He disliked the idea of a Regency--especially since it was the Duchess of Kent who would be the Regent. As to "supporting" the idea of Victoria becoming King, William had nothing to do with it. Parliament set the succession.
I absolutely love this scene. Although a small role, Jim Broadbent played a colossal and excellent KING WILLIAM THE IV!!!---I love how he speaks so lovingly and tenderly to his niece Victoria and then when he talks about her mother, he starts getting louder and then shouts "MY BROTHER'S CHILD!!...I AM KING!!!!" William grew up with his father George the III and his brother George the IV and knew how to rule with an iron fist if needed. I always loved this scene!!! :)
@@hecate3062 "For it is, of course, also the birthday of my heir and nephew, Frodo. He comes of age and into his inheritance today...I wish to make an announcement! I regret to announce that- though, as I said, eleventy-one years is far too short a time to spend among you- this is the END! I am going. I am leaving NOW! GOODBYE!"
LOVE this scene! I remember reading in a biography about Queen Victoria that her uncle King William IV was absolutely determined to live until Victoria's 18th birthday, in order to ensure that the dowager Duchess of Kent would not be Regent - and he did! The King lived to see his niece's 18th birthday and died a few months later, content in the knowledge that he had denied his sister-in-law the Regency!
He died three weeks after Victoria's 18th Birthday, King William IV stubbornly and with steely determination held on because he despised Conroy and the Duchess and knew the Duchess was merely Conroy's puppet
2:11 William IV knew he didn't have much time left so he figured "by god I'm gonna make it clear to that wench who calls the shots in this kingdom before I kick the bucket"!
William IV always stands out to be as an interesting figure in British history, being the son of "The Mad King of England" ( George III ) and the death of his older brother George IV... William IV was an unexpected king, but he was a good one, the way I see it, he definitely made Victoria's Reign a lot easier, with the Slavery Abolotion and Factory Acts of 1833, to help abolish colonial slavery and child labor in the United Kingdom. While at the same time his slight sense of "anger and madness" did make him seem like a controversial figure, especially with his outburst in this video, as that really happened in history, to me he was while the shortest reigned, but one of the greatest reigning kings in the House of Hanover
King William got wind of what was REALLY going on at Kensington palace (Servants do talk!): the Duchess of Kent, and her lover Sir John Conroy, were trying to force Victoria, in her sick-bed, to sign a Regency Act Commission (WHICH SHE DID...NOT!). The King also found out that Victoria was being abused. THAT is what pissed the king off, and he rightfully put the Duchess on blast for her and Conroy's mistreatment of Princess Victoria.
The Duchess paid a high price for what she did when Victoria became Queen. Victoria effectively banished her to the other end of Buckingham Palace and refused to meet with her. And since the Duchess basically snubbed majority of the Royal family when Victoria was growing up I doubt any of them bothered with her. She was probably a very lonely woman for those years of estrangement from Victoria she was lucky Prince Albert intervened and managed to build bridges between them.
They all knew, and it infuriated them. Why do you think Baroness Lezhen was able to keep her job as Victoria's governess, even though she was always fighting the Duchess and Conroy's attempts to bully the princess into being their puppet, as well as encouraging her to stand up for herself? It's because the rest of the Royal Family (including William's predecessor and older brother, King George IV) wouldn't let them dismiss her.
@@amasion2882 totally agree the Duchess did really piss him off continually. He and Adelaide tried to have more contact with Victoria but the Duchess blocked it and defied the King as much as she dared, she took rooms that were reserved for the King without permission. Then when he became King the Duchess and Conroy took Victoria on an unoffical royal tour round the country again without permission of the King which basically was the equivalent of giving him the middle finger. Yet when he finally retaliated and humiliated her she stormed out in a rage that he dared speak to her like that. She deserved everything that came her way when Victoria became Queen she was lucky all she got was banishment to the opposite end of Buckingham Palace she deserved to be cut off financially and booted out on her arse
Lucifer666 : I’ve always felt badly for King William. He and Adelaide were childless and it appears they truly loved Victoria and desired a close family relationship with her as well as a political one. I empathize with the Duchess of Kent in that she was an unpopular foreigner who genuinely feared for Victoria’s safety. She went too far and under Conroy’s influence she isolated and abused Victoria and ultimately deprived her of opportunities for a closer relationship with her English family. It also explains Victoria’s close psychological dependence on Lord Melbourne. If Melbourne hadn’t been such a faithful subject and ally to Victoria things could have gone very badly.
@@amasion2882 totally agree. King William and Adelaide did have children but they died in infancy. William had something like 10 kids out of wedlock and to be fair to him he did support and was involved in their lives even Adelaide apparently loved his children. The Duchess I get was an unpopular foreigner so I get that she may have been misunderstood at first but she went way to far with her behaviour towards Victoria and the rest of the royal family but she paid the ultimate price in her later years when Victoria effectively had her moved as far away as possible from her once she was Queen
I love the way William IV absolutely lets the Duchess of Kent have it with both barrels, then just sat back down without so much as a by-you-leave and sipped his drink like a total boss. Like he'd said, he was the King, and to hell with that they thought. That expression on his face at 4:25 pretty much sums it all up LOL.
What William said was a long time coming. The Duchess had continually flouted him any chance she could. He was especially peeved that Victoria was being kept from Court--after all, she was heiress-presumptive.
The Duchess of Kent has a right cheek storming out and even saying to him that she would be happy in a lodge if people were polite to her yet she snubbed most of the royal family and repratedly insulted and pissed of King William! Good on him for letting her have it with both barrels she deserved it just like she deserved her banishment when Victoria became Queen. I find it hard to have any sympathy for her.
It’s good to be King!! Bravo to him for unloading on that foolish woman!! I love the way the King slaps the Queen’s hand when she tries to stop him while he was on a roll! Hahahahaha! I love it!! He should have ordered his footmen to keep her from walking out and sit her a$$ back down. Epic!!
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88The Duchess did not get on with William and his brothers at all. The Duchess did not approve of their ways--yet she married one of them (Edward, the Duke of Kent).
@@gidzmobug2323 if I'm not mistaken the duchess was a princess in her kingdom so she has this entitled attitude. The King and his brothers doesn't like her attitude
I don't understand why lately they make Melbourne much younger and handsome and flirting with Victoria. Melbourne was an old man who was fatherly with her
I think this one by being historically accurate was being historically inaccurate. Like by making this scene, they also made Victoria almost 6 feet and did it where conroy physically laid hands on her.
I mean at least they did better than Victoria where Victoria has some weird Oedipus complex towards him where she loves him like a father and a lover, whereas in real life he was what her father could’ve been and what conroy could’ve been if he wasn’t bullying her.
msinvincible2000 I don’t think they changed his age just chose a younger actor for the eyes of the viewers, the storyline of him retiring from politics is not long after she became Queen both in real life and in the film, within 5 years.
Jory Adamson William IV did not get on well with the Duchess. Queen Adelaide (who accepted William's ten illegitimate children as her own) sometimes had the difficult task of smoothing things over. In fact, the Duchess did not like his family at all, and had it not been for Victoria possibly being Queen, I think she would have gone back to Coburg after her husband's death.
It can't be proven if the Duchess of Kent left the table in a panic like that but this speech definitely happened. The latter half may be made up but it is known that when he addressed the court nine months before Victoria's 18th birthday, William IV did indeed say that he was determined to prolong his life for a few months longer, for "I should then have the satisfaction of leaving the royal authority to the personal exercise of that young lady ... and not in the hands of the person now near me, who is surrounded by evil designs and who is herself incompetent to act with propriety in the station in which she would be placed." He didn't mince his words.
I like to think she was influenced by conroy. He might’ve said “Adelaide and William want to steal your daughter. Don’t let them!” which is why she ignored them. I do remember reading that when Victoria was a tween, she got parliament to agree to make her regent in the event that Victoria ascended the throne young. Same applies to Adelaide in the event she had a child young, since she was 20 while her husband was almost 50. Just the duchess of Kent was regent for her son before she married Victoria’s father, so it was pretty much a win win for her.
Drunk king...gets up and appears to be giving a toast or speech...but then just launchers into an epic pissed off rant...ruining the mood of the entire banquet. I want a movie just about that dude and his various dinner parties lol
Only the English would seemed shocked by this out burst. That's like every Sunday dinner at my Italian-Irish American family.....at the kiddie table. "I HAVE BEEN INSULTED!" 😂🇮🇹🇺🇸
In real life, Victoria burst into tears after her uncle finished his tirade against her mother. I wished they had kept that. By not including that bit, it makes Victoria seem very cold-hearted, like she didn’t care about her mother at all
@@lefinlay her mother still colluded in the Kensington system even if it was Conroy's idea. The Duchess was incredibly stupid to sit back and allow Conroy to abuse her daughter but she did pay a high price for all she did, when Victoria became Queen she had her mother's apartment as far away from her as possible and she refused to see or speak to her and because she snubbed most of the royal family when Victoria was little I doubt they bothered with her once Victoria was older and became Queen. Her lonely apartment in Buckingham Palace must have felt very isolated karma is a bitch its a shame Victoria didn't cut her off financially and kick her out on her arse with Conroy because I would have done exactly that good riddance the old witch would have served her right!
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 Victori wrote she wished she would visit her mother sooner or something. Albert did try to tell Victoria to reconcile with her mother/ his aunt. but she clearly ignored it but then regret it when her mother was on her death bed, mother and daughter both quite weird
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88you misunderstand the reason for the Kensington system. Victoria was next in line to the throne. She had royal uncles who also had legitimate children albeit younger than her but still in line to the throne. The movie is wrong in saying she was the only heir. Some of these uncles and their wives were pretty ruthless and wouldn’t stop at an “accident “ befalling young Victoria. This is why she had no playmates and was kept from court and it’s intrigue and was NEVER left alone. Too dangerous! Had her mother brought her to court king William would’ve immediately took control of the girl and possibly sent the mother away. It was out of an abundance of caution and yes LOVE that the mother allowed herself to be controlled by Conroy. Women were raised to be subservient to the men in their lives remember. Conroy of course wanted to rule behind the throne. All the blame for Victoria’s stunted education and social development is placed squarely in his lap. He fed the mother’s fears to achieve his own goals. Victoria naturally blamed them both for her unhappy childhood.
This scene and the one prior to this was absolutely amazing to watch Jim Broadbent is a phenomenal actor I love this film seen it many times Emily Blunt deserved an Oscar nomination ❤
The only thing that could make this scene better is if somebody stood up and yelled "fuck outta here, bitch!" as she was running away from the dinner table...lol
As if anyone would do that in 1800's England. "Blast" would get you hauled before the district magistrate, and "Goddamn" was considered fainting-worthy obscene language.
Either you waltzed at *Buckingham Palace* or else you were doing the _Twist_ down at the *Workhouse.* (Hope you enjoyed my Dickensian reference!). That aside, this time period fascinates me and this movie has some great acting in it! I have become far too accustomed to Jenna Coleman's brilliant Victoria however...
@@courtneywilliams5565 Windsor Castle is said to have a 1000 rooms! So perhaps it wasn't wrong for the mother of the next monarch to request 17 rooms for the visitation to the King's banquet.
Has anyone seen the German film called Victoria in Dover starring Romy Schneider? They portrayed Lord Melbourne as an elderly man accurately! Secondly, could someone kindly post Conroy’s expulsion?
Lord Melbourne younger. brother was said to be hot when he is 60.. and married a girl 30 years younger than him. Lord Melbourne was 56 or 57 at this time, he still looks not that elderly.
I never noticed as a child that Melbourne was manipulating victoria - really it was more from a fatherly role model she lacked but thats fine. Still shows his intentions.
The real Melbourne was old enough to be Victoria's father, but he was no less cutthroat than any other politician--which is why he didn't fall from grace IRL.
i doubt that very much, he never become a father in that sense, his only child was mentally disturbed and had died, he even standby his wife who from description was kinda of insane, she has affair with Duke of Wellington, later a scandalous affair with poet Lord Byron, after he eventually discarded her, she broke a glass and threatened to cut her wrist in the middle of a party thrown by Duke of Wellington, this shocked the society. even after all this he still defend his wife.... lol so he has soft spot for women or a child since he didn't have one anymore i guess.
he didn't manipulate her! it was in her best interest as well as his in a way, the friend he introduced to Victoria became her long life friend, this friend was Duchess of Sutherland, even without Melbourne influence, she was from the top of the top Aristocrats, Queen Victoria said that she had come from her house to her palace ( Lancaster House )
I always wondered why William IV. allowed his sister-in-law to keep Victoria from court anyway. As King he would've certainly had the authority to force her to bring his niece to court and have her prepared for her role as Queen. His great-great-grandfather George I. for example had a strained relationship with his son and because of this had a law passed that made the monarch legal guardian of their grandchildren (that law is still in effect, which is why Charles III. is officially the legal guardian of William's and Harry's children). I'm pretty sure William IV. could've done something similar and place his niece, the heir presumptive, under his guardianship.
At this point in the movie, Victoria is close to the age of majority. Had William lived longer than than he did, he might have offered Victoria her own place and a standing invitation to Court. I think he and Adelaide might have been trying for a peaceful solution for years.
The duchess really was awful. She really isolated Victoria from her own family. Victoria wasnt allowed to meet with her Aunts and Uncles. Even thinking about if it happend in modern times its terrible, even moreso because she isolated Victoria to control her and to gain power.
they eventually reconciled though after Queen Victoria had her first child and they had a nice life together, her children regularly visited their grandmother in Frogmore very near to Windsor castle. Victoria blamed it all on Conroy and Lezhen but the duchess took some of the blame.. when she died Victoria regret that she didn't mend things sooner
He said that I am King to show that Victoria mother was disrespecting his Kingship in regards to Victoria not seeing him more. From the previous comments this is what the actual King said in real life.
He sure had reasons to hate the Duchess of Kent. She'd ostentatiously kept Victoria clear of the royal bastards, snubbed Queen Adelaide and now, by this point, was becoming overbearing and nakedly ambitious with the prospect of power. Serve her right.
Also keep in mind that she more or less emotionally abused Victoria because her advisor told her to. She was basically a prisoner so that she and conroy could rule through her.
@@elamplough1 The Duchess disapproved of her husband's Hanoverian relatives. She especially did not get on with William IV, and she thought that Victoria was heiress-apparent (she was actually heiress-presumptive).
Does anyone know how the video seems to get squashed/extended vertcally when they change the focus between two characters in the foreground and background? I've seen it in some films and the only conclusion I can come to is that they extend the video vertically in post to create that effect. Know what I'm talking about?
William was never intended to be king, he was grossly unprepared for it having been put in the navy by his father king George. George didn’t believe in mollycoddling his kids (16 of them I believe off one woman). William was started out low in the navy and George’s instructions were to treat him as a normal sailor. This lead to William having no social graces or manners whatsoever and he tended to swear like, well, a sailor lol. William’s mistress of 25 years, Dorothea Jordon, a woman he recognized as his wife in all but name, an actress who gave him a dozen children and who he lived with and acknowledged he dropped like a stone when the crown became his. She died in abject poverty and obscurity after he married the German princess Adelaide. Much to her great sorrow, she was never able to carry a child to full term. Several pregnancies ended in miscarriage.
No. King William is played by Jim Broadbent. Bilbo Baggins was played by Ian Holm. Both well known English actors, but definitely not the same person :-)
Not a historian, but William's speech and the events of this banquet are well attested, even the reactions of some of the people there. The film did take liberties on this particular scene in that: the Duchess of Kent was seated on William's right and Victoria was directly across him; Victoria burst into tears after the speech; and the Duchess didn't leave: in fact, she stayed for the entire dinner to avoid further scandal, leaving only when the other guests had done so.
@@noseofsauron236 And Melbourne was an old man, with a somewhat fatherly relationship with Victoria. Also, Leopold hated the Kensington System just as much as William did.
King William did launch a tirade at the Duchess of Kent, but the Duchess did not storm out, she sat there silently with flaming cheeks. Victoria burst into tears. At this King William appeared to realise that he had gone too far, and sat back down again. Victoria and her mother did not leave Kensington Palace until the next morning.
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@@nandaarmando5815 Kate would most likely have physical custody. The Regency Acts specify that the next adult in the line of succession who is resident in the UK would be regent. Harry is the next adult, but he is not in the UK right now. After him is Andrew--but Parliament might not accept him as Regent, given his current legal situation. Then there is Andrew's elder daughter, Beatrice.
i mean his family was also weird asf 😂 his own nephew did this in his own marriage.... basically he married the richest heiress in England, he squandered her money sold her house and now target their young sons to tap into part of their inheritance and wealth, the duke stepped in and cared for his young sons away after the heiress died young
The way he was looking around the room before he stood up. Is he drunk, old or is he supposed to be implied to have inherited some of his fathers peculiarities - which I'm never exactly sure of because people say different things about him
I suppose he was in pain. He was dying of a cardiovascular issue, you know. When his vision started blurring, maybe he realized it was time to make his opinion heard. He may have been affectionately nicknamed 'Silly Billy', but he wasn't a fool.
So glad her uncle, the King, made it clear that he supported Victoria being Queen.
He disliked the idea of a Regency--especially since it was the Duchess of Kent who would be the Regent.
As to "supporting" the idea of Victoria becoming King, William had nothing to do with it. Parliament set the succession.
It's almost word for word historically accurate too!😊
I absolutely love this scene. Although a small role, Jim Broadbent played a colossal and excellent KING WILLIAM THE IV!!!---I love how he speaks so lovingly and tenderly to his niece Victoria and then when he talks about her mother, he starts getting louder and then shouts "MY BROTHER'S CHILD!!...I AM KING!!!!" William grew up with his father George the III and his brother George the IV and knew how to rule with an iron fist if needed. I always loved this scene!!! :)
Agreed!!!
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve!"
That would be intresting at court! Just dissapear
@@hecate3062 "For it is, of course, also the birthday of my heir and nephew, Frodo. He comes of age and into his inheritance today...I wish to make an announcement! I regret to announce that- though, as I said, eleventy-one years is far too short a time to spend among you- this is the END! I am going. I am leaving NOW! GOODBYE!"
Well said.
LOVE this scene! I remember reading in a biography about Queen Victoria that her uncle King William IV was absolutely determined to live until Victoria's 18th birthday, in order to ensure that the dowager Duchess of Kent would not be Regent - and he did! The King lived to see his niece's 18th birthday and died a few months later, content in the knowledge that he had denied his sister-in-law the Regency!
He died three weeks after Victoria's 18th Birthday, King William IV stubbornly and with steely determination held on because he despised Conroy and the Duchess and knew the Duchess was merely Conroy's puppet
The old king did survive long enough to pass the crown to his 18 year old niece.
Thankfully, by only a few weeks.
Still, if how the movie portrayed the duchess is true, then he did a great deed by merely living.
@@samanthasmith61Albert did work towards reconciliation--and succeeded.
2:11 William IV knew he didn't have much time left so he figured "by god I'm gonna make it clear to that wench who calls the shots in this kingdom before I kick the bucket"!
True! Also, he was in pain and wanted to unload it on a 'deserving' party.
William IV always stands out to be as an interesting figure in British history, being the son of "The Mad King of England" ( George III ) and the death of his older brother George IV... William IV was an unexpected king, but he was a good one, the way I see it, he definitely made Victoria's Reign a lot easier, with the Slavery Abolotion and Factory Acts of 1833, to help abolish colonial slavery and child labor in the United Kingdom.
While at the same time his slight sense of "anger and madness" did make him seem like a controversial figure, especially with his outburst in this video, as that really happened in history, to me he was while the shortest reigned, but one of the greatest reigning kings in the House of Hanover
@@gidzmobug2323 because he loved his niece and she was his heir.
King William got wind of what was REALLY going on at Kensington palace (Servants do talk!): the Duchess of Kent, and her lover Sir John Conroy, were trying to force Victoria, in her sick-bed, to sign a Regency Act Commission (WHICH SHE DID...NOT!).
The King also found out that Victoria was being abused.
THAT is what pissed the king off, and he rightfully put the Duchess on blast for her and Conroy's mistreatment of Princess Victoria.
Jean Williams not only that, he found out that Victoria mother at the time completely changed 7 rooms with out the king permission .
Gabriela Card i heard 17 rooms
The Duchess paid a high price for what she did when Victoria became Queen. Victoria effectively banished her to the other end of Buckingham Palace and refused to meet with her. And since the Duchess basically snubbed majority of the Royal family when Victoria was growing up I doubt any of them bothered with her. She was probably a very lonely woman for those years of estrangement from Victoria she was lucky Prince Albert intervened and managed to build bridges between them.
They all knew, and it infuriated them. Why do you think Baroness Lezhen was able to keep her job as Victoria's governess, even though she was always fighting the Duchess and Conroy's attempts to bully the princess into being their puppet, as well as encouraging her to stand up for herself? It's because the rest of the Royal Family (including William's predecessor and older brother, King George IV) wouldn't let them dismiss her.
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 And Conroy packed off to Ireland.
Im glad he lives until her 18 birthday
William really said all this. Good on him. Even better, he succeeded in his self-proclaimed endeavor.
And probably wished he'd said it MUCH sooner!
I think both William and his wife wanted to appease Victoria’s mother for Victoria’s sake. By this time William was just FED UP with the nonsense.
@@amasion2882 totally agree the Duchess did really piss him off continually. He and Adelaide tried to have more contact with Victoria but the Duchess blocked it and defied the King as much as she dared, she took rooms that were reserved for the King without permission. Then when he became King the Duchess and Conroy took Victoria on an unoffical royal tour round the country again without permission of the King which basically was the equivalent of giving him the middle finger. Yet when he finally retaliated and humiliated her she stormed out in a rage that he dared speak to her like that. She deserved everything that came her way when Victoria became Queen she was lucky all she got was banishment to the opposite end of Buckingham Palace she deserved to be cut off financially and booted out on her arse
Lucifer666 : I’ve always felt badly for King William. He and Adelaide were childless and it appears they truly loved Victoria and desired a close family relationship with her as well as a political one. I empathize with the Duchess of Kent in that she was an unpopular foreigner who genuinely feared for Victoria’s safety. She went too far and under Conroy’s influence she isolated and abused Victoria and ultimately deprived her of opportunities for a closer relationship with her English family.
It also explains Victoria’s close psychological dependence on Lord Melbourne. If Melbourne hadn’t been such a faithful subject and ally to Victoria things could have gone very badly.
@@amasion2882 totally agree. King William and Adelaide did have children but they died in infancy. William had something like 10 kids out of wedlock and to be fair to him he did support and was involved in their lives even Adelaide apparently loved his children. The Duchess I get was an unpopular foreigner so I get that she may have been misunderstood at first but she went way to far with her behaviour towards Victoria and the rest of the royal family but she paid the ultimate price in her later years when Victoria effectively had her moved as far away as possible from her once she was Queen
I love the way William IV absolutely lets the Duchess of Kent have it with both barrels, then just sat back down without so much as a by-you-leave and sipped his drink like a total boss. Like he'd said, he was the King, and to hell with that they thought. That expression on his face at 4:25 pretty much sums it all up LOL.
What William said was a long time coming. The Duchess had continually flouted him any chance she could. He was especially peeved that Victoria was being kept from Court--after all, she was heiress-presumptive.
The Duchess of Kent has a right cheek storming out and even saying to him that she would be happy in a lodge if people were polite to her yet she snubbed most of the royal family and repratedly insulted and pissed of King William! Good on him for letting her have it with both barrels she deserved it just like she deserved her banishment when Victoria became Queen. I find it hard to have any sympathy for her.
It’s good to be King!! Bravo to him for unloading on that foolish woman!! I love the way the King slaps the Queen’s hand when she tries to stop him while he was on a roll! Hahahahaha! I love it!! He should have ordered his footmen to keep her from walking out and sit her a$$ back down. Epic!!
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88The Duchess did not get on with William and his brothers at all. The Duchess did not approve of their ways--yet she married one of them (Edward, the Duke of Kent).
@@gidzmobug2323 if I'm not mistaken the duchess was a princess in her kingdom so she has this entitled attitude. The King and his brothers doesn't like her attitude
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"And not...."
At that moment there were likely numerous people that silently thought...."uh oh" when he started in...
Like the Duchess did! (watch when everyone's rising). And watch the servants after....
Queen Adelaide was like "Please, Please don't...oh fuck, he's going there"
I don't understand why lately they make Melbourne much younger and handsome and flirting with Victoria. Melbourne was an old man who was fatherly with her
People wanted a who will she choose story, though history has already spoiled that ending for them...
I think this one by being historically accurate was being historically inaccurate. Like by making this scene, they also made Victoria almost 6 feet and did it where conroy physically laid hands on her.
I mean at least they did better than Victoria where Victoria has some weird Oedipus complex towards him where she loves him like a father and a lover, whereas in real life he was what her father could’ve been and what conroy could’ve been if he wasn’t bullying her.
I think Rufus Sewell for that lol
msinvincible2000 I don’t think they changed his age just chose a younger actor for the eyes of the viewers, the storyline of him retiring from politics is not long after she became Queen both in real life and in the film, within 5 years.
The Duchess of Kent leaving like that was something one did not do at Court.
Jory Adamson William IV did not get on well with the Duchess. Queen Adelaide (who accepted William's ten illegitimate children as her own) sometimes had the difficult task of smoothing things over. In fact, the Duchess did not like his family at all, and had it not been for Victoria possibly being Queen, I think she would have gone back to Coburg after her husband's death.
Not the right thing to do, but then again, she’s family after all.
It can't be proven if the Duchess of Kent left the table in a panic like that but this speech definitely happened. The latter half may be made up but it is known that when he addressed the court nine months before Victoria's 18th birthday, William IV did indeed say that he was determined to prolong his life for a few months longer, for "I should then have the satisfaction of leaving the royal authority to the personal exercise of that young lady ... and not in the hands of the person now near me, who is surrounded by evil designs and who is herself incompetent to act with propriety in the station in which she would be placed." He didn't mince his words.
I'm sure that the Duchess didn't recognize the King's power over her. As she strongly believe that she's a German Princess, not a British Subject.
I like to think she was influenced by conroy. He might’ve said “Adelaide and William want to steal your daughter. Don’t let them!” which is why she ignored them.
I do remember reading that when Victoria was a tween, she got parliament to agree to make her regent in the event that Victoria ascended the throne young. Same applies to Adelaide in the event she had a child young, since she was 20 while her husband was almost 50.
Just the duchess of Kent was regent for her son before she married Victoria’s father, so it was pretty much a win win for her.
I like how the king sips his drink when hes done 😂
Like a total boss, as one already said...
Jim broadbent playing a Royal is always a good time
Drunk king...gets up and appears to be giving a toast or speech...but then just launchers into an epic pissed off rant...ruining the mood of the entire banquet.
I want a movie just about that dude and his various dinner parties lol
Only the English would seemed shocked by this out burst. That's like every Sunday dinner at my Italian-Irish American family.....at the kiddie table. "I HAVE BEEN INSULTED!" 😂🇮🇹🇺🇸
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So relatable I am half Italian and we are always yelling about.
The English ave their moments
@@cappygolucky Apparently they do!😆
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Victoria's mother needed that to be said.
But maybe not so publicly.
In real life, Victoria burst into tears after her uncle finished his tirade against her mother. I wished they had kept that. By not including that bit, it makes Victoria seem very cold-hearted, like she didn’t care about her mother at all
To be fair she hated her mother’s regime - even if Conroy was the puppet master
@@lefinlay her mother still colluded in the Kensington system even if it was Conroy's idea. The Duchess was incredibly stupid to sit back and allow Conroy to abuse her daughter but she did pay a high price for all she did, when Victoria became Queen she had her mother's apartment as far away from her as possible and she refused to see or speak to her and because she snubbed most of the royal family when Victoria was little I doubt they bothered with her once Victoria was older and became Queen. Her lonely apartment in Buckingham Palace must have felt very isolated karma is a bitch its a shame Victoria didn't cut her off financially and kick her out on her arse with Conroy because I would have done exactly that good riddance the old witch would have served her right!
She didn't burst out crying, but her eyes were definitely tearing up at the end of this clip
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 Victori wrote she wished she would visit her mother sooner or something. Albert did try to tell Victoria to reconcile with her mother/ his aunt. but she clearly ignored it but then regret it when her mother was on her death bed, mother and daughter both quite weird
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88you misunderstand the reason for the Kensington system. Victoria was next in line to the throne. She had royal uncles who also had legitimate children albeit younger than her but still in line to the throne. The movie is wrong in saying she was the only heir. Some of these uncles and their wives were pretty ruthless and wouldn’t stop at an “accident “ befalling young Victoria. This is why she had no playmates and was kept from court and it’s intrigue and was NEVER left alone. Too dangerous! Had her mother brought her to court king William would’ve immediately took control of the girl and possibly sent the mother away. It was out of an abundance of caution and yes LOVE that the mother allowed herself to be controlled by Conroy. Women were raised to be subservient to the men in their lives remember. Conroy of course wanted to rule behind the throne. All the blame for Victoria’s stunted education and social development is placed squarely in his lap. He fed the mother’s fears to achieve his own goals. Victoria naturally blamed them both for her unhappy childhood.
I love this scene. I have been to Arundel Castle, I believe that is where this was filmed. Really good.
That’s right King Willy the 4th lay down the law !!!!
This movie is perfect from beginging to end..
King William IV said what he said.
The posh is excruciating
I believe what you are describing is an effect of rack focusing using anamorphic lenses
This scene and the one prior to this was absolutely amazing to watch Jim Broadbent is a phenomenal actor I love this film seen it many times Emily Blunt deserved an Oscar nomination ❤
The only thing that could make this scene better is if somebody stood up and yelled "fuck outta here, bitch!" as she was running away from the dinner table...lol
As if anyone would do that in 1800's England. "Blast" would get you hauled before the district magistrate, and "Goddamn" was considered fainting-worthy obscene language.
Jim Broadbent is a great actor! And yeah, there are some good racks on display.
Professor Slughorn really chewed the scenery!!! 😉
I do not think that anyone saw that coming from the King--especially not his Queen.
l wish there had been a televised recording of king william iv
And i wish there was a televised recording of Jesus
Amiin Omer Only about 100 years too early for that
Only about 60 years really
Either you waltzed at *Buckingham Palace* or else you were doing the _Twist_ down at the *Workhouse.* (Hope you enjoyed my Dickensian reference!). That aside, this time period fascinates me and this movie has some great acting in it! I have become far too accustomed to Jenna Coleman's brilliant Victoria however...
What did it say about Windsor Castle because that’s where this scene took place 😊
@@courtneywilliams5565 Windsor Castle is said to have a 1000 rooms! So perhaps it wasn't wrong for the mother of the next monarch to request 17 rooms for the visitation to the King's banquet.
Has anyone seen the German film called Victoria in Dover starring Romy Schneider? They portrayed Lord Melbourne as an elderly man accurately! Secondly, could someone kindly post Conroy’s expulsion?
Lord Melbourne younger. brother was said to be hot when he is 60.. and married a girl 30 years younger than him. Lord Melbourne was 56 or 57 at this time, he still looks not that elderly.
I'm from Melbourne,Victoria.I would've loved to have met both Victoria and Melbourne at the same time/''So where are you from?''.
¡Zing!
Adelaide is named from the Queen (William IV's wife, the one in magenta)
Lol, YOU
I'm from Melbourne, Victoria as well, and I live in Albert Park! I got the trifecta!
I never noticed as a child that Melbourne was manipulating victoria - really it was more from a fatherly role model she lacked but thats fine. Still shows his intentions.
The real Melbourne was old enough to be Victoria's father, but he was no less cutthroat than any other politician--which is why he didn't fall from grace IRL.
i doubt that very much, he never become a father in that sense, his only child was mentally disturbed and had died, he even standby his wife who from description was kinda of insane, she has affair with Duke of Wellington, later a scandalous affair with poet Lord Byron, after he eventually discarded her, she broke a glass and threatened to cut her wrist in the middle of a party thrown by Duke of Wellington, this shocked the society. even after all this he still defend his wife.... lol so he has soft spot for women or a child since he didn't have one anymore i guess.
Manipulating how?
he didn't manipulate her! it was in her best interest as well as his in a way, the friend he introduced to Victoria became her long life friend, this friend was Duchess of Sutherland, even without Melbourne influence, she was from the top of the top Aristocrats, Queen Victoria said that she had come from her house to her palace ( Lancaster House )
@@samanthasmith61now that's some manipulation right there smh
I am guessing the "jagged ape" that William refers to is that mean, controlling bastard John who kicked Victoria's cute little dog.
Not "jagged ape". It was "jackanapes", basically, a scalliwag (or a few other words you can't use in front of the children).
@@gidzmobug2323 Okay Katheryne. It sounded so much like he said jagged ape but thanks for correcting me.
@@xyPERSON It would sound like that because of the echo. The frame shows William farther down the table as the Duchess walks out. at that point.
Reminds me of my fiancé’s mother. She’s just like princess Victoria’s mother.
Run.
I always wondered why William IV. allowed his sister-in-law to keep Victoria from court anyway. As King he would've certainly had the authority to force her to bring his niece to court and have her prepared for her role as Queen.
His great-great-grandfather George I. for example had a strained relationship with his son and because of this had a law passed that made the monarch legal guardian of their grandchildren (that law is still in effect, which is why Charles III. is officially the legal guardian of William's and Harry's children). I'm pretty sure William IV. could've done something similar and place his niece, the heir presumptive, under his guardianship.
At this point in the movie, Victoria is close to the age of majority. Had William lived longer than than he did, he might have offered Victoria her own place and a standing invitation to Court.
I think he and Adelaide might have been trying for a peaceful solution for years.
I love this scene Jim broadbent is magnificent. The movie was great and Emily blunt was equally magnificent
4:22 sips drink* that felt good
The duchess really was awful. She really isolated Victoria from her own family. Victoria wasnt allowed to meet with her Aunts and Uncles. Even thinking about if it happend in modern times its terrible, even moreso because she isolated Victoria to control her and to gain power.
they eventually reconciled though after Queen Victoria had her first child and they had a nice life together, her children regularly visited their grandmother in Frogmore very near to Windsor castle.
Victoria blamed it all on Conroy and Lezhen but the duchess took some of the blame.. when she died Victoria regret that she didn't mend things sooner
@@angelabby2379 they did but it's still terrible how they isolated her so they would be able to control her.
professor slughorn
maester of Oldtown
also Rita Skeeter (Victoria, Duchess of Kent)
And Lady Shackleton if you watch Downton abbey or Clementine Churchill if you watched the crown
Professor Digory Kirke (the professor in Narnia)
Any man who must say I am the king is no true king
He said that I am King to show that Victoria mother was disrespecting his Kingship in regards to Victoria not seeing him more. From the previous comments this is what the actual King said in real life.
Good for him!!
He sure had reasons to hate the Duchess of Kent. She'd ostentatiously kept Victoria clear of the royal bastards, snubbed Queen Adelaide and now, by this point, was becoming overbearing and nakedly ambitious with the prospect of power. Serve her right.
Also keep in mind that she more or less emotionally abused Victoria because her advisor told her to. She was basically a prisoner so that she and conroy could rule through her.
@@elamplough1 The Duchess disapproved of her husband's Hanoverian relatives. She especially did not get on with William IV, and she thought that Victoria was heiress-apparent (she was actually heiress-presumptive).
@@gidzmobug2323 the onky thing she got right; those Hanoverian relatives were the reasons why V&A were so strict on morality
Victoria's mother didn't want her to be around the hanoverians lest they think she has the same get drunk go mad genes
Lol...even Julian fellowes couldn't make that shit up
why would Julian Fellowes make this up
1. William's outburst was recorded, as was everybody's reactions
2. Julian Fellowes is involved in this film
Jokes aside, that rack focus is actually pretty fire.
Does anyone know how the video seems to get squashed/extended vertcally when they change the focus between two characters in the foreground and background? I've seen it in some films and the only conclusion I can come to is that they extend the video vertically in post to create that effect. Know what I'm talking about?
Spektrik That is the rack focus...
William was never intended to be king, he was grossly unprepared for it having been put in the navy by his father king George. George didn’t believe in mollycoddling his kids (16 of them I believe off one woman). William was started out low in the navy and George’s instructions were to treat him as a normal sailor. This lead to William having no social graces or manners whatsoever and he tended to swear like, well, a sailor lol. William’s mistress of 25 years, Dorothea Jordon, a woman he recognized as his wife in all but name, an actress who gave him a dozen children and who he lived with and acknowledged he dropped like a stone when the crown became his. She died in abject poverty and obscurity after he married the German princess Adelaide. Much to her great sorrow, she was never able to carry a child to full term. Several pregnancies ended in miscarriage.
It’s a rowan Atkinson short of being a great blackadder scene
Poor King he's 🤴 seen the end of the road! My goodness he's intoxicated and with a little focusing oh my! 🥸🧐🥂🇬🇧
well done your majesty !!!!!!!!!!
He said what he said !
There's no eng subs and the music is too loud and they are mumbling than speaking. Seriously what are they doing there?
Why does TH-cam keep pushing this in my feed?
She had that coming
Brilliant, no one f@@ked with him
If only Harrison Ford had said that to Disney and Kathleen Kennedy.
“I than kyew foryurgoowijjezhonmabuthday”
Took me minute to realize what that title said 😂
I don't know how accurate this scene is, but as far as Royals go; I think William the fourth, fifth or whatever was underrated.
Pretty sure he's IV.
@@winternow2242 Thanks
Definitely underrated simply because the Hanoverians were despised in England. People loved to mix him up with his extravagant brother George IV.
@@jjh2456 Yeah, I saw that painting of him . .
@@jjh2456 didn't George III eventually have a positive reception from the British?
i close my eyes and i just hear a timetravelled Vision
Any man who must say I am king is no true king.
did he call Conroy a Jacobin or a jacobite?
He called him a "jackanape". Whatever that means.
@@Lyla927 jackanape was the bastard/asshat/fucker of the 19th century
@@yooringonghan Thanks for the definition!!😄 lol
My brother has succsesfull came back to life after he was died when i was 13 or 12
Hurrah for Old Nosey!
The actor playing King William -is that the same one who played Bilbo Baggins in LOTR?
John Miller No.This is Horace Slughorn (Jim Broadbent) from Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince.
@@izabelak75 And Boss Tweed from Gangs of New York.
No. King William is played by Jim Broadbent. Bilbo Baggins was played by Ian Holm. Both well known English actors, but definitely not the same person :-)
Was this actual fact? Please, is there any historian over there?
Not a historian, but William's speech and the events of this banquet are well attested, even the reactions of some of the people there. The film did take liberties on this particular scene in that: the Duchess of Kent was seated on William's right and Victoria was directly across him; Victoria burst into tears after the speech; and the Duchess didn't leave: in fact, she stayed for the entire dinner to avoid further scandal, leaving only when the other guests had done so.
@@noseofsauron236 And Melbourne was an old man, with a somewhat fatherly relationship with Victoria. Also, Leopold hated the Kensington System just as much as William did.
King William did launch a tirade at the Duchess of Kent, but the Duchess did not storm out, she sat there silently with flaming cheeks. Victoria burst into tears. At this King William appeared to realise that he had gone too far, and sat back down again. Victoria and her mother did not leave Kensington Palace until the next morning.
Not the rack i expected
Interesting
Impressive!
wow no comments!
era mucho trabajo la traducción¿¿¿¿¿
Was expecting rack, didn't get rack.
SAYA RITA KURNIAWATI,, DENGAN DASAR KEBENARAN FITRAH KETUHANANKU. ALLAH SWT
SAYAAA AKAN MEMPERSIAPKAN DIRI MENGANGKAT SENJATA MEMBERIKAN KALIAN RASA KIAMAT TANPA HENTI !!
Oh I love it
0:13 and 0:32 what are they eating?
Not nearly enough focus on racks to suit me
Ya.. aku akan mempersiapkan diri utk perang besar melawan kalian semua .
Tentu saja
Rack focus.....?
SAYA RITA KURNIAWATI,
AKAN MEMPERSIAPKAN PERANG BESAR MENGHADAPI KALIAN SEMUA !!!
William V will be kinder to his sister-in-law
William V won't have to worry about the prospect of his sister in law becoming Acting Regent as he will be suceeded by his own son King George VII.
@@rickardnyberg4899 If George comes to the throne as a minor, Harry (the next adult in line) becomes Regent.
Hopefully, his sister in-law will be Queen consort of Canada
@@gidzmobug2323 I thought the regency will going to kate instead.
@@nandaarmando5815 Kate would most likely have physical custody. The Regency Acts specify that the next adult in the line of succession who is resident in the UK would be regent.
Harry is the next adult, but he is not in the UK right now. After him is Andrew--but Parliament might not accept him as Regent, given his current legal situation. Then there is Andrew's elder daughter, Beatrice.
I didn't really like Lord Melbourne in this movie
Yv eb 09 😙
Ah what do they mean by “rack focus” :p
I came here looking for royal tit
@@peterward4005 hahahaha hahahaha
I believe that was camera focusing terms.
King: "...so that I may pass the royal authority directly to that young lady..."
Courtiers: 🙂
King: "...and not to the hands..."
Courtiers: 😬
This made me laugh out loud for like a full minute 😂
He told her off!
The servers were enjoying the drama lol
I think is like every British Christmas Day 😂
0:13 and 0:32 what are they eating?
blancmange and drank apple juice
One grape and gruel
The mortified look on the Queen’s face is so genuine. That actress really delivered a great performance.
Barry Sabahat that's Emily blunt
Kylie North pretty sure they are talking about the actress playing Queen Adelaide the woman next to William
@@P3891 quite. Harriet Walter really is an amazing actress. She was great in The Crown as Clementine Churchill.
@@alexander9703 And In The Spanish Princess as Margaret Beaufort. Every time I see her, I know I'm in for an excellent performance.
@@alexander9703She was marvelous in "Sense and Sensibility" too, as the comically snotty sister-in-law!
LOL'd at Duke of Wellington's comment: "Families. Who'd be without them?"
I need to show this scene to my Mom and Dad as we have been at odds.
i mean his family was also weird asf 😂 his own nephew did this in his own marriage.... basically he married the richest heiress in England, he squandered her money sold her house and now target their young sons to tap into part of their inheritance and wealth, the duke stepped in and cared for his young sons away after the heiress died young
Anyone else going on a monarchy movie/drama binge
I'm eagerly awaiting for "The Crown" season 3 & the "Downton Abbey" movie!
Damn, the camera work in this film is sublime!
For Wellington to accuse an officer of brutality, The Duke Of Kent must have been an absolute monster.
He was the Prince Philip of his time
That was ultimate mic drop moment 😂🤙
The King was right.
I always enjoy Jim Broadbent. Versatile actor.
What does the title mean? I dont understand it
The way he was looking around the room before he stood up. Is he drunk, old or is he supposed to be implied to have inherited some of his fathers peculiarities - which I'm never exactly sure of because people say different things about him
I suppose he was in pain. He was dying of a cardiovascular issue, you know. When his vision started blurring, maybe he realized it was time to make his opinion heard. He may have been affectionately nicknamed 'Silly Billy', but he wasn't a fool.
Happy birthday to Queen 👑 Victoria her Birth Card is Eight 🎱 of Club Blessings and Hugs 💖🤗🙏🤗🙏🤗🙏🤗🙏🤗🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏!
What's the music heard during the dinner?
It's Walzer a la Paganini by Strauss