Manual machinists will always exist because repairs are always needed and sometimes a one off part is just faster with a manual mill than programming and tool set ups
@@JSomerled You use the cnc and I’ll use the Bridgeport to remove busted screws. I’ll be done before you make your first cut. I have two 5axis Dmg’s with probing and I still use a Bridgeport for all the repair work that comes in the shop.
@@kw2519 You know that a CNC doesn't need to be programmed to be used. If it's just drilling out a busted screw you can do the EXACT same with on a CNC mill using the MPG. The setup between a CNC and manual mill is identical. Matter of fact if you have on machine probing the setup might even be faster on a CNC mill.
For production, a manual machine has no value at all. But not all parts are produced. Sometimes you save hundreds of thousands by fixing something broken and fast, rather than making a new one. Those type of shops work with CNC of course but always have a bunch of manual lathes and milling machines used regularly, even by young generation familiar with CNC. Because sometimes a manual machine is just the right tool for a job, and you can't replace them
Thanks for making me feel old 😉I started my career on a belt driven lathe that had 4 turns of backlash in the in feed screw and bed that was worn, through to cam operated machines, plug board, NC and finally to CNC. I started life as an apprentice learning all the hand skills like sharpening a drill to owning my own engineering company sub contracting parts world wide, you've probably filled up your car at a petrol/gas station with underground fittings my company made or sailed a yacht with rope handling equipment I made. In my lifetime I have seen a revolution happen in my trade as computers have made it possible to make things not possible by hand
One of the benefits of CNC machines is,they replaced 10s of thousands of Bridgeport’s making them dirt cheap in my area.. Just about every design engineer I work with has one in their hobby shop. The more serious hobby shops use precision Mathew’s gear.. Eventually buying into their first CNC machines.
I come from a family of machinists and was bound to be one as well but on the year I was to graduate all the local shops in Florida started shutting down from lack of work this was in the mid 70's so I ended up working construction while I loved it I never got over the fact my mom was the last of our family to work as a machinist.
You're not missing anything I'm 3rd gen , just quite after 15 years. To go back to being an electrician Wich is what I set out to do before getting dragged into helping push parts out.
The best video yet from Titans of CNC. Can you remake it without the stupid, annoying background music. Completely unnecessary. It's a sickness that has infected YT.
If you known and understand the history, the it is easier to understand newer, more modern machines. I started with manual lathes, milling, grinding machines, after 10 years I learning programming CNC machines, in the beginning I had paper drawings, and calculate everything by hand, and programming Tsugami horizontal 4- axis machine by insert the code string by string. Main program, with sub routines, pallet changer, 3 side machining. I also have working with Autocad, Gibbs Cam, SmartCam and also with 3D printers. I am always wanted to learn more, even I 64 years old, I am not too old for learning new things. CNC machines I have worked with for example is Matsuura, Makino A55, and older Makino machines with pallet changer. But in my country, at my age it is impossible to find new job. I have discover this YT channel, I like very much, even sometimes is little to much "Made in USA". 😉
Barry has the voice of a narrator, if this machinist gig doesn't work out, you can get a gig doing voice overs for documentaries. History is important and Barry has done a great job with the machinist history and how we got to where we are today.
I have more fun using conventional machines then the CNC's I'm forced to work on. It's the same sort of thing for those who pick a manual transmission car over an automatic. Some people just like being hands on so that they (myself) feel engaged with what they are doing.
Great video. I too am of German heritage and from a long line of tool and die family from my uncles all the way to my great grandfather. Funny thing is I am adopted and didn't know my uncles or grandffather (and of course my real dad too but he turned out to be a truck driver)or even my German heritage until I was 49 years old just a few years ago. So for the past 30 years I've been a mechanical designer for various companies and eventually opened my own CNC shop before I ever knew I even came from that knid of background genetically! This has got to be one of the best vids so far! Great job!
I never knew about machining till I joined the Navy and that's what I am now a Machinery Repairman. After my time in the service, I hope to excel further of my experience to keep machining around for a long time.
Im in my early twenties and have been manually machining on a manual summit lathe, and a manual bridgeport mill for the passed three or so years. About a year or more ago, the conpany i work for bought a canpro 3 axis cnc mill with a 4th axis attachment. Ive been learning fusion 360 and the interface of the fanuc controller, so I am excited to start driving parts out of the machine at much higher accuracy and speed than the "Trusty bridgeport." Manual machining still has its place for sure, CNC machining is now what manufacturing is all about now.
Saw a documentary that said this guy was the first to make a true precision machine, hate to give credit to the French but.....🇬🇧 Jacques de Vaucanson was a French inventor and artist who built the first all-metal lathe which was very important to the Industrial Revolution. The lathe is known as the mother of machine tools, as it was the first machine tool that led to the invention of other machine tools. Wikipedia Born: 24 February 1709, Grenoble, France Died: 21 November 1782, Paris, France Nationality: French
As somewhat of a new machinist i am making parts on a KERN CD282 and a Picomax 54 running Heidenhain TNC310, which is slow. Whilst both are old, rapid traverse on the picomax has a feedrate of 2000. But oh man, i have made some pretty one off parts.
I worked for a firm that was using wickman multi spindle turning autos from the 40's, they could take a whole day to set, but they were fast having 6 spindles going at the same time.
Pshh a day? Watch me take a whole week for a simple setup! In all seriousness those machines are beasts, even CNC machines can't knock them out've their niche. And show me a CNC machine that can pump out parts for nearly a century.
I worked on Wickman multi's when I was an apprentice. Started off in a machine rebuild shop, taking a machine off the line and disassembling it before putting it back together as a brand new machine. I got into setting them after that, which was less enjoyable. Great machines, I'd love to see what their CNC multi's can do nowadays.
@@efreeze287 Traub Index multi spindle , DMG multisprint..... what was your point ? but the new machines won't last 100 years , but if they are taken care of 50 years are possible
Did some work on Wickmans as an apprentice in the auto parts industry. Early 80s and CNC completely dominated the shop floor but they couldn’t get rid of the Wickmans 😂. On long runs unbeatable. Well built machine tools .
Ecclesiasticus 9:17 KJV (Apocrypha) For the hand of the artificer the work shall be commended: and the wise ruler of the people for his speech. - Machining has a very rich history. We are artificers and indeed our work is commended/ respected. Keep the good info coming you guys! GET SOME!
I was at the welding shop getting some welding gas and the guy asked what are you building? And I said a milling machine and than he said make sure you set the turn dials correctly on the machine. And I said I'm making a cnc milling machine so that's not necessary. If you have servo stepper motors you can use them as a DRO.
I have a suggestion on how to increase the thrust of a jet engine, my idea is based on the principle of a fanless fan, The thrust of a jet engine is directly dependent on 2 factors, the amount of air it blows out, and the speed at which the gas flow blows out. I want to increase the amount of air, it is known that fanless fans blow 15 times more air than the turbine itself pumps For this, it is necessary to remove the outer housings of the jet engine, and create new housings, according to the principle of a bladeless fan, part of the jet stream must be used to build up pressure inside the new housing, which will throw in a jet air stream at the beginning of the jet engine compressor, in this way it is possible to increase the amount of air in engine, you're supposed to work with a lathe for a bit, and figure out how to force some of the jet into the hulls, but then you get new types of Jet Engines.
@@MrJonnyd55 but clearly, you know how jet engine robots? and why it is arranged as it is arranged, have you looked at the history of the development of a jet engine, I think not.
can get a $60 metal drill press, 20 in parts and it can do end milling... "set up instructions = complicated, but takes less then 5 minuets" turn out a chain link stamper from hardened steel with it, just takes a little while like using a hand file "600rpm for a 3hp motor drilling SAE9254" even with a bridge port mill that was imposable, chemical engineering acid absorption thermal chemical decomposition reacidification electro plating processes, similar to nitro cellulose production in some ways. heard that the old plant in Indiana was the one doing that for the longest time, but those same elements can be filtered out of sea water "no more (not oil field) tailings ponds, mineral acid well extraction (no strip mining, frack... a 100'000psi well that's 16'000psi static, every frack causes solution to come up and out the open pipes" though in processing of acid mining all the iron in the mix is contaminated with uranium, as is it filters thru a similar range of processing requiring a far more precise stage of automation to remove it within an abstract of a simple distillation process... tho the things in the new milling bits are chemically altered at very extreme ends of the scale requiring very oddly made contraptions "electro magnetic plasma generators small scale fusion" via controlled chemical thermal decomposition of nitrated elements into there oxide that can be filtered thru distilled water and presented for re-nitrating of the oxide for electroplating leading to accumulation that creates a eventual ingot... my car was made partly under that process engine being similar to a modern 4340 160kpsi tensile cast ARP with chemically filtered additives that continue to be reformulated slightly time and time again creating a stronger data set of known properties... nothing in America/Europe/Russia is made of Cast pig iron from poorly sought out anything metal will do eastern made whatever... cast doesn't last, stated as... this cast will last, thus becoming "cast lasts". forged rot iron is a breeze in a $80 mill, same cost as 12 sandwiches "3 days lunch = cost of machine... the metal its made of is worthless as scrap, melting it all comes out as slag in the pot and negligently contaminates everything".
I wonder how we would keep machining when we have the next massive solar CME event, much like the Carrington Event, that would basically knock out all electronics and power across the globe. That older, original tech, running pulleys and gear systems, would clearly be able to make machining work again given access to hydro or steam power, yet how would the machine of tomorrow look if it were not powered by electricity? What would Titan do? Thanks for sharing this video Barry, it certainly gives me a little food for thought . . . for our global manufacturing future!
Very interesting video. Have you ever been to the Deutsches Museum in Munich, Germany? They had a whole section on Machine Tools at the time I visited (more than a decade ago.) There were a lot of parallel developments in Europe to the English speaking world which is not as widely known.
I always find history of machining (or as I prefer to call it, the evolution of tools and crafting) a fascinating subject. One in thing in particular is how us humans back then weren't really any less cognitively capable. We just had access to less/lesser knowledge, materials, tools, time and support. Think of how limited we were back then, working with and producing such primitive stuff. Then compare that to our modern marvels. Now think of how much can change in the future. Always gives me a great sense of wonder, and motivation to keep learning and improving.
I think we actually were more cognitively capable in the past. As you say, we had limited knowledge, access to tools and materials, and yet we did incredible things that worked really well. Today we do the same things as in the past, just in an easier way. What do you think people would have made thousands of years ago, had they access to today's technology? Also, back then, there weren't so many people on earth, so marvels were made by common people. Today, we are billions, but genius and meaningful breakthrough is rare
Try to understand collective and individual intelligence/ capabilities. The more advanced our collective technology becomes the less able we are as individuals. Just because we own a cell phone doesn’t turn us into a genius . Just because you can run a CNC 9 axis doesn’t mean you’re a master machinist .
My question is if we get to a point in time where a I can basically right programs on its own, and everything becomes fully automated, how and where does the human machinist stay involved with the equation?
They'll be replacing tools and maintenance people or something at the local level for 1 off repairs. There are projects being worked on that should eventually lead to a person, maybe "machinist" but more likely management, that can talk to the machine to read over emails on new quotes where it'll spit out the best it can do in the time frame or give options to shut down production on other projects to create a cheaper bid.
I think ML, I don't like AI as it isn't really intelligent, will make a big impact when it comes to programming CNC machines. Same goes for PLC's. My German family were artisan metal workers and married into British clockmakers in late 19th century. Engineering is in the blood.
Interchangeable parts already were a reached objective in the mid-1700 with the Gribeauval system, and at a fair extent even before (as showed by the weapons found along the "Terracotta Army"). Machining simplified and enhanced it, but the concept largely predates it.
as much as i love barry, Setzer has nothing to do with type-setter or die-setter, nor machinist. Setzer is a non-used word for Setzen (sitting) so Setzer is also a non used word for "sitter", someone who sits.
I don't like discussion about what is the most important trade. I could argue, that without farmers, we would had no food available and we would have to do it ourselves, leaving much less time for other things, there would be much less people and we would be far, far behind. There are a lot of trades that are dependent on each other in some ways... There is no "one to rule them all".
I’d argue scrapers are the most important of all tradesmen because the can get things flatter than a CNC grinder can right? Just because you do something by hand doesn’t mean you are against CNC. Don’t just say machinists are the most important say they are **probably one of** the most important. Otherwise you’re just talking down on people flat out
And you released this video on Valentine’s Day which is all about showing people you appreciate them- VD isn’t just about love to your S/O. You lost my respect with this video
What I said was that no other trade would have their tools without a machinist making them. Thus, machining is the most important trade because without it, no other trades would exist. It doesnt mean that any PERSON is more or less important than any other.
@@barrysetzer just because other branches of manufacturing wouldn’t exist without machinists doesn’t make modern day machinists the most important you have to at least acknowledge the other tradesmen and not just blab about how better than everyone else a machinist is. Everyone is important. Again to me Valentine’s Day is all about showing appreciation not putting yourself above others
Lawrance Livermore is making some pretty flat "large" single crystals on their diamond turners without post-processing, unless you want to count the two stages of machining on two different diamond turners a post-process. Much better surface roughness than a scraper would ever get as well. Though it is a niche market of self-created problems.
I still love being a die maker using old belt driven hardinge lathes. Hand Lapping and forming radiuses by hand on carbide.. I love learning from old masters learning tips and wisdom than modernity. I get paid more than the top cnc guys on their mori dmg machines in my company anyway
Pretty awesome you make more than $59/hr! Wait.... I see...you were saying more than the top guys at your shop, not top cnc guys programming and running some of the DMG mori mill turns and whatnot. Are you including the programmers when you say you make more than the top guys and are they only 3-5 axis DMG Mori's there at your shop? That's pretty cool if it is the case that you're pulling in more than the programmers too. It would be awesome to find a shop that pays high wages for die making as it would be a whole new world of manufacturing
In combination with the machines is the cutting tools, the advent of carbide tools and now ceramic as well as diamond....the technology of cutting tools has gone bonkers over the past few decades and it makes me wonder what kind of killer materials folks like Kennametal will advance the industry with next.
The landscape has indeed changed over the decades and will indeed continue to change into the next. In fact, with the assistance of AI the rapidity of such change will likely only continue to increase. One hundred years ago the internet, smart phones, and this very platform would have been unthinkable. Our tomorrow is likely far different than what we envison today and only the unimaginative will cling to yesterday. "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." ~ Henry Ford
as someone who's been in aerospace machining for 15 years? Today is my last starting my electrician journey. I had enough of the shop s*** I haven't met a machinist that is not a miserable mess
@@barrysetzer you are right I don’t know you other than what I see on camera. Sorry for ranting but I still strongly stand by the fact this video gave me impression that machinists are arrogant with that opening statement
Just wait, right now ai is armed only with knowledge of the PAST. Once it becomes more connected, and is able to learn from everyone on earth, while making its own judgements and testing its own ideas and actions, things will be different
@@dirtboy896 I'm an adaptation. If this trade disappears tomorrow, I got other skills I can put to use. There's nothing brown on my nose but my skin wise ass. 😎
@@dirtboy896 doesn't matter how you guys feel about it. AI is already here, and it's the future. Period. That's an upgrade to this industry. I'm with it 👍.
If Barry made an hour long machining history documentary I would deff watch that.
Haha thanks Ryan! 💪
@@barrysetzer I second that! Ciao, Marco.
@@barrysetzer omg hot flushes
Manual machinists will always exist because repairs are always needed and sometimes a one off part is just faster with a manual mill than programming and tool set ups
Not really… new gear has all the components stored digitally.. just download and cut..
@@JSomerled You use the cnc and I’ll use the Bridgeport to remove busted screws. I’ll be done before you make your first cut.
I have two 5axis Dmg’s with probing and I still use a Bridgeport for all the repair work that comes in the shop.
@@kw2519 you use your Bridgeport on those tiny jobs.. they’re all yours
@@kw2519 You know that a CNC doesn't need to be programmed to be used. If it's just drilling out a busted screw you can do the EXACT same with on a CNC mill using the MPG. The setup between a CNC and manual mill is identical. Matter of fact if you have on machine probing the setup might even be faster on a CNC mill.
For production, a manual machine has no value at all. But not all parts are produced. Sometimes you save hundreds of thousands by fixing something broken and fast, rather than making a new one. Those type of shops work with CNC of course but always have a bunch of manual lathes and milling machines used regularly, even by young generation familiar with CNC. Because sometimes a manual machine is just the right tool for a job, and you can't replace them
Thanks for making me feel old 😉I started my career on a belt driven lathe that had 4 turns of backlash in the in feed screw and bed that was worn, through to cam operated machines, plug board, NC and finally to CNC. I started life as an apprentice learning all the hand skills like sharpening a drill to owning my own engineering company sub contracting parts world wide, you've probably filled up your car at a petrol/gas station with underground fittings my company made or sailed a yacht with rope handling equipment I made.
In my lifetime I have seen a revolution happen in my trade as computers have made it possible to make things not possible by hand
That's an amazing lifestory! It must have been crazy to these machines get evolved and get better and better!
@@mr.bulldobs4337 i really wonder what next generations will bring. Seems insane
I started as a hieroglyph chiseler documenting lathes back in ancient egypt, it's amazing how far you guys have come.
@@andersgrundstrom1794 LMAO - best comment.
@@feff232 ki
One of the benefits of CNC machines is,they replaced 10s of thousands of Bridgeport’s making them dirt cheap in my area.. Just about every design engineer I work with has one in their hobby shop. The more serious hobby shops use precision Mathew’s gear.. Eventually buying into their first CNC machines.
I come from a family of machinists and was bound to be one as well but on the year I was to graduate all the local shops in Florida started shutting down from lack of work this was in the mid 70's so I ended up working construction while I loved it I never got over the fact my mom was the last of our family to work as a machinist.
You're not missing anything I'm 3rd gen , just quite after 15 years. To go back to being an electrician Wich is what I set out to do before getting dragged into helping push parts out.
The best video yet from Titans of CNC. Can you remake it without the stupid, annoying background music. Completely unnecessary. It's a sickness that has infected YT.
If you known and understand the history, the it is easier to understand newer, more modern machines. I started with manual lathes, milling, grinding machines, after 10 years I learning programming CNC machines, in the beginning I had paper drawings, and calculate everything by hand, and programming Tsugami horizontal 4- axis machine by insert the code string by string. Main program, with sub routines, pallet changer, 3 side machining.
I also have working with Autocad, Gibbs Cam, SmartCam and also with 3D printers. I am always wanted to learn more, even I 64 years old, I am not too old for learning new things.
CNC machines I have worked with for example is Matsuura, Makino A55, and older Makino machines with pallet changer.
But in my country, at my age it is impossible to find new job.
I have discover this YT channel, I like very much, even sometimes is little to much "Made in USA". 😉
Thanks for the support Jan! Sounds like you have alot of valuable knowledge to pass on to the younger generation!!!
Please do an episode on the history of the Cadillac gauge.
Barry has the voice of a narrator, if this machinist gig doesn't work out, you can get a gig doing voice overs for documentaries. History is important and Barry has done a great job with the machinist history and how we got to where we are today.
I have more fun using conventional machines then the CNC's I'm forced to work on. It's the same sort of thing for those who pick a manual transmission car over an automatic. Some people just like being hands on so that they (myself) feel engaged with what they are doing.
True! Sometimes i miss turning handles, myself
I think this is the best 5 minute video I’ve ever seen
Thanks Max, we appreciate the support!
At work machining right now, lol but I can’t wait to watch this later!
Great video. I too am of German heritage and from a long line of tool and die family from my uncles all the way to my great grandfather. Funny thing is I am adopted and didn't know my uncles or grandffather (and of course my real dad too but he turned out to be a truck driver)or even my German heritage until I was 49 years old just a few years ago. So for the past 30 years I've been a mechanical designer for various companies and eventually opened my own CNC shop before I ever knew I even came from that knid of background genetically!
This has got to be one of the best vids so far! Great job!
I love your story
Thanks for the history lesson, Barry!
nice video! i love how much value simple lathes and milling maschines still have nowadays.
I never knew about machining till I joined the Navy and that's what I am now a Machinery Repairman. After my time in the service, I hope to excel further of my experience to keep machining around for a long time.
Im in my early twenties and have been manually machining on a manual summit lathe, and a manual bridgeport mill for the passed three or so years. About a year or more ago, the conpany i work for bought a canpro 3 axis cnc mill with a 4th axis attachment. Ive been learning fusion 360 and the interface of the fanuc controller, so I am excited to start driving parts out of the machine at much higher accuracy and speed than the "Trusty bridgeport." Manual machining still has its place for sure, CNC machining is now what manufacturing is all about now.
10/10 on this video definitely almost had me teary eyed seeing the evolution of our great industry!
Very good Barry
I worked in a place with Bullard horizontal lathes. WWII era machines.
All the old timers I know would rather run the old machines over the new modern ones and all their answers are they can read the machine easier.
This would make a great series.
Stay tuned 😎
Great video! Love to see the evolution of our technology!
All of this technology and yet my shop is still in the rock ages..
Search "1963 modern manufacturing" here on youtube. There's a documentary from the USAF that show's some amazing technology we had 60 years ago.
Saw a documentary that said this guy was the first to make a true precision machine, hate to give credit to the French but.....🇬🇧
Jacques de Vaucanson was a French inventor and artist who built the first all-metal lathe which was very important to the Industrial Revolution. The lathe is known as the mother of machine tools, as it was the first machine tool that led to the invention of other machine tools. Wikipedia
Born: 24 February 1709, Grenoble, France
Died: 21 November 1782, Paris, France
Nationality: French
Brilliant video, more like this please!
Awesome video Barry!
Thanks Donnie!
As somewhat of a new machinist i am making parts on a KERN CD282 and a Picomax 54 running Heidenhain TNC310, which is slow. Whilst both are old, rapid traverse on the picomax has a feedrate of 2000. But oh man, i have made some pretty one off parts.
Imagine that you call your machine a piece of crap (like you do 50 times a day) and the AI just retaliates by turning you into lathe spaghetti lmao.
Awesome 👌
I am the history of machining. Once had an old turret lathe with the bed cast date the same as my birthday 1944.
Great content!
Good stuff!
Good video
I worked for a firm that was using wickman multi spindle turning autos from the 40's, they could take a whole day to set,
but they were fast having 6 spindles going at the same time.
Pshh a day? Watch me take a whole week for a simple setup! In all seriousness those machines are beasts, even CNC machines can't knock them out've their niche. And show me a CNC machine that can pump out parts for nearly a century.
I worked on Wickman multi's when I was an apprentice. Started off in a machine rebuild shop, taking a machine off the line and disassembling it before putting it back together as a brand new machine. I got into setting them after that, which was less enjoyable. Great machines, I'd love to see what their CNC multi's can do nowadays.
@@efreeze287 Traub Index multi spindle , DMG multisprint..... what was your point ? but the new machines won't last 100 years , but if they are taken care of 50 years are possible
Did some work on Wickmans as an apprentice in the auto parts industry. Early 80s and CNC completely dominated the shop floor but they couldn’t get rid of the Wickmans 😂. On long runs unbeatable. Well built machine tools .
Ecclesiasticus 9:17 KJV (Apocrypha) For the hand of the artificer the work shall be commended: and the wise ruler of the people for his speech.
- Machining has a very rich history. We are artificers and indeed our work is commended/ respected. Keep the good info coming you guys! GET SOME!
Great video.
Can you do a video about powerskiving?
This was insanely interesting
Awesome video Barry 👊👍
Thanks for your support!
Great video! Thanks!
I was at the welding shop getting some welding gas and the guy asked what are you building? And I said a milling machine and than he said make sure you set the turn dials correctly on the machine. And I said I'm making a cnc milling machine so that's not necessary. If you have servo stepper motors you can use them as a DRO.
Nice video!!
2:02 is an accurate representation of how I honed my car's cylinders
Well done, great video!
see even tho Connecticut sucks we still played a big role in advancing manufacturing
Amazing
I have a suggestion on how to increase the thrust of a jet engine, my idea is based on the principle of a fanless fan, The thrust of a jet engine is directly dependent on 2 factors, the amount of air it blows out, and the speed at which the gas flow blows out. I want to increase the amount of air, it is known that fanless fans blow 15 times more air than the turbine itself pumps For this, it is necessary to remove the outer housings of the jet engine, and create new housings, according to the principle of a bladeless fan, part of the jet stream must be used to build up pressure inside the new housing, which will throw in a jet air stream at the beginning of the jet engine compressor, in this way it is possible to increase the amount of air in engine, you're supposed to work with a lathe for a bit, and figure out how to force some of the jet into the hulls, but then you get new types of Jet Engines.
If you are not drunk, then you must be a total fool.
@@MrJonnyd55 Oh, and on what is your statement based?
@@hishnikchannel3529 a lifetime of listening to drunks and / or fools
@@MrJonnyd55 but clearly, you know how jet engine robots? and why it is arranged as it is arranged, have you looked at the history of the development of a jet engine, I think not.
@@hishnikchannel3529 ok bro 😎
It is interesting how were made first machine tools when there was no machine tools
can get a $60 metal drill press, 20 in parts and it can do end milling... "set up instructions = complicated, but takes less then 5 minuets" turn out a chain link stamper from hardened steel with it, just takes a little while like using a hand file "600rpm for a 3hp motor drilling SAE9254" even with a bridge port mill that was imposable, chemical engineering acid absorption thermal chemical decomposition reacidification electro plating processes, similar to nitro cellulose production in some ways. heard that the old plant in Indiana was the one doing that for the longest time, but those same elements can be filtered out of sea water "no more (not oil field) tailings ponds, mineral acid well extraction (no strip mining, frack... a 100'000psi well that's 16'000psi static, every frack causes solution to come up and out the open pipes" though in processing of acid mining all the iron in the mix is contaminated with uranium, as is it filters thru a similar range of processing requiring a far more precise stage of automation to remove it within an abstract of a simple distillation process... tho the things in the new milling bits are chemically altered at very extreme ends of the scale requiring very oddly made contraptions "electro magnetic plasma generators small scale fusion" via controlled chemical thermal decomposition of nitrated elements into there oxide that can be filtered thru distilled water and presented for re-nitrating of the oxide for electroplating leading to accumulation that creates a eventual ingot... my car was made partly under that process engine being similar to a modern 4340 160kpsi tensile cast ARP with chemically filtered additives that continue to be reformulated slightly time and time again creating a stronger data set of known properties... nothing in America/Europe/Russia is made of Cast pig iron from poorly sought out anything metal will do eastern made whatever... cast doesn't last, stated as... this cast will last, thus becoming "cast lasts". forged rot iron is a breeze in a $80 mill, same cost as 12 sandwiches "3 days lunch = cost of machine... the metal its made of is worthless as scrap, melting it all comes out as slag in the pot and negligently contaminates everything".
I wonder how we would keep machining when we have the next massive solar CME event, much like the Carrington Event, that would basically knock out all electronics and power across the globe. That older, original tech, running pulleys and gear systems, would clearly be able to make machining work again given access to hydro or steam power, yet how would the machine of tomorrow look if it were not powered by electricity? What would Titan do? Thanks for sharing this video Barry, it certainly gives me a little food for thought . . . for our global manufacturing future!
Just like we did in 1300bc. Much like when my software crashes, its always faster to do it the second time……
Very interesting video. Have you ever been to the Deutsches Museum in Munich, Germany? They had a whole section on Machine Tools at the time I visited (more than a decade ago.) There were a lot of parallel developments in Europe to the English speaking world which is not as widely known.
Does anybody know the name of the vr game? It looks very interesting
I always find history of machining (or as I prefer to call it, the evolution of tools and crafting) a fascinating subject.
One in thing in particular is how us humans back then weren't really any less cognitively capable. We just had access to less/lesser knowledge, materials, tools, time and support. Think of how limited we were back then, working with and producing such primitive stuff. Then compare that to our modern marvels. Now think of how much can change in the future.
Always gives me a great sense of wonder, and motivation to keep learning and improving.
I think we actually were more cognitively capable in the past. As you say, we had limited knowledge, access to tools and materials, and yet we did incredible things that worked really well. Today we do the same things as in the past, just in an easier way. What do you think people would have made thousands of years ago, had they access to today's technology? Also, back then, there weren't so many people on earth, so marvels were made by common people. Today, we are billions, but genius and meaningful breakthrough is rare
Try to understand collective and individual intelligence/ capabilities. The more advanced our collective technology becomes the less able we are as individuals. Just because we own a cell phone doesn’t turn us into a genius . Just because you can run a CNC 9 axis doesn’t mean you’re a master machinist .
My question is if we get to a point in time where a I can basically right programs on its own, and everything becomes fully automated, how and where does the human machinist stay involved with the equation?
They'll be replacing tools and maintenance people or something at the local level for 1 off repairs. There are projects being worked on that should eventually lead to a person, maybe "machinist" but more likely management, that can talk to the machine to read over emails on new quotes where it'll spit out the best it can do in the time frame or give options to shut down production on other projects to create a cheaper bid.
@@ScuffedEngineer not sure I fully understand the scope of your answer but thank you
Make a granite pot similar to the ones made by the ancient Egyptians that UnchartedX showcases on his channel.
Too bad you didn't have picture of the M-Head Bridgeport. My first job they 1959 M-Head it had 1/2 horsepower motor on it.
I think ML, I don't like AI as it isn't really intelligent, will make a big impact when it comes to programming CNC machines. Same goes for PLC's. My German family were artisan metal workers and married into British clockmakers in late 19th century. Engineering is in the blood.
Interchangeable parts already were a reached objective in the mid-1700 with the Gribeauval system, and at a fair extent even before (as showed by the weapons found along the "Terracotta Army"). Machining simplified and enhanced it, but the concept largely predates it.
Have you used a plug board machine?
Change is the only constant.
Can't hear over the music.
Can we get more detail into each step in history?
I freaking love this vid!! 💕 that's all..lol
It’s just a matter of time before we achieve energy to matter programmability. We have a vision of the future already.
All of this technology, but I still want a small Gray planer ;-)
Used to have the EDMs in the 60s.
At 35, I have a supermax mill and a pro max lathe in my garage.... all the cnc stays at work (for now 😏)
If you ever decide to ditch machining Barry you’ve clearly got a future in narrating! 😆🤘🏼
Great video Barry.
Thanks Rodney!
I'm pro cnc but for a quick and dirty job can't beat an nc bridge port or a 3 axis toolroom hurco
as much as i love barry, Setzer has nothing to do with type-setter or die-setter, nor machinist. Setzer is a non-used word for Setzen (sitting) so Setzer is also a non used word for "sitter", someone who sits.
0:04 Johny Sins as machinist ?🤔
I dont care how old lathes are, mills are still better 😂
Should check out some of the stuff cutting edge engineering aus does with big lathes, cool stuff
I only get to use 3 axis old Makino’s lol
Did your German grandparents fight for Germany in ww1 and 2
By WW2 we were already in the USA. And to be honest, im not sure what uniform my ancestor in the photo is wearing….
That's propaganda lol
Why your background music is louder then your voice?!!!
Every one contributes to the system! Grind down the lump on your shoulder, from patting yourself on the back too much !
There is evidence of advanced lathes as far back as 3000 BC, paper thin granite vases with perfect symmetry (egypt).
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I don't like discussion about what is the most important trade. I could argue, that without farmers, we would had no food available and we would have to do it ourselves, leaving much less time for other things, there would be much less people and we would be far, far behind.
There are a lot of trades that are dependent on each other in some ways... There is no "one to rule them all".
I’d argue scrapers are the most important of all tradesmen because the can get things flatter than a CNC grinder can right? Just because you do something by hand doesn’t mean you are against CNC. Don’t just say machinists are the most important say they are **probably one of** the most important. Otherwise you’re just talking down on people flat out
And you released this video on Valentine’s Day which is all about showing people you appreciate them- VD isn’t just about love to your S/O. You lost my respect with this video
What I said was that no other trade would have their tools without a machinist making them. Thus, machining is the most important trade because without it, no other trades would exist. It doesnt mean that any PERSON is more or less important than any other.
@@barrysetzer just because other branches of manufacturing wouldn’t exist without machinists doesn’t make modern day machinists the most important you have to at least acknowledge the other tradesmen and not just blab about how better than everyone else a machinist is. Everyone is important. Again to me Valentine’s Day is all about showing appreciation not putting yourself above others
Lawrance Livermore is making some pretty flat "large" single crystals on their diamond turners without post-processing, unless you want to count the two stages of machining on two different diamond turners a post-process. Much better surface roughness than a scraper would ever get as well. Though it is a niche market of self-created problems.
Fun fact:
A lathe is supposedly the only machine that can theoretically remake itself
Brilliant! Inspiring!
I still love being a die maker using old belt driven hardinge lathes. Hand Lapping and forming radiuses by hand on carbide.. I love learning from old masters learning tips and wisdom than modernity. I get paid more than the top cnc guys on their mori dmg machines in my company anyway
Pretty awesome you make more than $59/hr! Wait.... I see...you were saying more than the top guys at your shop, not top cnc guys programming and running some of the DMG mori mill turns and whatnot. Are you including the programmers when you say you make more than the top guys and are they only 3-5 axis DMG Mori's there at your shop? That's pretty cool if it is the case that you're pulling in more than the programmers too. It would be awesome to find a shop that pays high wages for die making as it would be a whole new world of manufacturing
In combination with the machines is the cutting tools, the advent of carbide tools and now ceramic as well as diamond....the technology of cutting tools has gone bonkers over the past few decades and it makes me wonder what kind of killer materials folks like Kennametal will advance the industry with next.
Using a file in a lathe will never catch on
The landscape has indeed changed over the decades and will indeed continue to change into the next. In fact, with the assistance of AI the rapidity of such change will likely only continue to increase. One hundred years ago the internet, smart phones, and this very platform would have been unthinkable. Our tomorrow is likely far different than what we envison today and only the unimaginative will cling to yesterday.
"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." ~ Henry Ford
Look up Machine Thinking yt channel. He has some good videos on machine history.
leaving out blacksmiths
Blacksmithing is not machining. It's blacksmithing.
@@brandons9138 oh really, why cnc grinders
@@gerot201 Because grinding just like other machining processes is a subtractive process. Blacksmithing is a forming process.
@@brandons9138 might as well ignore collent since its part of a forming process
@@gerot201 Collent? I can't find a meaning for that word that makes sense in this conversation. Care to elaborate?
They.. TOOK MUH JERBBB!!! lol
Nice! But I think you should definitely include 1751 french lathe ... th-cam.com/video/djB9oK6pkbA/w-d-xo.html
as someone who's been in aerospace machining for 15 years? Today is my last starting my electrician journey. I had enough of the shop s*** I haven't met a machinist that is not a miserable mess
I’m not a nay sayer ai made parts just scare me
Y'all wouldn't be chit w/out a welder;-)
And you couldnt weld without a machinist 🤷🏻♂️ guess which came first….
Youre welcome 😂
Literally the other way around 🤣😂😁
Thanks man. I needed a laugh.
You would be surprised if you actually knew me. Im the opposite of arrogant. But when it comes to the internet, you cant please everyone!
@@barrysetzer you are right I don’t know you other than what I see on camera. Sorry for ranting but I still strongly stand by the fact this video gave me impression that machinists are arrogant with that opening statement
This video made me religious.
Had to end with CNC is better lol 🙄indeed the machines are better who could argue that. But the operator…
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Embrace AI replacing programmers? Uh, no.
Just wait, right now ai is armed only with knowledge of the PAST. Once it becomes more connected, and is able to learn from everyone on earth, while making its own judgements and testing its own ideas and actions, things will be different
Human ones are liars with their own agenda already anyways. What are you afraid of?? Oh wait!! Ohhh....they're coming for ya 😁😜
@@diegocarr5965 and what are you then? A robot?
@@dirtboy896 I'm an adaptation. If this trade disappears tomorrow, I got other skills I can put to use. There's nothing brown on my nose but my skin wise ass. 😎
@@dirtboy896 doesn't matter how you guys feel about it. AI is already here, and it's the future. Period. That's an upgrade to this industry. I'm with it 👍.
You forgot the first time Grog started banging two rocks together,
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