Any character that does well against pikachu would probably be a good secondary. Assuming any char does good against pika lol. Maybe ness? Or just make pika your secondary. I personally main palu and use zss or ike as secondary depending on the matchup. My pika game is garbage so i dont even bother using that char of it’s a match i care about.
mario is always a great secondary cause it covers pikachu relatively well and he also covers battlefield and yoshi's story really well if you wanna use that to your advantage
Honestly I feel like palutena can deal with anything. Every match I see of her losing I realize there was a move or two the player wasnt using that could have countered what ever the player was struggling with.
Even though I bet you'll probably play Olimar more often in the future since he's like your favorite character of all time, I'm really happy to see you repping Palutena in tournament right now!
I think you are sleeping on her uptilt a little bit. It counters a shit ton of down B's and down airs because it lowers her hurt box. So although not that amazing for raw juggling etc. it can be used to bait down B's from people like link and get a free juggle off of that.
15:28 what? her worst anti air? I always had the imperssion its one of the best anti airs in the whole game. She lowers here body and hitbox so low she cant be hit underneath her staf. this move actually beat nigh ANYTHING in the game that comes from above. bowerser down B, any down air really... It flat outs beat attacks from above.
It doesnt beat out pogo stick dairs, like Cloud, Link, YL, TL dairs, well it does sometimes, bug it's very situational and is not a good option to use, so youd be better off waiting for them to fall down and punish with bair or fair with spacing
Hello everyone , i want to ask a question , im currently training to main palutena , i want to ask two questions: Is it essential to learn perfect shielding with her? Also , do you have two gamecube controllers, one for training , and one for the case when you destroy the one you use? Im new at smash so im sorry if im asking all those questions . Im trying to get all the basics and im struggling woth fast falling especially with hoping . Thank you for reading and have a good day!
Sorry to ask another question... But what would you recommend I practise when playing by myself with Palutena? I've found quickplay is a little laggy to be that playable (even with a LAN adaptor my internet sucks) and can only find players from my region to play every so often, so is there anything I should do with extra time? I've got teleport cancels, ef distances and general combos down already :)
@@DabuzSSB Hmm, thank you. I might use the time to practise a 2ndary character who's a little more complex than Palu, even if it might not be the best use of my time. Cheers :D
When fighting characters who have safe aerials on shield i genuinely have no idea how to hit characters when they're controlling centre stage :/ Any suggestions for what you can do to get out of pressure situations
@@DabuzSSB Thanks for the reply! I think my issue is partly just getting nervous and pressing buttons, I'll try and implement your advice and test to see if there's anything else she can do
디 what helps me is changing the L button to jump and c stick to tilt. When you do the down throw, push forward on the joystick to move forward, then push it back, hit L, then c stick. I realize if you do it in order it will work best, hope I didn’t confuse you
Is F tilt really that bad? I have been using it and people usually get hit by it, however I don't play at a high level by any means so that's probably why
2 months late reply but, I've been playing her since roughly around release date when i got the game. All of her tilts are quite punishable because their startup isn't great and have a lot of endlag, making it quite unsafe in most situations. Uptilt lowers her hurtbox and can be a call out move for jump-ins while dtilt can be used at the ledge or for a quick zoning tool because it's the least laggy. Ftilt I feel has the least amount of application aside from her only grounded out of shield option, especially if you need to turn around. Just my thoughts though, i rarely ever use any of her tilts, let alone grounded attacks period. I think she's best played with conditioning fair and bair, air-to-air nair's, and down throw nair combos with edgeguarding. Condition with short hop fair cuz it's fast, and fast fall grab for the mixups once they shield alot.
dabuz a yt called my smash corner did a video called attack cancel or something But showed different ways to combo as Rosa Don’t think it makes her top tier or anything, but I’m sure you could find use in it
@@codysterling9974 Attack cancelling definitely unlocks new potential in Rosa sure, but in that video Dabuz mentions above, he said that she's still an advantage state monster like in Smash 4 but she's lacking in other areas/stages. So while the attack cancelling would only make her even more of a monster in the advantage, that's not enough to make up for the areas of her kit that Dabuz isn't satisfied with. At least that's what I'm getting by Dabuz saying "Not good enough."
McKay Oustrich he’s said before that he isn’t particularly special at relying on reflex as much or at least to compete against other top players. Meanwhile he has to rely on other things to carry him to remain consistently great. Plus he’s playing to win. That said I don’t think palu is cancerous.
what's a good secondary character to learn that will cover her weaknesses?
Any character that does well against pikachu would probably be a good secondary. Assuming any char does good against pika lol. Maybe ness? Or just make pika your secondary. I personally main palu and use zss or ike as secondary depending on the matchup. My pika game is garbage so i dont even bother using that char of it’s a match i care about.
I know you asked this like 2 years ago, but I compared several matchup charts and the best two are:
1. Pikachu
2. Mr. Game and Watch
mario is always a great secondary cause it covers pikachu relatively well and he also covers battlefield and yoshi's story really well if you wanna use that to your advantage
can you go in a little more detail on how to do the downthrow backair combo?
I'm having a hard time getting the input consistently
great video btw!
SaiMan Tam look up attack canceling
@@seantaylor7139 this won't work, because attack canceling forces a short hop, while the back air after downthrow is usually a full hop.
If they DI out then you could do a regular rar bair
Honestly I feel like palutena can deal with anything. Every match I see of her losing I realize there was a move or two the player wasnt using that could have countered what ever the player was struggling with.
Thanks so much for the video, love you Dabuz!
Even though I bet you'll probably play Olimar more often in the future since he's like your favorite character of all time, I'm really happy to see you repping Palutena in tournament right now!
I think you are sleeping on her uptilt a little bit. It counters a shit ton of down B's and down airs because it lowers her hurt box. So although not that amazing for raw juggling etc. it can be used to bait down B's from people like link and get a free juggle off of that.
Not to mention IIRC it comes out like frame 6 so it's a pretty good quick punish that combos at low percents and leads to juggles at higher percents
You look like Rev from Vinesauce! Anyway, _I'm ready whenever they are._ *[halo blinks]*
Great Guide, I improved alot :)
Maybe I would like to see some actual gameplay against skilled opponents next time to see those tips in action.
Paverick dude, watch tournament footage for that, there’s already plenty
15:28 what? her worst anti air? I always had the imperssion its one of the best anti airs in the whole game. She lowers here body and hitbox so low she cant be hit underneath her staf. this move actually beat nigh ANYTHING in the game that comes from above. bowerser down B, any down air really... It flat outs beat attacks from above.
Yeah it's weird. It's a really good anti air Imo, but using it for anything else is always a negative
It doesnt beat out pogo stick dairs, like Cloud, Link, YL, TL dairs, well it does sometimes, bug it's very situational and is not a good option to use, so youd be better off waiting for them to fall down and punish with bair or fair with spacing
Great guide, thank you!
Dabuz showing off all the #SKILLZ he got from being a pro player on Uprising on the 3DS! ;)
Hello everyone , i want to ask a question , im currently training to main palutena , i want to ask two questions: Is it essential to learn perfect shielding with her? Also , do you have two gamecube controllers, one for training , and one for the case when you destroy the one you use?
Im new at smash so im sorry if im asking all those questions . Im trying to get all the basics and im struggling woth fast falling especially with hoping .
Thank you for reading and have a good day!
Don't understand why this video doesn't have more views compare to Leffen's Palutena guide.
Because he's leffen some ppl aren't even there for his guide
@@woe1008 true.
f i r e m o v e
*NAIR*
Dabuz, how do you deal with projectile characters as Palutena?
Zephor Erm ... reflector? Also, B-air and dash attack invincibility is good for that as well.
The reflector is super unsafe so it might work out for reads but I'd recommend using it sparingly.
Thanks for not calling her side b "fire move" like that one ex-pokemon trainer main who calls themselves good at ultimate
@Che Sprehe He does now. :3
Sorry to ask another question... But what would you recommend I practise when playing by myself with Palutena? I've found quickplay is a little laggy to be that playable (even with a LAN adaptor my internet sucks) and can only find players from my region to play every so often, so is there anything I should do with extra time? I've got teleport cancels, ef distances and general combos down already :)
@@DabuzSSB Hmm, thank you. I might use the time to practise a 2ndary character who's a little more complex than Palu, even if it might not be the best use of my time. Cheers :D
@@DabuzSSB omg i just saw you uploaded a YL guide he's my next fav character dabuz you the mvp
GJ in the last tournament
When fighting characters who have safe aerials on shield i genuinely have no idea how to hit characters when they're controlling centre stage :/ Any suggestions for what you can do to get out of pressure situations
@@DabuzSSB Thanks for the reply! I think my issue is partly just getting nervous and pressing buttons, I'll try and implement your advice and test to see if there's anything else she can do
awesome guide keep it up
Can someone give me tips on the down throw back air? I can only barely get it 10% of the time in training
디 look up attack canceling
@@seantaylor7139 attack canceling forces a short hop so that wouldn't work for down throw bair
디 what helps me is changing the L button to jump and c stick to tilt. When you do the down throw, push forward on the joystick to move forward, then push it back, hit L, then c stick. I realize if you do it in order it will work best, hope I didn’t confuse you
Thanks for the info Dabuz :D
Tnx for this guide it helps a lot !
Is F tilt really that bad? I have been using it and people usually get hit by it, however I don't play at a high level by any means so that's probably why
2 months late reply but, I've been playing her since roughly around release date when i got the game.
All of her tilts are quite punishable because their startup isn't great and have a lot of endlag, making it quite unsafe in most situations. Uptilt lowers her hurtbox and can be a call out move for jump-ins while dtilt can be used at the ledge or for a quick zoning tool because it's the least laggy. Ftilt I feel has the least amount of application aside from her only grounded out of shield option, especially if you need to turn around.
Just my thoughts though, i rarely ever use any of her tilts, let alone grounded attacks period. I think she's best played with conditioning fair and bair, air-to-air nair's, and down throw nair combos with edgeguarding. Condition with short hop fair cuz it's fast, and fast fall grab for the mixups once they shield alot.
DAir out of shield can be a pretty good option sometimes even is her out of shield game is bad.
Amazing guide thank you ! I'm trying to get better with her so it was very useful :)
Why don't you play Rosa in ultimate?
dabuz a yt called my smash corner did a video called attack cancel or something
But showed different ways to combo as Rosa
Don’t think it makes her top tier or anything, but I’m sure you could find use in it
@@codysterling9974 Attack cancelling definitely unlocks new potential in Rosa sure, but in that video Dabuz mentions above, he said that she's still an advantage state monster like in Smash 4 but she's lacking in other areas/stages. So while the attack cancelling would only make her even more of a monster in the advantage, that's not enough to make up for the areas of her kit that Dabuz isn't satisfied with. At least that's what I'm getting by Dabuz saying "Not good enough."
*You should’ve picked Palutena instead of Olimar in the last tournament*
Which characters are thicc enough to get jab locked by her tall jab hit box?
Does dabuz play any characters that aren’t cancerous?
Why is Palu cancerous?
McKay Oustrich he’s said before that he isn’t particularly special at relying on reflex as much or at least to compete against other top players.
Meanwhile he has to rely on other things to carry him to remain consistently great. Plus he’s playing to win.
That said I don’t think palu is cancerous.
How tf is palu cancer?
have you ever not gone 0-2 at a tournament
@@_akimamoto_6298 yeah. why?