Challengers is a toxic love story between Art & Patrick: argue with the wall.
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Hey guys, thank you for watching the video!! I see there’s some misunderstandings in the comments and I would like to clarify: Tashi is not POWERLESS, she’s just not as powerful as she thought she was. She is a great manipulator! But in the end, her manipulation, came at the end of her affair being exposed, a point which I didn’t mention. I hope this clarifies things!
Secondly, it’s perfectly okay to disagree hahah, my title is VERY cheeky for a reason: more than usual. But if you don’t agree that’s okay, the movie is very open to interpretation, and I completely understand that but let’s keep it civil and respectful in the comments!
I think one of the things I notice upon each watch is that I just feel sad for her each time I see her injury and how she reacts to it. I wonder if she could have recovered if she was patient or maybe it really was over. I noticed the points in that game she hurt herself in, she didn’t even need to hit that ball, she was up by a lot in the score. I just think it makes the whole thing unfortunate but I feel happy that she at least got her family taken care of and doesn’t have to worry about money.
They all win when they are all playing REAL tennis for a MOMENT in the climax. Was it worth it? Is it worth it? What comes next for them
How about you stop being biphobic because it’s a clearly BI movie.Tashi is literally all they fight for, they are in love with her even obsessed and while they have sexual tension with each other it’s a BISEXUAL movie, stop trying to erase black female characters so that you can have your gay male head cannon its actually so annoying. So many people have tried making this gay and take Tashi out of the equation, leave the bisexual for the bisexuals, this biphobic bs happens everyime two guys and one woman are paired , annoying ahh fujoshiz
I just love how none of them really won in the end, Tashi never got to play tennis, Art never got the love and approval from Tashi he wanted and Patrick never got to be the best, I actually doubt he is gonna get to rank very high, he also never figured out what his passion or true love was
This is an interesting interpretation! In my opinion all three of them kind of got what they wanted in the end. Tashi witnessed some really good tennis (just like she said she wanted to see when they first met) and yelled out with the same fire that she had when she herself was still playing. Art finally unleashed himself against his biggest rival and broke through that reserved/repressed demeanor he's maintained his whole life. Patrick finally got to play against his closest friend again and at the end they collapsed and hugged each other signifying a mending moment of their friendship.
yeah, this is the other interpretation I had of it aswell but I guess im just pessimistic haha you’re definitely righty, in the short term they won I just doubt his hopes are everlasting knowing their dynamic it could get messy again very quickly
their hopes*
@@gialy5919 those all sound minor when compared with the bigger dreams they arguably had. Like Tashi got to watch good tennis cause she couldn’t play, art got tashi but she ended up being a terrible mother and wife, and ruined his love for the sport, his friend Patrick is literally just a scumbag rich kid that spent most of his life riding arts coat tales, proven when they went separate ways and he was ranked 150. Bruh no the characters all lost but the movie tries sell you that they somehow won.
Dang! You’re correct.
The scene when patrick was looking for a place to stay by dating someone on tinder. It had men and women so clearly he wasn't completely heterosexual
He actually just swiped all the women until finding a match, he only hesitated and gave a couple of seconds of attention to a male profile
It's more or less implied that he could not be all the way straight
@@Tolliverful he still would've set both genders as his preference, as it is one of the first things tinder asks of you
@@ManifloreI don’t think @Tolliverful was disputing that - I think they were doubling down and pointing out that Patrick might in fact be MORE interested in men than in women, as he didn’t seem to care about the female matches but actually looked at/considered the male before matching. So, like, the man caught his attention more.
@@DannyD-lr5yg U got it
If they were just a poly relationship everyone would be happy
I like to believe that’s what happens to the characters after it ends 😅😁
@@DannyD-lr5ygthat is also my theory
@@DannyD-lr5yg Yes Luca even states that by the end of the match all of them go to the hotel
That's what I thought going into the movie until I realized Tashi didn't really love either of them which we actually saw right at the beginning when she decided to date whichever won. I don't know about the rest of you but I normally don't consider my romantic prospects as interchangeable.
@@CaraMarie13 I think one thing I can note is that maybe if she had not gotten injured she would have been able to love them more. Maybe she would have been a more gentle and loving person if it had not been done to her. Because she’s injured it’s easy to hate the two boys because one is lazy and the other is losing his love for it. If she was in their shoes she would take advantage of playing tennis. So a sort of resentment builds. A resentment I don’t think she’d have if she did not get injured.
Loved the moment where, at university, Art sarcastically asks Pat if he didn't come to see him (instead of Tashi). The funny thing is that yes, he did go to see Art first 👀
righttt
gay
Also I love that Patrick kind of was more attuned to the fact he loved Art, whereas Art wasn't totally aware of his love for patrick - when Tashi asks them if they ever got together, Art was laughing in incredulity but Patrick had a thoughtful look on his face. He also had a clearer memory of the encounter.
When he's making out with Tashi he's getting off while she lists all of Art's qualities (he's smart, he's attractive, he's good at tennis)
And the best scene, the Sauna scene, he looks so hurt when Art insults him. "I don't matter?" He genuinely told Art he loved him in that scene and Art was ready to reciprocate yet 😭
I think Art deep down knows he loves Patrick. Because in the Sauna Scene Art doesn't tell Patrick that he doesn't matte in terms of their love and friendship. He phrases in the world of tennis and about not mattering to the most obsessed tennis fan. He knows Patrick meant romantically/platonically but Art chose to make it about their job. Art was saying in that sphere he doesn't matter but sub-textually he was saying that Patrick did matter in the sphere of love and friendship. But he's mad because Patrick left him for so long so that's why it came out that way.
I just love love movies like this that do not spell out or spoon feed the audience what the characters are thinking and feeling. I, as you brilliantly did here, love figuring out the characters thoughts and feelings through their gestures, looks, interactions with one another, and the nuances and meanings between the lines of dialogues. Brilliant movie!
She says it “I’m not interested in being a homewrecker.” This is really a love story of the two dudes who just can’t let go and be in love with each other
Tashi only loved tennis and wanted to watch some good tennis. I feel like the ending she got what she wanted. The boys got each other back and she got to watch some good tennis.
Yeah, everyone wins so it doesn't matter which one actually won.
how did she get what she wanted? it was a tie break, 6 points minimum, a tennis fan wont be statisfied with an average match with a great tie break
in the hotel scene: i think its very telling when 1) tashi asks what they are: patrick immediately says they are in an open relationship at the same time art is taken aback by the question and says the opposite of patrick (he sees many girls) and patrick looks at him very upset at the answer
2) their beds are pushed together indicating that they probably cuddle in their sleep
3) their first time story embarrasses art but patrick holds onto the memory fondly
in the sauna scene: art says “its about wining the points that mater” and patrick asks him earnestly “i dont matter?” art responds “not even to the most obsessive tennis fan in the entire world” and pat answers“im not talking about tennis”. to me, a lot of patrick’s arc was him trying his best to explain how deeply he loves art, but art is unable to recognize/believe his love because of patrick’s immaturity and hostility
omg I never noticed they pushed their beds together this movie has so many details
i definitely agree with the fact that tashi is not a puppeteer or a mastermind and IS actually pretty powerless in a lot (not all) of the situations. she's been painted as a villain by so many people and i really don't think so... she really was a victim of her circumstances a lot, and her side of the story is honestly just a tragedy of how she's separated from her one true love, tennis, and doomed to live her dream vicariously and fulfill that passion and fire she used to feel through the guys.
I also think that while this movie is about the love story between Art and Patrick, in which Tashi is merely a pawn -- Tashi's true love is Tennis, and after her injury, Art and Patrick BECOME tennis for her. They are all manipulating each other. Art and Patrick use Tashi to act out their repressed homoerotic desire, and Tashi uses the boys to act out her desire to stay in the game of tennis. They all have agency.
@@Illyriamars agreed. i didn't mean she didn't have agency, just that she wasn't some secret villain the shadows pulling strings like so many ppl are painting her out to be
@@gashinadiamond3146nah I think they’re all manipulative and using people for their needs.
She's not a villain but the fact that she isn't a villain doesn't mean she is not an abuser which she very much is. My heart absolutely broke for her when she got injured and then her having to turn a man great when she was destined for greatness was cruel but feeling empathy for her should not be reasons to excuse her actions. The relationship that she has with Art is abusive af. This women emotionally abused that man in every scene of the present we saw and she knew exactly what she was doing. And we can even argue that it was also physical abuse since I think it's fair to assume she's the one that pushed Art to recover so he could continue playing even when this could lead to another injury and a faster breakdown of his body. And athletes do this all the time, but the difference here is that, and I think is also safe to assume, Art has wanted to retire even then but kept going out of fear that if he stopped playing, she would leave him. Which she would have. The fact that her actions are motivated by a desire to continue being close to the love of her life that was stolen from her, tennis and winning at tennis which she achieves via Art, doesn't mean shes justified in her actions.
my brother described this movie to me as "an evil romantic and two evil bisexuals" and watching this... I think I know why.
Art and Patrick only stop making out in the hotel room because Tashi put a stop to it. They would have kept going whether she was there or not but since she facilitated the first intimate act since before they were teenagers, she unfortunately became the conduit of their passion for each other. By the end, I wouldn't be surprised if Art and Patrick didn't cut out Tashi altogether, get romantically involved and raise the daughter together.
Also Art has an erection at that point, which Patrick slaps. (Pretty funny moment.)
IDK what happens after the end, but I think it's a full circle moment, and they'll be back together in one way or another. Patrick would have to grow up though and do what Tashi suggested, go work for his father, or something, as it feels like they'd need to be equals again, after that sauna conversation.
BAHAHAHAHA, not the daughter too, I'm cackling 😭
@@deborahtheexplorer And that daughter then becomes world champion.
Yall really want everybody to be gay.
na cause patrick is sooooo in love with himmmm
i thought it was great that Art told Tashi "he's not in love with you". subconciously maybe he knew that Art was in love with *him*
everyone was saying he was a snake but in my first viewing i was chuckling because i thought he was telling the truth - even if his intentions weren't honest
yes, this scene is so powerfull
Yesss! People act like Art was such a snake but 1) he never was the one to cheat and 2) let’s be real. Tashi and Patrick never would have been able to make it together long term. They are both too domineering and cocky to be in a relationship. Plus, there were a few years between their breakup and when Art and her get together and yet her and Patrick don’t get back together so…
No Tashi is literally all they fight for, they are in love with her even obsessed and while they have sexual tension with each other it’s a BISEXUAL movie, stop trying to erase female characters so that you can have your gay male head cannon its actually so annoying. So many people have tried making this gay and take Tashi out of the equation, leave the bisexual for the bisexuals, this biphobic bs happens everyime two guys and one woman are paired
@@SoSodawgindahouse they are fighting for all of each other 💀
@@antidave yes! And Tashi is at the center of it, its not a Yaoi, hope that helps!
I started out really like Art at the beginning of the film but by the end, it was Patrick for me. He’s always been completely honest about who he was (a pos sometimes) and what he wanted. Tashi and Art just kept lying, manipulating, and were often very cruel to Patrick.
I love how in the hotel scene Tashi says she’s not a “Homewrecker” 😂😂😂, this whole movie is a love triangle gone wrong/right
IMO, Art is completely in control from start to end, but pretends to be innocent and willingly hides behind Patrick's and Tashi's foolishness and big personalities. He's the one that started the manipulation in the group. He decided to cut Patrick out of his life, which I believe led Patrick down a dark road of drug usage to numb his pain (notice his serving arm had dark bruising like a heroin attact). He decided to let Tashi reenter his life at Applebee's. Remember, Tashi came from humble beginnings and Art and Patrick came from wealth. Art knew what Tashi was after in regards to him and he used it to his advantage. Being with Tashi, Art knew that would keep him connected to Patrick without having to interact with him cuz he knew those two were hooking up behind his back just like he was hooking up with Tashi behind Patrick's back at Stanford before P&T broke up! This movie was toxic AF!
truly, that whole scene where art was laying down on Zee’s lap saying can you just hold me till I fall asleep? like i know for a fact ur aggressive but you try to act so passive and i DONT TRUSTTT YOUU
@@arianaperez626and we saw who he really was in the sauna scene. I honestly would love the next movie (if they make one) to deep dive into art and Patrick relationship because the way art was dogging Patrick in the sauna scene ain’t no way, like Pat what do you see in him😅
Nah I don’t think Art came off that manipulative or smart at all. I think Patrick and Tashi were the manipulators who both wanted something out of Art. Patrick is the person that Is all talent, raw passion but no discipline . Art is disciplined but doesn’t have that natural talent Patrick has or passion. He’s easier to control though which is why Tashi goes for him later on. Between Tashi and Patrick they see each other for what they are , selfish pieces of shit. And Patrick wants art to be less timid and be more like him so show that passionate side. Tashi though wants art to use his discipline to be a good tennis player. She’s willing to use herself to encourage him to be the best at the game and Patrick to fire Art’s jealousy. Patrick is willing to use Tashi to Also rile up art to care about something.
Also there’s a toxic love there. Patrick wants art romantically but knows Art doesn’t want him so it’s this weird dynamic of half resentment so he thinks if I can’t have you I’ll take what you want, Tashi. But he still loves Art so he wants him to stand up from himself and take what he wants (tashi) and stop being so passive about life so he can build his confidence.
Tbh Art’s whole planting seeds thing seemed like a weak attempt at being a player like Patrick and Tashi. Patrick is even happy and respects Art for going to the dark side or trying. Art seems like the person that Tashi and Patrick are just trying to corrupt not the one who is smarter than all of them
That bruise was caused when tashi hit him,he doesn't have a drug problem. If it was true ,tashi would have mentioned it when he insulted him,also he is professional tennis,may be he is not top of the ranking ,but I doubt with a sport like tennis he would be capable of using heroin and still playing
When was it suggested that art and tashi were hooking up while she was with Patrick? I missed it when watching
The churro scene was so intimate that I was literally blushing and my whole body was warm. It felt SO intimate and personal that I felt like I was intruding on something I wasn’t supposed to be witnessing. But I guess that’s exactly what Luca was going for!
When my sister and I watched the movie we were just like, “Art and Patrick should be a couple.”
I think one of the most interesting things is that they are in love and many audience members have said that they should just be together. But the actors and Luca have noted that they still can’t be without Tashi. I am curious as to why since this video says that she is not the main love.
Zendaya herself called it codependent the movie which made me cackle, and I agree they need her: that’s why I call her the catalyst. Without her setting her plans in motion, they would have never been pushed like they were either in their tennis games, or even the kissing scene. They still need her to create the tension, she the one who’s bold enough to do that for sure.
I think about the analogy Deborah makes in this video which is the boys are the players and tashi is the ball…they can’t play if there’s no ball so ultimately it is overall a codependent relationship
@@flapjackalopis711 I appreciate the replies! One thing I noticed after watching the film again is that in the first scene in the hotel you can see a children’s tennis bag. In that same scene the daughter wants Tashi to watch a movie with her and notes that all her mom talks about it tennis. It showed me that Tashi may continue this vicarious living through her daughter. Her daughter may choose tennis and get good at it, just to get her mom’s attention.
Bc ashi is literally all they fight for, they are in love with her even obsessed and while they have sexual tension with each other it’s a BISEXUAL movie, people try to erase female characters so that they can have their gay male head cannon its actually so annoying. So many people have tried making this gay and take Tashi out of the equation, leave the bisexual media for the bisexuals, ppl just have to make it gay when it’s a two male- one female pairing its literally biphobia half of the time
@@SoSodawgindahouse I think most of us here understand what Luca meant by this movie being a love trial where all corners touch. All of these people love each other in platonic and romantic ways. Although they are toxic.
see this does make sense to me because thematically the film centres itself around tennis representing a relationship … and the ones playing the tennis with eachother are art and patrick . as you said, tashi, the coach, drives them together. ie think that interpretation of the dynamic is the one that fits with the medium of tennis to tell the story !!
Art does have that puppy energy. He loves Patrick and Tashi, maybe more than he loves tennis? Tashi is gonna turn their daughter into a tennis star and Art is gonna let her 😱.
I actually don't think Art would. It's really obvious how much Art loves his daughter and I think that would be something he'd never allow Tashi to do.
I know I wasn't imagining their sexual tension! I am so confused after coming out of theater because I just don't understand the movie if Art and Patrick are not lovers. When they kiss passionately in hotel I was like, could this be? And when Patrick went to visit tashi at university, he also found art and the way he pulls art's chair closer to him...that was like, THE moment where I was like Patrick probably is in love with art. But I can never be sure and it's driving me crazy because I don't understand this movie at all if they are not in love!!! Especially the ending, when art even smiled after knowing tashi cheated on him and embraced Patrick?? Like why would he do that, if that is not the moment he realized that he loves Patrick too??
I think they both know they love each other on some level the whole movie, they just don’t know what to do with the info 😂
I was definitely waiting for them to do it. Never happened and that was my problem.
😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
Same
Same frustration I had with Saltburn. Barry Keogan and Jacob Elordi didn't even kiss!
Art was not ready. But maybe he will at some point.
@@jeremyud omg yes 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I thought I was the only one who thought this movie was lowkey queer coded
edit: I just found out that challengers was directed by the same man who directed call me by your name 😭💀
Nah you’re not the only one. Like, that churros scene - dang!! 🔥
That explains everything
Lowkey? Wtf, this movie feels like gay erotica at some points lmao
lowkey??!
I’d say more than lowkey 😅
This is the "This situation could have been fixed through a Polycule" movie to me. That churro scene was...intense. Revealing the cheating in the finale match and them still embracing in the end really drove home the point this is about their dynamic first. The unresolved set-up of the three of them being involved from the get go sort of created all this mess. One could only theorize about a possible ending of the story beyond the end of the movie...all of them still have a lot of growing to do by the end and did really reach their goal.
Tbh I do kinda wish Guadagnino had put a stronger exclamation point on Art and Patrick's reconciliation at the end of the film: for example either a) Art deliberately letting Patrick win or b) Patrick beating Art so that Tashi would leave him, and then a shot of Tashi walking out of the venue to signify that she was walking out of both their lives, followed by a final shot of the two men hugging somewhere off-court to signify that their relationship had survived the turbulence of their mutual obsession with her.
The way the film ended was okay, but imo all that tension that had built up in the final match was crying out for a stronger payoff and resolution than what we actually got.
patrick probably couldve returned that dunk but he let go of his racket to catch Art from diving headfirst onto the court :>
personally i liked it, it doesn't matter what happens after imo. they all got what they wanted - Tashi got a good game, Art has his confidence back, and Patrick got the intimacy, the relationship via tennis, that he craved from Art. we don't need to see what happens after the hug, its the end of particular chapter in their lives. though we can imagine.
personally i dont think theyll ever have a healthy, non-turbulent relationship, but it will "survive". they can only get what they want through each other. i imagine Art will get his fire for tennis back, Patrick might qualify for the open and they get to play professional matches more times over the year, matches more intense than grandslam finals. Art will win get his Grand Slam and though Patrick might never get to be a real contender he'll be known as the one person who could make Art Donaldson bleed. and Tashi gets to live vicariously through her two tennis players
@@mononymouslyjan8313the ball was still in Patrick's side ,art didn't need to crossed the net or hit the ball when it was still in Patrick's side,so Art didn't care about the rules at all.
sometimes less is better and i personally dont think a very explicit on-the-nose ending would have done any wonders for the movie. its symbolic and full of metaphors that kind of ending would ruin the whole vibe
@@mer4738 Sometimes, but not always.
Given the relentless intensity of the final match I think this is the kind of film that would have benefited from a somewhat more pronounced ending. The kind of thing I suggested also doesn't seem *that* explicit, it's just giving the audience a bit more of a clue about what kind of state they're leaving these characters behind in.
Each to their own though, I guess.
@@petermillington6175 yes but the clues that you suggested don't represent what the end actually was, I think Tashi's smile and the hug at the end were enough. Personally, I loved the ending, it says a lot without spelling it out for us, and it gives a room for the viewers to come up with their own theories of what happens next. I think the ending you suggested is cheesy, I wouldn't have liked the movie as much if that was the ending, no offense.
Well, if we have to pick a winner, Tashi ultimately won. She wanted Art to get his game back, and she was willing to break him down for it. She ultimately got that. Will he serve Tashi the divorce papers? We can only hope, but he got his game back. If he decides to continue, he's probably going to win the US Open and quite frankly, I've never seen anyone wear success so badly. He should retire. Not just because he has nothing left to prove and is downright exhausted but because he isn't even in it for himself. He's doing it because Tashi sadly got injured so now she is stuck in a perpetual phase of beginning. She's never going to know the feeling of wanting to end because she was robbed of that. But he can't continue living out her dream. I disagree with Patrick when he said Tashi probably hated Art but I do believe that she resents having to live in his glory even when she contributed so much to it and the fact that he recovered from his own injury where she didn't. And I completely get that. Hers was a cruel fate. She was clearly destined for greatness and then having to make a man great in her place...that's a slap in the face in my book. But that doesn't give her the right to do what she did to Art. And i will spell it out because am seeing that a lot of the people in the comments missed this but Art is experiencing domestic abuse. Am seeing a lot of people trying to say he was in on it. And that could be true but not in the movie we saw. Like people, the cheating was literally the most harmless thing of them all. That's more than messed up. Like was I the only one doing the mental math to see if that kid was actually his? And even if she was, the fact that I absolutely believe that she is going to turn her obsession unto her daughter really says how low of a human she is. Great character though. The script did a great job at showing who she was even when we basically know nothing about her.
Anyways, that last game, it truly was Art and Patrick living their relationship. It was so encompassing of everything they are. They really are fire and ice. The hug at the end was a mirror of their hug at the start of the movie. I also hope Art is going to kick Patrick right out with Tashi. I hope that scene is like the scene with Art and Tashi in the hotel where it could basically be read as the interaction with a partner right before it ends. It's a testament to the actor more than the script because they really are backgroundless characters. We only see a moment in their lives as opposed to what shaped them. But I started the movie giving Art the bad bro award and by the end, myself and everyone else in the theater were ready to jump in and beat people down for him. Like, seriously, I think our hearts collectively broke at the scene in the hotel bedroom and then again when we believe he was going to catch Tashi with Patrick. Someone get this man help to escape this situation. Like I take my hat off for Mike Faist. The man is ready for his lead role.
I think they all loved and wanted to be together. Tennis and ego got in the way even if those same things were what bring them together.
Tennis is a relationship.
They played each other through the entire film only for the three of them understanding each other in the end.
Enjoyed hearing your thoughts on the movie; you might also mention that it is key that the brilliant Italian director Luca Guadagnino helms the film. American directors/filmmakers tend to shy away from intimacy between two males; frankly, they're clumsy about it. But Guadagnino is not; without him, the film wouldn't exist, in my opinion. The actors are all fine, by the way.
Uhh besides the Art+Patrick kiss that wouldn't have stopped unless Tashi interrupted it,, and the chair/churros scene, the scene that reallly did it for me was when Tashi and Patrick were in her dorm room together and she was kissing/touching him and talking about Art's talents and strengths and Patrick was enthusiastically affirming everything she was saying??🥴🥴🥴
YESSSSS i love how you put to words everything this movie made me feel!! 10/10 i agree with everything, as you said, tashi is literally just another object of rivality between them and their tension, loved this, thanks sm!!
Art was in love with the idea of tashi .
i can't believe you managed to put my EXACT thoughts into a coherent video, ughh the brainnnn !! subbed x
Everybody kicking the woman out of this scenario *sigh* bisexuality exists yall.
I know, it's very annoying how easily people try to dismiss her out of the equation as if they don't all get something out of each other. Throuple all the way!
Right thats so fucking annoying, they do that everytime there’s a two male one female trio, actually pissing me off
i totally agree with this, but specifically for this movie i dont see it. tashi never really cared about either of them that much - she just cared about tennis.
@@sillyladtan Tashi doesn't love either of them and constantly manipulates them, that's why she's being kicked out of the scenario.
@@SoSodawgindahouse I usually hate when people try to turn throuples in media into couples, but Tashi clearly doesn't love either of these men in the film. She repeatedly states during the movie that she only wants the number of the tennis player that wins, and constantly manipulates Art so he'll have a good game even though he wants to retire. Art literally says, "I'm tired. I know I'm playing for both of us." Like Patrick said to Tashi in their first argument: She wants a member of her fan club.
She loves tennis the way Patrick and Art loved each other.
This video essay is so in depth and well explained. I can’t wait to rewatch the film for my third time soon.
This was excellent and is similar to some thoughts I had that I couldn't word as clearly. Thank you!
I saw the title, went to go see the movie and spent the entire day searching for your video
I love your film analysis, you have good attention to detail!
when i was watching the film, the whole time it felt like there was just as much sexual tension between art and pactric as there was with either of them and tashi
The way you edit your videos is so beautiful!
been watching + loving your channel since your ballad of songbirds and snakes video! keep up the great analyses and content 🫶
Thank you🥺❤️
You are this explanation. One of my fav dark romance movies so far this year
Love your review and brilliant analysis. I was think of the same thing while doing the film research...will definitely see it.
Your analysis felt spot on. Very well thought out.
I haven’t even watched the movie yet and from trailer alone it was so clear to me that these two dudes are the actual relationship beneath all the other dynamics! And I haven’t even watched the video yet and I’m sure I will agree with most of it
The movie displayed to us that Patrick was really interested in Tashi (he was staring at the poster), and that Art was interested in the sport (he was staring at the trophy) of tennis from the beginning. Art began to be interested in Tashi when she let out that scream after she scored the point (love of tennis). Patrick loves Tashi, Art loves Patrick and tennis, and Tashi loves tennis the most. Art was gay and only ended up with Tashi because she was a connection to Patrick. We see that Art knew Patrick had an affair with Tashi, but he didn’t care, if anything it probably made him feel closer to Patrick. Patrick is displayed as someone not bound by gender descriptors and more characterized as gender fluid. Patrick knew Art was in love with him and would mess with Art. The only time we saw a character with a dark moment is when Patrick told Art he slept with Tashi. We saw a completely different side of Art, a malevolent side of him. He reacted like that because he is in love with Patrick. Thats why he tried and succeeded in breaking them up. Patrick lives life the way he wants it, including his love of Tashi and then tennis. Art loves Patrick but is loyal to tennis and Tashi. Tashi loves tennis and also loves Patrick, just not nearly as much. She dislikes that he could be much better if he actually put his all into it. Patrick refuses to do so because he lives by his rules.
I disagree, I think Patrick is 100% in love with Art.
Nahhh, did you watched a different movie or sum?.. Patrick was always more open in his attraction to his best friend, with Tashi, he was obviously smitten, but I would argue, NOT in love with her. I feel like they were the happiest, when they played together in duet matches or with each other. Tashi was definitely a catalyst for a rivalry as said in the video, but it was always a despair in winning for Art, who separated Patrick as a player and him being a potential love interest. He IS smart and has a good emotional intelligence to realize that his, mostly hidden, love for Patrick will ultimately doom his ambition to be a good tennis player and he will be always the 2nd, thus he chose Tashi as a coach and abandoned Patrick for a decade. Only when he started to consider retirement because of Tashi's insatiable need for tennis through decades ("I'm tired, I know I play tennis for both of us") the only one who can make him going is Patrick and Tashi knows that, in fact she understood everything right in the beginning. Hell, I would even suggest, that it was never about Tashi in the first place with them, but about Art's suppressed feelings for Patrick and that tension that was never resolved between them. He essentially blue-balled himself, while Patrick was honest in his love with Art right from the start (the first hotel conversation they all had and then that sauna scene). Patrick was also getting off to Art's "presence" every time he was with Tashi (in the dorm, where she was describing him as a good, attractive player; in Atlanta, where he was provoked by Tashi saying Art is probably somewhere near by; finally, in the car, where she asked him to lose for Art, because she needs that, Patrick wouldn't do that for HER, but he would certainly do that for HIM, just like at the very beginning of the film, where Art asks Patrick to lose and he easily agrees before they met Tashi). Patrick was down bad for Art since the beginning and Art on the other hand, was too ambitious to accept that and reciprocate. In the end, everyone had their happy ending either way, Tashi watched "some good fuckin tennis game", Art finally got to express his own passion for Patrick and Patrick recieved a confirmation from Art that he DOES matter to him and it was never about the tennis.
Patrick is fire as in hurting the people around him but Art is ice as he is soothing to everyone else
This review gave me an “ha-ah!” moment. So good!
as a tennis player this hit on a different level. best movie ever !!
In the churo scene Patric, uses his foot to drag Arts seat closer to his before he sits down, that says so much about their relationship
Chile let me open up a new AO3 tab
Great analysis girl.
To make it short: every film with Josh O'Connor is a good film 😊
I love this video but I think that there may be another interpretation for fire and ice. It wasn’t stated clearly which character was which and I think that’s genius cause it’s up to the viewer to choose. In the churro scene, Patrick is wearing white while Art is wearing red. That’s also the only moment where Patrick seems kinda stable throughout the movie while Art is « liting up » as Patrick said about something finally. So for me in the churro scene we can perceive Patrick as ice and Art as fire.
If tennis is a relationship, then what does it say about these guys when their formative years of learning the game and hitting puberty was with each other?
I love your analysis, though I'd argue patrick is fire and volatile and therefore his emotions are more honestly on display than the other two. If you watch the motel scene again you can see Patrick is silent and sad when Tashi asks if the boys ever hooked up, and he touched himself very briefly after telling the story. It reads as more than desire. And it is a mistake to refer to it as the story of Art's sexual education when it's clear it's a first for both. Patrick may have known what to do, but he has never done it with another person before. It was probably very formative for him and he is a lot more aware of him feelings and desires throughout the film, than Tashi and definitely than Art. You can also see his emotions very clearly in the sauna scene. He is honest in it and Art isn't. The sad truth is when they were young and played as doubles Patrick made art disappear. When they're playing tennis as a team, Art doesn't get a single chance to show himself, to play.
Art remains unaware of his own latent desires or feelings towards Patrick until the very end, but by the end of the film an optimist can hope that Art needed the years of separation to grow and see that he can dominate some games then reintroduce himself into the relationship with Patrick in a more balanced way. And Tashi will get to enjoy some fucking good "Tennis".
What’s crazy is apart from the scene where Patrick kinda looks sheepish when Tasha asks if they ever thought about experimenting with each other and their actual kiss scene I never felt like Patrick and art were that interested in each other. Like they both obsess over tashi and if they need her cause she’s a catalyst then I don’t rlly think they’re that into each other
Patrick and Art are on the floor together after their first match
Patrick takes Arts gum like Zendaya does
Patrick holds Arts leg during Tashis match
Patrick looks unhappy when Tashi mentions Arts going to Stamford
Patrick calls them an open relationship
They literally make out
Patrick chases Art around
Patrick scoots a stool towards himself and they eat churros together
Art doesn't deny it when Tashi calls herself a homewrecker
When they're in the sauna Art says that Patrick doesn't matter in the tennis world and Patrick asks him "I don't matter?"
They look and touch each other all the time
Patrick throws away his racket so he can catch Art at the end match
But hey those were just a few things I noticed in the movie that made me personally think they were interested in each other 🤷♀️ to each their own haha
@@pongo5000agreed
The boys are definitely into each other as that kissing scene was the most passionate of all the other kissing scenes. Patrick would act on his lust for Art in a heartbeat, but Art is more reserved and more concerned about appearances and his brand.
@@pongo5000i really did like the hug at the end, i was conflicted but PAT IS SOOO IN LOVEE BROO
How Tashi treats Art, is how Art treats Patrick. Patrick really was down bad for Art, and Art knew it. Art is just better at suppressing himself.
your video totally convince me to go and see it for myself;
mostly through trailers I'd deduced the threesome plus tenis love affair but in the back of my mind "well it would be far more interesting to have the two male protagonists kiss and just have Zendaya in the background playing chess manipulation game or yenga in the actuall movies" like excuse me I love Zendaya, she's amazing in the movies and during the fashion shows, but Spiderman destroyed her in my eyes a bit; as in every romantic movie I see her in I just wish any endgame boy was played by Tom Holland. It was the same case with Brat Pitt and Angelina Jolie after Mr and Mrs Smith
An enigma that eggs you on. Nice alliteration
This was a great take and this video shared my same thoughts!
I’m surprised people are seeing Art as this mastermind though. I think Patrick and Tashi were the manipulators who both wanted something out of Art. Patrick is the person that Is all talent, raw passion but no discipline . Art is disciplined but doesn’t have that natural talent Patrick has or passion. He’s easier to control though which is why Tashi goes for him later on. Between Tashi and Patrick they see each other for what they are , selfish pieces of shit. And Patrick wants art to be less timid and be more like him so show that passionate side. Tashi though wants art to use his discipline to be a good tennis player. She’s willing to use herself to encourage him to be the best at the game and Patrick to fire Art’s jealousy. Patrick is willing to use Tashi to Also rile up art to care about something. So they all use each other Tashi uses them to fuel her love of tennis, Patrick uses her to get passion out of Art and fuel his love for him, and Art kinda uses Tashi as a trophy or proof to Patrick that he’s beat him at something
Also there’s a toxic love there. Patrick wants art romantically but knows Art doesn’t want him so it’s this weird dynamic of half resentment so he thinks if I can’t have you I’ll take what you want, Tashi. But he still loves Art so he wants him to stand up from himself and take what he wants (tashi) and stop being so passive about life so he can build his confidence.Then Art’s whole planting seeds thing seemed like a weak attempt at being a player like Patrick and Tashi. Patrick is even happy and respects Art for going to the dark side or trying. Art seems like the person that Tashi and Patrick are just trying to corrupt not the one who is smarter than all of them
Really good review
I totally agree with you !
love the video!! tho i must say, as someone who's seen the movie two times and gravitated towards art and away from patrick both times, i feel like you made patrick seem much more.. evil? ig? than he is
this isn't shade or me saying you're wrong or did something bad lol i just think you didn't mention that, while for example, yes, art did try to undermine #that one experience they shared at 12yo, patrick didn't treat it as just a funny story. he seemed genuinely hurt when art tried to do so when explaining it to tashi. i think patrick actually considered that to be an intimate moment.
there are multiple times in the film where you can see art trying to run away from his attraction to patrick (which is definitely there let's be real), but patrick has always been sort of confident in his bisexuality. when tashi first meets them and says she's not a homewrecker, art says "we're not together," and patrick jokes, saying "it's an open relationship." ofc that's a joke but there was some truth sprinkled in it for him, i feel.
i don't think patrick tried to use sexuality to intimidate art as much as he was trying to get to him and trying to get both art and himself to realize their feelings for each other.
ofc i'm not saying patrick's perfect, again, i was team art both times i'd seen the movie and i found patrick to be kind of a prick, but objectively looking at the story of the movie, patrick isn't as much of a villain as he's portrayed. i'd even disagree with the notion that he didn't love tashi, because that's something we only heard come out of art's mouth, not his
but anyway, that's just some of my thoughts on the movie. again, i really loved the video!! ❤️
spot on.
Pat and Art should’ve said fuck the match and ended up together
If they do another movie I hope they delve into Pat and Art’s relationship
Cause baby that sauna scene got me thinking real hardddd when Patrick said “I Dont Matter” and Art was contemplating so bad on what to say cause it seemed like he wanted to say “You Do Matter to Me” but he dogged him out instead
Not gonna spoil but the ending was really nice
What I see is that the three are in love with each other and with tennis, but each one chooses one true love between those:
-Tashi chooses Tennis as her true love
-Patrick chooses Art
-Art chooses Tashi
Kinda agree
.....love story between Pat n art
Literally! I was watching it like why is Zendaya’s character even here
@@nkt.11 No Tashi is literally all they fight for, they are in love with her even obsessed and while they have sexual tension with each other it’s a BISEXUAL movie, stop trying to erase female characters so that you can have your gay male head cannon its actually so annoying. So many people have tried making this gay and take Tashi out of the equation, leave the bisexual for the bisexuals, this biphobic bs happens everyime two guys and one woman are paired
I'm really shocked at what people thought they were going to see, did no one watch the trailers?
Say no more. Convinced me to go watch this film. Really looked down on it thinking it was cliche.
It's definitely not even reminded me of some David Fincher films tbh.
I absolutely love the comments section here!
yes!!!
Zendaya is really likeable, and a definite Movie Star. I haven't seen Euphoria or The Greatest Showman, but based on this movie, Dune and the Spider-Man movies, I've found her to be quite a one-note actress. Josh O' Connor should be arrested for thievery. He stole this movie with his performance.
Euphoria was brilliant imo, her acting range is evident
@@ash1451 I haven't seen the show, and good to know she shows range for that role. She hasn't demonstrated that range in recent movies, alas…
People saying she couldn't act until this movie are actual dumbasses she was amazing in Euphoria and Dune.
She's always had great range her roles in stories are just always limited.
@@personperson573 If it were just based on Dune, Spider-Man movies and Challengers (which is all I'v seen),, her role choices present a very narrow acting range. I do love her in interviews and press tours. She seems like a great person.
@@fastbowler A in Dune she is playing Chani a side character in the original Novel and specific importance in the film adaptations. B in Spider-Man her arc as MJ is shafted because it's only introduced and built up after one movie. So no her performances don't suck it's just the roles you've seen them in.
I wish those two boys got together, screw tashi😂
Sounds like a Leo Scorpio relationship burn to the ground😂😂
all 3 of them are toxic
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My interpretation is that Tashi is the game of tennis and the movie is about Art and Patrick's relationship with tennis. The two young guys meet Tashi after their first win at junior US open. After their first taste of victory they are smitten. Patrick is the first one to shoot his shot at Tashi and he also turns pro first. After a short stint Patrick rejects Tashi's demands signifying that he never gave tennis a serious commitment it needs. So Patrick's career goes nowhere. Art is the opposite. He seeks validation and self identity in tennis. He does anything and everything Tashi demands. For that Art is rewarded with accolades and a family. But at the twilight of his career he is tired. He still loves tennis but he can't keep up with what the game demands of him anymore. The two fight over Tashi like she is a tennis ball but they see different things in Tashi and in tennis. Art wants her approval. Patrick wants that last high.
That's some serious bisexual erasure I can not tolerate!
Maybe I'm just atypical but I actually sympathized with Patrick the most at the start since Art was trying to place seeds of doubt in Tashi and Patrick's relationship and Tashi was just using everyone.
Okay I kept thinking about why Art was upset with Pat. My theory is that Pat was naturally good compared to Art who had to work with it. In the chilis scene Tashi asks Art if he and Pat have played each other or been in contact. Which Art replies that he has not. I think Art is mad at Pat (expressed in sauna scene) because as Art continued to improve even before Tashi. Pat did not try to improve to at least meet Art in a game. While Art improved himself. I think Art did this initial improvement because he wanted to play against Pat again. I think Art is mad because Pat let him down by never trying to be as good at tennis.
It’s between all 3 characters that’s literally the whole point of the movie it’s a love story between tashi/art/patrick? This is not a revelation
I find that fans love to remove any female character when two men are involved. But in this film... doing this is crazy 😳
@@miurtouissi1093 Preach!
@@miurtouissi1093right,that’s actually so damn annoying
Personally this is how I perceived it: Tashi knows she has power for both Patrick and Art. BUT Art can be conniving in a sense of being a snake. Art is the typical new generation man where he shows hes a "Nice guy" but clearly hes not. Patrick is the old generation man where he knows who he is and he knows what he wants and is very open about his decisions. Tashi and Patrick sparks that Passion Chaos. Art and Tashi sparks the grounded part of a relationship. The typical Successful family. As Tashi screams "COME ON" at the end, she sees this as a relationship between Art, Tashi and Patrick knowing that they have known each other for so long and would know how to spark that between each other especially that Passion between each other. There could also be an underlying Attraction between Patrick and Art especially when Art seems to long and talk about patrick throughout the film all the time and Tashi noticed it, but im not too sure about that
YESSSSSS
how did art when i mean his daughter my not be his his wife cheat on him, and we still know if he beat patrick,
i mean pat was in the top 300 with out doing nearly the same amout of work.
Is like a jennifers body interaction...patrik Being jennifer in a way
Main Takeaway:
The movie is good, watch it for yourself.
Yes this 🙏🔥
I disliked this film a lot despite being a interesting watch made by very tableted people. Great cinematography. good acting, okay story. great pairables with tennis and "the game" they play with each others feelings. but i'll never watch it again because I can't stand watching toxic people. it's a gross showing of people doing bad things to each others. the Kid just felt like an emotional pron for the audience to have more feelings and once was enough for me
I think all 3 only truly loved tennis and winning. They used each other for this purpose. They had a ‘by any means necessary’ mindset’. All 3 characters were villains. Clever dialogue, mainly. But the frequent and unnecessary cursing seemed like they were kids trying to ‘talk like adults’. Still, great acting but I wouldn’t recommend this movie to anyone.
Fair enough Tashi loving tennis above all else but Art literally wanted to quit playing tennis and Patrick was willing to throw the last game until he decided to spur Art on instead and willingly threw his racket to catch Art instead of attempting to save the ball but I mean to each their owns opinion I spose😂😂
Absolutely no argument from me.
Art is supposed to be the good guy but he’s just as bad as the rest of them
I WANT A SPINOFF WITH ONLY ART AND PATRICK 😭
Based 😎
No, go watch gay male movies, stop trying to enter bisexual spaces we already don’t have much representation. It’s a fucking bisexual movie and yall trying to take out the only female character is another level of misogyny and bifobia
No, go watch male gay movies only then, this is a bisexual movie and we already dont have much representation. You fushojis are so annoying tryna take out every female character to make your gay headcannons
@@SoSodawgindahousereal .
Disagree. Tashi is the worst, the manipulator. She IS the central character. Patrick is the sympathetic character.
None of them were good people
hahhahah no.
wrong! the movie is actually about the main character, tashi.
She’s definitely not the main character…
Nah all 3 are that's kinda bogus.
Right…
@@SoSodawgindahouse we get it you're angry.
What a cliche collegiate interpretation. Even the language, just straight out of university. Nothing original here.
It’s a toxic love story between all 3 of them 🙏
fujoshi
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Weird choice to include “argue with the wall” in the title of a video review of a movie. Like isn’t the whole point of a film criticism channel to spark discussion??? Idk interesting video btw…
it’s just a joke
No Tashi is literally all they fight for, they are in love with her even obsessed and while they have sexual tension with each other it’s a BISEXUAL movie, stop trying to erase female characters so that you can have your gay male head cannon its actually so annoying. So many people have tried making this gay and take Tashi out of the equation, leave the bisexual for the bisexuals, this biphobic bs happens everyime two guys and one woman are paired