@@105Strike105 Ah the system to trick idiots to do free labour. Where people bank points and new members can never catch up, as "priority" loot goes to whoever has the highest. Don't forget the "free" points leaders and officers get. The loot system being individual (before it forced loot option.. Horrible) was a blessing with strangers in pugs and shit guilds. And than they wonder "jeez, why won't anyone join our guild? It is just that they can't roll on anything and we 100 points ahead of them, so we can just "minbid" everything". No Gdkp was trash; it was made to trick gullible fools to "Show up" so the "most dedicated" would get all the loot; it was a system to get enough "goons" to fill the 40-man slot. It is as good as any "membership reward card" system with the same allure to make you feel good for at least getting some "points". Or you could just be a proper guild that can just use "roll", and if someone got loot twice, gentleman agreement that they can be asked to give it to someone that got nothing (Spoiler: this is how you filter out the "rats". If they would pass up loot when they already got some for someone else, that is the guy you want in your main raid group. They respect people and are not being a selfish rat)
@@105Strike105 the concept of GDKPs is so fucking dogshit unless you're either buy gold or actively farm it. If you only raid-log on one toon finding a good soft-res pug in your server is literally superior in every way plus doesn't promote RMT. I'd rather lose my item to unlucky rolls than to some cunt who pay2wins a 20 year old game.
@@105Strike105 GDKP exposes a few things with these toxic casual boomerdad/classic andy redditors type (and they're intrinsically linked). One is that they hardcore seethe about a system that directly incorporate accountability into what you get out of it, and the other is that they still idolized raid gear/loot as the be all end all reward of raiding, which is why they hardcore seethe about the "goldbuying oiler" boogieman buying all of their BIS loots. They miss the "good old days" where they can mooch from the people that put in the work and get fed their trophies off the luck of the draw, and forcing accountabilities and expecting basic performance level is """optimizing the fun out of the game""""". The goldbuying oiler boogieman also is a reflection of their work ethic, they can't envision having gold without buying, because obviously how much they have is the standard for all players (playing the AH is also for sweats).
all video games have these people it is not exclusive to wow, but it is heavy in MMOs as these people are trapped in escapism and addictive behavior. they are almost always enabled by family members and likely abusive towards those enablers. you can tell this by how they handle any conflict at all in the game world. it is exponentially worse in their real life
@Ruintek Nah, it is ESPECIALLY the case for WoW, any game that is the biggest in their genre is going to attract the biggest no life, no skill losers.
It's not so bad. I used to play EVE Online like 10 years ago and it was 100x worse than what's described in this video. The "control freak" mentality was turned up to an 11. They justify it with the fact that PVP losses in EVE are permanent, but there are no stakes high enough in a video game to justify that kind of behavior.
Guild drama is the most nostalgic part of WoW for me. No matter how much wow changes, I always love to see that there’s still people that rage at this game, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I’m glad you were able to find a new guild asap and I hope that guild is 1000% better and more chill than what you went through.
17:30 this is unbelievably common I have watched housewives literally destroy there marriage over online young dudes.....some even underage wow is a bastion for disgruntled housewives/unhappy husbands.
This shit is horrible in Retail. If I don’t join a guild I get harassed in the middle of a M+ or a raid with constant auto invites in the middle of the fucking screen you have to manually exit out of. Shits stupid.
Hearing you talk about the interpersonal drama and shockingly low levels of social aptitude from middle aged people reminded me of my first major guild experience way back in WotLK. It was a guild called Dark Resurrection on the Trollbane server and the entire officer crew was entirely made up of early 40's to 50's people. I remember one officer would often throw temper tantrums in guild chat that not enough people responded to her and nobody was ever happy to see her log on, and one day began randomly kicking people, including raiders, during one such tantrum. She absolutely hated someone that became a close friend of mine in the guild because she was a straight up better healer than her. In this same guild we also had a 50 year old woman leave her husband to move in with another guild member in his late 20's, and another pair of people in their 40's leave their respective partners to also hook up. One lady was way too willing to discuss fetish stuff openly in the guild chat (often talked about how much she loved being flogged, she was in her 50's btw) The guild leader quit because he got bored of the game and left the guild to his wife, who was even more incompetent than he was. I remember trying to do ToC, and just strafing to avoid the yeti charging and one shotting you was more mechanics than any of the officers were capable of. The close friends I had made in that guild, most of whom I'm still very close with today and who were the only fairly competent raiders all gave notices to the GM's wife that we had decided to move on but would leave our alts and still be willing to help out with the raids if they needed us, but the next day I logged on and another friend still in the guild told me she had logged on that morning and saw our mails and that we had left and had a meltdown on Ventrilo and kicked our alts and anyone she even thought was friends with any of us. Again, this was a lady well into adulthood. But like you said, at least we still have the friends we were able to make back then, and it's always fun to reminisce about these super odd microcosms of mid-life crisis condensed into an MMO!
@@Arkain89 Because observing maladjusted manchildren throwing temper tantrums surprises no one. The social expectation is that women will be more responsible, it's a double standard, get with the program.
my experience with "leveling and PvP" guilds is that the majority of them are just a cult of personality around the officers, they are like a high school lunch room, filled with drama, and cliques. the RL/GM you talk about in this video, every one of these guilds has one, and most of the time they have some kind of substance abuse problem, and think the louder they talk the more right they are
that and they always bring of politics out of nowhere, so cringe like we can't just play the game and talk mechanics without getting pissed at real life
In my guild in 2020 Classic Era, our GM was absolutely hammered during every raid. Our loot system was entirely GM-led, who would decide based on ?? who deserved each piece of loot. The decisions became more unpredictable the more drunk he became. Typically raids ended with him crying hysterically about people's criticisms. At the end of the night it was a race to leave the Discord ASAP so's not to be the last one on channel with him and get ensnared in his gin-drunk hysterical tyrades. It was a wonderful time and I'd do it again.
as someone that only cries when drunk, that guy needed help, unfortunate that he was the gm because that probably made it impossible for anyone to help him for fear of being kicked.
I joined back in légion my formerly top 10-50 guild in the World with the guys from past eras just doing chill heroic raiding. Half the raid was stoned/drunk including me, it was very chill and no drama. Turns out it matters much more who IS doing it, than the action of doing it. Of course this Is a group of former hardcore players that are actually good AT the game.
Hahahahaha I was in this guild!! Warcraft Inc on Wild Growth. Did one sunken temple with them and holy shit it was a shit show. Got the hell out of dodge.
Well... I was in some guild where officer demoted me because did not wanted nothing with him to have even got message in inbox how he is tired of girls who want just to be friends with him xDDD But that was just peak of drama, shitshow was in that guild.
If this was retail mythic raiding I'd say healer prep is decent to go over damage events, assigning cooldown timings in the spreadsheet, things like that. But this is a level 45 leveling dungeon ffs 💀
@@RansomtheRich They all just give up and say "It's a pre-made". Then give up. Then a few are like FU loser, we're fighting. This is every fkin BG I was in. Then the entire BG you are told what a moron you all are and how pathetic you are, even if you are winning. Then when you tell these pieces of shit to stfu they report you from multiple accounts and then your account is banned. Yea, done. I couldn't fkin run from this game fast enough. It is the definition of Cancer. Such a shame, the game is awesome but the community is such shit.
it really attracts the worst in the playerbase for a number of reasons. were it not for a solid core of friends from SoM/wrath forming my guild i would have quit ages ago
You know. I do this for fun. My main is a warlock, but I have a pally, rogue, and priest alt all in different guilds purely to watch bad players be bad because it’s fun. You’re not wrong tho. The higher skill players are usually silent. Always, leveling, raiding, farming, silent. It’s the bad ones that talk themselves up
I do the same exact thing on Era. I love pugging runs because of the insane and hilarious shit that hppens. The degen runs almost always provide content.
Bro. The detail of dropping the "hey i kinda sperged re: discord" disclaimer and time skip... idk how to quite word this. But it is just a brilliant and "care about my audience" move. I see you.
Every guild discord is made expecting to get the same activity as a trending reddit thread. 99.99% of them are just pure silence except for raid signup and a ruleset posted 3 years ago.
Ugh man- That Discord gave me a damn migraine lmao. Even if it wasn’t Discord the STATE of that server was all I needed to see to know how fucked the guild was lmao
This is just like every guild in my experience ever since release in '04. The vast majority of guilds call themselves 'casual' and the officers/leaders all know each other previously, have a bunch of inside jokes and conversations, don't take anyone else who wants to be a bigger part of the guild seriously and everything is taken as a personal attack no matter how obviously playful or concerning. There is always one or two of the leaders/officers who are proficient at the game and everyone has to ignore the obvious fact that the loudest and most disrespectful in the raid/guild is the worst player there. Sounds pretty par for the course. Wish I had documented some of my experiences, they were a lot of fun and have a lot of crazy dramas and stories to come out of them.
I joined a mythic raid in remix a couple of weeks ago. Then all of a sudden I am raid leader and the original one left the group. People are asking me for invites ect. It was not untill after the 1st boss that I got some one attention in chat that I knew nothing about leading a raid ect.. they showed me how to hand it off to them and the rest goes smoothly because we are so over powered in remix. I only raided a few times in the last 20 years. I have seen guilds come and go and watch some implode and break up as a marriage fell apart in real life. Years ago I had some people be toxic so I have been uneasy doing raids ect. I do plan to raid in the next expansion because remix has given me some hope lol.
Im SICK AND TIRED of discord being an intergral part of wow and nearly all games. NO I dont want to join your discord. They always get all passive aggressive and whiny if you dont want to join it. WHY do you want everyone to join so bad? Oh yeah, because uh we "need to communicate for raids!", we dont need discord for that and we will also cross that bridge when we get to it. nearly everyone before 60 is not raiding, so the whole guild minus 5 people in my case. There are simple tools for voice chat i'd be happy to use when we group up, but they wont even consider it. Am I the only one that doesnt want to use discord???
I fkin hate Discord. No I dont want to join your fkin Discord, I want to play the fkin game without hearing some whiny ass talking. Nothing ruins MMO immersion quicker for me than a fkin Discord channel. Plus, how many fkin bells and whistles does a fkin teamspeak need? What a pos fkin program. These assholes are such losers they base their life over how big their fkin Discord channel is. Pathetic.
Casual guilds are the worst. I played in almost all top 10 french guilds on retail, only 1 or 2 have actually a toxic athmosphere. On SoD I was casual, all fucking guilds were super toxic while being very bad at the game. That made me quit SoD.
This is why you avoid the mass invite guilds like the plague. There are casual levelling guilds that are worth joining but they're usually not using the mass invite addons. Mine was a lot of fun but sadly will likely be closing its own doors in the next few days as people's interests move on and we can't maintain the numbers for 20 player raiding. We certainly never had the kinds of problems you've displayed though. It's completely unnecessary to behave the way these people did.
WoW has always had a lot of ego attached. If it wasn't your gear it was your build, class choice, what mount you have, to how much time you have to play. Every guild experience I had in that game was negative, after a while I stopped joining them in any MMO.
I know that guild, it's Warcraft Inc - WildGrowth. Pyro is an Officier in that guild, and he is an elitist without the parse numbers. I left that guild since that guy was toxic to new guildies. And the GM thing is true too. The gm has a temper. He can be cool with you, but if you mess up a raid mechanic that gm will sht talk you down infront of everyone. He will make you feel stupid. But Pyro makes the guild look bad. Someone needs to tell him to humble himself with new guildies, and work on his parses. I was in the guild before, but left. If you are a legit raider, then don't raid with these guys. Too much politics, and favortism in that guild.
I played SOD during Phase 1 as Rogue and got to max level and started raiding BFD. I missed the first two wipes when the raid opened, but I got put into a raid group that had already cleared the raid in the week prior. I'm a previous mythic raider in retail and the mechanics and raid were pretty easy, I had watched videos but was seeing the mechanics for the first time so first kill was to learn for me. But the raid was already on farm status and everyone just came to parse on the fights and get loot. I was one of two "Kicks" (spell interrupts) for the Kelris fight. My raid leader was a priest who could cleanse the Shadowy Chains debuff but wipe after wipe if there was a missed kick for whatever reason he would get really upset during the fight and flip out at me and would pull me into a private channel in discord after the fight to discuss it. He would demand Mind Blasts get kicked but also would rage if shadowy chains was missed. If the boss got moved and I would get sent into Kelris' phase 1 dream realm sleep phase thing, I wouldn't be able to kick chains, but our other interrupt would, but sometimes they would miss it since its a fast cast. Sometimes I was just coming out of the dream phase and had to sprint over and would barely miss it. Either way, raid and fights were easy and we had it farmed. I had to pull up warcraft logs and show him everyone else's mistakes or other issues that caused missed kicks - but it really wasnt a big deal at all, it was an easy fight/raid. He was simply mad that he had to cleanse instead of heal for MUH PARSE. I played a little of phase 2 but didn't even attempt to raid with them, and got burned out when I realized my choice was raid with people like that or do the insanely poorly designed, laggy pvp event in STV. I quit.
I have WOW again after a few years and it is surprising how many big CHILDREN there are inside. They have an ego that surprises me, people over 30 years old. but full of people like that, with these shortcomings.
Idk about anyone else but in wotlk classic discord and obsession was heavy . I was theory crafting 24/7 and listening to guides at work I was living the game. All those prep channels and teams made sense to me idk. We planned everything out and we’re always talking. I wish I didn’t stop playing we were blasting ulda faster than anyone else and then my dad died . Sometimes you don’t realize how good it is
Dark weird cult like gamers near top tier. Gotta dodge the garbage and stay solid as u can. Ill only play retail. I wasnt nostalgic yet for wow. Classic was way too early. Offen narcissistic, arrogant, sociopathic type of people. They will refuse true reason if they think it serves some purpose for them. I kinda scoffed at these types of people and found another way to play.
Gotta say sod was fun*, but the game is just trash. Low population and toxic pugs makes it a waste of time. Save yourself the trouble and play anything else.
Yea, that's one thing that nobody ever talks about when it comes to WoW, the creepy, thirsty af older/married women who go out of their way to treat WoW like it's E-Harmony.
Classic always feels really hit or miss when it comes to douche bags. As a person in their 40's it really is typically my age group. Like they think they are better due to years of gaming but then they also almost all quit retail when content became actually challenging lol. Then will tell you about their classic parses .... Like I play pretty much every version of the game so I'm not throwing shade. Just comes off so super hilarious when you actually come from doing even just things like mid end keys or heroic raiding in current retail. People in that actual content aren't nearly as toxic.
I once griefed world buffs and passed on BiS pre raid loot which got me kicked out of exactly such a guild, logged in half a year later and people were still angry about it. Got blacklisted on every discord on the server. Wow is truly the best game for living out your worst life. And if you don't leave a single piece of cheese or mushroom in the solid chests you find, just so the next person who finds it gets disapointed, i cant take you seriously as a wow player, becouse it means you take yourself serious as a wow player🤡
Not sure why but this vid made me a bit nostalgic to go visit and be a voyeur in the degeneracy that is SOD leveling guilds on some alts lol. It’s fun to be an OT and just have a laugh once in awhile.
When I got 80 in Wrath Classic I wanted to raid, so I whispered the 3rd guild ad in trade chat. Somehow this turned out to be one of the best guilds i've ever randomly joined. Small group of IRL friends mixed with their longtime online buddies and a few randoms like me. They raided twice a week, were chill, and actually prioritized giving gear to members that needed it. I was the only Ret pally so I got beefy within a few weeks. Raids went super smooth as the GM and the officers were absolute pumpers. We went all the way to Ulduar 25 man, cleared it a few times, then the guild just died overnight. Not even upset, it was the best feverdream of a guild ive had since OG Wrath days.
Honestly as a 26 year old thats about to have to work 2 weeks without more than 24 hours between 8 10 hour shifts....I can't imagine letting anyone shout at me or berate me for a shiny item. Period. Like I get people make mistakes, and raids can be pressure cookers. But singling people out and attacking them does NOT make them get better at the game, but dig in their heels and REFUSE to listen. It's always better to pull them to the side, politely discuss the issue and how to best help them clear the hurdle. Treat a person like a person, giving them the chance to grow instead of public shaming for mistakes in a video game. Tell me I'm wrong.
Lmao nothing is more annoying in retail than doing a M+ or a raid on a guildless alt only to be met with guild auto invite spams in the middle of a boss.
Every version of wow is beyond toxic. What a shit community it is. Ever try battlegrounds? The toxicity doesn't get any worse in any game I ever played. Then lets add in multiboxing. Fuck this game. It was always a shitshow back in 2007 but now it is insufferable.
so sad to see that new player run into this aholes, not knowing what great feeling it is to have a "good" guild. aswome video. super interessting topic.
Eerrrrwggghhhhhhh tons of drama in this guild . So I join and show them how they’re not being toxic elitist scum by s-ing on every single minute detail. I’m on TH-cam so I’m not an overgrown baby living in my mom’s basement or a crappy apartment playing a 20 year old video game. I’m special. Derrhghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Insane . 10 years ago everyone would have you looked at you guys like you were the BIGGEST L on the planet. Now they band together as banner lords sharing their entropy
leveling guilds are exclusively useful for expansions with guild bonuses like in cata or mop mass ress, less rep costs, more xp, rep, mount speed and more before you leave for a raiding guild i cant comprehend why anyone would ever join these guilds for any other reason
That is not a casual guild. That is terry bad hardcore guild. Many like to call them selves casuals while investing time in what would hardcore people would. They don't call them selves hardcore because they cannot clear the content they want. And because they cannot acknowledge that why they cannot do that.
Your experience is pretty common I think, you just dug a little deeper. This shit happens in retail too. My mythic raid guild GM had a habit of sharing way too much about the sex she was having with her boyfriend, who was also a co-GM/officer. I really don't know who wanted to listen to it or who was even asking, it was extremely cringe every time, was never really funny either.
Oh man, I left my era guild because they have everything on HR and it’s hard to get gear. I asked them to reconsider this because it reduces motivation to guild raid as pugs usually don’t have so many HRs. They ridiculed me in the next raid. I told them I was leaving, thinking I’d be better off pugging. They got angry and kicked me from the discord server
Honestly while people expect theres lots of elitism / putting people down in "serious" raiding guilds, from my experience of being in server 1st / sweaty parsing guides and more casual guilds, most of the time the "tryhard" guides are more respectful, relaxed and less bitchy. People perform a lot better and are willing to put in more effort when they arent walking on eggshells expecting they will get their heads bitten off for a mistake. Atmosphere goes a long way in raid performance. The problem is usually the best officers / GMs are people who dont even want to do those roles as they dont get a power / ego trip from being in those positions. you can tell the GM in this vid was one with a superiority complex 😬
I started doing classic with a leveling guild that wanted to transition to a raiding guild, but I knew it was doomed simply because I was literally the only tank in the guild. Any dungeon that the guild wanted to do as a full guild run, I HAD to be there. I wanted to DPS but I knew in the first few weeks, tanks would be hard to come by and I was promised we would get replacements so I could DPS. We recruit another Warrior and I thought the weight on my shoulders would be over, I would actually be able to take breaks without the guild dying, but no, he promised he would tank but resigned himself for DPS. And even if he did tank, he refused to make a tank set and was also just really really bad. I eventually just burned out because I felt like I had to live in the game to get anything going. I had the classic blunder of being too competent at a role I was just filling for and got stuck. Not to mention, the GM wanted to bring back DKP, make DKP charts for random fill ins, and no matter how many times we protested, he refused to budge from this. And no, he himself didn't want to manage it with no volunteers.
If you think this is bad, you should see this raid scene in Tarisland, these Mofos literally run a single boss battle and it call it a raid, blow up over a single missed mechanic.. It really is worth your time if you find shit like this interesting.
I saw recruit spam for this guild a few weeks ago and instantly clocked them as toxic based only on the name. There’s a zero percent chance a guild called is filled with anything other than overgrown 13 year olds
Just to clarify, this video isn't talking about Hog Crankers or Sinners Domain, I purposely left the guild name out of the video as much as I could
What did you expect, joining guilds with those names?
@@Edvanhealen😂
I was in hog crankers in WOTLK they are pretty decent players. So I figured it wasn’t about them. 😂
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Once you joined a guild and start raiding or doing anything that drops loot. You realize why there's war in the world
That's why gdkp was best. Gear drops and everyone is like it's all yours bro take it
@@105Strike105 Then we realize why capitalism exists too. WoW, explaining world since 2004
@@105Strike105 Ah the system to trick idiots to do free labour. Where people bank points and new members can never catch up, as "priority" loot goes to whoever has the highest. Don't forget the "free" points leaders and officers get. The loot system being individual (before it forced loot option.. Horrible) was a blessing with strangers in pugs and shit guilds. And than they wonder "jeez, why won't anyone join our guild? It is just that they can't roll on anything and we 100 points ahead of them, so we can just "minbid" everything". No Gdkp was trash; it was made to trick gullible fools to "Show up" so the "most dedicated" would get all the loot; it was a system to get enough "goons" to fill the 40-man slot. It is as good as any "membership reward card" system with the same allure to make you feel good for at least getting some "points".
Or you could just be a proper guild that can just use "roll", and if someone got loot twice, gentleman agreement that they can be asked to give it to someone that got nothing (Spoiler: this is how you filter out the "rats". If they would pass up loot when they already got some for someone else, that is the guy you want in your main raid group. They respect people and are not being a selfish rat)
@@105Strike105 the concept of GDKPs is so fucking dogshit unless you're either buy gold or actively farm it. If you only raid-log on one toon finding a good soft-res pug in your server is literally superior in every way plus doesn't promote RMT. I'd rather lose my item to unlucky rolls than to some cunt who pay2wins a 20 year old game.
@@105Strike105 GDKP exposes a few things with these toxic casual boomerdad/classic andy redditors type (and they're intrinsically linked). One is that they hardcore seethe about a system that directly incorporate accountability into what you get out of it, and the other is that they still idolized raid gear/loot as the be all end all reward of raiding, which is why they hardcore seethe about the "goldbuying oiler" boogieman buying all of their BIS loots. They miss the "good old days" where they can mooch from the people that put in the work and get fed their trophies off the luck of the draw, and forcing accountabilities and expecting basic performance level is """optimizing the fun out of the game""""". The goldbuying oiler boogieman also is a reflection of their work ethic, they can't envision having gold without buying, because obviously how much they have is the standard for all players (playing the AH is also for sweats).
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@@shabadabadabada5133this dude needs subway surfers in the background to watch shorts.
@@shabadabadabada5133 3 inches is MASSIVELY long.
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@@shabadabadabada5133 enough to fall asleep to.
Many wow players are the biggest adults losers I have ever come across
dota 2 players too xd imagen playing game half of your life and never improve yourself xD
all video games have these people it is not exclusive to wow, but it is heavy in MMOs as these people are trapped in escapism and addictive behavior. they are almost always enabled by family members and likely abusive towards those enablers. you can tell this by how they handle any conflict at all in the game world. it is exponentially worse in their real life
@Ruintek Nah, it is ESPECIALLY the case for WoW, any game that is the biggest in their genre is going to attract the biggest no life, no skill losers.
Just wait until you find out about second life or FFXIV.
It's not so bad. I used to play EVE Online like 10 years ago and it was 100x worse than what's described in this video. The "control freak" mentality was turned up to an 11. They justify it with the fact that PVP losses in EVE are permanent, but there are no stakes high enough in a video game to justify that kind of behavior.
Guild drama is the most nostalgic part of WoW for me. No matter how much wow changes, I always love to see that there’s still people that rage at this game, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
I’m glad you were able to find a new guild asap and I hope that guild is 1000% better and more chill than what you went through.
Yeah I personally love it. It's not like any of the drama matters, they're just people on the world wide web who I'll never meet
Last guild i was in reminded me why I don't do guilds anymore. Tl;dr, the guild leader turned out to be a total creep.
Can't wait for the content vampires to show up. Hi Asmon!
pls no
Asmon would boost this mf up from just 27k views
weird take. asmon reviewing something is guaranteed to 10x+ your content
@@billyumbraskey8135 sure it does and what is the quality of that viewership if he goes wow look at this fucking morons video everyone
@@billyumbraskey8135 Oh boy, 10x your content with cringy weirdoes.
17:30 this is unbelievably common I have watched housewives literally destroy there marriage over online young dudes.....some even underage wow is a bastion for disgruntled housewives/unhappy husbands.
Raiding in a mass invite lvling guild ? Madness I tell you!
they need to ban the auto guild invite addon
For reallllllll - I've been invited by the same one prob 50 times on my bank alt. annoying and inconsiderate
This shit is horrible in Retail. If I don’t join a guild I get harassed in the middle of a M+ or a raid with constant auto invites in the middle of the fucking screen you have to manually exit out of. Shits stupid.
@@gregjross852 i mean you could just turn the setting off on your side so you dont get the spam instead of letting it in just to cry about it
In retail there is something in settings where you can turn it off but yeah if you can’t do anything about it, it sucks.
Nah the setting exists in SOD too
Hearing you talk about the interpersonal drama and shockingly low levels of social aptitude from middle aged people reminded me of my first major guild experience way back in WotLK. It was a guild called Dark Resurrection on the Trollbane server and the entire officer crew was entirely made up of early 40's to 50's people. I remember one officer would often throw temper tantrums in guild chat that not enough people responded to her and nobody was ever happy to see her log on, and one day began randomly kicking people, including raiders, during one such tantrum. She absolutely hated someone that became a close friend of mine in the guild because she was a straight up better healer than her. In this same guild we also had a 50 year old woman leave her husband to move in with another guild member in his late 20's, and another pair of people in their 40's leave their respective partners to also hook up. One lady was way too willing to discuss fetish stuff openly in the guild chat (often talked about how much she loved being flogged, she was in her 50's btw) The guild leader quit because he got bored of the game and left the guild to his wife, who was even more incompetent than he was. I remember trying to do ToC, and just strafing to avoid the yeti charging and one shotting you was more mechanics than any of the officers were capable of. The close friends I had made in that guild, most of whom I'm still very close with today and who were the only fairly competent raiders all gave notices to the GM's wife that we had decided to move on but would leave our alts and still be willing to help out with the raids if they needed us, but the next day I logged on and another friend still in the guild told me she had logged on that morning and saw our mails and that we had left and had a meltdown on Ventrilo and kicked our alts and anyone she even thought was friends with any of us. Again, this was a lady well into adulthood. But like you said, at least we still have the friends we were able to make back then, and it's always fun to reminisce about these super odd microcosms of mid-life crisis condensed into an MMO!
Holy shit thats absolutely wild, you could make an entire video about that honestly
it's funny that you're talking about women exclusively while i'm positive everyone has a hundred times more stories to tell about manchildren
@@Arkain89 Because observing maladjusted manchildren throwing temper tantrums surprises no one. The social expectation is that women will be more responsible, it's a double standard, get with the program.
@@Arkain89 Women can act like children too. This is their experience they are sharing.
@@johnathan5906 thank you for this useless reaction that i will hang on the fridge
my experience with "leveling and PvP" guilds is that the majority of them are just a cult of personality around the officers, they are like a high school lunch room, filled with drama, and cliques.
the RL/GM you talk about in this video, every one of these guilds has one, and most of the time they have some kind of substance abuse problem, and think the louder they talk the more right they are
Reminds me of Donald Trump
Rather have mean tweets than bad economy, inflation, and Biden’s near WW3
that and they always bring of politics out of nowhere, so cringe like we can't just play the game and talk mechanics without getting pissed at real life
@@Giggles4692things were better and much cheaper under Obama, does that mean trump messed up the economy?
King Batman Trump has never taken a sip of the naughty water@@Forsaken66666
In my guild in 2020 Classic Era, our GM was absolutely hammered during every raid. Our loot system was entirely GM-led, who would decide based on ?? who deserved each piece of loot. The decisions became more unpredictable the more drunk he became.
Typically raids ended with him crying hysterically about people's criticisms. At the end of the night it was a race to leave the Discord ASAP so's not to be the last one on channel with him and get ensnared in his gin-drunk hysterical tyrades.
It was a wonderful time and I'd do it again.
as someone that only cries when drunk, that guy needed help, unfortunate that he was the gm because that probably made it impossible for anyone to help him for fear of being kicked.
@@eatme123-g8y Valid point. I did encourage him to seek help, which I believe he did in the end (redacted that from the story).
I used to be this type of guy like 4 years ago, hope he's doing better now.
I joined back in légion my formerly top 10-50 guild in the World with the guys from past eras just doing chill heroic raiding. Half the raid was stoned/drunk including me, it was very chill and no drama. Turns out it matters much more who IS doing it, than the action of doing it. Of course this Is a group of former hardcore players that are actually good AT the game.
Excuse me, where's my big heals button?
😂😂😂😂
Hahahahaha I was in this guild!! Warcraft Inc on Wild Growth. Did one sunken temple with them and holy shit it was a shit show. Got the hell out of dodge.
does anyone have advice for farming ghost mushrooms ?
yep ofc, please ask me I have methods to share.
Hi can we move PM so we can get to the good stuff?
those discords are weird, a million tabs no one posts in.
except their awful food posts
Well... I was in some guild where officer demoted me because did not wanted nothing with him to have even got message in inbox how he is tired of girls who want just to be friends with him xDDD But that was just peak of drama, shitshow was in that guild.
If this was retail mythic raiding I'd say healer prep is decent to go over damage events, assigning cooldown timings in the spreadsheet, things like that. But this is a level 45 leveling dungeon ffs 💀
SOD is the most toxic environment I’ve ever been in other than league of legends.
Ever try SOD battlegrounds? Insufferable.
@@DavidJames-g5f yeah it’s literally the worst I hate SOD. And it’s literally only because of the people that play it
@@RansomtheRich They all just give up and say "It's a pre-made". Then give up. Then a few are like FU loser, we're fighting. This is every fkin BG I was in. Then the entire BG you are told what a moron you all are and how pathetic you are, even if you are winning. Then when you tell these pieces of shit to stfu they report you from multiple accounts and then your account is banned. Yea, done. I couldn't fkin run from this game fast enough. It is the definition of Cancer. Such a shame, the game is awesome but the community is such shit.
I've had worse experience in SoD than league, least in league its over after 30-40 minutes.
it really attracts the worst in the playerbase for a number of reasons. were it not for a solid core of friends from SoM/wrath forming my guild i would have quit ages ago
Now this is the content I enjoy. I hope you posted this in their discord
It would be hard to find in all those channels. Lol
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Can we get some of the juicy discord clips. Old school skype and vent rage clips are the best.
Yes please. I need to hear this rage
Im sorry gamer, i only have tiny heals and tiny dps 😢
stop making me laugh
you are now officially banned from leveling guilds!
You blinked wrong and now you are at lost xp/hr or dps.
For this transgression you will find yourself castrated tomorrow morning.
"Casual elitism" is vey much a toxic profile of player in nostalgia fuelled games
The personality to make officer channels, have them locked, but make them visible...
Bro spent 2 months around people he disliked. Wowza
i love the discord section of this specific video so much xD
You know. I do this for fun. My main is a warlock, but I have a pally, rogue, and priest alt all in different guilds purely to watch bad players be bad because it’s fun.
You’re not wrong tho. The higher skill players are usually silent. Always, leveling, raiding, farming, silent. It’s the bad ones that talk themselves up
I do the same exact thing on Era. I love pugging runs because of the insane and hilarious shit that hppens. The degen runs almost always provide content.
Bro. The detail of dropping the "hey i kinda sperged re: discord" disclaimer and time skip... idk how to quite word this. But it is just a brilliant and "care about my audience" move. I see you.
Every guild discord is made expecting to get the same activity as a trending reddit thread.
99.99% of them are just pure silence except for raid signup and a ruleset posted 3 years ago.
Glad my guilds the .01%
This isn't even close to true. Your internet addiction is a joke
Classic WoW servers are just a retirement home for +35 yr old people who want to relieve the good ol' days in the worst ways possible
Wrong
agree 👍🏿
my old guild in black desert reminds me alot of this situation you were in lmfao thank god i didnt do anything large scale with them
Ugh man- That Discord gave me a damn migraine lmao. Even if it wasn’t Discord the STATE of that server was all I needed to see to know how fucked the guild was lmao
This is just like every guild in my experience ever since release in '04. The vast majority of guilds call themselves 'casual' and the officers/leaders all know each other previously, have a bunch of inside jokes and conversations, don't take anyone else who wants to be a bigger part of the guild seriously and everything is taken as a personal attack no matter how obviously playful or concerning. There is always one or two of the leaders/officers who are proficient at the game and everyone has to ignore the obvious fact that the loudest and most disrespectful in the raid/guild is the worst player there. Sounds pretty par for the course. Wish I had documented some of my experiences, they were a lot of fun and have a lot of crazy dramas and stories to come out of them.
I joined a mythic raid in remix a couple of weeks ago. Then all of a sudden I am raid leader and the original one left the group. People are asking me for invites ect. It was not untill after the 1st boss that I got some one attention in chat that I knew nothing about leading a raid ect.. they showed me how to hand it off to them and the rest goes smoothly because we are so over powered in remix. I only raided a few times in the last 20 years. I have seen guilds come and go and watch some implode and break up as a marriage fell apart in real life. Years ago I had some people be toxic so I have been uneasy doing raids ect. I do plan to raid in the next expansion because remix has given me some hope lol.
WTF is a “leveling” guild?
You dont want to know.
I'm an officer in a Raiding guild, I'm kinda just winging it, but everyone is having fun doing dungeons and raids, so it's not all that bad.
Im SICK AND TIRED of discord being an intergral part of wow and nearly all games. NO I dont want to join your discord. They always get all passive aggressive and whiny if you dont want to join it. WHY do you want everyone to join so bad? Oh yeah, because uh we "need to communicate for raids!", we dont need discord for that and we will also cross that bridge when we get to it. nearly everyone before 60 is not raiding, so the whole guild minus 5 people in my case. There are simple tools for voice chat i'd be happy to use when we group up, but they wont even consider it. Am I the only one that doesnt want to use discord???
Ok boomer
yes ur the only one catch up with the fucking times u caveman boomer andy
as seen in the video and the replies to you, discord is for literal children and man children. it is absolutely cancerous
I fkin hate Discord. No I dont want to join your fkin Discord, I want to play the fkin game without hearing some whiny ass talking. Nothing ruins MMO immersion quicker for me than a fkin Discord channel. Plus, how many fkin bells and whistles does a fkin teamspeak need? What a pos fkin program. These assholes are such losers they base their life over how big their fkin Discord channel is. Pathetic.
Casual guilds are the worst. I played in almost all top 10 french guilds on retail, only 1 or 2 have actually a toxic athmosphere. On SoD I was casual, all fucking guilds were super toxic while being very bad at the game. That made me quit SoD.
Not all I created a few casual guilds on Classic and private servers and all went good chill.
This is why you avoid the mass invite guilds like the plague. There are casual levelling guilds that are worth joining but they're usually not using the mass invite addons. Mine was a lot of fun but sadly will likely be closing its own doors in the next few days as people's interests move on and we can't maintain the numbers for 20 player raiding. We certainly never had the kinds of problems you've displayed though. It's completely unnecessary to behave the way these people did.
i experienced this with ya drift.. don here, GREAT video!
WoW has always had a lot of ego attached. If it wasn't your gear it was your build, class choice, what mount you have, to how much time you have to play. Every guild experience I had in that game was negative, after a while I stopped joining them in any MMO.
Is that fucking rollercoaster tycoon 2 music
Hell yea it is
I know that guild, it's Warcraft Inc - WildGrowth. Pyro is an Officier in that guild, and he is an elitist without the parse numbers. I left that guild since that guy was toxic to new guildies. And the GM thing is true too. The gm has a temper. He can be cool with you, but if you mess up a raid mechanic that gm will sht talk you down infront of everyone. He will make you feel stupid. But Pyro makes the guild look bad. Someone needs to tell him to humble himself with new guildies, and work on his parses. I was in the guild before, but left. If you are a legit raider, then don't raid with these guys. Too much politics, and favortism in that guild.
I was invited to the guild and someone named buffwhat was super nice and engaging but then she randomly left and I knew something was up.
If you let those NPCs make you feel stupid for ANY reason that's just on you lmao
I played SOD during Phase 1 as Rogue and got to max level and started raiding BFD. I missed the first two wipes when the raid opened, but I got put into a raid group that had already cleared the raid in the week prior. I'm a previous mythic raider in retail and the mechanics and raid were pretty easy, I had watched videos but was seeing the mechanics for the first time so first kill was to learn for me. But the raid was already on farm status and everyone just came to parse on the fights and get loot. I was one of two "Kicks" (spell interrupts) for the Kelris fight. My raid leader was a priest who could cleanse the Shadowy Chains debuff but wipe after wipe if there was a missed kick for whatever reason he would get really upset during the fight and flip out at me and would pull me into a private channel in discord after the fight to discuss it. He would demand Mind Blasts get kicked but also would rage if shadowy chains was missed. If the boss got moved and I would get sent into Kelris' phase 1 dream realm sleep phase thing, I wouldn't be able to kick chains, but our other interrupt would, but sometimes they would miss it since its a fast cast. Sometimes I was just coming out of the dream phase and had to sprint over and would barely miss it. Either way, raid and fights were easy and we had it farmed. I had to pull up warcraft logs and show him everyone else's mistakes or other issues that caused missed kicks - but it really wasnt a big deal at all, it was an easy fight/raid.
He was simply mad that he had to cleanse instead of heal for MUH PARSE. I played a little of phase 2 but didn't even attempt to raid with them, and got burned out when I realized my choice was raid with people like that or do the insanely poorly designed, laggy pvp event in STV. I quit.
I have WOW again after a few years and it is surprising how many big CHILDREN there are inside.
They have an ego that surprises me, people over 30 years old.
but full of people like that, with these shortcomings.
When? WotLK retail.
Where? Onyxia PvP server
What guild? Uncle Toms Slave Roundup
Who was GM? Koonhunter
Good times
Idk about anyone else but in wotlk classic discord and obsession was heavy . I was theory crafting 24/7 and listening to guides at work I was living the game. All those prep channels and teams made sense to me idk. We planned everything out and we’re always talking. I wish I didn’t stop playing we were blasting ulda faster than anyone else and then my dad died . Sometimes you don’t realize how good it is
Dark weird cult like gamers near top tier. Gotta dodge the garbage and stay solid as u can. Ill only play retail. I wasnt nostalgic yet for wow. Classic was way too early. Offen narcissistic, arrogant, sociopathic type of people. They will refuse true reason if they think it serves some purpose for them. I kinda scoffed at these types of people and found another way to play.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - classic WoW, especially weird ass versions like SOD, attract the absolute worst types of players.
Stuff like this is exactly why I refuse to join any guild and raid lmao. Only guild I’m in is one with only me and my alts for guild bank access.
Hey, at least their characters have really interesting back stories.
Loved your video. Hioe to see more content like this.
I'm an officer in a horde casual guild in Stormforge MoP.
Any advise?
Gotta say sod was fun*, but the game is just trash. Low population and toxic pugs makes it a waste of time. Save yourself the trouble and play anything else.
Yea, that's one thing that nobody ever talks about when it comes to WoW, the creepy, thirsty af older/married women who go out of their way to treat WoW like it's E-Harmony.
as the years go by, often i wonder what the goblins are up to in these hallowed forgotten realms of classic wow, thank you for the update sir
this community is out of control it was bad in tbc vanilla wasn't so bad but watching SOD turn into a cesspit makes me glad i never bothered
I thought this video was going to be about guild drama, but you've been talking about discord layouts for half the video. I don't give a shit dude
i love how you put in the failed attempts at solo farming XD
Please keep playing with the guild and get more stories. Holy moly this was so fun to listen to.
This is why I hate WoW. Worst community of any MMO by far, just elitist and toxic.
As soon as I saw the dreamy sheep I knew it's gonna be a good video ❤
Also funny u use the guard icon as a pointer
Classic always feels really hit or miss when it comes to douche bags. As a person in their 40's it really is typically my age group. Like they think they are better due to years of gaming but then they also almost all quit retail when content became actually challenging lol. Then will tell you about their classic parses .... Like I play pretty much every version of the game so I'm not throwing shade. Just comes off so super hilarious when you actually come from doing even just things like mid end keys or heroic raiding in current retail. People in that actual content aren't nearly as toxic.
This is the classic experience lol.... 50dkp minus handle it 😅
No offense, but I have been playing WoW since February 2005. I have been in MANY of these guilds. I have never had a bad experience like this. 🤣
dont join guilds, just gank their alts and become a server legend.
this is why the game after 19 years is still fun for me :)
I once griefed world buffs and passed on BiS pre raid loot which got me kicked out of exactly such a guild, logged in half a year later and people were still angry about it.
Got blacklisted on every discord on the server.
Wow is truly the best game for living out your worst life.
And if you don't leave a single piece of cheese or mushroom in the solid chests you find, just so the next person who finds it gets disapointed, i cant take you seriously as a wow player, becouse it means you take yourself serious as a wow player🤡
Not sure why but this vid made me a bit nostalgic to go visit and be a voyeur in the degeneracy that is SOD leveling guilds on some alts lol. It’s fun to be an OT and just have a laugh once in awhile.
When I got 80 in Wrath Classic I wanted to raid, so I whispered the 3rd guild ad in trade chat.
Somehow this turned out to be one of the best guilds i've ever randomly joined. Small group of IRL friends mixed with their longtime online buddies and a few randoms like me. They raided twice a week, were chill, and actually prioritized giving gear to members that needed it. I was the only Ret pally so I got beefy within a few weeks. Raids went super smooth as the GM and the officers were absolute pumpers. We went all the way to Ulduar 25 man, cleared it a few times, then the guild just died overnight.
Not even upset, it was the best feverdream of a guild ive had since OG Wrath days.
Arknights player spotted.
Honestly as a 26 year old thats about to have to work 2 weeks without more than 24 hours between 8 10 hour shifts....I can't imagine letting anyone shout at me or berate me for a shiny item. Period.
Like I get people make mistakes, and raids can be pressure cookers. But singling people out and attacking them does NOT make them get better at the game, but dig in their heels and REFUSE to listen. It's always better to pull them to the side, politely discuss the issue and how to best help them clear the hurdle. Treat a person like a person, giving them the chance to grow instead of public shaming for mistakes in a video game. Tell me I'm wrong.
Lmao nothing is more annoying in retail than doing a M+ or a raid on a guildless alt only to be met with guild auto invite spams in the middle of a boss.
well, ill finish this tomorrow becasue its 5:20 am
deathnote OST
20min video
Austin Power cameo
i like this already
The amount of mass exodus events from a guild that I’ve logged on and experienced in a guild is ridiculous 😂.
FK SoD man, I went back to standard classic and classic hardcore and I feel alive again, SoD i full od wackos, no thanks.
Every version of wow is beyond toxic. What a shit community it is. Ever try battlegrounds? The toxicity doesn't get any worse in any game I ever played. Then lets add in multiboxing. Fuck this game. It was always a shitshow back in 2007 but now it is insufferable.
so sad to see that new player run into this aholes, not knowing what great feeling it is to have a "good" guild. aswome video. super interessting topic.
LOVE the dynasty warriors edits in there, wow what a throw back, cao caos forces morale is dropping and ZHAO YUUUUUN BROOO THE BOOOOY
Oh I DO CARE about discord etiquette
Tbh really boring story. No drama and he spends half the video complaining about the discord. Zzz
Well I don't know what I expected.
Based but also I watched the whole thing
Eerrrrwggghhhhhhh tons of drama in this guild . So I join and show them how they’re not being toxic elitist scum by s-ing on every single minute detail. I’m on TH-cam so I’m not an overgrown baby living in my mom’s basement or a crappy apartment playing a 20 year old video game. I’m special. Derrhghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Insane . 10 years ago everyone would have you looked at you guys like you were the BIGGEST L on the planet. Now they band together as banner lords sharing their entropy
leveling guilds are exclusively useful for expansions with guild bonuses like in cata or mop
mass ress, less rep costs, more xp, rep, mount speed and more before you leave for a raiding guild
i cant comprehend why anyone would ever join these guilds for any other reason
Weird people playing wow classic? Never!
That is not a casual guild. That is terry bad hardcore guild. Many like to call them selves casuals while investing time in what would hardcore people would. They don't call them selves hardcore because they cannot clear the content they want. And because they cannot acknowledge that why they cannot do that.
Your experience is pretty common I think, you just dug a little deeper. This shit happens in retail too. My mythic raid guild GM had a habit of sharing way too much about the sex she was having with her boyfriend, who was also a co-GM/officer. I really don't know who wanted to listen to it or who was even asking, it was extremely cringe every time, was never really funny either.
Oh man, I left my era guild because they have everything on HR and it’s hard to get gear. I asked them to reconsider this because it reduces motivation to guild raid as pugs usually don’t have so many HRs. They ridiculed me in the next raid. I told them I was leaving, thinking I’d be better off pugging.
They got angry and kicked me from the discord server
I played SoD for like I dunno 2 months and it's the weirdest freaking people dude, lol.
Honestly while people expect theres lots of elitism / putting people down in "serious" raiding guilds, from my experience of being in server 1st / sweaty parsing guides and more casual guilds, most of the time the "tryhard" guides are more respectful, relaxed and less bitchy. People perform a lot better and are willing to put in more effort when they arent walking on eggshells expecting they will get their heads bitten off for a mistake. Atmosphere goes a long way in raid performance. The problem is usually the best officers / GMs are people who dont even want to do those roles as they dont get a power / ego trip from being in those positions. you can tell the GM in this vid was one with a superiority complex 😬
hog crankers is a great name though
I started doing classic with a leveling guild that wanted to transition to a raiding guild, but I knew it was doomed simply because I was literally the only tank in the guild. Any dungeon that the guild wanted to do as a full guild run, I HAD to be there. I wanted to DPS but I knew in the first few weeks, tanks would be hard to come by and I was promised we would get replacements so I could DPS.
We recruit another Warrior and I thought the weight on my shoulders would be over, I would actually be able to take breaks without the guild dying, but no, he promised he would tank but resigned himself for DPS. And even if he did tank, he refused to make a tank set and was also just really really bad.
I eventually just burned out because I felt like I had to live in the game to get anything going. I had the classic blunder of being too competent at a role I was just filling for and got stuck.
Not to mention, the GM wanted to bring back DKP, make DKP charts for random fill ins, and no matter how many times we protested, he refused to budge from this. And no, he himself didn't want to manage it with no volunteers.
Was an officer in a hardcore wow levelling guild and man I can tell you how insane that was 😂
the Dynasty Warriors edit warranted a subscribe for sure
If you think this is bad, you should see this raid scene in Tarisland, these Mofos literally run a single boss battle and it call it a raid, blow up over a single missed mechanic.. It really is worth your time if you find shit like this interesting.
Big heal or dps could mean use cds
Based
oof, just realized im the bad guy, im sorry 🙏
I feel like classic players tend to be the more toxic side of wow. lol
this was oddly entertaining. you are good at telling stories.
Average wow guild moment
Wierd to make a drama video about how dramatic people are
This sounds like every guild. It’s why I don’t raid, not chill at all.
Same, I don’t raid and don’t join guilds because of people like this, ruin the experience for literally everyone
Everyone sub to this dude
I saw recruit spam for this guild a few weeks ago and instantly clocked them as toxic based only on the name. There’s a zero percent chance a guild called is filled with anything other than overgrown 13 year olds