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I love watching Kripp talk himself into Viscious Fledgling hahahaha
Yep that's the mental process of going through each adapt option
You can see the lightbulb turn on as the windfury connection is made.
That really shows that card reviewers usually don't really think about the cards
@@MrParadux They're first impressions.
😂
Day9s Jade druid rant is my top 1 Heartstone moment.
Same. That and warth.
I literally was waiting for it because i knew it was during Tyrantus review...
LaRgEr AnD lArGeR mEn! 🤣🤣
@@andrewmccormick1187 holy shit I forgot about warth. that is an amazing clip.
The clip where he learns to pronounce why-sha-arrr-jay was better imo
The Marsh Queen effect was so insane that it made sure you drew none of those raptors and instead top decked your crap 1 mana minions you filled your deck with to complete the quest.
God I miss Day9
He still makes top tier content dude :)
@@CedisdeadYeah I know, but not really in any games I have an interest in watching. Might give his Palworld series a watch though.
@@BGAbazor day9 on twitter did say that he might come back to HS and StarCraft after Bobby got kicked and the Microsoft purchase. But I'm not sure after the recent layoffs and how he felt about those.
Idk day 10 hearthstone was better
@@BGAbazor he literally plays like all games, but I guess you are mostly not interested in magic. I have no interest in palworld but I just love to watch Sean.
“That’s an awfully mean thing to do, giving your opponent warlock cards.”
That’s such a great line lol
Ozruk was the first legendary I opened. I got all excited, built a deck and managed to play him as a 5/25! I was so excited. Then he got hexxed and i was not happy. I never played him again
I got him from a pack too! And I thought he would be insane with rogue spirit of the shark! I made him a 5/85 and next turn he was 0/1 frog! Insane gameplay, this card was dusted in 1 second after that! Wow!
I got mill house
@@Ovijit001 Haha, millhouse was my first as well. What a disappointment.
@@CGDW2 and i kept him for 4 weeks
@@Ovijit001 I didn't disenchant him until recently, I always liked collecting meme cards... but I needed the dust, and I had to ask the question "which of my meme legendaries are most likely to never see play ever"...
Day9 is just naturally charismatic and comedic. What a guy.
Keleseth with a lisp XD "I can't tell you what's wrong me because of what's wrong with me"
I do agree, but he has also done improv classes in the past and practiced performance through streaming for so many years that I think a large part of it is also self-improved charisma.
@@BFDudesWait what!? you mean he learned his signature "jazz hands" at some school? He told me he came up with it!
50:37 They nerfed test subject because there was a 3 mana exodia with radiant elemental, reborn rites, teset subject and mind sear.
Love the OTK always a way
Because the dev team couldn't be bothered to put the word "enemy" on Mind Sear just one more time
Worth noting for Stonehill Defender he was printed during the time where class cards were weighted during discover so the card in Paladin pretty much always hit either Tirion or Taram.
Was wickerflame burnbristle also in standard at that time? I feel i remember seeing that card alot off of stonehill.
@dankolaska4277 for the first half of stonehill in standard since he is from mean streets.
Regardless, I am fairly certain Stonehill was the reason discover rules eventually got changed since it was one of the most used discover options that wouldn't already guarantee a class card.
I can’t believe I never realized Rarran is Krip’s son
Okay as much as i love rarran and this vid concept.... holy fuck it's being carried by david's edits!!! literally god tier editor, hope ur paying him well, they deserve it
Yeah this isn't rarrans video, it's his editor's
The Rarran review part is so smooooth
48:44 LMAO the slowly whitening gloop
The Trump Saul Goodman part killed me
Gnomeferatu works in hearthstone because in numerous decks, even control/value decks rely on single legendary cards (Yknow, forced 1 ofs) that win you the game on their own. In mtg, combo decks tend to run 3-4 of their important card, because they have no limitation on that. Furthermore, MTG decks tend to just have high average card quality, while hearthstone decks (certainly at the time) were a lot of filler and a few very very very crucial “win condition” cards. You can see this view of the game come out of rarran whenever he plays or rates MTG cards - he talks about “finding my win condition”, where in magic your “win condition” tends to be a lot more nondescript, it’s generally “I’d like to be drawing these types of cards at this point in the game”, or there’s like 10 different cards in your deck that all qualify as your “win condition”.
Deleting your opponents planeswalker off the top of their deck feels bad, but they’ve probably got at least 1-3 more in their deck, and may be running other planeswalkers that will generate the same type of value anyway. Delete your opponents guldan, frost lich jaina, shadowreaper anduin, raza, they’re suddenly looking at a gimped deck with no way to compete in the lategame
Something not mentioned about supercollider was that it solved a gamestate control warrior generally had issues with. It was great at handling 1 minion (shield slam, bash, execute type stuff), great at handling a few smaller minions (brawl, warpath, sleep with the fishes) but exactly two moderately sized minions was frequently enough pressure (1 was not enough pressure) to force control warrior to inefficiently use aoe or premium single target removal that they’d rather save for bigger individual threats. Supercollider was, by far, the best tool for handling that.
I mean realistically Gnomeferatu doesn't work in Hearthstone. It's played because people are susceptible to logical fallacies but it's a River Croc and the stats say should never actually be in a deck.
@@joshg2188 iirc it was a fine, maybe mediocre card.
In magic, that card would just be complete trash, unplayable draft chaff.
That's part of it, but the main reason is that decks in Hearthstone are half the size as in Magic. The problem with mill cards is that, statistically, they don't actually affect the chance of your opponent drawing their good cards: for every time you burn a card they need, there's a time where you burn a card they didn't and they end up drawing the one they wanted a turn sooner. However, in Hearthstone control mirrors at the time, it wasn't uncommon for both players to draw their entire deck, so getting rid of a random card actually made an impact.
Would argue in the case of Magic as well, is that reanimation or graveyard based strategies are also a thing depending on the format. So putting resources into that pile can also be a detriment in certain matchups instead of being at worse playing a vanilla statted minion.
@@ViashinoWizardYes, this is the real reason the card was played. It put you ahead in the fatigue race for those control vs control matchups where you can afford to play mediocre cards like Gnome.
Mill in magic is typically worse than in hearthstone cause magic decks are 60 cards with 4 ofs, so randomly milling your opponent's win condition is basically impossible. Plus there are way more graveyard synergies so putting stuff in your opponent's graveyard is actively detrimental to you a lot of the time. In hearthstone you have 30 card decks with legendaries who you have to draw in order to win, so removing a card can actually just randomly win you the game. Mill has been a strategy in magic, but only as an all in plan where you're trying to get rid of the entirety of the opponents deck, e.g. mill in modern which is basically a burn deck, and Nephalia Drownyard control back in the day which had no way to kill you except milling you out. Like, gnomeferatu is basically garbage vs face hunter (except as a 2 mana body) cause all their cards do the same thing and the game never goes to fatigue.
Ithink the main distinction here is that while yes, mill is usually bad, that's because it's bad as a dedicated deck. In magic you usually only find mill on cards that are bad otherwise. gnomeferatu is just a good statline that just so happens to mill. If Warlock had a 2 Mana 2/4 or 3/3 vanilla at the same time noone would ever play Gnomeferatu
@@skuamato7886 "gnomeferatu is just a good statline that just so happens to mill." Bro, go put a river croc in your deck and tell me more about the good statline
I will mention that mill in magic is also quite a bit more potent (2 mana mill 10, 5 mana mill half the deck, etc), and even with that it’s still quite terrible as an archetype. It’s just easier to play burn instead. There are also cards that make graveyards shuffle back in (eldrazi) that make mill effectively impossible.
If anything self mill is more common as a way to gain resources or combo off, as opposed to milling opponents.
the comparison to magic was pretty stupid in the first place tbh I can't believe it was an argument like at all
@@solkvist8668 nowadays we have 3 mana mill 40-60 and the archetype is still bad xD
20:55 not a single one of those cards saw any relevant play in KotFT. People meme on Trump for "Defile 1 Star", but Warlock was NOT good at all in standard until Kobolds. Bloodreaver Guldan is unplayable at 10 mana when it doesn't spawn 20 taunts by bringing back all the voidlords you've been playing since turn 5.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the only Warlock deck that saw any real play back then was Heal Zoo with the Voodoo Doctor, Happy Ghouls and Keleseth - at best, as far as I can recall, Controllock saw extremely fringe play right at the beginning, before people realized Druid decks shat all over it (which tbf, they did to most classes at the time).
seeing blackguard reminded me of some recent trauma my opponent's amanthul caused me - lifesteal blackguard. your hero is healed, it deals lifesteal damage, healing your hero and it becomes a full board wipe. terrifying.
17:45 Trump was on point here, chat is badly remembering Gnomeferatu. The card saw almost no play after the realease of the set and was basically a filler two drop in very few decks more for the lack of better options than for the odd chance you burn a useful card.
Saw play in all the control/cube/skull of the Manari/Azari Warlock decks.
you are reinforcing what he was saying. Trump rates card based on the meta will come for the actual expansion, so he was right. Warlocm wasn't using gnomeferatu in that moment
That’s a thing with a lot of trump reviews. Trump rates cards for their relevance in the meta in that expansion, not 5 months into the future with new cards Trump didn’t know existed
I remember sitting in my kitchen watching people rate Lakkari Sacrifice 5 stars and thinking "Have you people never played discard cards? They ALWAYS discard the card you DON'T want to discard." And in the end, the portal was OK at best.
11:17 the infamous clip snuck it's way in
I don’t remember EXACTLY the Ungoro meta, but I don’t remember priest being any kind of good.
I think Trump rating every priest card as a 1 star at the time did make sense because he was basing it on whether or not the class was good. While there were some dedicated priest players (like myself) I remember it being just one of the absolute worst times to play Priest even if the cards introduced were used later on like Shadow Visions. At the time of the release, priest was Garbo.
Actually, Un'Goro was a great time for priest, at least the first month or so. The meme 'purify priest' deck was actually very strong before people managed to get that stupidly bonkers rogue quest to work every time by turn 5.
@@farmerashunicorn priest was a meme because priest was unplayable. Quest rogue was bonkers day one.
@@mintyking1 Unicorn Priest was a meme, yes.
But Purify Priest, which ran 2 Ancient Watchers, 2 Humongous Razorleaves, 2 Silence, 2 Purify, 2 Argus, 2 Defenders, 2 Owls, 2 Spellbreakers, 2 Inner Fire comboes, and a bunch of other cards was a very strong deck day 1. I know because I PLAYED that deck and it was a lot of fun, and I had ~70% win rate with it for the first two weeks.
By comparison, no, Quest Rogue was not bonkers day 1. It was a good deck, sure, but most people took a while to figure out how to best trigger the quest. But because they could only drop the Caverns on turn 7-8, early versions of the quest rogue lost to aggro decks, or strong mid-range decks like Purify Priest that got enough of a lead before that. It took most rogues about a week and a half to refine the deck and their plays to the point where Cavern turn 5 was basically guaranteed, and if dropped that early it was a sure win.
I love Day9's meta cut ins at different parts of the videos, theyre so well timed you think its a live reaction to the video itself. Very well done
i crafted 2 golden Dinomancys in day one of the set back in the day. do i regret it? every single day
XDDDDDDDDDDD
The fledgling brougth So many flashbacks... Turn 3, turn 4 attack, windfury attack stealth and GG
Edit: cristal core got nerfed 3 times. First, 5 Minions, then the Minions become 4/4, then 6 minions
"Its less then a minute how bad could it be" proceeds to be the worst minute of his life
Iirc Trump was actually spot on with his priest Ungoro reviews. Those cards were all bad on release but they got busted when the Lich King set was released. Lyra priest was a giga meme on release.
7:48 bro is just drinking out of the water heater raw lol
I kinda get what kripp was cooking with temporus. I think the main issue, is that you NEED to drop it on an empty board because you cant really clear alongside it, so if the opponent has ANYTHING on board when you play it, it will connect twice which is almost insurmountable amounts of damage. But i do think that if you COULD consistently plop it on an empty board somehow itd be much much better kinda like what kripp said
The thing with most of trumps reviews is that he ranks them based on how good he things they will be during the release of that expansion. warlock sucked during the time of knights of the frozen throne there for his review pretty accurate.
Yea it was even explained in this video how he ranked cards
Same for priest. Yes lyra and the 2 drop were pretty good cards on their own and were played in priest. But until priest recieved shadowreaper anduin+raza the class didnt really see relevant play so his review was pretty fair
Yeah he doesnt rate cards based on how good it is oncits own or even really how good it is for the class. He rates cards based on how much play he thinks it will see and if the class isn't seeing any play because it sucks then the cards will be rated low. Surprising how many people dont get this.
I remember supercollider being reviewed and everyone saying “just play one minion” and I remember thinking literally what deck wins by playing only one minion
The deck who doesn't give a f*ck about his minions, like a discover spell spam.
okay the ending was a straight 10/10. Great job David. Insane idea and perfectly executed!
The Day9 rant on dominant hands makes me cackle everytime and I seriously have to remember that as an insult.
“I hope you lose hand dominance.”
Kripp was so spot on vicious fledgling. Day9 was just hysterical.
I didn't know there was more preamble to the LARGER AND LARGER MAN rant, whoa
this aftermath of cardreviews are golden content, cant get enough of it
When they printed cataclysm i tried lakarri sacrifice, was able to have it active on turn 5 and then lost anyway because it wasn't good enough
24:37 snowflipper penguin was in aggro druid, which is a top deck, so its kind a great card in the end
18:45 - Most people don’t realize mill in MTG and Hearthstone play out totally differently. In magic mill is used as a separate strategy. In hearthstone it is a tool for attrition and disruption (both of which either don't work or have better alternatives in MTG).
To be more specific since normal decks in MTG draw about 15-20 of their cards per game you need to mill about 40-45 of them and they you can win. You either get there or you don’t. There is not benefit to the 1st 30 you mill unless you manage to finish the job. In Hearthstone the number of cards drawn is the same with decks being only 30 cards. It much more often happens that players draw through their decks even without mill (something that happens only rarely in MTG) and a couple of extra mills can speed up the fatigue clock a lot.
However, what is even more important is the disruption element - Hearthstone doesn’t have many ways to interact with effects that happen immediately. Something like the quest for example just happens. You are then left with mill as the only way how to interact with cards still in opposing deck (outside of specific answers designed to combat certain cards). Given the fact most important cards are often Legendary this interaction is actually possible and each mill gives you at least 5% chance to hit an important piece in any given game and win on the spot. In magic decks play 4 copies of their most important cards so that is not possible and even if it were you often have access to specific answers that can stop them without randomness like Counterspells or Discard.
19:10 I remember a YT channel that did HS mathematics going over why Keleseth came to a meta with relatively weak 2-drops that enabled Keleseth to be even better. Kind of an interesting watch
46:22 man, I miss Kibler's hand Mage. Arugal was actually servicable there
One of your best video series! Love them! Keep it up!
That caverns below being completed on turn 3 was hilarious editing, based david
bro i was playing hearthstone since 2017 to like 2020 but watching those card review with you its so funny. I can feel that im laughing together with my friend. Best series
The worst part about Caverns Below is you not only just can't interact with it (xd my main minion I'm summoning is always in my hand) AND the turn they play it the board is immediately buffed so you have to take HORRENDOUS value trades into 1/1 shitters because if you leave them up you might get hit for 20 in the dome.
Loved seeing your picks at the end. I guess you haven't been doing card reviews for too long. Lol
Cosmonaut Variety Hour was the biggest surprise cameo near the end of this video. One of my favorite channels lol.
can u link the timestamp?
The reason why Gnomeferatu is better in HS than it would be in MTG is primarily because of the differences in discard mechanics.
In HS when you discard a card from the deck that card is gone, there is no way to return it. If you discard a keystone card of your deck you may lose the game on the spot.
In Magic, discarding cards puts them in the graveyard where they usually are more available to the player. There are tons of cards that search the graveyard and returns them to the hand or otherwise interacts with them. Milling a key card is often a good thing, you usually can't lose the game from discarding a single card
There are other factors as well, in Magic the size of your deck is bigger, you can have more than one copy of legendary cards etc, but the above is the biggest reason
Omnislash did a "set in review" awards show for Frozen Throne, and gave Blackguard the "1 Star because Priest won't see play" award for the card everyone got wrong.
Kripp slowly putting together the fledging is so funny 13:15
Most fun I had in a while , very good editing.
First time I ever saw Shudderwock was unspoiled and since I was a little kid imagine my face when I saw all these effects just multiplying and appearing…
I conceded out of honour.
25:32 to 26:15 had me in tears! That was so funny. Saul Goodman! That’s hilarious!
Day9 aged like fine wine. The others made elaborate guesses and were wrong sometimes. Day9 was just hilarious. And still is 😂❤
RIP Jailer, it was fun whilt it lasted
I'd say good riddance! Most unfair and toxic crap I ever seen
7:49
is this man drinking his beverage straight from the kettle?
Discarding for lakkari was a breeze since the deck was based around discard. The part that made it boof was filling your boards with 3 attack minions that get summoning sickness lol. Not to mention most of the time your opp could pass and not take lethal the following turn making you unable to play any minions
Back in the day I love toast the most but I never thought I missed Day9 even more
Rarran's worst enemy is his own opinions. Laughed my ass off at the whole "react to yourself" part.
Man seeing Blackguard again reminds me of Firebat using it with truesilver champion to try and highroll the ability to kill several things in a turn (blackguard could kill the minion you were swing at with the heal proc from truesilver.) Good times.
48:50 how did rarran not catch that he made the gloop white instead of green lmfao
Idk who edited this but they are not getting paid enough . 15:23 This transition was the funniest thing I saw in a long while
Love that at 28:01, he just straight up described the deck that came out of those cards
I know it was unbalanced as hell but I loved playing Flappy Bird.
A perfectly timed long video for my twist ranked sesh
14:15 Wanna add: The absolute nut draw was 2x Innervate 2x Fledgling going second. Turn 1 double Fledgeling was an instant concede from literally every deck because nobody could out it.
Hey @Rarran I know this video is a bit old by now :) but as a magic player I wanted to explain why Mill isn't that good and seen as a meme deck in magic.
First of all, you have 60 cards, and the mill plan is to get 45-50 of them into graveyard / out of the game, before the enemy deal 20 dmg to you. Now, stats on minions and spells are kinda the same as in heartstone, so 1 mana deal 2, or 2 mana 2/3 or 3/2, is very common. And because of how many cards you need to put into your mill deck to do that on avg b efore the avg speed of the format, while also staying alive.. So you typically got 4-7 turns to do it before the enemy have something that just kills you.
So mill decks tend to a big mill package, a tiny bit of counterspell, and removal, but this is very limited and slows you down alot when you have to do it. So milling 60 cards, takes along time, not to mention some cards in magic shuffle back into your deck, and some even shuffle your entire graveyard back into your deck.
Meanwhile in heartstone, you have less cards, and around the same lifetotal, meaning each card milled is effectively worth more damage then they are in Magic. Making it far more effective then it is in magic. especially any card burned in heartstone, is just gone..and cannot come back.
So overall, you have to work -alot- for mill in magic, and most mill cards don't do anything else, while in HS even just making your enemy draw, is effective mill at times.
The main strength of mill in MtG is the fact that it turns your deck into your life.
And you usually don't have anyways to prevent you from decking out. In a normal game you can block, gain life, cast removal, and all that. Against a mill deck, they usually just play cards that say "mill x cards." So it's essentially burn but with much less tech against it and it's mainly in control colors so they can just stop you from winning too.
I just realized two of the top 5 board clears of all time were released in Frozen Throne. Defile and Psychic scream are top thier
Day9 saying something pretty reasonable before launching into the most insane take you've ever heard is always funny
So many really fun combo decks in that expansion. I wished the editor wouldve added the clip were that asian team loses because they mess up the mechathun combo.
My favorite interaction with Blackguard is giving it lifesteal and then healing for 1 health and watching it keep going.
I want some of what Kripp had when he was discussing Temporus
Kripp eventually being half right about Radiant Elemental being a crippling combo enabler, at least in Wild, is hilarious. The fact that he thought Tempo Priest would ever have a good deck is even more hilarious.
It's interesting tome that the two by far most fun card reviewers to watch for me is Day9 and Reynad, and that could not be more different.
Hilarious editing. Nice job!!!
27:30 Yes, but Oaken summons wasn't in standard meta until the rotation of jade druid. They don't have wrong in kobold and catacombs expansion.
The day9 mastiff rant is referenced in the hearthstone wiki page for Echo lol
God I laughed so hard at your part in at the end :D
i would love to see a video about using the cards people rated good that turned out bad
I remember when Rarran rated Vectus one of the top cards in Schoolmance. One of the strongest sets of all time
45:38 didn't expect a John Mulaney joke in this video
It’s funny how so many of these people look almost identical to how they did years ago, and then there’s people like Kibbler or Raynad who look like absolute babies
58:52 rarran losing his mind from his reviews
Ending was hilarious
Radiant elemental, just like the other Raza Priest priest package, was unplayable until knights of the frozzen throne. They all were borderline playable in only miracle priest (lyra) or inerfire combo (radiant elemental). When Anduin came the following expansion though, all this cards came alive (with Raza). But they were all basically right.
2 mana Prince was indeed unplayable in anything outside of midrange rogue. You have the poison guy, the rogue package and win most tempo matchups, and if you draw that card on turn 2you had like a 70% win rate against the field, and if you had shadowstep it was an auto concede from the opponent. 5 star for that matter, pushing Rogue into the meta; but no, the effect wasnt good enough to not play 2 mana cards on anything but that midrange rogue.
21:00 Sanguine was a zoo card, so it saw play too.
The trump defile stuff got me howling xDDDDD
Oaken summons wasnt insane by any stretch, druid wasnt that big if I remember (Highlander priest, murloc paladin, cubelock and prince rogue?) I think there was the living mana deck that didnt run it. It did summon the 3/6 taunt and the "choose one effects combine both paths", but I dont think there was anything other than Jade Druid at the time running it.
Face colector was trash and didnt see play. You got quest, odd and miracle to choose from and it fit in none.
Day9 was such a vibe man, I miss him
One day we'll get our Rarran x Day9 collab
Apparently this month!
The difference in mill between MTG and HS is that in MTG you can have 4 copies of everything, and plenty of ways to access your graveyard. So losing cards from the top of your desk isn't generally an issue.
But if you lose your only copy of a combo piece in HS, you're done.
At least from what I’ve in MtG seen it seems that Milling is more focused on cycling your own library rather than JUST removing your opponent’s library, with combos designed around either exile shenanigans or graveyard shenanigans. The Mill decks I’ve seen are focused on removing their entire libraries and then redrawing them back into play whilst ensuring opponents are just drained all at once.
There's a few ways to mill in MTG. Reanimator dumps big dudes to summon back, Thassa's Oracle has you win the duel if you run out of cards, combine that with a spell that mills till you hit a duplicate. And your deck only has one ofs and a ton of draw. Tarmagoyph is usually a 2 mana 4/5 on turn 2 in certain formats based on different types of cards in the graveyard.
Mill isn't great in magic because you can have 4 copies of one card (in standard). Best way I've heard it described is imagine removing the bottom card instead of the top, would it still be playable?
If you don't have deck manipulation (and Hearthstone has very little besides the dredge set) then removing bottom vs top is completely identical but people don't think of it that way.
48:42 oh hell nah, who changed the color of the gloop hahahaha
did some one say Shudderwock? good thing i have my therapist on speed dial ....
Test Subject was changed to shuffle the cards into the deck instead of returning them to the hand.
Last minute of the video.
Triggers intencifies
Vicious Fledgling was a funny one, I don't think it has seen much play in standard but pretty sure they had to make it less available for arena because it'd decide games on its own. In Standard due to deck consistency you'd have a far better time against it.
Edit: Caverns Below was such an unfun card man. It wasn't even that particularly strong, just horrible to play against.
Stone hill Defender in Pally was usually a 2nd Sunkeeper T. Sooooo yeah slept on.
It’s back! Love these videos. The beginning of Hearthstone was the best of times. Tournaments were the best. Kripp every night
Getting Tirion off of Discover a Taunt minion was the best.
Honorable mention: gadgetzan ferryman, pretty terrible for all of his life... And then quest rouge happened, and we all know how that went.
Day9 clips are simply awesome
I think if fledgeling couldn't get windfury it would have been so much less toxic
Treant druid was only a thing during two times in Standard, now and during Boomsday... and yet Rarran doesn't remember Mulchmuncher e.e