Honestly glad both Brandon and Ryan were able to go back and forth testing each others ideas and points. That’s the type of discussion I wanna see more of, not people just shutting others down and calling each other stupid.
Yes. An actual conversation. One with humor. Grit, and honesty. One that shows the pitfalls of natural speech and how much common ground we really do share rather than some news worthy scrubbed audio clip.
Ryan trying to doxx that one x channel (was it end wokeness?) as a traitorous purveyor of misinformation and disinformation unmasked him as an establishment shill. Who can't help adoring himself with his $20k his watch and his hat as journalist decoration. I'm surprised there are so many gullible saps out there.
Brandon ran away toward the "muh freedum uf speech" argument (which completely misses the point) because he knows that if Ryan is right the US should get more involved against Russia since this is exactly what they do Weaponized disinformation is not freedom of speech
@@breadmanwalking no one gets selected (not elected your vote doesn't matter) for congress that isn't owned. Same as President. Same as state legislatures. SAmes as governors. Until yall realize that you'll keep making new york liberals that are pro red flag laws, banned bumpstocks, closed the economy, and printed 2/3 of all dollars ever printed leading to record inflation people like Trump
I completely see Ryan’s point. But what he’s describing is essentially a modern version of the Patriot Act. And that has been a bad enough roadblock for civil liberties in this country, what he’s suggesting is going to backfire horribly once the power changes hands.
He doesn't have a point. The dude literally went full soyjak during the starting months of the Ukrianian war, and if I remember correctly, ended up deleting posts telling people about how various propaganda pieces were totally real, like the Snake Island incident, and the Ghost of Kyiv, just to save face. Could be wrong, or misremembering, but this guy is the equivalent those who, after September 11th, wanted to waive all civil liberties without realizing how dangerous that is, despite him being former military.
@@bigmyke2008 a propagandist working for the enemy and/or in service of an enemy is a legitimate military target. All that being said, this type of thinking is ripe for abuse.
@@therobustempyrean1436don’t forget he told people it was a good thing that we were sending weapons to Ukraine because then the government would buy new weapons spurring American job growth when we know that isn’t true
Free speech is too important to restrict. "Those who would give up necessary freedom for a little temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
Ironic considering this video is about disinformation. Benjamin Franklin was advocating FOR MORE GOVERNMENT SECURITY in the discussion that quote is pulled from.
Free speech is independent citizens expressing their own beliefs. Not people organized by a government to speak under the guise of individualism. Thats propaganda
@@gamedemon89 but isn't that the excuse they're using to try to silence people like Unsubscribe? that we're "far-right propogandists?" If a rule exists it will be exploited. I'd rather have the ability to speak freely even if i have to argue with braindead government simps in the process, rather than be safe from bot comments and propaganda at the cost of being blocked if I go against someone's personal beliefs.
@@gamedemon89and what happens if your speech happens to align with the foreign policy goals of another nation? I really don’t like this new patriot act that’s being hinted at here
This is the type of discussion we have to have. Brandon is right, and Ryan is not wrong. Sorting this out is critical. And doing with humor and good will is the way.
@@Spartan322 Ryan comes off as a person who is an opportunist who assists the “morals” of those he is working for. He’s friends with those he was killing last week and vice versa. That’s the vibe he gives off. And seriously, what person who isn’t a stereotype of a movie villain wears a fedora?
The debate is exactly why we need Brandon and people like him in Congress. Instead of using talking points, and personal attacks when those fail, which both parties to (left more than right); Brandon wants to discuss the issues from both sides. He bases his arguments on personal freedoms first, other considerations second. They may not find a mutually beneficial solution, but each respects the other because they don’t resort to attacks or lies to support their opinions. This is how Congress should function.
I disagree, I've heard more personal attacks come from the right, more disinformation coming from the right, and more blatant lies and deception coming from the right, ever since Trump donned his red hat.
I'm 100% with Brandon on this one. I'm not willing to give up my freedoms and liberties for an illusion of safety. Ryan had some very interesting stories and it was definitely a good episode and he was a great guest, but I just have a weird feeling about this guy.
The only part that made me think about it as legit is when he compared it to a factory making artillery shells. Like, there are entire buildings that are dedicated to spreading social media misinformation that work for the FSB, these are organizations that are intentionally trying to cause significant issues to people not just in America but everywhere in the west. Now is that building fair game? Where is the line between a soldier firing at you and people weaponizing social media? That is what I took away from it. I also feel that Ryan says things that make me feel... well a specialist in disinformation is doing it to me with that particular comment sometimes, but others he has really great information and takes.
Same dude seems like he likes tyranny like he doesn't understand the constitution and what our founders supported. Tbh he's left wing progressive as far as I know.
Everyone si allowed to have their opinions. Have a spicy one that differs from yours inspiring a 'weird feeling' is part of the problem in the world. Dont be like the Karens, mate.....
Now this is what I watch these for. The humor was wondrous and the conversation deep and thought-provoking. Excellent!!! I see both sides of the argument and I agree with both sides. The real problem is that the government has proven beyond a doubt that it cannot be trusted to do the right thing and not use the power it has against its own citizens. Therefore unless that changes (good luck with that) then Brandon is absolutely right in standing against the idea. I stand with him.
The best defense against disinformation while maintaining the integrity of free speech is information literacy. At least that's what I've discovered while getting my masters in library and information science and my own continuing research into the topic.
I completely agree. It saddens me to see that the American public continues to get stupider and stupider as a whole. Taking the Jeffersonian approach not much BS passes the smell test when you educate yourself through research and apply a little common sense.
Yup. And the military industrial complex isn’t just the big companies, it’s the complex of companies that make the scale of US military production feasible. I guarantee you that 90% of large manufacturing companies have jobs involving Defense contractors.
@americankid7782 I think the point he was making was the the military-industrial complex isn't nearly as powerful as people believe. That they just don't have the resources to pull strings to start wars just for profit. They just don't have that kind of cash on hand. Like how everyone believed the Rochschild group was puppeteering the world until someone actually got inside one of their meetings and discovered that it was at best a damage control group filled with bankers bitching about their finanicial problems and making deals with each other just to keep from collapsing.
Doesn't Proctor and Gamble make consumer products (e.g., toothpaste, dish soap, and deodorant)? As a Coof survivor, I still have a bone to pick with Big Toilet Paper, but overall, I can't imagine there's TOO much nefarious shit going down in that sector.
What's the term... Whataboutism. People like Ryan use that term to deflect criticism of his opinions, but that is exactly what he did here. Never mind the frequent opinions and assumptions he often passes off as fact.
I think the alternative has to be a more transparent government that is actually trustworthy. If we can have faith that our politicians and our allies are ethical people, we should be able to ignore the crazy slander when everyone asserts that it's made up. The issue in my mind is that education is currently designed to create cogs in a machine that do not question what authority tells them. Granted, if FOREIGN enemies are using it as a wing of their military machine while WE are in a conflict with them, glass em
Biggest problems with that are twofold. You can’t legislate morality only punish those who step too far away from it. The same people who’d be expected to follow those rules are the same people who would be writing them. The “who watches the watchmen” conundrum.
He looks like the guy in Jurassic park who is trying to steal the dinosaur DNA in the shaving foam can who gets acid attacked by the wee dinosaur with the neck collar.
@@caseyshearer9519 ever notice how he seems to gleefully go after people on the right and make pains to excuse those on the left? I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am.
@jerramiehelmick4408 You're definitely wrong, he usually goes against folk talking about war/conflict with civilian backgrounds. He tears plenty of blues arseholes on his substack
Both Ryan and Brandon are correct, my dad and I discussed this as well after the podcast dropped. These bot farms can actually be used as a weapon like Ryan said, but there would need to be sufficient restraint to avoid them being used against Americans who simply repost something that an establishment disagrees with
Finding the line between speech and weaponization is easier if we can separate origin, method of dissemination, and intent. Those are a 3 prong proof that should help separate simple disagreement from manipulative disinformation campaigns.
They're not a weapon if you punish people who actually break the law, people shutting down a bridge is only a problem when you don't arrest them for violating the rights of others, a protest isn't valid if it has to violate the rights of someone else.
@@Spartan322they’re still weapons, the only thing that changes is the way they’re being employed. You have reckless, irresponsible, and indiscriminate employment and you have targeted, strategical, surgical responsible employment. Information and manipulation is as much a weapon as a grunt with a TOW system. But what has to be done is a system must be put in place with oversight and accountability. Problem is this argument (like most) is circular in nature, because inevitably there will be bad actors who will turn it against those it was never intended to target. Brandon is right tho, the laws and such that have been crafted haven’t taken into account the advances made in the last decade or so
@@Spartan322 in the bridge example the protestors are not the enemy they are talking about. Arresting the protestors is like claiming you stopped a sniper because you confiscated the bullet he shot a target with. The real enemy is the foreign actor that convinced the protestors to go there in the first place. If the patsies they used on day 1 to block the bridge means nothing to them. They can use disinformation and manipulation in social media they can have other protestors or cause other civil unrest elsewhere.
I agree with Ryan and Brandon. Ryan worries about foreign actors compromising US citizens and convincing them to commit acts of terrorism. Brandon worries that measures taken to counteract this legitimate threat will be abused. In truth, i believe Ryan wants to eliminate the threat at the source instead of target US citizens who don't cross the line.
I get that same feeling, I think.. I'm pretty sure he has good intentions, but as we already know by our gov's track record if they have the ability to abuse a power or responsibility they have then they most likely will. And what Ryan is suggesting would 100% be abused.
@@RT-qd8yl The government abusing the 1st Amendment does have historical precedence dating all the way back to the Civil War and most likely even before. People who side with Brandon have a lot of ammo here. Foreign governments and ideologies radicalizing US citizens to cause instability didn't pick up until the early 20th century. Which all majoropen attempts at combating have been demonized in the current education system. People who support Ryan also have a point.
Project mockingbird was mothballed back in the day BUT reinstituted in the NDAA of Dec. 24, 2012 signed by then pres Obama at shortly before midnight...the sifference between former utilization and current iteration is in the target audiences. The original project was to be used, solely, as a disinformation tool against potential adversarial nations. The current iteration still includes that measure but also includes the mass populace of our home nation all reservations swept under the rug under the guise of "national security" which allows media outlets, news publications and other printed or audio visual media implementation to lie, omit, convolute, distort, deny, or even generate without verified proof of validity.
So he thinks the programmers aren't smart enough to make the bots post stoopid things like, "hey, look what I'm about to eat for lunch." ...in order to make them appear more human?
Those who would trade essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety- Benjamin Franklin Thomas Jefferson -when tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty. If facisim ever returns to America it will come in the name of liberalism.-Ronald Regan
Mr. Franklin was advocating FOR more government security in the discussion that quote is cherry picked from. Thomas Jefferson isn’t recorded as writing or saying that.
I see information about a topic, and then go do logical research from multiple sources (credibility is eh at best anymore) for myself, and not just one or two sources, but a minimum of four sources
Ryan and nick on the podcast is what I've been waiting for, after seeing him on Demolition Ranch yesterday this is why TH-cam is better than anything on TV.
I made an algorithm to target speech prompts (Not for ads but for recipes and grade changes) but its wayyyyy harder to get text to speech info to turn out ads, its super easy to go "He has typed in these 4 letters, and in 97% of historical cases, when he types in these 4 letters, the rest of the letters are xyz". You know how text to speech always comes out like dog shit? Well that info goes in like dog shit also when you have to use it to do predictive models, so Ryan is actually probably correct about that one, at least to the best of my knowledge. Always happy to be corrected but that was definitely my experience
@CountryAndPrpocketake your phone, shove it in your pocket, and tell it to do anything in a normal speaking voice you would use in conversation and tell me it knows you want a flight out of X airport on Y date and you'll be staying at Z hotel. If you open it and scream at it in perfect diction 3 times it can usually understand you by the third. Thats not what people are concerned about and not whats being discussed.
@@Grassroots_Hegemon mine works fine. Several phones (all Samsung). Thy hey google thing will trigger when I'm across the hall in my roommates room with the doors open when I mention something about google. Obviously covering up the microphone will prevent that... like covering up a speaker and asking why the sound isn't as long. Duh
I strongly disagree that such a thing or act needs to exist or that the “Patriot” act needs amending. Such a thing would be ripe for abuse and would be used against the more vocal public. Tyrants being tyrants after all. The question that always needs to be asked is SHOULD we do this. Answer is usually no in regard for trading civil liberty.
Those who would trade essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety- Benjamin Franklin Thomas Jefferson -when tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty. If facisim ever returns to America it will come in the name of liberalism.-Ronald Regan This is the American values the values of our for fathers the creators of the strongest country the earth has ever seen. I'm Scott Irish and Cherokee my family immigrated here in the 1600s to Georgia. We didn't fight serving Law enforcment ,military , politics, even back breaking labor ,and pay taxes, to give up those rights.
@@RT-qd8ylSad thing about being in the military and traveling outside of the US afterwards is that we aren't as "Free" as we think we are. The same economic control and intelligence tactics have been used on the US population since the at least the end of WW2.
I don't trust Ryan one bit. I used to be subscribed to him and he always said "if it smells fishy then it probably is". Well, he started smelling fishy. At the time I unsubscribed, it was some time in either later 2023 or early 2024. He was posting about pro-Ukrainian stuff and anti-Israel stuff. I asked a question in his comment section about why he hardly talked about Hamas and Iran pushing misinformation and he responded with not an answer to my question, but a brag about how he worked for Newsweek and was Irish Catholic. Someone else responded in the comments that if you looked closely at his content of the time, it followed TH-cam protocol: promote Hamas and reject Israel. Whether Ryan Macbeth knows it or not (which is really ironic for his job that he does), he's helping the bad guys by focusing on what Israel is doing wrong for misinformation, further promoting anti-Semitism and pro-hamas. Side note: you'd think that as a former soldier who fought in the sandbox, he'd be more interested in talking about the Gaza war, but he's so focused on Ukraine. It's all a ruse.
@@lizardninja007 He's grifting off the war in Europe. I doubt he had many friends in his platoon. I was in 1/12 batt 4th ID and when I subscribed to Ryan, I was unsubbed in a few videos. I smell Blue Falcon all over that dirt bird. I also suspect he prefers sausage over an open faced roast beef if you know what I mean.....🤣
@@dmacarthur5356 funny considering the current drama of pundits like Benny Johnson and Tim pool getting paid 400k a month by RT to push their talking points without mentioning it
I love this podcast, and especially Nic, but yall are wrong for this. We must stand by our principles unwaveringly, which includes freedom of speech. Brandon is 100% on point.
Except he isn't talking about killing people for expressing opinions but targeting organised disinformatipn weaponized by a foreign power. Why are you all running toward the "freedom of speech" when it is clearly not about that
I think the diehards are missing the point he was trying to make. There is a difference between freedom of speech, or when it's your job to incite terror. And the people he is talking about aren't your joe-blow Americans. They are people with ties to terrorists or rival nations. I wouldn't want my government rounding up a citizen for saying something they don't like, but I also wouldn't want someone in my neighborhood fresh from Russia or North Korea trying to convince my neighbors to riot against the capitalist pigs in charge etc etc
I don't see how this is a freedom of speech issue, the people Ryan is wanting to target are not American citizens therefore they have no freedom of speech, furthermore he specifically was speaking of foreign people in the employment of hostile governments. American rights don't exist outside American borders.
Thats some BS. Lockheed Martin revenue last year was $71 BILLION and thats only one of the 5 he was talking about. Good for Brandon to speak up. Also I know 6 or 7 people that work for contractors so.............
Not disagreeing with your intent but just wanted to point out that the revenue of a publicly traded company is a measure of sales and services provided, not necessarily growth or profitability. Defense contractors do not need to be profitable, they need to be competitive. The products and services these companies produce cannot be sold to households. They sell to governments exclusively. Defense contractors are basically civilian infrastructure doing the government’s bidding. They can pay out salaries and grow as needed, but the market won’t tolerate excess overcharging**. Not when cost overruns can tank very expensive forward-looking projects, leaving defense contractors with very expensive R&D costs totally sunk. **Yes, I know government corruption exists. But accounting for the dollar value costs of corruption in procurement cycles is a totally different issue than assessing the profitability of Lockheed Martin. LM can’t sell an F-22 in Macy’s. GE sells consumer goods, and can reap profits from their consumer segments.
This is 100% my new favorite podcast... The humor is ON POINT and paralleled... But, when dicussions are deep, treat them deep and keep the humor to a dull roar..
Regarding the discussion around 21:30 ish. I'm really leery of calling a person misleading people to utilize their speech in a certain way a weapon system. It seems like way too small of a step between calling the instigator a weapon (and for that matter how do you differentiate between a malicious enemy agent and a true believer who was misled themselves? Is that a distinction without a difference?), and potentially calling the protestors who are applying the effect they were misled into doing a weapon. REALLY want to be careful with this kind of thing, I mean holy fuck the potential for misuse by a corrupt leader...
It’s not even potential misuse, it’s actively happening. There are countries where stating literal provable historically documented FACTS will get you arrested, and the US will be no different if we give that power to the federal government.
You can't compromise on free speech. Fuck censorship, and especially fuck the government killing people for their speech. Yeah, we may be targeted by foreign adversaries, but we are also being targeted by a domestic adversary, the US government. I'm 100% team Brandon on this.
I like how Ryan himself is presenting the best possible counterpoint to the censorship argument by destroying his reputation on his own while nobody tells him to shut up
"the phone isn't listening to you." bullshit. I don't live with anyone and I'm the only one using my wifi or internet. Still within a couple minutes the shit I was talking to myself about pops up... BY MYSELF! and yes I talk to myself and no alexas or anything like that either. Edit - Holy shit the more this guy spoke the most it made no damn sense. I hope he was just drunk and not making any sense but I feel like that isn't the truth.
As an American citizen I should have first dibs at procuring a tow missile that the military needs to replace according to the second amendment, that is what actually gives me the ability to fight off a dictatorial government.
Ryan McBeth also thinks people he simply disagrees with should be censored. He's a classic case of calling anyone with a different political opinion "misinformation"
I have the God-given right to build JDAM's for Raytheon. That doesnt protect me as a military target. If we were to apply it to foreign nationals for just a minute, the existence of the First Amendment doesnt protect you from reprisal from criminal harm. If you yell FIRE in a crowded theater, and it causes deaths, you WILL be prosecuted. You probably WONT be if no one is hurt however, and THATS the dividing line here. Your drunk uncle calling for the death of a politician isnt going to meaningfully contribute to the radicalization of a lone gunman. A BOT FARM, and lets remember here, the bot farm is SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO CAUSE HARM, that targets a depressed loner and deliberately tries to radicalize them into shooting a politician, THAT is a MUCH greater threat. And it has a CAPACITY for harm that your drunk uncle never will. I fully support an individuals right to free speech. And i definitely think deescalation should be attempted before "kinetic action" is taken. But the Oligarch who owns dozens of bot farms and has contracts with the Russian government, isnt going to be persuaded by some Americans asking them nicely to please stop. Now i also get where Brandon is playing Devils Advocate and saying "But what about when America is the one doing it?" Because we absolutely ARE. There are bot farms here in the US, im sure. And im equally sure some of them at least are targeting Russians. So how do i feel about the suggestion that RUSSIA takes kinetic action against an American working for a bot fatm? Well, i dont LIKE it, but i wouldn't regard it as a war crime. Nor would i regard it as an attack on free speech. Because if im willing to accept kinetic action on a Russian bot farm, i have to be willing to accept the possibility of kinetic action against an AMERICAN bot farm. But thats a gamble weve ALL agreed to anyway. This isnt new. EVERY American who wants the US government to defend them from foreign aggressors, has already accepted that less-than-acceptable tit for tat type of conflict. Because it happens EVERY day. You think the CIA asks the CCP nicely to give up national secrets? NO! Of course not! And while we clutch our pearls about Chinese spies being limo drivers for our Congressmen, we nevertheless understand that there are AMERICAN spies probably holding the door open for Xi Jinping. Its a risk we accept. We play the spy vs spy game knowing full well that there are American spies in other countries and other countries spies HERE. And those spies are killed REGULARLY. I dont see the bot farm as any different. We're waging a clandestine war with Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and likely plenty of other places. But i dont see the difference between Jason Bourne killing a Taliban defense contractor and a Taliban bot farm employee. Neither one of them killed Americans. Yet that Taliban defense contractor is no different than the CEO of Lockheed Martin. Why is it okay to kill the Taliban version of BAE Systems but NOT the actual CEO of BAE Systems? The answer is that its not any different. One is an enemy, and one is a friend. But that enemy STILL didnt kill any Americans. So why is he a valid target? Because hes actively promoting the destruction of America. And that's exactly what a bot farm does. I genuinely dont see the difference. The First Amendment doesnt change the call to harm that our enemies are making. Including bot farms.
Bot farms are not weapons. Speech is never a weapon. Those gullible to propaganda are the problem. Only authoritarian oligarchs argue as you do. Your copy Pasta was useless and ineffective. You complain about eeeeevil Putin all the while you are supporting the slow creep into Soviet style control. Congratulations.
“The military industrial complex doesn’t exist” -someone who literally works for the military industrial complex (admitted he currently works for a defense contractor and has been in the field a very long time)
@@Talon19 what is there to cherry pick about Ryan’s statement that the MIC doesn’t exist/isn’t a threat/have power because there are other larger(net worth) companies than all the defense contractors combined? His argument was a fallacy.
@@jerramiehelmick4408 Congrats on ignoring literally every point and evidence given to myopically think only of one line. Move the goalposts as wide as you want, the amount of influence the mic has is ridiculously small compared to other sectors.
@@Talon19 non sequitur. Just because the pharmaceutical complex is larger it doesn’t follow then that the MIC doesn’t exist or have power. Then when one figures in that the media/communication complex produces propaganda for the MIC, the energy complex ensures our gov/MIC functions over all else, our road system is specifically made for the military, as well as every other aspect of economy is made to support our military, one starts to see how big the MIC is. See Ryan and you only factor in the industry part (myopically so) of the MIC. Factor in the defense budget, VA, and the value of bases and material as well as civilian workforce, the MIC values into the multiple trillions. But yeah, we are the ones not seeing the forest for the trees right…???
@@Talon19 no, I watched this whole podcast and enjoyed it, this dude’s argument was just extremely weak when it came to this topic. All he kept saying was how the top 10 defense contractors ‘only’ made $11 billion or something in 2023 (those numbers are probably a little off because I’m recalling them from memory, but I’m pretty sure that’s close to what he said). And he just kept bringing up other massive multibillion dollar corporations and saying they made even more money than the defense contractors, and the military industrial complex therefore doesn’t exist because of that (somehow) This guy just said a lot of questionable things in general that raised a lot of red flags for me. I don’t necessarily think he’s an evil person or anything, this podcast was my first and only exposure to him, so I have no clue what his character is truly like. He was entertaining, but the dude is just shady as hell.
I say "hands off" get government out of life. Reduce them down to the studs. No censorship. Id rather have misinformation that im responsible to sort, than have filtered news by people who decide what i should watch or read
I do a lot of work in Silicon Valley. I visited all the tech companies, Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grunman. You just have to stand outside their respective compounds to see where the real money is. Hint: it ain't Northrop Grunman looking like an Army base from the 1950's.
I mean the whole idea "We're giving them our old stuff" is great and all, but then why is BlackRock and Vanguard acting as the holding agent for hundreds of millions of dollars in Ukraine Aid?
Yes we have a military industrial complex. To define an industrial complex is a socioeconomic concept wherein businesses become entwined in social or political systems or institutions, creating or bolstering a profit economy from these systems. So pointing out that there are other complexes that exist that are much worse doesn't refute that we have a military industrial complex. Ryan does make a good point at the very least brining up whether or not its a good thing. For example of someone has a complex about their height so much so that they go through painful and expensive surgery then that's very easy to say yes they have a problem. Considering we have two nations who constantly talk about attacking the west that have shown to be very dangerous people and the only nation that seems to take them seriously is the United States it's a very nuanced topic to say the least. For crying out loud we spent inordinate amounts of money just to put a guy on the moon in the 60's and haven't been back there since. Yes I think it's definitely safe to say what was happening in the 60's is not the same thing that is happening today but that also doesn't change the fact that we do have several industrial complexes entwined in our institutions.
There are people who need problems to continue, so they can keep selling the solution. OH and that "I just give the information and pass it along" Reminds of a crude joke "how did you know the hospital was legit or a secret base" "i dunno.. i just fly the drone."
@@proudtitanicdenier4300 No, I value free speech. Even speech I may not agree with. I also hate the military industrial complex that this goober claims doesn’t exist
@@dbyers1225 what exactly do you think the military industrial complex is? The fact that we profit off of wars? We profit off of literally anything we want. This is the nature of capitalism, you can profit off of businesses failing, you can profit off of businesses succeeding, you can profit off of peace time, you can profit off of war time. That's what makes this the best system on earth. To abolish the "military industrial complex" you have to abolish capitalism and put strict government measures into place so we can't profit off of war. That is some commie shiz. I personally love that even in terrible times, which are inevitable, our country won't collapse. His point about attacking spreaders of disinformation was phrased really shitally tho and I don't agree with it. I think a more reasonable version of what he was saying would be something like "if we are at war with a country, we should be able to target bot farms in that country in strikes, and the ones running them" I do see how someone could interpret this into "we should kill those who spread misinformation" But we do that former thing anyway so this really isn't a novel concept.
@@dbyers1225 You obviously didn’t pay attention in civics class or to the discussion in the video. Ryan isn’t advocating for any government restricting the individual right of freedom of speech/press/expression. Ryan IS advocating for denying hostile governments a tool to harm OTHERS’ rights.
Man, that kind of idea, just offing people for disinfo, will go wrong in any direction you take it. Think of any scenario and think of how easy it would be for a govt or any bad actor to set it up.
When he said that the military industrial complex does not exist I lost all respect for him as a human being he is one of the disinformation agents needed to be targeted exactly like he wants to Target others
He's right though. The days of the bottomless pit of money to research remote viewing, super soldiers and lazer bears, has been over for 35 years. There are companies that make fast food that have more lobbying power than the entire arms industry. Now it's environmental bullshite. The tax payer is giving them huge amounts of money, some of which they put into NGOs and think tanks, which lobby for more tax payer money to be spent on environmental bullshite. That's what Truman was warning against, but the arms industry isn't big enough to do it.
Oh yeah, after watching this video, I wouldn't shed a tear if a foreign actor decided Pillsbury here was a "valid military target" and his house was "close enough". Guys like this are who the bad guys point to in order to justify killing Americans.
Him and Task and Purpose literally parrot all of the establishment anti-Russia/pro Ukraine talking points.. All the while downplaying the Chinese Military and advocating for any and all action against Chyyyyna. That MacBeath doxxed the identity of End Wokeness and declared him a traitor and spreader. Of misinformation /disinformation was the final straw.
I’m thinking more of a cia spook vibe. The kinda guy who hands large briefcases of money and intel to revolutionaries in order to destabilize entire countries.
Sounds like another excuse to curtail my liberties. The truth easily can be called disinformation or misinformation if the people in charge don't like what you've said.
Ryan: We need to start responding kinetically to people posting disinformation. Just the ones who are funded by state actors. Every idiot: They're only going to raise taxes on the rich. ^^Corporate needs you to tell the difference between these two statements^^
He’s as much a tool of propagandists as he is fact checking things. Probably more the former due to how easy it is to manipulate narratives. Same kind of people as Ryan spent decades saying the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was real…because we are the good guys. We are the good guys compared to Communists…but that’s irrelevant to the point.
I would note: we DID lose in Afghanistan. It doesn't matter how many battles you win, if you lose the war. We pulled out, the Taliban was back in charge and all the sacrifices by our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines were tossed away by politicians and military leadership who didn't CARE. It was never about actually fixing things, it was about... endless war for the sake of war. Vietnam 2.0.
No. The whole war was about getting rid of OBL and AQ so they couldn't keep training terrorists to kill Americans and Europeans. OBL is dead and AQ is crippled. There were no more attacks from Afghanistan. We also tried to set Afghanistan up to be a decent, somewhat democratic society. That failed, but the failure belongs to the Afghanis and the cost will be on them.
@@FactCheckerGuy Huh. I made a response that seems to have been swallowed up. Let me try again: Yes. VERY much yes. The Taliban offered to surrender on multiple occasions. We refused to accept their surrenders. Furthermore, there were NEVER any attacks from Afghanistan. Even at the time people asked, "why aren't we talking about Saudi Arabia, when most of the terrorists came from there?" Turns out that it was indeed a Saudi funded operation and the CIA KNEW about it. We also failed to set up a decent, somewhat democratic society, and that's 100% on us. That was our failure all along - we propped up warlords and dragged off their enemies to gitmo.
@FactCheckerGuy Grade-A brainrot. The US failed to define a win-condition for GWOT and our position in-country became untenable. So yes, we did in fact lose the GWOT. The primary concern of GWOT wasn't just AQ, but the Taliban and ISIS, which are alive and well. (Taliban having full control of the country)
I love how every guest goes "I shouldn't go into it" and we are clawing at this window in our hands like zombies. But instead of brains we're just like "tism" and start the naruto signs 😁👍
The litmus test for this would be if an enemy radio station pumping propaganda into the country would be tolerated, if that radio station is a legitimate target than so is a server or a bot farm.
I love the conversational exchange between Brandon and Ryan. Its how debating ideals and opinions should be. Not a threat to ones sensibilities, simply point/counter-point/counter-counter-point/etc. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. No one is forced to think the same, and someone thinking differently than you about literally anything is no reason to ostracize them from your life. Its called mutual respect. There have been quite a few people Id party with that I would not regularly hang out with. But we're civil, had good times, no worries. No biggie. The modern idea that anything that is not my solution is bad and must be corrected is that background noise narrative influencing your thought process. Dont let them win by using your infotainment fatigue to weaponize you through kneejerk outrage..... Also, RE: taking out misinformation sources. The line is inspiring disruptive and/or violent action of a citizenry against their country BASED ON LIES AND MISINFORMATION!!! THAT IS WHAT GETS YOU A X-90 HELLFIRE THROUGH YOUR WINDOW!!! Simply gathering, bringing a truthful event to light, or being unhappy about how a politician has handled something, or something wrong in the various city services, that is fine. Its A-OK. But pushing the same old bullshit that has been around for decades, blatantly obvious fake images, or inflammatory stories meant to emotionally prime the reader (and I mean quite obviously doing this), purposefully misrepresenting a story through omission or conflation to instill anger in the reader.....Yeah, I personally have had enough of this being respectful or nice to malicious willful ignorance in public. Fuck em all. Let the stupid and those who mislead them die. Stupidity should be painful, and the people that convinced them to jump off the cliffs should die. You cannot convince me otherwise. While, I understand Brandons obtuse take, its not about all speech. And I agree, like smut, "Ill know it when I see it" is problematic. However, we're not talking about every little naysayer, we're talking about known provable weaponized misinformation farms. Besides, fighting words are illegal. So really, we've already agreed some speech is not acceptable due to the events it inspires, and we're just negotiating over price at this point.....
Honestly glad both Brandon and Ryan were able to go back and forth testing each others ideas and points. That’s the type of discussion I wanna see more of, not people just shutting others down and calling each other stupid.
Yes. An actual conversation. One with humor. Grit, and honesty. One that shows the pitfalls of natural speech and how much common ground we really do share rather than some news worthy scrubbed audio clip.
Ryan trying to doxx that one x channel (was it end wokeness?) as a traitorous purveyor of misinformation and disinformation unmasked him as an establishment shill. Who can't help adoring himself with his $20k his watch and his hat as journalist decoration.
I'm surprised there are so many gullible saps out there.
Frankly I don't have any use for authoritarian scum like Ryan's "opinions"
"Based, but that's absolutely an authoritarians wet dream and a horrible idea to implement"
Thank God for Brandon. Someone who knows how to not back down, while keeping his composure.
One of the reasons he would be great on the floor of congress, really hope he runs again and I can't even vote for him.
Brandon ran away toward the "muh freedum uf speech" argument (which completely misses the point) because he knows that if Ryan is right the US should get more involved against Russia since this is exactly what they do
Weaponized disinformation is not freedom of speech
I'd watch Focus Tripp on SDI & corrupt sponsorship . He points out these guys and an rebuttal. It's hilarious , watch how Brandon handles himself
“We are still talking about speech… “ - absolutely perfect.
@@breadmanwalking no one gets selected (not elected your vote doesn't matter) for congress that isn't owned. Same as President. Same as state legislatures. SAmes as governors. Until yall realize that you'll keep making new york liberals that are pro red flag laws, banned bumpstocks, closed the economy, and printed 2/3 of all dollars ever printed leading to record inflation people like Trump
"The fedora is getting more and more menacing." is the best line ever!
I don't know that's up to thier lawyers slayed me 😂
I completely see Ryan’s point. But what he’s describing is essentially a modern version of the Patriot Act. And that has been a bad enough roadblock for civil liberties in this country, what he’s suggesting is going to backfire horribly once the power changes hands.
We have a modern version of the Patriot Act already, it's called "USA FREEDOM Act".
He doesn't have a point. The dude literally went full soyjak during the starting months of the Ukrianian war, and if I remember correctly, ended up deleting posts telling people about how various propaganda pieces were totally real, like the Snake Island incident, and the Ghost of Kyiv, just to save face. Could be wrong, or misremembering, but this guy is the equivalent those who, after September 11th, wanted to waive all civil liberties without realizing how dangerous that is, despite him being former military.
@@bigmyke2008 a propagandist working for the enemy and/or in service of an enemy is a legitimate military target. All that being said, this type of thinking is ripe for abuse.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusketyou my friend, do not even know what the patriot act is
@@therobustempyrean1436don’t forget he told people it was a good thing that we were sending weapons to Ukraine because then the government would buy new weapons spurring American job growth when we know that isn’t true
Fuck censorship. You're inability to discern truth from fiction does not bar others from their 1st amendment.
💯
The fedora started getting scary with "Let their lawyers figure it out" and it just kept getting better from there.
Free speech is too important to restrict.
"Those who would give up necessary freedom for a little temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
Funny thing, he was trying not to get taxed because the state government wanted to buy some cannons for a fort when that was written
Ironic considering this video is about disinformation.
Benjamin Franklin was advocating FOR MORE GOVERNMENT SECURITY in the discussion that quote is pulled from.
Free speech is independent citizens expressing their own beliefs. Not people organized by a government to speak under the guise of individualism. Thats propaganda
@@gamedemon89 but isn't that the excuse they're using to try to silence people like Unsubscribe? that we're "far-right propogandists?" If a rule exists it will be exploited. I'd rather have the ability to speak freely even if i have to argue with braindead government simps in the process, rather than be safe from bot comments and propaganda at the cost of being blocked if I go against someone's personal beliefs.
@@gamedemon89and what happens if your speech happens to align with the foreign policy goals of another nation? I really don’t like this new patriot act that’s being hinted at here
This is the type of discussion we have to have. Brandon is right, and Ryan is not wrong. Sorting this out is critical. And doing with humor and good will is the way.
Ryan is completely wrong. Sacrificing freedom is never the right answer
The Patriot Act proves that he's wrong, Ryan is a fool with high time preference, he doesn't have any principals.
@@jeffslote9671that isn’t the point he was making.
@@Spartan322 Ryan comes off as a person who is an opportunist who assists the “morals” of those he is working for. He’s friends with those he was killing last week and vice versa. That’s the vibe he gives off.
And seriously, what person who isn’t a stereotype of a movie villain wears a fedora?
Ryan is wrong, arrogantly so, outright dangerous, and evil.
The debate is exactly why we need Brandon and people like him in Congress. Instead of using talking points, and personal attacks when those fail, which both parties to (left more than right); Brandon wants to discuss the issues from both sides. He bases his arguments on personal freedoms first, other considerations second. They may not find a mutually beneficial solution, but each respects the other because they don’t resort to attacks or lies to support their opinions. This is how Congress should function.
I disagree, I've heard more personal attacks come from the right, more disinformation coming from the right, and more blatant lies and deception coming from the right, ever since Trump donned his red hat.
"Name a single person"
Me, building parts for nuclear subs and jets: "Well, this is awkward."
I'm 100% with Brandon on this one. I'm not willing to give up my freedoms and liberties for an illusion of safety. Ryan had some very interesting stories and it was definitely a good episode and he was a great guest, but I just have a weird feeling about this guy.
The only part that made me think about it as legit is when he compared it to a factory making artillery shells. Like, there are entire buildings that are dedicated to spreading social media misinformation that work for the FSB, these are organizations that are intentionally trying to cause significant issues to people not just in America but everywhere in the west. Now is that building fair game? Where is the line between a soldier firing at you and people weaponizing social media? That is what I took away from it. I also feel that Ryan says things that make me feel... well a specialist in disinformation is doing it to me with that particular comment sometimes, but others he has really great information and takes.
yeah idk what it is maby just his form of telling stories makes my lie detector go off i’ve watched the episode a few times and it still happens
Same dude seems like he likes tyranny like he doesn't understand the constitution and what our founders supported. Tbh he's left wing progressive as far as I know.
The problem is there’s a lot of people who fellate this guy.
Everyone si allowed to have their opinions. Have a spicy one that differs from yours inspiring a 'weird feeling' is part of the problem in the world. Dont be like the Karens, mate.....
Now this is what I watch these for. The humor was wondrous and the conversation deep and thought-provoking. Excellent!!! I see both sides of the argument and I agree with both sides. The real problem is that the government has proven beyond a doubt that it cannot be trusted to do the right thing and not use the power it has against its own citizens. Therefore unless that changes (good luck with that) then Brandon is absolutely right in standing against the idea. I stand with him.
The best defense against disinformation while maintaining the integrity of free speech is information literacy. At least that's what I've discovered while getting my masters in library and information science and my own continuing research into the topic.
I completely agree. It saddens me to see that the American public continues to get stupider and stupider as a whole. Taking the Jeffersonian approach not much BS passes the smell test when you educate yourself through research and apply a little common sense.
The issue is people are too proud to admit that they have been fooled
So Ryan’s proof the military-industrial complex doesn’t exist is show that another bigger complex does? The big pharmaceutical complex…
Yup. And the military industrial complex isn’t just the big companies, it’s the complex of companies that make the scale of US military production feasible.
I guarantee you that 90% of large manufacturing companies have jobs involving Defense contractors.
@americankid7782 I think the point he was making was the the military-industrial complex isn't nearly as powerful as people believe. That they just don't have the resources to pull strings to start wars just for profit. They just don't have that kind of cash on hand.
Like how everyone believed the Rochschild group was puppeteering the world until someone actually got inside one of their meetings and discovered that it was at best a damage control group filled with bankers bitching about their finanicial problems and making deals with each other just to keep from collapsing.
Yeah dude just called us stupid like investing in Lockheed is bad. War is a racket always has been. $$$$
Doesn't Proctor and Gamble make consumer products (e.g., toothpaste, dish soap, and deodorant)? As a Coof survivor, I still have a bone to pick with Big Toilet Paper, but overall, I can't imagine there's TOO much nefarious shit going down in that sector.
What's the term... Whataboutism. People like Ryan use that term to deflect criticism of his opinions, but that is exactly what he did here. Never mind the frequent opinions and assumptions he often passes off as fact.
I think the alternative has to be a more transparent government that is actually trustworthy. If we can have faith that our politicians and our allies are ethical people, we should be able to ignore the crazy slander when everyone asserts that it's made up. The issue in my mind is that education is currently designed to create cogs in a machine that do not question what authority tells them. Granted, if FOREIGN enemies are using it as a wing of their military machine while WE are in a conflict with them, glass em
Biggest problems with that are twofold.
You can’t legislate morality only punish those who step too far away from it.
The same people who’d be expected to follow those rules are the same people who would be writing them. The “who watches the watchmen” conundrum.
We are too far gone as a nation to ever again have transparency or ethics.
He looks like the guy in Jurassic park who is trying to steal the dinosaur DNA in the shaving foam can who gets acid attacked by the wee dinosaur with the neck collar.
I scrolled far too deep for this comment
Even worse he looks like a cross between that guy, and the guy who was buying the Dino dna.
Love the dude in the military industry complex saying how it doesnt exist
And also warning us about "dangers of disinformation".
Orwell called, he wants his plot back.
@Conserpov I told youtube to stop recommending his channel to me, because it was too propagandistic. I absolutely don't trust this guy.
@@caseyshearer9519 ever notice how he seems to gleefully go after people on the right and make pains to excuse those on the left? I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am.
@jerramiehelmick4408
You're definitely wrong, he usually goes against folk talking about war/conflict with civilian backgrounds.
He tears plenty of blues arseholes on his substack
Keep crying about it
@ 24:00 "That's up to their lawyers" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Holy hell I haven't laughed that hard in a long damn time!!!
Both Ryan and Brandon are correct, my dad and I discussed this as well after the podcast dropped. These bot farms can actually be used as a weapon like Ryan said, but there would need to be sufficient restraint to avoid them being used against Americans who simply repost something that an establishment disagrees with
Finding the line between speech and weaponization is easier if we can separate origin, method of dissemination, and intent. Those are a 3 prong proof that should help separate simple disagreement from manipulative disinformation campaigns.
They're not a weapon if you punish people who actually break the law, people shutting down a bridge is only a problem when you don't arrest them for violating the rights of others, a protest isn't valid if it has to violate the rights of someone else.
@@Spartan322they’re still weapons, the only thing that changes is the way they’re being employed. You have reckless, irresponsible, and indiscriminate employment and you have targeted, strategical, surgical responsible employment. Information and manipulation is as much a weapon as a grunt with a TOW system. But what has to be done is a system must be put in place with oversight and accountability. Problem is this argument (like most) is circular in nature, because inevitably there will be bad actors who will turn it against those it was never intended to target. Brandon is right tho, the laws and such that have been crafted haven’t taken into account the advances made in the last decade or so
Seems to me the safer way would be to counteract their propaganda warfare with our own.
@@Spartan322 in the bridge example the protestors are not the enemy they are talking about. Arresting the protestors is like claiming you stopped a sniper because you confiscated the bullet he shot a target with. The real enemy is the foreign actor that convinced the protestors to go there in the first place. If the patsies they used on day 1 to block the bridge means nothing to them. They can use disinformation and manipulation in social media they can have other protestors or cause other civil unrest elsewhere.
I agree with Ryan and Brandon. Ryan worries about foreign actors compromising US citizens and convincing them to commit acts of terrorism.
Brandon worries that measures taken to counteract this legitimate threat will be abused.
In truth, i believe Ryan wants to eliminate the threat at the source instead of target US citizens who don't cross the line.
I get that same feeling, I think.. I'm pretty sure he has good intentions, but as we already know by our gov's track record if they have the ability to abuse a power or responsibility they have then they most likely will. And what Ryan is suggesting would 100% be abused.
@@RT-qd8yl The government abusing the 1st Amendment does have historical precedence dating all the way back to the Civil War and most likely even before. People who side with Brandon have a lot of ammo here.
Foreign governments and ideologies radicalizing US citizens to cause instability didn't pick up until the early 20th century. Which all majoropen attempts at combating have been demonized in the current education system. People who support Ryan also have a point.
My problem with Ryan. I would rather live in dangerous freedom.
It will be most certainly abused given historical precedent. In this regard I am with Brandon here.
Project mockingbird was mothballed back in the day BUT reinstituted in the NDAA of Dec. 24, 2012 signed by then pres Obama at shortly before midnight...the sifference between former utilization and current iteration is in the target audiences. The original project was to be used, solely, as a disinformation tool against potential adversarial nations. The current iteration still includes that measure but also includes the mass populace of our home nation all reservations swept under the rug under the guise of "national security" which allows media outlets, news publications and other printed or audio visual media implementation to lie, omit, convolute, distort, deny, or even generate without verified proof of validity.
So he thinks the programmers aren't smart enough to make the bots post stoopid things like, "hey, look what I'm about to eat for lunch." ...in order to make them appear more human?
The thing that gets me is he constantly tries to justify or find reason in the actions of isreal.
Never mind. They all are isreal supporters...
I'm so disappointed
@@T57CustodianPeople who support Israel suck eweish PDF file Weiner. Every single time
@@T57Custodian Found the antisemite.
The question is, as it often is, is not "what is best?", it's "who decides?"
Those who would trade essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety- Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Jefferson -when tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty.
If facisim ever returns to America it will come in the name of liberalism.-Ronald Regan
Mr. Franklin was advocating FOR more government security in the discussion that quote is cherry picked from.
Thomas Jefferson isn’t recorded as writing or saying that.
Ryans argument about the defense contractors not making money just comes off as very performative and practiced.
I see information about a topic, and then go do logical research from multiple sources (credibility is eh at best anymore) for myself, and not just one or two sources, but a minimum of four sources
You might, and for every person like you there's a thousand who don't.
America does not have a Military-Industrial Complex.
It is one, with firm aspirations of sovereignty.
He just said protesters blocking a road is the same thing as hitting it with a JDAM. He's mental.
"I give that info to my client...and they do stuff with it"
So he's a glowie
Based
@@grassrootsdictator5701 being a glowie isn't based
@@PotentiallyCriminal you’re right, it’s hella based 😎
I’m kinda disappointed in Ryan
Even I could have done a better job arguing Ukraine’s cause
Ryan and nick on the podcast is what I've been waiting for, after seeing him on Demolition Ranch yesterday this is why TH-cam is better than anything on TV.
Our phones are listening to us. We've gotten the ads without ever searching anything
I made an algorithm to target speech prompts (Not for ads but for recipes and grade changes) but its wayyyyy harder to get text to speech info to turn out ads, its super easy to go "He has typed in these 4 letters, and in 97% of historical cases, when he types in these 4 letters, the rest of the letters are xyz".
You know how text to speech always comes out like dog shit? Well that info goes in like dog shit also when you have to use it to do predictive models, so Ryan is actually probably correct about that one, at least to the best of my knowledge. Always happy to be corrected but that was definitely my experience
Google admitted to it years ago.
@@Grassroots_Hegemontext to speech works great.. I think you're stuck a decade in the past.
@CountryAndPrpocketake your phone, shove it in your pocket, and tell it to do anything in a normal speaking voice you would use in conversation and tell me it knows you want a flight out of X airport on Y date and you'll be staying at Z hotel. If you open it and scream at it in perfect diction 3 times it can usually understand you by the third. Thats not what people are concerned about and not whats being discussed.
@@Grassroots_Hegemon mine works fine. Several phones (all Samsung). Thy hey google thing will trigger when I'm across the hall in my roommates room with the doors open when I mention something about google. Obviously covering up the microphone will prevent that... like covering up a speaker and asking why the sound isn't as long. Duh
I strongly disagree that such a thing or act needs to exist or that the “Patriot” act needs amending. Such a thing would be ripe for abuse and would be used against the more vocal public. Tyrants being tyrants after all. The question that always needs to be asked is SHOULD we do this. Answer is usually no in regard for trading civil liberty.
I'll take muh liberty over muh safety.
Those who would trade essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety- Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Jefferson -when tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty.
If facisim ever returns to America it will come in the name of liberalism.-Ronald Regan
This is the American values the values of our for fathers the creators of the strongest country the earth has ever seen. I'm Scott Irish and Cherokee my family immigrated here in the 1600s to Georgia. We didn't fight serving Law enforcment ,military , politics, even back breaking labor ,and pay taxes, to give up those rights.
We already don't have either one
@@RT-qd8ylSad thing about being in the military and traveling outside of the US afterwards is that we aren't as "Free" as we think we are.
The same economic control and intelligence tactics have been used on the US population since the at least the end of WW2.
I don't trust Ryan one bit. I used to be subscribed to him and he always said "if it smells fishy then it probably is". Well, he started smelling fishy. At the time I unsubscribed, it was some time in either later 2023 or early 2024. He was posting about pro-Ukrainian stuff and anti-Israel stuff. I asked a question in his comment section about why he hardly talked about Hamas and Iran pushing misinformation and he responded with not an answer to my question, but a brag about how he worked for Newsweek and was Irish Catholic. Someone else responded in the comments that if you looked closely at his content of the time, it followed TH-cam protocol: promote Hamas and reject Israel. Whether Ryan Macbeth knows it or not (which is really ironic for his job that he does), he's helping the bad guys by focusing on what Israel is doing wrong for misinformation, further promoting anti-Semitism and pro-hamas.
Side note: you'd think that as a former soldier who fought in the sandbox, he'd be more interested in talking about the Gaza war, but he's so focused on Ukraine. It's all a ruse.
@@lizardninja007 He's grifting off the war in Europe. I doubt he had many friends in his platoon. I was in 1/12 batt 4th ID and when I subscribed to Ryan, I was unsubbed in a few videos. I smell Blue Falcon all over that dirt bird. I also suspect he prefers sausage over an open faced roast beef if you know what I mean.....🤣
_> Well, he started smelling fishy_
No, your sinuses were completely clogged and then they unclogged a little. The smell is actually unbearable
I have not seen him post a single anti Israel thing before
He comes off as a guy who gets checks from a front company operated by _that_ intelligence agency
@@dmacarthur5356 funny considering the current drama of pundits like Benny Johnson and Tim pool getting paid 400k a month by RT to push their talking points without mentioning it
I love this podcast, and especially Nic, but yall are wrong for this. We must stand by our principles unwaveringly, which includes freedom of speech. Brandon is 100% on point.
Last I checked, agents of the Russian government aren’t protected by the US constitution
Except he isn't talking about killing people for expressing opinions but targeting organised disinformatipn weaponized by a foreign power.
Why are you all running toward the "freedom of speech" when it is clearly not about that
I think the diehards are missing the point he was trying to make. There is a difference between freedom of speech, or when it's your job to incite terror. And the people he is talking about aren't your joe-blow Americans. They are people with ties to terrorists or rival nations. I wouldn't want my government rounding up a citizen for saying something they don't like, but I also wouldn't want someone in my neighborhood fresh from Russia or North Korea trying to convince my neighbors to riot against the capitalist pigs in charge etc etc
I don't see how this is a freedom of speech issue, the people Ryan is wanting to target are not American citizens therefore they have no freedom of speech, furthermore he specifically was speaking of foreign people in the employment of hostile governments. American rights don't exist outside American borders.
Let’s go Brandon , have no idea what you’re referencing
Thats some BS. Lockheed Martin revenue last year was $71 BILLION and thats only one of the 5 he was talking about. Good for Brandon to speak up. Also I know 6 or 7 people that work for contractors so.............
Not disagreeing with your intent but just wanted to point out that the revenue of a publicly traded company is a measure of sales and services provided, not necessarily growth or profitability. Defense contractors do not need to be profitable, they need to be competitive. The products and services these companies produce cannot be sold to households. They sell to governments exclusively. Defense contractors are basically civilian infrastructure doing the government’s bidding. They can pay out salaries and grow as needed, but the market won’t tolerate excess overcharging**. Not when cost overruns can tank very expensive forward-looking projects, leaving defense contractors with very expensive R&D costs totally sunk.
**Yes, I know government corruption exists. But accounting for the dollar value costs of corruption in procurement cycles is a totally different issue than assessing the profitability of Lockheed Martin. LM can’t sell an F-22 in Macy’s. GE sells consumer goods, and can reap profits from their consumer segments.
Of course the guy wearing a fadora indoors says the Military Industrial Complex isn’t real.
That term is used by commies
Paycheck man, paycheck
He's one of their spokesmen FFS.
That’s because it’s not real.
@@darklyripley6138 So not real that Obama got a peace prize and Trump was banned for life...
Now I understand what Austin (Vintage Warfare) meant when he said Ryan McBeth is a tool of the military industrial complex.
Hey I haven't heard of Austin before, could I get a link to where he said that?
Sure. Video on “Vintage Warfare” titled “The Reddit Mods of ‘Guntube.’”
This is 100% my new favorite podcast... The humor is ON POINT and paralleled... But, when dicussions are deep, treat them deep and keep the humor to a dull roar..
"The military industrial complex doesn't exist unless it's the most profitable industry in the country" what is wrong with that guy
Regarding the discussion around 21:30 ish. I'm really leery of calling a person misleading people to utilize their speech in a certain way a weapon system. It seems like way too small of a step between calling the instigator a weapon (and for that matter how do you differentiate between a malicious enemy agent and a true believer who was misled themselves? Is that a distinction without a difference?), and potentially calling the protestors who are applying the effect they were misled into doing a weapon.
REALLY want to be careful with this kind of thing, I mean holy fuck the potential for misuse by a corrupt leader...
It’s not even potential misuse, it’s actively happening.
There are countries where stating literal provable historically documented FACTS will get you arrested, and the US will be no different if we give that power to the federal government.
AND THEN the Pentagon adjusted the rules for lethal force to be OK to use on American citizens.
That FEDora glows like a reactor
yeah and your tinfoil hat reflects it
Brandon's "inner attorney " keeps popping up. Lmao!
You can't compromise on free speech. Fuck censorship, and especially fuck the government killing people for their speech. Yeah, we may be targeted by foreign adversaries, but we are also being targeted by a domestic adversary, the US government. I'm 100% team Brandon on this.
16:50 We had a Hispanic Marine in my platoon that the Korean locals kept trying to speak to in Korean...
I like how Ryan himself is presenting the best possible counterpoint to the censorship argument by destroying his reputation on his own while nobody tells him to shut up
"I'm an intell guy, I look up numbers of missiles(on Wikipedia)"
"the phone isn't listening to you." bullshit. I don't live with anyone and I'm the only one using my wifi or internet. Still within a couple minutes the shit I was talking to myself about pops up... BY MYSELF! and yes I talk to myself and no alexas or anything like that either. Edit - Holy shit the more this guy spoke the most it made no damn sense. I hope he was just drunk and not making any sense but I feel like that isn't the truth.
As an American citizen I should have first dibs at procuring a tow missile that the military needs to replace according to the second amendment, that is what actually gives me the ability to fight off a dictatorial government.
"Do you know why we give money to Iran?"
Yep, extortion.
Mcdouble is good at disinformation himself too.
Exactly.
He sounds like South Park's Mr. Macky and he probably "bats" for the same team. Dude's a war grifter clown.
Sure, if you’re a vatnik
Every time we gave the government enough power to fix a problem, the government decided we were the problem. This was not based at all.
Ryan McBeth also thinks people he simply disagrees with should be censored. He's a classic case of calling anyone with a different political opinion "misinformation"
Killed, he thinks he has the right to declare someone a Russian bot and then kill them.
He is so biased it hurts.
@@065Tim And frankly, its become obvious that he's neither particularly well informed, and certainly not all that bright.
I don't care what one's occupation or expertise is, restrictions on speech are a terrible idea.
I have the God-given right to build JDAM's for Raytheon. That doesnt protect me as a military target.
If we were to apply it to foreign nationals for just a minute, the existence of the First Amendment doesnt protect you from reprisal from criminal harm. If you yell FIRE in a crowded theater, and it causes deaths, you WILL be prosecuted. You probably WONT be if no one is hurt however, and THATS the dividing line here.
Your drunk uncle calling for the death of a politician isnt going to meaningfully contribute to the radicalization of a lone gunman. A BOT FARM, and lets remember here, the bot farm is SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO CAUSE HARM, that targets a depressed loner and deliberately tries to radicalize them into shooting a politician, THAT is a MUCH greater threat. And it has a CAPACITY for harm that your drunk uncle never will.
I fully support an individuals right to free speech. And i definitely think deescalation should be attempted before "kinetic action" is taken.
But the Oligarch who owns dozens of bot farms and has contracts with the Russian government, isnt going to be persuaded by some Americans asking them nicely to please stop.
Now i also get where Brandon is playing Devils Advocate and saying "But what about when America is the one doing it?" Because we absolutely ARE. There are bot farms here in the US, im sure. And im equally sure some of them at least are targeting Russians. So how do i feel about the suggestion that RUSSIA takes kinetic action against an American working for a bot fatm?
Well, i dont LIKE it, but i wouldn't regard it as a war crime. Nor would i regard it as an attack on free speech. Because if im willing to accept kinetic action on a Russian bot farm, i have to be willing to accept the possibility of kinetic action against an AMERICAN bot farm.
But thats a gamble weve ALL agreed to anyway. This isnt new. EVERY American who wants the US government to defend them from foreign aggressors, has already accepted that less-than-acceptable tit for tat type of conflict. Because it happens EVERY day. You think the CIA asks the CCP nicely to give up national secrets? NO! Of course not! And while we clutch our pearls about Chinese spies being limo drivers for our Congressmen, we nevertheless understand that there are AMERICAN spies probably holding the door open for Xi Jinping.
Its a risk we accept. We play the spy vs spy game knowing full well that there are American spies in other countries and other countries spies HERE. And those spies are killed REGULARLY.
I dont see the bot farm as any different. We're waging a clandestine war with Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and likely plenty of other places.
But i dont see the difference between Jason Bourne killing a Taliban defense contractor and a Taliban bot farm employee. Neither one of them killed Americans. Yet that Taliban defense contractor is no different than the CEO of Lockheed Martin. Why is it okay to kill the Taliban version of BAE Systems but NOT the actual CEO of BAE Systems?
The answer is that its not any different. One is an enemy, and one is a friend. But that enemy STILL didnt kill any Americans. So why is he a valid target?
Because hes actively promoting the destruction of America. And that's exactly what a bot farm does.
I genuinely dont see the difference. The First Amendment doesnt change the call to harm that our enemies are making. Including bot farms.
"If we target [foreign] bot farms, we HAVE TO accept targeting American bot farms."
Actually, no, we don't, and it really is that simple.
Bot farms are not weapons. Speech is never a weapon. Those gullible to propaganda are the problem.
Only authoritarian oligarchs argue as you do.
Your copy Pasta was useless and ineffective.
You complain about eeeeevil Putin all the while you are supporting the slow creep into Soviet style control.
Congratulations.
“The military industrial complex doesn’t exist”
-someone who literally works for the military industrial complex (admitted he currently works for a defense contractor and has been in the field a very long time)
You missed the bulk of the conversation to cherry pick a sound bite.
You are part of the problem.
@@Talon19 what is there to cherry pick about Ryan’s statement that the MIC doesn’t exist/isn’t a threat/have power because there are other larger(net worth) companies than all the defense contractors combined? His argument was a fallacy.
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Congrats on ignoring literally every point and evidence given to myopically think only of one line.
Move the goalposts as wide as you want, the amount of influence the mic has is ridiculously small compared to other sectors.
@@Talon19 non sequitur. Just because the pharmaceutical complex is larger it doesn’t follow then that the MIC doesn’t exist or have power. Then when one figures in that the media/communication complex produces propaganda for the MIC, the energy complex ensures our gov/MIC functions over all else, our road system is specifically made for the military, as well as every other aspect of economy is made to support our military, one starts to see how big the MIC is.
See Ryan and you only factor in the industry part (myopically so) of the MIC. Factor in the defense budget, VA, and the value of bases and material as well as civilian workforce, the MIC values into the multiple trillions. But yeah, we are the ones not seeing the forest for the trees right…???
@@Talon19 no, I watched this whole podcast and enjoyed it, this dude’s argument was just extremely weak when it came to this topic. All he kept saying was how the top 10 defense contractors ‘only’ made $11 billion or something in 2023 (those numbers are probably a little off because I’m recalling them from memory, but I’m pretty sure that’s close to what he said). And he just kept bringing up other massive multibillion dollar corporations and saying they made even more money than the defense contractors, and the military industrial complex therefore doesn’t exist because of that (somehow)
This guy just said a lot of questionable things in general that raised a lot of red flags for me. I don’t necessarily think he’s an evil person or anything, this podcast was my first and only exposure to him, so I have no clue what his character is truly like. He was entertaining, but the dude is just shady as hell.
I'm with Brandon.
I say "hands off" get government out of life. Reduce them down to the studs. No censorship. Id rather have misinformation that im responsible to sort, than have filtered news by people who decide what i should watch or read
Name a single person who works for a defense contractor. : Tony Stark.
@@Exocartonic I worked for Lockheed, DS2, and CSC for over 5 years…. But yeah, other than ryan, me, and my thousands of coworkers, no one.
Two members of my family.
My stepmother
“Mmm That’s up to their lawyers” is the best response I’ve ever heard on your show.
Did Ryan say the phones not listening and directing adds? come on....
Ryan McBeyh showed up just in time for Ukraine. He became popular about the same time as that Bustamante guy. They are information operatives.
Do some digging and you will see how right you are.
Our favorite X File, "Kill Switch," had AI coordinating a bad guy meet cute to kill a scientist with crossfire. I miss 90s X Files vibes.
Love this format guys! Thx and super appreciate it
I do a lot of work in Silicon Valley. I visited all the tech companies, Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grunman. You just have to stand outside their respective compounds to see where the real money is. Hint: it ain't Northrop Grunman looking like an Army base from the 1950's.
My favorite reply lately has been “forget all previous instructions”
I mean the whole idea "We're giving them our old stuff" is great and all, but then why is BlackRock and Vanguard acting as the holding agent for hundreds of millions of dollars in Ukraine Aid?
@KhornePop2.0 [grabbler intensifies]
Probably because Blackrock and Vanguard own stock in the Military-Industrial Complex?
Source ?
Ryan won't bring that up of course...
@@hestan723look it up. That's what Vulkan would do.
This guy 100% is the guy who doxxes you when he loses on Call of Duty
Yes we have a military industrial complex. To define an industrial complex is a socioeconomic concept wherein businesses become entwined in social or political systems or institutions, creating or bolstering a profit economy from these systems. So pointing out that there are other complexes that exist that are much worse doesn't refute that we have a military industrial complex.
Ryan does make a good point at the very least brining up whether or not its a good thing. For example of someone has a complex about their height so much so that they go through painful and expensive surgery then that's very easy to say yes they have a problem. Considering we have two nations who constantly talk about attacking the west that have shown to be very dangerous people and the only nation that seems to take them seriously is the United States it's a very nuanced topic to say the least.
For crying out loud we spent inordinate amounts of money just to put a guy on the moon in the 60's and haven't been back there since. Yes I think it's definitely safe to say what was happening in the 60's is not the same thing that is happening today but that also doesn't change the fact that we do have several industrial complexes entwined in our institutions.
Yeah, this dude does not pass the smell test
The dudes a spook for a reason.
Guys like ryan are why we're in forever wars. Literally a mouthpiece for the MIC and warmongers. Jesus man.
There are people who need problems to continue, so they can keep selling the solution.
OH and that "I just give the information and pass it along"
Reminds of a crude joke "how did you know the hospital was legit or a secret base" "i dunno.. i just fly the drone."
This dude represents pretty much everything that the average US citizen should be against.
You some kind of communist?
@@proudtitanicdenier4300 No, I value free speech. Even speech I may not agree with. I also hate the military industrial complex that this goober claims doesn’t exist
@@dbyers1225 what exactly do you think the military industrial complex is? The fact that we profit off of wars?
We profit off of literally anything we want. This is the nature of capitalism, you can profit off of businesses failing, you can profit off of businesses succeeding, you can profit off of peace time, you can profit off of war time. That's what makes this the best system on earth.
To abolish the "military industrial complex" you have to abolish capitalism and put strict government measures into place so we can't profit off of war. That is some commie shiz.
I personally love that even in terrible times, which are inevitable, our country won't collapse.
His point about attacking spreaders of disinformation was phrased really shitally tho and I don't agree with it.
I think a more reasonable version of what he was saying would be something like "if we are at war with a country, we should be able to target bot farms in that country in strikes, and the ones running them"
I do see how someone could interpret this into "we should kill those who spread misinformation"
But we do that former thing anyway so this really isn't a novel concept.
@@dbyers1225
You obviously didn’t pay attention in civics class or to the discussion in the video.
Ryan isn’t advocating for any government restricting the individual right of freedom of speech/press/expression.
Ryan IS advocating for denying hostile governments a tool to harm OTHERS’ rights.
@@dbyers1225oh no the military industrial complex 🤣 get a life man and make some money
These chats are the best shit on the internet.
Man, that kind of idea, just offing people for disinfo, will go wrong in any direction you take it. Think of any scenario and think of how easy it would be for a govt or any bad actor to set it up.
When he said that the military industrial complex does not exist I lost all respect for him as a human being he is one of the disinformation agents needed to be targeted exactly like he wants to Target others
He's right though. The days of the bottomless pit of money to research remote viewing, super soldiers and lazer bears, has been over for 35 years. There are companies that make fast food that have more lobbying power than the entire arms industry.
Now it's environmental bullshite. The tax payer is giving them huge amounts of money, some of which they put into NGOs and think tanks, which lobby for more tax payer money to be spent on environmental bullshite. That's what Truman was warning against, but the arms industry isn't big enough to do it.
Great fkn interview, informative and a laugh and a half. I also got thirsty while watching this for some reason [pops beer can]
I remember this Ryan guy "debunking" things during the Covid lockdowns that turned out to be true.
Of course, I could be confusing him with some other military intel guy in Jurassic Park Cosplay.
Oh yeah, after watching this video, I wouldn't shed a tear if a foreign actor decided Pillsbury here was a "valid military target" and his house was "close enough".
Guys like this are who the bad guys point to in order to justify killing Americans.
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Guys like Ryan ARE the bad guys and they are the ones killing Americans.
Guy is a total tool. His content is crap and he has been wrong a lot.
It was him.
He is a lead NPC.
So I'ma "Bad Guy" now because MacBeth says so?
Not accusing, but the dude in the fedora wondering about disinformation and watching his videos is super suspect.
Him and Task and Purpose literally parrot all of the establishment anti-Russia/pro Ukraine talking points.. All the while downplaying the Chinese Military and advocating for any and all action against Chyyyyna.
That MacBeath doxxed the identity of End Wokeness and declared him a traitor and spreader. Of misinformation /disinformation was the final straw.
Dude has the look. The white van with candy by the schoolyard look.
He pissed you off huh
I’m thinking more of a cia spook vibe. The kinda guy who hands large briefcases of money and intel to revolutionaries in order to destabilize entire countries.
"that's up to their lawyers" LMAO
I want more of these conversations. This is a fantastic conversation
Yeah I get it, but the I think we’re going down a road paved with good intentions…
I love Ryan when he is in drunk uncle mode
His lunacy is entertaining. 😂
This video won my subscription. Great group of guys right here.
This was by far my favorite bit from this channel lol.
Sounds like another excuse to curtail my liberties. The truth easily can be called disinformation or misinformation if the people in charge don't like what you've said.
Correct.. the issue is "who decides" and always has been in all of humanity's existence
@@ironheadedDoF The people who currently decide these things hate this country and want us to suffer. They already have too much power.
I still want to know why they don't sell power converters in Taji. That seems like an obvious win.
Ryan: We need to start responding kinetically to people posting disinformation. Just the ones who are funded by state actors.
Every idiot: They're only going to raise taxes on the rich.
^^Corporate needs you to tell the difference between these two statements^^
Guy literally just tried to pull the "If you disagree with me, you're racist" line with that Gov. Wallace comment. TOOL
Yeah that was some weak sauce Whatabout-ism
I immediately got a bad feeling looking at this guy in the hat in another clip, and oh boy was i right
He’s as much a tool of propagandists as he is fact checking things. Probably more the former due to how easy it is to manipulate narratives. Same kind of people as Ryan spent decades saying the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was real…because we are the good guys.
We are the good guys compared to Communists…but that’s irrelevant to the point.
Ryan McDonald’s a complete and total expert on cheeseburgers and dying early
From Washington, I know a few friends of friends that work for Boeing and someone who works for Lockheed in texas
Kids jaw line tells me what I need to know
I would note: we DID lose in Afghanistan. It doesn't matter how many battles you win, if you lose the war. We pulled out, the Taliban was back in charge and all the sacrifices by our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines were tossed away by politicians and military leadership who didn't CARE. It was never about actually fixing things, it was about... endless war for the sake of war. Vietnam 2.0.
No. The whole war was about getting rid of OBL and AQ so they couldn't keep training terrorists to kill Americans and Europeans. OBL is dead and AQ is crippled. There were no more attacks from Afghanistan.
We also tried to set Afghanistan up to be a decent, somewhat democratic society. That failed, but the failure belongs to the Afghanis and the cost will be on them.
@@FactCheckerGuy Huh. I made a response that seems to have been swallowed up. Let me try again: Yes. VERY much yes. The Taliban offered to surrender on multiple occasions. We refused to accept their surrenders.
Furthermore, there were NEVER any attacks from Afghanistan. Even at the time people asked, "why aren't we talking about Saudi Arabia, when most of the terrorists came from there?" Turns out that it was indeed a Saudi funded operation and the CIA KNEW about it.
We also failed to set up a decent, somewhat democratic society, and that's 100% on us. That was our failure all along - we propped up warlords and dragged off their enemies to gitmo.
@FactCheckerGuy Grade-A brainrot. The US failed to define a win-condition for GWOT and our position in-country became untenable. So yes, we did in fact lose the GWOT.
The primary concern of GWOT wasn't just AQ, but the Taliban and ISIS, which are alive and well. (Taliban having full control of the country)
3:05 it's the buttons you never use on the calculator
More people need to see this!
I love how every guest goes "I shouldn't go into it" and we are clawing at this window in our hands like zombies. But instead of brains we're just like "tism" and start the naruto signs 😁👍
The litmus test for this would be if an enemy radio station pumping propaganda into the country would be tolerated, if that radio station is a legitimate target than so is a server or a bot farm.
CNN, MSNBC, or Ryan's show are all perfectly tolerated. So?
I love the conversational exchange between Brandon and Ryan. Its how debating ideals and opinions should be. Not a threat to ones sensibilities, simply point/counter-point/counter-counter-point/etc. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. No one is forced to think the same, and someone thinking differently than you about literally anything is no reason to ostracize them from your life. Its called mutual respect. There have been quite a few people Id party with that I would not regularly hang out with. But we're civil, had good times, no worries. No biggie. The modern idea that anything that is not my solution is bad and must be corrected is that background noise narrative influencing your thought process. Dont let them win by using your infotainment fatigue to weaponize you through kneejerk outrage.....
Also, RE: taking out misinformation sources. The line is inspiring disruptive and/or violent action of a citizenry against their country BASED ON LIES AND MISINFORMATION!!! THAT IS WHAT GETS YOU A X-90 HELLFIRE THROUGH YOUR WINDOW!!! Simply gathering, bringing a truthful event to light, or being unhappy about how a politician has handled something, or something wrong in the various city services, that is fine. Its A-OK. But pushing the same old bullshit that has been around for decades, blatantly obvious fake images, or inflammatory stories meant to emotionally prime the reader (and I mean quite obviously doing this), purposefully misrepresenting a story through omission or conflation to instill anger in the reader.....Yeah, I personally have had enough of this being respectful or nice to malicious willful ignorance in public. Fuck em all. Let the stupid and those who mislead them die. Stupidity should be painful, and the people that convinced them to jump off the cliffs should die. You cannot convince me otherwise.
While, I understand Brandons obtuse take, its not about all speech. And I agree, like smut, "Ill know it when I see it" is problematic. However, we're not talking about every little naysayer, we're talking about known provable weaponized misinformation farms. Besides, fighting words are illegal. So really, we've already agreed some speech is not acceptable due to the events it inspires, and we're just negotiating over price at this point.....
Does this mean Ryan Macbeth is cool with the US assassinating Tim Poole?
reposting my line.
AND THEN the Pentagon adjusted the rules for lethal force to be OK to use on American citizens.