The Turkish Get Up is USELESS
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I’m Turkish and I agree we don’t even get up like that
😂
I always wondered, do you actually do the "Turkish sitdown"? As in, in Polish language, sitting on the floor with your legs crossed is called "Siedzenie po turecku". Considering the huge and often understated influence of Ottoman culture on Polish culture due to centuries of conflict and trade and all that jazz (f.e. the reason why Poles back then would carry curved sword which made them stand out from all other European nobility) I'd imagine it is, but idk.
@@aw2584 Yes, in countryside most of the people still eat their food at floor table ,which is approximately 30 cm high from the ground, while sitting with crossed leg.Also some other asian nations like Japans sit like this as ı know.
The key is antagonistic systems work by supersetting Turkish get ups with Greek put downs.
@@aw2584 As a Turk I love Sarmatism in terms of its clothing aesthetics etc maybe because how much it resembles us idk
So the takeaway here is if you're a waiter the exercise has merit
Only if you're a waiter that falls alot with the tray in your hand. And in that case I'm guessing you won't be working for very long. 😂
The take away is Mike sucks at movement and should stay im his lane.
@@dis4980shut up rogan butt boy
@@rylterNo, you will get a pay raise by impressing all the customers when you save their food
If you're a waiter, you fall a lot, and you fall with the food intact on the tray (since the move only helps with getting up, not getting down) then yes
That "I am running away" got me smiling a lot.
Same, and I’m your Dad.
@@strongestnattyever-videos2247Same and I’m your father
@@ShivPatel-hy6vu yes you are, and our pork swords are the same size
This move targets the systems used to get off the floor when you've smoked too much hash on your gap year backingpacking trip through Anatolia.
That is absolutely hilarious 😂😂😂 I've lived there
@@fredthemanish I've never been. Have an Anatolian Shepherd mix.
I just assumed the Rogan/Graham Hancock/Gobeklitepe effect might have increased the 20 something Americans trouncing across Asia minor.
😂😂😂😂
@@justinmyers6737 either way that joke was hilarious
Doesn't Rogaine do a lot of drugs? Probably why he's practicing it
Jamie pull up that video of a Grizzly performing a Turkish Get Up with 600 pounds
While on DMT!
That's unfair. Comparing a Greek God to others.
Full!
😂
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius I don't know man. Zeus over here just told me that you're Allah is not real.
So who of them is right?
There’s drug testing in jiu jitsu? *inserts clip of Gordon Ryan (poster boy for steroids in jiu jitsu)
lol I was thinking the same thing. He’s bigger and stronger for a reason 🤔
Same, there are literally videos of Gordon Ryan pretty Mich admitting he juices because there isn't enough good testing lol
That would be andre galvao , Gordon ryan is just taller but no where near as jacked
there must be divisions for different drug concentrations
@@Izzy267NZheight means longer muscles and harder to look as big they could genuinely have the same strength but just because he LOOKS more jacked because he’s shorter.
I don’t think anyone thinks the Turkish getup is a strength exercise? It’s a mobility and coordination exercise. Address it on those terms. Your debunk is like saying yoga is pointless because it’s not a strength oriented sport
Ah yes, a mobility and coordination exercise, can you elaborate on what exactly it is improving? And how it does so better than the many alternatives?
@@kristoferprovencal3608 I’m no expert, that’s why I was hoping I’d get a good explanation of this from Dr Mike before he dismissed it without addressing it properly. I’m guessing it improves overhead shoulder ROM, spinal coordination, balance and core strength
@@kristoferprovencal3608this exercise is great for building shoulder stability during overhead pressing, i wouldn’t know anything about jiu jutsu though
@@kristoferprovencal3608 my argument for the exercise would be that it actually includes your ability to keep balance under load while getting off the ground from a lying down position, which in some cases could help with day-to-day life. Is there better alternatives? Probably. I would say that your bodies ability to keep from falling over while balancing something heavy overhead could potentially translate to some practical real life purpose. It might be hyper specific purpose, with very little transfer to other things, but I’m not willing to say it’s a useless exercise.
@@kristoferprovencal3608I think for me it’s a matter of playing around with a different movement pattern. I would never look to this exercise to drive strength, power, or size, but I’ll play around with it and a host of other oddball lifts to become a more well rounded athlete. I feel the difference on the mat
Its not for aesthetics, it functionally connects shoulders, trunk, hips and knees together. Tight shoulders? You can’t do it. Weak core? You can’t do it. Hip range of motion limitations? Its a great functional movement test and should not be discounted on that merit.
it's not useless as a core stablizer... not everything is about max hypertrophy (sigh).
He literally gave the much more useful alternatives, did you even listen
@@robbiekenyon1267More useful, AND less obnoxious. This turkish thingy is just overly complicated things that might ended up with more injury for literally no reason other than being fancyyy
@wiselettuce8715 Transverse, frontal, and sagittal are all different planes of movement. The other options Mike gave were only Sagittal plane movements. Turkish get up trains the body in a different form of movement that is beneficial.
It’s only useful for the elderly to practice getting up after a fall
You don't need Turkish Getup if you subscribe to Life Alert.
they can just practice getting up and down for reps 😂😂😂 the hand placement does nothing. if you want mobility you can just do mobility work
If you can get up and down 10 times you're probably fine, you don't need that whole kettlebell crap.
But only if they're Turkish.
😂😂
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Literally. Guys have no idea about sagittal plains of balance and I'm just learning all this crazy shit that is repairing my body and making it strong AF. Did martial arts for years and the knowledge has been a game changer. I like Mike. But he only is funny to listen to sometimes. Not that smart.
@yoshiborghero4624 yeah dr mike is stupid lol fucking idiots
@@yoshiborghero4624hi would you have any sources for someone looking to get started in what you’re describing ?
In this topic squat university is the expert.
@@KhataarFelMataar the comment under you is what your looking for.. It's crab 🦀 to sit here and say "oh the new fad is this, go squat university on TH-cam for FACTS". That's sad to do to Mike he's a funny guy I like him. But there! I did it. Lol. I just can't handle misinformation. Especially in a time where people won't even talk about mainlinimg protein to get bigger!!😡🤬 And the anabolic system with compound movement! It's sad how unhelpful people can be. Helping others with info makes us ALL better. Eventually. But people seem to think if they spread misinformation it'll somehow make THEM better 🤦 actually just makes others worse! I reject the dumb wimpy people! Unless they wish to change. Then we can all be super.
Is not a muscle growth exercise, it’s a coordination exercise
Yes you are exactly correct. "Dr". Mike swings again .. and misses completely. Squat U?😅
Came here to say this. Mike lifts, but he clearly doesn’t know much about jiu jitsu.
@@12thGenNewton Dr Mike is a black belt and is fairly good. Plenty of videos of him rolling.
Exactly. Coordination among the different body parts. Perfect for Jiu Jitsu and grappling.
@@yoshiborghero4624you think squat u gives bad advice?
It's actually the greek get up and turkish yogurt , there has been a mix up.
it was probably helleniki getapis but turks stole it from them, thats how they learned to get up and walk, they were crawling until that point in history
Oh homie, you had to pick this scab?
@@qotsacovers6115 Has always been Türk gütubü, Greek not invent anything except boy sex
Lmao
@@qotsacovers6115 Has always been Türk gütubü. Greek only invent boy sex
I know a guy who does 135 on Turkish getup. It’s kind of terrifying in a way.
Counterpoint: there are people every bit as qualified as Dr Mike who think the Turkish Get-up is a useful exercise
Qualified in what, precisely?
Qualified in what, precisely?
Qualified in what, precisely?
@@davidlee3638 qualified in training the best athletes of this generation
I've realized the use the get-up movement to get out of bed, not kidding.
If your having trouble getting out of bed, maybe there's underlying issues...
@RebeccaKenworthy it's called.. the outside world
@@Couldhavebeensomeone Is it? I don't know about that, seems to me that outside of extreme age it's caused by a lack of strength and agility- two important markers when doctors consider your biological age vs physiological age...
There is an old saying in sport science where i live: "it's theory job to explain the practical results - not to disprove them". Dr. Mike is bodybuilding coach with zero functionality - who coaches other walking thumbs - yet he present himself like the end authority of everything training related. He was cool once, but now his head went is too far into his own a..
Just do em for 6 weeks. You’re not competing now, in fact your goal is to slim down so, if they work as you’re expecting them to they’ll satiate your gym lust while providing no real stimulus & you can say definitively “I did this shit and it sucks”… Or in 6 weeks you’ll appreciate them from a new perspective that you could have only gotten by doing them. Win-win.
Important fact to consider here, Rogan is a BJJ black belt under a tough coach, and has been studying the game for a long time. Not to mention he's talking about BJJ training here anyways and not bodybuilding. No offence, I feel like Mike should stick to bodybuilding.
Mike should deff stick to bodybuilding. This one ill go with Rogan.
Dr Aaron from Squat University as well as a bunch of other highly qualified people in the fitness industry love Turkish Get-ups. I enjoy a lot of his content but Dr Mike has a bit of a cult-like following
Dr Mike views exercise soley through the lens of strength and muscle building. It gives him some biases that I'm not sure he even fully recognizes. I don't believe he does, hence some occasional "tone deaf" videos when dealing with some kinds of lifts.
@@fitnesse9055 If anyone has a cult-like following I'd say it's Rogan. Dr. Mike might not be right 100% of the time but Rogan has to have a very good day to even reach 50%.
@@fitnesse9055 But not for hypertrophy or BJJ. That's the context of it in this video.
Thanks. I totally forgot these existed and you just dug up suppressed memories of my coach insisting these were the end all be all.
Careful there Mike, Joe Rogan has more combat sports knowledge and experience than you do by a long shot
Turkish getup isnt combat sports
@@BEARDEDSLOTH802 deadlifts isn't combat sports too 😂
Complete symphony of strength and agility. Not everything can or should be viewed through the lens of body building.
It's a display of strength, stability and mobility (Definitely not agility)
But Mike's point is that it is not a good method for developing any of those qualities as there are a whole bunch of competing demands throughout the movement which none of them by themselves are necessarily particularly difficult.
It's viewed through the lens of exercise science, by an exercise scientist.
@@vvoof2601and many of his peers would disagree
He's not talking about bodybuilding. He's talking about how the strength translates to the sport.
@@mitchellcotton7346in competition we used to say "train your weakness, compete your strength". The Turkish movement is a concert movement like many movements and identifies which smaller function could be strengthened towards the overall function. We mimic such orchestrations in life more than we think.
Saying the reason Gordon wins is because strength is size must be a joke
Fr, Gordon Ryan trains 365 times a day
How come squat university have a different opinion
squat university guy is a doctor of physical therapy and mike is a doctor of exercise science. Let's think about what different purpose would the exercise serve when recommended by a physical therapist, not an exercise scientist
They aren't worried about hypertrophy or muscle growth
They're physical therapist no? They'd be more concerned with stability aspects than hypertrophic, like they care about it but not as much.
@@wojciechsawicki4733 Mike said it's useless tho
@@tameshrew469A lot of things he says has to be taken from the perspective of exercise/ bodybuilding. You can clearly get stronger in the exercise so it’s not “useless” from that perspective.
I've always viewed the TGU as a coordination and mobility movement. One that you can add weight to to increase difficulty thus making it easier to do the movement without added weight. Sort of like standing up from sitting Indian style without using your hands. I don't think anyone uses it to build muscle in the vein of hypertrophy for bodybuilding.
this guy is basically telling you he doesn't understand the purpose of the Turkish get up. but he wants you to trust him because he's an expert. lol
Exactly, also he's a steroid head
It looks like it would help with timing and coordination
It's a fantastic exercise if one of your shoulders can't properly support your arm in overhead lifts or pullups and you get wrist/forearm pain or limited mobility overhead. Also if you have hip issues for example one side of the hip has restricted or not well coordinated hinge pattern.
remember guys, this info is coming from a brown belt… be careful what we say
Remember Joseph, this info is coming from an exercise scientist...be careful what we comment.
A BJJ brown belt with a black belt in sports science.
Sports science PhD
How is he a brown belt? He looks like a steroid head
I disagree. Core balance, coordination and general synergy of strength/mobility that you get from exercises like this versus raw muscling. Heavy, slow guys lose in most weight classes.
Thank you for this.
Many people seem to have shoulder pain. I attribute my shoulder health and stability to TGUs.
I'll agree, I have a bad shoulder but doing consistent TGU's once or twice a week really helps. Plus, they are fun, they demand a very strong mind to body connection or you'll really hurt yourself.
Same here. I have issues with my shoulders (probably due to an injury as a baby) and because of it I could not do a single pull up (as well as most other movements that require overhead arm positioning) no matter what I did until I started adding these to my routine and it helped with the stability in my shoulder and now I am finally improving on my pull ups and continuing to get better.
Mike lacks shoulder mobility, he just hype focuses on strength and muscle building. Exercise can only be for that in his worldview
Much prefer getups with a sandbag or vest
Now that makes much more sense. I think the aspect of getting up from the floor is useful, but holding a weight above your head the whole time is kind of pointless.
@whitemakesright2177 it really is. I had a pretty heavy TGU without ever doing them, just benching, ohp, rowing, etc. There's really no reason to them unless you only have a kettlebell. But getting up with a heavy vest on is brutal on your core and worth it, imo.
I respectfully disagree. The getup has its own place in training. There is a strongman who despises the deadlift due to its injury potential, but does it make bad for everyone?
Wait, there is drug testing in bjj? I only heard everyone say that there isn't, that's why Gordon Ryan always does these insane body transformation and Andre Galvao looks the way he looks
they don't test in bjj and probably won't unless it becomes an olympic sport
Some leagues do, some don't. Obviously Gordon Ryan will not compete in any tested competition.
They test gold medalists in IBJJF. So you have to act like Dash in The Incredibles.
I’m fine to say a TGU *tests* systematically all the muscles involved in the TGU - but only the way they’re used in a TGU, and doesn’t optimally train any of them across domains, even as a unit. So I wouldn’t defend it as a diagnostic tool either. The place it has taken up in Hardstyle KB modality reminds me a little of the influencers who appear to believe “a strong grip” MORE than correlates with health in an elderly person, that simply a strong folding finger grip alone somehow *is behind* the host of desirable levels of health functions.
JR: non glamorous moves like the Turkish get up… RP: the Turkish get up may be the most glamorous move out there… had me rolling
I’m still waiting to wake up and get the alert from Spotify that the episode of Dr Mike on Rogan just got posted
Hereafter will be referred to as the "waiter-no-spill-ish get-up"
How about shoulder stability ... Thats huge benefit here.
Thank you 🙏🏼
Bro i like dr mike but just bc it isnt growing muscle like a squat doesn't mean its bad. Joe clearly says its for jujutsu not boddy building. Its core and stability
I learned a version of the Turkish getup from an MD as part of a chronic pain management class. It wasn’t used as a lifting exercise but as a mobility one. We started in reverse as they said it’d be easier to start with the “Turkish get down” and instead of a weight we held a shoe balanced on a fist. The goal was to get from standing to lying on the ground to back up without moving incorrectly or dropping the shoe. A lot of shoes hit the floor the first few tries. 😆
No one is going to believe me but in high school I knew a guy who did the turkish get up with 100 ib and he weighed like less than 120
Really good points
Mike- Gordan Ryan is on gear and everyone knows it! BJJ doesn't do drug testing, as far as I know...
I like it 😂. It's a good movement, maybe not for physique but it keeps you young.
Squat university says it’s a good exercise for those who suffer from bad shoulder mobility.
Get Mike on JRE, and annihilate Rogan.
Have you seen JRE lately? It is not a podcast for reasonable people
joe rogan is fun, but he's way too confident sometime arrogant in fields he has no knowledge of
@sciencefliestothemoon2305 why? Because the guests don't all think like you?
@@yourewrongabouteverything oh one of you guys.
What guests, the 95% MMA and stand up.buddies or the guys that peddle to his conspiracy sense?
@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 I have, which is why someone like Dr. Mike going on there would be a breath of fresh, sensible, grounded air.
Dr. Mike views the entire universe through the prism of bodybuilding
Turkish get-ups are solid for balance. That's about it.
There’s actually a huge issue with the lack of drug testing in competitive jiu jitsu. The guys you mentioned, Gordon Ryan, is literally known for being filled to the brim with steroids. He’s 29 and he looks 50. There is not nearly enough drug testing in competitive jiu jitsu.
Mikes advise only works if ur juiced up
As a bjj practitioner, I deadlift 550lbs at 77kgs, and I would be lying if I said the strength doesn't make it easier.
Only matter of time before we see RP on JRE
What’s the limiting factor on a portugués breakfast?
Turkish getup is excellent for training older people like me on how to go to the floor and get up again. Everyone over 50 should be doing them.
It's the stupidest, least efficient way possible to get up off the floor or down onto it. It's a meme exercise pushed by marketing gurus.
Joe Rogan said something stupid and wrong?! This is my shocked face.😐
Lmao every time is the same
Waiting for a vid where this guy is happy with someone's training
The bodybuilder vs athlete mentality is hilarious
Don’t know this guy at all, but what I do know is, I would rather look like most the guys I see on TH-cam doing Turkish get ups than this guy. Seems like the kettlebell workouts yield more functional strength and fitness compared to the body building, and I definitely don’t aspire to look like him. I’d rather be able to leave a gym and actually be able to hike around in the mountains.
Preach brother, I don't want to be a big steroids head who can't even hike for 5 mins
There’s no drug testing in bjj…
Dr. Mike is a real life Baki character
I love that you discredit the fact Gordon Ryan is light years ahead of his competition in skill, by saying he’s just “bigger and stronger”. The dude has competed against much bigger and stronger guys.
Gordon Ryan is JUICED!
Actually a really good warm up exercise in my opinion. Great for a low stress warm up that gets things moving. That’s how I use compound exercises like this always. Also I don’t want to be large cause I’m a climber, I want to be flexible with fantastic control of my body in awkward movements so I train awkward movements under weight to get better at them.
There's actually a specific mount escape which basically uses the Turkish get up. However it's not necessary to train the Turkish Get Up to use that escape. If you're strong you'll get it anyway
“Thats why we have drug testing in jiu jitsu” lmao that one made me laugh hard 😂😂😂
You have to be able to withstand loads in other planes of motion besides just fixed movements like deadlifts or you just move like a robot. Promoting different motor patterns for someone who doesn’t just lift weights for their sport is good. Bad take.
That’s like saying you’re gonna be good at basketball because you lift 600lbs.
Mike has explained his philosophy on sport training in other places. He believes that you should train for any sport primarily by practicing the sport. If you have extra training capacity, then you should lift weights for hypertrophy, mostly targeting the muscles important to your sport. And I tend to think he's right. Everything that the TGU trains for BJJ would be trained better by simply practicing BJJ, and lifting for hypertrophy in relevant muscles.
@whitemakesright2177 No top athlete does that. Expecting better performance just by practising the sport itself will never work better. Improving a specific aspect is necessary. Imagine a boxer that does nothing but spar, he'll barely improve.
@@xylonbandadoing the sport, or sparring intelligently in this example, will make you better faster than anything else.
Let's go to basketball. Playing competitively is the best way of getting better. But even when you need to break down a skill like shooting and practice... You use the actual ball. You would get better slower by practicing with medicine balls or tennis balls.
@@xylonbanda Gordon Ryan literally does that. He trains bjj and lifts weights like a bodybuilder would.
@kevinkanzler495 No it won't. Adding other stuff is a must. There's a ton of elite boxers and UFC fighters that don't even spar at all or only spar a few rounds in a long time. E.g if you wanna improve your dunk, you practise your vertical. If I'm training my kicks, I won't get far without mobility training.
As far as i know this exercise is good in rehabilitation and for core stability if you have muscular imbalances or have never really targeted your core in a functional way, so the reasoning here is right, a Jujitsu fighter should have this qualities by training the martial art movements alone
When you get your diploma online and you don't know the difference between strength and mobility...
I thought they weren’t testing in jiu jitsu.Someone told me that’s why Gordon Ryan is always winning. Man I need to start watching it again.
I love this guy. The hard cut to “the Turkish getup may be the most glamorous move ever invented” 😂😂😂
Your subscriptions are goated bro
I'm so happy we live in a world where people with dented heads can find special work assignments.
Maybe if you have trouble getting up from a kneeling position it might help I'm no expert but maybe that's the point of the lift.
I think the missing context is that often times when JR. speaks of the Turkish getup is as a singular exercise to work many parts of your body away from a gym.
The waiters exercise when falling and getting back up without spilling the plate 😅
I do dig that about you Doc your honest. It's so rare with everyone kissing each others ass today. 👍
Finally some one has the nerve to say hey just do dead lifts and squats.
Gordon Ryan being big only adds to his dominance but he'd be doing what he's doing regardless.
Obviously what we need now a Turkish get up contest.
I always looked at the turkish get up as a good warm up, nothing more. But I also don’t think cleans develop much in the way of explosive power. Meaning a guy wont start jumping out of the gym if he does cleans, but if a guy who can already jump out of the gym, is taught cleans, he will be good at cleans.
There is no drug testing in Jiu jitsu
There’s no drug testing in BJJ lol
Gordon Ryan is also juiced like a Tropicana
You lost me at "drug testing in jujitsu" 😂😂
Petition for Mike on JRE
I think that the Turkish getup just stretches your skeletal and nervous system and puts too much stress on your nervous system which is being pulled from end to end
Turkish get ups can be great for people trying to build shoulder stability. Many physiotherapists program them for shoulder dislocation rehab
Not at all.
Okay so does it not help with shoulder stability?
A lot of people are doing TGUs with 75% or more of their bodyweight - holding that aloft with one arm, stabilizing with the shoulder and core, across multiple planes of motion, absolutely has carry-over into grappling *at minimum*. Anecdotally, more than a few people I've coached have reported reductions or elimination of previous shoulder pain after introducing and training the movement. I'm not claiming it to be better or worse than more conventional, saggital-plane movements, like deads/squats; they just have a different application. I think "purposeless" is a pretty unfair assessment.
I don’t see how it couldn’t be helpful to get up Turkishly
Thank u
If you can "Turkish Getup" 250lbs, you're dandy. Because that's what you'd need to actually get up from underneath a fighter.
“Deadlifts 600lbs. for reps”
Ronnie Coleman taking up ju jitsu
I found the Turkish getup super useful when dealing with a newborn baby. Just having the practice and balance to confidently get up from the ground while holding something stable with one arm that you can’t put down was really helpful. But in that case it was really practicing a functional movement not creating a stimulus, and obviously you don’t hold the baby over your head.
I hope you're not holding your baby high up in the air like that with one hand when you're standing up with them, though.
600 pound deadlift guy keeping you fast as hell
Jamie .. pull up that grizzly bear doing Turkish getups
Effect for what sport exactly? The three big lifts don’t do as much as you’d think for wrestling or MMA. Clubs, getups etc have a lot of carry over.
If you get old. Maybe using the muscles to simply get up is good for you. It’s not all about how much or how it makes you look. Sometimes a very functional workout is just for ease of life growing into later stages of life