Awesome to hear! PBO works wonders. When I first enabled it I was very impressed with AMD and the work they have done to build in the ability to easily scale up performance with good cooling.
Thank you sir for this information. I been fighting with the heat on my 5950x to a point I went full water. Just to have the voltage being defaulted at 1.445v....Dropped it to 1.15v and amazingly it is staying idle in the 40s now.
This channel is so under rated! Very good explanations and overall presentation on how to tackle the overclocking by yourself. I give you a big thumbs up for this video! Just got my 5950x 2 days ago and did not have much success with overclocking until I found out this video, so thanks! :)
This was incredible! You had me running my pbo/static oc in no time. Now, given that I have some experience doing both and already had my pbo decently tuned up, I pretty much slapped what you tried into mine and Holy crap batman! Did it ever work! Time for some fine tuning, lol. Also, this really was one of the best, in depth videos I've seen on this subject. I've looked into overclocking videos for about 2 years now and am exceedingly annoyed I haven't seen you before. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for this video, it's been very informative and has made a huge difference. I left the cpu ratio to auto and used the amd overclock, - p boost advanced, - pbo motherboard Cpu boost + with max cpu 200mhz Stats - boosted all cores from 3400 to 4500 on cinebench - current v core 1.138 - minimum core 1.138 - max v core of 1.250 - Average v core 1.158 - max temp of 59° - max Watts 151.2 I reckon I could push it, further, but its rock solid. Used avidia stres test overnight and while I was at work for 19.75 hours) and didn't crash. Max temp 67° Cinebench score 29145
I really appreciate the video. I have a similar setup but new to the OC world and was stumbling around like a blind man in the dark! This was so well done and so helpful and got me going in the right direction. Thank you sir!
Currently running 4.7GHz 5800X at 1.26875V with 4000MHz / 2000FCLK C14-16-16-30 at 1.45V G.Skill Neo with my Dark Hero X570. I also am Water Cooled and my Strix 3090 is in a Alphacool Water Block with a +220 GPU Core, +1000 Memory that hits 47C on 3D Mark, and Junction Temps at 68C. Not bad at all.
Tip for beginners, I learned this on years of experience: always overclock after you clean installed, disable everything you don't need for benchmarking and make sure you are 100% stable. After that, re-install windows, because you might corrupt the OS during testing and benchmarking, before setting everything as your daily driver. Don't install manufacturer bloatware, just chipset/gpu drivers and bios is enough (only if the bios is unstable, don't fix what isn't broken). I stumbled into some really weird glitches, bugs and corrupted data in the course of 10+ years, wasted a lot of time troubleshooting while the only fix was to reinstall. Thank me later, it might surprise you what a week of overclocking, benchmarking and tweaking can do to your OS.
Definitely a solid beginner tip! If you overclock your memory for example and it isn't 100% stable, but Windows runs a defragment on your main storage drive(s) the data can become corrupted! Overclocking is pretty safe if you are doing it in small stints and properly stability testing things, I mess with my system's overclock almost weekly to test new things different hardware, but I have solid backups. When I had Windows Millennium Edition (ME) I thought I would be smart and upgrade to 1GB of RAM from 512MB. Apparently Windows ME could only support 512MB. You could add more, and the OS would display that you had more, but it would "ghost address" the memory addresses above 512MB meaning that when my defrag ran the data was thrown into oblivion and returning nothing. My whole drive was corrupted and I lost years of photos. I was 18 or 19 at the time. Data was unrecoverable. Maintaining regular backups can help ensure you don't lose data 👍
@@UnhingedSystems Oofff windows ME.. Yeah, I rather forget that period. Also yeah... I learned this the hard way. Luckily I have back ups, but you never know. These issues can go undetected for a long while and is usually related to unstable bios/overclock settings. Usually overclocking is pretty safe indeed, but if you want to push extremely high bench scores (without LN2) and you push a little too hard for too long, data corruption is inevitable. Also you tend to get better scores on a total clean install with just chipset drivers and everything unnecessary disabled. Happy tweaking, great videos.
Had a problem similar today, I couldn't figure out what was wrong for the life if me pc what blue screening and crashing after I added more fans, I couldn't even boot in to save mode it was very confusing especially when I forgot I used my USB to load bios and forgot I was trying to boot on it😂😂 had to brake out the laptop to get the file's have every fixed now I think just cleaning the pc and reformating ssd and hard drives, before I set it up again, don't what that problem to just come back straight away
I have a 5900x and also Dark Hero, stumbled across your channel when I was researching the EKWB Monoblock for C8Hero/Dark hero. Since I will be upgrading GPU very soon I wanted to upgrade my waterloop also and wanted to upgrade to the monoblock (I have a regular Velocity block, but I got bored of the looks). Thanks, you have really good content and are an underrated channel and had a good time watching this video and the building of your pc. I only wonder, did you see actual improvements in VRM temperatures with the mono block, because I think the VRM is already so overkill that it's for most people not worth looking into it other than aesthetics (already purchased, not installed yet before I have my new GPU and blocks. Did it mainly for looks, not necessarily for gains).
I had a 46.50@1.356v on my 5950. Instead I am using PBO and getting an allcore of 4575-4600 while keeping boosts up to 5100. I have 2 360mm radiators and a lot of fans in my cooling loop though. I set each core individually, it took a long time to figure it out, quite a few weekends and about a thousand reboots, but I'm happy. The only thing I disagree with is your ram. I would leave it stock until after your cpu overclock. Ram could cause core to be unstable. Core is king. Then after, see if xmp/docp is stable, and go from there. Ram is not as important as core. On my CO, I have one core at -17, and the rest are -22 to -26. Boost override best results +50 for me PPT 270 TDC 165 EDC 230
RAM at 3600 shouldn't be causing any core instability, but RAM at 3800 or 4000 certainly could (memory controller not keeping up). Running RAM at 2333 with Ryzen 5000 would be leaving a lot of performance on the table so at the very least RAM speeds should be verified before attempting an overclock. I agree with you in that if you are getting instability that disabling the RAM overclock is a great troubleshooting step. If the CPU is drawing a lot of power it may be necessary to increase SOC voltage to stabilize (Just nothing over 1.2V). The RAM itself wouldn't be causing instability, if anything it would be insufficient voltage to the memory controller due to CPU power draw. Out of curiosity, what is your peak CPU temperature? Thanks! Thank you for the comment and the tips!
@@UnhingedSystems depending on the BIOS I'm on..gigabytes newest bios is horrible and is unstable at xmp...I guess we can say it varies. On the previous bios I am running 3800 14-16-15-32-48-312 next to a really good overclock. I actually stopped forcing constant voltage and am using auto voltage with PBO+CO. My peak is 87 when stress testing, or 84 during a typical gaming session. I have spent many hours on this, and only hit 87 in extreme circumstances. I went extreme overclocking first, then worked on the temps later. So I kind of went backwards, and it may not be the best idea for those who just want a nice steady overclock. I am more of a...put your foot on its neck and see what it can do..type person. My gpu has a 520w unverified bios..a 3090 that averages about 2070mhz. I wouldn't leave ram on 2133 either. Just for overclocking or troubleshooting. I put it down to 2133 because I have tightened my timings and just like to focus on one thing at a time. Then I tried 3800 and it actually worked. I will say that having an fclk at 1900 does raise my cpu temps by about 5° peak, so this was something to consider. For me. It does not do this at 1867, but 1900 and it does. So I am approaching some sort of limit maybe. I agree about soc. It took a long time to figure all of these things out. It's not a quick process lol Obviously there are different/better ways to do this. I'm confident I have found a point where my cpu will never throttle, and have gotten the most out of it. Am I pushing it a bit too hard? It's very possible.
@@Cblan1224 Which 3090 are you using? I have thought of flashing my card with a higher wattage BIOS, but 3090s aren't the easiest to find replacements for right now. My 480W card tends to be around 2030-2060 MHz most of the time, but it has TONS of thermal headroom still.
@@UnhingedSystems you have a suprim? I have an msi GXT. I have tried suprim, ftw3 xoc 500w, and landed on kingpin 520w bios. With nvidia control panel on prefer maximum performance, it is at a constant 1920mhz. Evga xoc is 1800mhz. My msi was 1760something. So there is much less variation in card speed. Ramping up and down. Its a strong performer. But the bios I'm using isn't verified. It's on techpowerup as an unverified bios. Kingpin gives these out directly, supposedly. The initial 520w bios is verified, but for the one with resizeable bar, supposedly people had to get it from kingpin. Then it likely was shared and ended up on techpowerup. Kingpin also has a 900w unlimited bios, but for some reason he can't add ReBar to that one. Anyway, the only game that pushes 520w for me at the moment is metro exodus pc enhanced in 4k with max settings. I'm not sure why. The gpu is always at 99-100%, but some games don't go over 450w. I should mention that I have both sides of my gpu on waterblocks. Which is essential for a 3090. Don't want the vram on the back heating up the core..or have half my vram at different temps than the other half.
@@Cblan1224 Nice! Mine is the Asus Strix OC 3090 (485W max per sensors) with an EK block and passive EK backplate. GPU hardly ever goes over 44C and the memory never goes above 60C with the max hotspot temp being around 56C. That is with a fluid temperature between 36-40C The passive backplate is more than enough for me with the right thermal pads used all around the card. Factory thermal pads and EK thermal pads are sub-par. I have a 3090 FE still in the box bit I plan to swap out every thermal pads and thermal compound to see how it actually performs. I'll be using it at stock clocks for a rendering/workstation/streaming server.
If want fast BSOD´s for overclock tests, use the game called: Road redemption , it´s very sensitive to instabilities on pc, and you can found very fast the exactly vcore what you need. About degradation i see different reports about, including with 1.18v in 4 years as well a i7 2600k working at 1.41 for 9 years without any degradation.
Wow, this is no longer an enigma for me! So glad I found your video. I used AI Suite 3 to do an automated overclock now its stuck at 4ghz so I figured Id learn what all this is about and you came through! I leaned a multi core overclock will lock the frequency. I planned to put it back to do the automated boost overclocking but armed with your knowledge I may just get squirly!
Put 45,5GHz on better half and 44,5GHz lesser half of die at "CPU CORE RATIO (PER CCX)" and find a good voltage for your setup. I found it most stable like that
O my this video was AMAZING 😮 I loved the way u explained everything I feel like I wanted to learn like u had me hooked and taught me so much in just this video I have a 5950x and it's doing wonderful u earned urself a sub that's for sure thank you so much
I've been able to keep my 5900x@4.4Ghz 1.2V for almost half a year now! I could get aome higher clocks, 4.5, however I used various programs to test thermals and Blender's OpenData renders pushed it past 90C so, 4.4Ghz it is 😂
I get a little over 30,000 with my r9 5950x stock. My best oc where temps were still ok enough was 4.725Ghz @1.34-1.35 (in between there just don't remember the exact) and I got around 35,000 on r23.
Static all core ratio and voltage is not worth doing at all IMO, unless you only care about Cinebench score. It's gonna be slower in lightly threaded applications, i.e. gaming. Memory tuning is worth spending time on if you want to tinker, otherwise just enable XMP, PBO + max out Auto OC and call it done. Spending more time after that is chasing single digit percentage points. On one hand it's great that you can get basically max performance with little effort, on the other hand traditional overclocking is kinda dead, or at least dying.
I totally agree that you are better off utilizing PBO and just enabling higher power limits within your cooling capacity. That being said, I don't think overclocking is dead, it's just transitioning to more of a "if you have a great cooling solution you can get 15-20% more performance out of your CPU". Between PBO and curve optimizer you can get some really great improvements over stock. Maybe some day the CPU will be tuned so well from factory that manual options won't provide any benefit at all. That would be less fun though 😉
@@UnhingedSystems Yea I guess I'm just thinking of the way it is now vs what I consider the golden era of overclocking. Chips like Celeron 300A that could usually overclock by 50% without much effort, the Athlon XP 2500+ which was trivial to get 20% and usually more, Pentium 4's that could do 100% overclocks. These days it doesn't really seem worth it because it's a lot more effort for a lot less gains.
Agreed, that is typically the best overall result, PBO is very good on its own. If doing a lot of CPU intensive workloads it would potentially be more efficient to use an all-core overclock.
@@UnhingedSystems yea it would in certain ways. However I found out during gaming even with pbo and curve optimizer the cpu is only drawing about 70 to 80 watts of power which my cpu is the 5800x. And I'm pretty sure if the cpu is running at 80 to 100% it would draw over 100 watts. I also noticed ryzen on 3000 and 5000 series run better on more voltage on auto. but not static voltage.
Anyone following this video just use ryzen master and apply changes that way until you find your sweet spot. Going back and forth to the bios isn’t necessary until youve found the right clock and voltage for you.
Also a good method. I have a number of other OC videos coming up that will touch on different methods and approaches. It would be easy to do a 2HR video on all the ways and approaches, tools, etc, but no one would want to watch that 🧐
Best oc video, would've saved me so much research and being misguided if I came across it earlier. Dont think my asrock b450 pro4 has that switcher as its a miracle I got the pbo2 working with it + above 4g decoding and resizable BAR too, blessed be bios updates. Saved 1000€ just pushing my 2018 builded pc to its am4 limits instead of building a new pc for am5. Went from stock bios version with 2700x to latest bios version that gave support to my 4070 ti super and 5950x! It was a long road, and it seems I could still min max it with ryzen master + the undervolt per core. But I will live with my -10 allcore. Wondering if the max cpu clock overdrive setting is worth to test but you said too ya had some issues with it not working well? Tempted to try it though as my boosted clock doesnt quite reach 5000, with eco mode it did but it was unstable + killed the multicore performance. But 100MHz wont make a noticable difference anyway so prob will try to move away from min maxing and just enjoy what I currently have except if you have some more wisdom to share on the topic.
@@CoKeHQ1Thank you for your kind comments! I think moving away from min/maxing is a noble thing to do. It really isn't worth all of the headaches for a 1-2% gain. I'm more interested in building a liquid cooling loop that allows the system to run completely silent (and to eliminate coil whine entirely on the GPU, or at least isolate the noise extremely well). Also! I've got a podcast (which is why noise isolation is important to me!): Basement Faults and Catapults on Audible, Spotify, Apple etc. where we play random genres of games and have a bunch of fun doing it! New YT video dropping within 2 weeks as well, and getting back to a regular schedule! Thanks for stopping by!
@@UnhingedSystems appreciate the fast reply, on top of it you took the time + put though into it. Makes me feel heard and that is rare for one who likes to write long texts (which few then read which I understand) That aside, I am really perfectionistic and I pay attention to small details really easily which has its perk in more creative and detailed things like art. But with PC stuff that can be maddening when you really easily notice game micro stutters, off sounds your pc makes, or the fluctuating sound pc fans make if you use curves to control fan speed. This led me to finding the sweet spot where temps are good and I almost cant hear the pc and just making those rpms be flat with really small rpm boost between load temps 70-85, and if it gets to 90c then the fans will go apeshit but for now, havent heard them do that once so am done with tracking n will just enjoy peace n quiet. Though gpu coil whine is pretty bad on my gpu, gave it a small undervolt and limited the fps but its still real audible if I dont have headphones on with some sounds especially now that the fans run quiet. But it could be worse and the pitch is low now thanks to those adjustments I made so it doesnt push through my headphones. Next pc build I make I will prioritize getting a quiet case that damps coil whines, hopefully still with decent airflow.
@@UnhingedSystems I totally understand your current predicament having once been a technical content creator and educator, but I am confident with new technology on the horizon, you will soon be back in the swing of things and helping the rest of us muddle through. Take care and all the best.
It's sad my motherboard doesn't have Variable switch I have overkill setup but my motherboard is AM4 X570 ProArt so I can't have single boost and all core boost at same time
Very true! It is very challenging to fit a lot of information into a video without it being an hour long 🙂 I'll be showing a whole gamut of tools in a 5900X video in January. OCCT is actually one of my favorites for CPU error detection. Cinebench is a nice light workload for a CPU, if it can't at least pass that then it's an instant fail. The real test is AVX2 instructions and heavy workloads. I'll also be explaining the whole 5GHz peak and why it doesn't mean much as sustained boost clocks are far more important! Thank you for the comment!
Really nice and super great at explaining! Would you be covering some RAM overclocking as well on the 5950x? I've seen that the 5000 series can be pushed further on tightening timing and would love an explanation on that
Yeah, but be sure to have good binned DDR memory. It's really difficult to push certain sticks. Everything CL14 3200/3800 is highly likely to be able to get 200-600 MHz more. But with CL16 kits it's hit or miss. CL18 kits, probably you can squeeze out some performance, but you need to loosen timings so much that's probably not worth the effort. (Edit: mHz - MHz). Also, not all DIMMS listed as Samsung B-Die will be a B-die, especially for CL16+ kits (CL14 probably is B-Die, but they are really scarce and expensive now).
@@sloppyprogrammer4373 yeah defo expensive. I bought team group 8 pack ripped edition mem. 16gb £180, when I bought and are b-die guaranteed 3600 cas 14
mine runs stable at 1.265 4.5k .. that seems to be the sweet spot for me. I have a 1000 watt Platinum rated EVGA power supply (wish I had the 1200 watt one). Power supplies are one most important things for Overclocking ur CPU capabilities. ... I get r23 scores over 29k and my temps run 60 to 65 on a full load... I have both ccx's set at 4.5 and my threshold set to 40 amps.. all my games run between 25 and 45 amps that way when it goes over I consistently get that all core boost 4.5 to over 5k on the curve... 12 of my 16 cores spike over 5k My CPU Idles between 38 and 42 degrees on an NZXT cooler. (wish I had an open loop probably could get temps way lower) I just set the pbo to auto and turned on the enhancer plus gave it a 50 boost override running perfectly and passed all stress testing.. kahru. prime, occt , 30 min cr23 stress , testmem. No wheaa errors for months Im getting between 200 and 240 FPS on warzone and 240 consistently on apex. I run a AW2721d monitor on 1440p if this helps anyone. KEEP IN MIND not every processor and hardware is the same you have to really stress your voltages and speeds DO NOT COPY people it will NEVER WORK.... I REPEAT DO NOT COPY SETTINGS
My 5950X runs stable on a MSI B450 Tomahawk Max at 1.1250 volts (really - no joke) and fixed 4400 Mhz. I reach 29568 points in CR 23. With a Dark Rock 4 cooler (non pro) I never see more than 63-68 degrees. Without my undervolting the CPU was running at over 1.4 volts and I reached 90 degrees in no time. Since I convert a lot of movies to x265, stable continuous performance is simply more important to me than short-term boost Mhz records. At full load, the CPU draws 160-175 watts. In Handbrake around 130-150 watts. Without undervolting even 210-215 watts, which would have been too crass for my air cooler. I can really recommend the 5950X as a workhorse and am currently totally satisfied. Especially the change from the 2700X was awesome.
Im undervolting and using the dynamic switch at 35A sor single core boost to be active too. Getting 5.14ghz@ auto single core, and 4.2ghz@1,1v. Getting 27900-28500 r23. low 60´s allcore maxload, singlecore maxload high 80s. Happy as f with my rig and setup when compared to maxed out like this. and mine is pretty quiet too :) Got most perf from tuning bdie,
@@InSaiyan-Shinobi The method is quite similar, yes. I wouldn't go over 1.35-1.4V on the 3950X. The 5000 series uses a newer version of PBO, but you can also unlock power limits for the 3950X and have it provide better clock speeds without needing to mess around too much with voltages.
@@UnhingedSystems ok ima try to mess with it honestly I just stayed with 1.26v at 4.4 and stayed because when I tried to get 4.5or 4.6 the voltage was High at 1.4
@@InSaiyan-Shinobi When the CPU starts needing a lot of extra voltage for very little gains that's a good place to stop. The benefit beyond that point is minimal anyways.
Really great video! I just got my 5950x with x570s Aorus master, I able to overclock to 4.525Ghz with vcore 1.225v, I'm running Cinebench r20 and r23 stable with max temp 80c using 360 aio. I scored 11787 points on Cinebench r20 and 30304 points on r23. It's my first time overclocking CPU, is it a good overclock?
@@KRGraphicsCG just doing the 1st step with 5950x gets me to 100c with a custom loop and a crash, it ran hot with an aio originally too, the loops water temp is usually around 27-28c and the same for my 3090 but the cpu is always 65 idle and 80+ in load
I have my Ryzen 5 3600 overclocked to 4.5GHz, however I have to run at 1.35v. Temps still sitting at 41⁰ while gaming. Under direct load with Cinebench, I peak around 62⁰ I'm happy with the 4.5 as this was a super cheap chip. 360mm aio (H150i Capellix) seems to give a LOT of thermal headroom for a much bigger chip. I think my next upgrade will be a 5800x ☺️
That's a sweet OC! I'd recommend the 5900X over the 5800X as it has much more thermal headroom. 5800X is an awesome chip, but it runs quite hot compared to a 5900X (5800X clocks nice and high and uses the same 140W stock power limit as the 5900X and 5950X stock for stock).
Great point! I did a lot of testing with load line calibration up to level 4 with no difference in stability. My chip is sadly less capable than other chips of the same model. Doesn't matter where I up the voltages, even SoC voltage increases made no difference 😒
I would love it if you did a video on the curve optimizer in PBO. I would like to overclock my 5900x to get the best performance on all core and single core, but am not sure how to go about it.
@@UnhingedSystems it definitely is. This is my first time actually trying to overclock a cpu. The last computer I built was about 10 years ago, and I just built it to play games. Never got around to overclocking it. Haha
Good video don't get me wrong. Really good info and all that. But in short.. if you don't own a dark hero motherboard it's pretty much useless to overclock your CPU (all cores) unless it's a power house for rendering non stop. The fact that you lose the 2 core turbo boost says it all. But with the Dark Hero MB. You can have both for sure.
100% agreed. Using PBO and curve optimizer are better for a lot of use cases! My curve optimizer video is a follow-up on the topic. Thank you for the comment!
Wow your 5950x hits WAY higher numbers in cinebench compared to me. Mine only gets 30,095 at 46.25 and 1.342 V. I can't complain, though. My 6900xt clocks high, and my ram also clocks very well. Can't win em all!
Thanks for the comment! It really is a silicon lottery out there! You never know what you are going to get! That being said, stock for stock the hardware today is nothing short of amazing! What a time to be into tech!
I'm so confused by my R23 score and what im doing wrong. I have 5950X on a Crosshair VIII Hero, Curve Optimiser to -12/-25/-30, Boost Overclock +125, PPT 230 / TDC 170 / EDC 200. DDR4000 @ 3733Mhz CL15 (with FCLK of 1866Mhz), im hitting 87C @ 4.525Ghz all core with PBO, it seems im only hitting about 200-205W though. And just cant break 28500 R23 score. Is this a limit of not having a Dark motherboard?
Indeed, however, performance wise and stability wise I havent had issues on this build leaving load line calibration at default. Usually I do level 2 or 3 depending on the aggressiveness of the OC. Doesn't seem to matter with this build. Thank you for the comment!
200-240W CPU power consumption when it runs on overclocking mode between 4.3-4.6 GHz vs power consumption of 140W at default operation which is 3.4 GHz all-core clock. Honestly the performance gain vs power gain is reasonable up to about 4.4GHz and then it starts becoming more power exponentially required to maintain a stable overclock. At the highest possible OC stable I was was pulling over 280W CPU power consumption, but the heat and minimal performance gains weren't worth it for a daily driver.
That's a great question! They both work, but the AMD overclocking menu seems to override items in the other menu. For good measure I only use the AMD overclocking menu and just ignore the other one. It was an odd choice for the BIOS to contain two places to change the same settings 🧐
Out of the box with everything set to auto without changing anything it goes crazy high in temps and then crashes almost immediately when I run a game. Setting it to 1.35 volts or bellow is a must do when getting this cpu
Stock and auto these won't crash or overheat. Something is off. What cooler, motherboard are you using and what BIOS revision are you on? Some motherboards have some "Auto" settings that don't play nice and just full send the CPU with no care for caution.
For me 44 with 1.25 works for custom 1 min cinebench, but with 10min throttle test, it restarts the pc. Does it need more voltage? Maybe I should do 44 with 1.325? ( I got ryzen 5950x with iCUE H170i ELITE LCD Liquid )
Not sure exactly what I did, but I saw on HWINFO64 that I had the maximum boost of my Ryzen 9 5950x was 5175.1 Mhz on 3 different cores. It stayed for a couple of seconds and dropped back down. All the other cores max boost was 5.0.
Sounds pretty normal. They can use up to 1.5V in short bursts, but really bad for all-core all the time. Reminds me of the Galaxy Quest line "You don't hold the turbo down, it's for quick boosts!!!"
@@UnhingedSystems You know, until today and for a few years now, I had a 3950X with a poor MasterAir MA410M. I do 3D rendering (I'm an architect), but this weekend, I will upgrade my workstation to the 5950X with the Noctua NH-D15 chroma black. I know it's not the same as your water cooling, but I want to give it a try, i think that maybe i will same some boost there. In any case, I'm already satisfied with the performance of the 3950X in Vray, so perhaps I can take advantage of the temperature headroom that the 5950X provides. You were so clear in your video; thanks for that. The last time I thought about overclocking my CPU was a while ago, back then in 2010, I guess, with the I7 930 and V6 GT. have a good day!
@@marianoramirez5435 Thank you for the awesome reply! I do suggest that you use a 360mm All-In-One liquid cooler for the 5950X for best results. The NH-D15 is a great cooler, but if you plan on increasing the power limits the results will be considerably better on an AiO. Rendering loves all the power you can provide it!
@@UnhingedSystems Yeah! My next upgrade will be next year, hopefully, and there I will jump to the 7950X3D with a proper AIO. Thanks again; you were so clear with all the explanation. Saturday I will watch it again to make some tests.
I managed a manual clock of 4.6 at 1.263V (Auto) stable temps while gaming, highest I’ve seen is 75c. Not sure if I should consider that a lucky chip but pbo it’s very confusing to me when applying, it’s able to hit around 5mhz but when I boot into idle my temps are like 70c with using my gaming fan curve profile on fan control on top of constant voltage spikes. (Around 1.385-1.4 range) I know I sound dumb saying this but i legit don’t understand, I like the concept of curve optimiser but it hasn’t worked out so far until I put some time into trying again . 🤔
It is quite a shame AMD won't release even a Zen 3 + on 6nm. The power efficiency vs 7nm would be enough for a 5.2ghz all core OC using 10% less power. Throw in some vcache and they could easily have given us a CPU 30-35% faster than Zen 3. I am talking about desktop. It is likely they don't want to torpedo Zen 4s launch. So either Zen 4 will be a very small upgrade relative to waht could have been a Zen 3 + or it will be an enormous jump, as it will be on 5nm with an architecture built for Vcache.
Thank you for the comment! I fully expect Zen 4 to provide around at least a 20% uplift in performance (per core), but not all of that will be from IPC improvements. The higher clock speeds will be welcomed, especially for single-core world threaded games. Anyone who bought a 5000 series or a new 12000 series CPU from Intel CPU over the last year wont have a lot of reason or motivation to move to a new CPU over the next 3-4 years. This will be especially true for when 4K becomes the standard resolution within the next 3-5 years as next-gen GPUs are able to deliver 4K 144+ FPS in AAA titles. With faster hardware getting more expensive and in higher demand I hope developers focus on doing more to be efficient with the hardware we have already available. Un-optimized games are getting to be common place amongst new AAA releases and it is lazy due to just how powerful hardware has become. Speaking of lazy, I wonder if Star Citizen will actually ever come out finished? Haha Just my 2 cents.
@@UnhingedSystems well trying to OC had me contacting MSI, lol cause I wasn't able to get back into the BIOS lol, so I just turned on XMP and looking good ;) looking forward to running davinci resolve and seeing how fast things get done without any issues still learn a lot from you and appreciate it
Why is the boost clock all the way up to 4.9 if you can only get like 4.65 overclocking? Usually you can stably overclock past the boost clock if you have sufficient cooling.
Single-core boost hits 4.9 sustained boost one 1-2 cores at a time. That is beneficial in games where the "world thread" can benefit from the fastest core. All-core 4.9 wouldn't be possible without liquid nitrogen and an insane amount of voltage. 16-cores all running at 4.9 would likely need about 1.5+ or even 1.6+ volts that would hit over 90C and thermal throttle even on a liquid cooled setup and would definitely be drawing more than a safe amount of amps though the CPU socket. You could do it with liquid nitrogen.
You can if it is needed. I tested dozens of different overclocks with and without SoC voltage at 1.1 and there was no difference at all in performance and stability. As with all CPUs and motherboards, mileage may vary.
@@UnhingedSystems That might be but rule of thumb is to set 1.1 Soc after 3200 MHz for better stability. Also LLC (load line callibraton) to level 3 is the best option. I own Asus ROG board since the beginning from Ryzen and i can say that i know a lot about them and their behavior. Also get timings more tight or overclock your RAM to 4000 MHz could benefit performance. Im running my 5600X at 4.850 GHz and 4000 MHz RAM with CL16.
@@meppie1922 That's a rocking overclock! Agreed on all accounts for ultra-high end overclocks. I used LLC 3 on my Intel chips too. My 64GB RAM kit doesn't want to overclock a whole lot, even with extra voltage, but its solid for my workstation workloads. One of these days I'll do a pure overclock build for maximum record setting, just for fun.
@@UnhingedSystems Thnx but that is all auto on my ROG crosshair x470 hero wifi :) I was running 3800 MHz cl16 on my Ryzen 5 3600 but it can run 4000 MHz at the same timings on my 5600x so that's amazing. The reason why you want to set manual voltage is due to vdroop and or voltage overshoot. Now BIOS's are much better but back in the x370 days the BIOS was bad at everything and you get tremendous voltage overshoot with potentially kill your CPU over time. So that is why i always say don't trust he BIOS, just set manual voltage and LLC just in case and for better performance in all instances. I will upload video soon about the overclock.
@@meppie1922 Overclocking is a lot easier now that we don't have to jump pins and move jumpers isn't it? How much RAM do you have? I know overclocking RAM to be much more successful with 2 DIMMs instead of 4, and easier on 16GB over 64GB due to memory controller strain. Thoughts?
You could play more with load line and SOC for sure, but ultimately if your CPU doesn't have enough voltage for the OC it won't be stable. I've spent several months with the 5000 series overclocking, tweaking, and seeing how far it can be pushed and I haven't found load line calibration and SOC voltage increases to be overly effective or really changing the results much. If you set load line to level 3/4 and SOC add 0.1V that's about as far as you need to take that. If the CPU is thirsty for more voltage, only voltage will satiate its thirst. On my Dark Hero the load line and SOC voltage doesn't affect stability with higher overclocks at all on my 5950X and I have found the same results on the ProArt X570 with the 5900X. If I was doing some extreme overclocking with liquid nitrogen then I would get more into the other settings, but with normal cooling methods it doesn't seem to add much value. Not saying it doesn't help, just saying it isn't really significant in any of the testing I have done.
Great video! I have been looking into some OC guides again, now that my undervolt is becoming unstable after a year... What i still don't understand is the relation between pbo settings in Extreme tweaker and the ones in Advanced. I have never touched the settings in Extreme tweaker and only done them in Advanced. Won't they conflict with each other in some way? Also, what about the core performance boost setting?
@@UnhingedSystems I am a little confused what I do without the Switcher option due to Hero not Dark Hero. I set Ratio to 44 and Voltage to 1.25V, and then also enabled PBO and set it to Motherboard. I then went into Extreme Tweaker and set the Core VID to 1.250 and CCX0 Ratios both to 45.0, and at this point I realised I didnt have the Switcher. I then got 28890 in Cinebench R23. I am just not 100% sure if this is right or if I should remove some of those settings due to no Switcher. When I look in Ryzen Master, the EDC (CPU) indicator shows 100% of 200A, is that normal? CPU Power is about 183W, PPT is about 55% of 395W, TDC is 60% of 225A, Peak Speed is 4500Mhz, Temperature during benchmark sitting about 79.5C. I will go and watch the video again to try and grasp it a bit more. Oh I am on full custom cooling, All EK gear, 2x 360 rads, Monoblock, etc.
@@JB-NZ Honestly if you don't have the OC switcher I would max out the power limits and just use PBO and curve optimizer. Losing the peak single-core boost isn't worth the manual overclock in my opinion. If you set a manual overclock you effectively disable PBO and the single-core boost. The CPU will boost between 4.35-4.5 with PBO on its own assuming motherboard power limits and tweaking curve optimizer.
@@UnhingedSystems Thanks. Just confirming I understand what you mean. So you are saying I don't set 44 ratio and 1.25V at all (not just not setting the Core VID to 1.25 and the CLX0 ratios to 45.0 etc? Not 100% what those are anyway), but you think just leave everything on Auto and enable PBO? Isnt the voltage going to go quite high in this situation though? You had 3 parts to set, the Core stuff, the PBO, and then the Core VID. I did a Stock test (reset everything back to optimised defaults) and got 25187 in Multi and 1511 in Single. I then did a 44.5 ratio and 1.25V CPU Core, and enabled PBO and got 29273 Multi and 1461 Single (increased Multi but dropped lower in Single). So now I will try disabling the ratio and voltage totally, leaving those on Auto, and just enabling PBO ?
Unbeatable AMD overclocking tool : Clock Tuner Ryzen aka CTR 2.1 RC5 you can find it on Guru3d a well known website, it allows something impossible with bios or ryzen master 1) 4 separate modes singlecore(PX)/specified amount of multi core(P2)/all cores(P1)/idle(not tweakable) you cannot have that with any other method 2) it's an app designed not for 5ghz/1.4V record breaking OC but to have the best frequencies possible at the lowest voltage 3)it's the only way to have a low idle on AMD with sacrificing performance 4)you can change behavior live in your desktop like ryzen master 5) not all cores are good so it allows per CCX (group of cores) frequencies that way your good ones aren't limited by the weak ones
theorically CTR has an auto-tuning and a cpu-diagnostic but I could never get the auto tuning to work, not a problem, diagnostic works (if you cannot finish a diag run, your memory is unstable, go to the bios set it to default no xmp like 2133 or whatever and try again) diagnostics checks not the highest clocks you can have but the lowest voltages you can run at before your cpu is starved of power, it will give you recommended values that you can manually enter into the "profiles" tab, alternativels forget the tuner and diagnostic tab go directly to profiles tab and click in order calculateP1 P2 then PX the check CTR hybrid OC (it's kind of the dynamic switch the dark hero has except for everyone) this is just a base you'll have to work a little more than that, as explained above CTR is designed for efficiency not gaming or high scores
before you start doing all that, you need to reset your bios to default 00:57, for the 1st "tries" do not tweak your memory (no xmp ! memory is the no1 reason of crashes before cpu voltage) then reboot, launch CTR and try a diagnostic run, have your cooling at max speed, you'll get basic values to enter in the profiles tab you will also get scores for every cores, what I did is use those diagnostics numbers and see if games and benchmarks were working, I then activated XMP (as long as it's 3600Mhz or less you will be ok above won't be stable don't bother) I recommend setting FCLK frequency manually to half your xmp/memory frequency, for me I use 3600/1800 (similar memory than unhinged systems) I then re-ran CTR diagnostic, if it crashes but not with a lower memory frequency then it's a memory setting problem (advertised XMP and what you current cpu,motherboard and ram can do aren't the same)
once diagnostics was finishing with my memory at 3600, I simply tried raising the cpu clock values from P1 and P2 profiles while slowly raising the voltages too (+25mV) you can pretty much do whatever you want run super hot or cooler with this tool in the end I'm running this on a 5950x might not be the best but it's stable and I had enough after 300 benchmarks lol : 4900 4850 4750 (1 core) 1400 1375 1350 1350 25% (4-7 cores) 4750 4650 1250 50% (8-16 cores) 4500 4400 px mix 29451 cinebenchR23 @68°C but I've got a monster 3x360mm (1x30 2x60mm) radiators liquid cooling loop so don't expect that on air cooling
@@fredEVOIX I found one game where "stable" gets put to the test. Oddly enough Stellaris will bring to light any errors that randomly occur when cores switch between load and idle. If you can play multiplayer Stellaris for 5+ hours straight then you know your voltages aren't dropping too low at idle state.
I’m also running a 5950x and ROG Crosshair Darkhero VIII and ive been getting random reboots constantly. Bios is up to date, swapped our ram, swapped power supply etc. i think its a compadibility issue or something, Have you ran into this? Any support is greatly appreciated, I’m losing my sanity from this pc. Even with default bios settings it randomly reboots
Is that with or without the RAM overclocking profile? (DOCP/XMP). If you are getting random reboots and everything is just running default, I would start with a fresh Windows install and go from there. Typically if you have done everything else what remains is probably the issue. I have seen bad or failing drives cause issues, I have seen wireless usb keyboard/mouse dongles causing random reboots. Process of elimination with the remaining components should sniff out the issue for you. Fresh install on a fresh drive, try to remove any peripherals and slowly add them back. Random reboots on a fresh Windows install is 100% going to be a hardware issue somewhere along the lines. I personally have had no such issues with my motherboard at this time. Let me know how it goes! Hit me up on Discord. discord.gg/4rjA9P64
It will be very similar and should work for a good starting point on the 5900X. Because the 5900X has fewer cores it has a little more headroom for single-core and all-core overclocks.
Oops, I was fying my CPU with high voltages unnecesarily. Thanks for the valuable knoweledge, I foresee great growth for this great channel.
Thank you for the comment!
I just got a 5950X and enabled PBO and Ryzen master auto OC and my limit is 5150Mhz. Without touching any settings. It’s awesome .
Awesome to hear! PBO works wonders. When I first enabled it I was very impressed with AMD and the work they have done to build in the ability to easily scale up performance with good cooling.
how to enable PBO on x570 tuf gaming ? i have 5950x running on 1.40v 3.4GHz on default
Thank you sir for this information. I been fighting with the heat on my 5950x to a point I went full water. Just to have the voltage being defaulted at 1.445v....Dropped it to 1.15v and amazingly it is staying idle in the 40s now.
This channel is so under rated! Very good explanations and overall presentation on how to tackle the overclocking by yourself. I give you a big thumbs up for this video! Just got my 5950x 2 days ago and did not have much success with overclocking until I found out this video, so thanks! :)
Thank you so much for the comment! Glad you found it useful!
ditto! so much covered on how to benchmark from start to end for newbies!
Would this apply to 5900x
Yeah you can just tell this guy is smart by the way he explains all the details.
@K3shavGaming Sure is! Go into the menus and change the settings to only run one iteration instead of a full 10-minute stress test.
This was incredible! You had me running my pbo/static oc in no time. Now, given that I have some experience doing both and already had my pbo decently tuned up, I pretty much slapped what you tried into mine and Holy crap batman! Did it ever work! Time for some fine tuning, lol.
Also, this really was one of the best, in depth videos I've seen on this subject. I've looked into overclocking videos for about 2 years now and am exceedingly annoyed I haven't seen you before. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the kind words! I am glad you found it useful!
Thanks for this video, it's been very informative and has made a huge difference. I left the cpu ratio to auto and used the amd overclock,
- p boost advanced,
- pbo motherboard
Cpu boost + with max cpu 200mhz
Stats
- boosted all cores from 3400 to 4500 on cinebench
- current v core 1.138
- minimum core 1.138
- max v core of 1.250
- Average v core 1.158
- max temp of 59°
- max Watts 151.2
I reckon I could push it, further, but its rock solid. Used avidia stres test overnight and while I was at work for 19.75 hours) and didn't crash. Max temp 67°
Cinebench score 29145
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Bro, do u have dark hero withe the switch?
Can I do PBO and put the cpi volt down and get the all core static with no dynamic switch?
DOCS here 👌 1.285 v and [0]4.700 [1] 4550 , is the sweet spot for my system.
I love your video, you know not much of 5950x proper oc tutorial on TH-cam.
subscribed!!!
Thank you Ray Ray! I appreciate the kind comment!
I really appreciate the video. I have a similar setup but new to the OC world and was stumbling around like a blind man in the dark! This was so well done and so helpful and got me going in the right direction. Thank you sir!
Thanks! Valuable insight, going to apply this to my 5900X which is currently on a Gigabyte X570S board which has a dynamic OC switcher too.
Currently running 4.7GHz 5800X at 1.26875V with 4000MHz / 2000FCLK C14-16-16-30 at 1.45V G.Skill Neo with my Dark Hero X570. I also am Water Cooled and my Strix 3090 is in a Alphacool Water Block with a +220 GPU Core, +1000 Memory that hits 47C on 3D Mark, and Junction Temps at 68C. Not bad at all.
Nice! Being able to get +220 core is silicon lottery at its finest :) no matter how cool I keep my GPU it won't go above 185 stable 24/7
Tip for beginners, I learned this on years of experience: always overclock after you clean installed, disable everything you don't need for benchmarking and make sure you are 100% stable. After that, re-install windows, because you might corrupt the OS during testing and benchmarking, before setting everything as your daily driver. Don't install manufacturer bloatware, just chipset/gpu drivers and bios is enough (only if the bios is unstable, don't fix what isn't broken). I stumbled into some really weird glitches, bugs and corrupted data in the course of 10+ years, wasted a lot of time troubleshooting while the only fix was to reinstall. Thank me later, it might surprise you what a week of overclocking, benchmarking and tweaking can do to your OS.
Definitely a solid beginner tip! If you overclock your memory for example and it isn't 100% stable, but Windows runs a defragment on your main storage drive(s) the data can become corrupted!
Overclocking is pretty safe if you are doing it in small stints and properly stability testing things, I mess with my system's overclock almost weekly to test new things different hardware, but I have solid backups.
When I had Windows Millennium Edition (ME) I thought I would be smart and upgrade to 1GB of RAM from 512MB. Apparently Windows ME could only support 512MB. You could add more, and the OS would display that you had more, but it would "ghost address" the memory addresses above 512MB meaning that when my defrag ran the data was thrown into oblivion and returning nothing. My whole drive was corrupted and I lost years of photos. I was 18 or 19 at the time. Data was unrecoverable.
Maintaining regular backups can help ensure you don't lose data 👍
@@UnhingedSystems Oofff windows ME.. Yeah, I rather forget that period. Also yeah... I learned this the hard way. Luckily I have back ups, but you never know. These issues can go undetected for a long while and is usually related to unstable bios/overclock settings.
Usually overclocking is pretty safe indeed, but if you want to push extremely high bench scores (without LN2) and you push a little too hard for too long, data corruption is inevitable. Also you tend to get better scores on a total clean install with just chipset drivers and everything unnecessary disabled.
Happy tweaking, great videos.
windowz users are so miserable, they reinstalling their meta-os all the time hahaha
Had a problem similar today, I couldn't figure out what was wrong for the life if me pc what blue screening and crashing after I added more fans, I couldn't even boot in to save mode it was very confusing especially when I forgot I used my USB to load bios and forgot I was trying to boot on it😂😂 had to brake out the laptop to get the file's have every fixed now I think just cleaning the pc and reformating ssd and hard drives, before I set it up again, don't what that problem to just come back straight away
Dude you deserve more views and subscribers, I really liked your presentation, keep it up!
Thank you! I appreciate that!!
I have a 5900x and also Dark Hero, stumbled across your channel when I was researching the EKWB Monoblock for C8Hero/Dark hero. Since I will be upgrading GPU very soon I wanted to upgrade my waterloop also and wanted to upgrade to the monoblock (I have a regular Velocity block, but I got bored of the looks). Thanks, you have really good content and are an underrated channel and had a good time watching this video and the building of your pc. I only wonder, did you see actual improvements in VRM temperatures with the mono block, because I think the VRM is already so overkill that it's for most people not worth looking into it other than aesthetics (already purchased, not installed yet before I have my new GPU and blocks. Did it mainly for looks, not necessarily for gains).
Have you ran into issues with 5900x and dark hero? Im running a 5950x and dark hero and my pc randomly black screen reboots
I had a 46.50@1.356v on my 5950. Instead I am using PBO and getting an allcore of 4575-4600 while keeping boosts up to 5100.
I have 2 360mm radiators and a lot of fans in my cooling loop though.
I set each core individually, it took a long time to figure it out, quite a few weekends and about a thousand reboots, but I'm happy.
The only thing I disagree with is your ram. I would leave it stock until after your cpu overclock. Ram could cause core to be unstable. Core is king. Then after, see if xmp/docp is stable, and go from there. Ram is not as important as core.
On my CO, I have one core at -17, and the rest are -22 to -26.
Boost override best results +50 for me
PPT 270
TDC 165
EDC 230
RAM at 3600 shouldn't be causing any core instability, but RAM at 3800 or 4000 certainly could (memory controller not keeping up). Running RAM at 2333 with Ryzen 5000 would be leaving a lot of performance on the table so at the very least RAM speeds should be verified before attempting an overclock. I agree with you in that if you are getting instability that disabling the RAM overclock is a great troubleshooting step. If the CPU is drawing a lot of power it may be necessary to increase SOC voltage to stabilize (Just nothing over 1.2V). The RAM itself wouldn't be causing instability, if anything it would be insufficient voltage to the memory controller due to CPU power draw.
Out of curiosity, what is your peak CPU temperature? Thanks!
Thank you for the comment and the tips!
@@UnhingedSystems depending on the BIOS I'm on..gigabytes newest bios is horrible and is unstable at xmp...I guess we can say it varies. On the previous bios I am running 3800 14-16-15-32-48-312 next to a really good overclock.
I actually stopped forcing constant voltage and am using auto voltage with PBO+CO.
My peak is 87 when stress testing, or 84 during a typical gaming session. I have spent many hours on this, and only hit 87 in extreme circumstances. I went extreme overclocking first, then worked on the temps later. So I kind of went backwards, and it may not be the best idea for those who just want a nice steady overclock.
I am more of a...put your foot on its neck and see what it can do..type person. My gpu has a 520w unverified bios..a 3090 that averages about 2070mhz.
I wouldn't leave ram on 2133 either. Just for overclocking or troubleshooting.
I put it down to 2133 because I have tightened my timings and just like to focus on one thing at a time. Then I tried 3800 and it actually worked. I will say that having an fclk at 1900 does raise my cpu temps by about 5° peak, so this was something to consider. For me. It does not do this at 1867, but 1900 and it does. So I am approaching some sort of limit maybe.
I agree about soc. It took a long time to figure all of these things out. It's not a quick process lol
Obviously there are different/better ways to do this. I'm confident I have found a point where my cpu will never throttle, and have gotten the most out of it. Am I pushing it a bit too hard? It's very possible.
@@Cblan1224 Which 3090 are you using? I have thought of flashing my card with a higher wattage BIOS, but 3090s aren't the easiest to find replacements for right now. My 480W card tends to be around 2030-2060 MHz most of the time, but it has TONS of thermal headroom still.
@@UnhingedSystems you have a suprim? I have an msi GXT. I have tried suprim, ftw3 xoc 500w, and landed on kingpin 520w bios. With nvidia control panel on prefer maximum performance, it is at a constant 1920mhz. Evga xoc is 1800mhz. My msi was 1760something.
So there is much less variation in card speed. Ramping up and down. Its a strong performer. But the bios I'm using isn't verified. It's on techpowerup as an unverified bios. Kingpin gives these out directly, supposedly. The initial 520w bios is verified, but for the one with resizeable bar, supposedly people had to get it from kingpin. Then it likely was shared and ended up on techpowerup. Kingpin also has a 900w unlimited bios, but for some reason he can't add ReBar to that one.
Anyway, the only game that pushes 520w for me at the moment is metro exodus pc enhanced in 4k with max settings. I'm not sure why. The gpu is always at 99-100%, but some games don't go over 450w.
I should mention that I have both sides of my gpu on waterblocks. Which is essential for a 3090. Don't want the vram on the back heating up the core..or have half my vram at different temps than the other half.
@@Cblan1224 Nice! Mine is the Asus Strix OC 3090 (485W max per sensors) with an EK block and passive EK backplate. GPU hardly ever goes over 44C and the memory never goes above 60C with the max hotspot temp being around 56C. That is with a fluid temperature between 36-40C The passive backplate is more than enough for me with the right thermal pads used all around the card. Factory thermal pads and EK thermal pads are sub-par. I have a 3090 FE still in the box bit I plan to swap out every thermal pads and thermal compound to see how it actually performs. I'll be using it at stock clocks for a rendering/workstation/streaming server.
If want fast BSOD´s for overclock tests, use the game called: Road redemption , it´s very sensitive to instabilities on pc, and you can found very fast the exactly vcore what you need. About degradation i see different reports about, including with 1.18v in 4 years as well a i7 2600k working at 1.41 for 9 years without any degradation.
Wow, this is no longer an enigma for me! So glad I found your video. I used AI Suite 3 to do an automated overclock now its stuck at 4ghz so I figured Id learn what all this is about and you came through! I leaned a multi core overclock will lock the frequency. I planned to put it back to do the automated boost overclocking but armed with your knowledge I may just get squirly!
I can’t believe more people haven’t seen and liked this. Very informative, well demonstrated and educational. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the support! I appreciate it!
Great info. I don't know much about over clocking so it is good seeing videos like this.
Put 45,5GHz on better half and 44,5GHz lesser half of die at "CPU CORE RATIO (PER CCX)" and find a good voltage for your setup. I found it most stable like that
Yes! On the 5900x/5950x the FIRST CCX is almost always more highly-binned. The SECOND CCX seems to run around 100-150MHz lower at any given voltage
O my this video was AMAZING 😮 I loved the way u explained everything I feel like I wanted to learn like u had me hooked and taught me so much in just this video I have a 5950x and it's doing wonderful u earned urself a sub that's for sure thank you so much
Thank you kindly! New videos coming soon!
I've been able to keep my 5900x@4.4Ghz 1.2V for almost half a year now! I could get aome higher clocks, 4.5, however I used various programs to test thermals and Blender's OpenData renders pushed it past 90C so, 4.4Ghz it is 😂
Solid! The 5900X is an awesome chip. I'm starting another build series shortly that will make use of it.
Well explained, thanks for the detailed walkthrough
Thank you for the comment!
I get a little over 30,000 with my r9 5950x stock. My best oc where temps were still ok enough was 4.725Ghz @1.34-1.35 (in between there just don't remember the exact) and I got around 35,000 on r23.
Static all core ratio and voltage is not worth doing at all IMO, unless you only care about Cinebench score. It's gonna be slower in lightly threaded applications, i.e. gaming. Memory tuning is worth spending time on if you want to tinker, otherwise just enable XMP, PBO + max out Auto OC and call it done. Spending more time after that is chasing single digit percentage points. On one hand it's great that you can get basically max performance with little effort, on the other hand traditional overclocking is kinda dead, or at least dying.
I totally agree that you are better off utilizing PBO and just enabling higher power limits within your cooling capacity. That being said, I don't think overclocking is dead, it's just transitioning to more of a "if you have a great cooling solution you can get 15-20% more performance out of your CPU". Between PBO and curve optimizer you can get some really great improvements over stock. Maybe some day the CPU will be tuned so well from factory that manual options won't provide any benefit at all. That would be less fun though 😉
@@UnhingedSystems Yea I guess I'm just thinking of the way it is now vs what I consider the golden era of overclocking. Chips like Celeron 300A that could usually overclock by 50% without much effort, the Athlon XP 2500+ which was trivial to get 20% and usually more, Pentium 4's that could do 100% overclocks. These days it doesn't really seem worth it because it's a lot more effort for a lot less gains.
@@JKHYT Good 'ol FSB overclocking, those were the golden days. Loved my old 2.8HT Socket 478 that would push 3.4GHz
the best overclocking i seen thats best for ryzen 5000 series is just using PBO with curve optimizer
Agreed, that is typically the best overall result, PBO is very good on its own. If doing a lot of CPU intensive workloads it would potentially be more efficient to use an all-core overclock.
@@UnhingedSystems yea it would in certain ways. However I found out during gaming even with pbo and curve optimizer the cpu is only drawing about 70 to 80 watts of power which my cpu is the 5800x. And I'm pretty sure if the cpu is running at 80 to 100% it would draw over 100 watts. I also noticed ryzen on 3000 and 5000 series run better on more voltage on auto. but not static voltage.
@@maker7901 indeed, the 5800X will draw 147-180W depending on the settings 👍
Anyone following this video just use ryzen master and apply changes that way until you find your sweet spot. Going back and forth to the bios isn’t necessary until youve found the right clock and voltage for you.
Also a good method. I have a number of other OC videos coming up that will touch on different methods and approaches. It would be easy to do a 2HR video on all the ways and approaches, tools, etc, but no one would want to watch that 🧐
Thk you
Best oc video, would've saved me so much research and being misguided if I came across it earlier.
Dont think my asrock b450 pro4 has that switcher as its a miracle I got the pbo2 working with it + above 4g decoding and resizable BAR too, blessed be bios updates. Saved 1000€ just pushing my 2018 builded pc to its am4 limits instead of building a new pc for am5.
Went from stock bios version with 2700x to latest bios version that gave support to my 4070 ti super and 5950x!
It was a long road, and it seems I could still min max it with ryzen master + the undervolt per core. But I will live with my -10 allcore. Wondering if the max cpu clock overdrive setting is worth to test but you said too ya had some issues with it not working well? Tempted to try it though as my boosted clock doesnt quite reach 5000, with eco mode it did but it was unstable + killed the multicore performance. But 100MHz wont make a noticable difference anyway so prob will try to move away from min maxing and just enjoy what I currently have except if you have some more wisdom to share on the topic.
@@CoKeHQ1Thank you for your kind comments! I think moving away from min/maxing is a noble thing to do. It really isn't worth all of the headaches for a 1-2% gain. I'm more interested in building a liquid cooling loop that allows the system to run completely silent (and to eliminate coil whine entirely on the GPU, or at least isolate the noise extremely well).
Also! I've got a podcast (which is why noise isolation is important to me!): Basement Faults and Catapults on Audible, Spotify, Apple etc. where we play random genres of games and have a bunch of fun doing it!
New YT video dropping within 2 weeks as well, and getting back to a regular schedule!
Thanks for stopping by!
@@UnhingedSystems appreciate the fast reply, on top of it you took the time + put though into it. Makes me feel heard and that is rare for one who likes to write long texts (which few then read which I understand)
That aside, I am really perfectionistic and I pay attention to small details really easily which has its perk in more creative and detailed things like art. But with PC stuff that can be maddening when you really easily notice game micro stutters, off sounds your pc makes, or the fluctuating sound pc fans make if you use curves to control fan speed. This led me to finding the sweet spot where temps are good and I almost cant hear the pc and just making those rpms be flat with really small rpm boost between load temps 70-85, and if it gets to 90c then the fans will go apeshit but for now, havent heard them do that once so am done with tracking n will just enjoy peace n quiet.
Though gpu coil whine is pretty bad on my gpu, gave it a small undervolt and limited the fps but its still real audible if I dont have headphones on with some sounds especially now that the fans run quiet.
But it could be worse and the pitch is low now thanks to those adjustments I made so it doesnt push through my headphones.
Next pc build I make I will prioritize getting a quiet case that damps coil whines, hopefully still with decent airflow.
Thank you so much! Excellent video and this was very helpful
Thank you for the comment! I'll be doing another OC video for the 5900X in a few weeks!
Great info. Thanks so much for your efforts and sharing.
My pleasure! Thanks for watching! I'm having a bit of a creators block, so the encouragement goes a long way!
@@UnhingedSystems I totally understand your current predicament having once been a technical content creator and educator, but I am confident with new technology on the horizon, you will soon be back in the swing of things and helping the rest of us muddle through. Take care and all the best.
It's sad my motherboard doesn't have Variable switch
I have overkill setup but my motherboard is AM4 X570 ProArt so I can't have single boost and all core boost at same time
Keep in mind that just passing Cinebench run and having actually stable oveclock is a far cry...
Very true! It is very challenging to fit a lot of information into a video without it being an hour long 🙂
I'll be showing a whole gamut of tools in a 5900X video in January. OCCT is actually one of my favorites for CPU error detection. Cinebench is a nice light workload for a CPU, if it can't at least pass that then it's an instant fail. The real test is AVX2 instructions and heavy workloads. I'll also be explaining the whole 5GHz peak and why it doesn't mean much as sustained boost clocks are far more important!
Thank you for the comment!
Really nice and super great at explaining! Would you be covering some RAM overclocking as well on the 5950x? I've seen that the 5000 series can be pushed further on tightening timing and would love an explanation on that
Yeah, but be sure to have good binned DDR memory. It's really difficult to push certain sticks. Everything CL14 3200/3800 is highly likely to be able to get 200-600 MHz more. But with CL16 kits it's hit or miss. CL18 kits, probably you can squeeze out some performance, but you need to loosen timings so much that's probably not worth the effort. (Edit: mHz - MHz). Also, not all DIMMS listed as Samsung B-Die will be a B-die, especially for CL16+ kits (CL14 probably is B-Die, but they are really scarce and expensive now).
@@sloppyprogrammer4373 yeah defo expensive. I bought team group 8 pack ripped edition mem. 16gb £180, when I bought and are b-die guaranteed 3600 cas 14
mine runs stable at 1.265 4.5k .. that seems to be the sweet spot for me. I have a 1000 watt Platinum rated EVGA power supply (wish I had the 1200 watt one). Power supplies are one most important things for Overclocking ur CPU capabilities. ... I get r23 scores over 29k and my temps run 60 to 65 on a full load...
I have both ccx's set at 4.5 and my threshold set to 40 amps.. all my games run between 25 and 45 amps that way when it goes over I consistently get that all core boost 4.5 to over 5k on the curve... 12 of my 16 cores spike over 5k My CPU Idles between 38 and 42 degrees on an NZXT cooler. (wish I had an open loop probably could get temps way lower)
I just set the pbo to auto and turned on the enhancer plus gave it a 50 boost override running perfectly and passed all stress testing.. kahru. prime, occt , 30 min cr23 stress , testmem. No wheaa errors for months
Im getting between 200 and 240 FPS on warzone and 240 consistently on apex. I run a AW2721d monitor on 1440p if this helps anyone.
KEEP IN MIND not every processor and hardware is the same you have to really stress your voltages and speeds DO NOT COPY people it will NEVER WORK.... I REPEAT DO NOT COPY SETTINGS
My 5950X runs stable on a MSI B450 Tomahawk Max at 1.1250 volts (really - no joke) and fixed 4400 Mhz. I reach 29568 points in CR 23. With a Dark Rock 4 cooler (non pro) I never see more than 63-68 degrees. Without my undervolting the CPU was running at over 1.4 volts and I reached 90 degrees in no time. Since I convert a lot of movies to x265, stable continuous performance is simply more important to me than short-term boost Mhz records. At full load, the CPU draws 160-175 watts. In Handbrake around 130-150 watts. Without undervolting even 210-215 watts, which would have been too crass for my air cooler. I can really recommend the 5950X as a workhorse and am currently totally satisfied. Especially the change from the 2700X was awesome.
Thanks for this video, really useful!
Thank you! Glad you found it useful!
Subscribed Sir.. I can understand you. dude keep this up.. you have a Future.
Thank you! I appreciate the kind comment!
the problem of the ryzen 5000 is that only the first ccd reaches the frequency of 4.7 GHz you have to set two separate frequencies
more people need to know this, there are two, and we're only OCing one, the weakest
Im undervolting and using the dynamic switch at 35A sor single core boost to be active too. Getting 5.14ghz@ auto single core, and 4.2ghz@1,1v. Getting 27900-28500 r23. low 60´s allcore maxload, singlecore maxload high 80s.
Happy as f with my rig and setup when compared to maxed out like this. and mine is pretty quiet too :)
Got most perf from tuning bdie,
holy shit this video made learn way more then most videos for real bro great video definitely subbed
Thank you for the awesome comment and the sub! Glad you got something out of the video!
@@UnhingedSystems just one question can i follow this method if i have a 3950x?
@@InSaiyan-Shinobi The method is quite similar, yes. I wouldn't go over 1.35-1.4V on the 3950X. The 5000 series uses a newer version of PBO, but you can also unlock power limits for the 3950X and have it provide better clock speeds without needing to mess around too much with voltages.
@@UnhingedSystems ok ima try to mess with it honestly I just stayed with 1.26v at 4.4 and stayed because when I tried to get 4.5or 4.6 the voltage was
High at 1.4
@@InSaiyan-Shinobi When the CPU starts needing a lot of extra voltage for very little gains that's a good place to stop. The benefit beyond that point is minimal anyways.
Really great video! I just got my 5950x with x570s Aorus master, I able to overclock to 4.525Ghz with vcore 1.225v, I'm running Cinebench r20 and r23 stable with max temp 80c using 360 aio. I scored 11787 points on Cinebench r20 and 30304 points on r23. It's my first time overclocking CPU, is it a good overclock?
This looks pretty good. I'm aiming to do this with the 5950X on an Asus Crosshair hero VIII
@@KRGraphicsCG just doing the 1st step with 5950x gets me to 100c with a custom loop and a crash, it ran hot with an aio originally too, the loops water temp is usually around 27-28c and the same for my 3090 but the cpu is always 65 idle and 80+ in load
@@juansnow5897 yikes. I'm going to be using air cooling so I best be careful
Best video I've found going into depth both all core and pbo, thank you for the knowledge.
My pleasure, thank you for watching! More OC tips and videos to come!
I have my Ryzen 5 3600 overclocked to 4.5GHz, however I have to run at 1.35v. Temps still sitting at 41⁰ while gaming. Under direct load with Cinebench, I peak around 62⁰
I'm happy with the 4.5 as this was a super cheap chip. 360mm aio (H150i Capellix) seems to give a LOT of thermal headroom for a much bigger chip. I think my next upgrade will be a 5800x ☺️
That's a sweet OC! I'd recommend the 5900X over the 5800X as it has much more thermal headroom. 5800X is an awesome chip, but it runs quite hot compared to a 5900X (5800X clocks nice and high and uses the same 140W stock power limit as the 5900X and 5950X stock for stock).
Damn, I only got to 4.2570 or something at 1.28v I think?
You could have made it farther with less voltage with an increase of Load Line Voltage. Anytime you crash Immediately, Its the spike thats killing it.
Great point! I did a lot of testing with load line calibration up to level 4 with no difference in stability. My chip is sadly less capable than other chips of the same model. Doesn't matter where I up the voltages, even SoC voltage increases made no difference 😒
I prefer 4.4 and 1.35.. This is my daily use on my Ryzen
i basicly copy / pasta your build, the dark hero board comes in at the end of this month
Excellent video, have 30k scores and running cool/stable once again
Thank you for this!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
I would love it if you did a video on the curve optimizer in PBO. I would like to overclock my 5900x to get the best performance on all core and single core, but am not sure how to go about it.
Will do, gimme a couple weeks! Overclocking is a cool topic!
@@UnhingedSystems it definitely is. This is my first time actually trying to overclock a cpu. The last computer I built was about 10 years ago, and I just built it to play games. Never got around to overclocking it. Haha
Good video don't get me wrong. Really good info and all that. But in short.. if you don't own a dark hero motherboard it's pretty much useless to overclock your CPU (all cores) unless it's a power house for rendering non stop. The fact that you lose the 2 core turbo boost says it all. But with the Dark Hero MB. You can have both for sure.
100% agreed. Using PBO and curve optimizer are better for a lot of use cases! My curve optimizer video is a follow-up on the topic. Thank you for the comment!
Wow your 5950x hits WAY higher numbers in cinebench compared to me. Mine only gets 30,095 at 46.25 and 1.342 V. I can't complain, though. My 6900xt clocks high, and my ram also clocks very well. Can't win em all!
Thanks for the comment! It really is a silicon lottery out there! You never know what you are going to get! That being said, stock for stock the hardware today is nothing short of amazing! What a time to be into tech!
I'm so confused by my R23 score and what im doing wrong. I have 5950X on a Crosshair VIII Hero, Curve Optimiser to -12/-25/-30, Boost Overclock +125, PPT 230 / TDC 170 / EDC 200. DDR4000 @ 3733Mhz CL15 (with FCLK of 1866Mhz), im hitting 87C @ 4.525Ghz all core with PBO, it seems im only hitting about 200-205W though. And just cant break 28500 R23 score. Is this a limit of not having a Dark motherboard?
Loadline Calibration prevents your vdrop. Your actual volts were way under 1.4 due vdrop.
Indeed, however, performance wise and stability wise I havent had issues on this build leaving load line calibration at default. Usually I do level 2 or 3 depending on the aggressiveness of the OC. Doesn't seem to matter with this build.
Thank you for the comment!
I have golden sample by usmus software. I can run at same board 4650 MHz at 1.2V ♥️
thank you !! great video ❤️
Thank you for the kind words!
great video, thanks!
Thank you for watching!
i like this one thanks alot this how you explain and teach everyone for starter or beginners
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Well done this is a great video
Thank you!
Is it safe overclocking the same cpu and Asus rog strix x570 E-gaming mobo?
Indeed!
Good job. I wish you specified power consumption when using dynamic oc.
200-240W CPU power consumption when it runs on overclocking mode between 4.3-4.6 GHz vs power consumption of 140W at default operation which is 3.4 GHz all-core clock.
Honestly the performance gain vs power gain is reasonable up to about 4.4GHz and then it starts becoming more power exponentially required to maintain a stable overclock.
At the highest possible OC stable I was was pulling over 280W CPU power consumption, but the heat and minimal performance gains weren't worth it for a daily driver.
What's the difference between both PBO menus? It's duplicated and I'm not quite sure the link between both. Thanks in advance 🙏
That's a great question! They both work, but the AMD overclocking menu seems to override items in the other menu. For good measure I only use the AMD overclocking menu and just ignore the other one. It was an odd choice for the BIOS to contain two places to change the same settings 🧐
Whooaaa, thanks. I was wondering how nice would it be if there is automatic switch for OC settings.
Out of the box with everything set to auto without changing anything it goes crazy high in temps and then crashes almost immediately when I run a game. Setting it to 1.35 volts or bellow is a must do when getting this cpu
Stock and auto these won't crash or overheat. Something is off. What cooler, motherboard are you using and what BIOS revision are you on?
Some motherboards have some "Auto" settings that don't play nice and just full send the CPU with no care for caution.
Really love the way you've presented the knowledge, results, and process you went through. A+
Thank you! That means a lot! Glad you liked it!
For me 44 with 1.25 works for custom 1 min cinebench, but with 10min throttle test, it restarts the pc. Does it need more voltage? Maybe I should do 44 with 1.325? ( I got ryzen 5950x with iCUE H170i ELITE LCD Liquid )
You can do all this with Hydra now, except you can have 1-N thread profiles and custom app profiles.
I'll be giving Hydra a try. 1usmus can do some pretty cool things, but I trust the AMD engineers know what they are doing even more.
Not sure exactly what I did, but I saw on HWINFO64 that I had the maximum boost of my Ryzen 9 5950x was 5175.1 Mhz on 3 different cores. It stayed for a couple of seconds and dropped back down. All the other cores max boost was 5.0.
Biggest problem with non PBO, aka manual OC, is once you met AVX/AVX2 workloads after assuming CB stable is stable, you'll fry yourself.
My 5950X on its own pushes 1.45 Volts. This is just letting the CPU just do its own thing.
Sounds pretty normal. They can use up to 1.5V in short bursts, but really bad for all-core all the time.
Reminds me of the Galaxy Quest line "You don't hold the turbo down, it's for quick boosts!!!"
I got an golden Sample and my cpu does 8 cores @4,8 ghz and the other 8 @ 4,675 ghz on 1,375V
thanks!
Thank you!
@@UnhingedSystems You know, until today and for a few years now, I had a 3950X with a poor MasterAir MA410M. I do 3D rendering (I'm an architect), but this weekend, I will upgrade my workstation to the 5950X with the Noctua NH-D15 chroma black. I know it's not the same as your water cooling, but I want to give it a try, i think that maybe i will same some boost there. In any case, I'm already satisfied with the performance of the 3950X in Vray, so perhaps I can take advantage of the temperature headroom that the 5950X provides. You were so clear in your video; thanks for that. The last time I thought about overclocking my CPU was a while ago, back then in 2010, I guess, with the I7 930 and V6 GT. have a good day!
@@marianoramirez5435 Thank you for the awesome reply! I do suggest that you use a 360mm All-In-One liquid cooler for the 5950X for best results. The NH-D15 is a great cooler, but if you plan on increasing the power limits the results will be considerably better on an AiO. Rendering loves all the power you can provide it!
@@UnhingedSystems Yeah! My next upgrade will be next year, hopefully, and there I will jump to the 7950X3D with a proper AIO. Thanks again; you were so clear with all the explanation. Saturday I will watch it again to make some tests.
I managed a manual clock of 4.6 at 1.263V (Auto) stable temps while gaming, highest I’ve seen is 75c. Not sure if I should consider that a lucky chip but pbo it’s very confusing to me when applying, it’s able to hit around 5mhz but when I boot into idle my temps are like 70c with using my gaming fan curve profile on fan control on top of constant voltage spikes. (Around 1.385-1.4 range)
I know I sound dumb saying this but i legit don’t understand, I like the concept of curve optimiser but it hasn’t worked out so far until I put some time into trying again . 🤔
I was searching for good videos on pbo and this one is definitely far more superior than any other I've seen, thx for the help!
It is quite a shame AMD won't release even a Zen 3 + on 6nm. The power efficiency vs 7nm would be enough for a 5.2ghz all core OC using 10% less power. Throw in some vcache and they could easily have given us a CPU 30-35% faster than Zen 3. I am talking about desktop. It is likely they don't want to torpedo Zen 4s launch. So either Zen 4 will be a very small upgrade relative to waht could have been a Zen 3 + or it will be an enormous jump, as it will be on 5nm with an architecture built for Vcache.
Thank you for the comment!
I fully expect Zen 4 to provide around at least a 20% uplift in performance (per core), but not all of that will be from IPC improvements. The higher clock speeds will be welcomed, especially for single-core world threaded games.
Anyone who bought a 5000 series or a new 12000 series CPU from Intel CPU over the last year wont have a lot of reason or motivation to move to a new CPU over the next 3-4 years. This will be especially true for when 4K becomes the standard resolution within the next 3-5 years as next-gen GPUs are able to deliver 4K 144+ FPS in AAA titles.
With faster hardware getting more expensive and in higher demand I hope developers focus on doing more to be efficient with the hardware we have already available. Un-optimized games are getting to be common place amongst new AAA releases and it is lazy due to just how powerful hardware has become.
Speaking of lazy, I wonder if Star Citizen will actually ever come out finished? Haha
Just my 2 cents.
@@UnhingedSystems 100%, I can't wait for 4K 480hz monitors in a few years.
It took way too long to find a decent video on this.
Agreed! That's why I decided to just do one myself 😜
Thanks for the comment!
how do you know if you have a motherboard strong enough that you should choose motherboard as the PBO limit instead of disable???
great video !
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Intressant. I dont see any cpu core voltage on my motherboard. But everything else is same as yours
Not only do your videos have the perfect amount of depth but you also seem to be a cat person. That gives you extra credit :D
Great video mate really helpful 👍. I have a 5950x and with your video got 4.6 at 1.28v stable. With that voltage would this be fine to run as a daily.
Thank you for the comment! That voltage is fine for daily use. No issues there!
@@UnhingedSystems great thats good to know 👍
Only thing is you didn't mention where you had load line etc and other settings explained . Ma be in a earlier video I didn't see. But nicely done man
Hey there, first thanks for the informative video :) now I want to ask, I managed to run 4,7 GHz at 1.328 volts, is it safe enough ? Thanks :)
Should be all good 👍 Just keep it well cooled 😎
you should try project hydra, I have my R7 5800X - 4.45Ghz @1175mV
I just bought and upgraded from 3950 to the 5950
How are you liking the upgrade so far?
@@UnhingedSystems well trying to OC had me contacting MSI, lol cause I wasn't able to get back into the BIOS lol, so I just turned on XMP and looking good ;)
looking forward to running davinci resolve and seeing how fast things get done without any issues
still learn a lot from you and appreciate it
Really good vid ;)
Thank you! I appreciate this 😊
Where you read that 62C? QLED? That's 11C lower than die temp, so 79 is limit not 90.
Why is the boost clock all the way up to 4.9 if you can only get like 4.65 overclocking? Usually you can stably overclock past the boost clock if you have sufficient cooling.
Single-core boost hits 4.9 sustained boost one 1-2 cores at a time. That is beneficial in games where the "world thread" can benefit from the fastest core.
All-core 4.9 wouldn't be possible without liquid nitrogen and an insane amount of voltage. 16-cores all running at 4.9 would likely need about 1.5+ or even 1.6+ volts that would hit over 90C and thermal throttle even on a liquid cooled setup and would definitely be drawing more than a safe amount of amps though the CPU socket.
You could do it with liquid nitrogen.
@@UnhingedSystems
Ahhh, gotcha.
my 5600 is doing 4,8ghz rock solid at 1.375v.
Solid!!!
You should also check your Digi+ setting in bios and upper your soc voltage to 1.1
You can if it is needed. I tested dozens of different overclocks with and without SoC voltage at 1.1 and there was no difference at all in performance and stability. As with all CPUs and motherboards, mileage may vary.
@@UnhingedSystems That might be but rule of thumb is to set 1.1 Soc after 3200 MHz for better stability. Also LLC (load line callibraton) to level 3 is the best option. I own Asus ROG board since the beginning from Ryzen and i can say that i know a lot about them and their behavior. Also get timings more tight or overclock your RAM to 4000 MHz could benefit performance. Im running my 5600X at 4.850 GHz and 4000 MHz RAM with CL16.
@@meppie1922 That's a rocking overclock! Agreed on all accounts for ultra-high end overclocks. I used LLC 3 on my Intel chips too.
My 64GB RAM kit doesn't want to overclock a whole lot, even with extra voltage, but its solid for my workstation workloads.
One of these days I'll do a pure overclock build for maximum record setting, just for fun.
@@UnhingedSystems Thnx but that is all auto on my ROG crosshair x470 hero wifi :) I was running 3800 MHz cl16 on my Ryzen 5 3600 but it can run 4000 MHz at the same timings on my 5600x so that's amazing. The reason why you want to set manual voltage is due to vdroop and or voltage overshoot. Now BIOS's are much better but back in the x370 days the BIOS was bad at everything and you get tremendous voltage overshoot with potentially kill your CPU over time. So that is why i always say don't trust he BIOS, just set manual voltage and LLC just in case and for better performance in all instances. I will upload video soon about the overclock.
@@meppie1922 Overclocking is a lot easier now that we don't have to jump pins and move jumpers isn't it?
How much RAM do you have? I know overclocking RAM to be much more successful with 2 DIMMs instead of 4, and easier on 16GB over 64GB due to memory controller strain.
Thoughts?
The best video so good explained thx
well done, subd.
Thanks for the sub!
Instead of adding more voltages. could you not go into digi power and tune load line calibrations and SOC voltages?
You could play more with load line and SOC for sure, but ultimately if your CPU doesn't have enough voltage for the OC it won't be stable. I've spent several months with the 5000 series overclocking, tweaking, and seeing how far it can be pushed and I haven't found load line calibration and SOC voltage increases to be overly effective or really changing the results much. If you set load line to level 3/4 and SOC add 0.1V that's about as far as you need to take that. If the CPU is thirsty for more voltage, only voltage will satiate its thirst. On my Dark Hero the load line and SOC voltage doesn't affect stability with higher overclocks at all on my 5950X and I have found the same results on the ProArt X570 with the 5900X. If I was doing some extreme overclocking with liquid nitrogen then I would get more into the other settings, but with normal cooling methods it doesn't seem to add much value. Not saying it doesn't help, just saying it isn't really significant in any of the testing I have done.
@@UnhingedSystems ok cool man thanks. I am trying to get my 5900x to 4.750 or 4.8 today. with PBO I can hit 5.2 sometimes.
Great video! I have been looking into some OC guides again, now that my undervolt is becoming unstable after a year...
What i still don't understand is the relation between pbo settings in Extreme tweaker and the ones in Advanced.
I have never touched the settings in Extreme tweaker and only done them in Advanced. Won't they conflict with each other in some way?
Also, what about the core performance boost setting?
This is brilliant, I learnt so much more than all other videos I have watched, combined. Thank you for making this!
My pleasure! Thank you for watching!
@@UnhingedSystems I have 5950x and Crosshair viii hero, not the dark hero like you. Annoyed as I have no switcher option like you.
@@UnhingedSystems I am a little confused what I do without the Switcher option due to Hero not Dark Hero. I set Ratio to 44 and Voltage to 1.25V, and then also enabled PBO and set it to Motherboard. I then went into Extreme Tweaker and set the Core VID to 1.250 and CCX0 Ratios both to 45.0, and at this point I realised I didnt have the Switcher. I then got 28890 in Cinebench R23. I am just not 100% sure if this is right or if I should remove some of those settings due to no Switcher. When I look in Ryzen Master, the EDC (CPU) indicator shows 100% of 200A, is that normal? CPU Power is about 183W, PPT is about 55% of 395W, TDC is 60% of 225A, Peak Speed is 4500Mhz, Temperature during benchmark sitting about 79.5C. I will go and watch the video again to try and grasp it a bit more. Oh I am on full custom cooling, All EK gear, 2x 360 rads, Monoblock, etc.
@@JB-NZ Honestly if you don't have the OC switcher I would max out the power limits and just use PBO and curve optimizer. Losing the peak single-core boost isn't worth the manual overclock in my opinion. If you set a manual overclock you effectively disable PBO and the single-core boost. The CPU will boost between 4.35-4.5 with PBO on its own assuming motherboard power limits and tweaking curve optimizer.
@@UnhingedSystems Thanks. Just confirming I understand what you mean. So you are saying I don't set 44 ratio and 1.25V at all (not just not setting the Core VID to 1.25 and the CLX0 ratios to 45.0 etc? Not 100% what those are anyway), but you think just leave everything on Auto and enable PBO? Isnt the voltage going to go quite high in this situation though? You had 3 parts to set, the Core stuff, the PBO, and then the Core VID.
I did a Stock test (reset everything back to optimised defaults) and got 25187 in Multi and 1511 in Single. I then did a 44.5 ratio and 1.25V CPU Core, and enabled PBO and got 29273 Multi and 1461 Single (increased Multi but dropped lower in Single).
So now I will try disabling the ratio and voltage totally, leaving those on Auto, and just enabling PBO ?
I have the exact same cpu and motherboard. Would I be able to just apply your best settings you found in this video to my build? 😁
Unbeatable AMD overclocking tool : Clock Tuner Ryzen aka CTR 2.1 RC5 you can find it on Guru3d a well known website, it allows something impossible with bios or ryzen master 1) 4 separate modes singlecore(PX)/specified amount of multi core(P2)/all cores(P1)/idle(not tweakable) you cannot have that with any other method 2) it's an app designed not for 5ghz/1.4V record breaking OC but to have the best frequencies possible at the lowest voltage 3)it's the only way to have a low idle on AMD with sacrificing performance 4)you can change behavior live in your desktop like ryzen master 5) not all cores are good so it allows per CCX (group of cores) frequencies that way your good ones aren't limited by the weak ones
theorically CTR has an auto-tuning and a cpu-diagnostic but I could never get the auto tuning to work, not a problem, diagnostic works (if you cannot finish a diag run, your memory is unstable, go to the bios set it to default no xmp like 2133 or whatever and try again) diagnostics checks not the highest clocks you can have but the lowest voltages you can run at before your cpu is starved of power, it will give you recommended values that you can manually enter into the "profiles" tab, alternativels forget the tuner and diagnostic tab go directly to profiles tab and click in order calculateP1 P2 then PX the check CTR hybrid OC (it's kind of the dynamic switch the dark hero has except for everyone) this is just a base you'll have to work a little more than that, as explained above CTR is designed for efficiency not gaming or high scores
before you start doing all that, you need to reset your bios to default 00:57, for the 1st "tries" do not tweak your memory (no xmp ! memory is the no1 reason of crashes before cpu voltage) then reboot, launch CTR and try a diagnostic run, have your cooling at max speed, you'll get basic values to enter in the profiles tab you will also get scores for every cores, what I did is use those diagnostics numbers and see if games and benchmarks were working, I then activated XMP (as long as it's 3600Mhz or less you will be ok above won't be stable don't bother) I recommend setting FCLK frequency manually to half your xmp/memory frequency, for me I use 3600/1800 (similar memory than unhinged systems) I then re-ran CTR diagnostic, if it crashes but not with a lower memory frequency then it's a memory setting problem (advertised XMP and what you current cpu,motherboard and ram can do aren't the same)
once diagnostics was finishing with my memory at 3600, I simply tried raising the cpu clock values from P1 and P2 profiles while slowly raising the voltages too (+25mV) you can pretty much do whatever you want run super hot or cooler with this tool in the end I'm running this on a 5950x might not be the best but it's stable and I had enough after 300 benchmarks lol :
4900 4850 4750 (1 core)
1400 1375 1350
1350 25% (4-7 cores)
4750
4650
1250 50% (8-16 cores)
4500
4400
px mix
29451 cinebenchR23 @68°C but I've got a monster 3x360mm (1x30 2x60mm) radiators liquid cooling loop so don't expect that on air cooling
I definitely do not recommend CTR for a beginner, great for the power user though! I'll do a CTR video soon!
@@fredEVOIX I found one game where "stable" gets put to the test. Oddly enough Stellaris will bring to light any errors that randomly occur when cores switch between load and idle. If you can play multiplayer Stellaris for 5+ hours straight then you know your voltages aren't dropping too low at idle state.
I’m also running a 5950x and ROG Crosshair Darkhero VIII and ive been getting random reboots constantly. Bios is up to date, swapped our ram, swapped power supply etc. i think its a compadibility issue or something, Have you ran into this? Any support is greatly appreciated, I’m losing my sanity from this pc. Even with default bios settings it randomly reboots
Is that with or without the RAM overclocking profile? (DOCP/XMP).
If you are getting random reboots and everything is just running default, I would start with a fresh Windows install and go from there. Typically if you have done everything else what remains is probably the issue. I have seen bad or failing drives cause issues, I have seen wireless usb keyboard/mouse dongles causing random reboots. Process of elimination with the remaining components should sniff out the issue for you. Fresh install on a fresh drive, try to remove any peripherals and slowly add them back.
Random reboots on a fresh Windows install is 100% going to be a hardware issue somewhere along the lines. I personally have had no such issues with my motherboard at this time.
Let me know how it goes!
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awesome video and appreciate the detailed explanation of your entire process.
Thank you for watching!
Could I use your same settings on the same motherboard but just for the 5900x or would some tweaking be neccessary?
It will be very similar and should work for a good starting point on the 5900X. Because the 5900X has fewer cores it has a little more headroom for single-core and all-core overclocks.
I just want to over clock it slightly to take advantage of my large photoshop files. For some reason, my PC crashes when I try to overclock the ram
RAM is finicky. Are you just trying to enable the XMP/DOCP profiles or are you trying to do a manual overclock?