This is a really nice dissection, thanks, I run Lange, 140 rs, and 140 xt3, the difference is more than subtle in wsrmth, comfort, and performance. Nice to have a choice, usually dependent on snow conditions and ambient temp.
This was perfect timing and highlights what I was investigating last weekend in my own skiing! I was really trying to fine tune my earl edge engagement with smoothness and deliberate action vs my typical which is much more chucked into the turn the ride it out, and I was really struggling with those fine motor movements and I found myself really wanting to crank the boot down bc my control felt numb in the transition and thus finding early engagement was difficult. Once the ski engaged it feels fine. I’m in a hybrid boot from k2 with about 100 days on them and they are starting to feel a little sloppy, and especially since they aren’t pure alpine boots. Just something to think about when focusing on my skiing, still striving for smoothness. I am really considering some zip fit liners to help with filling out my boot and building better connection to it.
Subtle but interesting differences. Were those done on the same skis? Either way, I think I'll stick to my relatively comfortable boots. My feet are hurting just thinking about cramming them into a boot two shoe sizes too small & so narrow!
Good test Ski Dad! I have similar setup. Tecnica R9.3 for performance and Lange Shadow for warmth. I get similar feelings. Have you tried the comparison in bumps? That's where I find the differences are much bigger. Happy Holidays and keep the great videos coming!
I’m getting into expert level skiing and I think my boots are holding me back. I have Solomon pro 100 and I have to buckle them completely to the point where they’re warping.
Could you get away with a boot somewhere in the middle instead of having two? Do you use those toe caps? If so do they work? Also, how do you like that new rustler 9?
Is it a former racer thing that we run the same boots until the wheels fall off? I still can't give up my bare-bones 150 flex Dobermann boots from probably 2002. I've had other race boots, but I've logged so many hours in gates with them throughout the most transformative parts of my racing career that I feel like the boots themselves shaped my skiing to a certain extent, and everything else just feels a little off. I've tweaked and tinkered with the Dalbello's as much as I can, but there's still something about the flex and fit of the boot that isn't the same and is definitely noticeable when I switch between them--though I rarely ski the same skis with both boots, which would be an interesting comparison. I have another season or two left in the Intuition liners, but the newer Fischer RC4 Pro boots that come stock with the ZipFit liner is very intriguing as a replacement option for both, and if the ZF hype is true, I could probably have them for many years, which seems to be my MO with boots. Have you ever tried ZipFit liners?
Do you use a spoiler for forward lean in your race boots? I did the squat test to check my balance fore and aft but because I did a lot of kung fu when I was young with all the crazy low awkward stances we had to do, I have no trouble balancing in all of the ski boots configuration and honestly can't tell the difference statically.
Both boots are "130 Flex" This comparison of boots is not meant to tell you with boot to buy, it is simply a comparison of setups to give you more information in the boot buying process.
I like the concept of the video but this is a comparison between race-fit race boots and old, ill fitted boots, not between race and freeride boots. It is a myth that comfort, warmth and performance are trade offs. A high-performance fit should be comfortable (and will be warm just as a result of a proper fit). A loose fit will involve more movement in the boot and require more more reliance on the buckles both resulting in discomfort and cold. The fit should be the same with all types of boots, whether race, performance or freeride. The difference should just be in the type of boot (and liner) matching the skiing type. Just like a setup for a track race car and a rally car, a freeride boot should provide a more progressive flex. The real comparison would be between the same brand's race boot and top-of-the-line freeride boot both properly fit and then compare them in different types of skiing - gates, groomer and off-piste.
I agree with you! This is a TOTAL BS comparison! It's a LIE! A really well used Intuition vs well broken-in race boot...give me a brake. If he's honest he'll redo this with a new Intuition Powerwrap.
Why, what is the lie? I have these 2 videos to compare. I left it open ended. The viewer can take away what they want. I respect the viewers and let them find the value. I was totally honest Why so mad bro?
@@skidadTV It's a lie because a lot of people are going to miss the subtlety mentioned so early and quickly. It's like comparing a corvette right off the assembly line to a 15 year old barn find...it means NOTHING...but some people don't understand that.
I showed what is possible in a Corvette and a 50yo barn find. I found the comparison interesting so I showed it to the world. I mention that the full tilt was old and busted multiple times. I was crystal clear. I also mention that I love the boot. Again where is the lie?
Very cool analysis. Interesting to see high performance turns achieved using the same fundamental techniques but subtle differences in fine tuning.
This is a really nice dissection, thanks, I run Lange, 140 rs, and 140 xt3, the difference is more than subtle in wsrmth, comfort, and performance. Nice to have a choice, usually dependent on snow conditions and ambient temp.
This was perfect timing and highlights what I was investigating last weekend in my own skiing! I was really trying to fine tune my earl edge engagement with smoothness and deliberate action vs my typical which is much more chucked into the turn the ride it out, and I was really struggling with those fine motor movements and I found myself really wanting to crank the boot down bc my control felt numb in the transition and thus finding early engagement was difficult. Once the ski engaged it feels fine.
I’m in a hybrid boot from k2 with about 100 days on them and they are starting to feel a little sloppy, and especially since they aren’t pure alpine boots.
Just something to think about when focusing on my skiing, still striving for smoothness. I am really considering some zip fit liners to help with filling out my boot and building better connection to it.
Subtle but interesting differences. Were those done on the same skis?
Either way, I think I'll stick to my relatively comfortable boots. My feet are hurting just thinking about cramming them into a boot two shoe sizes too small & so narrow!
Good test Ski Dad! I have similar setup. Tecnica R9.3 for performance and Lange Shadow for warmth. I get similar feelings. Have you tried the comparison in bumps? That's where I find the differences are much bigger.
Happy Holidays and keep the great videos coming!
I’m getting into expert level skiing and I think my boots are holding me back. I have Solomon pro 100 and I have to buckle them completely to the point where they’re warping.
Definitely time for some new plastic
Could you get away with a boot somewhere in the middle instead of having two? Do you use those toe caps? If so do they work? Also, how do you like that new rustler 9?
Is it a former racer thing that we run the same boots until the wheels fall off? I still can't give up my bare-bones 150 flex Dobermann boots from probably 2002. I've had other race boots, but I've logged so many hours in gates with them throughout the most transformative parts of my racing career that I feel like the boots themselves shaped my skiing to a certain extent, and everything else just feels a little off. I've tweaked and tinkered with the Dalbello's as much as I can, but there's still something about the flex and fit of the boot that isn't the same and is definitely noticeable when I switch between them--though I rarely ski the same skis with both boots, which would be an interesting comparison. I have another season or two left in the Intuition liners, but the newer Fischer RC4 Pro boots that come stock with the ZipFit liner is very intriguing as a replacement option for both, and if the ZF hype is true, I could probably have them for many years, which seems to be my MO with boots. Have you ever tried ZipFit liners?
Do you use a spoiler for forward lean in your race boots? I did the squat test to check my balance fore and aft but because I did a lot of kung fu when I was young with all the crazy low awkward stances we had to do, I have no trouble balancing in all of the ski boots configuration and honestly can't tell the difference statically.
Is there much difference in static balance test - boots only vs. boots clipped in ski's? Just as there's front and rear binding height differences.
I ran a spoiler in my racing days. I do not have one in now for comfort reasons. I still think they perform great
Both boots are "130 Flex"
This comparison of boots is not meant to tell you with boot to buy, it is simply a comparison of setups to give you more information in the boot buying process.
I like the concept of the video but this is a comparison between race-fit race boots and old, ill fitted boots, not between race and freeride boots. It is a myth that comfort, warmth and performance are trade offs. A high-performance fit should be comfortable (and will be warm just as a result of a proper fit). A loose fit will involve more movement in the boot and require more more reliance on the buckles both resulting in discomfort and cold.
The fit should be the same with all types of boots, whether race, performance or freeride. The difference should just be in the type of boot (and liner) matching the skiing type. Just like a setup for a track race car and a rally car, a freeride boot should provide a more progressive flex.
The real comparison would be between the same brand's race boot and top-of-the-line freeride boot both properly fit and then compare them in different types of skiing - gates, groomer and off-piste.
LMK when you post it, I’ll give it a like 😉
I agree with you! This is a TOTAL BS comparison! It's a LIE! A really well used Intuition vs well broken-in race boot...give me a brake. If he's honest he'll redo this with a new Intuition Powerwrap.
Why, what is the lie?
I have these 2 videos to compare. I left it open ended. The viewer can take away what they want.
I respect the viewers and let them find the value.
I was totally honest
Why so mad bro?
@@skidadTV It's a lie because a lot of people are going to miss the subtlety mentioned so early and quickly. It's like comparing a corvette right off the assembly line to a 15 year old barn find...it means NOTHING...but some people don't understand that.
I showed what is possible in a Corvette and a 50yo barn find. I found the comparison interesting so I showed it to the world.
I mention that the full tilt was old and busted multiple times. I was crystal clear. I also mention that I love the boot.
Again where is the lie?