A 47 year old trad wife came to work at the factory I work at last year. Shed never had to work. Her husband had left her for a 20 something year old. She didnt get the house and was having to sleep on her adult daughters couch. She kept up fine at the factory but once management found out she had some health issues they didnt want to hire her after her 90 days so they let her go. Men will use you and take your best years and then when you age naturally they will trade you in and leave you with as little as they can possibly get away with. You cannot predict 10 15 20 years ahead which ones will do this. Meanwhile even though I work at a low pay factory job making 30k a year I own a home, paid off car, pay my bills up ahead of time. Buy myself a few things when I want. I dont open my legs for a roof and food and hope for the best from the male. There is no bottom to males depravity
eFinism is a cult. 1) Zero tolerance for criticism or questions (blame the men.) 2) Absolute authoritarianism without accountability (Believe all Waman.) 3) Unreasonable fears about the outside world that often involve evil conspiracies and persecutions. (Men must obey us or we divorce them) 4) A belief that former followers are always wrong for leaving (Trad wamman should be shamed.)
"OMG those pesky women are not paying taxes after the value they create at home. We have to empower them at once and give their jobs to government employees and corporate businesses!" *Decades later: "Congratulations, now you need two income sources instead of one to provide for a family."
@IzzyChopChop we arent trying to become like men. We work to keep from having to live with one and or to make sure we can leave ome when he shows his true demonic self
Something similar took place recently in Ukra*ne, where women protested on the street that the government should draft more men, and insulted bypassing men as cowards and alike. Apparently the guys reacted ashamed, what they should not. Unlike the men, who are in danger to get drafted by recruiters, these women could join willingly. But they won't, they want their human shields. And it always will be this way, no one of the western news outlets, now in 2024, reported negatively about them but the men. One should think that at least nowadays there would be a different tone. Eq*ality in women's eyes isn't what you find in the dictionary...
It was similar for me. In Germany, we have a lot of refugees from Ukraine, and they're almost all female or children. I'm not saying it's wrong that this should be the case, but it's remarkable how fast "equality" vanished when it became potentially dangerous. I have no doubt that once the war ends, these same women will be demanding "equal rights" in the rebuilt Ukraine woth no sense of irony.
@Korschtal yeap feminists women want certain rights and access but never wanted equal responsibility. For example... Military draft Family Court The Hard jobs
Fair is a very subjective thing. Given human bias we should expect "fair" to favor the person preposing it. That is why it is a vice instead of virtue.
@@viperstriker4728 ( I agrea with your point about Fairness being subjective) I just don't think that what he said applies to the right to vote subject.The right to vote Is something that You have to earn, when men didn't Work to have that right?.
Oh Lordy, I really wish I heard this conversation when I was 14 years old and declared myself to "never be vulnerable" - it was a trauma response to a very narcissistic mother who tortured me and taught me all about free love. I am a product of free love, and then was told from a very young age that I was supposed to be an abortion ("your father wanted you to be aborted") I needed God and family, but only got church on Sundays and the collective shame in the air over being a "bastard" child. I also took a vow of poverty (Shakerton Pledge) and gravitated towards liberation theology in search of meaning, that and mythology and biblical symbology. Overall, Marxist and post-modern ideology has really shaped most of my decisions. I'm now in my young 50s re-discovering the spiritual awakening I had at 19. I can honestly say that higher education overshadowed that awakening. I must have grace and self forgiveness for living such a misguided life. I'm back, baby!
So many people had children to serve their selfish needs, to take care of them selfs when their old, be their cleaning lady slave, worker or for status. And dont give a damn about the health of the child, social health or mental health to develop a healthy functioning child.
I'm one of six kids none of which would've ever thought they might have been aborted. Knew one teen when we were 15-16 who indicated that his mother mentioning aborting him, so I guess it was her grand decision, profoundly disturbed him. He made the local news and did 20yrs for 2nd degree murder beginning at age 18-19. My opinion on abortion itself might change to ~there should be no question: you're own child must not sense that possibility~.
As one who took advantage of the “free sex” era , the older I get the more I see the damage that it has caused to others and myself . Intimacy has decreased greatly.
Supporting this excellent conversation: J. B. Peterson says that "...the mother / child bond and accompanying empathy, sympathy, etc. are necessary inside the home but DO NOT SCALE WELL outside the home - in society and government." (paraphrasing)
I'm a man in my 60s and found this to be a very enlightening discussion. It's refreshing to see intelligent, articulate women taking up this cause. I've come across a few other ladies here on TH-cam addressing this issue. I had no idea of the occult influences in feminism or that it had such a long history. I went and looked up that first edition of Ms. Magazine and saw the image of the Hindu goddess Kali on the cover, as Carrie mentioned. Very interesting. Keep up the good work. It's a battleground out there. My heart goes out to the young men trying to navigate a world with this kind of madness in it.
Another very important podcast. As a 56 yo man that came out of a 25 yr relationship with kids, I watched from the side lines so many women acting so destructively, in a couple relationship or as single women, either encouraging or being encouraged by other women, to put off for later having meaningful relationships and having a child in their life, acting impulsively. These conversation had and has to come from women. Now being on the dating scene, I read and meet many broken women longing for a husban and kids. This saddens me to see their suffering. Congratulation to have the courage to talk about such a heated and emotional subject.
Beautiful and constructive conversation between two independent, critical thinkers. Apparently, J. Peterson said something along the same lines - women see people as either children or other folks needing their motherly protection, looking for allies. Those who do not align, are viewed as enemies. Which explains the divisiveness of feminism. You should not be independent, but choose a side.
Two inspiring and intelligent women doing important cultural work. I have a wife and one of my kids is a daughter. Although I have a stake in this fight, fixing feminism is the one problem that men cannot fix. Fixing feminism is going to take strong women like these two women in this video.
It is all by design. In the early nineties i had many a conversation with a feminists at university, and their research was endeavouring to disengage young woman from their biological imperatives and separate them from men and replace it with the male drive for success. And the reasoning was to prevent woman from turning away from feminist ideological doctrinal movement and felt this was the only way to do it. I thought they were insane, but here we are, they have succeeded.
@@ManoverSuperman no, their only goal in is the diminishment of men to gain political power by any means necessary. The ‘rights of woman’ were/are only a means to that end.
I'm 43, male, born four years before the Brazil's 1985 "Diretas Já" movement, a liberation movement from the military dictatory system in the country, and establishment of democracy on the country... At the time I was groing up I saw much of oppretion for males with the strenghening of the feminist movement, full of anger for males. I was abused, as a child, by my mother, that hated my father, from my sisters, female teachers at school, from female co-workers, female superiors and female psichologists at teenage years jobs. I developed alcooholism at 14 y.o., an inflamation of the pancreas at 19 y.o. and various other drug addictions. On my 20's I was diagnosed with diabetes tipe 2. Soon in life I've leard that "it was ok" for women to come to a man or a boy, as I was, and say things about the male sexuality, sexual body parts, issues, make jokes and depretiate the males... and "it's ok", but not the other way around, that was "not ok", it was caled "abuse", "attempted rape", "misoginy", "oppretion", "violence", and so on... To this day I see the same things happening at my work enviroment and do therapy once a month for drug abuse and depretion, I keep a quiet and balanced life by myself, with nobody else. I've seen patriarchy at the movies, with feminism fighting it and of course winning all the time, while at my sorroundings I saw matriarchy, puting me down, colling me a homosexual, a pedofile, violent, uncontroleble, undesireble, ugly... and so on, anything that degrates and demoralise a man. But I keep my faith, and keep working to be a better person. P.s. sorry for the mistakes I make with my writtings, English is not my Father tong, or Father language, or something else entirelly, I don't know exactly. Thank you.
Your English is quite good. The few words you misspelled were "close enough" for me to understand. My heart goes out to you. I'm in my 60s and looking back at life, realizing how even my Christian ex-wife (divorced after 14 years married) was influenced by feminism and was actually quite emasculating. She regularly reminded what "real men" were supposed to be like, or compared me to her father. I always felt like she was in competition with me, rather than being cooperative. Nothing like what you have been through, but it wore me down. I've had my own faults, too. I'm a recovering alcoholic. I've decided that I'm better off being on my own, for now. I'm content with that.
Thank you for putting this out there where women are more likely to hear and learn. This sort of conversation is usually held on channels with nearly all-male audiences where it has litttle impact on all those women who will never see it.
I find it interesting how F*minists want us to give them credit for the 'good' things that came out of f*minism, but don't want to be accountable for the darker side.
Woody Allen offered his reasons for that in his film, Sleeper: "notice how little fire there is". A picture of all the leading "feminists" of the 60s and 70s would make one nauseous. And he would know, he's in the same tr_be as the perps that are overwhelmingly responsible for promoting this nonsense.
I think the current world has shown that ideas can possess people like metaphorical demons. I am convinced that feminism is one such idea, the false god of our culture. So I think feminism very much so has used women.
Its leaders used the movement to get advantages without responsibility, just as many of its adherents still do, but the movement used w_men more generally by frightening and manipulating them into following the dogma.
@viperstriker4728 metaphorically you are correct. Practically it is nothing other than the female mind. Interestingly though you could look at demigods of the past. They seem to try to explain lots of psychological phenomenon But at the end of the day it is YOUR brain. Saying women were beholden to an ideology is letting them escape accountability. And we ALL know that women escaping accountability is how we got here
Pitty fear and force are a great model. Also we have the drama triangle: Perpetrator, victim, rescuer. This is the story of almost all political movements in a nutshell.
There's no "perpetrators". You gotta be a compelling character to get your own way in this world. Everyone else suffers the whims of these few. You can excel or you can suffer. You can accept or you can suffer.
I'm reminded of the interview Jordan Peterson had with Dr Paul Kengor concerning the connection between Marx and the Occult, which comes up in your discussion of early feminism as well, which is really interesting!
Check out James Lindsay's negation of the real and connected videos. Very deep into the same topic. TIKhistory also put together a bunch of quotes from ww2 ideologies that act as sources for Lindsay's argument.
As a man I've always had a thing for intelligent women brave enough to use this intelligence for earnest introspection and the pursuit of philosophical truth rather than forever sharpening lies within the narrative of a selfdestructive callous ideology.
They won't, they prefer the women are victims of men rhetoric. These aren't women, these are children compared to Rachel. This whole segment painted these horrible women as victims.
Fantastic guest, very curious about her book. Minor quibble: Mother Theresa is a really bad example of a woman who would be "beautiful" in some generalize way. She had very dark aspects and might very well have done more harm than good. That's the only spot at which I felt uneasy, in an hour long conversation full of controversial views... =)
Bravo !!! Well done to you both for having the conversation , I don't agree with everything ye said but I appreciate the cohesive approach , Rachel Wilson also wrote a book on feminism and the true history, more people need to hear these conversations 👍
Some people ask "Why haven't someone make a movie or show displaying the theology of how a woman should live home life"? This has already been done with shows like "Leave It To Beaver", "The Waltons", and or "I Luv' Lucy". All display the traditional nuclear family.
I think whenever men say they want a strong woman, they mean to say they want a girl whom is resilient: we’re all in the throes of life at various times of our lives and having someone who can help you weather the storm or at least be willing to endure them with you is so endearing, regardless of whomever that person is - even a toxic person.
Strong as in mature in their feminine role... Women only see to top 10% of men that all women find attractive and that are wealthy and that are bullies and that's what they see as strong.
And then also around the 1920's when the feminist movement became more prominent in terms of action a gainst patriarchal culture, the rights for women to vote, own land, and other privileges came into fruition!
@@jackdeniston6150 That's the big issue, yes. It's clearly one sided. Every bit of freedom for men came with responsibility, for example vote/draft, and this movement constantly and effectively avoids the latter. And it even started back then and is more prevelent now. Nothing really changed for men, the same responsibilities, even added ones. So f*minism managed to make an already uneven arangement even more uneven and widened the gap, but simultaniously claiming to narrow it.
@@jackdeniston6150 Hi! Thank you for commenting. The point of our comment was that we recognized the inequality of such things that where transpiring by such entities, and when a major difference was made to address them. Our comment was not to be impertinent or rude about such sensitive matters. And I wish I can elucidate such things to the ignorant with all respect.
I hear you, but wait for the right woman. The wrong wife will destroy you and your kids. Hang in there, things are changing. There are still good women out there.
Same. I used to dream about it when I was a young, naive child. I realize now that it's never going to happen, and having to face this reality is literally driving me into madness.
This video was on my feed since I research about feminism, gynocentrism and the evopsyche of praxeology and have been doing so for a long time now. I would also recommend you have Rachel Wilson (Andrew Wilson's wife from The Crucible). She is the author of the book: Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women's Liberation. She's one of the finest anti-feminists I've ever seen and Andrew Wilson is one of the finest logical debators. Also, Dr. Warren Farrell, the author of countless books including the latest and the most important one: The Boy Crisis: Why Our Boys Are Struggling and What We Can Do About It.
The part where you two debunked the "smash the patriarchy" slogan was spot on! What was interesting as well was seeing the Marxist/communist motivation to get women into the workplace by the 2nd wave feminist activists
Ah, the good old days, back when the Marquis de Sade would be imprisoned. These days, he would have his own talk show and be celebrated at Lincoln Center galas.
Why are you replying to me about your opinion? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to reply to the video authors? What timothyofcox2450 thinks means exactly nothing to me.
Everyone is deceived by charismatic narcissists. One: People wouldn't be drawn to the narcissist if charisma wasn't involved. Two: That charisma is a tool for the narcissist's deception. Many people consider themselves 'A strong woman' or, ' A strong man'. People are often far less aware of their weaknesses than the narcissist in their lives. Until a person understands their own weaknesses, they will always be vulnerable to a narcissist's manipulation. Many a 'Strong person' is targeted by abusive narcissists, just to steal what they have. Narcissists thank Providence for the 'Strong person' with those juicy weaknesses. We just do our best to ensure boundaries are kept. We must remember some people are naturally manipulative. The white feather movement was an interesting episode in history. It not only involved the persecution of men but, also women. My grandfather on leave from the trenches, in the first world war, had to wear his uniform whilst out of the house. My grandmother had to wear a broach with a photograph of her husband in uniform. This avoided them being questioned by women on the street concerning his military service.
@blackananaas they need to respect the women of history as adults, and stop blaming the "vile" men (their words) that "made them do it". The key to reaching actual equality is equal rights equal to equal accountability. These women are infantilising women by refusing to hold them accountable, as every conservative and progressive does to this day. And it needs to change.
@@Sirshort123 no it won't. Catering to women like they are children is why this mess is never cleared up. Women need the truth of their historical evil, not more infantilising platitudes that still blame the "vile" men (their words) for "making these feminists do it".
Oh, you were doing so well. Than you said some men 'mansplain' to you. Here you are using a feminist buzzword, created solely to silence men when talking to women. Please think about using that language. Thank you (Explanation by a man)
I noticed that as well. Also, most are entirely oblivious that Feminism has multiple schools of thought; it is not a monolithic movement by any means. The narrative they are assuming also, I think, gives way too much credit to a handful of academics and not to historical forces at work that are entirely outside the pale of ideology, such as economic circumstances incentivizing the entry of women into the workforce on a mass scale, the expansion of the voting franchise both in the US and Britain, etc. That comment from _The Feminine Mystique_ about home being a “camp” of sorts for women is also not even a new sentiment. Bernard Shaw had wrote something similar in _Man and Superman_ (1903) and the Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen wrote A Doll’s House(1879) which addresses this idea as well. Many male authors, come to think of it, had long argued along these lines, and it is shocking that people impute the breakdown of the family to these things. What they largely contended was that the marriage laws of their time were a sham and hindered people from having the best possible relations with those of the other sex-hence “free love”.
If they haven't experienced C*mmunism or S*cialism, and they see inequality and feel it is out of control, it isn't a big leap to thinking a different system offers a solution. I doubt anyone who has experienced C*mmunism would agree with them, though...
@@blackananaas these women are still blaming the men for the bad feminists. Like saying "behind every evil woman, is a vile man controlling her". Rachel Wilson is far more realistic in holding adult women accountable, and not excusing their behaviour by blaming men in their lives. These women are frauds and feminist plants.
I can't believe we even have to explain why we should value life and everyrhing to do with it, except for the lamest of shite. My mother and the mother of my children is too. Women had to adapt to warlike colonial players and the trauma and laws and rules still standing are the real obstacle to cure an order following dominant population. Hypnosis, is more rhan meets the eye. (Both also.grest Testament songs)
Thanks for doing this. This is an honest and direct and true conversation. Being strong or valued to society doesn't have to be demonstrated through employment or through academics. Being strong isn't about beating the other sex or making yours look better. It's about working together to make society at large stronger. Just as we don't need every single person to be focused exclusively on babysitting, we don't need every person to be in the work force. The ugly Feminist narrative is cancerous. My mom's work, that of raising kids, is literally a generational task that will make more difference than any job she goes to where she gets a paycheck. Thanks for being common sense in a delusional world.
So much make-up, Roni, and so little clothing. This does not add to your credibility. It detracts/distracts from a very important interview. By dressing more modestly, Carrie Gress adds to her credibility.
Me thinketh., possessed with this this ideology is the best way to put it because the breaking up of the Family does come from Satan .......and his collaborators!@!?🤪😉 For those of., us believers however it does also affect the.......unbelievers!@!?😉
Omg I read all the books back then by Friedan, Greer, de Beauvoir and never got a communist or atheist message. Years later, as a competent professional making a decent living (and married with three kids), I was able to leave a bad marriage because I was financially independent. Thank goodness for that!!!!! I would never do it differently. Both my sons married beautiful brilliant highly productive willing women. My sons work, work out, play sports, do dishes and cook! Grandchild two is on the way. What is the problem?
Well in the late 19th early 20th century feminism fought for women voting. In the 1970s when I was growing up feminism fought for women participating in professions, being allowed in to the best colleges, owning their own credit cards, birth control, awareness of domestic violence and rape, choice to marry or not, etc etc - basic rights. What has become of the movement is on you guys. As a boomer, I don’t apologize for any of it. But let me also say that my millennial children and their friends are marrying left and right.
Egalitarianism is a political philosophy that emphasizes social equality and the idea that all people are equal in fundamental worth. This is a bad thing? This has nothing whatsoever to do with "free love" and Marxism. It gets dumber from there. Women working is a communist idea? Capitalists don't want women to work? "Having everyone be equal in a political context translates into communism" -- have you ever heard of the US Constitution? Bill of rights?
Egalitarianism asserts equal opportunities, not equal worth. If you truly believe in Egalitarianism then having a women's league in sports is wrong. "Separate but equal" wasn't accepted for race, so why is it accepted for gender? The truth is that biology cause innate inequalities in opportunity that make egalitarianism a utopian idea. It connected to marxism, in that marxism is class based social conflict theory. Feminism is gender based social conflict theory. Both are promised prior to most communist revolutions. Egalitarianism contains the same set of ideas but might not have the same bitterness in most cases. Capitalists don't care who works, so long as the market decides. If you think women working is morally positive or negative then capitalism isn't your current motivation.
I think hook-up culture is disgusting, but where do you meet all these women that are supposedly unhappy after embracing sexual promiscuity? I don't know any. All my friends sleep with everybody and they are very happy and they are old. Only some of them don't sleep around anymore because they got married, but they are very satisfied with their past. The only one that's unhappy and lonely is me because I still think I can find a descent man and get married. 😅
I love that i can now blame Voltaire and Engels for me, my stepson and several of my friends have ended up over the front of police cruisers because of lying women 😂 Good stuff. Now delete my comment as usual 👍
I wholly agree with all that you and Carrie have said. I love the revaluation of motherhood, but my one fear here is that this could be a pendulum swing back that will limit women. I agree that we need to honor the role of the mother and homemaker, but in doing so will we then denounce women who don’t choose that. Pre-feminism, women did not have choices. We could not own property. We had little choices in an abusive marriage. We couldn’t vote. We couldn’t go to university to pursue an interest. We had few choices in our capacity to earn money if the man that we were with could not, or would not. We were at the mercy of men (however wonderful he may be). We were severely restricted. Can we also honor that a woman has choices and opportunities that she had not prior to feminism. I don’t think that we can but that genie back in the bottle.
I think the important thing is to push back againsts the demonization of the mother and homemaker. I know many women that would love to form a family but feel pressured to get into a career or insecure about not being more than "just" a mother.
@ totally. I was derided when I expressed that I wanted children with all the typical responses, teeth sucking, eye rolling, etc. But I am grateful that I have options that women before me did not have. I also feel enormously privileged to be a mother. My son is the light of my life
What work would you have performed 200 years ago? That would pay your way? Feminism has done nothing productive. Your freedom is because the world is wealthy enough today, from the labour of men, to indulge you.
Very anti male comment. It's clear you cannot see the oppressions of the men because you don't care. This is why you are restricted, because women have an inability to see the pain of men. You are children, and have proven you should never be treated as adults at this point in history. Hateful bigots!
Pre feminism, it is untrue that women cannot own property. And it was not only women who were in abusive marriages it was men too, but men learnt to take it to the grace and not trauma dump on the younger generation of men. Women faced problems, yes, they did. Should they have been resolved, yes absolutely. But saying that only women faced issues and men were all having a great time just shows what so many women do, they just see the benefits of being a man, by looking at not an average man but a high class man. You wanna know how feminism could actually have been a movement which would have survived for a long long time? It would have happened if it would have paid equal concern on the men's issues as well as the women's. But we all know what route it took. Women said they didn't want to be bound be gender roles. Alright accepted. But then why continue to bind the men to that? I have not seen many self proclaimed feminists arguing that men too should be relieved of their gender roles of protecting the women. And I can go on and on...
Working for a family: ❌
Working for a company: ✅
Feminism in a nutshell
A 47 year old trad wife came to work at the factory I work at last year. Shed never had to work. Her husband had left her for a 20 something year old. She didnt get the house and was having to sleep on her adult daughters couch. She kept up fine at the factory but once management found out she had some health issues they didnt want to hire her after her 90 days so they let her go.
Men will use you and take your best years and then when you age naturally they will trade you in and leave you with as little as they can possibly get away with. You cannot predict 10 15 20 years ahead which ones will do this.
Meanwhile even though I work at a low pay factory job making 30k a year I own a home, paid off car, pay my bills up ahead of time. Buy myself a few things when I want. I dont open my legs for a roof and food and hope for the best from the male. There is no bottom to males depravity
eFinism is a cult.
1) Zero tolerance for criticism or questions (blame the men.)
2) Absolute authoritarianism without accountability (Believe all Waman.)
3) Unreasonable fears about the outside world that often involve evil conspiracies and persecutions. (Men must obey us or we divorce them)
4) A belief that former followers are always wrong for leaving (Trad wamman should be shamed.)
"OMG those pesky women are not paying taxes after the value they create at home. We have to empower them at once and give their jobs to government employees and corporate businesses!"
*Decades later:
"Congratulations, now you need two income sources instead of one to provide for a family."
And many modern women wonder why they're so unhappy after trying to become more like men!!!!
@IzzyChopChop we arent trying to become like men. We work to keep from having to live with one and or to make sure we can leave ome when he shows his true demonic self
So women choose free love, choose players, then blame men for the consequences of their choices and actions? Make it make sense...
While expecting the strong capable men to keep society afloat when they don’t have any stake in it
Hearing about the white feather movement really opened my eyes and started me down this journey of discovering what feminism is really about.
Feminism was never about equality. Or they would have made sure they got the military draft. It's about something much more hateful
What conclusion did you come up with about feminism?
Something similar took place recently in Ukra*ne, where women protested on the street that the government should draft more men, and insulted bypassing men as cowards and alike. Apparently the guys reacted ashamed, what they should not. Unlike the men, who are in danger to get drafted by recruiters, these women could join willingly. But they won't, they want their human shields.
And it always will be this way, no one of the western news outlets, now in 2024, reported negatively about them but the men. One should think that at least nowadays there would be a different tone. Eq*ality in women's eyes isn't what you find in the dictionary...
It was similar for me. In Germany, we have a lot of refugees from Ukraine, and they're almost all female or children. I'm not saying it's wrong that this should be the case, but it's remarkable how fast "equality" vanished when it became potentially dangerous. I have no doubt that once the war ends, these same women will be demanding "equal rights" in the rebuilt Ukraine woth no sense of irony.
@Korschtal yeap feminists women want certain rights and access but never wanted equal responsibility.
For example...
Military draft
Family Court
The Hard jobs
"Everything needs to be fair" by giving ppl things they didn't earn and that others worked for........
Fair is a very subjective thing. Given human bias we should expect "fair" to favor the person preposing it. That is why it is a vice instead of virtue.
@@viperstriker4728 ( I agrea with your point about Fairness being subjective) I just don't think that what he said applies to the right to vote subject.The right to vote Is something that You have to earn, when men didn't Work to have that right?.
Oh Lordy, I really wish I heard this conversation when I was 14 years old and declared myself to "never be vulnerable" - it was a trauma response to a very narcissistic mother who tortured me and taught me all about free love. I am a product of free love, and then was told from a very young age that I was supposed to be an abortion ("your father wanted you to be aborted")
I needed God and family, but only got church on Sundays and the collective shame in the air over being a "bastard" child.
I also took a vow of poverty (Shakerton Pledge) and gravitated towards liberation theology in search of meaning, that and mythology and biblical symbology. Overall, Marxist and post-modern ideology has really shaped most of my decisions. I'm now in my young 50s re-discovering the spiritual awakening I had at 19. I can honestly say that higher education overshadowed that awakening. I must have grace and self forgiveness for living such a misguided life.
I'm back, baby!
Yuri was right the Ideological Subversion of the West has been VERY effective !
So many people had children to serve their selfish needs, to take care of them selfs when their old, be their cleaning lady slave, worker or for status. And dont give a damn about the health of the child, social health or mental health to develop a healthy functioning child.
WHERE IS MY COMMENT TH-cam? STOP CENSORING ME TH-cam BECAUSE EVERYONE IS SICK OF IT! UN-SHADDOWBAN MY COMMENT YOU SCUMBAGS !
I'm one of six kids none of which would've ever thought they might have been aborted. Knew one teen when we were 15-16 who indicated that his mother mentioning aborting him, so I guess it was her grand decision, profoundly disturbed him. He made the local news and did 20yrs for 2nd degree murder beginning at age 18-19.
My opinion on abortion itself might change to ~there should be no question: you're own child must not sense that possibility~.
Men hear this all the time. I, and society at large, are super happy you wasted your fertile years on feminism.
Good grief
As one who took advantage of the “free sex” era , the older I get the more I see the damage that it has caused to others and myself . Intimacy has decreased greatly.
Fathers should give away their daughters in marriage. Dating, so accepted in modern society, is a perverted application of consumerism to intimacy.
Supporting this excellent conversation: J. B. Peterson says that "...the mother / child bond and accompanying empathy, sympathy, etc. are necessary inside the home but DO NOT SCALE WELL outside the home - in society and government." (paraphrasing)
I'm a man in my 60s and found this to be a very enlightening discussion. It's refreshing to see intelligent, articulate women taking up this cause. I've come across a few other ladies here on TH-cam addressing this issue. I had no idea of the occult influences in feminism or that it had such a long history. I went and looked up that first edition of Ms. Magazine and saw the image of the Hindu goddess Kali on the cover, as Carrie mentioned. Very interesting.
Keep up the good work. It's a battleground out there. My heart goes out to the young men trying to navigate a world with this kind of madness in it.
Another very important podcast. As a 56 yo man that came out of a 25 yr relationship with kids, I watched from the side lines so many women acting so destructively, in a couple relationship or as single women, either encouraging or being encouraged by other women, to put off for later having meaningful relationships and having a child in their life, acting impulsively. These conversation had and has to come from women. Now being on the dating scene, I read and meet many broken women longing for a husban and kids. This saddens me to see their suffering. Congratulation to have the courage to talk about such a heated and emotional subject.
- Wmn: we dont care what you men want and have to say 🤬
- Same wmn: nobody told me men dont want combative, girl bosses 😭
I shared this with all my sisters and friends! Thank you ladies!
Beautiful and constructive conversation between two independent, critical thinkers. Apparently, J. Peterson said something along the same lines - women see people as either children or other folks needing their motherly protection, looking for allies. Those who do not align, are viewed as enemies. Which explains the divisiveness of feminism. You should not be independent, but choose a side.
Two inspiring and intelligent women doing important cultural work. I have a wife and one of my kids is a daughter. Although I have a stake in this fight, fixing feminism is the one problem that men cannot fix. Fixing feminism is going to take strong women like these two women in this video.
It is all by design. In the early nineties i had many a conversation with a feminists at university, and their research was endeavouring to disengage young woman from their biological imperatives and separate them from men and replace it with the male drive for success. And the reasoning was to prevent woman from turning away from feminist ideological doctrinal movement and felt this was the only way to do it. I thought they were insane, but here we are, they have succeeded.
So you could say they wished to see the birth of the Superwoman?
No. The sterile extinct woman.
@@ManoverSuperman no, their only goal in is the diminishment of men to gain political power by any means necessary. The ‘rights of woman’ were/are only a means to that end.
@@ManoverSuperman Occult theology comes in many flavors. I think you captured perfectly what the goal has been.
I'm 43, male, born four years before the Brazil's 1985 "Diretas Já" movement, a liberation movement from the military dictatory system in the country, and establishment of democracy on the country... At the time I was groing up I saw much of oppretion for males with the strenghening of the feminist movement, full of anger for males. I was abused, as a child, by my mother, that hated my father, from my sisters, female teachers at school, from female co-workers, female superiors and female psichologists at teenage years jobs. I developed alcooholism at 14 y.o., an inflamation of the pancreas at 19 y.o. and various other drug addictions. On my 20's I was diagnosed with diabetes tipe 2. Soon in life I've leard that "it was ok" for women to come to a man or a boy, as I was, and say things about the male sexuality, sexual body parts, issues, make jokes and depretiate the males... and "it's ok", but not the other way around, that was "not ok", it was caled "abuse", "attempted rape", "misoginy", "oppretion", "violence", and so on... To this day I see the same things happening at my work enviroment and do therapy once a month for drug abuse and depretion, I keep a quiet and balanced life by myself, with nobody else. I've seen patriarchy at the movies, with feminism fighting it and of course winning all the time, while at my sorroundings I saw matriarchy, puting me down, colling me a homosexual, a pedofile, violent, uncontroleble, undesireble, ugly... and so on, anything that degrates and demoralise a man. But I keep my faith, and keep working to be a better person.
P.s. sorry for the mistakes I make with my writtings, English is not my Father tong, or Father language, or something else entirelly, I don't know exactly. Thank you.
Wow! God be with you brother
Your English is quite good. The few words you misspelled were "close enough" for me to understand.
My heart goes out to you. I'm in my 60s and looking back at life, realizing how even my Christian ex-wife (divorced after 14 years married) was influenced by feminism and was actually quite emasculating. She regularly reminded what "real men" were supposed to be like, or compared me to her father. I always felt like she was in competition with me, rather than being cooperative. Nothing like what you have been through, but it wore me down. I've had my own faults, too. I'm a recovering alcoholic. I've decided that I'm better off being on my own, for now. I'm content with that.
Thank you for putting this out there where women are more likely to hear and learn. This sort of conversation is usually held on channels with nearly all-male audiences where it has litttle impact on all those women who will never see it.
What a great hour. Well done!
I like how women are trying to distance themselves from feminism.
Remember gents women used feminism. Feminism didn't use women
I find it interesting how F*minists want us to give them credit for the 'good' things that came out of f*minism, but don't want to be accountable for the darker side.
Woody Allen offered his reasons for that in his film, Sleeper: "notice how little fire there is". A picture of all the leading "feminists" of the 60s and 70s would make one nauseous. And he would know, he's in the same tr_be as the perps that are overwhelmingly responsible for promoting this nonsense.
I think the current world has shown that ideas can possess people like metaphorical demons. I am convinced that feminism is one such idea, the false god of our culture. So I think feminism very much so has used women.
Its leaders used the movement to get advantages without responsibility, just as many of its adherents still do, but the movement used w_men more generally by frightening and manipulating them into following the dogma.
@viperstriker4728 metaphorically you are correct. Practically it is nothing other than the female mind.
Interestingly though you could look at demigods of the past. They seem to try to explain lots of psychological phenomenon
But at the end of the day it is YOUR brain. Saying women were beholden to an ideology is letting them escape accountability. And we ALL know that women escaping accountability is how we got here
Really enjoyed this interview. Would love to see you interview Rachel Wilson - author Occult Feminism.
Pitty fear and force are a great model. Also we have the drama triangle: Perpetrator, victim, rescuer. This is the story of almost all political movements in a nutshell.
There's no "perpetrators". You gotta be a compelling character to get your own way in this world. Everyone else suffers the whims of these few. You can excel or you can suffer. You can accept or you can suffer.
I'm reminded of the interview Jordan Peterson had with Dr Paul Kengor concerning the connection between Marx and the Occult, which comes up in your discussion of early feminism as well, which is really interesting!
Check out James Lindsay's negation of the real and connected videos. Very deep into the same topic. TIKhistory also put together a bunch of quotes from ww2 ideologies that act as sources for Lindsay's argument.
As a man I've always had a thing for intelligent women brave enough to use this intelligence for earnest introspection and the pursuit of philosophical truth rather than forever sharpening lies within the narrative of a selfdestructive callous ideology.
Love your content, very inspiring!
The problem is getting a women out of feminism is like getting someone out of a cult and you have contend with very serious cognitive dissonance
Talk with Rachel Wilson, look into her work.
They won't, they prefer the women are victims of men rhetoric. These aren't women, these are children compared to Rachel. This whole segment painted these horrible women as victims.
It destroyed any chance I hoped for in my future for family, and love, all of it. It saddens me that I've lost the chance.
Same here.
It destroyed my marriage and life. So many of my dreams that went unfulfilled. Now I’m left loss, picking up the pieces.
Thank you so much for this very eye opening video 🙏🏼
Great show!
Fantastic guest, very curious about her book. Minor quibble: Mother Theresa is a really bad example of a woman who would be "beautiful" in some generalize way. She had very dark aspects and might very well have done more harm than good. That's the only spot at which I felt uneasy, in an hour long conversation full of controversial views... =)
Bravo !!! Well done to you both for having the conversation , I don't agree with everything ye said but I appreciate the cohesive approach , Rachel Wilson also wrote a book on feminism and the true history, more people need to hear these conversations 👍
This!!! Thank you.
Some people ask "Why haven't someone make a movie or show displaying the theology of how a woman should live home life"?
This has already been done with shows like "Leave It To Beaver", "The Waltons", and or "I Luv' Lucy".
All display the traditional nuclear family.
Excellent and important work as always Roni. Thank you.
Not really. They treat women as unwitting children. Women are evil, and they won't admit it. Hence making excuses for them.
Wish you get more viewers, i like learning more about this, this is good stuff
I think whenever men say they want a strong woman, they mean to say they want a girl whom is resilient: we’re all in the throes of life at various times of our lives and having someone who can help you weather the storm or at least be willing to endure them with you is so endearing, regardless of whomever that person is - even a toxic person.
Strong as in mature in their feminine role... Women only see to top 10% of men that all women find attractive and that are wealthy and that are bullies and that's what they see as strong.
Kali was basically culturally appropriated by Westerners, especially feminists.
And then also around the 1920's when the feminist movement became more prominent in terms of action a gainst patriarchal culture, the rights for women to vote, own land, and other privileges came into fruition!
So when are women going to take action to become responsible and accountable? Or is that going to be assigned to Men as well.
is there a reason demarcation doesn’t exist between how European lived contrast with the entire global culture ?
They already could own land before that , along before
@@jackdeniston6150 That's the big issue, yes. It's clearly one sided. Every bit of freedom for men came with responsibility, for example vote/draft, and this movement constantly and effectively avoids the latter. And it even started back then and is more prevelent now. Nothing really changed for men, the same responsibilities, even added ones. So f*minism managed to make an already uneven arangement even more uneven and widened the gap, but simultaniously claiming to narrow it.
@@jackdeniston6150 Hi! Thank you for commenting. The point of our comment was that we recognized the inequality of such things that where transpiring by such entities, and when a major difference was made to address them. Our comment was not to be impertinent or rude about such sensitive matters. And I wish I can elucidate such things to the ignorant with all respect.
Bro id do literally anything to have a wife and kids. Words can't express how much it kills me
I hear you, but wait for the right woman. The wrong wife will destroy you and your kids. Hang in there, things are changing. There are still good women out there.
Then go out there and find one
I heard advice to live the life you want. Appearantly i picked "single dad with no visitation" on accident
Same. I used to dream about it when I was a young, naive child. I realize now that it's never going to happen, and having to face this reality is literally driving me into madness.
@kevinhale628 the life i want is a wife and kids 🫠
This video was on my feed since I research about feminism, gynocentrism and the evopsyche of praxeology and have been doing so for a long time now.
I would also recommend you have Rachel Wilson (Andrew Wilson's wife from The Crucible). She is the author of the book: Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women's Liberation. She's one of the finest anti-feminists I've ever seen and Andrew Wilson is one of the finest logical debators.
Also, Dr. Warren Farrell, the author of countless books including the latest and the most important one:
The Boy Crisis: Why Our Boys Are Struggling and What We Can Do About It.
Why should Rachel Wilson be seen as an authority on anything? Is her book peer-reviewed by any academic group at least?
@@ManoverSupermanthe same academic group that benefits from women getting useless degrees?? Oh no, what a dependent authority 👏🏻
Thanks for the suggestions.
Thank you! Been waiting for this episode! 🩵🩵💚🤎
The part where you two debunked the "smash the patriarchy" slogan was spot on!
What was interesting as well was seeing the Marxist/communist motivation to get women into the workplace by the 2nd wave feminist activists
Thank you
If you want to dig deeper into the roots of feminism, talk to James Lindsay or listen to his podcast.
Equal until providing
21:01 is really spot on.
Ah, the good old days, back when the Marquis de Sade would be imprisoned. These days, he would have his own talk show and be celebrated at Lincoln Center galas.
You need to get Rachel Wilson on here to talk about feminism. She has a book "occult feminism". It's worth a look
Fantastic dialogue and guest.
Nope. All excuses and infantilising of women. Lame AF.
Why are you replying to me about your opinion? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to reply to the video authors? What timothyofcox2450 thinks means exactly nothing to me.
@krllr_sean sorry, can't hear you with your head buried in the sand.
Everyone is deceived by charismatic narcissists.
One: People wouldn't be drawn to the narcissist if charisma wasn't involved.
Two: That charisma is a tool for the narcissist's deception.
Many people consider themselves 'A strong woman' or, ' A strong man'. People are often far less aware of their weaknesses than the narcissist in their lives.
Until a person understands their own weaknesses, they will always be vulnerable to a narcissist's manipulation.
Many a 'Strong person' is targeted by abusive narcissists, just to steal what they have.
Narcissists thank Providence for the 'Strong person' with those juicy weaknesses.
We just do our best to ensure boundaries are kept. We must remember some people are naturally manipulative.
The white feather movement was an interesting episode in history. It not only involved the persecution of men but, also women. My grandfather on leave from the trenches, in the first world war, had to wear his uniform whilst out of the house. My grandmother had to wear a broach with a photograph of her husband in uniform.
This avoided them being questioned by women on the street concerning his military service.
Men, share this everywhere.
✌️🤙🎄
#mgtow #redpill
No thanks. It's just more avoided accountability. Not one word of accountability for the evil women in history.
@timothyofcox2450 It doesn't have to be perfect to be helpful. This would still be very helpful for a broad audience of women to hear.
@@timothyofcox2450what should have they said to make it good ? Where did they need to hold accountability ?
@blackananaas they need to respect the women of history as adults, and stop blaming the "vile" men (their words) that "made them do it". The key to reaching actual equality is equal rights equal to equal accountability. These women are infantilising women by refusing to hold them accountable, as every conservative and progressive does to this day. And it needs to change.
@@Sirshort123 no it won't. Catering to women like they are children is why this mess is never cleared up. Women need the truth of their historical evil, not more infantilising platitudes that still blame the "vile" men (their words) for "making these feminists do it".
Have you considered doing an interview with Jeffrey Mishlove?
Oh, you were doing so well. Than you said some men 'mansplain' to you. Here you are using a feminist buzzword, created solely to silence men when talking to women.
Please think about using that language. Thank you (Explanation by a man)
These girls are lizards. Stopped listening.
Like almost all discussions on "Feminism" you don't define "Feminist" or "Feminism"
I noticed that as well. Also, most are entirely oblivious that Feminism has multiple schools of thought; it is not a monolithic movement by any means. The narrative they are assuming also, I think, gives way too much credit to a handful of academics and not to historical forces at work that are entirely outside the pale of ideology, such as economic circumstances incentivizing the entry of women into the workforce on a mass scale, the expansion of the voting franchise both in the US and Britain, etc.
That comment from _The Feminine Mystique_ about home being a “camp” of sorts for women is also not even a new sentiment. Bernard Shaw had wrote something similar in _Man and Superman_ (1903) and the Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen wrote A Doll’s House(1879) which addresses this idea as well. Many male authors, come to think of it, had long argued along these lines, and it is shocking that people impute the breakdown of the family to these things. What they largely contended was that the marriage laws of their time were a sham and hindered people from having the best possible relations with those of the other sex-hence “free love”.
Why do that, when your mask can be pulled off instead, revealing it and you for the abject evil it is.
Yes they do. They still blame men, while holding adult women as children.
Smart women.
I'll keep watching for Fouks' sake
10:40
Why would a good human ever believe that communism was something positive?
If they haven't experienced C*mmunism or S*cialism, and they see inequality and feel it is out of control, it isn't a big leap to thinking a different system offers a solution.
I doubt anyone who has experienced C*mmunism would agree with them, though...
I have a feeling neither of you are fans of Rachel Wilson
Rachel holds women accountable as adults. Of course they don't.
@@timothyofcox2450what do you mean ?
@@blackananaasJust a bitter dude who can’t let something go. He’s probably got like six cats lol
@@blackananaas these women are still blaming the men for the bad feminists. Like saying "behind every evil woman, is a vile man controlling her".
Rachel Wilson is far more realistic in holding adult women accountable, and not excusing their behaviour by blaming men in their lives. These women are frauds and feminist plants.
Cool cheers 🍺💤
You gals reminded me of a very good song by a metal band called Dissection called: Maha Kali. Pretty intense, extreme stuff.
Dissection fan here.
Interviewer needs to talk less than the Interviewee
Nothing new …
So a segment about evil women, entirely blamed on men. Waste of an hour.
Can someone explain why Roni looks like she’s AI?
I can't believe we even have to explain why we should value life and everyrhing to do with it, except for the lamest of shite.
My mother and the mother of my children is too.
Women had to adapt to warlike colonial players and the trauma and laws and rules still standing are the real obstacle to cure an order following dominant population.
Hypnosis, is more rhan meets the eye.
(Both also.grest Testament songs)
Thanks for doing this. This is an honest and direct and true conversation. Being strong or valued to society doesn't have to be demonstrated through employment or through academics. Being strong isn't about beating the other sex or making yours look better. It's about working together to make society at large stronger. Just as we don't need every single person to be focused exclusively on babysitting, we don't need every person to be in the work force. The ugly Feminist narrative is cancerous. My mom's work, that of raising kids, is literally a generational task that will make more difference than any job she goes to where she gets a paycheck.
Thanks for being common sense in a delusional world.
It's a lie. They don't hold the evil women of history, instead still blame "horrible, vile" men. Wake up.
So much make-up, Roni, and so little clothing. This does not add to your credibility. It detracts/distracts from a very important interview.
By dressing more modestly, Carrie Gress adds to her credibility.
Missing the point.
And that's coming from a male hormone perspective...in my opinion
Me thinketh., possessed with this this ideology is the best way to put it because the breaking up of the Family does come from Satan .......and his collaborators!@!?🤪😉
For those of., us believers however it does also affect the.......unbelievers!@!?😉
AnyFans is their true nature blossoming 😂
EVELUTION!?!?!?
Omg I read all the books back then by Friedan, Greer, de Beauvoir and never got a communist or atheist message. Years later, as a competent professional making a decent living (and married with three kids), I was able to leave a bad marriage because I was financially independent. Thank goodness for that!!!!! I would never do it differently. Both my sons married beautiful brilliant highly productive willing women. My sons work, work out, play sports, do dishes and cook! Grandchild two is on the way. What is the problem?
Well in the late 19th early 20th century feminism fought for women voting. In the 1970s when I was growing up feminism fought for women participating in professions, being allowed in to the best colleges, owning their own credit cards, birth control, awareness of domestic violence and rape, choice to marry or not, etc etc - basic rights. What has become of the movement is on you guys. As a boomer, I don’t apologize for any of it. But let me also say that my millennial children and their friends are marrying left and right.
Crazy women?
Just talking AI will take womens work
Roni, you are simply too beautiful and attractive to the point that it overshadows the content of your message while watching the video
Dude, think with your big head. You're sad.
Chill 😂😂
Egalitarianism is a political philosophy that emphasizes social equality and the idea that all people are equal in fundamental worth. This is a bad thing? This has nothing whatsoever to do with "free love" and Marxism. It gets dumber from there. Women working is a communist idea? Capitalists don't want women to work?
"Having everyone be equal in a political context translates into communism" -- have you ever heard of the US Constitution? Bill of rights?
Egalitarianism asserts equal opportunities, not equal worth. If you truly believe in Egalitarianism then having a women's league in sports is wrong. "Separate but equal" wasn't accepted for race, so why is it accepted for gender?
The truth is that biology cause innate inequalities in opportunity that make egalitarianism a utopian idea. It connected to marxism, in that marxism is class based social conflict theory. Feminism is gender based social conflict theory. Both are promised prior to most communist revolutions. Egalitarianism contains the same set of ideas but might not have the same bitterness in most cases.
Capitalists don't care who works, so long as the market decides. If you think women working is morally positive or negative then capitalism isn't your current motivation.
The only option is for wmn to trust men.
Ya'll "hate women" too?!
lol
Hate? Why hate?
I think hook-up culture is disgusting, but where do you meet all these women that are supposedly unhappy after embracing sexual promiscuity? I don't know any. All my friends sleep with everybody and they are very happy and they are old. Only some of them don't sleep around anymore because they got married, but they are very satisfied with their past. The only one that's unhappy and lonely is me because I still think I can find a descent man and get married. 😅
Doubt 😂
@@arminxvs3372 What?
@@NathalieTremblay-mf1ez I highly doubt the happiness in the relationship of most people who screw around in their past.
Sounds like feminist damage control. Biggest waste of an hour.
I would like to comment but it will be removed. Even this will probably be removed. I don't understand.
I love that i can now blame Voltaire and Engels for me, my stepson and several of my friends have ended up over the front of police cruisers because of lying women 😂
Good stuff. Now delete my comment as usual 👍
I wholly agree with all that you and Carrie have said. I love the revaluation of motherhood, but my one fear here is that this could be a pendulum swing back that will limit women. I agree that we need to honor the role of the mother and homemaker, but in doing so will we then denounce women who don’t choose that. Pre-feminism, women did not have choices. We could not own property. We had little choices in an abusive marriage. We couldn’t vote. We couldn’t go to university to pursue an interest. We had few choices in our capacity to earn money if the man that we were with could not, or would not. We were at the mercy of men (however wonderful he may be). We were severely restricted. Can we also honor that a woman has choices and opportunities that she had not prior to feminism. I don’t think that we can but that genie back in the bottle.
I think the important thing is to push back againsts the demonization of the mother and homemaker. I know many women that would love to form a family but feel pressured to get into a career or insecure about not being more than "just" a mother.
@ totally. I was derided when I expressed that I wanted children with all the typical responses, teeth sucking, eye rolling, etc. But I am grateful that I have options that women before me did not have. I also feel enormously privileged to be a mother. My son is the light of my life
What work would you have performed 200 years ago? That would pay your way?
Feminism has done nothing productive. Your freedom is because the world is wealthy enough today, from the labour of men, to indulge you.
Very anti male comment. It's clear you cannot see the oppressions of the men because you don't care.
This is why you are restricted, because women have an inability to see the pain of men.
You are children, and have proven you should never be treated as adults at this point in history. Hateful bigots!
Pre feminism, it is untrue that women cannot own property. And it was not only women who were in abusive marriages it was men too, but men learnt to take it to the grace and not trauma dump on the younger generation of men.
Women faced problems, yes, they did. Should they have been resolved, yes absolutely. But saying that only women faced issues and men were all having a great time just shows what so many women do, they just see the benefits of being a man, by looking at not an average man but a high class man.
You wanna know how feminism could actually have been a movement which would have survived for a long long time? It would have happened if it would have paid equal concern on the men's issues as well as the women's. But we all know what route it took.
Women said they didn't want to be bound be gender roles. Alright accepted. But then why continue to bind the men to that? I have not seen many self proclaimed feminists arguing that men too should be relieved of their gender roles of protecting the women. And I can go on and on...