yes, and I've coached people before. But in this instance its people actually using Parsec to fully do the cape for them.
Most adults do not care about the crimes of the rest of the players in an mmo rpg, those who suffer from this are simple children with autism problems.
i wish i could do it , but having only 50M worth of gear, i will be destroid! maybe in the future i begin the attenpts
Yea dont buy a cape..
I tried to buy recently and paid 80$ in rsgp and got scammed and teleported.
Lost all my bank I worked for since 2015 no rwt till Tried buying a cape because lost so much time on dying while trying and gp gathering everytime.
Dont buy the cape and dont get near this boss it will just get you mad and quit
I bought my cape I don't give a fuck what other people think about it I only runescape in my free time
how does that even work... does someone take over your pc or what
@@ryan6766 nah dude just logged in and did he's a streamer so he streams them in front of hella people
@@ryan6766 most will use a program that gives remote access to your computer and they just play through that
Streamer name?
Or maybe people dont like rulebreakers
1:58 doubt.jpg :P
So does this mean you’ll do my inferno
It’s a huge disadvantage to people that earn it the right way. Buying it is cheating and it does affect you in pvp situations. People don’t get how drastic the boost is. Fire cape you can hit a 60 with voidwaker. But a inferno cape boosts that max hit up to 75
If you don’t think that’s a big deal then you’re dumb
This vid is so underrated
wait you can buy one? oh...
Saw a youtuber buy his firecape and made a video on it. I thought it was against rules but I guess not.
Very interesting...
@@indarkment01 supposedly they haven't punished anyone for it since 2020.
I dont recon i can get one so im going for questing cape
i cant wait to earn one of these
did you get one?
@ not yet soon I hope.
@@codygottaglo have you tried To do some runs?
@ not yet no, I was in the middle of getting higher defense. At least 90 I’ll need for my go at it.
@@codygottaglo good luck when you start To crack down them waves
god i love you indarkment you fucking janitor
HAHAHAHHAHAHA
its kind of like bots
Agreed
Ngl man this "who cares bro just do what you want" take is pretty ass, infernal and blorva are trophy unlocks for your account, they represent accolades/achievements, paying someone else hundreds of dollars to get it for you so you can show it off as your own isn't valid or chill lol, it's just kind of pathetic. It's basically the in game equivalent of stolen valor. Like ultimately it doesn't affect me but it says a lot about the person willing to do that.
I will probably end up buying the cape. This doesn't mean I won't learn inferno. I will grind inferno but I can't deal with pressure like that with severe anxiety. I also had someone do my firecape because of it a few years ago.
exactly my problem, anxiety
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What’s your discord lol
AHAHAHA
What's your discord?
YOOOOO For REALSSSS Whats your discord