Throne and Liberty: BEST PvP Class! Tier List for Large & Mid-Scale PvP + Positioning Guide

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  • @Nellyjai
    @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Anyone playing any non S-tier builds? What are your thoughts on where your weapon combos should be placed. Remember this is only my opinion ^___^

    • @SnowCookiez
      @SnowCookiez 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Bow/Dagg

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@SnowCookiez If I wasn't playing SnS/GS my next build would 100% be Bow/Dagger, in terms of a fun tier list I put this as SS tier xD. Also in the small skirmishes its super strong with lots of potential for out playing your opponent

    • @Daupz
      @Daupz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I will be going Staff/Xbow.
      I think people are really clueless putting this combo so low on all tierlists.
      This combo can have insane range/magic evasions with staff+xbow active skill buffs while being able to completely ignore melee defenses as you have full CC removal for stun+full heal of the dmg dealt in that initial second of reaction.
      4 dashes makes this the best kiting class in the game, xbow dash increases staff dash range by 20% as well.
      Completely insane AOE damage with spread lightinings/meteor and xbow spin while having the same if not better single target dmg output.
      It's just a DPS wet dream, I'm confused how nobody can see that.

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @Daupz very good points you're bringing there.
      Based around the position part of my explanation, staff/xbow can play flank or backline, in the flanks you will be skirmishing (looking for a chance to hit blobs of squishys) and without the dagger stealth reset or the GS tankiness I believe this puts this weapon combo on the back foot, especially with them pesky gs/daggers looking for you.
      If this was to be played on the backline, i fear it lacks the range to be able to hit past the enemy tank blob (heading your way), and into their squishys at the back, something the tornado and flash waves do well at. Based on that, I put it lower on the list.
      Without a doubt, if you're very experienced and can position well (Or react quickly with your clense) to do damage, it is that DPS wet dream you speak off. I just think for the average player that might be bit harder to pull off.

    • @Zedh1982
      @Zedh1982 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wanna play with a dagger skill.. what is the best combo for u?ty

  • @Gleandra
    @Gleandra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This is the best tier list video I have seen yet, because it's well explained. I look forward to more of your insights for different scenarios. You should keep doing these. :)

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the feedback buddy. These types of comments always give me motivation to keep going 🫡 much love

  • @mayainverse9429
    @mayainverse9429 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    i really hate it when games pigeon hole you into a specific build beforee u even start playing without any game knowledge and heavily punishes respecs so u need to somehow know everything about the game before logging in

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think it’s rough defo! But I think the whole researching and theory crafting is super interesting too, rather than getting you set gear and going for it

    • @gth4028
      @gth4028 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and also u have to choose 2 weapons... I really hated that in new world and hate that in tl too

    • @MInorek5
      @MInorek5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bro.. literally watch a 5 min video to get an idea, or go blind. I went blind Greatsword Daggers and im having so muuuch fun

    • @Lancerzor
      @Lancerzor หลายเดือนก่อน

      What’s worse is play whatever you want it’s all viable. I played bow/xbow. Guess what sucks at large scale zvz. Wish I did some research and found videos like this. Gonna try to swap to bow dagger but I’m so far into a specialization and this game is unforgiving in changing weapons.

    • @Legion852
      @Legion852 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the internet did that not the game..... before we had all these people showing you hey this is S tier we just had to figure it out

  • @VextGamingEU
    @VextGamingEU 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    First tier list ive seen accurately state the impact dagger wand has in largescale nor just small scale :)

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      A good wand/dagger can control the fight in large scale.

  • @workappropriate3024
    @workappropriate3024 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    good video my dude. Most other channels are farming views and just reading skill descriptions, which is extremely pointless. This type of content is much more insightful

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Appreciate the comment buddy and thanks for dropping by

  • @dissonantchaos7724
    @dissonantchaos7724 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bow/staff is the most fun playstyle i love mowing people down from the back. The damage is INSANE

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dissonantchaos7724 flash wave heaven in mass PvP.

  • @joukgaming
    @joukgaming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Like the format and agree with majority of the placements. All in all very solid take

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Appreciate the feedback and comment bro! Much love

  • @timothybrannen9760
    @timothybrannen9760 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    People getting pushed away from the whole chosing weapons deal, its not bad at all. I spent the first day maybe even less testing weapons out to see what fits my playstyle.

  • @sergiolongo6426
    @sergiolongo6426 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great video! Thank you! I´d love to see a similar video about small scale pvp and 1v1.

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for the support! With regards to small scale pvp / duels, anything with a dagger becomes stronger. The SnS + 'x' is roughly the same in those regards. The big change from S Tier is that Bow/Staff drops significantly when you're not protected. Rest is more or less the same give or take.

    • @sergiolongo6426
      @sergiolongo6426 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Nellyjai Thank you for the info!

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Anytime buddy

  • @liquidbotanorama3786
    @liquidbotanorama3786 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    top tier content brother! thank you.

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Appreciate the support bro, much love

  • @SnowCookiez
    @SnowCookiez 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    wow, thats something different and I like it

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Appreciate the support and feedback, much love buddy

  • @phantomx2003
    @phantomx2003 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the visual of the placements on the battlefield. Thanks!

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Appreciate it bro 👊 I found it difficult at the start and just thought what I’d like to see. Glad it was helpful

  • @brajjuu
    @brajjuu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Excellent work, firstly a hello from Brazil
    I found the GS/Wand Build VERY interesting, but I won't choose it because I will definitely be excluded from the main guilds, people are only accepting META Builds
    UNFORTUNATELY

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Obrigado Buddy. I think if you can prove you can play that build to high standard guilds might be okay with taking you :D Depends on how competitive the guild is i guess.

    • @full0fpestilence250
      @full0fpestilence250 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Fk it I’m running it idc if the top guilds don’t take me I will become the top guilds

  • @ShinTwoPointOh
    @ShinTwoPointOh หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    im realllly struggling to pick between staff/dagger and GS/dagger! I used to do loads of pvp on WoW and im unsure if any of it carries over in the form of similarities but i mained rogue and mage

    • @williamrivera23
      @williamrivera23 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Let me know what you decide…I’m in the same dilemma 😅.

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gs/dagger is defo more like you rogue build, however its harder to reset. I think Staff/dagger is super strong with lots of out play potential in those mid to large scale pvp. Either choice you go with it'll be good.

    • @ShinTwoPointOh
      @ShinTwoPointOh หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Nellyjai thank you for the reply! im leaning towards staff dagger tbh!

    • @ShinTwoPointOh
      @ShinTwoPointOh หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@williamrivera23 lol! staff dagger friend!

  • @studzi7892
    @studzi7892 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m having a mid life crisis trying to decide between GS/Dagger and Bow/Dagger

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      xD we were all there at one point. I had to put pros and cons on one side and envision which one I'd like to play more.... I decide sns/gs over bow/dagger... Bow dagger is prettycool ngl.... now i'm starting to have second thoughts!

  • @realWorsin
    @realWorsin 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I play both Bow Staff and Wand Staff and I think both of them are equal.
    Bow Staff has more dps but Staff Wand has so damn much healing it makes you very hard to kill.

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think anything with Bow will be more dominate in large scale pvp now, just because of flash wave meta :(

  • @IshimotoGaming
    @IshimotoGaming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love your content @nellyjai could you make a video for players who will be just starting the game in the west for best classes to learn the game on while able to do pvp?

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much for your support ❤️ Gun to my head had to pick a class to learn the game in PvP - Bow/Dagger or Staff/Dagger. You have escapes incase you mess up positioning (As you might as a newer player), and you have range pew pew, so you don't have to get too close. But I would strongly suggest you pick a class you like, the game is a long one, so make sure you're playing something you enjoy. If you haven't already check out the "Which Class To Play" guide I've created here - th-cam.com/video/vrPJMtrqJYc/w-d-xo.html

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @IshimotoGaming I'll look for some time this week to do a overall new play friendly class tierlist. Great idea

  • @shadykillas6964
    @shadykillas6964 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you feel this list needs updated now that we have info on the skill changes going into launch as well as the CC immunity system

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you're referring to the skill specialisations then this tier list takes those into account. This is based of the current KR version which I believe should be the global version.

    • @shadykillas6964
      @shadykillas6964 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Nellyjai If what we are getting for Global is the same as KR that's good. I was just looking at news post from yesterday, skill changes to weapons that they announced (maybe to make it inline with KR) and the CC immunity system (not sure if that is in KR or not).

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The skill system they talk about in yesterdays post I think is to catch OBT to KR which makes sense for people that didn't play KR, their last impression would be no skill specialisations. The CC immunity thing I don't believe is something we've seen, and as a result have no idea how that would play until it comes out. In all fairness, the rankings I gave to the weapon combos in the tier list weren't because of the CC it provides (except for GS/daffer), but for other factors. Lets see for global, only 7 days to GO!!!!

    • @shadykillas6964
      @shadykillas6964 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Nellyjai I honestly very much appreciate the multiple replies to my question and the information definitely looking forward to launch and watching your other videos

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@shadykillas6964 Appreciate the support bro. Enjoy global launch :D

  • @chrisgold4562
    @chrisgold4562 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nelly do you have guild ready for the global release?

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup I do :D What about yourself?

    • @chrisgold4562
      @chrisgold4562 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Nellyjai not yet let me get and invite to yours :)

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      You'd have to speak to the leaders at Sovereign, we're still recruiting a few slots on this discord, but it is a hardcore guild so be prepared ;) discord.gg/JbQVBXrY

  • @lesguyse
    @lesguyse หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Could two "lone wolf" players with bow/staff be an effective hit n run kill squad?

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      absolutely fine if no one targets you. The reality is, without a front line, you're just gonna be a punching bag for a melee player.

    • @lesguyse
      @lesguyse หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Nellyjai Is it viable in TL to pick weapons that lend faster leveling and pick your mains at max level?

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @lesguyse it is possible to do that for a faster experience but you’ll want to invest minimally on that “spare” weapon as there’s limited skill books at the start. Personally i don’t think it’s worth the time saved, just do content with a buddy 🫡

  • @Zohangaming95
    @Zohangaming95 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Why is gs dagger worse than sns gs I can’t decide between the 2 which to play my group already has 2 gs sns so I don’t Wana be another gs sns cuz we will be weak when we do pve content but good in pvp
    Is staff bow only good in mass pvp? I’m looking for something good in all pvp. 1v1 3v3 and mass and pve dos but I don’t Wana be getting 1 shot cuz I’m squishy af

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So the tier list is only for large scale pvp, in smaller scale I think GS/dagger and SnS/GS are closer in different. I think if the group already has 2 sns/gs then maybe you'd want ot consider something else. Staff bow is good in large scale but drops in smaller scale as you're reliant on others protecting you. If you want a class that shines in alot of content then bow/dagger could be a choice over staff/bow, or if you want to stick with melee GS/dagger is decent in most content too.

  • @jaredingels
    @jaredingels หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    im happy to see gs+bow at least b tier, people making that combo out to be a troll combo 😆

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean, it is a troll build to some as its not meta. But honestly if you can pull it off and show it working, no one will say anything, the question is will you even get the chance.

  • @jcitizen7649
    @jcitizen7649 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why are you saying SnS staff isnt a tank? I understand SnS/Wand and GS being tankier but how is it not as tanky as SnS/Dagger ? Doesnt this depend on how u build it ?
    Are you saying this based on ur experiences w SnS/Staff builds ?

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think for this take it was trying to find a balance and generalising each build to "fit in a category", ofc you can build any weapon class as a tank and call it a tank, but that wouldn't really help a viewers gain understanding. In general someone that play SnS/Staff will not be on the front line and play as a tankier mage therefore not a tank.
      I have not played SnS/Staff but happy to understand if you think there is a super tanky SnS/Staff build out there I am not aware off.

    • @jcitizen7649
      @jcitizen7649 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Nellyjai The logic is fine and I understand the need to generalize to avoid convoluted messages. That being said, generalizing too much when it comes to playstyles and builds contributes to the mindset that only __ 2 classes could possibly do __ job. For instance, you do mention that this is for GvG but saying that classes besides Sns/GS and SnS/Wand aren't tanks make it difficult for SnS classes besides those two to find parties for content because now nobody believes they can tank at all and then people would be even less willing to consider said classes DPS either.
      And when certain playstyles/builds are denied content by the general playerbase because of misinterpreted generalizations, it discourages players from experimenting with builds and the game ends up sucking the fun associated with build variance both for players playing a class unique to their playstyle and players having different enemies to fight against rather than the same 3 or 4 classes.
      I have a large high ranking guild that I'm apart of on Morokai so it's not an extreme inconvenience to me all the time but I have friends who have this issue while playing off meta builds and its the stance that most players take when picking classes to play. So videos like this are fine because it's still informative but it'd be helpful to be explicit about what certain classes can and can't do OR it'd be helpful to make content addressing off meta/unique playstyles as well.

  • @Syzurp88
    @Syzurp88 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    got a link to a good sns wand build

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey mate, check out maxroll to for starters - here is the filter on all sns/x , so just check out the pve or pvp wand builds - maxroll.gg/throne-and-liberty/build-guides?filter[num][taxonomy]=taxonomies.num&filter[num][value]=tank&filter[classes][taxonomy]=taxonomies.classes&filter[classes][value]=sword-and-shield

  • @SangheliosGaming
    @SangheliosGaming หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you play Dagger/wand in PvE?

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can, but in most groups people will treat you as a healer and not a DPS. If you want to play wand/dagger as a healer, you might be okay though. If you want to play it as DPS, you may find some groups dislike that and might get yourself kicked.

    • @SangheliosGaming
      @SangheliosGaming หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Nellyjai I would play as a healer in groups.

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SangheliosGaming oh then defo sure, wand/dagger is okay in PvE , you get crit passive with your dagger, which also applies to your heals

  • @SABER_Knight-King
    @SABER_Knight-King 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What about Staff/Long Bow? is this not good in your opinion?

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Staff/long bow and bow/staff in my eyes are the same in this regards. S tier for sure :D

  • @Sairento-kun
    @Sairento-kun 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would say skilled Bow/dagger is contender to be S tier. You can do a rly great things with this class, tho ye it's not as easy as Bow/staff

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think any weapon combo with dagger, has huge potential to go hard and get into that S tier. It depends on the person behind the screen though. If I wasn't playing sns/gs i'd defo do bow/dagger.

    • @Sairento-kun
      @Sairento-kun 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Nellyjai Fair point :D

  • @mertillier
    @mertillier 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    dagger is busted, anything paired with it is above A tier there

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agree dagger is busted, but i think in those larger scale fights its doesn't shine as much as the ones i've put in S. If this was a small/mid scale tier list a few things will change.

  • @martinramirez4433
    @martinramirez4433 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    most guilds dont like GS/Daggers tho so people are forced to use a build they dont like just to fit in top guilds sadly but truth

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      our guild is one of the top on the server we run about 5 GS/daggers. So depends on how the guild uses it tbh.

  • @aiman6131
    @aiman6131 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What would be S and A tier for Arena 3V3?

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sns/gs and gs/dagger for sure, then it’s like any weapon combo with dagger. I’d probably put xbow/dagger up there too. Healer is probably wand/staff for that heal, dps and cc.

  • @sixtyninemangler
    @sixtyninemangler หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is an SNS and Staff build feasible? I like the idea of being tanky with flashy long range damage. Wand just doesnt look cool to me.

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is feasible but just not meta. Some hardcore guild may not want to take you because of that

    • @sixtyninemangler
      @sixtyninemangler หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Nellyjai just curious, in what way does it lack? How does it not synergize?

  • @jugglerluvkookie
    @jugglerluvkookie หลายเดือนก่อน

    No staff bow?

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  หลายเดือนก่อน

      bow/staff staff/bow are interchangable in this list , there is a slight nuance to the mastery skills in it.

  • @pinie111
    @pinie111 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Another tier list. let's go.
    Wand dagger is A.
    S tier means if any other class is rerolling to this in your guild, you want that. If your entire guild is nothing but S class combos you should beat a guild of equal skill with less S class combos.
    No way GS bow is same tier as SnS bow though. Gs staff and staff Xbow are same tier imo. The rest I'd agree with.

    • @TheRetrist
      @TheRetrist 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      wtf. so if all (X) my guildmates playing B tier build, then they should beat any guild with X-1 B tier builds and one C tier build. With equal skill and gear. Its obvious like 2+2=4

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lets gooooooo haha!
      Wand Dagger was a hard one for me, thats why its bottom S, almost A. I've just seen some crazy sleeps that live in a special memory for me xD
      I think for me GS/Bow is more like Bow/GS, similiar play to Bow/Dagger, less glass cannon more tanky, also NCSoft spawns us with GS/Bow, they must know something we don't right? ;)

    • @pinie111
      @pinie111 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheRetrist that's the idea behind tier lists is it not ?
      How else are you expressing the combat power of a group of builds ?
      What's the point of a tier list if not to see what's the strongest meta build at the moment ? Lol

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @TheRetrist - In a simulated environment where all possible scenarios that happened were fixed outcomes with no variance, and that my opinion on class tier list was absolute, you'll be right to say that (X)*B > (X-1)*B + C.

    • @mawouel9606
      @mawouel9606 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@pinie111 you still have kind of a simplist take on this.
      It's optimal to have a majority of s tier classes yes but you're probably performing better with some utility roles here and there. For example I'm pretty sure a spread of mostly bow/wand + some staff/wand for peeling and on demand cc performs better than a full clump of bow/wand even if they have better healing output overall.

  • @thehangrybish
    @thehangrybish 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    okeh

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      suspepe

  • @feariingz
    @feariingz หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bow C😂😂😂

  • @BlueXII-12
    @BlueXII-12 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sns/xbow is underrated

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I see the potential with the build, being tanky, good engagement (Dev Smash) with AOE cc, before spinning to win, then dashing out. I've just not seen it too much to be confident to give some more love. One to look out for, for sure!

  • @Qzzz84
    @Qzzz84 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ale glupawa argumentacja

  • @zeuslorne7005
    @zeuslorne7005 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    100% do not agree with this in the least bit lol

    • @Gleandra
      @Gleandra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Why not? It mirrors what everyone else seems to be saying, and it's by far the best elaborated one.

    • @Nellyjai
      @Nellyjai  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @zeuslorne7005 its okay to disagree, what I'm saying is an opinion and not facts ^__^