I recently started my own business and am currently using Angi lead. I agree with everything your saying. Seems like I’m throwing a bunch of money up in the air an barely ending up with a hundred bucks in my pocket at the end of the day.
It depends what trade you do and what services you are offering . Dont use it as main place for finding customers but as one of ways. Turn off leads and only hunt opportunities. 😎🇷🇸
@@olgahernandez1099 Same, they don't let me request for credit for leads that weren't even for me. I do concrete work and I received leads that were for framing decks. Called customer support and they said I was ineligible to get credit. This even after already investing my time and checking out the homeowner's project. You might say "how did you not find out that the lead wasn't for you until you visited their home....." well...... the leads project details said this "Install Concrete Patios, Walks, and Steps - Project Details "Would like an estimate for patio and possible balconies". During my conversation with them the first time I called them, I mentioned to them "We do concrete and we can come and check out your patio and give you an estimate" I guess they didn't hear me correctly because they said "great! see you tomorrow!"..... It's just ridiculous at this point. I already invested the time of my day to go and find out that the project wasn't even for me and to finish it off Angi's leads will not give me credit for this.
I spend about 1 hour per day walking and hanging business cards on doors. Which incidentally completes my " walking exercise ". Out of 100 cards I average 17 calls and actually go to 3 homes to give an estimate on a painting job. While I'm there I'm scanning for other things such as a dripping faucet, dirty air conditioning condenser, clogged up dryer vent, dirty a/c vents. I also offer a $50 referral fee. When I do a job I give a $50 discount if they allow me to place a sign in front of their house. Another thing I do is place business cards on the customers neighbors doors while I'm working everyday at the location. I send Happy birthday cards, Happy Holidays cards to previous customers. The point is to " ALWAYS BE IN FRONT OF YOUR CUSTOMERS " they will always send you referrals.
That has been our experience as well. We are in the Chicago and Northwest Indiana area. Fortunately most of our leads come from reputation and word of mouth. We have been working on marketing our selves a little more to fill in the blanks. With material shortages come the joyful challenges of running a business lol. You do get leads from Angi Leads, but the ROI is just far lower than organic leads. Plus it has you way over managing things with crummy leads. I would agree.
This has been going on quite sometime now. Thumbtack is even worse! Thanks for sharing this content especially for new business owners who are unaware and most vulnerable to get advertisement.
Thumbtack is fine. I’ve had plenty of days making $400, $500, $600 a day installing window blinds, ceiling fans and assembling furniture with thumbtack leads.I just hate that they share the leads with other contractors.
I’m a consumer and I was fished in just as you said when looking for a fencing company. I had even included that I was not ready to buy just wanted advice and possible costs. I was deluged with phone calls which I finally stopped answering (sorry). I was feeling that I personally mislead these companies although I clearly wrote that it was a consult not a job. Then - I started to get harassed by the blood sucking referral company. They emailed and messaged me several times asking how the job went - did the company do well? What the hell are you talking about I wrote? I did not hire anyone. It was supposed to be a referral from a local company. Anyway I immediately felt sorry for every mislead company. And that was before I learned here that they actually paid for my info! Now when I look up a company for any job I read that leading line closely to may sure I’m not going through one of those referral thieves. Thanks
Honestly, nothing. People won’t find it it will find them, via flyers and brochures. The landing page will be details and images about previous projects and a list of services provided. Customer can then follow up with phone call. I will also reach out to follow. No forms or contact information will be listed on my site from me or from clients. Because these sharks will stop at nothing to steal personal information and sell it, on top of what you mentioned. So I have to be vigilant.
Agree with you. As you have said, Home Advisor bought out Service All who was an excellent business. Now Home Advisor and Angies are the same and unlike Service All who never sold our info but gave us their contractors list for our jobs and we contacted who we wanted. I tried explaining Angies to others, but......keep spreading the word. Maybe a Podcast🤔
I'm a rep with Angi leads formerly home advisor and my director confirmed leads are sold to 3 different companies but there are 3 ways for customers to connect with you
I have Angie’s I’m so tired of it so much money last person I called said panel upgrade in the description cost me 119$ all he wanted was a price for a freaking outlet change 🤦♂️
As a homeowner looking for contractors, I avoid the 'lead-finding' services. The reasons come down to everything I suspected (now confirmed by your video and viewer comments). In the end, I do not want to wind up screwing the people I am trying to hire, pay, and trust.
Using Thumbtack and I’ve gotten some jobs and got good reviews. I set my leads to relatively cheap but sometimes they set me up with leads that won’t even hire me and still charge me.
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. It use to be up to six. The last official number I heard was 3. Another thing to consider is that a lot of times people will fill out a form on some random website and their contact info will be sold to the highest bidder. HomeAdvisor and the other platforms are the bidders... The whole lead reselling industry is pretty muddy on morals.
Angie's list was terrible to our company, giving us fake leads and they still listed our company on their website after we cancelled our pro membership to their company so they could steer customers still to their company using our name.
Personally, I'm doing simple basic lawn maintenance, my jobs are usually 40-80 bucks total cost. Angi's thinks its ok to charge me 40-50 bucks per lead of those types. I really hope this class action lawsuit comes out positively for us contractors. Angi's really likes to fuck us over.
@@davidbohannon6087 no its not, my smallest lead has been 35 bucks. Usually they charge me around 48 dollars on average. I am currently USING THEIR SERVICE, so you can't tell me what the leads "probably are"... Bitch, I am literally being exploited by angi's leads at this moment and being charged a crazy ass amount where i'm calling them weekly and arguing with them.
The bad thing is now the clients dont trust contractors or they decide after job is completed the clients decide not to pay years ago word of mouth was how contractors got more leads and if theres no word of mouth then the contractors shouldn't be in business either too expensive or just suck at thier trade
You are 100 pct correct. I watch TH-cam reviews everyone was negative. More than one replied to my comment. Home advisor was sued by contractors in class action. Colorado attorney General Sued then as well. One stated that they contact you for a service you don't perform, dog walker, you reply thinking it's for your trade , instead was for the non related to your service. They bill you and the one to contact. Home advisor keeps on until someone is hired for that service. I even had hate mail as they were taken advantage of, warned me it's a scam, several Colorado news cast were aired.
Not inly do they not add value, they either hurt the contractors’ bottom line or force the consumer to pay hundreds of dollars as a premium for the same exact work to be done. These marketing companies just suck billions of dollars out of peoples’ pockets
Yea that’s why i don’t like them. They wiggle in between producers and consumers and take without giving. No value is exactly correct. It’s also a bad mentality to say “easily compare multiple quotes” when it actually takes a lot of time on the contractor side and makes the focus money instead of quality or customer service.
I became a roofing contractor 2 weeks ago just over the border from you here in Spokane. I know there is high demand and contractors overbooked but I have spent 1000 dollars and leads and haven’t got a single job. Only got one person to even pick up the phone, having to spend $40-$250 on a single lead. My Facebook ad that I spent $100 on produced 3 leads in 5 days. Hoping I can get a refund but what an absolute scam
I'm paying $70 per lead. I have to get and call 7 leads in order to close one sale. That's $490 per lead that gets me sale that I might make 1,000 - 2,000. Angi Leads / Home Advisor made 22 million profit in 2018.
Me also,out of my 12 leads past 2 days 4 were good.the 3 hvac installs i got i will make me about 7k.but i was so surprised how much leads were and how fast bill went up i just shut leads off until i do these jobs and i will probably turn on after. I have mixed feelings right now about them.
Any advice for a carpet cleaning company that is struggling with getting customers and competing with tons of other companies in Arizona. I tried google ads but it didn’t work
1. Google Maps (Google My Business) Listing w/ as many reviews as you can get. 2. A professional website that has a dedicated page for each type of customer ie. commercial, rentals, homeowners, etc. 3. Unique profiles on various other websites with accurate company info ie. Yelp, Facebook, Houzz, etc. Once you have all this locked down, then I would look into: - Google Local Service Ads - Facebook Ads - Google Ads in that order. If budget or time is a constraint, go knock on doors and let people take a picture of your business card. (They won't lose the picture but they'll lose the card)
Even though you got a website, as do alot of other people,.. there still needs to be work on the back end of the websites..... Just bc you have a website,. Doesn't mean you are going to show up right away. You still have someone doing the work on the backend.. it's not just get a website,.. get customers,.. far from it,.. explain all the backend work,. Seo etc . Please,.. and j will also do the same
@@chuckthecontractor Thank you for your reply bud. I sent an email from ankush@zipleaddigital.com, please check when you can. Thanks again and talk to you soon.
hey you saying that they are bogus leads, leads me to believe that you didnt call them back in reasonable amounts of time. Im not sure how to operate a skid loader, doesnt mean it does not work
You believe wrong. It doesn’t matter how quickly you call when the person never answers or when they do they say they’re not interested in that. I base my videos off what I and hundreds of others have experienced. People call me every day telling me how Angie’s lost used to be great but these days it’s mostly garbage. Surely some of them aren’t great salespeople but some of them really are, and they say the same thing!
Thanks! Got it in Mexico City during the world cup a few years back. Was so cool walking through the streets hearing people cheer from all over the place.
So I have a question. You don't like these "lead sellers" because they show up above the actual contractors? That's their whole point. They do everything you did to make your own website and then sell that to contractors who don't want to make their own website. What's so bad about that? I understand that they charge per lead and that every lead won't lead to a sell. And this sounds like an ad. I'm curious how I am wrong.
I have no problem with the concept. It's actually a great idea and it used to work really well. Over time, however, it's become a lot more competitive (expensive) to show up on top of Google and so the prices have been driven up. These huge corporations make this happen even faster. My issue is that the lead reselling services are damaging a lot of businesses. The value has gone way down, the leads are often bogus, they're sold to 6 contractors at once, and 95% of contractors I talk to have had a horrible experience with it. The customer service is garbage as well. That's the problem. This isn't my opinion, it's based on the hundreds of business owners who have called me and told me about their horrible experience. I get calls every day with people telling me that it used to work but now it doesn't and now they are stopping the service and their back to square one. The goal with my company is to help contractors and construction companies get established with assets they own, such as a website, that can bring in customers sustainably and give them control and autonomy over their business. Once they have a foundational marketing system going, I often suggest trying other things such as buying leads if they need more volume, but warn them that it's a difficult way to make a profit for most.
Because I could create a website and it will be buried underneath all the big guns willing to pay Google lots of money to appear first. This guy will teach you how to appear first when people dona Google search, but don't think it will be cheap
Lmao its far beyond what you know Not only do they own Angie's they own 4 other big name lead companies I know because I never signed with them And some how customers where telling me they got my # on H.A. thanks for sharing.
Ya come to find out that all these lead gen companies buy leads from but a few sources and flip them. I talked to the owner of a smaller lead reseller and he spilled the beans on how incestual the industry is. In another vid i put my contact info into a website called Powell and Sons and a guy from HoneAdvisor called me lol I say skip the middle man and just get your own business on Google. It’s not that hard.
I use Wordpress with these plugins: Elementor for the page builder and Gravity forms for the contact forms. Wordpress .org, not .com. They are different. Let me know if you have more questions.
@@Daedroh nop, in the contrary according to the contract the client just pay 30% of the remaining balance inside the yearly contract. And have to mention that since I asked for the cancellation they decided to send me real clients. But I am already decided.
I haven't used it personally, only talked to people that use it, maybe 20 or so. it sounds like it's right on par with the rest of the lead resellers. They all buy the leads (contact info) from the same places so they often have the same leads on their platforms.
I talk to folks who buy leads on a daily basis. 90% of them are looking for a way out of paying for a whole bunch of stuff they consider junk. The other 10% has found a way to make it work for them. They must have a super high turnover rate on contractors. There are a lot of contractors though and constantly new ones being made. Another thought is that Angi sort of has a monopoly. They often hog up the first page of Google. Angie's List, HomeAdvisor, Angi Leads, and Angi Ads are all these same company but they have multiple websites. They also funnel a lot of leads from other websites. I did a video about this. Leads come from all over the internet. Companies like Angi buy them on the open market and flip them to you, the contractor, for a profit. I'm sure they've done the math and as long as they keep signing up new contractors to buy these leads, they can keep operating the same way. They have a very aggressive sales model...
also if a contractor tries to see what a certain job is going for to give an estimate I'll use Google it pulls Angie or home A and to get a quote you fill an area and job slip that you need done and ur city and hit get quote it sends it to a contractor and one called me and all I was doing was getting an estimate on average to make sure I didn't over charge and it was sent to that contractor and he paid for that fake lead that was made by me another contractor just to try to see the cost now if a customer says oh I want a quote to have this done and see the average cost they would see that and fill it out and boom another fake lead, infact that customer more than likely didn't even decide if they wanted the job to be done they just wanted to see a price range, yrs of that and recycled leads and contractors get screwed,
I am getting charged 70 per lead for hvac install 3 out of the 12 leads were good. I still made money but just was so surprised how many were bad leads and some already got another contractor. I have mixed feelings right now.
That’s pretty typical. It’s a cutthroat sales game when you’re instantly competing for those sales. You really need to go all out and call people immediately. Keep tracking your numbers very close and look for ways to increase profitability and repeat business. Get these people to leave reviews on Google Maps. Eventually you’ll get leads from there and they will be much higher quality.
Hi please I hope you can give me useful information. I started about 3months ago with Angi Ads and I pay the 600 monthly price for not guaranteed contacts I thought maybe I should switch to Angi Leads and I'm not sure how to do that. Because yeah the first month was good contacts now I been there for 3months and last 2nonths like all crap contacts. The contacts are not answering phones, etc. I just thought okay I should atleast be with Angi Leads then instead.
That's what a lot of people have been telling me lately. It's good for a month or so and then drops off. The owner of a lead gen company similar to HomeAdvisor told me that they might be front running good leads to new customers to make them feel like it's working and then taper them into the normal leads... Sounds like a ponzi scheme. I'm not saying this is happening but it's one of the theories floating around out there.
Angies list and Home Advisor is garbage, they charge so much for a ton of leads where people are not even remotely ready to commit or leads that are just completetly fake. I barely broke even the 1 year we had it for our business but I will never get all the time back I wasted which is priceless. Stay clear of them! Btw it took so many conversations for them to close my account, I had to call back again and they somehow still hadn't cancelled our account, total Scammers!
@@tomstawarski3873 Facebook ads might work for you. Target your area but leave the rest of the targeting open. Make the ad say "Write down this number and call when you have computer problems." My guess you would get a lot of older folks writing your number down. Lord knows they have a ton of computer problems. Hit me up if you have questions about this.
"value less/blood suck lead resellers" in one breathe and "lot of people haven't figured out how to rank their site" in another. Lol Sounds like you pointed out the value they provide.
The value they are supposed to provide. Unfortunately their services suck ass on the back end so it doesn't really fix the problem, just creates a whole other one. To add to it, the more you invest in their marketing and less in yours, the further away you are from being able to stand on your own two feet as a business.
It's not easy... If you can't get them to relinquish your responsibility to pay, then another option people have used is to cancel the payment through the bank. In the cases I know of, they always get sent to collections. Sorry I don't have a better thing to say about this.
I can show you how I get my own leads: contractors.adaptdigitalsolutions.com/how-contractors-get-leads
This is so accurate I to used service magic AKA Home Advisor about 10 years ago it was lucrative.
Now no way!
I recently started my own business and am currently using Angi lead. I agree with everything your saying. Seems like I’m throwing a bunch of money up in the air an barely ending up with a hundred bucks in my pocket at the end of the day.
I am so disappointed with Angie’s list
It depends what trade you do and what services you are offering . Dont use it as main place for finding customers but as one of ways. Turn off leads and only hunt opportunities. 😎🇷🇸
Hey I run google ads I can generate you leads
@@olgahernandez1099 Same, they don't let me request for credit for leads that weren't even for me. I do concrete work and I received leads that were for framing decks. Called customer support and they said I was ineligible to get credit. This even after already investing my time and checking out the homeowner's project. You might say "how did you not find out that the lead wasn't for you until you visited their home....."
well...... the leads project details said this "Install Concrete Patios, Walks, and Steps - Project Details "Would like an estimate for patio and possible balconies". During my conversation with them the first time I called them, I mentioned to them "We do concrete and we can come and check out your patio and give you an estimate" I guess they didn't hear me correctly because they said "great! see you tomorrow!".....
It's just ridiculous at this point. I already invested the time of my day to go and find out that the project wasn't even for me and to finish it off Angi's leads will not give me credit for this.
I've been suspicious of fake leads since the beginning and I just caught them on it... Idk how many thousands they stole from us...
I spend about 1 hour per day walking and hanging business cards on doors. Which incidentally completes my " walking exercise ". Out of 100 cards I average 17 calls and actually go to 3 homes to give an estimate on a painting job. While I'm there I'm scanning for other things such as a dripping faucet, dirty air conditioning condenser, clogged up dryer vent, dirty a/c vents. I also offer a $50 referral fee. When I do a job I give a $50 discount if they allow me to place a sign in front of their house. Another thing I do is place business cards on the customers neighbors doors while I'm working everyday at the location. I send Happy birthday cards, Happy Holidays cards to previous customers. The point is to " ALWAYS BE IN FRONT OF YOUR CUSTOMERS " they will always send you referrals.
I love this Mario. Thanks for sharing.
That has been our experience as well. We are in the Chicago and Northwest Indiana area. Fortunately most of our leads come from reputation and word of mouth. We have been working on marketing our selves a little more to fill in the blanks. With material shortages come the joyful challenges of running a business lol. You do get leads from Angi Leads, but the ROI is just far lower than organic leads. Plus it has you way over managing things with crummy leads. I would agree.
You're exactly right. I couldn't agree more. Some people think running a business is easy. If it were, everyone would do it! Cheers.
This has been going on quite sometime now. Thumbtack is even worse! Thanks for sharing this content especially for new business owners who are unaware and most vulnerable to get advertisement.
Thanks Denise. I haven't used Thumbtack in a long time but I haven't heard anything good.
What do you recommend for leads
Thumbtack was bought by angi
Tumbtack for me has been great
Thumbtack is fine. I’ve had plenty of days making $400, $500, $600 a day installing window blinds, ceiling fans and assembling furniture with thumbtack leads.I just hate that they share the leads with other contractors.
I’m a consumer and I was fished in just as you said when looking for a fencing company. I had even included that I was not ready to buy just wanted advice and possible costs. I was deluged with phone calls which I finally stopped answering (sorry). I was feeling that I personally mislead these companies although I clearly wrote that it was a consult not a job. Then - I started to get harassed by the blood sucking referral company. They emailed and messaged me several times asking how the job went - did the company do well? What the hell are you talking about I wrote? I did not hire anyone. It was supposed to be a referral from a local company. Anyway I immediately felt sorry for every mislead company. And that was before I learned here that they actually paid for my info! Now when I look up a company for any job I read that leading line closely to may sure I’m not going through one of those referral thieves. Thanks
Thank you. I shared your comment in a video. I appreciate that you shared this.
Before the video was finish I was locked in to his website.
Thanks for this because I was this 👌🏽close to signing up for Houz. But I don’t want any online presence after seeing this. Just a simple landing page.
What are you trying to achieve with your landing page? How will people find it?
Honestly, nothing. People won’t find it it will find them, via flyers and brochures. The landing page will be details and images about previous projects and a list of services provided. Customer can then follow up with phone call. I will also reach out to follow. No forms or contact information will be listed on my site from me or from clients. Because these sharks will stop at nothing to steal personal information and sell it, on top of what you mentioned. So I have to be vigilant.
Agree with you. As you have said, Home Advisor bought out Service All who was an excellent business. Now Home Advisor and Angies are the same and unlike Service All who never sold our info but gave us their contractors list for our jobs and we contacted who we wanted.
I tried explaining Angies to others, but......keep spreading the word. Maybe a Podcast🤔
It's tough getting the word out there but it's important! Podcasting would be fun!
I'm a rep with Angi leads formerly home advisor and my director confirmed leads are sold to 3 different companies but there are 3 ways for customers to connect with you
Cool, thanks for the info.
Angi Leads were taking money from my account after 3 attempts to close my account. They’re terrible
I have Angie’s I’m so tired of it so much money last person I called said panel upgrade in the description cost me 119$ all he wanted was a price for a freaking outlet change 🤦♂️
Yikes. Sorry to hear about that. Lame!
I gave a handyman a lifetime membership with $300 in lead credits his average leads were about $30 he closed 2 leads and he made over $400 per job
That's great!
Just in good days
I am facing the same issue. They are charging a lot for nothing at the end and now we are ending paying a lot of money for no service at all.
Sorry to hear that.
how can i get out of contact. its been less than thirty days and they never told me i would have to pay 2500 to cancel
As a homeowner looking for contractors, I avoid the 'lead-finding' services. The reasons come down to everything I suspected (now confirmed by your video and viewer comments). In the end, I do not want to wind up screwing the people I am trying to hire, pay, and trust.
Good on you for taking the time to understand the situation and decide how you want to impact the situation.
I also started my business a few months ago and having the same results. So, not using any leads any longer!
Nice work!
Awesome explanation!!!!
Thanks Rolls.
Good information, they keep calling and send emails to subscribe, I did consider joining, not any more.
It works for a select few. IMO it's better to seek marketing methods that you can control and own, like websites.
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Using Thumbtack and I’ve gotten some jobs and got good reviews. I set my leads to relatively cheap but sometimes they set me up with leads that won’t even hire me and still charge me.
home advisor they told me it only goes to 2 people but leads are telling me 8 different companies called them b4 me
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. It use to be up to six. The last official number I heard was 3. Another thing to consider is that a lot of times people will fill out a form on some random website and their contact info will be sold to the highest bidder. HomeAdvisor and the other platforms are the bidders... The whole lead reselling industry is pretty muddy on morals.
Angie's list was terrible to our company, giving us fake leads and they still listed our company on their website after we cancelled our pro membership to their company so they could steer customers still to their company using our name.
Personally, I'm doing simple basic lawn maintenance, my jobs are usually 40-80 bucks total cost. Angi's thinks its ok to charge me 40-50 bucks per lead of those types. I really hope this class action lawsuit comes out positively for us contractors. Angi's really likes to fuck us over.
Nah the lead is probably around 20 bucks
@@davidbohannon6087 no its not, my smallest lead has been 35 bucks. Usually they charge me around 48 dollars on average. I am currently USING THEIR SERVICE, so you can't tell me what the leads "probably are"... Bitch, I am literally being exploited by angi's leads at this moment and being charged a crazy ass amount where i'm calling them weekly and arguing with them.
thanks for your answer
Always welcome
The bad thing is now the clients dont trust contractors or they decide after job is completed the clients decide not to pay years ago word of mouth was how contractors got more leads and if theres no word of mouth then the contractors shouldn't be in business either too expensive or just suck at thier trade
You are 100 pct correct.
I watch TH-cam reviews everyone was negative.
More than one replied to my comment.
Home advisor was sued by contractors in class action. Colorado attorney General
Sued then as well.
One stated that they contact you for a service you don't perform, dog walker, you reply thinking it's for your trade , instead was for the non related to your service.
They bill you and the one to contact. Home advisor keeps on until someone is hired for that service.
I even had hate mail as they were taken advantage of, warned me it's a scam, several Colorado news cast were aired.
Ya Jeff. The number of calls I get from people wanting to join a class action lawsuit is ridiculous.
Not inly do they not add value, they either hurt the contractors’ bottom line or force the consumer to pay hundreds of dollars as a premium for the same exact work to be done. These marketing companies just suck billions of dollars out of peoples’ pockets
Yea that’s why i don’t like them. They wiggle in between producers and consumers and take without giving. No value is exactly correct. It’s also a bad mentality to say “easily compare multiple quotes” when it actually takes a lot of time on the contractor side and makes the focus money instead of quality or customer service.
I became a roofing contractor 2 weeks ago just over the border from you here in Spokane. I know there is high demand and contractors overbooked but I have spent 1000 dollars and leads and haven’t got a single job. Only got one person to even pick up the phone, having to spend $40-$250 on a single lead. My Facebook ad that I spent $100 on produced 3 leads in 5 days. Hoping I can get a refund but what an absolute scam
Hey neighbor! Roofing is competitive. If you can get FB Ads to work it will be much better than buying leads from resellers.
Did you get a refund?
I'm paying $70 per lead. I have to get and call 7 leads in order to close one sale. That's $490 per lead that gets me sale that I might make 1,000 - 2,000. Angi Leads / Home Advisor made 22 million profit in 2018.
200-400% profit isn't bad.
Me also,out of my 12 leads past 2 days 4 were good.the 3 hvac installs i got i will make me about 7k.but i was so surprised how much leads were and how fast bill went up i just shut leads off until i do these jobs and i will probably turn on after. I have mixed feelings right now about them.
Any advice for a carpet cleaning company that is struggling with getting customers and competing with tons of other companies in Arizona. I tried google ads but it didn’t work
1. Google Maps (Google My Business) Listing w/ as many reviews as you can get.
2. A professional website that has a dedicated page for each type of customer ie. commercial, rentals, homeowners, etc.
3. Unique profiles on various other websites with accurate company info ie. Yelp, Facebook, Houzz, etc.
Once you have all this locked down, then I would look into:
- Google Local Service Ads
- Facebook Ads
- Google Ads
in that order.
If budget or time is a constraint, go knock on doors and let people take a picture of your business card. (They won't lose the picture but they'll lose the card)
Before the internet we had the yellow pages phone book
google calls me wanting me to do it, that's one thing they will do if you use home advisor they will call and offer to put it at the top of the list
Great content! Thanks
Thanks Amanda!
Even though you got a website, as do alot of other people,.. there still needs to be work on the back end of the websites..... Just bc you have a website,. Doesn't mean you are going to show up right away.
You still have someone doing the work on the backend.. it's not just get a website,.. get customers,.. far from it,.. explain all the backend work,. Seo etc . Please,.. and j will also do the same
Why are these companies legal? How can you get up on google if they are paying google to be the first result?
They do the same type of marketing that is available to you. They resell the leads therefore they can spend more than you can.
Brilliant!
Cheers
hey man, great useful videos. Keep it up. I reached out via your website and left a message.
Hey glad you found it useful! I didn't see any messages from you. Feel free to email me: chuck@adaptdigitalsolutions.com.
@@chuckthecontractor Thank you for your reply bud. I sent an email from ankush@zipleaddigital.com, please check when you can. Thanks again and talk to you soon.
hey you saying that they are bogus leads, leads me to believe that you didnt call them back in reasonable amounts of time. Im not sure how to operate a skid loader, doesnt mean it does not work
You believe wrong. It doesn’t matter how quickly you call when the person never answers or when they do they say they’re not interested in that. I base my videos off what I and hundreds of others have experienced. People call me every day telling me how Angie’s lost used to be great but these days it’s mostly garbage. Surely some of them aren’t great salespeople but some of them really are, and they say the same thing!
Well said Chuck. Wish I would have watched this before the Angie scammed me.
Sorry you got scammed.
how do i get out of angi list contract. its been less than 30 days and they never told me it would cost 2500 to cancel
It's up to $175 for a kitchen remodel
Ouch. That's pricy!
Nice shirt!!!!👌👌
Thanks! Got it in Mexico City during the world cup a few years back. Was so cool walking through the streets hearing people cheer from all over the place.
@@chuckthecontractor 👌👌
Fire jersey 🇲🇽
Thanks!
So I have a question. You don't like these "lead sellers" because they show up above the actual contractors? That's their whole point. They do everything you did to make your own website and then sell that to contractors who don't want to make their own website. What's so bad about that? I understand that they charge per lead and that every lead won't lead to a sell. And this sounds like an ad. I'm curious how I am wrong.
I have no problem with the concept. It's actually a great idea and it used to work really well. Over time, however, it's become a lot more competitive (expensive) to show up on top of Google and so the prices have been driven up. These huge corporations make this happen even faster.
My issue is that the lead reselling services are damaging a lot of businesses. The value has gone way down, the leads are often bogus, they're sold to 6 contractors at once, and 95% of contractors I talk to have had a horrible experience with it. The customer service is garbage as well. That's the problem.
This isn't my opinion, it's based on the hundreds of business owners who have called me and told me about their horrible experience. I get calls every day with people telling me that it used to work but now it doesn't and now they are stopping the service and their back to square one.
The goal with my company is to help contractors and construction companies get established with assets they own, such as a website, that can bring in customers sustainably and give them control and autonomy over their business. Once they have a foundational marketing system going, I often suggest trying other things such as buying leads if they need more volume, but warn them that it's a difficult way to make a profit for most.
Because I could create a website and it will be buried underneath all the big guns willing to pay Google lots of money to appear first.
This guy will teach you how to appear first when people dona Google search, but don't think it will be cheap
Lmao its far beyond what you know Not only do they own Angie's they own 4 other big name lead companies I know because I never signed with them And some how customers where telling me they got my # on H.A. thanks for sharing.
Ya come to find out that all these lead gen companies buy leads from but a few sources and flip them. I talked to the owner of a smaller lead reseller and he spilled the beans on how incestual the industry is. In another vid i put my contact info into a website called Powell and Sons and a guy from HoneAdvisor called me lol
I say skip the middle man and just get your own business on Google. It’s not that hard.
Hey man side bar - how do you get your mouse to make that red selection rectangle?
It's an app called Presentify
If we no longer had the internet platforms anymore to be scammed people would get back to the yellow pages
what did you use to make your website?
I use Wordpress with these plugins: Elementor for the page builder and Gravity forms for the contact forms. Wordpress .org, not .com. They are different. Let me know if you have more questions.
I just got bit by Angi Ads, now looking for a way no cancel and my money back
Did you cancel and get a refund?
@@Daedroh nop, in the contrary according to the contract the client just pay 30% of the remaining balance inside the yearly contract. And have to mention that since I asked for the cancellation they decided to send me real clients. But I am already decided.
“Blood sucking… I mean…” this had me rolling in laughter 🤣🤣🤣
Haha let that one slip out.
I would like to talk with someone at your company about SEO!
Fill out the form on my website
I find it funny that they put an add on your video so technically they're paying you to talk
Who put an ad on my video? My channel is not monetized so I make $0 from TH-cam.
Yeah they sell it to 6 contractors and only one obviously gets the job but they keep all the other contractors money
What do u think of craft jack.
I haven't used it personally, only talked to people that use it, maybe 20 or so. it sounds like it's right on par with the rest of the lead resellers. They all buy the leads (contact info) from the same places so they often have the same leads on their platforms.
But people still pay them for leads how are they in business when many people hate them?
I talk to folks who buy leads on a daily basis. 90% of them are looking for a way out of paying for a whole bunch of stuff they consider junk. The other 10% has found a way to make it work for them. They must have a super high turnover rate on contractors. There are a lot of contractors though and constantly new ones being made.
Another thought is that Angi sort of has a monopoly. They often hog up the first page of Google. Angie's List, HomeAdvisor, Angi Leads, and Angi Ads are all these same company but they have multiple websites. They also funnel a lot of leads from other websites. I did a video about this. Leads come from all over the internet. Companies like Angi buy them on the open market and flip them to you, the contractor, for a profit. I'm sure they've done the math and as long as they keep signing up new contractors to buy these leads, they can keep operating the same way. They have a very aggressive sales model...
also if a contractor tries to see what a certain job is going for to give an estimate I'll use Google it pulls Angie or home A and to get a quote you fill an area and job slip that you need done and ur city and hit get quote it sends it to a contractor and one called me and all I was doing was getting an estimate on average to make sure I didn't over charge and it was sent to that contractor and he paid for that fake lead that was made by me another contractor just to try to see the cost now if a customer says oh I want a quote to have this done and see the average cost they would see that and fill it out and boom another fake lead, infact that customer more than likely didn't even decide if they wanted the job to be done they just wanted to see a price range, yrs of that and recycled leads and contractors get screwed,
I am getting charged 70 per lead for hvac install 3 out of the 12 leads were good. I still made money but just was so surprised how many were bad leads and some already got another contractor. I have mixed feelings right now.
That’s pretty typical. It’s a cutthroat sales game when you’re instantly competing for those sales. You really need to go all out and call people immediately.
Keep tracking your numbers very close and look for ways to increase profitability and repeat business. Get these people to leave reviews on Google Maps. Eventually you’ll get leads from there and they will be much higher quality.
@@chuckthecontractor thanks man.
I do Hvac out of Chicago jus tryna get my feet wet wat should I sign up 4
preach
So you selling a product also ?
I sell marketing services now.
Hi please I hope you can give me useful information. I started about 3months ago with Angi Ads and I pay the 600 monthly price for not guaranteed contacts I thought maybe I should switch to Angi Leads and I'm not sure how to do that. Because yeah the first month was good contacts now I been there for 3months and last 2nonths like all crap contacts. The contacts are not answering phones, etc. I just thought okay I should atleast be with Angi Leads then instead.
They are both the same company. I haven’t heard of any lead resellers that don’t have crap contacts.
Angie leads worst stay away
it's not profitable for the small buisness contractor
oh yea the first week you will make money but after that it goes down the drain and the only person making money is Angie's or home advisor
That's what a lot of people have been telling me lately. It's good for a month or so and then drops off. The owner of a lead gen company similar to HomeAdvisor told me that they might be front running good leads to new customers to make them feel like it's working and then taper them into the normal leads... Sounds like a ponzi scheme. I'm not saying this is happening but it's one of the theories floating around out there.
Angies list and Home Advisor is garbage, they charge so much for a ton of leads where people are not even remotely ready to commit or leads that are just completetly fake. I barely broke even the 1 year we had it for our business but I will never get all the time back I wasted which is priceless. Stay clear of them! Btw it took so many conversations for them to close my account, I had to call back again and they somehow still hadn't cancelled our account, total Scammers!
Glad you got out of it. You learned the hard way like many of us. Have you found a new way to get leads?
How can I get hold of u
Link to my website in the description.
I used Home Advisor for two years. First year I broke even, second year (when covid hit) I lost money. Home Advisor is a scam.
That's too bad. What kind of business are you in?
@@chuckthecontractor Residential computer service
@@tomstawarski3873 Facebook ads might work for you. Target your area but leave the rest of the targeting open. Make the ad say "Write down this number and call when you have computer problems." My guess you would get a lot of older folks writing your number down. Lord knows they have a ton of computer problems. Hit me up if you have questions about this.
@@chuckthecontractor how you doing bro I installed cameras and mount tv. I dint sight up yet what you think
Think about it folks,why was the internet created in the first place
"value less/blood suck lead resellers" in one breathe and "lot of people haven't figured out how to rank their site" in another. Lol
Sounds like you pointed out the value they provide.
The value they are supposed to provide. Unfortunately their services suck ass on the back end so it doesn't really fix the problem, just creates a whole other one. To add to it, the more you invest in their marketing and less in yours, the further away you are from being able to stand on your own two feet as a business.
@@chuckthecontractor Respectable! Owning your own assets is always better than not for sure.
EVERYONE SHOULD CREATE FAKE LEADS!!!!!!
No need. They're already everywhere!
Now it’s 100 bucks for a mold lead that never answer or just looking for info.
Mold remediation and water damage is one of the toughest markets for lead generation.
no don't use home advisor
Why fall for corruption ,gangsters,and mafia, full of nonsense.
How do I cancel my subscription with them without paying the 35% contract cancelation fee? Any insights?
It's not easy... If you can't get them to relinquish your responsibility to pay, then another option people have used is to cancel the payment through the bank. In the cases I know of, they always get sent to collections. Sorry I don't have a better thing to say about this.
@@chuckthecontractor collections? So my only option is to stick with them till the contract is up? That's crazy. I already blocked them from my bank
@@emmanuel7283 That's why they use yearly contracts. If it was easy to cancel they would lose a lot of customers.
@@chuckthecontractor well thanks for the response! Your videos have been very helpful
@@emmanuel7283 Awesome, thanks Emmanuel!
Lead sellers need to be stopped! Total scam!
Angi leads is a scammer thing.
Just do Angie ads
Tell us about your experience with Angi Ads.
stay away from them
Popo medic, channel youtube, same comedic approach. Look dude up
That guy is awesome
Its a scam they sell you fake leads
You're not alone in thinking that.
Its a scam now....wasting money