This is all fantastic! Loving the support TT is getting, and hoping for the additional points (esp a Y point) before too much longer. Peco has quietly done a great job here. Their wagons are gorgeous - maybe tweak those couplings though - I'd pay a bit more for that. Hoping they'll bring out more wagons - you can never have too many. The investment required to tool all this stuff must be substantial for what will inevitably be a slow start, so up to us to support these manufacturers (all of 'em!) with our "hard-earned". Absolutely love this scale, and track that's correctly gauged to scale is brilliant. I can't be doing with OO anymore. Thanks, Peachy - nice vid, as always!
Def a move in the right direction. Be great to see them expend quite quickly to at least give us 3rd radius and set track points. The basic track packs sounds a good idea too.
Thanks another great video of more fantastic products. In my previous layouts in other gauges, I have only used streamline track, but I can now see the possibilities of combining both systems. West Hill Wagon Works how great are they also. TT120 just keeps on moving forward.
Any addition to the TT range is always welcome. I don't know why some modellers look down their noses at people who use set track. Once it's been weathered and ballested it can look great. Best to avoid the tighter radii if you have the space though. The only thing I don't like are those strange joined up sleepers at the ends and often in the middle on longer pieces of track. I don't know why they have to have those. I'm old enough to remember when Hornby first introduced their Code 100 (OO) set track back in the early 70s. Back then it was marketed as System 6 track and didn't have those odd sleepers but had a half rail at the join. It was much more realistic. I'm hoping Peco will go beyond radius 4. Perhaps give us a radius 5 which is currently missing from the Hornby range. After all, the beauty of TT is that you can fit more into a space and where possible have more gentle flowing curves.
@@robelvery all good points you make there. However, I’m guessing a R5 would probably be last on their list, seeing as flexi track works very well with larger radius. Although you never know 🤞
Wonderful introduction to the Peco track system :). I'm still looking forward to the upcoming curved points. Hopefully they'll also offer a curved point in the R3 and R4 radii from Hornby. I doubt it, but it would be nice. Well, I hope Mactrain's presentation of the Peco signals is just as good.
I can definitely see a place for this track - if there has been a full range earlier I may have even used it myself (I have always struggled with joining the Flexi on curves). Thanks for the info with all the bits you reviewed, it's extremely helpful for a (born again) beginner like myself 🤣👍
Nice video, more of anything in TT is good. I wish those long straights had been available in January when I built my layout. I used Hornby set track as new (returning) to the hobby and was a bit nervous about using the flexi.
All the more experienced modellers seem to prefer Peco Streamline and I would like give it a try myself. But starting off as newcomer I got a Hornby set with their set track and have since added more of their track and now have my proposed layout more or less confirmed. My concerns are how well will Peco Set track marry up with my Hornby track - physical connections and more importantly, different geometry. That along with the currently very limited choice of track puts me off this new Peco offering. I still think I will be using Streamline for some more difficult parts of my layout. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
@@derekcole5593 I’ve sort of done the same with my plans for a “big layout” as I also want concrete on the main line. But seeing I still wanted something to run on hence making “Camelot” on a 4x3 board. It’s a frustration felt by many, but it’s just the way things are. I can only hope the scale carry’s on attracting new customers, which in turn hopefully makes manufacturers step up their releases.
As the Peco code 55 and Hornby have different rail profiles it makes it hard work if i want to use both. And it’s not reasonable to expect someone to rip up one layout to change it to the other. but if Peco were to create adaptors or adaptor fishplates they could win over new modellers that have started with Hornby but now feel Peco is better.
@@T4Van-E-daycamp I guess it’s a hard call for Peco, they pretty much decided from the off to use code 55, and they did announce their system before Hornby. My guess is they’ll stick to their guns and aim towards customers who haven’t yet started their layouts
No problem with set track. So many have gone back to set track from flexi track. Code 55? Hornby was code 100 I seem to recall. Do you need a converter to use the tracks together?
@@monsvillerailways5736 I believe the rail height is the same. I don’t believe there is a specific converter as they’re such a different shape. People have soldered them together. But this is a bit of a faff for most. Hornby’s TT120 track is code 80, Tillig code 83 & I think Rocos turntable is 75? These three for quite easily together.
As a life long N gauge modeller, I've been toying with jacking it all in and going TT..for the steam era that is LNER and LMS. Staying with N for BR Blue. My N gauge collection is huge and will shortly be moving and will have a juicy loft about 24ft by 14ft and will soon be starting again.. I have had a quick look about and was rather disappointed with the lack of stock although I appreciate its new..For example I have about 50 Gresley Teak coaches and as many LMS types, about 100 locos and also I note the points range is also limited so Its putting me off. I could build a layout but there just isn't enough stock to run on it to take the plunge🤔
@PeachyTT120 I popped along to a model shop today that stock TT120. I have to say I do like the scale. Almost perfect I'd say. The locos are lovely and I almost walked out with the Scotsman sound set! Ended up with a set of two sheds to paint and get a flavour. Now I have a huge decision to make and it's mashing my head 😫. It's totally your fault. I never should have tuned into your channel the other day 😫
Having only ever used Hornby track, I find this all a bit confusing (and wonder whether new comers to the hobby will too !) I assume you can't mix Hornby and Peco track, as I understand one is code 55 and the other code 80, which I think refers to the height ? Why the need for two kinds of track ? Isn't it a bit like the old VHS v Betamax ! Why is Peco considered to be better ? Maybe it's just me hehe :) Thanks for the continuing great reviews
@@Rick70567 yeah I can see how newbies might find it all a bit odd (I promise, so do the more experienced) the actual track heights are the same, however the height between the top of the sleeper and top of rail is more prototypical and so is the width of the rail and the gauge. These differences are nominal, however they are deemed important for the “fine scale” modeller. It’s probably easier to see the difference when both are fully ballested as then you don’t see the depth of the sleepers, just the difference in size of the rails.
Thanks for the video. Learned a lot about the Peco TT120 track system from it . Also like the Westhill wagon works fishplate installer and track pin locator . All looks good . I’ve yet to go into TT120 , waiting for more blue diesels , but I’d certainly look at Peco rather than Hornby as I like the 4 double curves to get the diameter . I know they are probably coming but would have liked to see Peco R3 and R4 although at the moment I think I’m correct in saying these would be different from Hornby because the track centres are different . You do need R3/4 and onwards however to have a complete system , or do they intend introducing new points to get to Hornby track centres? Would suggest something must be coming or why bring out a track plans book . It would be very limited if only R2 . Only thing I don’t like is the heavy set sleepers at the end . Very reminiscent of Hornby/Roco system6 of the 1970s ! Well done Peco !
@@russellbenton2987 standard R3 & R4 radius are in the pipeline, & yes I believe the “set-track” specific points will be the 43mm as per Tillig & Hornby. (As opposed to the more prototypical 36mm in Streamline)
I wonder if Peco and/or Hornby would consider temporarily selling rolling wagon chassis so that modellers could fit tertiary/amateur 3D printed bodies of horseboxes, cattle wagons, fish vans, milk tanks, etc, etc, as a way of broadening the variety of available rolling stock quickly and cheaply to encourage the takeup of TT120 before eventually producing their own fully finished accurate RTR stock?
As a thick Newbie, but can I ask what is the difference between Set track and Streamlined track? I like the look of this and plan to make a small extra layout sometime, and will try this on that.
@@trevorbellTT120 streamline points (when joined together) set the track at a more prototypical spacing of 36mm apart. Plus there are no curves or straights at various lengths. Just 3ft (in Peco’s case) of flexi-track. “Set track” is made up of components at set lengths and radius’s also the standard spacing is 43mm apart
@@japiearangies good idea, something I might do in the future I think. But this video was about Peco’s new track. What do you think of it? & what might you like to see in the future?
@@PeachyTT120 great fan of Peco for about 40 years in both N and HO. My go to track. In near future also TT after seeing your video today. Greetings from South Africa
@thomasfrancis5747 if asked Peco if there's any new wagons coming and they said not at the moment so it's not looking good probably due to the complaints about the couplings.and hornby does box cars anyway.
I'm going to stop watching your TH-cam videos. The simple reason being that they fill my head with ideas, and I just know those ideas (your fault that you showed me these - remember?) are going to be costing me time and money. So until I don't watch the next one - probably - keep up the good work ;)
Hi Chris. You said that the TT:120 Setrack was compatible with their Code 55 Streamline track system (and you did demonstrate this) but I don't believe you explicitly said that the Setrack was Code 55; furthermore, it was not noted on the packaging. What gives?
@@PaulSmith-pl7fo it’s code 55. Why would you think it was anything else? 😀 Ps, I’ve watched it back and yes, technically you’re correct. Sorry, my bad.
TT is meant to be "Table Top" and at launch was trumpeted by Hornby as being suitable for smaller houses and flats, ie you should be able to easily set up a layout on a table, run trains and take it apart again. That really means ballasted track which clips together to ensure sufficiently stiff, level track and reduced noise. Track like Kato's Unitrack, ideal for small Japanese homes, or Märklin C track, or Rocoline, not the track offerings from Peco and Hornby which still need to be nailed down onto a base board - I bought a Hornby TT set last week and the track is terrible. Doesn't lie flat and leaves the locos stuck with wheels spinning. It's frustrating that this uniquely British "must have a bulky, big board to run trains" mentality continues. There is a ballasted TT option out there - Tillig "bedding track" but I've seen no coverage by the English TT 120 channels. It uses Kato-supplied unijoiners so I imagine it's pretty good. I'd be really interested in your views on it in a video if you felt so inclined.
@@eurovnik hi, yes i understand your sentiment, but I don’t think you should take Hornby’s choice of calling it TT as a marker of their commitment to creating a scale for occasional use on tables. Pre-formed or pre-ballasted track doesn’t have many fans here in the UK, if Hornby had tried using it this scale it really wouldn’t have been anywhere near as successful as it is so far. As for Hornby’s track, yes I agree it’s not very good, it’s ok… but that’s it. Tilig is nice but too expensive. For me, Peco wins hands down. As for producing a video on bedding track? Erm…. Don’t hold your breath…🤣🤣
Nice too see you and MacTrains working together again. So rare in TH-cam. Keep it up
@@damianinCanadaTT-OO cheers Damian 🍻
This is all fantastic! Loving the support TT is getting, and hoping for the additional points (esp a Y point) before too much longer.
Peco has quietly done a great job here. Their wagons are gorgeous - maybe tweak those couplings though - I'd pay a bit more for that. Hoping they'll bring out more wagons - you can never have too many.
The investment required to tool all this stuff must be substantial for what will inevitably be a slow start, so up to us to support these manufacturers (all of 'em!) with our "hard-earned". Absolutely love this scale, and track that's correctly gauged to scale is brilliant. I can't be doing with OO anymore.
Thanks, Peachy - nice vid, as always!
@@chairmakerPete cheers 🍻I couldn’t agree more 👍
Def a move in the right direction. Be great to see them expend quite quickly to at least give us 3rd radius and set track points. The basic track packs sounds a good idea too.
@@mactrains yes I’m hoping that comes out soon. But also more streamline
Peco is an excellent alternative to the hornby track. Set track is great for new users. Thanks for the update 😃
@@andrewstewart-wright4131 I can’t quite get over how well it fits together and just how smooth the running over the joints is
Thanks another great video of more fantastic products. In my previous layouts in other gauges, I have only used streamline track, but I can now see the possibilities of combining both systems. West Hill Wagon Works how great are they also. TT120 just keeps on moving forward.
@@aussietrails1884 definitely the set curves would make tight curve work easier, especially in something like a helix. 👍
All ready purchased my hornby track
@@East_Mallingford_Railway 👍
Any addition to the TT range is always welcome. I don't know why some modellers look down their noses at people who use set track. Once it's been weathered and ballested it can look great. Best to avoid the tighter radii if you have the space though. The only thing I don't like are those strange joined up sleepers at the ends and often in the middle on longer pieces of track. I don't know why they have to have those. I'm old enough to remember when Hornby first introduced their Code 100 (OO) set track back in the early 70s. Back then it was marketed as System 6 track and didn't have those odd sleepers but had a half rail at the join. It was much more realistic. I'm hoping Peco will go beyond radius 4. Perhaps give us a radius 5 which is currently missing from the Hornby range. After all, the beauty of TT is that you can fit more into a space and where possible have more gentle flowing curves.
@@robelvery all good points you make there. However, I’m guessing a R5 would probably be last on their list, seeing as flexi track works very well with larger radius. Although you never know 🤞
Lol the way you open boxes, I thought it was just me .
@@madhatter61 🤪👍
Wonderful introduction to the Peco track system :).
I'm still looking forward to the upcoming curved points. Hopefully they'll also offer a curved point in the R3 and R4 radii from Hornby. I doubt it, but it would be nice.
Well, I hope Mactrain's presentation of the Peco signals is just as good.
@@Ilmson yes I’m really hopeful for more to come from Peco.
And I’m sure Mac will do us proud 😊
I can definitely see a place for this track - if there has been a full range earlier I may have even used it myself (I have always struggled with joining the Flexi on curves).
Thanks for the info with all the bits you reviewed, it's extremely helpful for a (born again) beginner like myself 🤣👍
@@yorkiepudd2 my pleasure👍
Nice video, more of anything in TT is good. I wish those long straights had been available in January when I built my layout. I used Hornby set track as new (returning) to the hobby and was a bit nervous about using the flexi.
@@timallen_uk the flexi track isn’t too bad when using a track insert guide to keep straight, but I agree the joining can be a bit off putting
All the more experienced modellers seem to prefer Peco Streamline and I would like give it a try myself. But starting off as newcomer I got a Hornby set with their set track and have since added more of their track and now have my proposed layout more or less confirmed. My concerns are how well will Peco Set track marry up with my Hornby track - physical connections and more importantly, different geometry. That along with the currently very limited choice of track puts me off this new Peco offering. I still think I will be using Streamline for some more difficult parts of my layout. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
@@MarkJT1000 my pleasure 👍
You produce great vids ! They are a lot help for this beginner ...
@@pim1234 cheers Pim, what do think of the track?
@@PeachyTT120 looks nice, but I haven't even started with my lay out. Bought an Easterner set so far 😄
@@pim1234 ok. Good luck with your build 👍
@@PeachyTT120 tnx
I've put my track building on hold, I'm waiting for concrete sleepers in Streamline.
@@derekcole5593 I’ve sort of done the same with my plans for a “big layout” as I also want concrete on the main line. But seeing I still wanted something to run on hence making “Camelot” on a 4x3 board.
It’s a frustration felt by many, but it’s just the way things are. I can only hope the scale carry’s on attracting new customers, which in turn hopefully makes manufacturers step up their releases.
@@PeachyTT120 I'm concentrating on many of the buildings. Askern Colliery is taking up much of my free time. It continues to grow!
As the Peco code 55 and Hornby have different rail profiles it makes it hard work if i want to use both. And it’s not reasonable to expect someone to rip up one layout to change it to the other. but if Peco were to create adaptors or adaptor fishplates they could win over new modellers that have started with Hornby but now feel Peco is better.
@@T4Van-E-daycamp I guess it’s a hard call for Peco, they pretty much decided from the off to use code 55, and they did announce their system before Hornby. My guess is they’ll stick to their guns and aim towards customers who haven’t yet started their layouts
will try the 1meter track in the fiddle yard. thanks Chris. caroline
No problem with set track.
So many have gone back to set track from flexi track.
Code 55?
Hornby was code 100 I seem to recall.
Do you need a converter to use the tracks together?
@@monsvillerailways5736 I believe the rail height is the same. I don’t believe there is a specific converter as they’re such a different shape. People have soldered them together. But this is a bit of a faff for most. Hornby’s TT120 track is code 80, Tillig code 83 & I think Rocos turntable is 75? These three for quite easily together.
As a life long N gauge modeller, I've been toying with jacking it all in and going TT..for the steam era that is LNER and LMS. Staying with N for BR Blue.
My N gauge collection is huge and will shortly be moving and will have a juicy loft about 24ft by 14ft and will soon be starting again..
I have had a quick look about and was rather disappointed with the lack of stock although I appreciate its new..For example I have about 50 Gresley Teak coaches and as many LMS types, about 100 locos and also I note the points range is also limited so Its putting me off.
I could build a layout but there just isn't enough stock to run on it to take the plunge🤔
@@fentoncentral-ngauge build it and they will come! 🙏
@PeachyTT120 I popped along to a model shop today that stock TT120. I have to say I do like the scale. Almost perfect I'd say. The locos are lovely and I almost walked out with the Scotsman sound set! Ended up with a set of two sheds to paint and get a flavour.
Now I have a huge decision to make and it's mashing my head 😫. It's totally your fault. I never should have tuned into your channel the other day 😫
@@fentoncentral-ngauge 🤣🤣
Having only ever used Hornby track, I find this all a bit confusing (and wonder whether new comers to the hobby will too !) I assume you can't mix Hornby and Peco track, as I understand one is code 55 and the other code 80, which I think refers to the height ? Why the need for two kinds of track ? Isn't it a bit like the old VHS v Betamax ! Why is Peco considered to be better ? Maybe it's just me hehe :) Thanks for the continuing great reviews
@@Rick70567 yeah I can see how newbies might find it all a bit odd (I promise, so do the more experienced) the actual track heights are the same, however the height between the top of the sleeper and top of rail is more prototypical and so is the width of the rail and the gauge. These differences are nominal, however they are deemed important for the “fine scale” modeller.
It’s probably easier to see the difference when both are fully ballested as then you don’t see the depth of the sleepers, just the difference in size of the rails.
Thanks for the video. Learned a lot about the Peco TT120 track system from it . Also like the Westhill wagon works fishplate installer and track pin locator . All looks good . I’ve yet to go into TT120 , waiting for more blue diesels , but I’d certainly look at Peco rather than Hornby as I like the 4 double curves to get the diameter . I know they are probably coming but would have liked to see Peco R3 and R4 although at the moment I think I’m correct in saying these would be different from Hornby because the track centres are different . You do need R3/4 and onwards however to have a complete system , or do they intend introducing new points to get to Hornby track centres? Would suggest something must be coming or why bring out a track plans book . It would be very limited if only R2 . Only thing I don’t like is the heavy set sleepers at the end . Very reminiscent of Hornby/Roco system6 of the 1970s ! Well done Peco !
@@russellbenton2987 standard R3 & R4 radius are in the pipeline, & yes I believe the “set-track” specific points will be the 43mm as per Tillig & Hornby. (As opposed to the more prototypical 36mm in Streamline)
@@PeachyTT120 ahh interesting . Thanks for coming back on that .
@@russellbenton2987 my pleasure 👍
I wonder if Peco and/or Hornby would consider temporarily selling rolling wagon chassis so that modellers could fit tertiary/amateur 3D printed bodies of horseboxes, cattle wagons, fish vans, milk tanks, etc, etc, as a way of broadening the variety of available rolling stock quickly and cheaply to encourage the takeup of TT120 before eventually producing their own fully finished accurate RTR stock?
@@thomasfrancis5747 that would be helpful
As a thick Newbie, but can I ask what is the difference between Set track and Streamlined track?
I like the look of this and plan to make a small extra layout sometime, and will try this on that.
@@trevorbellTT120 streamline points (when joined together) set the track at a more prototypical spacing of 36mm apart. Plus there are no curves or straights at various lengths. Just 3ft (in Peco’s case) of flexi-track. “Set track” is made up of components at set lengths and radius’s also the standard spacing is 43mm apart
@@PeachyTT120 Thank you.
@@trevorbellTT120 my pleasure Trevor 👍
Hi Chris . have used all west hill works bits except the fueling station. caroline
@@carolinecleaveley-q1r good to hear Caroline. What do you think of this new set track?
not seen it yet. maybe at Chester on Wednesday from chester model centre. caroline
@@carolinecleaveley-q1r yeah but I’m guessing you’ve watched the video?
What about Tillig and "new" Roco comparison with Peco and Hornby?
@@japiearangies good idea, something I might do in the future I think. But this video was about Peco’s new track. What do you think of it? & what might you like to see in the future?
@@PeachyTT120 great fan of Peco for about 40 years in both N and HO. My go to track. In near future also TT after seeing your video today. Greetings from South Africa
@@japiearangies cheers 🍻
Any new Peco TT120 wagons/coaches coming soon.
@@triangttvstilligtt1184 this was discussed in the video 🤷🏻♂️
Looking at the packaging Peco use for their open wagons there seems to be sufficient height to later offer boxvans, etc...
@thomasfrancis5747 if asked Peco if there's any new wagons coming and they said not at the moment so it's not looking good probably due to the complaints about the couplings.and hornby does box cars anyway.
I'm going to stop watching your TH-cam videos. The simple reason being that they fill my head with ideas, and I just know those ideas (your fault that you showed me these - remember?) are going to be costing me time and money. So until I don't watch the next one - probably - keep up the good work ;)
@@baz657 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hi Chris. You said that the TT:120 Setrack was compatible with their Code 55 Streamline track system (and you did demonstrate this) but I don't believe you explicitly said that the Setrack was Code 55; furthermore, it was not noted on the packaging. What gives?
@@PaulSmith-pl7fo it’s code 55. Why would you think it was anything else? 😀
Ps, I’ve watched it back and yes, technically you’re correct. Sorry, my bad.
@@PeachyTT120 In the absence of evidence, I thought it might be Code 80 or 100 - that damn OO gauge gets everywhere!
@@PaulSmith-pl7fo 😀
I'd imagine concrete sleeper would be top as 7 to preseht day are extremely popular with tt. Tsk. Down with the modern era
@@madhatter61 🤣
no Peachy, not less points but fewer points.
@@rogerterry5013 thank you. 👍
TT is meant to be "Table Top" and at launch was trumpeted by Hornby as being suitable for smaller houses and flats, ie you should be able to easily set up a layout on a table, run trains and take it apart again.
That really means ballasted track which clips together to ensure sufficiently stiff, level track and reduced noise. Track like Kato's Unitrack, ideal for small Japanese homes, or Märklin C track, or Rocoline, not the track offerings from Peco and Hornby which still need to be nailed down onto a base board - I bought a Hornby TT set last week and the track is terrible. Doesn't lie flat and leaves the locos stuck with wheels spinning.
It's frustrating that this uniquely British "must have a bulky, big board to run trains" mentality continues.
There is a ballasted TT option out there - Tillig "bedding track" but I've seen no coverage by the English TT 120 channels. It uses Kato-supplied unijoiners so I imagine it's pretty good. I'd be really interested in your views on it in a video if you felt so inclined.
@@eurovnik hi, yes i understand your sentiment, but I don’t think you should take Hornby’s choice of calling it TT as a marker of their commitment to creating a scale for occasional use on tables.
Pre-formed or pre-ballasted track doesn’t have many fans here in the UK, if Hornby had tried using it this scale it really wouldn’t have been anywhere near as successful as it is so far.
As for Hornby’s track, yes I agree it’s not very good, it’s ok… but that’s it. Tilig is nice but too expensive. For me, Peco wins hands down.
As for producing a video on bedding track? Erm…. Don’t hold your breath…🤣🤣