holy shit. i had no idea there was a relationship mechanic in undone. seeing rando put himself down like that in the low relationship scene is fucking heart shattering and his conversation with buddy in the high relationship. its a tear jerker. a real pull to the heartstrings
In love with the relationship meter. Pointless was the only lisa game that had it before undone, but where pointless was between the relationship between two old men that just met and quickly grew close, undone is about Rando understanding Brad more and more when it comes to Buddy and Lisa. The things he takes up from Brad varying on the ending. Dustin is a very emotional man, as sad as it is, him taking joy seems fitting.
In the lisaverse it's kinda confirmed that the more emotionally unstable you are the stronger are your fireblasts Brad for exemple has his fireball turning into a fucking flamethrower And if the other fan games are canon (Spoiler alert for lisa the hopeful) If you get lanks route he get more fire related moves cus of what happen where benny get shot in the head and cyclop ditching them I know that the lanks (i know its not cannon but the fact it still happen kinda proove that fire is related to your emotions)
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Vega turned into a mudman after the Low Relationship Cutscene Also it's kinda interesting how we have the Dice Roll option to take the bullet for Buddy, it's *impossible* of course, but it gives me some sort of hope that we'll be able to actually do it in a future update... or that "option" just serves the purpose of making the player feel even more miserable
The last few things Rando said to Buddy in the High relationship ending at the campfire. Fuck, man. That pulls on my heart strings. And that ending in the low relationship value made my heart sink...
At the end of the day he’ll down that pill. But for completely different reasons. One instance he’ll feel like the most worthless man on the planet. The other…well we’ll just have to see if I’m right on this.
for some reason on my latest playthrough i got a 4th variant that wasnt in the video, there was high relationship dialogue between rando and buddy, but vega was killed like in medium relationship, anyone know whats up with that?
I like the idea of your actions affecting your relationship with your companions but the results of some of the events make 0 sense. An example of this would be the statue at the Rando Lands, because, even if you confort Rando after he destroys it, you gain negative points. Also changing his name also gives you negative points even though its a decision HE MAKES. I hope this system gets revised when the game gets a part 2
Some things are not really positive even If they seem to be. I see that every event that takes away points in the relationship has to do with his past, and even, you can see that in his dialogue here. I'm not sure about the part where Rando breaks that statue because I haven't encountered that interaction yet, but as for the name change, at first It didn't make sense, I know, but It does start to make sense when you know that he was only known as Dustin when he was exploited in the Circus with Jackie (And also every other thing he had to face before he was the Rando we know) Sometimes It's better to not recall old times when you're miserable there too yknow
@@Apieceofcakeshere yeah, I understand that looking back to the past makes Rando feel like a failure and that makes him sad. The situation on its own makes sense. However, it makes no sense that those things are tied with his relationship with Buddy. In the end, the relation gauge determains how much Rando loves Buddy, so it makes no sense that Rando likes Buddy less due to things outside of her control. An other example would be the bullet sidequest: even if Buddy says that she did the quest in order to help the man, you still get negative points, meaning that Rando is judging Buddy like she had killed the man herself. Im not against the idea that he views events such as the statue or the past cave as negative things, but that, due to this events, he views Buddy as a worse person. It would make sense that these events gave negative points to a different gauge, like a mental state gauge specific for Rando, but I think that would add more problems.
It's not like Rando likes Buddy less (unless you do the akira quest in chapter 4), he instead isolates himself and takes all the guilt and responsability (seen in the dialogue of the low relationship ending). In the end, he knows she's just a child, and no matter what, he wants to do what's best for her
@@Apieceofcakeshere I mean, he never hates Buddy (it wouldn't make sense), but him absolutely reducing Vega to his base particles in the high relationship ending shows that he likes Buddy more than in the low relationship, where he lets Vega live.
I think he only let Vega live cuz he feels what he says is right (He's a nobody) and just lets himself in with the Joy pill, where in difference of the High relationship ending, he doesn't care whatever he says and just annihilates him (He learned that hes something more valuable than the things that made him who he is in the past)
Doing all (or enough) events or choices that adds positive value to the variable! (And doing the best as possible to avoid events that gives negative value). As far as I remember, here are some: * In Chapter 2, speaking to the guy besides the statue in the bubble under the sea and choosing to come up for a theory about it (And not failing the chance) after telling him the truth about you, adds +1 * In Chapter 2, visting the flower guy while Rando has enough relationship value to wear the sweater adds +2 * In the end of Chapter 2, interacting with the box filled with balls and playing catch with Rando adds +1
His name is Luci! I dont remember his last name rn but you encounter him in the beginning of Chapter 4, seems that you only can encounter him If you interact with a certain location of the trash place near The Observatory. He's pretty nice ngl!!
@@ApieceofcakeshereHis last name’s Marigold. Buddy can assume the name of Lizzie Marigold, which was Luci’s sister’s name before she went missing before The Flash.
I have no idea... but for sure doing all events that gives you a negative value, to the point of reaching -20. I would love to find out the certain events and decisions somehow though🤔 From the investigation and checking I've done so far... * Becoming addict to certain substances seems to skip events that would normally occur and add positive value to the relationship. I'm not sure which events you can skip. As far as I know, at the end of Chapter 3, going to the Disco place by proving that Buddy can party and making her dance adds one point in the relationship, in which, If she's addict to any drugs she will take another path to enter that place. (I haven't tested that yet, but I feel It is really like that) * At the end of Chapter 1, changing the name of Rando to Dustin takes you away points in the relationship. As I've seen, it adds -3 to the relationship value. * In Chapter 2, completing the side mission "The Gunsmith", specifically giving the Old Rifle to the big guy and letting him suicide decreases the value by 2. * In Chapter 2, going to the past cave (That one where you can visit places from the past of Buddy and all of the rest of the party members) decreases the value by 3. * In Chapter 2, If you let Rando climb up the hair rope thingy in the hidden hairy place that's in the pathway of the blue forest, an event will occur. Once you get out of there, the variable decreases value by 2. * In Chapter 4, during the speech that Judge Bagnio needs you to do, If you choose to follow his exact words, OR you choose to come up with the words yourself AND FAIL all of them, the value decreases by 3. * In Chapter 4, completing the third mission that Akira told you to do takes away 5 points of the relationship.
@@Apieceofcakeshere Ive only seen other people play the game so I had no idea about some of these events and the effects they have with Dustin. Also do you have a relationship amount with other party members or do they leave based on certain things you do at the start of chapter 3?
@@tribowrainbow5158Turns out that every character that enters your party has the same mechanic as Rando! that means Oswald, Mr. Fantastic and even Luci have a variable that keeps track of their current friendship with you. I'm not sure If Oswald and Mr. Fantastic do not leave you If you're close enough to them, but seems this could only happen with Mr. Fantastic. Once again I haven't tested that, but since I've seen footage of Mr. Fantastic at the end of Chapter 3 It seems that with him It's possible!
Is it even possible to get the bullet for her? I mean like, im sane enough to like not try it and do the final boss every single time, but hell, maybe some modder will do that?
oh trust me i tried rebooting the game and reaching the ending multiple times to see that but yeah, when it says that the possibility is impossible, it is really impossible ☹️ that is ofc, intentional, because as far as i know that is a reference to Disco Elysium, where there is the same mechanic of options with random chances AND also a bullet involved scene where it's impossible to take the bullet. Just trying to mess up with our feelings, yeah 😞 I have not yet modded this game but I would love to mess with the chance out (If i can in the first place), but since It's intentional, I don't think something will happen really, things are just bound to be like this 😓
@@Apieceofcakeshere Dang, now the question is, wich is the canon ending? This might be hard to codify, but maybe you have to drag an archive to another from lisa the undone to... Lisa the undone 2... Or mb just when You play the sequel just gotta select the ending, just like Henry stickman and completing the mission. Or you know, just an update to the Game itself
@mateolautaromicheloudortiz9866 For the little things that I have seen: * In Chapter 2, making Oswald enter the "Abandon all hope" place with the party (You can If Mr. Fantastic is in your party when you go there for the first time), decresases 1 point in the relationship. * In Chapter 2, speaking to the guy besides the statue in the bubble under the sea and choosing to come up for a theory about it (And not failing the chance) after telling him the truth about Buddy, adds one point to the relationship. * While in the transition of the end of Chapter 2 to Chapter 3, it automatically adds 4 points to the relationship.
@@mateolautaromicheloudortiz9866 Oh no, there should be a lot more, but I haven't checked yet. Lately I've been busy with life so I might take a while to give more of those 🤔
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holy shit. i had no idea there was a relationship mechanic in undone. seeing rando put himself down like that in the low relationship scene is fucking heart shattering and his conversation with buddy in the high relationship. its a tear jerker. a real pull to the heartstrings
In love with the relationship meter. Pointless was the only lisa game that had it before undone, but where pointless was between the relationship between two old men that just met and quickly grew close, undone is about Rando understanding Brad more and more when it comes to Buddy and Lisa. The things he takes up from Brad varying on the ending.
Dustin is a very emotional man, as sad as it is, him taking joy seems fitting.
Well, Undone have more hours and places to do so, where Pointless have only few spots for talk and small gameplay at all.
🙂
What team are you on?
Armstrong Bros!
Or
Old Men Otp!
@@PequenoVividor Old men is Alex and Joel?
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Even Rando is surprised by the size of the fire blast.
In the lisaverse it's kinda confirmed that the more emotionally unstable you are the stronger are your fireblasts
Brad for exemple has his fireball turning into a fucking flamethrower
And if the other fan games are canon
(Spoiler alert for lisa the hopeful)
If you get lanks route he get more fire related moves cus of what happen where benny get shot in the head and cyclop ditching them
I know that the lanks (i know its not cannon but the fact it still happen kinda proove that fire is related to your emotions)
He was _really_ sick of Vega's shit. It reminds me of when Brad is so incensed at seeing Marty with Buddy that he immediately gets a fireball ready.
The same apply to the laser beams? @@sonicletrol4501
The low friendship is really heart breaking for me cus rando succomb to the temptation of joy and pop a pill in his mouth
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Vega turned into a mudman after the Low Relationship Cutscene
Also it's kinda interesting how we have the Dice Roll option to take the bullet for Buddy, it's *impossible* of course, but it gives me some sort of hope that we'll be able to actually do it in a future update... or that "option" just serves the purpose of making the player feel even more miserable
The fact that we may see Joy Mutant Rando in the future terrifies me.
ah nah man ☹
there will be more undone?!
@@gragasfanclub8068 Until its done
@@gragasfanclub8068yes
@@gragasfanclub8068oh yeah this game is only "Part One"! means that ofc, there will be a "Part Two" soon!!
Cool video! I had a feeling something like this was possible but now I got to see it happen in action!
The last few things Rando said to Buddy in the High relationship ending at the campfire. Fuck, man. That pulls on my heart strings. And that ending in the low relationship value made my heart sink...
At the end of the day he’ll down that pill. But for completely different reasons.
One instance he’ll feel like the most worthless man on the planet.
The other…well we’ll just have to see if I’m right on this.
Great video man! I still don't understand why changing Rando's name to Dustin rests relation points
thank u!!!
It has to do with the fact that It's affiliated with his past (and it was a really miserable one)
@@ApieceofcakeshereOh, right
Dude, when I had an acquaintance play this he said "why does random take joy at the end?" 😔
for some reason on my latest playthrough i got a 4th variant that wasnt in the video, there was high relationship dialogue between rando and buddy, but vega was killed like in medium relationship, anyone know whats up with that?
Thats when the Relationship variable has a high mid value range! (10 between 19)! check desc!
Rando with 6205 sp will be stuck in my nightmares
little file modifying shenanigans 😋
I like the idea of your actions affecting your relationship with your companions but the results of some of the events make 0 sense. An example of this would be the statue at the Rando Lands, because, even if you confort Rando after he destroys it, you gain negative points. Also changing his name also gives you negative points even though its a decision HE MAKES. I hope this system gets revised when the game gets a part 2
Some things are not really positive even If they seem to be. I see that every event that takes away points in the relationship has to do with his past, and even, you can see that in his dialogue here.
I'm not sure about the part where Rando breaks that statue because I haven't encountered that interaction yet, but as for the name change, at first It didn't make sense, I know, but It does start to make sense when you know that he was only known as Dustin when he was exploited in the Circus with Jackie (And also every other thing he had to face before he was the Rando we know)
Sometimes It's better to not recall old times when you're miserable there too yknow
@@Apieceofcakeshere yeah, I understand that looking back to the past makes Rando feel like a failure and that makes him sad. The situation on its own makes sense. However, it makes no sense that those things are tied with his relationship with Buddy. In the end, the relation gauge determains how much Rando loves Buddy, so it makes no sense that Rando likes Buddy less due to things outside of her control. An other example would be the bullet sidequest: even if Buddy says that she did the quest in order to help the man, you still get negative points, meaning that Rando is judging Buddy like she had killed the man herself. Im not against the idea that he views events such as the statue or the past cave as negative things, but that, due to this events, he views Buddy as a worse person. It would make sense that these events gave negative points to a different gauge, like a mental state gauge specific for Rando, but I think that would add more problems.
It's not like Rando likes Buddy less (unless you do the akira quest in chapter 4), he instead isolates himself and takes all the guilt and responsability (seen in the dialogue of the low relationship ending). In the end, he knows she's just a child, and no matter what, he wants to do what's best for her
@@Apieceofcakeshere I mean, he never hates Buddy (it wouldn't make sense), but him absolutely reducing Vega to his base particles in the high relationship ending shows that he likes Buddy more than in the low relationship, where he lets Vega live.
I think he only let Vega live cuz he feels what he says is right (He's a nobody) and just lets himself in with the Joy pill, where in difference of the High relationship ending, he doesn't care whatever he says and just annihilates him (He learned that hes something more valuable than the things that made him who he is in the past)
Well put together video! 👏
where our lisa the grateful wade
how can i get the highter relationship with Rando?
Doing all (or enough) events or choices that adds positive value to the variable! (And doing the best as possible to avoid events that gives negative value).
As far as I remember, here are some:
* In Chapter 2, speaking to the guy besides the statue in the bubble under the sea and choosing to come up for a theory about it (And not failing the chance) after telling him the truth about you, adds +1
* In Chapter 2, visting the flower guy while Rando has enough relationship value to wear the sweater adds +2
* In the end of Chapter 2, interacting with the box filled with balls and playing catch with Rando adds +1
@@Apieceofcakeshere There is also the
DO NOT INTERACT WITH THE TRAUMA CAVE
and
DO NOT USE THE PHONE.
and
DO THE LWC TOURNAMENT
@@ЛеонидЗурнаджи ya and also those, havent listed them cuz ive felt lazy recently lol so ty
lmaoo do u remember that get out gaster thing
I was 12 when I reposted that thing (since the og vid wasn't mine)
time sure flies
whos that red haired kid in the cave with the other kids ive never seen that dude
His name is Luci! I dont remember his last name rn but you encounter him in the beginning of Chapter 4, seems that you only can encounter him If you interact with a certain location of the trash place near The Observatory. He's pretty nice ngl!!
@@ApieceofcakeshereHis last name’s Marigold.
Buddy can assume the name of Lizzie Marigold, which was Luci’s sister’s name before she went missing before The Flash.
How would you normally get a -20 relationship?
I have no idea... but for sure doing all events that gives you a negative value, to the point of reaching -20. I would love to find out the certain events and decisions somehow though🤔
From the investigation and checking I've done so far...
* Becoming addict to certain substances seems to skip events that would normally occur and add positive value to the relationship. I'm not sure which events you can skip. As far as I know, at the end of Chapter 3, going to the Disco place by proving that Buddy can party and making her dance adds one point in the relationship, in which, If she's addict to any drugs she will take another path to enter that place. (I haven't tested that yet, but I feel It is really like that)
* At the end of Chapter 1, changing the name of Rando to Dustin takes you away points in the relationship. As I've seen, it adds -3 to the relationship value.
* In Chapter 2, completing the side mission "The Gunsmith", specifically giving the Old Rifle to the big guy and letting him suicide decreases the value by 2.
* In Chapter 2, going to the past cave (That one where you can visit places from the past of Buddy and all of the rest of the party members) decreases the value by 3.
* In Chapter 2, If you let Rando climb up the hair rope thingy in the hidden hairy place that's in the pathway of the blue forest, an event will occur. Once you get out of there, the variable decreases value by 2.
* In Chapter 4, during the speech that Judge Bagnio needs you to do, If you choose to follow his exact words, OR you choose to come up with the words yourself AND FAIL all of them, the value decreases by 3.
* In Chapter 4, completing the third mission that Akira told you to do takes away 5 points of the relationship.
@@Apieceofcakeshere Ive only seen other people play the game so I had no idea about some of these events and the effects they have with Dustin.
Also do you have a relationship amount with other party members or do they leave based on certain things you do at the start of chapter 3?
@@tribowrainbow5158Turns out that every character that enters your party has the same mechanic as Rando! that means Oswald, Mr. Fantastic and even Luci have a variable that keeps track of their current friendship with you. I'm not sure If Oswald and Mr. Fantastic do not leave you If you're close enough to them, but seems this could only happen with Mr. Fantastic. Once again I haven't tested that, but since I've seen footage of Mr. Fantastic at the end of Chapter 3 It seems that with him It's possible!
@@Apieceofcakeshere god this game is too much good to be a fanmade
@@Notcurlyfrommouthwashing thats what im saying 😭
Interesting
thank u
Je savais même pas qu'il y avait tu avais plusieurs fin là tu m'as pris un truc j'ai hâte que le chapitre 5 qui sort
Is it even possible to get the bullet for her? I mean like, im sane enough to like not try it and do the final boss every single time, but hell, maybe some modder will do that?
oh trust me i tried rebooting the game and reaching the ending multiple times to see that but yeah, when it says that the possibility is impossible, it is really impossible ☹️
that is ofc, intentional, because as far as i know that is a reference to Disco Elysium, where there is the same mechanic of options with random chances AND also a bullet involved scene where it's impossible to take the bullet. Just trying to mess up with our feelings, yeah 😞
I have not yet modded this game but I would love to mess with the chance out (If i can in the first place), but since It's intentional, I don't think something will happen really, things are just bound to be like this 😓
@@Apieceofcakeshere Dang, now the question is, wich is the canon ending? This might be hard to codify, but maybe you have to drag an archive to another from lisa the undone to... Lisa the undone 2... Or mb just when You play the sequel just gotta select the ending, just like Henry stickman and completing the mission. Or you know, just an update to the Game itself
Dude can you make a video about Oswald relationship value??
Oh I would love to do that. I'm considering it!
@@Apieceofcakeshere if you say the forms to increase and decrease that value i believe it could really help some people
@mateolautaromicheloudortiz9866 For the little things that I have seen:
* In Chapter 2, making Oswald enter the "Abandon all hope" place with the party (You can If Mr. Fantastic is in your party when you go there for the first time), decresases 1 point in the relationship.
* In Chapter 2, speaking to the guy besides the statue in the bubble under the sea and choosing to come up for a theory about it (And not failing the chance) after telling him the truth about Buddy, adds one point to the relationship.
* While in the transition of the end of Chapter 2 to Chapter 3, it automatically adds 4 points to the relationship.
@@Apieceofcakeshere just that 2?
@@mateolautaromicheloudortiz9866 Oh no, there should be a lot more, but I haven't checked yet. Lately I've been busy with life so I might take a while to give more of those 🤔