I am a first person cockpit driving connoisseur and when I tried the beta for motor fest I was genuinely so glad that they had good hand movement and steering wheel range.. especially coming from the crew 2 where the character literally only moved the wheel about 15 degrees in either direction, this is a huge step up. But another thing nobody talks about is the camera movement. You can actually look around the inside of the car instead of only having an awkward horizontal camera movement and then snapping to a side view from outside the car (cough cough forza).
this takes me back to early crew 2 when I would literally spend like 3 hours just driving coast to coast. Definitely gonna feel better doing that in this game!!!
@@tyreonfireytYh I love me and my sim racing homies playing a game for 1 hr, 25 min out if that 1 hr is us tryna join without the game fucking up and then 45 min of playing before the game just gets boring
The Donut Media content feels more exciting than the one in Forza Horizon 5. It really gives you a sense of what Donut Media presents on their TH-cam content.
Playing this game with a surround system is insane, the punch and detail of every sound really adds another dimension to the experience. I can't wait to get out of work to trying a bit more later today
Donut media really shines with the playlist specific map changes that IvoryTower brings to the game, it enhanced the experience so much, can't wait for more new playlists ngl
After spending a total 8 hours on the game from the second it come out and some breaks in between I can say confidently this game was definitely worth the wait the cars, map, content and new features are amazing it’s definitely a big step for ubi and I love it I’m addicted already
Fun fact: according to an interview with GM product managers, the managers actually called the term “Camaro” as “a small, vicious animal that eats Mustangs”. In actual terms, it’s supposed to be French for “comrade” or “friend”
The Crew Motorfest did Donut Media some justice, especially after their lackluster appearance in Forza Horizon 5. It didn't feel very authentic in that game. But here, it's all the energy of James, with all the editing flair of their golden age on YT.
I was so tempted to get the gold edition just for the three days early access, but I remember not really liking the year one pass in The Crew 2, as I liked earning cars not just being given them
I did the scenic tour as the first one as it basically toured the map which helped me. Plus there were some really cool races. My fav one was rally cross through the jungle!
Lets gooo pants ! Was waiting for this series to come out ! Ive been watching you since 2019 by watching the nfs underground 1 and 2 walktrough ! And always love those kind of series from you !! Much love from canada ❤
Fact number 1: Did you know that the term Camaro came from the French word camarade, meaning friend/pal? (Now you do) The name suggests the camaraderie of good friends as a personal car should be to its owner. Fact number 2: The Camaro was created with the entire purpose to leave the Mustang in the dust.
That is our full size Bonco, it's based on the Ford Ranger platform. The little Bronco is called Bronco Sport, and it's based on the Ford Escape, a compact crossover
Btw theR8 and the M3 are 1 seconds apart on the Nurburgring lap time record. So they are prey well matched. It’s one is a super car, but as for capabilities they are not far off. BMW would likely win in a drag race
Not gonna lie, I watched for nearly the whole 50 minutes and....enjoyed EVERY bit of it! 🙂 Didn't expect much since it's ubisoft, and after watching the trailers I found it just fine. But seeing this amazing gameplay and the Donut collab has gotten my hopes up quite a bit. Lovely video, thanks BlackPanthaa!
Using the G29 and shifter to play and there’s is so many customizations makes it feel like an arcade in my room, soooo much fun they did so well with this game, so much to do and different every time
Small detail I saw while driving the R8 was the avatar was moving around and when hitting the bumps in the beginning of the race he kinda did like a jump. Just the small things for and that 1st person looks so fire!
It's kinda hard not to compare this to Forza. One thing I've noticed is just the pure passion. Horizon wants you to love Horizon. Motorfest wants you to love cars. A specific thing is how they handled Donut. Yeah it's nifty to drive Hi and Low car but at the same time it felt like they got the crew for an hour in the VA booth and just said "Don't worry about feeling just say the lines". Motorfest gives you an actual Donut Media video with all the love Donut has for cars. It makes you realize how soulless Horizon feels considering how no one emotes other than vague joy. When was the last time you heard someone in Horizon scream out that a car is badass
7:43 No, that's actually accurate. Idk how much F1 you watch, but they do turn the wheel like that irl. The split second steering corrections they have to make to keep in control of the car and the speed at which they do them are mind-blowing.
I find it funny how The Crew started with a NFSMW style story and then it was changed in tone completely since the expansion from the first game. Not complaining, I think the festival setting in The Crew games opens it to have pretty cool visuals.
I played the the first The Crew game. Just now started the second game. I looked forward to playing motorfest! It’s on sale right now till the end of July. One thing I noticed they fixed was the the steering wheel animation, in part 2 the driver barely turns the wheel. Glad they fixed that little bug. It’s looking fresh I tell ya!
Ubisoft really killing it this year, TC Motorfest, XDefiant, AC Game is going back to it's roots (still keeping an eye on this) this is the best Ubisoft year in a long time
Kinda funny that The Crew Motorfest looks like just like Horizon, latest NFS games and even The Crew 2. Real king in this genre is Test Drive Unlimited 1-2. I just hope the new Test Drive will catch the magic of the older games, but hopes are slim.
Dose anyone remember a game on PlayStation 3 called “Fuel” that game was insane! I get the vibes from there in the crew. I remember driving across the map in Fuel for hours just to get to a race it was that huge of a game
I drove around for a bit before I had to go to work and I’ll say I love this game’s rewind feature much better than forza’s rewind. the ability to rewind to any point in the previous 10 seconds and restart from there is way better than fighting with the forza’s rewind to get that something perfect
finally got the game myself im over half way through and i love it just as i thought i would, iv been playing the crew 2 ever sense it came out and something with the game just clicked with me and i just couldent puut it down. then i found out about summits and a whole new side of the game was unlocked for me and i loved those as well it was just fun to compete. i wouldent get far for a while but eventually i got my parts grinded and was getting plat , rewards semi easily. nauturally with motorfest i was excited i played the beta and fell in love wiith the new physics and more weighted handeling so i bought it and i look foward to what else ivory tower has in store its been a fun journy.
Perfect Street Racing Game Idea: < Has Car Mechanic Simulator customization. < Has physics like Driver San Francisco. < Has story like Need For Speed Most Wanted 2005.
Thanks for this video. Looks like a nice game but I am on the fence for this because for an open world racer I would like to see the option to have a base or home where you can see your vehicles in your garage and maybe see a more livable world with traffic and pedestrians. Otherwise, I feel like I am not a character in a world and I am just a car without a driver or ghost character. I want to live the fantasy of earning and owning these cool cars. The game looks beautiful for sure but a bit empty other then a lot of balloons lol and I am curious if other people feel that way.
Brooo I didn’t even notice they were gone I’ve been playing crew 2 since it came out and I read ur comment after playing Motorfest and was like OHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHH 😭😭
The difference for Moterfest than FH5 is was that after the tutorial, I was hooked in for hours until finally going to bed, but with Forza, you play the tutorial and just already doesn’t have the feeling of being hooked in as The Crew did.
ahhh i love this game so so SOOO much... I even got 5 hours of playtest for free and all progress i do will be kept to the future if i would buy it. Crazy.
Great video. You are one of the best streamers I know. Always fun to watch. Bought the PS5 Gold Edition and played till 4 o'clock in the morning. Game is addictive. Handling is the best I have seen in a long time, if you set traction control on sport. At least for me. Cars slides to much without it. I need a steering wheel for sure. Hope I see you someday on the track and do some races. Best racing game in years. Keep it up mate. Greetings from The Netherlands:)
@pyro934 most racing games don't have their own identity anymore. I wanted something like Forza and Need for speed. Unbound is garbage and Forza doesn't have enough customization, bikes, boats, nitrous,4-wheelers, planes, and etc.
I too am sick of seeing that generation of F-150, Raptor or otherwise. I've always liked the generation that followed, and the preceding generation from the mid-2000s (before the Raptor was even a thing) has since grown on me.
I wish there was engine swap abilities, and the Bility to change cars into different tiers like you could put a streetcar and a hyper Cartier if you upgraded enough
I am a first person cockpit driving connoisseur and when I tried the beta for motor fest I was genuinely so glad that they had good hand movement and steering wheel range.. especially coming from the crew 2 where the character literally only moved the wheel about 15 degrees in either direction, this is a huge step up. But another thing nobody talks about is the camera movement. You can actually look around the inside of the car instead of only having an awkward horizontal camera movement and then snapping to a side view from outside the car (cough cough forza).
What always got me on the interior was either the gauges displayed kph when the settings were mph. Plus in some cars the gear selector wasnt moving.
What you didn’t mention was the blurry non useful MIRRORS
@@sheLuvsManny i noticed but was too lazy to edit the comment lol
@@kayparody playing the game right now but it definitely has a lot to fix there’s so much pop up on the ps5 and Xbox versions that no one talked about
I agree, I like first person driving, but I will only use it if it's done right.
this takes me back to early crew 2 when I would literally spend like 3 hours just driving coast to coast. Definitely gonna feel better doing that in this game!!!
Only downside is that coast to coast takes at most 15 minutes now 😪
@@kwd0405 rip☹️
3 hours?!
It takes 30 minutes if you respect the speed limits...
Speed limits? More like speed suggestions.
@@CyanRooper *kerosene starts playing*
The Crew really looked at Forza and said, “hold my beer” with that Donut Media content
Nah fr I don’t remember much from the Donut Media content in forza but I do remember them sounding SO DEAD and just NOT HAPPY, shit was so dry 😭
Doesnt make the crew better than forza😅
@@tyreonfireyt didn’t say that💀💀💀
@@epicyt6057 i did say that
@@tyreonfireytYh I love me and my sim racing homies playing a game for 1 hr, 25 min out if that 1 hr is us tryna join without the game fucking up and then 45 min of playing before the game just gets boring
Donut media actually feels like donut media
Why is donut media in the crew it was first in Forza Horizon
Yeah...
Unlike in a certain collab they did before.
@@BenEenGastok &……
@@BenEenGastdonut media is also in dirt5
@@sakku1040 ah never seen dirt footage
The Donut Media content feels more exciting than the one in Forza Horizon 5. It really gives you a sense of what Donut Media presents on their TH-cam content.
I didn't even know them.
And better than when they were in Dirt 5 as well.
@@TheRealMobiiusDiRT 5 Donut Media presentation still the worst tho.
@@soulslayergamer2318Coco Hayashi and Yuu Takasaki know that obviously.
@@purwantiallan5089 In Europe I never Heard someone talking about them. That's the reason im surprised they're in a Game that comes from france.
Playing this game with a surround system is insane, the punch and detail of every sound really adds another dimension to the experience. I can't wait to get out of work to trying a bit more later today
Isn't the game still in pre order or is it out?
Does the game support Dolby Atmos? Or just 7.1 surround?
@@waleedosama3259 for who pre-ordered it (I got the gold edition one) it's already out 3 days earlier
@@rickyc3559no Atmos.
@@rickyc3559it is supported Dolby Atmos.
I’ve been playing for hours now, it’s so bloody fun. Such a step up from the previous Crew games
Same I just need to find good settings because I am drifting so much in every fucking corner or high speed every little move
Same i love the frickin graphic and the car sounds
Can you drive around the map just for fun?
@@sammcallister1423 yes you can :)
@@sammcallister1423 Yeah if you want to, it’s open world
Donut media really shines with the playlist specific map changes that IvoryTower brings to the game, it enhanced the experience so much, can't wait for more new playlists ngl
After spending a total 8 hours on the game from the second it come out and some breaks in between I can say confidently this game was definitely worth the wait the cars, map, content and new features are amazing it’s definitely a big step for ubi and I love it I’m addicted already
I bought it yesterday and spent the next 6 hours immersed in the game 😂😂
Same i spend my money wise this time
@@nathanjohnson4721 idk if I can say the same I bought the 812 P1 and Countach 🤣
Getting it today it can’t possibly be that goated
The game is great so far. The wheel is actually usable on default game settings too which is a great sign.
Bro I got cockpit rig on pc, do I get it on that or will it be better on my ps5 on pad ?
@royalefurygaming2296 I'm on xbox bro so I couldn't really give you a conclusive answer. But alot of people prefer pc so 🤷♂️
@@royalefurygaming2296Coco Hayashi also loves The Crew 3 Motorfest belive it or not.
2 days in 4 playlists done loving it even taken Thursday and Friday off work to play 😂
I’m the same way goes for mortal kombat
now thats how you do a youtube collaboration in a game for cars. excellent job ivory tower. tons of personality.
So far its 10/10.
Can’t wait until I get to play on Friday. Definitely gonna play this as much as possible whenever I can.
Isn’t it Thursday?
Comes out on Thursday bucko
He probably has no time to play on Thursday
@@JadwasAmbushand you would be correct.
@@JadwasAmbushshould be Friday.
Fun fact: according to an interview with GM product managers, the managers actually called the term “Camaro” as “a small, vicious animal that eats Mustangs”. In actual terms, it’s supposed to be French for “comrade” or “friend”
The Crew Motorfest did Donut Media some justice, especially after their lackluster appearance in Forza Horizon 5. It didn't feel very authentic in that game. But here, it's all the energy of James, with all the editing flair of their golden age on YT.
35:34 yep correct! GRID (2008) was the first racing game that featured the rewind feature!
I was so tempted to get the gold edition just for the three days early access, but I remember not really liking the year one pass in The Crew 2, as I liked earning cars not just being given them
@@gcdinizferraoi also tried this recently. Its amazing like Forza Horizon 1.
I did the scenic tour as the first one as it basically toured the map which helped me. Plus there were some really cool races. My fav one was rally cross through the jungle!
Lets gooo pants ! Was waiting for this series to come out ! Ive been watching you since 2019 by watching the nfs underground 1 and 2 walktrough ! And always love those kind of series from you !! Much love from canada ❤
That game is awesome so far! Can't stop playing it!
Nice to see the new mustang in game! I’ve had my 24 GT for a week now and love the way it looks and drives.
WHATT!!! You have one? Do you a social media somewhere if you driving it? I gotta see it
@@josephcarpenter5980 not yet man but expect to see it soon! Plan to upload it on TH-cam and social media!
@@EdsonH1011 LETS GO
Gay
All they need is more traffic (cars on the road, highways etc) and reflections in the rear view mirror/side view mirrors
"it's a car culture buffet" and the only one who is eating well is Yves Guillemot 😂😂
Fact number 1: Did you know that the term Camaro came from the French word camarade, meaning friend/pal? (Now you do) The name suggests the camaraderie of good friends as a personal car should be to its owner. Fact number 2: The Camaro was created with the entire purpose to leave the Mustang in the dust.
as someone who has been playing the crew since 2017, this is so exciting
THE CREW 3 MOTORFEST is simply amazing like Forza Horizon 1! Thanks, BlackPanthaa!
That is our full size Bonco, it's based on the Ford Ranger platform. The little Bronco is called Bronco Sport, and it's based on the Ford Escape, a compact crossover
Btw theR8 and the M3 are 1 seconds apart on the Nurburgring lap time record. So they are prey well matched. It’s one is a super car, but as for capabilities they are not far off. BMW would likely win in a drag race
Midnight Club LA also has good hand movements. That game is honestly best played in 1st person
The first race with the Supra kind of reminds me of NFS Carbon. The lighting, atmosphere etc. Love it!!
No doubt. Even slightly exceeding it.
Not gonna lie, I watched for nearly the whole 50 minutes and....enjoyed EVERY bit of it! 🙂
Didn't expect much since it's ubisoft, and after watching the trailers I found it just fine. But seeing this amazing gameplay and the Donut collab has gotten my hopes up quite a bit. Lovely video, thanks BlackPanthaa!
Using the G29 and shifter to play and there’s is so many customizations makes it feel like an arcade in my room, soooo much fun they did so well with this game, so much to do and different every time
Small detail I saw while driving the R8 was the avatar was moving around and when hitting the bumps in the beginning of the race he kinda did like a jump. Just the small things for and that 1st person looks so fire!
It's kinda hard not to compare this to Forza. One thing I've noticed is just the pure passion. Horizon wants you to love Horizon. Motorfest wants you to love cars. A specific thing is how they handled Donut. Yeah it's nifty to drive Hi and Low car but at the same time it felt like they got the crew for an hour in the VA booth and just said "Don't worry about feeling just say the lines". Motorfest gives you an actual Donut Media video with all the love Donut has for cars. It makes you realize how soulless Horizon feels considering how no one emotes other than vague joy. When was the last time you heard someone in Horizon scream out that a car is badass
The game looks 🔥
Yep. So far looked amazing clearly.
Im absolutely loving it!!! 10/10!!! The map is BEAUTIFUL!!! BEST OPEN WORLD DRIVING GAME!!!
7:43 No, that's actually accurate. Idk how much F1 you watch, but they do turn the wheel like that irl. The split second steering corrections they have to make to keep in control of the car and the speed at which they do them are mind-blowing.
I find it funny how The Crew started with a NFSMW style story and then it was changed in tone completely since the expansion from the first game.
Not complaining, I think the festival setting in The Crew games opens it to have pretty cool visuals.
I like how the torque just bounces after it shifts
I played the the first The Crew game. Just now started the second game. I looked forward to playing motorfest! It’s on sale right now till the end of July. One thing I noticed they fixed was the the steering wheel animation, in part 2 the driver barely turns the wheel. Glad they fixed that little bug. It’s looking fresh I tell ya!
So they added good hand movement on the wheel but the mirrors don't work..... Very immersive indeed 🤣
Ubisoft really killing it this year, TC Motorfest, XDefiant, AC Game is going back to it's roots (still keeping an eye on this) this is the best Ubisoft year in a long time
Kinda funny that The Crew Motorfest looks like just like Horizon, latest NFS games and even The Crew 2. Real king in this genre is Test Drive Unlimited 1-2. I just hope the new Test Drive will catch the magic of the older games, but hopes are slim.
There's a new Test Drive?
@@paulmiddlemass6465 In the making yes, Test Drive Unlimited Solar Crown
Dose anyone remember a game on PlayStation 3 called “Fuel” that game was insane! I get the vibes from there in the crew. I remember driving across the map in Fuel for hours just to get to a race it was that huge of a game
34:25 We gonna talk about how that drone was going over 260mph keeping up with the hypercars?
waiting for Pantsman to baptise all of us to be a Porsche man
The fun arcade version of Forza Horizon we didnt know we needed.
I drove around for a bit before I had to go to work and I’ll say I love this game’s rewind feature much better than forza’s rewind.
the ability to rewind to any point in the previous 10 seconds and restart from there is way better than fighting with the forza’s rewind to get that something perfect
When I heard him say “give it the beeeeans” I died lmao. I think they got that from you bro
Happy to finally hear somebody else bring up miracle whips! I miss it 😢
finally got the game myself im over half way through and i love it just as i thought i would, iv been playing the crew 2 ever sense it came out and something with the game just clicked with me and i just couldent puut it down. then i found out about summits and a whole new side of the game was unlocked for me and i loved those as well it was just fun to compete. i wouldent get far for a while but eventually i got my parts grinded and was getting plat , rewards semi easily. nauturally with motorfest i was excited i played the beta and fell in love wiith the new physics and more weighted handeling so i bought it and i look foward to what else ivory tower has in store its been a fun journy.
Perfect Street Racing Game Idea:
< Has Car Mechanic Simulator customization.
< Has physics like Driver San Francisco.
< Has story like Need For Speed Most Wanted 2005.
Thanks for this video. Looks like a nice game but I am on the fence for this because for an open world racer I would like to see the option to have a base or home where you can see your vehicles in your garage and maybe see a more livable world with traffic and pedestrians. Otherwise, I feel like I am not a character in a world and I am just a car without a driver or ghost character. I want to live the fantasy of earning and owning these cool cars. The game looks beautiful for sure but a bit empty other then a lot of balloons lol and I am curious if other people feel that way.
the importing cars feature not only is reassuring, but means they havent pulled a forza and taken old cars away
Omg look at the way those Play-Doh hands grab the steering wheel epic 😂
Dualsense have haptics feedback triggers. Rumble trigger is on xbox series controller, my friend!
just for this donut media intro im sold
Tbh motorfest has the best voice in a ubisoft game
Ngl I was actually going to cry I'm so happy it's out
I hope pedestrians are back like in past Crews, it adds so much life to the game
Brooo I didn’t even notice they were gone I’ve been playing crew 2 since it came out and I read ur comment after playing Motorfest and was like OHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHH 😭😭
The difference for Moterfest than FH5 is was that after the tutorial, I was hooked in for hours until finally going to bed, but with Forza, you play the tutorial and just already doesn’t have the feeling of being hooked in as The Crew did.
The thing about the Chevy Camaro name is true tho lol " a small animal that eats mustangs"
Fun fact - that was the actual definition provided when they asked the designer what Camaro means - "A creature that eats Mustangs"
you know what is the best thing from TCM? the size that only.... 33GB surprisingly😂
Because its Hawaii...smaller than the USA.
ahhh i love this game so so SOOO much... I even got 5 hours of playtest for free and all progress i do will be kept to the future if i would buy it. Crazy.
When james said a Camaro is a small animal that eats mustangs, this is what chevy said when unvailing the Camaro
i just realize the homer guy you've race in this playlist is probably an easter egg to homer simpson since he really like donuts
That yellow jacket is Supreme on budget.
The game gonna be crazy! Feels like yesterday we were hyped over The Crew 2 😂
25:08 i wish they could bring back miracle whips 😭😭 genuinely one of the funniest series they've done
Donut also worked on dirt 5 which was pretty cool this game looks insane
This is the first racing game in a while that ACTUALLY looks good whilst racing. This is incredible
This is the first CREW game I’ve played ands it’s amazing
Love this game I played The Crew 2 but Motorfest is amazing
Remember When The First Crew Game Had A Storyline Around It?
I still think NFS SHIFT 2 has the best cockpit view ever
11:48 actually, now you think about it,they do have basically the entire road/street legal roster except the STO , like not that rip off track huracan
Speedy Black Man playlist confirmed!
Oh man.. I’m watching the video just to see your expressions and comments! Hilarious!!😂😂
Definitely the best Crew game
Mans has to stop calling himself a baboon. He’s gonna get somebody hurt after the calling the wrong person that! 😅😂
Great video. You are one of the best streamers I know. Always fun to watch. Bought the PS5 Gold Edition and played till 4 o'clock in the morning. Game is addictive. Handling is the best I have seen in a long time, if you set traction control on sport. At least for me. Cars slides to much without it. I need a steering wheel for sure. Hope I see you someday on the track and do some races. Best racing game in years. Keep it up mate. Greetings from The Netherlands:)
So much better with no traction control. Or any assists for that matter... Lol
@@fastcarfootball8710 yeah I need to practice more
I’m definitely going to pick this up…at a discount obviously.
Also I would love to see how this game handles with a wheel as soon as you can do it.
It handles really good on wheel the force feedback is very strong and it recenters better than most games I've played
Why obviously? What makes it a bargain bin game?
@@samanthasoares4806 what games have you played with a wheel?
@@ozzydior cuz 70 bucks is too expensive for games today.
@@RukaGoldheart that's literally just 10 dollars more than what it's been for the past 17 or so years
cant wait to get this game
This game is like a mixture of Forza and Need For Speed, which is a good thing
It’s a bad thing, it doesn’t have its own identity
@pyro934 most racing games don't have their own identity anymore. I wanted something like Forza and Need for speed. Unbound is garbage and Forza doesn't have enough customization, bikes, boats, nitrous,4-wheelers, planes, and etc.
@@pyro934so how would you give a racing game its own identity?
Bro did not hesitate with the hood customized part
20:08 ill never unsee that ever again
honestly this donut media vc and content better than in forza
Dude this game is Lit. I couldn’t put it down last night, it’s sooooooo good
anyone else realized that the music that played during the Ferrari Vs Lamborghini race was from epidemic sound? I lost it when I recognised the song
I too am sick of seeing that generation of F-150, Raptor or otherwise. I've always liked the generation that followed, and the preceding generation from the mid-2000s (before the Raptor was even a thing) has since grown on me.
The Crew Moterfest must add the Audi Quatro S1 for Rally
Theo you just called the big bronco the small one 😂
Oh boy.... here we go again... just driving cars, racing cars and customizing cars...
That's it...
BOOOOORRRIIINNNNGG!!!!
What else do you want?
@@taleeandrews2040 bruh... you will find out.
@@dgxxtreme no I won’t lmao
🎉I’d rather transfer my cars and still start The game off fresh😂
My transferred cars are just back up when races get more intense 😂
I wish there was engine swap abilities, and the Bility to change cars into different tiers like you could put a streetcar and a hyper Cartier if you upgraded enough
Just realized we are driving on an island that almost completely burned down, respect to everyone who has died in the fire
Been following you for years the go to racing game goat the crew is my fave racing franchise I can’t wait to get it myself
The rear view mirrors haven't changed, in cabin view, would love some crispier image there, performance is cool, but an extra setting won't hurt.
So nobody's gonna talk about the "gotta go dawg" 2F2F reference?