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I think Sin is perfect because it perfectly embodies a lot of the themes in FFX. The whole of Spira thinks the monster is a punishment for their misguided ways and if they atone the creature will go way, when in reality the whole thing is a farce that exists solely to forever keep the world under the thrall of Yevon. FFX was my first FF game and to this day I remember how much it made me think about real life because of these discussions. By the way, your channel is amazing.
I also like how inspite of that even if they wanted to stop Sin, nobody in Yevon including Mika or Yunalesca could which is why they misrepresented Sin to begin with. It gives more credence that despite how corrupt the institution of Yevon is, they really believe that they can only keep the cycle going as the final summoning is the only reliable way to kill Sin. If it wasn't for the set of circumstances of Jecht being Sin and having that connection with Tidus, Sin likely would've been unbeatable. It feels realistic when you think about it like that.
I always thought in a way we were kind of living this story in real life, sin representing war. Every 70 to 100 or so years world leaders that would hardly be affected or even profit financially sending young men to fight and flatten whole countries. Round and round it goes, resetting the economy after every smashing. Us, the civilians oblivious to it all kept in a permanent state of fear being distracted, monitored and manipulated by our phones and tvs arguing amongst ourselves whilst all wanting the same things
I first played this game when I was 9 and my brother had to help me get past Bevelle, lol. Just started playing it again (20 years later). Brings back so many memories.
Very cool analysis. When I was younger I always thought it was detriment to X that it didn't have memorable central villain like Sephiroth or Kuja, but I have come to appreciate Sin more over time. Sin encapsulates how Spira is a fallen world stuck in a destructive cycle because of wrongs made in the past, and how the people of Spira are themselves helping to maintain that cycle. FFX doesn't need a villain trying to destroy the world that has to be stopped, because the world was ruined already 1000 years ago. And the plan of the one villain trying to destroy the world feels kind of inconsequential as a result. Seymour wants to destroy Spira by becoming Sin, but Sin already exists, so nothing would really change even if he accomplished his goal. The only difference would be that the one inside Sin would be Seymour instead of Jecht. To finally stop Sin the heroes have to turn against the very pillars of Spiran society that are maintaining the cycle. And in its own way that's a lot more daunting task to accomplish than just beating some bad guy wanting to destroy everything.
I think Seymour's plan wouldn't have worked, but that's because in time, his will would have been superseded by Yu Yevon's. At least that's my headcannon. For all we know, Seymour's plan was unprecedented; who's to say it was doomed to fail?
@@ysgramornorris2452 It's hard to tell, the first thing Seymour would do once he has control of Sin is destroy the entire planet. It's unclear how much will the Final Aeon wields within Sin as Jecht was still able to control Sin to bring Tidus to Spira and hold back at times when Yu Yevon should have completely taken over.
This is a great analysis. Nobody ever does a video on just Sin. Somehow it gets overlooked which is ironic because he’s a massive whale of death and is the driving force of the whole story.
Replaying this game for the bazillionth time. I was 12 when it first was released and i swear, this game was way ahead of its time in terms of graphics. The writing is top notch too.. till this day it's one of my favorite games of all time
Square's games had some variations of gigantic monsters of this type (i'm reluctant to call them kaiju) Jenova/The Great Calamity from FF VII and Lavos from CT. In terms of motif, Sin is the most cohesive of these.
Your interpretations of these games are so insightful and clever. I've played them all tens of times over the years and would never have made any of these observations!
Interesting Yunalesca didn’t recognize a world before Sin, thus showing the danger of fatherly Relationships unquestioned in direct conflict to tidus and jecht, but in direct relationship to yuna and hers
I am well versed in FFX lore, but there's one thing i am wondering... What part of sin did Auron and Tidus get sucked up into in the beginning of the game...? I swear i'm an adult, buuut, all i can imagine is Sin sticking his cheeks below his bubble and...Yea... Thoughts?
I know I’m a year late but I think that it’s skin might have some malleable properties. The way sins mouth moves to such a big angle makes me think it can just shift to what it wants. Maybe the skin just moved out of the way to create a vortex of some kind. It’s a bit of a stretch but I don’t wanna think of Sin sucking everyone up in his demonic butthole 😭. (Nice pfp btw I saw them live a couple months ago)
Sin is a creature that doesn't adhere to logical rules of anatomy. He used one of his hidden time-holes that glows with an unexplained light from the inside
Great video and now thinking back. Sin, Lavos, and Jenova really are some of my favorites and I think that’s because they share some of the same qualities. No I will not elaborate further.
Saving the father from the belly of the beast the echos of Pinocchio and the Bible. The prodigal son I really like these stories beautiful how all these stories are universal symbolism. Check out Jonathan Pageau.
What I'm most interested to know is who completed the pilgrimage before Braska? As They and Their Guardian are the catalyst for the chain of events that caused Tidus to defeat Sin from the inside. Did The Guardian (which would become the Final Aeon, get possessed by Yu Yevon, then rebuild Sin) know Jecht personally to specifically target him or was it mere coincidence? The method used to transport him from Dream Zanarkand to Spira clearly inspired Jecht to consider using the same method for Tidus. I suspect Jecht and Braska planned to do this two-generation approach on Sin quite early on as Jecht left spheres behind specifically for Tidus. Auron must have been told at some point too that he was to help facilitate this plan (even though he almost blew it by attacking Lady Yunalesca).
I'm a bit confused did Sin destroy Dream Zanarkand short time after the original Zanarkand was destroyed or 1000 yeas later where Tidus came to existence?
Dream Zanarkand has existed for a thousand years, far off the coast of Spira. Evidenced by the fact that it's unnconnected to any landmass as far as we can tell, whereas the actual Zanarkand is built at the foot of Mount Gagazet. t's unclear whether the Fayth have dreamed the same story with the same people over and over again, or if they imagined a continuous story for a millenium, though I suspect the latter. Sin's attack in the beginning of the game occurs a few hours or days before Tidus' subsequent arrival in Spira. Sin couldn't have attacked Zanarkand a thousand years ago, because it was created to protect Dream Zanarkand, by destroying any settlement large enough to pose a threat to it and any technology that would allow people to discover it. I think Yu Yevon originally "programmed" Sin to steer clear of Dream Zanarkand for precisely that reason, because he knew that the dream city was way beyond its alert levels in both population and technology. But to avoid Dream Zanarkand, the beast would need to know its location so as not to run into it by accident. And I think Jecht was able to use that fact to his advantage to "find his way home", as it were. But though he could steer Sin towards Dream Zanarkand, once there he couldn't stop it from attacking, because the creature's urges were too great.
No Sin only destroyed the original Zanarkand. Sin normally doesnt go directly into Dream Zanarkand so when Jecht went to DZ to pick up Tidus, Sin's destructive instincts kicked in and it started destroying the city. But Yu Yevon repaired the city afterwards
Sin is Jecht...Tidus's Father...Sin destroyed Kilika because Tidus was there.He came to see his son.Auron is the only person in the party that knows the truth about Sin.He made a promise to Jecht to look out for his son Tidus...it took me like 3 playthroughs to figure this out.2 on PS2 and 1 on PS4
I don't think I understood one single thing you talked about I only played ffx once when it came out and I didn't finish it because the story stopped making any sense to me about halfway through. I don't remember any of the context you didn't explain and I was just evaluating if I want to try playing it again. I'm still unsure as I think I'll run into the exact same problem, the story just doesn't want to make sense in the end, at least not to my satisfaction, and I can't bring myself to play an RPG for the mechanics alone. I first loved FF7 in the series, and largely due to having such a clear and compelling antagonist as Sephiroth. I can't see it working the same if it bound everything up in the complex backstory of Jenova instead.
Love your channel since you seem to bring actual sanity, insights and love to your discussions. I love Sin as a concept and plot device for the reasons you mentioned but I think there's an annoying double standard among fans regarding it out of universe. What I mean by this is that it's essentially Necron, Zeromus and Cloud of Darkness again. It's People v. Nature. Like you said, it's quintessential Final Fantasy. The reason it bothers me and seems like a double standard is that the only real difference with Sin is how on the nose it is. It's literally and physically there whereas it takes something specific to physically manifest the former into a tangible entity that must be overcome in a boss fight. I mean, if that's what people prefer, fine, but "fans" need to quit slandering those others.
A lot of speculation of whether or not yu yevon was good or evil, doesn’t matter, he was protectful of his beloved people and city. “You hurt my family, I hurt you” An innate mentality most people in the world have. The real question we should ask ourselves, “what would you have done in his place?
I like the religious connotation to it. How something once written and believed then grandfathered in can dominate an entire species evolution over thousands of years. There’s a lot of religious/spiritual imagery all over the storyline. I like to look at it as a poke in the ribs to organised religion Edit - pretty high right now so that might not make sense
I think some of use the 'Tee-dus' pronunciation as that was how it was said in the games that he appeared in outside of FFX, Kingdom Hearts and Disidia. I think he also gets that pronunciation from how Japanese would pronounce it.
Ever notice when fighting it's head before it does it's giga attack how much like a new born chick it looks like. I mean it looks like a baby bird just hatched, have a good look. One of them weird out, can't go back after that.
Can Sin poop? Does it eat? If not whats the point of it having a mouth? If it can poop, did Tidus travel to Spira though Sins bumhole? Serious answers only.
Hey alleyway I would like to discuss to you a topic on sin that I feel warrants a video on its own plz get back to me cuz I don’t think sin actually belongs in this game I feel he was shoe horned in and I got the proof to show it I feel sin was a last minute change I don’t think sin fits the narrative fully
Its a giant fish. Thats all it is. Nothting deeper, nothing cooler, its a stupid giant fish. Also one of the lamest evil creatures in all of Final Fantasy. Man, I loved how this game played but the story, setting and characters were, well, it wasnt good. I wish we had gotten a completely different games with the same mechanics because thebstorybwas always the weakest of all.
no ur right there should have been a comedically evil bad guy stroking his chin and way more explosions. the character development and the relevant to the present story about societies killing themselves trying to maintain a poisonous status quo really got in the way of that. like man, the story could not apply more to the world we live in decades after the fact.
FF10 was my first Final Fantasy and uh.. I don't think I will be playing others. Far too weird, the plot is way too out there, and I really hated every character except for Wakka...
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I think Sin is perfect because it perfectly embodies a lot of the themes in FFX. The whole of Spira thinks the monster is a punishment for their misguided ways and if they atone the creature will go way, when in reality the whole thing is a farce that exists solely to forever keep the world under the thrall of Yevon. FFX was my first FF game and to this day I remember how much it made me think about real life because of these discussions. By the way, your channel is amazing.
I also like how inspite of that even if they wanted to stop Sin, nobody in Yevon including Mika or Yunalesca could which is why they misrepresented Sin to begin with. It gives more credence that despite how corrupt the institution of Yevon is, they really believe that they can only keep the cycle going as the final summoning is the only reliable way to kill Sin. If it wasn't for the set of circumstances of Jecht being Sin and having that connection with Tidus, Sin likely would've been unbeatable. It feels realistic when you think about it like that.
I always thought in a way we were kind of living this story in real life, sin representing war. Every 70 to 100 or so years world leaders that would hardly be affected or even profit financially sending young men to fight and flatten whole countries. Round and round it goes, resetting the economy after every smashing. Us, the civilians oblivious to it all kept in a permanent state of fear being distracted, monitored and manipulated by our phones and tvs arguing amongst ourselves whilst all wanting the same things
@@Dahpiecritical thinker, appreciate your divulgence.
Ya this game was a huge part of my childhood. As an adult I see the dangers it poses to an unwary mind. Phenomenal game
"Spira is a land caught in a SPIRAL of DEATH" really hits home when you really understand what's going on.
I first played this game when I was 9 and my brother had to help me get past Bevelle, lol. Just started playing it again (20 years later). Brings back so many memories.
As a kid I always thought of Sin as some aquatic version of the grim reaper
Love this analysis. FFX has some of the most interesting and thought-provoking lore of any FF game I've played in my opinion.
Thanks, I agree with you
I felt this way until I played FF14
Very cool analysis.
When I was younger I always thought it was detriment to X that it didn't have memorable central villain like Sephiroth or Kuja, but I have come to appreciate Sin more over time. Sin encapsulates how Spira is a fallen world stuck in a destructive cycle because of wrongs made in the past, and how the people of Spira are themselves helping to maintain that cycle. FFX doesn't need a villain trying to destroy the world that has to be stopped, because the world was ruined already 1000 years ago. And the plan of the one villain trying to destroy the world feels kind of inconsequential as a result. Seymour wants to destroy Spira by becoming Sin, but Sin already exists, so nothing would really change even if he accomplished his goal. The only difference would be that the one inside Sin would be Seymour instead of Jecht.
To finally stop Sin the heroes have to turn against the very pillars of Spiran society that are maintaining the cycle. And in its own way that's a lot more daunting task to accomplish than just beating some bad guy wanting to destroy everything.
I think Seymour's plan wouldn't have worked, but that's because in time, his will would have been superseded by Yu Yevon's. At least that's my headcannon.
For all we know, Seymour's plan was unprecedented; who's to say it was doomed to fail?
@@ysgramornorris2452 It's hard to tell, the first thing Seymour would do once he has control of Sin is destroy the entire planet. It's unclear how much will the Final Aeon wields within Sin as Jecht was still able to control Sin to bring Tidus to Spira and hold back at times when Yu Yevon should have completely taken over.
Sin blew my mind back in the day. Such a cool, creative, awe inspiring and terrifying antagonist.
It's been said before, but underated channel my dude. I hope you get the recognition some day
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This is a great analysis. Nobody ever does a video on just Sin. Somehow it gets overlooked which is ironic because he’s a massive whale of death and is the driving force of the whole story.
Replaying this game for the bazillionth time. I was 12 when it first was released and i swear, this game was way ahead of its time in terms of graphics. The writing is top notch too.. till this day it's one of my favorite games of all time
Square's games had some variations of gigantic monsters of this type (i'm reluctant to call them kaiju) Jenova/The Great Calamity from FF VII and Lavos from CT. In terms of motif, Sin is the most cohesive of these.
This is so insightful. The parallels you make are amazing. It really makes me appreciate the story and characters - and the world so much more
Thank you, glad you enjoyed and it's helped you appreciate those story elements more :D
Your interpretations of these games are so insightful and clever. I've played them all tens of times over the years and would never have made any of these observations!
Thank you, glad you're enjoying these :)
Bruhh that's on you tho haha
Interesting Yunalesca didn’t recognize a world before Sin, thus showing the danger of fatherly
Relationships unquestioned in direct conflict to tidus and jecht, but in direct relationship to yuna and hers
I am well versed in FFX lore, but there's one thing i am wondering... What part of sin did Auron and Tidus get sucked up into in the beginning of the game...? I swear i'm an adult, buuut, all i can imagine is Sin sticking his cheeks below his bubble and...Yea... Thoughts?
I know I’m a year late but I think that it’s skin might have some malleable properties. The way sins mouth moves to such a big angle makes me think it can just shift to what it wants. Maybe the skin just moved out of the way to create a vortex of some kind. It’s a bit of a stretch but I don’t wanna think of Sin sucking everyone up in his demonic butthole 😭. (Nice pfp btw I saw them live a couple months ago)
His…facial cheeks?😂
Bellybutton maybe
Sin is a creature that doesn't adhere to logical rules of anatomy. He used one of his hidden time-holes that glows with an unexplained light from the inside
Sinussy
Loved that you used biblical references… took me over a decade to come back and realize those myself. Great video
Great video and now thinking back. Sin, Lavos, and Jenova really are some of my favorites and I think that’s because they share some of the same qualities. No I will not elaborate further.
Saving the father from the belly of the beast the echos of Pinocchio and the Bible. The prodigal son I really like these stories beautiful how all these stories are universal symbolism. Check out Jonathan Pageau.
@@scotta4564 Hey, clean your room.
Speaking of fathers, the only father still alive (in their own body) in the game is Cid, Riku’s father.
There were lots of fathers you see on your way to zanarkand😂
5:50 Or the Tower of Babel
What I'm most interested to know is who completed the pilgrimage before Braska? As They and Their Guardian are the catalyst for the chain of events that caused Tidus to defeat Sin from the inside. Did The Guardian (which would become the Final Aeon, get possessed by Yu Yevon, then rebuild Sin) know Jecht personally to specifically target him or was it mere coincidence? The method used to transport him from Dream Zanarkand to Spira clearly inspired Jecht to consider using the same method for Tidus. I suspect Jecht and Braska planned to do this two-generation approach on Sin quite early on as Jecht left spheres behind specifically for Tidus. Auron must have been told at some point too that he was to help facilitate this plan (even though he almost blew it by attacking Lady Yunalesca).
I'm a bit confused did Sin destroy Dream Zanarkand short time after the original Zanarkand was destroyed or 1000 yeas later where Tidus came to existence?
Dream Zanarkand has existed for a thousand years, far off the coast of Spira. Evidenced by the fact that it's unnconnected to any landmass as far as we can tell, whereas the actual Zanarkand is built at the foot of Mount Gagazet.
t's unclear whether the Fayth have dreamed the same story with the same people over and over again, or if they imagined a continuous story for a millenium, though I suspect the latter.
Sin's attack in the beginning of the game occurs a few hours or days before Tidus' subsequent arrival in Spira.
Sin couldn't have attacked Zanarkand a thousand years ago, because it was created to protect Dream Zanarkand, by destroying any settlement large enough to pose a threat to it and any technology that would allow people to discover it.
I think Yu Yevon originally "programmed" Sin to steer clear of Dream Zanarkand for precisely that reason, because he knew that the dream city was way beyond its alert levels in both population and technology. But to avoid Dream Zanarkand, the beast would need to know its location so as not to run into it by accident.
And I think Jecht was able to use that fact to his advantage to "find his way home", as it were. But though he could steer Sin towards Dream Zanarkand, once there he couldn't stop it from attacking, because the creature's urges were too great.
No Sin only destroyed the original Zanarkand. Sin normally doesnt go directly into Dream Zanarkand so when Jecht went to DZ to pick up Tidus, Sin's destructive instincts kicked in and it started destroying the city. But Yu Yevon repaired the city afterwards
Sin is Jecht...Tidus's Father...Sin destroyed Kilika because Tidus was there.He came to see his son.Auron is the only person in the party that knows the truth about Sin.He made a promise to Jecht to look out for his son Tidus...it took me like 3 playthroughs to figure this out.2 on PS2 and 1 on PS4
there are no words to describe games like ffx
ethereal maybe?
idk but the whole atmosphere of ffx is just mindblowing
@@zakiaitslimane658 yep even the soundtrack....I would love to live in the world of Spira...but without Sin lol lmao 🤣
@@Final_Fantasy_7 I'd say, songs like Spira Unchained or the Calm Lands are some of the best ambient music this series has to offer.
@@Anaklusmos42 Spira unchained? I never heard of that one 🤔
I don't think I understood one single thing you talked about I only played ffx once when it came out and I didn't finish it because the story stopped making any sense to me about halfway through. I don't remember any of the context you didn't explain and I was just evaluating if I want to try playing it again. I'm still unsure as I think I'll run into the exact same problem, the story just doesn't want to make sense in the end, at least not to my satisfaction, and I can't bring myself to play an RPG for the mechanics alone. I first loved FF7 in the series, and largely due to having such a clear and compelling antagonist as Sephiroth. I can't see it working the same if it bound everything up in the complex backstory of Jenova instead.
Great video!
Thanks man :)
Love your channel since you seem to bring actual sanity, insights and love to your discussions. I love Sin as a concept and plot device for the reasons you mentioned but I think there's an annoying double standard among fans regarding it out of universe. What I mean by this is that it's essentially Necron, Zeromus and Cloud of Darkness again. It's People v. Nature. Like you said, it's quintessential Final Fantasy. The reason it bothers me and seems like a double standard is that the only real difference with Sin is how on the nose it is. It's literally and physically there whereas it takes something specific to physically manifest the former into a tangible entity that must be overcome in a boss fight. I mean, if that's what people prefer, fine, but "fans" need to quit slandering those others.
awesome stuff as always man. you gonna be diving into elden ring next week? def my most hyped game in a long time granted I'm a soulsborne guy.
Cheers man. Totally! I have a self-defeating obsession with the soulsbourne games. I love them, but I suck at them 🤣 psyched for Elden Ring
@@AlleywayJack that's pretty much me, suck at them but loved and played them all. any games you're looking forward to that's coming, soon or far away?
@@ineedscissors6176 mainly Elden Ring, Stranger in Paradise and Sifu which I haven't got round to yet but looks ace :) and you?
Thanks for the vid
No mention of the fayth?
awesome video
Are you the same guy who does the channel lazy masquerade? Your voice is identical
A lot of speculation of whether or not yu yevon was good or evil, doesn’t matter, he was protectful of his beloved people and city.
“You hurt my family, I hurt you”
An innate mentality most people in the world have.
The real question we should ask ourselves, “what would you have done in his place?
Great video Ty
have you considered doing any AMSR content? Your voice is very soothing :) also great video!
You are not the first to suggest that :)
I like the religious connotation to it. How something once written and believed then grandfathered in can dominate an entire species evolution over thousands of years. There’s a lot of religious/spiritual imagery all over the storyline. I like to look at it as a poke in the ribs to organised religion
Edit - pretty high right now so that might not make sense
Sin the best evil boss of any game ever made
Amazing video
Thank you :)
Intriguing
Sin is a fantastic 'force of nature' 'villain'
tea-dus lol
@Kosename I always pronounced it Tide-us
I think some of use the 'Tee-dus' pronunciation as that was how it was said in the games that he appeared in outside of FFX, Kingdom Hearts and Disidia. I think he also gets that pronunciation from how Japanese would pronounce it.
How Can Seymour Become Sin?
He's Already Dead
sin is like a alien creature from another realm kind of like xen in half life 1
Ever notice when fighting it's head before it does it's giga attack how much like a new born chick it looks like. I mean it looks like a baby bird just hatched, have a good look. One of them weird out, can't go back after that.
Can Sin poop?
Does it eat? If not whats the point of it having a mouth?
If it can poop, did Tidus travel to Spira though Sins bumhole?
Serious answers only.
Am very confused because auron was a real person and we’ve seen his flashback that he died young. So as an unsent how tf did he get older
He didn't. It's a fair assumption pyreflies are capable of manifesting a natural aging process considering what else they can accomplish
I think learning the truth of Yevon aged him greatly. In a flashback to when he first met Tidus, he looked the same way he did after dying.
nice
Sin attacking dream zanarkand is based on 9/11 WTC.
Hey alleyway I would like to discuss to you a topic on sin that I feel warrants a video on its own plz get back to me cuz I don’t think sin actually belongs in this game I feel he was shoe horned in and I got the proof to show it I feel sin was a last minute change I don’t think sin fits the narrative fully
Can you elaborate?
"Praise not be to Yevon"...
So much for FFX only being story rich in Zimbabwean dollars. What do you have to say for yourself, Yahtzee?
Final fantasy X tells our current story of the matrix
Its a giant fish. Thats all it is. Nothting deeper, nothing cooler, its a stupid giant fish. Also one of the lamest evil creatures in all of Final Fantasy. Man, I loved how this game played but the story, setting and characters were, well, it wasnt good. I wish we had gotten a completely different games with the same mechanics because thebstorybwas always the weakest of all.
Man, you've not actually played the game at all.
My guy do you have the ability to appreciate a story or...
He's not a fish he's a fat big tick! 😂
no ur right there should have been a comedically evil bad guy stroking his chin and way more explosions. the character development and the relevant to the present story about societies killing themselves trying to maintain a poisonous status quo really got in the way of that. like man, the story could not apply more to the world we live in decades after the fact.
@@adolcristin3526 No that's Yu Yevon
ff10 is a bad final fantasy. and its because they screwed up who the main character is.
FF10 was my first Final Fantasy and uh.. I don't think I will be playing others. Far too weird, the plot is way too out there, and I really hated every character except for Wakka...
Username checks out.