Should you buy a laser engraver? Or is it just a waste of money
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Have you ever thought about buying a laser engraver or laser cutter? Don’t fall into the same trap that I did! Here are 6 things you should know before buying a laser engraver. An honest review from an xTool D1 pro 20w diode laser owner. If you think lasers are a waste of money, well... maybe not, but there are definitely things to consider before diving right in. Learn the truth about laser cutters in this video.
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0:00 Intro
0:25 The smell / fumes
1:40 My laser enclosure and setup
3:00 Costs - laser and accessory costs in detail
7:12 Diode laser limitations
8:29 Time consuming
9:18 Safety concerns
10:15 Should I ditch the laser?
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Hi
I need to engrave on a steel tumbler I have like 80 piecies
Can u pls guide me or if j can order that's fine too
Pls let me know .. thankq
One of the things you may want to consider is proper eyewear. Your laser is operating around 445 nm, and you need an ORANGE lens to filter that out. The goofy green or red ones they provide with these devices will not adequately protect you. I suggest you get a pair from a reputable company - they are about $100.00 a pair - and make sure it is written on the lens (normally above the left eye) OD7 190-540 NM. These should also block the light from entering the side as well. A sign posted outside the area stating ‘laser in use’ would be a good next project for you.
I agree wholeheartedly Michael. I'm not a home laser user but I had experience of them during my time as a physicist. I'm getting a little concerned about the slightly cavalier use of these tools in the home workshop and especially the possibility of stray laser reflection. I had assumed that the goggles were of decent quality and appropriate wavelength filtration but now that you mention it I doesn't surprise me that there not the greatest! Thanks for highlighting these possible risks.
I ran a 3000 watt co2 laser cutting steel and other metals for a short while and have three "floaters" from reflections. They happen so fast you don't even see them til later.
You absolutely can cut clear acrylic on a diode laser, you just need to temporarily paint the surface of the acrylic. There's plenty of tutorials available on TH-cam
@@Tommy.461what is a floater?
@Tommy.461 dude more likely you already have yours floaters.....
I'm a Montrealer living in Hong Kong for more than 20 years. Watching your videos brings back memories of suburbia, garages and everyday DIY. I love what you do....so clear, honest, informative. Thank you
Thank you for this very honest, detailed and helpful video. We have been thinking about a laser cutter or a CNC recently, and your video answers many of our questions. It also helps since you answer questions we wouldn't have known enough to ask before. We appreciate people like you who offer straightforward, practical information regarding your personal experiences. Well done!
I appreciate you taking the time to bring honesty forward. I am about to purchase my first laser and was not thinking about “Smell”. Now I will reevaluate my decision and start learning about ventilation. Thank You!
Just wanted to say I watch pretty much every woodworking channel I can find and you’ve been consistently the most helpful. Love your build videos, and this one was extremely helpful for someone who’d been half considering a laser cutter without really thinking about it seriously. Appreciate the review!
ditto that. Clear, real, reviews, honest useful information and not a whole bunch of swag and over-priced "must have" tools like a lot of the other channels. Marie, you're far more real and practical. Thank you!
Maria is the best out of all... explains everything
Thank you kindly, truly appreciate that!
I wish I'd come across this video BEFORE I purchased my laser. This is a real review folks! Heed Marie's warnings. Hardly anyone mentions the smoke smell. I don't mind the learning curve on any of my tools but the smoke, I just can't get past. I immediately purchased the enclosure the grid followed by the inline fan. I still get a lot of smoke in my shop which is unfortunately a two car attached garage so it leaks into the house. I also noticed that the items that come out of the laser(I have the same one you do in Iron man red, because, why not) and those things smell like smoke too. I've heard many a influencer say the smell fades. I have several xmas ornaments that still smell like fire and it's dang near July. Also, it's worth mentioning, I'm not that sensitive to smoke and if it didn't cause cancer I'd be just fine with saw dust flying in my face all day. I'm sure I'll get back to it at some point, but so far it has not been the accessory tool for my woodshop I thought it would be. Expensive lesson learned. Now my $300 dollar 3d printer has been awesome. Yes, that's a hint, Marie.
I was considering a 3D printer. what 3d printer do you have
@@angelw4113 I have the Ender 3 S1 Pro. Great starter unit.
I really appreciate all the thought you put into pointing out things that are easy to take for granted. Thanks for taking the time and thanks for sharing.
Thanks so much, I watched your video the very day after placing my order for the X-TOOL D1. You bring out a lot of information that no one before you has even hinted at. Thank you. Please keep doing what you do.😊 ❤
Well, you made me think twice about getting a laser. I really don't have room for one anyhow, and I'm 71 and not Daddy War Bucks. Love watching your videos and other DIY folks out there. Much better than wasting what's left of my brain on mainstream media stations. Keep up the good work kid!
What a fabulous service you provide! A truly insightful look at what needs to be considered in a laser engraver tool. Thank you! Definitely subscribed!
OMG FINALLY someone that breaks everything down cost wise and equipment wise. Thank you for giving us all the
extras with manufacturer and fails with said equipment. I am trying to set up a resin 3D printer with the exhaust fan like you have.
I have now ordered 4 fans that have not done what I need to vent the smell. I think I have finally figured it out but just from
your video I see your system works. So thank you for this video.
Finally, a real review that goes in-depth on a laser cutter. I want to get one but realistically, I don't have the time to invest. Thanks for the info.
Thanks Marie for the video. What has been holding me back mostly is the software learning curve. I have enough problems working with Sketch-Up. You see all the things the engravers can do but there is a HUGE time commitment to achieve the end result. Your videos are always "spot on"! !! !!!
The software is easy to use, if you can use sketch up I’d think you’d get the hang of light burn etc. But if you getting a laser to make money, then think hard about it. But for a hobby, why not.
What an excellent video. Your presentation and no nonsense matter of fact demeanor is a breath of fresh air. I own a Xtool D1 pro and I am setting it up. Your explanation of items needed and how and why they are needed is spot on. Thank You
What an awesome video Marie. I loved your sign it looked great. Thank you for your detailed description of what a laser owner will have to go through as we used to say "Forewarned is forearmed"
A lot of TH-camrs don't necessarily talk about the learning curve and the number of failures before the piece finally comes out the way they want. Thanks for sharing some of that. I think it's probably a good idea to have more time on the software and a few designs ready to go before even buying the laser. If I ever decide to purchase one, I might go that route if possible. Thanks for your incite on lasers. I hope you stick with it and share the rest of your journey with all of us.
Agreed! Worth learning software and having some designs before even getting one. And definitely doing a lot of research!
Hell, i am even getting 3d prints (fiber) failures after 2 years. I am looking at getting a laser engraver and see what 'fun' i can have. Lol.
you mean insight...lol
Xtool laser engraver is coool ,just it seems high price for his honeycom laser bed, we saw HogarDecor only half price compare than Xtool laser bed.
this makes sense; it'll be less disappointing to have the designs ready as soon as setup is complete, plus, if you can start using the laser right away, itll provide return time, if necessary
Thank-you. I've been wanting to add a laser engraver/cutter and your "6 things to know " definitely helps. I got distracted while I evaluated the desktop/hobbyist CNC with laser option versus dedicated laser. I've now decided on dedicated laser with honeycomb, air assist and a custom enclosure. Thanks again!
Awesome, glad this was helpful in your decision!
I sure enjoy seeing a woman who enjoys wood working as a hobby. You and Tamar are two of my favorites. No hype or unnecessary drama seen on too many of the other wood channels, just good projects delivered with a smile and some good, well thought out and upbeat speaking. I hope you can make some good income from it and keep your videos up for a long time. We love Canada too. It’s been a favorite vacation spot for us for many years. You folks have your priorities right. I hope we can see Montreal before either of us cash in our chips.
same
I agree there is a big learning curve, but its been fun. I first bought a 10 watt diode laser, but quickly got a 60 watt CO2 laser and am really enjoying it. The focal point is the most critical part to get right, to get good clean cuts. Lightburn is definitely worth the time learning. Thanks for the review. Love your channel.
Thanks, that's encouraging! Will definitely look into lightburn
What machine(s) did you use. The same one with different laser, or 2 different machines?
Great informative and honest review. Thank you for not just trying to tell us all the great things about owning a laser engraver. I'll be watching more of your videos just based on your honesty!
Thanks for this information. Prevented me from getting myself into something that would take too much time and effort away from woodworking.
I've been wanting to invest in a laser for some time now and this vid was super helpful! Thank you for the open honesty, it's much appreciated!
Great info! I've been seriously thinking about buying the same unit, but was hesitant because of the very same things you mentioned. Thanks for answering several of my questions.
One of the best and honest videos on lasers I've seen... Thanks so much...
I notice most youtube give wrong information about the products or they dont mention cons side of the products. Thanks for being independent and honest.
Thanks for a comprehensive coverage of the plus/minus regarding your laser setup. You have covered everything one should be aware of.
I love that you had the same experiences as I did, and it was very helpful that you hung in there. I’ve been able to engrave several of my shop projects, but the learning curve cuts my hourly rate down to less than a dollar an hour. I sure hope that I (we) get better and faster at this soon. I guess that’s why they call these “hobby lasers”.
So make a "How i make $24 dollar a day with a laser" video and enjoy the fame.
This was really helpful. I see a lot of videos talking about the potential and side hustle opportunities these provide, but not much about the reality of using them. I defenitely see what they can add to a workshop, a lot of creative possiblities there, but now I see it's not printing money. Thanks for the video!
Exactly! Potential is there, but may take some time to unlock it. I hope I get there eventually :)
I have one and I think it's great and really useful, I would defend the laser engraver but, this said, I totally agree that it's important to also understand the downside and do some research before spending the money.
The potential for side jobs is 99% down to being in the right place at the right time and knowing the right people who want laser engraving for their business.
I like your video style and the way you convey the information. Very down to earth and easy to relate to. Nicely done!
A honest reviewer with a clear perception on lasers. Thank you.
Great video..I learned on a 5 watt Ortur that I bought on Aliexpress 3 years ago for $400 and I just upgraded to the Xtool 20 watt. I use it in my garage and as I am also in Canada I will set up a ventilation system for when winter hits. I love using the laser to engrave my logo and with the 20 watt it’s opened up the possibilities of making more signs. Lightburn is very user friendly and there are lots of TH-cam tutorials on it. But if you already have a CNC then the design principles are very similar. I agree with all your points and I think that some planning and forethought should go into it before making a purchase. This applies to any tool you’re thinking about purchasing.
Great video and very informative. I backed the Elegoo Phecda 20w Laser without really knowing what I was doing.. fortunately I bought all the extras with the Kickstarter promotion. First thing I had to do was get an enclosure and exhaust system. Thank you for making this video, everyone buying a Laser or new to Lasers should watch!
Wow thank you for such an honest review- Haven’t been able to find anybody honest as you!
Yes, thank you very much for saying something others seem to forget. My laser was a much cheaper one - I paid $300 for it. But then I had to pay as much for the cheapest fan, bed and enclosure solution I could find.
Thank you for being so honest. I too almost went for the laser engraver but decided not to get one. There is quite a learning curve as far as the software is concerned. I will continue with my woodworking projects and making sawdust........... Love the smell of freshly sawed cedar. You're the best.
Thanks for sharing all the different views on owning a laser engraving machine.. I have one that sits here and I've bought it because if tye trend a the time but also I thought I'd try something different. However , ince it's been sitting here staring back at me. Lol , 've decided to learn about it and give it a try. But I am happy you've given me all the ins and outs to why I haven't builtmy machine yet. And yes , aving that burnt smell of plastics and metals throughout my house would just give me a headache. So I will either build a box with a acuum hose and fan or try and buy one pre made for the model I have. All thanks to you sharing about your experiences with one. Thank you again for all the informative information. . .
Super useful! Thanks for sharing the points to consider, your actual setup and even the demo at the end :) (p.s. the logo came out very nice)
Excellent summary... and I absolutely agree that people should do a LOT of research before "taking the step"...
Your video offers an excellent overview of what's REALLY involved in using a diode LASER to DO stuff...
I just purchased XTool's new F1 unit - the one with the desktop air filter and the dual diodes.
Now, to be fair, the company where I work has a big CO2 LASER, so I'm quite familiar with the limitations, as well as the benefits.
And I've also got a lot of experience with graphic arts software... so that won't be a problem either.
I absolutely agree that the ads, as well as most of the FIY videos, tend to ignore quite a few really significant issues...
Like smoke and smell, and the experimentation required to choose settings, and even the materials themselves...
And most seem to sort of gloss over the fact that, when you "cut" with a LASER, you are basically burning through the material...
(It's not like in the sci-fi movies where the material just disappears when the beam hits it.)
I think it's also worth mentioning that a lot of the limitations CAN be overcome... but even that can be complicated.
For example, you CAN engrave on glass or clear acrylic with a diode LASER, but it's really complicated...
And it takes lots of extra steps...
And, if you watch the various videos, you'll see that many of the methods don't actually work especially well anyway...
(At this point a lot of this is still "experimental"... )
I think I would add one piece of advice... specifically for people who want to engrave photos and images...
Watch A LOT of videos about setting up your images... and how halftones work... and raster vs vector... and line vs fill...
There's a lot to learn there... and you need to get it right if you want to produce good looking artwork on a LASER...
If you just "import a a picture into LightBurn and hit print" you're probably NOT going to be happy with the results...
I would equate it to the person who "sets up a custom wood shop"... but neglects to consider sawdust... or tool maintenance.
Or the person who buys a computer... but has no idea how to use it or what good software costs... or of the learning curve involved.
Obviously "everyone" is NOT going to "come up with a LASER side hustle that will pay for the device in a week"...
(But is sure does seem like a lot of people want you to THINK it's that easy... 🤨)
And an awful lot of LASERs will end up on the shelf collecting dust...
This was by far the most informative video on laser cutters I've seen yet. I have a Cricut maker, a Creality Ender 3 3D printer and was considering getting the Creality Falcon 10W laser cutter so I can cut and engrave wood, leather, acrylic etc, to try to really round out my creative game. You've given me so much to think about. I never knew about the smell! I've seen in a lot of videos so far a lot of smoke and fumes coming up but as you say, the other TH-camrs don't mention that at all and make it seem like you can have it on the bench in your office with a window open for ventilation, which is clearly not the case. I'd be particulary concerned about cutting things like MDF which can give off formaldehyde.
It's a shame really as I'm not sure I have anywhere suitable to put it now. Your DIY enclosure is excellent. I also really appreciate you showing the fails while trying to get the cut right, I'm sure there's a lot of wasted material in the early stages while on the learning curve. Great video, very helpful!
wow. Thanks for sharing this info. Very informative
Very helpful video. I was looking for a laser station for leather engraving and cutting, but I didn't think about additional accessories at all. Thank you for the right direction.
Finding honest people like you that review products in youtube is close to imposible. Thank you very much.
so true
Really helpful, am actually looking at the xtool 20w same as you have. Your sign looked great if that's your first attempt you really have achieved a lot. I originally built my own laser with 5w optical power but have been wanting to upgrade.
That was really helpful.
Thank you!
Super thanks for the video. It was enlightening.
I have to say your very well organized work space is perfect btw.
I’ve been researching lasers for the last month. I love your video and your approach. Your video gives a clear picture of the investment needed to be competent.
I have been thinking about getting a laser engraver here lately. Thought it would be a really nice addition to my shop. Thank you so much for passing along the information that was very helpful. And that sign turned out nice. 👍. Thanks again.
Thanks! Hope this helps you in your thought process.
Thx for this very informativ video! One of the view I found on my researche, that really brings up the con's, the additional costs, the requirements. Would wish more creators would include these topics. Thx again!
Thank you for your honesty ❤
As someone who is no stranger to CNC, I worked in an engraving shop and a more stereotypical style shop. I just bought my first laser and got it set up and you make some valid points that I didn't even think of, number one being exhaust. I did find ; if you know where to look, fans can be found much less expensive price point if you're willing to sacrifice an outlet for it. that does circle back to "do your research"/"know what material you're using" this little laser cuts fabric like a dream and if you cut it damp there is no ignition point.
I will say that more proprietary software is light years ahead of what is out there right now open to the public in the ability of plug and play and has less of a learning curve, but the foundation is still the same so it will come with time and will almost become second nature knowing the idiosyncrasies with your machine.
Your one of the few that I look forward to seeing a video as a beginner . I've looked at lasers and working out of a 12x31 shed I've decided from your video this isnt for me. At 59 I have other things I need to learn or brush up on . Lol I took wood shop at school late 70s and worked in a Pattern and Model shop in the late 80s . So thanks for all you do ! Your Awesome!
I'm so grateful for your insights! Really made me think twice about buying a laser engraver. Thanks for keeping it real! 💡
Wow thank you for all the info. This video is great for someone that is considering to start a business. I was but is afraid to go into a trap. Appreciated
I enjoy watching your videos....down to earth....to the point and informative. its nice to see your success. I'm envious. I remember commenting on one of your first videos with the router table dust collection. That was a good study. I've been thinking about a laser or CNC as it is a great addition to a final project. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Thank you for your candid review and price list!
I appreciate your honesty here Marie. Imust have watched a dozen or more laser videos to see if a laser is right for my shop and few, if any, mention the things you have in this video, but then again, those were all "product provided for review but my opinions are my own", so not very reliable source material. And this is from some pretty big and popular woodworking channels too.
I'll eventually get a laser for the shop, but right now, the focus is strictly saving for a CNC.
Thanks again.
edit: I love the pineapple shirt. 🙂
thank you for this video!!!! so helpful
Great overview of the reality of laser cutters, and appreciate your honesty. I always found it amusing that other YT channels are cutting all sorts of materials wide open in a shop without any venting. As you mentioned, burning plastic, wood and other materials makes a very nasty smell and not good for your health. I'd rather spend the money on tools that I would actually use.
Really appreciate your honest and candid appraisal of the laser. Jury is still out for me!
Agree very much on the exhaust and smoke issue. I made a simple design with a closed and open plywood disk separated with zigzagged bamboo skewers. I weave a filter material in and out of the skewers and this catches most of the sticky particulates and is easy to clean. I have one for inside my 10 watt blue OLM3 and I have one on the end of my 65 watt Gweike Storm 600 CO2 laser that I poke out the window when using it. My 60W fibre laser is far less smoke causing but I wouldn't trust using it much for stainless steel without ventilation because of SS chromium content.
So glad I ran across your video… I was on the fence considering one of these. Too many negatives to dabble with the thing.
I like your video and your sensible approach to using and handling a laser engraver. Some very important and valid points which I will now be considering before setting up my laser engraver to make nameplates from etched anodized aluminum.
Thanks again for the awesome video ! - Best wishes from the UK 👍👍👍
for the love of god, If you are the type who has to have everything explained to you after you read the instructions DO NOT BUY A LASER you will BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN. The amount of dumb questions I see on laser FB groups is sickening. Its not a Cricut if Cricut was hard to learn for you DO NOT BUY A LASER. If you have ever had something break down and you had no idea how to troubleshoot it to find the problem, DO NOT BUY A LASER. If you would rather type a question that has been answered 100x into a FB group and not a search engine, DO NOT BUY A LASER. If you are not very comfortable using graphic design software. DO NOT BUY A LASER. If You don't know basic computer knowledge DO NOT BUY A LASER. Unless you have and understand other tools, DO NOT BUY A LASER. The difference between my CNC FB groups and Laser FB group members is almost night and day. I think it comes down to lasers are cheaper and more accessible so more people buy them on a whim dropping 5k on a CNC is not something you do unless you have a good idea what youre doing. People get lasers for christmas and anniversaries because they saw something lasered and want to get rich doing it too. If you think it will be hard, you are correct and shouldn't buy a laser. If you can troubleshoot small problems, like computers and graphic design, and have a small wood shop to cut and sand your own material then go for it.
First I really enjoy your teaching methods. You are descriptive and concise something missing in a number of u-tube videos.
I really enjoyed this video and your sign turned out great! Thanks!
Watching this helped me know that this laser life will not work for me or for my house, neighbours and family. This was such an informative video. Thank you!!! 😊
Superb video. Honest and straight to the point without as you said in other words, feeling obliged to positively review a product that is free, when you did not get yours for free. Well done!!! Much love from Scotland, ❤ X ...
Thanks for your honest point of view.
Best honest opinion about diode laser congratulations.
Thank you. Excellent video.
So very much needed.
Most of the other videos give the impression that it's very easy to get into.
I bought one and have enjoyed using it. I also have a CNC, which is the centre of my workflow. The laser, for me, is simply an accessory tool. I've seen others that have the laser as their main tool and it works well for them.
Hi Marie, great and honest video. 👍 if you want to learn lightburn I found a guy called Rich - the Louisiana hobby guy on TH-cam and he has a LOT of videos / tutorials explaining how to do a ton of things with lightburn and laser engravers / cutters in general… I’ve learnt loads on how to use my atomstack a5 pro.
Also, don’t quote me, but I think you may be able to cut clear acrylic (if it’s not too thick) if you paint the acrylic black first (so the light from the laser can be absorbed into it instead of reflected off it), then when it’s cut, just remove the black paint again with spirits etc
I hope that helps. 👍
I have come very close many times to buying a laser engraver, but haven't for most of the reasons you highlighted. Thanks for confirming most of my reservations. I think I would get more use from a CNC, which I know comes with many challenges and drawbacks, too. We'll see,
Thank you so much for this valuable information, this is extremely useful for me as someone who is planning on getting into laser engraving.
As well as the previously mentioned periodic tube replacement, co2 lasers seem to require expensive exhaust and cooling systems (add-on of course). I’m using $40 fire extinguishing balls above fire potential equipment (3D printers for now) but I still stay in the area. I probably have a laser in my future, so thanks for the information.
even Diode lasers need a ventilation system, I made a 30" Cube to put our 2 lasers inside, then ran 6"Inline fan with ducting out a window with a plywood flange.
So helpful! I was really considering this for leather, however I don’t want to have to learn software right now!
Nice to see your perspective, thank you very much indeed!
Excellent helpful video as I look to consider a similar purchase and/or setup. Thank you
This is very informative. Just what I was looking for and very timely. I appreciate you taking the time to do this video. Thank you! PS: You just gained a new subscriber and am looking forward to more videos.
Probably the biggest thing I learned is to do testing. Test using test coupons to get settings optimal before doing the actual work piece.
My next project will be a electronics test equipment rack that will be 14" tall and 13" wide x 11.5" deep. Material will be 1/4" birch plywood held together with 1/2" wood dowels. To get the correct hole size to fit the dowels will require some testing as will the best speed setting. Will use the xtool 40W blue laser, probably start at 50% power setting then adjust speed for optimal results on some scrap wood.
Excellent summary of the pro's and cons of lasers. Subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
Great video, thanks for sharing your experience. Greetings from Holland.
Just like you I did not do enough research before buying my laser cutter and 6 months later it sits on a shelf, having only done a couple of test engravings. Thanks for the video.
Wow this video is sooooo useful. Thank you
Nice work on the sign Marie! it turned out real nice :) Thanks for always sharing with us!💖👍😎JP
I run an Atomstack 20watt laser with the metal Atomstack enclosure with lightburn for exhaust I just installed a dryer vent with an inline exhaust fan it works great.
Great review!
Thank you for the review of a Laser engraver, I learned a lot. Thank you!
Thank you so much for your video, I've been thinking of starting my own business, I have several options and one was this, but now I'll cross this one off my list, it's too much trouble, great honest video, thank you
Very awesome! Thanks for this, it was very helpful.
I would say it depends on your sales forecast model, the savings from your productivity improvement and the difference in revenue between the way you're doing it now and projected way you'd be doing it after the purchase.
Very useful video, you presented the issue in great way. Thank you 🙏🏼
Always a great Video, Thank you
Thank you for the unbiased review. I'm sure most of the creators who receive free tools are well intentioned and do not lie to their audience on purpose, but when you receive a tool for free it's not the same thing as buying it. I've bought tools that I thought were not great but usable, if I got them for free I would have been happier about them for sure. It's just normal/human.
Great information, thanks.
Very informative video. Thank you
Really great review - we have the Ortur LM2 10W, and you're absolutely right, you need an enclosure 100%. It's the main reason I'm not using it at the moment, I gotta sit down and make one for it.
I have two diode lasers, one co2 laser, three FDM printers and two resin printers. I print and sell all types of things. and no the lasers do not stink if you use an enclosure. I make several hundred dollars a week extra without even looking for work. This is like any other hobby that requires time in in order to learn the hobby. Many people are not willing to invest the time!
I have not been interested in purchasing one of these. But I think this confirms I will not be getting one anytime soon. And definitely need to find out any quirks these tools have before purchasing one.
Thanks for all the is information.
i subscribed the second you are not sponsored. more people should start doing that