Out there ripping arcs already? Top tier content as always!! Looking forward to get on snow again teaching and practice for my exams. Thanks for everything, keep up the good work! Cheers from Sweden
Actually the "trick" to higher angles is either 1. the Instagram cheating method of braking to generate force/pressure which also generates spray but kills speed, or 2. the world cup method of pulling radius by dropping the hip *without dropping the shoulder* nearly as much, ie. increasing angulation. The latter works because the resulting increase in edge angle correspondingly decreases sidecut radius, which increases angular velocity/centrifugal force (that "pressure" Ski-Dad talks about) due to conservation of angular momentum. The angle your body can maintain vs the hill is direct result of centrifugal force. So he is correct there's increased pressure, but it's not pressure generated by "pushing harder" as some claim, but consequence of reducing radius of parabolic skis.
Your a great skier, Way to technical with your explanations. All great skiers have there own style. Who is to say right or wrong works for them. Have fun skiing.
So im thinking the pressure on the outside ski is generated from the proper speed coming into the turn and angulating the ski more? And not actually pushing outward on the outside ski? It's the centrifugal force generated by the speed and digging in the ski with that high angle?
@@skidadTV thanks! It's a great feeling to experience that whip effect of the forces of physics when you get it right! 👊 Felt it last year for the first time. Can't wait for this February to take up where I left off in Snowmass!
@@swingman50 Yes, increasing angulation reduces subtended radius of parabolic sidecut skis, which increases centrifugal/centripetal force when momentum is conserved. I explain in bit further detail in the other comment here.
The interial forces we feel from skiing come from the direction change in our turns at speed. As you cross the hill to end your turn, your mass is fighting to go down the fallline, while your skis resist that force. If you want to build higher edge angles, speed is necessary in order to create enough force between the skis and the snow that you can build this inertial force. This is like a marble in a popcorn bowl. Don’t think of "pressure" on the outside foot, think of percentage of body weight. Because your mass is moving, your functional weight will change as you move through time. We generate enough force from our interia and our speed down the mountain that in some moments we experience weightlessness, and others much more than gravity. The only times we need to be actively pushing into the outside ski are when we are being compressed by inertial forces, such as going over a big compression.
So how do you get pressure on that outside ski? I guess that’s the magical question that no one can answer. I watch all your videos along with many other instructors. No one has the answer. At least other instructors’ videos suggest drills, though they don’t help much. I really like how you think about the turns, although there’s not much new there as all the pros have been doing the same for years. Can you please help your viewers like me who are advanced recreational skiers to get to the high separation and edge angles? I have talked with a number of ex pros who have said that if you don’t learn how to do that when you’re really young you will probably never be able to. Thoughts on that? I imagine it might be hard for you pros to understand that.
The pressure to the outside ski needs to go against the “wall” you need your momentum pointing towards the “wall” for there to be any pressure to put against it. If the other instructors drills don’t help much then why do you want me to suggest more drills that don’t work. Drills suck… You can get the separation, keep trying. I do my best to cover one thing at a time. This video is just one piece. Get out there and give it a try
@ I’m guessing that you are referring to the momentum at the end of the turn as the wall. I can imagine pushing my leg out against that, and the only way to get any grip is to angulate and dig in the edge. Why am I saying this??? Can you please try to explain what is needed to get where you’re at? I would really love that because I think you may be a decent communicator if you can get some solid ideas together to communicate to your viewers.
@@billiselin5718 I answered your question in my other comment here. It's not from pushing but rather taking advantage of the physics of parabolic skis which reduce in radius with higher edge angle. The "pressure" is not from any pushing, but results from conservation of angular momentum in form of centrifugal force. I haven't seen anyone else explain this physics properly anywhere else, even in the couple ski "physics" book out there.
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11:02, 13:41 is the dream. So much work to do. Thanks for all you do!
Really helpful!
Out there ripping arcs already?
Top tier content as always!!
Looking forward to get on snow again teaching and practice for my exams.
Thanks for everything, keep up the good work!
Cheers from Sweden
Actually the "trick" to higher angles is either 1. the Instagram cheating method of braking to generate force/pressure which also generates spray but kills speed, or 2. the world cup method of pulling radius by dropping the hip *without dropping the shoulder* nearly as much, ie. increasing angulation. The latter works because the resulting increase in edge angle correspondingly decreases sidecut radius, which increases angular velocity/centrifugal force (that "pressure" Ski-Dad talks about) due to conservation of angular momentum. The angle your body can maintain vs the hill is direct result of centrifugal force.
So he is correct there's increased pressure, but it's not pressure generated by "pushing harder" as some claim, but consequence of reducing radius of parabolic skis.
Oh wow, that Tycoon trail (07:31) is a LOT steeper than I had imagined it would be. That looks quite the challenge for an intermediate run.
Your a great skier, Way to technical with your explanations. All great skiers have there own style. Who is to say right or wrong works for them. Have fun skiing.
Maybe too technical for you, but some of us enjoy the hell out of nerdy tech on body actions in a ski turn. Not everything is made for you.
Your just not an Advanced skier ⛷️ 😂
So im thinking the pressure on the outside ski is generated from the proper speed coming into the turn and angulating the ski more? And not actually pushing outward on the outside ski? It's the centrifugal force generated by the speed and digging in the ski with that high angle?
Yes, well put!
@@skidadTV thanks! It's a great feeling to experience that whip effect of the forces of physics when you get it right! 👊 Felt it last year for the first time. Can't wait for this February to take up where I left off in Snowmass!
@@swingman50 Yes, increasing angulation reduces subtended radius of parabolic sidecut skis, which increases centrifugal/centripetal force when momentum is conserved. I explain in bit further detail in the other comment here.
The interial forces we feel from skiing come from the direction change in our turns at speed. As you cross the hill to end your turn, your mass is fighting to go down the fallline, while your skis resist that force. If you want to build higher edge angles, speed is necessary in order to create enough force between the skis and the snow that you can build this inertial force. This is like a marble in a popcorn bowl.
Don’t think of "pressure" on the outside foot, think of percentage of body weight. Because your mass is moving, your functional weight will change as you move through time. We generate enough force from our interia and our speed down the mountain that in some moments we experience weightlessness, and others much more than gravity. The only times we need to be actively pushing into the outside ski are when we are being compressed by inertial forces, such as going over a big compression.
Awesome video Joe - Happy Thanksgiving! Shot you an email on Tuesday, hoping to get some of your fabulous feedback :)
So how do you get pressure on that outside ski?
I guess that’s the magical question that no one can answer. I watch all your videos along with many other instructors. No one has the answer. At least other instructors’ videos suggest drills, though they don’t help much.
I really like how you think about the turns, although there’s not much new there as all the pros have been doing the same for years.
Can you please help your viewers like me who are advanced recreational skiers to get to the high separation and edge angles?
I have talked with a number of ex pros who have said that if you don’t learn how to do that when you’re really young you will probably never be able to. Thoughts on that? I imagine it might be hard for you pros to understand that.
The pressure to the outside ski needs to go against the “wall” you need your momentum pointing towards the “wall” for there to be any pressure to put against it.
If the other instructors drills don’t help much then why do you want me to suggest more drills that don’t work. Drills suck…
You can get the separation, keep trying. I do my best to cover one thing at a time. This video is just one piece. Get out there and give it a try
@ I’m guessing that you are referring to the momentum at the end of the turn as the wall. I can imagine pushing my leg out against that, and the only way to get any grip is to angulate and dig in the edge. Why am I saying this??? Can you please try to explain what is needed to get where you’re at? I would really love that because I think you may be a decent communicator if you can get some solid ideas together to communicate to your viewers.
@ and I agree drills suck.
Send me a video and I’ll give you specific advice for your skiing. dunn83@gmail.com
@@billiselin5718 I answered your question in my other comment here. It's not from pushing but rather taking advantage of the physics of parabolic skis which reduce in radius with higher edge angle. The "pressure" is not from any pushing, but results from conservation of angular momentum in form of centrifugal force. I haven't seen anyone else explain this physics properly anywhere else, even in the couple ski "physics" book out there.