The "A man dies when he is forgotten" quote is relevant yet again. The wrong way to die is to be forgotten which is why Kaido is upset about Rock's death. Your version of why Kaido might have wanted to eat the Fish-Fish Fruit is amazing. I can picture Kaido eating the fruit and then struggling to transform and then eventually transforming to some pathetic fish creature. Then after trying to save Xebec he refuses and drowns while Kaido is crying and begging him to stay alive. On an unrelated note, I was rewatching Punk Hazard recently and noticed that Law told Smoker that there were things you couldn't see unless you change your standing. That's the exact same thing Aoikiji told Smoker later on during that arc. That made me think of your Law is part of Sword theory. I think when it comes to Aoikiji it's pretty much a consensus now that he is also part of Sword.
Rocks died to save his ally and that ally was young Kaido. Probably same as the momo scene when Oden was fighting Kaido. That's why he couldn't kill Momo back then. He feels responsible and disgusted that Rocks gave up instead of fighting to the end. In the end, young Kaido wanted to commit suicide, but Big Mom save him and maybe forced the DF down his throat to prevent him from hurting himself. That's the life long favor she meant. BM gave him a chance to fight back and bring chaos.
Things are, is his DF really responsible for his impossible quest of dying? When Marines captured him and sent him to death, I'm sure 100% that he was chained by sea primestone, so in theory it would cancel his DF ability, maybe this immortal thing comes from his genetic.
Whenever Sengoku talks about how the Rocks Pirates were like a "terrorist group". I can't help but think about 2 factions in the current story and how they're perceived by the WG: 1. The Strawhats 2. The Revolutionaries
you're definitely onto something because I've always looked at God Valley as that there was no way Garp/Roger weren't on the wrong side simply bc they were fighting to uphold the structure of the WG/Celestial Dragons
Great video! One thing I've been thinking of as another piece of "evidence" / foreshadowing that Rocks is more than just "big bad" is that... He's not actually very big. Oda likes to make his villains huge, especially now in the New World. Of course there are exceptions and it's not as clear cut as "bigger size = bigger villain", but I still find it striking how when you look at the panel of the Rocks pirates, Rocks himself is much smaller than the future Emperors. Just a potential hint Oda might have already given us that he's not supposed to be a purely villainous character when we see him.
Well (I’ve noticed) normally Oda exaggerates the size of a character for a reason. To indicate their superiority to luffy, either to show how out of his depth his in marineford (showing how little, figuratively and literally, he is next to the admirals or whitebeard). Or to portray him as the underdog in a fight (Doffy, Kat, BM, Kaido are all examples). Based on this, this might indicate that rocks is more similar to luffy, on the same page as luffy, further supported by Roger’s normal size.
My personal head cannon is that Rocks was the Dragon of his era, but just a little more extremist, which is why Sengoku didn't like him. Also what Rocks wanted to do, would have caused massive collateral damage.
Love the idea of kaido was trying to save xebec and couldn't.. we are going to get another tragic backstory and feel for this man kaido. Goda loves rip our hearts apart 😭
Absolutely can’t wait for Kaido’s flashback! This theory is an interesting alternative look at Rocks character and how his actions affected those around him. I completely agree with this tangent! Personally, maybe Xebec saw himself as joyboy or at least a candidate for one (when he dabbled into the world taboos)…perhaps he wanted to do something about it rather than realize he is too early like Roger’s crew. Things didn’t work out so well and he died before his plans went to fruition. Rayleigh told the Straw Hats that they will reach a different perspective from analyzing the true history than his crew did…and that could be due to how Rocks saw it and drove him mad/man of action.
I could see Rocks sacrificing himself in order to do something really selfless and good, maybe to save innocent marines or something, and Kaido not really understanding, would feel betrayed and confused, then later feel hatred and anger and annoyed and obsessed with it.
Mini theory: What Luffy ate was not the Gomu Gomu no mi, it was only called that becasue the WG wanted to hide its true name and its power. The DF is a mythical type zoan Human Human fruit model Hanuman (Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Hanuman). from wikipedia: Hanuman is a Hindu god and divine vanara (ape man) companion of the god Rama. Hanuman is also the son of the wind god (Vayu) He is viewed as the ideal combination of "strength, heroic initiative and assertive excellence" and "loving, emotional devotion to his personal god Rama" He is sometimes portrayed as the patron god of martial arts such as wrestling and acrobatics, as well as activities such as meditation(we never saw Luffy think) and diligent scholarship. He symbolizes the human excellences of inner self-control, faith, and service to a cause, hidden behind the first impressions of a being who looks like an Ape-Man Vanara. Some scholars have identified Hanuman as one potential inspiration for Sun Wukong, the Monkey King character in the Chinese epic adventure Journey to the West. One interpretation of "Hanuman" is "one having a disfigured jaw" - rubber jaw? This version is supported by a Puranic legend wherein infant Hanuman mistakes the Sun for a fruit (smiliar to luffy mistaking, the DF for a sanck) heroically attempts to reach it, and is wounded in the jaw for his attempt. According to Valmiki's Ramayana, one morning in his childhood, Hanuman was hungry and saw the rising red-colored sun. Mistaking it for a ripe fruit, he leapt up to eat it. (could refer to the Dawn, or why Luffys theme color is red, even some of his attacks like Red hawk...) The Hanuman could be Luffys awakend from, Boundman, Snakeman... Hanuman? It could be that after one awakens the powers of his DF he relizes the name of his DF. Further evidance: Luffys powers are different form other paramecia types... Luffys transformation changes his hair and the smoke is also something that shouldnt be there if it was a normal DF, the way he looks after tranforming into gear 4 looks very mythical... It boosts his physical abilities JUST LIKE ZOAN fruits... He had to get used to it, first it changes his skin and bones etc... then he learned how to pump his blood so it flows faster then he learned to change the size of his bones... then muslces... After learning all of that he can reach the final form - The Hanuman. which would also be the true name of his DF model. We saw Sengokus DF alowing him to tranform into a Budha, i am sure he has awakened his DF, cuz its based on the awakend one the Budha afterall... A number of Marines claimed that they have never seen him use this power before the war. Before that he might have only used shockwaves or just turn his body into "gold" that could be the reason why no one saw his final form before. he had to slowly gain all the control and benefits of his DF, similiar to Luffy. WhosWho mentioned that the gomu gomu no mi was stolen, he was a CP9 agent back then, so that means it was VERY IMPORTANT for the WG, this fruit. The WG is known for misleading the world in One Piece. We saw it plenty of times. Now the strongest evidance i have is the Momotaro folklore, the Peach boy was accompanied by a dog, monkey and a pheasant, They were going to defeat an Oni. Its clear that Momonosuke (and Tama) = Momotaro , Yamato = dog, Luffy = monkey and Marco = pheasnt and of course Kaido = Oni. Now Momonosuke, Yamato, Marco have a Mythical type ZOAN, Kaido has one too... THE ONLY ONE who we belive doesnt have a mythical zoan is Luffy. Kaido laughed and mocked the Gomu Gomu no mi. He thinks its just a trash DF... I do think Momo, Yamato, Marco and Luffy will team up and fight Kaido, its all connected. Marco knew Oden and Ace and he remebers Momonosuke for sure. Ace most likely told Marco about Yamato. Luffy know Marco and Ace was his brother, he met both Momonosuke and Yamato and is friends will all of them. Yamato knew Ace and she heared about Luffy and now she met him, she also knows Momonosuke now and maybe heared of Marco since he is quite famous. Momonuske might not remember Marco but he knows he was born on WB ship, he know Luffy and Yamato. They all have a connection and all have a mythical DF and will fight Kaido (there was a chapter called Ancient Zoans, so will we see a chapter called Mythical Zoans, featuring Orochi aswell. Well but wait... Luffy doesnt have a mythical zoan type... ARE YOU SURE?
Bro, this video inspired me. The whole thing about Rocks has been bugging me a while. And thanks to you I have a base for a theory I've been willing to make for a while.
Hey what’s up Randy, I’m new, just got here from the Reverie and so far I really like your content and vibes. These videos that are more like rambles and the process of theorizing rather than the actual theory are super unique. I can’t wait to binge more of your videos.
Same! It's so much more like a discussion rather than a lesson, so to speak. Chilled vibes and great and even out there theories! Interesting stuff ^_^
This flashback has got so much POTENTIAL. He’s had so much subtle character showing. I wonder how all of the God Valley and the Rocks stuff comes into play!
It was said that Xebec "Broke too many taboo's" what are those? Freeing slaves, destroy celestial dragons main houses outside of marijois? What if god valley was some mass produce destruction factory full of slaves..
I think rocks found out the history of the world and Joyboy prophecy but was too impatient so he tried to fulfill Joyboy wish, which could be the destruction of the red line , the Noah and the ancient weapons. He had whitebeard on his crew to destroy the red line He had shiki to lift up the Noah And big moms power could make an ancient weapon come to life
This is a shot in the dark but he did something that pertained to the celestial dragons. He could've gotten with a female celestial dragon and maybe he could be the father of shanks OR the celestial dragons were just pricks and woke up feeling like it just time for the celestial dragons to get yeeted.
@@huntercheadle2679 well Shanks and Corazon were born on the same year which is a year before God Valley, Corazon left Mariejois when he was 6 and he grew up hearing" a badly behaving child will be gobbled up by D" and " D will cause another storm" so that must be because of Rocks. God Valley must have been a like vacation home for celestial dragons because they also had their slaves there.
5:15 I'm someone who only ever discovers these edited manga panels in youtube videos and they always make me laugh but this is one of the best yet...but the best are still those that replace the strawhats with fake-strawhats at the most epic moments.
You were awesome in the Reverie and I started to spam watch some of your regular videos and your analyses are so thoughtful, bringing me new perspectives to One Piece that I couldn't have thought of in my two readthroughs, plus your videos are soothing to listen to haha. I'm glad to be a newbie to the Savage Gang and I'll be here for the long ride aye
Love this spit balling idea where you’re just saying your thoughts as they come about. I’m a new subscriber from the reverie, looking forward to more content.
This is a cool theory but a part of me thinks that Rocks could still be alive somewhere and possibly influencing Blackbeard. Still, I hope and can't wait for the Kaido backstory because I really want to know more about his character.
LOVE the idea of the Blackbeard and Rocks parallel of not laughing at laugh tale and then Luffy being parallel to Roger and just having a good time with it. New head canon 🤩
This channel is so underrated and deserves so much more followers then some of the other One Piece youtubers that make the same videos over and over again
This is an interesting premise. You’re right that we only have Sengoku’s word for whether Rocks is evil or not. However, for Roger and Garp to fight Rocks would imply Rocks’ alignment is on the evil side. Going to be very interesting to unravel.
I meant to included the panel of that when I was talking about all of that, had it planned and forgot. But yep! I definitely see that having a greater meaning for later
Now I wanna see/read Kaido’s flashback. Sometimes I fogot that he have tried multiples times to suicide but still is fighting in this Onigashima battle… maybe now he’s having a reason to live? Finally someone worthy is defying him and maybe that’s why he was disappointed with Luffy…
Hey randy I just wanted tell you that I absolutely loved you at the reverie man. Your appearance in it really made the whole show really enjoyable despite it being the longest thing I've ever watched lmao. The energy you brought was awesome. And I feel like if you apply the same excitement and enthusiasm you had in the reverie into future videos your channel would do wonders. Btw I'm not saying this video is bad It's just a little mellow for my taste. Yeah that's all I had to say. Yours sincerely new #Savage subscriber.
I really don't buy into the Rocks was A good theory cause Sengoku's description seems quite truthful imo, especially cause of the detail of the crewmates killing each other, which is later remarked by Whitebeard in Oden's flashback. Kaido being charmed by him? Sure, but in a twisted way, the most "obvious" way but also the most likely one. I don't think Oda is gonna pull a 180 on him
Wow 🤯 What a theory... I know you talked a little about it in the reverie, i watched it, and you were the best that time. For the theory, that was one of the best speculations about rocks that i've ever heard, but for the way you explained, i wasn't surprised. I'm not surprised that you did a good explanation of it, i'm rather confused, i'm wondering on how you could be so good all the time? Such a wonderful video 😳😍👍❤
Hear this idea: What if when he was captured by the marines, Kaido was tortured by King for days when they met and King gave up after days? Kaido broke King while King was trying to break him.
Great Theory Randy!! This gets me thinking about Rodger now. I could be wrong, but in between him meeting Rayleigh and us seeing him in Odens flashback, we don’t know a lot about him. We know that he fought with Garp against Rocks at God Valley, but not much else. What if for some reason Rodger was a Marine and converted to a Pirate after God Valley? All Rodger says is that he want to turn the world around when he meets Rayleigh. Not anything about being a Pirate. Would be an interesting twist if at one time Rodger was a Marine like Garp.
So Zoro would be the Whitebeard to Rock's Luffy, and Kaido is a jaded, adult Momo after Luffy goes out on his shield and the World Gov made him out to be evil before they erased him from history?
Zoro would be the Rayleigh ace is the whitebeard ace sabo and luffy is the whitebeard oden and roger we seen both flashback zoro is Rayleigh sanji scopper etc n
Great video! Gave a lot to think about about, and I can't wait for the "another one" moment when we find out Rocks was, as a matter of fact, a "good" guy. The idea of Rocks being a more heroic figure than he is made out to be, especially in the context of the God Valley incident gives me major Enies Lobby vibes. Maybe Rocks went to God Valley to save a friend/cremate Since I made a big deal out of it last time, I think it's important I point out that that the thumbnail is looking really great!!
Now this is a solid theory and one I think has been evident but only for fun. I’m so on your side and I definitely will preach your word whenever I find it convenient to drop he who shall not be named lol
I think as per timeline , Roger discovered Loadstar island before God valley incident , Rocks finding out laughtale 1st makes sense , and probably big mom got one of the road poneglypgh from Rocks himself , Rocks could be a good guy , but he was killing CD , and as per how I am seeing shanks and his actions , i think shanks wanted to find out a middle result where CD's won't be killed and there rule (by gorosei and imu) get ended Which perhaps , only 'Joyboy' can find out
Enjoyable vid! I'm assuming a lot of the flashbacks we are now going to get going forward will somehow involve Roger. So whatever Xebec told Roger, Kaido definitely heard it too.
Yeah before there was pirate king there was king of the world and that was rocks sengoku said it was his era, he probably took the same journey roger took and found out he was to early which drove him mad and probably died the same age roger did and left behind his infant son shanks the same way roger left behind ace, I wouldn’t be surprised rocks named his son after his sword same way roger did. Roger and rocks probably had the same checkered fate.
Rocks beeing a good guy is almost exact thing I was thinking for a few reasons. First one is Whitedlbeard. I can't just imagine a guy like him serving under evil captain. Second one is Kaido. We see him Happy in chapter 1035. He was full of hope and had this optimism is his eyes. Even now Kaido shows a flashes of good heart for example he could kill Momo straight away, he still treats soo good his first mates as you can see what he said to Jack after his defeat. He cares. What broke he may be something he's saying that you can't trust a pirate. Maybe with words which Kaido said to King that he is the only one who could change the world, he considered himself as a Joyboy. You couldn't be a Joyboy either means something different for Kaido maybe he thought that raw strenght will give him the power to change anything. Then he was betrayed. We Know there was someone who kicked his ass several times. That broke him. Someone litteraly kicked this idea out of his head. He defeated Luffy and got flashback what happend to him earlier. And now he's a grumpy alcoholic waiting for real deal, a real Joyboy to confront him, see what he missed in his preparations to do the right thing and be the savior of the world. He's doing bad things to get Joyboys attention. Third one is Big Mom refering to Kaido as a younger brother. Rocks were like family and Whitebeard felt good there and build exact same thing with his own crew. Further more I thing that history like to repeat itself and we all know that history is written by the winners. Rock beeing good, has one more paralell to me. Parallel to Luffy because Luffy always says that he's a pirate not hero. He's doing good thing and he's happy to be called a pirate, considered bad because pirates are bad. This is one side because definetly Government made Rocks bad to hide the truth. There is also another parallel to strawhats saying that Rocks destroyed towns and Islands, we could see that a lot of thing was destroyed during heavy fighting but not just beeing destroyed like Buggy trying wipe out everything with Buggy Balls. And this : Garp and Roger went to God Valley to defeat Rock but how they could defeat them? How? There were only two of them against strongest Crew at least 4 beasts in there and we saw Roger Vs Blackbeard fight it took 3 days and end with a draw! How could they win? Something different happend there what changed all of them. Rocks may be still alive hidden somewhere or his child is one of Garps adopted children. Or maybe it's Shanks, adopted by Roger. I'm not sure in that matter.
Hey randy I was watching a review from a new reader catching up to the marine ford war and fresh eyes really do add perspective, and something they said gave me a fresh idea what do you think about people with the "will d" people able to "will" people into submission but not like a slave more like tama, this would make them also the natural enemy of a "God" or in this case a ruler of any kind, this coupled with conquerors haki and the voice of all things to reach anyone as luffy displayed would be a really powerful combo if this was the case, this could also tie into how Rox got people like kaido, big mom and white beard to follow him, this idea isn't completely flesh out but some food for thought.
xebec fighting for greater good (but not a good guy) is a theory i like, because if he was bad / truly selfish then why would Roger and Garp not ever want to talk about their team up against a scumbag. Also, Big Mom/Kaido/Whitebeard, all part of Xebec's crew.. they aren't exactly scumy people (yes they oppress but in different ways - Big Mom - as a business transaction, Kaido - by breaking will's and Whitebeard by being compassion and generous), they all have their individual ways but they truly did choose to follow Xebec whom must have had an ideology that they all sync'd with ?... What I can't figure out is why is Shanks getting in their way... What is Shank's role as gatekeeper? What is he buying time for and for who?
A lot of people talk about everybody in OP believing Ace was Joyboy. Now with the sun god reveal, it gives more credence to that, since Ace had the mera mera, he had the powers of a sun god. Just a thought. (Randy; great video, love to hear your thoughts)
Yeah I alway liked that. Basically ace was the chosen one but failed so luffy inherited his will and with hard work will achive what ace failed. There is also this scene in marineford (its only in the anime so take it with a grain of salt) where whitebeard talks about how some people inherited rogers will and some will inherit ace's. While that happened we saw a feather that first dropped on ace's that body and than travels through the air to luffys body. Symbolising that he will inherit the will of ace
I believe many looked at Ace as the one Roger was looking for. But in Marineford you can actually pinpoint the moment that Whitebeard connects the dots and tells everyone to protect Luffy
@@RandyTroy Yeah it is incredible how Oda pulled a destiny child trope with ace (at least within the OP world) and subvert it in universe. That is why I hope it is not a destiny thing with luffy because, at least partially, it was stressed with Ace that there is no destined child and that it could be anyone the one to find the one piece as long as they are up for the challenge
Savage. This also may explains Rayleigh words when he says straw hats may come to different conclusions by finding the One Piece. Maybe by finding it first or by discovering the true history Rocks decided to take revenge on the World Government using violence, something I think Roger wouldn’t have done and neither Luffy would.
Very interesting theory, I do like the idea the Xebec believed he was Joy Boy much like how I think currently Dragon believes he is Joy Boy. Greate video and I'm happy I found you after the reverie.
That might mean dragon is rocks d xebecs son. He inherited this quality from his father and it might lead to his demise The same way ace inherited the intolerance to insults of his crew from roger
SAVAGE! Fan of the idea of Rocks being a good guy and thought himself of being joy boy. Perhaps why he was at God Valley. Maybe he wanted to free the slaves. Perhaps he had his will broken at god valley and chose Su**id* and because he was effectively erased from history. This Is why Kaido wants to a part of a historic death and y he breaks the will of his enemies. Also we always see Rocks with a big ole grin :)
The interesting is that we have 2 people we speculate are heavily influenced by Rocks (Kaido and BB), but those 2 guys couldn't be more opposite. How are they inspired by the same guy but so different.
This made me think about Robins dad, Nico Olivias husband. Since he was mentioned, Oda could still introduce us to that character whenever he wants 🤔...
Then why did rocks want to be king of the sea? I heard that term in big moms and doflamingo when they were both kids flashback. Was king of the sea the previous way of saying pirate king?
Hey bro if Kaido does not admire cowardly people due to your theory of Rocks' supposed suicide, why does Kaido also try to kill himself on the regular? It would be kinda ironic if he hates cowards or the weak, when he himself tried to off himself by jumping off the balloon terminal. The rocks suicide thing could still be true but I think it probably influenced Kaido in other ways. But thats just a theory.
Remember how Kidd’s reputation keeps getting swept under the rug and lied about? What if this is a theme of explaining True history and it’s importance because Rocks died and no one knows the truth of what happened to him. Rocks died with the world not knowing and Kaido hates that and respects Whitebeard dying legendary with everyone knowing.
Personally I don't think it's a coincidence that in Punk Hazard (the start of this entire saga) we see Law deliver the line "the weak don't choose how they die" which is then word-for-word repeated by Doflamingo in Dressrosa. Then our introduction to Kaido is showcasing that he is literally incapable of 'choosing how he dies', I think Oda may have already pulled the rug already without us realizing. I think Kaido is self-conscious at his own weakness and that's why you have certain scenes where he kills Orochi's grandma for being the main cause of Oden losing, or he's seemingly obsessed with breaking people's will moreso actually killing them. And I think that's what we may get an expansion on in the inevitable flashback with Rocks, granted the only person who really knows is Oda and he could prove everyone wrong on this so we just have to wait and see. Fun video though!
OMG a Rocks theory, this is going to be... *savage*
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The "A man dies when he is forgotten" quote is relevant yet again. The wrong way to die is to be forgotten which is why Kaido is upset about Rock's death.
Your version of why Kaido might have wanted to eat the Fish-Fish Fruit is amazing. I can picture Kaido eating the fruit and then struggling to transform and then eventually transforming to some pathetic fish creature. Then after trying to save Xebec he refuses and drowns while Kaido is crying and begging him to stay alive.
On an unrelated note, I was rewatching Punk Hazard recently and noticed that Law told Smoker that there were things you couldn't see unless you change your standing. That's the exact same thing Aoikiji told Smoker later on during that arc. That made me think of your Law is part of Sword theory. I think when it comes to Aoikiji it's pretty much a consensus now that he is also part of Sword.
Love this, thanks for watching MrPastige!
Can you link a video about this swor theory? Hears about it in the reverie and thought it was a meme or something, is it a real theory?
@@justtobecleartherewasnever8243 Sure! it's a two part theory, just search "Randy Troy Sword" and you should see it :)
@@MrPastige tyvm!!
I thought it said in the manga that aokiji literally created sword
Rocks died to save his ally and that ally was young Kaido. Probably same as the momo scene when Oden was fighting Kaido. That's why he couldn't kill Momo back then. He feels responsible and disgusted that Rocks gave up instead of fighting to the end. In the end, young Kaido wanted to commit suicide, but Big Mom save him and maybe forced the DF down his throat to prevent him from hurting himself. That's the life long favor she meant. BM gave him a chance to fight back and bring chaos.
Oooh I like this take too, Kaido kept trying to drown and Big Mom made it so that he never could hmm
@@RandyTroy you liking my comment made my day,
Things are, is his DF really responsible for his impossible quest of dying? When Marines captured him and sent him to death, I'm sure 100% that he was chained by sea primestone, so in theory it would cancel his DF ability, maybe this immortal thing comes from his genetic.
Whenever Sengoku talks about how the Rocks Pirates were like a "terrorist group". I can't help but think about 2 factions in the current story and how they're perceived by the WG:
1. The Strawhats
2. The Revolutionaries
JDD gets it 🏴☠️
Always be wary when a government brands an organization a "terrorist group".
you're definitely onto something because I've always looked at God Valley as that there was no way Garp/Roger weren't on the wrong side simply bc they were fighting to uphold the structure of the WG/Celestial Dragons
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ran D troy back at it again. really interesting speculation on rocks and kaido
Maybe he is blessed by Go D. Usopp, that's why he's knowledgeable.
Great video! One thing I've been thinking of as another piece of "evidence" / foreshadowing that Rocks is more than just "big bad" is that... He's not actually very big. Oda likes to make his villains huge, especially now in the New World. Of course there are exceptions and it's not as clear cut as "bigger size = bigger villain", but I still find it striking how when you look at the panel of the Rocks pirates, Rocks himself is much smaller than the future Emperors. Just a potential hint Oda might have already given us that he's not supposed to be a purely villainous character when we see him.
I've definitely noticed how Rocks is "Luffy-sized" around these powerhouses
Well (I’ve noticed) normally Oda exaggerates the size of a character for a reason. To indicate their superiority to luffy, either to show how out of his depth his in marineford (showing how little, figuratively and literally, he is next to the admirals or whitebeard). Or to portray him as the underdog in a fight (Doffy, Kat, BM, Kaido are all examples). Based on this, this might indicate that rocks is more similar to luffy, on the same page as luffy, further supported by Roger’s normal size.
“What if he wasn’t a bad guy at all?”
… I honestly have never thought of that, really goes to show how mysterious Rocks still is in the story
The most classic Oda twist was the "empty throne." Literally says "no one sits on this throne" then two chapters later someone sits on the throne.
My personal head cannon is that Rocks was the Dragon of his era, but just a little more extremist, which is why Sengoku didn't like him. Also what Rocks wanted to do, would have caused massive collateral damage.
That flashback of kaido seeing his captain die even after becoming a fish to try to rescue him nearly brought me to tears.
Love the idea of kaido was trying to save xebec and couldn't.. we are going to get another tragic backstory and feel for this man kaido. Goda loves rip our hearts apart 😭
Rocks is so interesting 🤔 what kind of man was he? #Savage
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Absolutely can’t wait for Kaido’s flashback! This theory is an interesting alternative look at Rocks character and how his actions affected those around him. I completely agree with this tangent! Personally, maybe Xebec saw himself as joyboy or at least a candidate for one (when he dabbled into the world taboos)…perhaps he wanted to do something about it rather than realize he is too early like Roger’s crew. Things didn’t work out so well and he died before his plans went to fruition.
Rayleigh told the Straw Hats that they will reach a different perspective from analyzing the true history than his crew did…and that could be due to how Rocks saw it and drove him mad/man of action.
I could see Rocks sacrificing himself in order to do something really selfless and good, maybe to save innocent marines or something, and Kaido not really understanding, would feel betrayed and confused, then later feel hatred and anger and annoyed and obsessed with it.
Mini theory:
What Luffy ate was not the Gomu Gomu no mi, it was only called that becasue the WG wanted to hide
its true name and its power. The DF is a mythical type zoan Human Human fruit model Hanuman (Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Hanuman).
from wikipedia:
Hanuman is a Hindu god and divine vanara (ape man) companion of the god Rama.
Hanuman is also the son of the wind god (Vayu)
He is viewed as the ideal combination of "strength, heroic initiative and assertive excellence" and
"loving, emotional devotion to his personal god Rama"
He is sometimes portrayed as the patron god of martial arts such as wrestling and acrobatics,
as well as activities such as meditation(we never saw Luffy think) and diligent scholarship.
He symbolizes the human excellences of inner self-control, faith, and service to a cause,
hidden behind the first impressions of a being who looks like an Ape-Man Vanara.
Some scholars have identified Hanuman as one potential inspiration for Sun Wukong,
the Monkey King character in the Chinese epic adventure Journey to the West.
One interpretation of "Hanuman" is "one having a disfigured jaw" - rubber jaw?
This version is supported by a Puranic legend wherein infant Hanuman mistakes the Sun for a fruit
(smiliar to luffy mistaking, the DF for a sanck)
heroically attempts to reach it, and is wounded in the jaw for his attempt.
According to Valmiki's Ramayana, one morning in his childhood, Hanuman was hungry and saw the rising red-colored sun.
Mistaking it for a ripe fruit, he leapt up to eat it. (could refer to the Dawn, or why Luffys theme color is red,
even some of his attacks like Red hawk...)
The Hanuman could be Luffys awakend from, Boundman, Snakeman... Hanuman?
It could be that after one awakens the powers of his DF he relizes the name of his DF.
Further evidance:
Luffys powers are different form other paramecia types...
Luffys transformation changes his hair and the smoke is also something that shouldnt be there if it was a normal DF,
the way he looks after tranforming into gear 4 looks very mythical...
It boosts his physical abilities JUST LIKE ZOAN fruits...
He had to get used to it, first it changes his skin and bones etc...
then he learned how to pump his blood so it flows faster
then he learned to change the size of his bones... then muslces...
After learning all of that he can reach the final form - The Hanuman.
which would also be the true name of his DF model.
We saw Sengokus DF alowing him to tranform into a Budha, i am sure he has awakened his DF,
cuz its based on the awakend one the Budha afterall...
A number of Marines claimed that they have never seen him use this power before the war.
Before that he might have only used shockwaves or just turn his body into "gold"
that could be the reason why no one saw his final form before.
he had to slowly gain all the control and benefits of his DF, similiar to Luffy.
WhosWho mentioned that the gomu gomu no mi was stolen, he was a CP9 agent back then,
so that means it was VERY IMPORTANT for the WG, this fruit.
The WG is known for misleading the world in One Piece. We saw it plenty of times.
Now the strongest evidance i have is the Momotaro folklore, the Peach boy was accompanied by a dog, monkey and a pheasant,
They were going to defeat an Oni. Its clear that Momonosuke (and Tama) = Momotaro , Yamato = dog, Luffy = monkey and Marco = pheasnt and of course Kaido = Oni.
Now Momonosuke, Yamato, Marco have a Mythical type ZOAN, Kaido has one too... THE ONLY ONE who we belive doesnt have a mythical zoan is Luffy.
Kaido laughed and mocked the Gomu Gomu no mi. He thinks its just a trash DF...
I do think Momo, Yamato, Marco and Luffy will team up and fight Kaido, its all connected.
Marco knew Oden and Ace and he remebers Momonosuke for sure. Ace most likely told Marco about Yamato.
Luffy know Marco and Ace was his brother, he met both Momonosuke and Yamato and is friends will all of them.
Yamato knew Ace and she heared about Luffy and now she met him, she also knows Momonosuke now and maybe heared of Marco since he is quite famous.
Momonuske might not remember Marco but he knows he was born on WB ship, he know Luffy and Yamato.
They all have a connection and all have a mythical DF and will fight Kaido
(there was a chapter called Ancient Zoans, so will we see a chapter called Mythical Zoans, featuring Orochi aswell.
Well but wait... Luffy doesnt have a mythical zoan type... ARE YOU SURE?
Damn man i love u
Bro, this video inspired me. The whole thing about Rocks has been bugging me a while. And thanks to you I have a base for a theory I've been willing to make for a while.
love that, thanks for saying that Luciach
Heard you and Sage speaking during Reverie and was blown away at the logical yet creative theories. Excited to binge your channel now.
Hey what’s up Randy, I’m new, just got here from the Reverie and so far I really like your content and vibes. These videos that are more like rambles and the process of theorizing rather than the actual theory are super unique. I can’t wait to binge more of your videos.
Welcome CW, appreciate that!
Love to see it
Same! It's so much more like a discussion rather than a lesson, so to speak. Chilled vibes and great and even out there theories! Interesting stuff ^_^
This flashback has got so much POTENTIAL. He’s had so much subtle character showing. I wonder how all of the God Valley and the Rocks stuff comes into play!
This analysis just puts into perspective how much there is to unpack before the end of One Piece.
"He did not laugh" panel slaying me. Savage as always.
Randy:Uploads theory video
Oda:Starts sweating
It was said that Xebec "Broke too many taboo's" what are those? Freeing slaves, destroy celestial dragons main houses outside of marijois? What if god valley was some mass produce destruction factory full of slaves..
I think rocks found out the history of the world and Joyboy prophecy but was too impatient so he tried to fulfill Joyboy wish, which could be the destruction of the red line , the Noah and the ancient weapons.
He had whitebeard on his crew to destroy the red line
He had shiki to lift up the Noah
And big moms power could make an ancient weapon come to life
This is a shot in the dark but he did something that pertained to the celestial dragons. He could've gotten with a female celestial dragon and maybe he could be the father of shanks OR the celestial dragons were just pricks and woke up feeling like it just time for the celestial dragons to get yeeted.
@@huntercheadle2679 well Shanks and Corazon were born on the same year which is a year before God Valley, Corazon left Mariejois when he was 6 and he grew up hearing" a badly behaving child will be gobbled up by D" and " D will cause another storm" so that must be because of Rocks. God Valley must have been a like vacation home for celestial dragons because they also had their slaves there.
5:15 I'm someone who only ever discovers these edited manga panels in youtube videos and they always make me laugh but this is one of the best yet...but the best are still those that replace the strawhats with fake-strawhats at the most epic moments.
You were awesome in the Reverie and I started to spam watch some of your regular videos and your analyses are so thoughtful, bringing me new perspectives to One Piece that I couldn't have thought of in my two readthroughs, plus your videos are soothing to listen to haha.
I'm glad to be a newbie to the Savage Gang and I'll be here for the long ride aye
Me too. Started following him since the Reverie. Definitely worth it. 🙂
Love this comment, thanks Mirrah!
Love this spit balling idea where you’re just saying your thoughts as they come about. I’m a new subscriber from the reverie, looking forward to more content.
This is a cool theory but a part of me thinks that Rocks could still be alive somewhere and possibly influencing Blackbeard. Still, I hope and can't wait for the Kaido backstory because I really want to know more about his character.
My eyes watered up when you say that Rocks gave up and Kaido saw that the figure he looks up was slowly dying before his eyes.
Just wanted to let you know that you were the MVP of the reverie for me!
Appreciate that!
SAVAGE 🔥
Love this state of mind it would turn the one piece fandom world up side down 😂🔥🔥🔥
Rocks beeing the first joy would be amazing
LOVE the idea of the Blackbeard and Rocks parallel of not laughing at laugh tale and then Luffy being parallel to Roger and just having a good time with it. New head canon 🤩
This channel is so underrated and deserves so much more followers then some of the other One Piece youtubers that make the same videos over and over again
Great theory, Randy! Makes Kaido and Rocks much more complex!
Actually the best rocks theory I've ever heard. Savage!
This is an interesting premise. You’re right that we only have Sengoku’s word for whether Rocks is evil or not. However, for Roger and Garp to fight Rocks would imply Rocks’ alignment is on the evil side.
Going to be very interesting to unravel.
I think that Jack scene at the bottom of the ocean might be set up for exactly what you're talking about with Kaido
I meant to included the panel of that when I was talking about all of that, had it planned and forgot. But yep! I definitely see that having a greater meaning for later
Now I wanna see/read Kaido’s flashback.
Sometimes I fogot that he have tried multiples times to suicide but still is fighting in this Onigashima battle… maybe now he’s having a reason to live? Finally someone worthy is defying him and maybe that’s why he was disappointed with Luffy…
Hey randy I just wanted tell you that I absolutely loved you at the reverie man. Your appearance in it really made the whole show really enjoyable despite it being the longest thing I've ever watched lmao. The energy you brought was awesome. And I feel like if you apply the same excitement and enthusiasm you had in the reverie into future videos your channel would do wonders. Btw I'm not saying this video is bad It's just a little mellow for my taste. Yeah that's all I had to say. Yours sincerely new #Savage subscriber.
I really don't buy into the Rocks was A good theory cause Sengoku's description seems quite truthful imo, especially cause of the detail of the crewmates killing each other, which is later remarked by Whitebeard in Oden's flashback. Kaido being charmed by him? Sure, but in a twisted way, the most "obvious" way but also the most likely one. I don't think Oda is gonna pull a 180 on him
This video makes me appreciate kaido as a villain alot more. He has very good potential
hopefully it gets realized!
Wow 🤯
What a theory... I know you talked a little about it in the reverie, i watched it, and you were the best that time.
For the theory, that was one of the best speculations about rocks that i've ever heard, but for the way you explained, i wasn't surprised. I'm not surprised that you did a good explanation of it, i'm rather confused, i'm wondering on how you could be so good all the time?
Such a wonderful video 😳😍👍❤
Thanks for the kind words!
Loving the head cannon Randy. Getting really interesting real talk. I’m not much for others head cannon but Kaido is my dude. Much love Randy 💥✌️
wowowow, absolutely loved this take/theory on rocks! all the more excited for the kaido flashback now
Will of Xebec is Dying the wrong way
Kaido Backstory already being Told. In Finding Nemo.
New Ran D. Troy video, The best way to start the day
Hear this idea: What if when he was captured by the marines, Kaido was tortured by King for days when they met and King gave up after days? Kaido broke King while King was trying to break him.
Really interesting thoughts there Randy! Could totally see that kind of thing being Kaidos backstory.
always looking forward to these types of videos! *Savage*
Great Theory Randy!! This gets me thinking about Rodger now. I could be wrong, but in between him meeting Rayleigh and us seeing him in Odens flashback, we don’t know a lot about him. We know that he fought with Garp against Rocks at God Valley, but not much else. What if for some reason Rodger was a Marine and converted to a Pirate after God Valley? All Rodger says is that he want to turn the world around when he meets Rayleigh. Not anything about being a Pirate. Would be an interesting twist if at one time Rodger was a Marine like Garp.
I don't see it happening, but it's an interesting thought!
So Zoro would be the Whitebeard to Rock's Luffy, and Kaido is a jaded, adult Momo after Luffy goes out on his shield and the World Gov made him out to be evil before they erased him from history?
Zoro would be the Rayleigh ace is the whitebeard ace sabo and luffy is the whitebeard oden and roger we seen both flashback zoro is Rayleigh sanji scopper etc n
I was thinking after Rocks found out he was too early, he lost his mind and started attacking the celestial dragons.
Great video! Gave a lot to think about about, and I can't wait for the "another one" moment when we find out Rocks was, as a matter of fact, a "good" guy.
The idea of Rocks being a more heroic figure than he is made out to be, especially in the context of the God Valley incident gives me major Enies Lobby vibes.
Maybe Rocks went to God Valley to save a friend/cremate
Since I made a big deal out of it last time, I think it's important I point out that that the thumbnail is looking really great!!
I cant wait for the 3 hr one piece timeline video once everything is revealed and the series is over
Now this is a solid theory and one I think has been evident but only for fun. I’m so on your side and I definitely will preach your word whenever I find it convenient to drop he who shall not be named lol
While Morj plays Chess, Troy playing 4D Chess
What if keido believes he has to be a villain to draw out a hero
now that's interesting actually
Love your content man!!
my guy
I think as per timeline , Roger discovered Loadstar island before God valley incident , Rocks finding out laughtale 1st makes sense , and probably big mom got one of the road poneglypgh from Rocks himself ,
Rocks could be a good guy , but he was killing CD , and as per how I am seeing shanks and his actions , i think shanks wanted to find out a middle result where CD's won't be killed and there rule (by gorosei and imu) get ended
Which perhaps , only 'Joyboy' can find out
OML THIS WOULD BE MY FAVORITE ONE PIECE BSCKSTORY IF IT HAPPENS LIKE THAT WTH RANDY YOUR A GENIUS
Enjoyable vid! I'm assuming a lot of the flashbacks we are now going to get going forward will somehow involve Roger. So whatever Xebec told Roger, Kaido definitely heard it too.
That theory theory no mi accent.... Savage
A new Randy video, now THIS is the right way to wake up
The world government also portrayed Roger similar to how Sengoku talks about Rox 🤔
Yeah before there was pirate king there was king of the world and that was rocks sengoku said it was his era, he probably took the same journey roger took and found out he was to early which drove him mad and probably died the same age roger did and left behind his infant son shanks the same way roger left behind ace, I wouldn’t be surprised rocks named his son after his sword same way roger did. Roger and rocks probably had the same checkered fate.
Rocks beeing a good guy is almost exact thing I was thinking for a few reasons.
First one is Whitedlbeard. I can't just imagine a guy like him serving under evil captain.
Second one is Kaido. We see him Happy in chapter 1035.
He was full of hope and had this optimism is his eyes. Even now Kaido shows a flashes of good heart for example he could kill Momo straight away, he still treats soo good his first mates as you can see what he said to Jack after his defeat. He cares.
What broke he may be something he's saying that you can't trust a pirate.
Maybe with words which Kaido said to King that he is the only one who could change the world, he considered himself as a Joyboy. You couldn't be a Joyboy either means something different for Kaido maybe he thought that raw strenght will give him the power to change anything. Then he was betrayed. We Know there was someone who kicked his ass several times. That broke him. Someone litteraly kicked this idea out of his head. He defeated Luffy and got flashback what happend to him earlier.
And now he's a grumpy alcoholic waiting for real deal, a real Joyboy to confront him, see what he missed in his preparations to do the right thing and be the savior of the world. He's doing bad things to get Joyboys attention.
Third one is Big Mom refering to Kaido as a younger brother.
Rocks were like family and Whitebeard felt good there and build exact same thing with his own crew.
Further more I thing that history like to repeat itself and we all know that history is written by the winners.
Rock beeing good, has one more paralell to me. Parallel to Luffy because Luffy always says that he's a pirate not hero. He's doing good thing and he's happy to be called a pirate, considered bad because pirates are bad. This is one side because definetly Government made Rocks bad to hide the truth.
There is also another parallel to strawhats saying that Rocks destroyed towns and Islands, we could see that a lot of thing was destroyed during heavy fighting but not just beeing destroyed like Buggy trying wipe out everything with Buggy Balls.
And this : Garp and Roger went to God Valley to defeat Rock but how they could defeat them? How? There were only two of them against strongest Crew at least 4 beasts in there and we saw Roger Vs Blackbeard fight it took 3 days and end with a draw!
How could they win?
Something different happend there what changed all of them. Rocks may be still alive hidden somewhere or his child is one of Garps adopted children. Or maybe it's Shanks, adopted by Roger.
I'm not sure in that matter.
Yo, kaido prolly wanted to go to marineford bcuz he knew all the biggest fighters were there and a good chance to die a hefty death
Bro are you kidding me!!! I was about to type what if “Rox thought himself to be joyboy.”
Hey randy I was watching a review from a new reader catching up to the marine ford war and fresh eyes really do add perspective, and something they said gave me a fresh idea what do you think about people with the "will d" people able to "will" people into submission but not like a slave more like tama, this would make them also the natural enemy of a "God" or in this case a ruler of any kind, this coupled with conquerors haki and the voice of all things to reach anyone as luffy displayed would be a really powerful combo if this was the case, this could also tie into how Rox got people like kaido, big mom and white beard to follow him, this idea isn't completely flesh out but some food for thought.
Its about time I found your channel and what a video to watch as my first you sir just earn another sub.
Fire video as always randy #savage
xebec fighting for greater good (but not a good guy) is a theory i like, because if he was bad / truly selfish then why would Roger and Garp not ever want to talk about their team up against a scumbag. Also, Big Mom/Kaido/Whitebeard, all part of Xebec's crew.. they aren't exactly scumy people (yes they oppress but in different ways - Big Mom - as a business transaction, Kaido - by breaking will's and Whitebeard by being compassion and generous), they all have their individual ways but they truly did choose to follow Xebec whom must have had an ideology that they all sync'd with ?... What I can't figure out is why is Shanks getting in their way... What is Shank's role as gatekeeper? What is he buying time for and for who?
If rocks went to Raftel is would only make sense if he went there before big mom, WB and kaido was apart of his crew
Nothing but greatness, as expected
rocks was very likely a brutal cruel and terrifying person
Love this theory!! It really had my mind going 👌🏿💜 I would love to see a whole movie on Rocks. I don't see it any other way.
here for it!
You really are the pirate king of OP content creators!!! #SavageGang
A lot of people talk about everybody in OP believing Ace was Joyboy. Now with the sun god reveal, it gives more credence to that, since Ace had the mera mera, he had the powers of a sun god. Just a thought. (Randy; great video, love to hear your thoughts)
Yeah I alway liked that. Basically ace was the chosen one but failed so luffy inherited his will and with hard work will achive what ace failed. There is also this scene in marineford (its only in the anime so take it with a grain of salt) where whitebeard talks about how some people inherited rogers will and some will inherit ace's. While that happened we saw a feather that first dropped on ace's that body and than travels through the air to luffys body. Symbolising that he will inherit the will of ace
@@byslow4563 Precisely because this concept of inherited will is done so good is that I don't want the destiny child thing to play out.
I believe many looked at Ace as the one Roger was looking for. But in Marineford you can actually pinpoint the moment that Whitebeard connects the dots and tells everyone to protect Luffy
@@RandyTroy Yeah it is incredible how Oda pulled a destiny child trope with ace (at least within the OP world) and subvert it in universe. That is why I hope it is not a destiny thing with luffy because, at least partially, it was stressed with Ace that there is no destined child and that it could be anyone the one to find the one piece as long as they are up for the challenge
@@NotSteven01 it could very well be. But the question is how Luffy reacts. Will he approve that and embrace it or make a frown face?
Randy.....Randy.....RANDY!!!! I THINK YOU ON TO SOMETHING!!!
Savage. This also may explains Rayleigh words when he says straw hats may come to different conclusions by finding the One Piece. Maybe by finding it first or by discovering the true history Rocks decided to take revenge on the World Government using violence, something I think Roger wouldn’t have done and neither Luffy would.
Very interesting theory, I do like the idea the Xebec believed he was Joy Boy much like how I think currently Dragon believes he is Joy Boy. Greate video and I'm happy I found you after the reverie.
That might mean dragon is rocks d xebecs son.
He inherited this quality from his father and it might lead to his demise
The same way ace inherited the intolerance to insults of his crew from roger
SAVAGE!
Fan of the idea of Rocks being a good guy and thought himself of being joy boy. Perhaps why he was at God Valley. Maybe he wanted to free the slaves.
Perhaps he had his will broken at god valley and chose Su**id* and because he was effectively erased from history. This Is why Kaido wants to a part of a historic death and y he breaks the will of his enemies. Also we always see Rocks with a big ole grin :)
rocks is literally luffy's other grandfather. bet. he's dragon's father, dragon married garps daughter
You already know bro
Never seen your content had to bookmark for later
The interesting is that we have 2 people we speculate are heavily influenced by Rocks (Kaido and BB), but those 2 guys couldn't be more opposite. How are they inspired by the same guy but so different.
Propaganda and lies will do that
I'm already hyped af.
If you post a theory, it must be the shieeeet
These types of videos are the best!!!
Well Roger said his crew were the first to arrive on the last island in 800 years
bruh never clicked on a video this fast
heat on the hands bruh
This made me think about Robins dad, Nico Olivias husband. Since he was mentioned, Oda could still introduce us to that character whenever he wants 🤔...
Then why did rocks want to be king of the sea? I heard that term in big moms and doflamingo when they were both kids flashback. Was king of the sea the previous way of saying pirate king?
King of the world*
@@kekek7791 your right
Rocks is really big mystery in the one piece world we really need a flash back now...
Hey bro if Kaido does not admire cowardly people due to your theory of Rocks' supposed suicide, why does Kaido also try to kill himself on the regular? It would be kinda ironic if he hates cowards or the weak, when he himself tried to off himself by jumping off the balloon terminal. The rocks suicide thing could still be true but I think it probably influenced Kaido in other ways. But thats just a theory.
Great video, Randy! Super interesting 🧐
Remember how Kidd’s reputation keeps getting swept under the rug and lied about? What if this is a theme of explaining True history and it’s importance because Rocks died and no one knows the truth of what happened to him. Rocks died with the world not knowing and Kaido hates that and respects Whitebeard dying legendary with everyone knowing.
Personally I don't think it's a coincidence that in Punk Hazard (the start of this entire saga) we see Law deliver the line "the weak don't choose how they die" which is then word-for-word repeated by Doflamingo in Dressrosa. Then our introduction to Kaido is showcasing that he is literally incapable of 'choosing how he dies', I think Oda may have already pulled the rug already without us realizing. I think Kaido is self-conscious at his own weakness and that's why you have certain scenes where he kills Orochi's grandma for being the main cause of Oden losing, or he's seemingly obsessed with breaking people's will moreso actually killing them. And I think that's what we may get an expansion on in the inevitable flashback with Rocks, granted the only person who really knows is Oda and he could prove everyone wrong on this so we just have to wait and see. Fun video though!
I'm going to have to watch the second half again, because I have a small brain, and this is massive stuff.
It's pretty clear that Kaido wanted to go to Marineford just to fight
Love how he says "see you in the comments"
the he didnt laugh panel is to good