... and so does this engine.. Do you think this F1 engine long lasting? It`s a race engine and last only for one race and then rebuild before another race.
This series of engine (used in the Brabham BT52 in 1983 season) did not produce 1280 HP. During this season it raced with approx 650bhp and could be raised to about 800bhp for qualifying. The "mesmerizing" power numbers (1400 bhp+) BMW managed to extract from later versions of this engine did not arrive until 1986, when running 5 bar boost (or maybe a little higher). Over the racing life of the engine (1982-1987: Boost pressure was severely curtailed for the 1988 season), BMW managed to add about 150hp per year on average to peak power output, which is very impressive. Having said that, the power in race trim did not follow the same curve. The 1982 engine in race trim was capable of about 600bhp. By the end of 1986 (unregulated boost still allowed) the race trim engines were thought to be developing 850-900bhp. Honourable mention also goes to Renault around this time. Their 1500cc V6 did not produce more power than their BMW competition, but they were still able to extract some 1300bhp from their engine in qualifying trim (I recall watching the Lotus mechanics simply bolting what appeared to be a a blanking plate onto the wastegate connection in 1986... allowing the engine in Senna's car to build as much manifold pressure as the turbos could provide...) The 4 bar boost limit for 1987 and 2.5 bar boost limit for 1988 effectively ended the "power race" turbo era in Formula 1... although engineers still worked very hard to find ways to force more air through the non-turbo engines in use from 1989 onwards of course.
BMW did remove or block the waste gate for qualifying. Depending on type of Turbo ( they tried a lot of different types for improving power and reducing turbo lag) they got more than 5 bars up to 5,5, even 5,8. There was recently a nice video, showing even a data sheet, but not from the works-bmw, but from Heini Mader‘s Meccachrome.
BMW did remove or block the waste gate for qualifying. Depending on type of Turbo ( they tried a lot of different types for improving power and reducing turbo lag) they got more than 5 bars up to 5,5, even 5,8. There was recently a nice video, showing even a data sheet, but not from the works-bmw, but from Heini Mader‘s Meccachrome. The weak Point was the head gasket. I did not find numbers for the torque, but with this boost figures I would estimate it was around 800 Nm. Maybe someone here has some more precise torque data.
The old picture of the factory crew with Paul Rosche is a gem. Friend and current director of F1 trackside support for Cozzy is in that picture. I'll send him your link.
I saw this car and the BT53 race four times, and twice it won. The other two the engine broke down. It sounded as if it was about to explode lap after lap, and the contrast between the brutal noise from the engine with the graceful lines of the car made a combination almost like Jekyll & Hyde. No doubt one of the most beautiful F1 cars in history, along with the Eagle Mk1. Can anyone tell me how many Brabham BMW BT52 are still in existence today? As a footnote, the innitial livery with the blue nose for me, personally, was the most beautiful version of all. Thank you for posting this.
Gorgeous Gordon Murray designed car and it is so small. I thought there was a story where Marc Surer (driving in the video) asked Paul Rosche back in the day how much BHP. The BMW dyno only went up to 1200 bhp, I think. Paul shrugged and said he thought 1400 bhp. Arrows later used them as customer engines badged as Megatron and one of the drivers said you could spin the tires on the straight away in 6th gear. Don't forget that this Gordon Murray-Paul Rosche-BMW relationship later created the McLaren F1 road car with a BMW V-12. The car won LeMans at it's first attempt. Beating prototype full race cars! Teams could run a full series of European races without a rebuild! RIP Paul.
COULD ANYONE TELL IF ONE OF THOSE BMW CLASSIC MECHANICS IS A ONE SO CALLED REINER DIPPELHOFFER? I THINK I MET HIM AND SOME OTHERS AT THE MEXICAN GP 1986...
Those were grand days in F-1. Drivers were still the masters of their steeds,no computer driver aids,just their skill and driving by the seats of their pants.
I read that modern F1 engine tolerances are so tight that at room temperature the pistons are stuck in the bore; the blocks must be warmed up before they will move/can be started.
Im a NASCAR fan an not really into F1/INDY racing but any hot rodder can appreciate an see the work put into these motors. And 1200+hp from 1.5L is amazing, anyone who dont realize the engineering marvel these motors are regardless of what you favor is crazy. Fords V8s will always be my #1 but i respect these guys an there capabilities.
Cody Clingerman also then why do V8 need to swap cylinder heads and all this other stuff too make horsepower? Don’t the stock components work or aren’t build to take more forces or power .
Damn are yall so insecure you cant accept a compliment? Lmao idk were yall come from but you need to stay there. An the term "Hot rodder" is used here in the good ole U.S.A. have you ever read a copy of hot rod magazine? Sure dont look like it
look at movies of that area... during qualifying they ran these engines so rich that they were constantly blowing black smoke, almost like a diesel engine... to prevent things from melting
At the tail end of the unregulated boost era, 1985/6, this was quite true. How well the 'running rich' plan worked I can't say (lots still blew up...), but it was common practise. Experienced observers used to watch the cars in qualifying and try to guess how much boost/power they were running by the black haze coming out of the engine cover as they went... I was never able to accurately do that, but others claimed to be!
ALoafOfBagels _ This was one of the more difficult ones to find. The song is a compilation of samples. I kept finding songs that used the lyrics, or the background music, but couldn’t find the exact song. I was about to give up before stumbling across it. The creator of the song did a great job and the editor of the video picked a perfect song to showcase that open wheel beast
@@jskip27 Of course. I love that style of electronic music, it's very nostalgic and such an epic accompaniment for the BT52, which is hands down one of my favorite racecars of all time
'Gotta wipe off every spec of dust from the crankshaft. It has to be absolutely perfect. There... now we can just TOSS IT IN CARELESSLY, HIT A FEW CORNERS ON THE WAY IN, IT DOESNT MATTER'
Jacob Westphal too funny you and six people are clueless how you need a big ring gap to make big horsepower, not to mention you need lot of engine oil . Wow another Zionist of Israel slave you and 6 other people are even those in the comments with not a clue nor know anything about automotive industry or car in general
In this year (1983), the engines weren't turning outrageous rpm. As I recall the BMW and Hart 4 cylinder engines redlined at around 10,500-11,000 rpm. The Ferrari, Renault and Honda V6s would have been turning 11,500 tops. Until Renault developed the 'pneumatic' valve spring system in 1985/6, their engines did not rev significantly higher than anyone else's.
Vlad very cool setup regardless. This is the first I've seen it done this way. Surprised I don't see others try it . Especially in the drag racing world
matt, they used a valve on the compressor inlet to push it into surge during deceleration as a form of anti-lag. (compressorwheel will spin faster if it does not displace air). The turbo's needed good seals to prevent oil being sucked in the compressor from the cartridge.
I see that all the engines are still cast and then the cylinders are sprayed with materials such as Nikasil, have manufacturers considered billet engine blocks with forged internals yet? Or are billet engines not suited for F1? If so, why?
This was not a BMW built car. BMW built the engine for the Brabham formula 1 team from 1982-1987. I am assuming that this car was either purchased from the Brabham team or donated to BMW by Brabham as 'thanks' for their considerable support for the team. It is perhaps the most beautiful F1 car of the modern era (though the Maserati 250F is hard to top!), agreed.
They use engine blocks from BMW road cars that have done over 100000 miles, they would also leave the blocks outside to be weathered so that they would not fail during the race.
More air + more fuel + efficient combustion = power.... so, more or less, yes it is the boost pressure and combustion efficiency that is the 'secret'. Just bolting on a 'bigger' turbo, however, would not necessarily produce the desired outcome...
from what era is this engine, it looks like low tech, much like a car tech engine. No F1 engines uses spring valves for instance, and cylinder wall are not so thick.
1.5 L ENGINE = 1280 HP !!! 👍
4 cylinders !
Impressive, but there are 1,000hp 4 cylinders in street cars these days. .
and for how long do they run . . .
... and so does this engine.. Do you think this F1 engine long lasting? It`s a race engine and last only for one race and then rebuild before another race.
the stress on this engine in one race is a lot more then a toyota doing 1000000 km just saying
Nelson Piquet loves this car, here in Brazil Piquet is always remember about the tão championschip that Win with this cara.🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
I just love the sound of this BMW engine. And the Brabham BT52 is one my absolute favorite F1 cars
N. Piquet. Driving a car with almost no down force and a 1000ish bph engine on the limit. Fearless. Under appreciated.
Actually quite a lot of downforce and ground effect.. but no driver aids
This series of engine (used in the Brabham BT52 in 1983 season) did not produce 1280 HP. During this season it raced with approx 650bhp and could be raised to about 800bhp for qualifying.
The "mesmerizing" power numbers (1400 bhp+) BMW managed to extract from later versions of this engine did not arrive until 1986, when running 5 bar boost (or maybe a little higher). Over the racing life of the engine (1982-1987: Boost pressure was severely curtailed for the 1988 season), BMW managed to add about 150hp per year on average to peak power output, which is very impressive. Having said that, the power in race trim did not follow the same curve. The 1982 engine in race trim was capable of about 600bhp. By the end of 1986 (unregulated boost still allowed) the race trim engines were thought to be developing 850-900bhp.
Honourable mention also goes to Renault around this time. Their 1500cc V6 did not produce more power than their BMW competition, but they were still able to extract some 1300bhp from their engine in qualifying trim (I recall watching the Lotus mechanics simply bolting what appeared to be a a blanking plate onto the wastegate connection in 1986... allowing the engine in Senna's car to build as much manifold pressure as the turbos could provide...)
The 4 bar boost limit for 1987 and 2.5 bar boost limit for 1988 effectively ended the "power race" turbo era in Formula 1... although engineers still worked very hard to find ways to force more air through the non-turbo engines in use from 1989 onwards of course.
This engine survived to '88 as the 'Megatron'.
Renault engine was more sophisticated with the use of pneumatic valve springs and variable vane dampers
BMW did remove or block the waste gate for qualifying. Depending on type of Turbo ( they tried a lot of different types for improving power and reducing turbo lag) they got more than 5 bars up to 5,5, even 5,8. There was recently a nice video, showing even a data sheet, but not from the works-bmw, but from Heini Mader‘s Meccachrome.
BMW did remove or block the waste gate for qualifying. Depending on type of Turbo ( they tried a lot of different types for improving power and reducing turbo lag) they got more than 5 bars up to 5,5, even 5,8. There was recently a nice video, showing even a data sheet, but not from the works-bmw, but from Heini Mader‘s Meccachrome. The weak Point was the head gasket. I did not find numbers for the torque, but with this boost figures I would estimate it was around 800 Nm. Maybe someone here has some more precise torque data.
80+ psi of boost, almost 99% pure Toluene in the fuel tank , and no cover or safety gear to speak of. What a machine
This is one of my most favorite videos on youtube....
The fact that is the same block of a bmw family sedan makes it special...
An incredible engine (designed by Paul Rosche) mounted to a beautiful F1 car... Designed by the legendary Gordon Murray.
6:54 the men himself.. Paul Rosche who engineered this engine .. great person
Passed away last year ....R.I.P.
Nelson piquet o melhor desenvolvedor de carros que ja vi !!!!!
The old picture of the factory crew with Paul Rosche is a gem. Friend and current director of F1 trackside support for Cozzy is in that picture. I'll send him your link.
I saw this car and the BT53 race four times, and twice it won. The other two the engine broke down. It sounded as if it was about to explode lap after lap, and the contrast between the brutal noise from the engine with the graceful lines of the car made a combination almost like Jekyll & Hyde. No doubt one of the most beautiful F1 cars in history, along with the Eagle Mk1.
Can anyone tell me how many Brabham BMW BT52 are still in existence today? As a footnote, the innitial livery with the blue nose for me, personally, was the most beautiful version of all. Thank you for posting this.
Gorgeous Gordon Murray designed car and it is so small. I thought there was a story where Marc Surer (driving in the video) asked Paul Rosche back in the day how much BHP. The BMW dyno only went up to 1200 bhp, I think. Paul shrugged and said he thought 1400 bhp. Arrows later used them as customer engines badged as Megatron and one of the drivers said you could spin the tires on the straight away in 6th gear.
Don't forget that this Gordon Murray-Paul Rosche-BMW relationship later created the McLaren F1 road car with a BMW V-12. The car won LeMans at it's first attempt. Beating prototype full race cars! Teams could run a full series of European races without a rebuild! RIP Paul.
Engine was a powerhouse. One of the greatest F1 cars of all time!
Nelson Piquet & BMW champions
😭😭it’s so beautiful I’m crying 😭
No power tools, only hand tools, the delicateness going into this engine is immaculate.
Killed the music !!!
This was the golden era of F1, late 70's to mid 80's.
I was born in 2000 and all F1 cars sound like vacuum cleaners now XD I wish I could have witnessed 80's F1, DTM or Group B racing...
Lol the 2004 ferrari was the best car ever in f1, after that it went downhill fast.
Back to the era when the sky is the only limit compare to nowaday f1
Beautiful f1 car with brutal power
GEAR DRIVEN VALVETRAIN!! My little M10 needs that.
THE GENIUS ROSCHE HAD TO MAKE THE VIDEO COMPLETE. GERMAN INNOVATION, PRECISION AND ENGINEERING PROWESS REMAINS UNRIVALLED
My favorite Formula 1 car of the 80s beautiful and brutal
The car is beautiful, like a minimalist view of the future, much better than the modern monstrosities
COULD ANYONE TELL IF ONE OF THOSE BMW CLASSIC MECHANICS IS A ONE SO CALLED REINER DIPPELHOFFER? I THINK I MET HIM AND SOME OTHERS AT THE MEXICAN GP 1986...
Those were grand days in F-1. Drivers were still the masters of their steeds,no computer driver aids,just their skill and driving by the seats of their pants.
...... Plus three pedals and an 'H' pattern box !
Um dos carros mais bonitos da F1.
In the workshop parking lot is a bulldozer with it's hood up and it's turbo missing.
Was für ein Lader .....unglaublich !
I read that modern F1 engine tolerances are so tight that at room temperature the pistons are stuck in the bore; the blocks must be warmed up before they will move/can be started.
Im a NASCAR fan an not really into F1/INDY racing but any hot rodder can appreciate an see the work put into these motors. And 1200+hp from 1.5L is amazing, anyone who dont realize the engineering marvel these motors are regardless of what you favor is crazy. Fords V8s will always be my #1 but i respect these guys an there capabilities.
Cody Clingerman wtf is a hot rod der it’s just called modify cars . A hot rod is a type of car style in the car world . And your a car enthusiast wow
Cody Clingerman even the too other muppets that liked your sad comment are clueless
Cody Clingerman also then why do V8 need to swap cylinder heads and all this other stuff too make horsepower? Don’t the stock components work or aren’t build to take more forces or power .
Damn are yall so insecure you cant accept a compliment? Lmao idk were yall come from but you need to stay there. An the term "Hot rodder" is used here in the good ole U.S.A. have you ever read a copy of hot rod magazine? Sure dont look like it
Gaz Girl Someone seems to be a little annoyed.
Nelson Piquet best car
look at movies of that area... during qualifying they ran these engines so rich that they were constantly blowing black smoke, almost like a diesel engine... to prevent things from melting
Very minimal cooling on the qualifying car for minimal drag probably didn't the engines to much either
At the tail end of the unregulated boost era, 1985/6, this was quite true. How well the 'running rich' plan worked I can't say (lots still blew up...), but it was common practise. Experienced observers used to watch the cars in qualifying and try to guess how much boost/power they were running by the black haze coming out of the engine cover as they went... I was never able to accurately do that, but others claimed to be!
Static shots of the car are 👌hats of to whoever did the lights and camera.
What nobody notices, this isn’t a valve timing variant for fuel efficiency. This is a direct power, raw, angry! Smiles per gallon!
Music: Festuca - For The Music and Who We are - Hans Atom
I knew someone in the comments would have it, thank you so much!
ALoafOfBagels _ This was one of the more difficult ones to find. The song is a compilation of samples. I kept finding songs that used the lyrics, or the background music, but couldn’t find the exact song. I was about to give up before stumbling across it. The creator of the song did a great job and the editor of the video picked a perfect song to showcase that open wheel beast
@@jskip27 Of course. I love that style of electronic music, it's very nostalgic and such an epic accompaniment for the BT52, which is hands down one of my favorite racecars of all time
'Gotta wipe off every spec of dust from the crankshaft. It has to be absolutely perfect. There... now we can just TOSS IT IN CARELESSLY, HIT A FEW CORNERS ON THE WAY IN, IT DOESNT MATTER'
Amazing! Thx
Perhaps there were several versions of this engine but I heard that they used titanium rods, fabricated from sheet/plate?
AWESOME concept
It's not a concept. It's an 1980's F1 car.
Wow, mechanical fuel injection, I didn't see a single gasket either, the tolerances on that block must be mad tight
Jacob Westphal too funny you and six people are clueless how you need a big ring gap to make big horsepower, not to mention you need lot of engine oil . Wow another Zionist of Israel slave you and 6 other people are even those in the comments with not a clue nor know anything about automotive industry or car in general
Jacob Westphal nine muppets without a clue in the comments. Troll
Gaz Girl 😂
Gaz Girl what's your problem dood? 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Sean Price stfu you Zionist of Israel slave . Assume too much who said anything about being a Palestinian ?!
Is the compressor housing made of composite?
2 bolt caps on the crank thats it?! At those RPM? Must be some good bolts.
Doubt that the engines lasted long, the flex around those main caps must have been significant.
I was thinking the same thing. It looks like something you would see in 1955.
In this year (1983), the engines weren't turning outrageous rpm. As I recall the BMW and Hart 4 cylinder engines redlined at around 10,500-11,000 rpm. The Ferrari, Renault and Honda V6s would have been turning 11,500 tops.
Until Renault developed the 'pneumatic' valve spring system in 1985/6, their engines did not rev significantly higher than anyone else's.
Throttle body is on the turbo?! Interesting setup. No need for a bov? Good for boost surge too I bet
I think it had a mechanical spring bov somewhere....and external wastegate.
Vlad very cool setup regardless. This is the first I've seen it done this way. Surprised I don't see others try it . Especially in the drag racing world
matt, they used a valve on the compressor inlet to push it into surge during deceleration as a form of anti-lag. (compressorwheel will spin faster if it does not displace air). The turbo's needed good seals to prevent oil being sucked in the compressor from the cartridge.
Does anyone know the name of the song near the end?
Is it just this car or do all f1 cars have 2 head - for valve springs etc and 1 for camshafts I’ve only ever seen cars with 1 head for both
How could anyone dislike this video 🤷♂️🤦♂️
iaf142 the ones who dislikes the video drive Toyota’s minivan
I wish Bmw would still race in F1☹️
It is not a BMW F1 Car BT52 but a BRABHAM BMW BT52 ... this car is a Brabham , the constructor.
This turbo is giant.
My bmw 135i has a tiny turbo.
Amazing! Formula 1 cars of today should be making at least 1500hp reliably in my opinion. The cars are too safe for lack of a better word.
"too safe" I'd rather not have drivers dying..would you rather have wheel to wheel action or cars leading by more than 20 seconds?
Better sounding than V6 turbo
Used stock iron block
AMAZING
I see that all the engines are still cast and then the cylinders are sprayed with materials such as Nikasil, have manufacturers considered billet engine blocks with forged internals yet? Or are billet engines not suited for F1? If so, why?
Great
whats the name of the song,,
is this the episode where sergeant Schultz walks in to Colonel Klink and says “I know nothing”?
That should be the Formula BMW classics series. Make 20 of them and sell them really expensive. Gentleman series with the right everything.
This was not a BMW built car. BMW built the engine for the Brabham formula 1 team from 1982-1987. I am assuming that this car was either purchased from the Brabham team or donated to BMW by Brabham as 'thanks' for their considerable support for the team.
It is perhaps the most beautiful F1 car of the modern era (though the Maserati 250F is hard to top!), agreed.
Like theme song too🤖
Is this remastered?
Now I know how to make one in my garage
They use engine blocks from BMW road cars that have done over 100000 miles, they would also leave the blocks outside to be weathered so that they would not fail during the race.
true fact as said on several motoring tv programs.
says many old cars with cracked engines
I heard the employees used to piss on them for good measure. Something in the urine corroded them a certain way. Not shitting you.
Chuck Beef true actually worked aswell.
i think it was like the phneumonia from the urine or something
Das wohl sehenswerteste Formel 1 Auto der Geschichte 👽🖖😎
Wow did I see that right alloy block with 2 bolt mains!!!!!!!!!
Not a torque wrench in sight purely feel
Let's see them scarifice one of these engines by giving it the full 1280hp and letting a younger driver try a qualifying lap in it.
I just need that 16v head to put on my 2002.
You will have your flow cut because you dont have such much air flowing through.
Production BMW Automobile with cast iron block
Meticulous skill
Impressive
What was the stroke and RPM of this unit ?
If these gentlemen went through my 10 year old engine... they would probably tell me to throw it away 😁
Sounds like my BMW S1K. But only revs to 14,500 RPM.
Nice Conrods ...
What is the name of the song playing at the end?
Darude - Sandstorm.
3:17 (GONE SEXUAL)
Nax FM If you want her to moan, you have to please her first. She moans loud and excites.
Gotta lube that cylinder for this piston
What's the name of the song?
Who We Are - Hans Atom
Took me a while
All d Maestros
good
500 kg and over 1000 hp rwd toy for fearless boy...Catch me if you can :-)) Little bit scary in the rain in Monaco's walls...
power to weight ratio over 2:1, currently it's only about 1.25:1.
My friend Harold Drinkwater worked on this car... Has some great stories
Bugatti veyron : sweats prefusly
At $400 meat medley is more like MONEY MEDLEY for the seller.
I thought they used pressurized nitrogen instead of valve train springs
That's in the newer high revving cars, these engines from the 80s had more in common with road cars.
Estos tipos si armaban un motor como hombres. Ponían el aceite, el sellador con la mano. Levantaban el cigüeñal y lo que les tocara.
I heard they left the block in the Rain and peed on it. That's where the mad power comes from lol..Would it fit on my E30 ??
Yes! no doubt !!!
It's got the wheelbase of an original mini Cooper...
Need this engine in a E30 or e9 chassis
The block is actually a m10 block lol. If we could get a dual overhead cam cylinder head to fit then we could have a pretty killer 4 cylinder
Simple and reliable. Wait what?
The secret is the turbo?
More air + more fuel + efficient combustion = power.... so, more or less, yes it is the boost pressure and combustion efficiency that is the 'secret'. Just bolting on a 'bigger' turbo, however, would not necessarily produce the desired outcome...
The fangtech love New engine before installation engine parts it need technic work to the engine.
wait why 16 cylinders?
这车的外观， 怎么看都不像是f1， 可能是f3 吧。。发动机的功率倒是不小。
这可是bt52啊，皮奎特的冠军车，给你一下说成f3了。。。
Not a torque wrench in site 😂
Very good engine but, is the fuel legal ?
Upsss, I know... It's forbidden to talk about that... :D
What kind of fuel has been used. Methanol?
All these parts look really old.
Does it have Aircondition 😂?
no, but at 350km/h and no closed cabin you won't need it😂
4 cilindros????
А в цилиндрах то зеркало!
да,а земля плоская
car lore
from what era is this engine, it looks like low tech, much like a car tech engine. No F1 engines uses spring valves for instance, and cylinder wall are not so thick.
how did nelson piquet survived that fking deathtrap ?!? obs: BMW F1 Car BT52 1280(wheel) HP