First time I realized I had a Wisconsin accent

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  • @Rhygenix
    @Rhygenix 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7007

    As a Canadian who lived in Wisconsin, Wisconsinites sound more Canadian than Canadians.

    • @VioletJoy
      @VioletJoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      😂

    • @user-pp5oh9ee1k
      @user-pp5oh9ee1k 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      So true

    • @Virulencexx93
      @Virulencexx93 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Accurate

    • @TheShows247
      @TheShows247 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yoo that's exactly what I was thinking (from CT, USA)

    • @SethGibbens
      @SethGibbens 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      that's weird I am from Wisconsin and I have no accent

  • @adriana11280
    @adriana11280 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3472

    "I don't have an accent" I say to myself listening to a man that supposedly has an accent but sounds normal to me

    • @ryanboggs8685
      @ryanboggs8685 4 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      A S same here. I’m from Wisconsin too. He sounds normal to me

    • @cas0225
      @cas0225 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Sounds normal to me too

    • @lzaerrr8188
      @lzaerrr8188 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That because u live here It sounds Normal Too U I live here too

    • @sofiamorehead418
      @sofiamorehead418 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      im from kentucky and he sounds pretty normal (but to be fair ky has a huge mix of people and most accents sound pretty normal to me)

    • @therandomchicken6517
      @therandomchicken6517 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      A S I’m from California and he sounds normal

  • @dylancole5985
    @dylancole5985 4 ปีที่แล้ว +626

    “ has anybody told you you have a voice for....print?”🤣

    • @michaeldaltonsr8954
      @michaeldaltonsr8954 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      yes! a teacher when I was in 4th grade. 35 yrs later, my youngest son, who sings like an angel AND his grandpa, brought me to tears, when he said "you're not THAT bad!" Bless my Dad and my son!

    • @secularhuman5006
      @secularhuman5006 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is the coldest burn i think i've ever heard, somehow 😂😂

  • @scarletrobin
    @scarletrobin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +598

    There are plenty of Wisconsinites who appear to have no accent
    Until they have to say the word "bag"

    • @37nezy
      @37nezy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @B L boat. Coke

    • @scarletrobin
      @scarletrobin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@zarnold3409 lol I guess you're the exception! It's if you say bag like bay-g

    • @maryschrock8090
      @maryschrock8090 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I'm from pa born and raised and my husband makes fun of me for saying bag "like your from Wisconsin or Minnesota" (which then has him make fun of me for how I say them as well) I didn't really hear it till both he and my mother said I do. He will snicker from time to time and I know it's about the accent. No idea how I got it not a single person from the Midwest in my family or close friends.

    • @sinNxes
      @sinNxes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      That’s what betrays my Wisconsin roots. No accent until I say bag

    • @cashkromsupernerd1193
      @cashkromsupernerd1193 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Old coworker of mine was from the UP, and that was always his tell too. He travelled all over the place back when he was in the army and then a truck driver, but never lost the "bayg"

  • @ashmarie5049
    @ashmarie5049 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1547

    As a Wisconsinite myself, I gotta say my favorite accent is that of a upper. “Whatcha dooin fer da weekand we eh?”

    • @kefkapalazzo1
      @kefkapalazzo1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Bruh I watched a movie called Fargo, and this is what they sound like to me. I was dying of laughter

    • @teaminviminkook2794
      @teaminviminkook2794 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Ikr down here in Milwaukee we really don’t have an accent but up north lol it’s crazy

    • @fay8687
      @fay8687 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@teaminviminkook2794 I lived in milw for 23 years, went to Marquette. According to Illinois, even Milwaukee has accent

    • @marcilk7534
      @marcilk7534 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bobby_Trill We have an accent to those from other parts of the US, not as strong as what he did though.

    • @michigangarnet3804
      @michigangarnet3804 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      As a Yooper I send thanks.

  • @sparrowfight5548
    @sparrowfight5548 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1275

    Ask anyone from Wisconsin if they have an accent they will deny having one.

    • @the.reel.mccoy.
      @the.reel.mccoy. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

      According to many English professors and dictation specialists, the "midwest accent" is considered to be the "proper" accentuation of the English language.

    • @sparrowfight5548
      @sparrowfight5548 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Coy Leigh As a British expat living in Wisconsin I would disagree, the dialects are more Irish, German and Norwegian . The closest I have come to a British accent is in Massachusets.

    • @coledelong427
      @coledelong427 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Everyone on TV sounds the same as us, sooo

    • @tylerpeterson4726
      @tylerpeterson4726 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@sparrowfight5548 I've heard that linguists do not consider any of the modern UK accents to be closest to the most proper. I.e., being similar to a British accent doesn't mean it's correct, because British isn't the standard.

    • @the.reel.mccoy.
      @the.reel.mccoy. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@tylerpeterson4726 Well considering the primary roots of modern English originated within the U.K. so that makes sense. :)

  • @saoirsesigurardottir5105
    @saoirsesigurardottir5105 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1453

    That Wisconsin accent gets them people from Utah going.
    It's me. I'm people from Utah and I can't get enough of the Wisconsin accent.

    • @just-incase3483
      @just-incase3483 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Saoirse Salander hey der, want me to talk dirty to ya? I live in Wisconsin 😉 my accent is super duper think !!

    • @aricjahn2676
      @aricjahn2676 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I'm from Wisconsin and living in Utah.

    • @fallendiamond6740
      @fallendiamond6740 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Um... thank you?

    • @isabelwalsh5390
      @isabelwalsh5390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I appreciate it I guess😂

    • @QueenErrr
      @QueenErrr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Lmao me too! It's like almost like us but not quite so we are just so intrigued

  • @the.reel.mccoy.
    @the.reel.mccoy. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1056

    The best part about having a midwestern (Wisconsin) accent, It's incredibly easy to appear happy and kind, without even meaning to. :)

    • @devn3813
      @devn3813 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Coy Leigh western Wisconsin like la crosse has a really thick accent

    • @random-miranda9205
      @random-miranda9205 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Midwest Mopars I’m from la Crosse and I think the more up north you live, the more of an accent you have.

    • @tuttosalve8352
      @tuttosalve8352 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      isnt la crosse a sport
      is it named after the place
      why did you make up such a sport

    • @ghost2coast296
      @ghost2coast296 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      truth. Someone told me to go fuck myself the other day, I said "fuck you too" back and then instinctively ended it with "have a nice day". That ending bothered me for the rest of the day.

    • @zellafae
      @zellafae 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@ghost2coast296 if anything it made it sound like what they said didn't bother you which really bugs some people.

  • @KennaLovesGouda
    @KennaLovesGouda 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1546

    Wisconsin accent is so contagious too lmao. I’m from Florida and went to a boarding school in Wisconsin and omg my southern accent is now mixed with this Wisconsin accent and it’s so hilarious when I’m like “Oh yah y’all take da roondaboot and turn left and all y’all will find da store.”

    • @chrisbecker4412
      @chrisbecker4412 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Wait, Wisconsin has boarding schools????!! When did that become a thing? 🤯

    • @pegmarinello3188
      @pegmarinello3188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Love it.i could sit with a case of pabst and listen to you mash it up all night!

    • @tamarastone141
      @tamarastone141 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @SharkytheChef
      @SharkytheChef 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I’m the same, but opposite lol :] I’m from Wisconsin and moved to Florida

    • @melissakemp4050
      @melissakemp4050 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      it really is. My husband is from Ireland, and I'm from Ozaukee County. Never lived in Wisconsin with him, always Europe, where we met. He has adopted a few of our phrases and says them in a full Wisconsin accent when he's only been to Wisconsin to visit my parents a few times. Nothing funnier than a full Donegal accent mixed with an 'Oh God yah' or or 'Ope sorry!' or 'a couple three' in a full on Wisconsin accent.

  • @lorridzak
    @lorridzak 3 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    The accent is real. And the token phrases are genetic. Our barely verbal autistic son says “ope”. I have never never taught him that. It’s lovely.

    • @colbyzur4642
      @colbyzur4642 ปีที่แล้ว

      The “opes” are in the water

  • @the.reel.mccoy.
    @the.reel.mccoy. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3063

    Everyone: Canadians are so nice
    Reality: Wisconsinites are the people who you will bump into in the store and they'll just say "ope, so sorry for being in your way!"

    • @barbramighall4518
      @barbramighall4518 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I hope you stick what you said in your mouth and eat it. Go Pack! Yep. We are kinda pissy. Stay away from our state. Ha ha ha!

    • @Minotauronabike
      @Minotauronabike 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      I, a Canadian went to a Canadian based Walmart today, and the aisles were just a chorus of sorrys as we all bumped our way to the KD and maple syrup.

    • @amalayah637
      @amalayah637 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      As a Wisconsinite, I always say “ope. Excuse me”

    • @Nick-qp2wn
      @Nick-qp2wn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@amalayah637 "Ope - sorry bud" is me

    • @amalayah637
      @amalayah637 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nick 😂

  • @Nadia72639
    @Nadia72639 4 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    Our future would be so much brighter if we had a Mid-western news anchor

    • @paula889
      @paula889 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol, the funny part is that the standard American anchorman accent IS based on a generic Midwest accent!

  • @bernerbad
    @bernerbad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    I live in Germany for many years & my Wisconsin accent has helped me with my Deutsch.

    • @ancientsalt4291
      @ancientsalt4291 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I dont live there nor ever been there, (Germany) but learning german to understand some of the elderly in small towns around WI was relatively easy. So that would explain it.

  • @ella3162
    @ella3162 4 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    When you can't hear his accent because you're from Wisconsin and have the same accent 😂

    • @pamelaanneshowers
      @pamelaanneshowers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Does he have an accent?!? No way! 😄

    • @cheeveka3
      @cheeveka3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can hear his accent and I am from Wisconsin he sounds very country 🤣😂

    • @stevejennifernichols9391
      @stevejennifernichols9391 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂

  • @scherbertdan
    @scherbertdan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +322

    I was on a boat in Hawaii coming back from snorkeling talking to a guy from Minnesota about walleyes.. the whole boat was tuned into our conversation. Not because it was fascinating but because we sounded like Fargo 2.: lederhosen edition

  • @CLASSICCOKEMAN3
    @CLASSICCOKEMAN3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +410

    i can confirm the wisconsin accent because i live here

    • @WordzMcgee
      @WordzMcgee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      GGaming lol I don’t have one. I’m From Madison!!!

    • @EcoSpeeder
      @EcoSpeeder 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ...Eye will take you on your word ya

    • @kyles280
      @kyles280 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m in Grafton!

    • @EcoSpeeder
      @EcoSpeeder 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@kyles280 West Allis

    • @griffinjohnson6387
      @griffinjohnson6387 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@WordzMcgee Madison gang!

  • @Jm45789
    @Jm45789 5 ปีที่แล้ว +458

    I was so unconvinced I had an accent until I went to college and I was like "ahhhh jeeeez" but then I figured out how to make my accent more neutral. But it comes out whenever I talk to friends and family back home 🙈

    • @phishtrader7744
      @phishtrader7744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I find my accent comes out more after I've had a few.

    • @janevoelker2386
      @janevoelker2386 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Going to visit family is like supercharging my accent XD XD

    • @96Logan
      @96Logan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      After I spend a deer season with my grandpa and family friends, my online buddies can't recognize my voice when I get on discord the next week.

    • @MrRedberd
      @MrRedberd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You sound more like Morty

    • @MrRedberd
      @MrRedberd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @K lake Is it because the sentence ends with the word there, 9/10 times? (also followed by eh, once you've earned our trust)

  • @jjtherrian
    @jjtherrian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I always denied the Wisconsin accent until I was in northern Minnesota for work and was asked if I was from Canada.... 🤦

  • @yaoibabe
    @yaoibabe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    "A voice... For print"
    That's like having a face... That sound be on radio lol

    • @ferretyluv
      @ferretyluv ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s… that’s the joke. “A face for radio and a voice for print.”

  • @jffry890
    @jffry890 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I live in Menasha and the accent he's performing is a yooper accent.

  • @morgenbrady6216
    @morgenbrady6216 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    "Ope!" And "Oh well hey there bud!" 2 of my favs
    Love from Madison, WI

  • @the.reel.mccoy.
    @the.reel.mccoy. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Anyone else notice an increase of "Opes" and "S'cuse me" usage due to the Holiday season?

    • @keeghanburk7906
      @keeghanburk7906 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's cause there's a whole lotta more people in da way, don'tcha know?

  • @Kingoftehill
    @Kingoftehill 4 ปีที่แล้ว +196

    I live in Neenah, Wisconsin. I can tell you there’s probably 6 different accents across the state.

    • @shelizabeth25
      @shelizabeth25 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I’m from Neenah, too! 😯

    • @malmquistestates2507
      @malmquistestates2507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep.

    • @yadayada1495
      @yadayada1495 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You don't live far away from me😂

    • @billynitrus
      @billynitrus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      idk about that, how would u divide the regional accents up? I noticed people near dubuque/platteville even in small towns had less noticeable accents than most people further up north

    • @oreodragon7979
      @oreodragon7979 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      As a Wisconsinite myself I can second this

  • @djcowell91
    @djcowell91 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I'm a Yooper that went to college in the Los Angeles area. I didn't realize I had an accent until one day in a physics lab, we had to make estimates and verify how close we were. After talking to my lab partner and then taking a break, other groups kept coming over and asking me for my estimates. Then they got more precise in asking me to say Aboot. (about...) We were all lucky to finish our work that day as it turned into "Doug say ______" for at least the last hour of that day. I've tried to shake it ever since, but if anyone plays anything from Da Yoopers, I can slip back in immediately!

    • @MrRedberd
      @MrRedberd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      LOL, I had a chemistry lab partner that moved to Michigan from LA. I played him a "Californians" sketch from SNL. He got upset and said he didn't talk like that, while talking like that, lol. Could be worse, brother...

    • @ariabritton9669
      @ariabritton9669 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Californian's have an accent that makes every other sentence a question. that's partly why i stay here in michigan

  • @danakaybrenner8415
    @danakaybrenner8415 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I was in Wal-Mart this week and literally heard a lady say, “Tell your folks I says Hi!!” Totally cracked me up.

  • @jamnkats
    @jamnkats 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    My daughter was raised in Mexico, on the Caribbean. We moved to MN almost 4 years ago. Just the other day, "I'm just gonna squeeze by you" popped out of her mouth. We are doomed. :)

  • @sorantheskysky1394
    @sorantheskysky1394 4 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    You can always tell if someones lives in Wisconsin or not by the way they say Wisconsin

    • @reneetherese1963
      @reneetherese1963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Used to work with a born and raised Texan and she said Wess-con-sin accent on the first syllable. I loved it!

    • @Lombreee
      @Lombreee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Truth!

    • @ThePalFishCoach
      @ThePalFishCoach 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      YES OMG!

    • @res1dentcyn1c
      @res1dentcyn1c 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Wis can sin?

    • @ediegal1009
      @ediegal1009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@res1dentcyn1c Hi. The sound is kind of like a soft WH (as in whisper), Scon sin

  • @petercrowl9467
    @petercrowl9467 5 ปีที่แล้ว +189

    When we moved to California from Milwaukee people would politely ask if we were Canadian.
    Canadian? Apparently they couldn't hear the difference between Eh? and Hey!.

    • @thevduber
      @thevduber 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      real question is why would you leave Milwaukee for any other place

    • @lillian3852
      @lillian3852 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I’m the opposite I moved from California to Wisconsin lol

    • @annahelander2881
      @annahelander2881 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Milwaukee - pronounced Mwaakee.

    • @malmquistestates2507
      @malmquistestates2507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@annahelander2881 Yep.

    • @Benmarley99
      @Benmarley99 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Andrej wouldn’t *

  • @leonineKelter
    @leonineKelter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    The first time i realized i had an accent was when I posted a video with my voice in it and someone was like “r u Canadian” and I’m like no? And they commented the next day “you’re from Wisconsin, aren’t you?”

  • @kristenlee5428
    @kristenlee5428 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    No one calls me out on my accent until I say the word “Wisconsin” I guess the middle vowel hangs up in my nose too long. 🤪

  • @kennythedirteater9367
    @kennythedirteater9367 4 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    I thought that everyone said “Ope” when they said sorry, but I am now just realizing from this comment section, we are unique ~_~

    • @brown_eyed1
      @brown_eyed1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And that unique is quite charming I must say. ♥️

    • @amytarvin2776
      @amytarvin2776 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      When my daughter and I heard about the “ope” thing, we were so confused...until we realized we were saying it but had never noticed! Never knew it was regional. We are in Nebraska!

    • @Scofari
      @Scofari 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I didn't even realize that I say it until I watched "ope school"

    • @Pr0fessorScience
      @Pr0fessorScience 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I say "ope" and I'm a New Yorker. None of my family members or friends are from the Midwest. I have no explanation for this.

    • @ruedelta
      @ruedelta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Pr0fessorScience First confirmed COVID-like spread of ope?

  • @Chris-qk1np
    @Chris-qk1np 5 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    I realized I have a midwestern accent when I watched Fargo.

    • @darthbane8
      @darthbane8 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Chris it was supposed to be a serious movie but I laughed through the whole movie! They nailed it!

    • @CharlieBerens
      @CharlieBerens  5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      the heck yes really got me in that movie

    • @hopemccoy
      @hopemccoy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I have family up nort' in Minnesoooda... cripes, dat accent is strong up dere. HOT DISH not casserole.

    • @jic1
      @jic1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@darthbane8 I think it was always supposed to be darkly comic.

    • @heididecker-maurer4582
      @heididecker-maurer4582 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hopemccoy Haht dish.

  • @melrose8213
    @melrose8213 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I’m from Wisconsin but the very, very bottom. Literally 400 steps away from the Illinois border. But anytime I go somewhere outside of the proximity of my state, people say they can hear the accent. It gets inside of you. Feeds on you. Until one day, you mutter you’re first “aye?”. I wasn’t even born here. I’m from Chicago but moved here as a child. The accent grasp is STRONG.

    • @stephencappelen4219
      @stephencappelen4219 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kenosha has three Wisconsin accents in the city, North, South and West side

    • @MrRedberd
      @MrRedberd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's ok, it means you no harm.

    • @tamarastone141
      @tamarastone141 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm from Chicago but ive never really noticed an accent when i come up to Wisconsin. What's funny to me is that people say we have an accent and i just don't hear it! 🤣

  • @EJofLA
    @EJofLA 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Like most accents, the Wisconsin accent is adorable! What is wrong with having an accent? Shows you've gotten away from where you grew up. That's an accomplishment. And if it's a foreign accent, shows you learned a new language. Even more impressive. We all have accents if we move from where we grew up. And I don't like to think one's better than the other.

    • @moonlitee
      @moonlitee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The further north in wisconsin you go, the worse it gets. I have a hard time trying to understand those in the south of wisconsin since its like we speak a different language lol.

    • @EJofLA
      @EJofLA 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@moonlitee I see- well that could be a problem lol.

  • @MellyMae44
    @MellyMae44 5 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    One of my 1st trips to Mexico, on the last day (you know, killing time at the resort beach until you catch your flight), I was having a conversation with a couple who were doing the same, and we commented on each other's accents. I didn't really think I had one, and neither did they. So I asked them where they thought I was from. Wisconsin, bingo! They got me. But I also correctly guessed they were from Dallas - I nailed them right down to their actual city. We all think we sound normal, until we travel, and then reality points out how wrong we are.

    • @greenlilac32
      @greenlilac32 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Linguistically speaking, everyone has an accent. It's impossible to not have one. If you consider an accent "neutral", that probably means that's the one that is considered proper, standard or correct. Doesn't mean it is, it's a completely socially given idea and has no real standing. I'm Californian and speak in what's called Standard American dialect, the one you hear in the news or in most movies etc. Most people with it would say we don't have an accent but you do, you just don't realize it or identify it as one.
      I'm a linguist xd
      I study languages, dialects and accents being a part of that lol

    • @eaglelove00
      @eaglelove00 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@greenlilac32 I’m from SoCal and I concur. Where do you think, or learnt, the ‘standard accent’ comes from? Obviously accents on the east coast/Midwest came from settlers from different countries. How/where did it change for the lower west (AZ, CA, NV) who seem to have that ‘standard dialect’? Do we know?

    • @potatobird52
      @potatobird52 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eaglelove00 it was probably the isolationism, the West being an essentially separate identity formed by settlers from all over the East.
      To have a sort of common culture, they likely connected in school and sort of settled on an agreed common accent that the kids took to easily regardless of how their parents spoke, whether knowingly or not I can’t say.
      So yeah, my though is that it was likely the result of attempting to mediate their inherent speech differences.
      But what do I know? I’m just an Italian-Mexican teenager from Italy that immigrated to the US (Colorado) and then moved to Pennsylvania. All I really know for sure is that I have an Italian accent in my Spanish, an American accent in my Italian, and my English is just interesting. According to friends and teachers, I don’t speak like an American. My English is like California English (never even been close to California in my entire life haha) but I utilize words and phrases that are technically correct to use, but that most people wouldn’t normally use.
      For example, where most people would say “subway” for the high speed trains used for public transport, I say “metro” which is common in Europe, including the UK, and it’s apparently these minute differences that make my English sound… not accented, but weird to native speakers.
      That, and I also move my hands A LOT when talking, but that’s a different factor altogether.

    • @eaglelove00
      @eaglelove00 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@potatobird52 how interesting. My grandparents were from Italy and my father was east coast. My mother from TX. I’m born and raised in California. It is interesting how much your speech is reliant on outside factors. Thanks for sharing your experiences. I talk with my hands a lot… that Italian is strong in me 😂😂

    • @potatobird52
      @potatobird52 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eaglelove00 can’t fight the hand genes haha
      Cool to hear! I always thought southern accents were awesome, but to be honest I have yet to hear one in person. Does your mom still have an accent (assuming she had one to begin with) or has she lost it in California?

  • @mattconway8900
    @mattconway8900 4 ปีที่แล้ว +357

    I'm from Minnesõta
    I can't hear his accent

    • @nekkobat6876
      @nekkobat6876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      oh yer from minnie sota der ey?

    • @mattconway8900
      @mattconway8900 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@nekkobat6876 yä bud

    • @peterhaslam2294
      @peterhaslam2294 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😂

    • @phillipstai7204
      @phillipstai7204 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      OH! Yer from Minnesoda der, bud? Wouldn'tcha know it, I am as well! Say hi to yer mom and dad for me, okay?

    • @frankthetank3083
      @frankthetank3083 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same

  • @matthewpalmeri8578
    @matthewpalmeri8578 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    He honestly sounds really Wisconsinite when he isn’t actually trying to do it lol

  • @donh5755
    @donh5755 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I live in Green Bay & here we speak with a "Packer" accent!!

  • @348loadedlever3
    @348loadedlever3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Charlie has the manitowoc accent but he tends to exaggerate it a bit for humor

  • @trentonheyn413
    @trentonheyn413 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I live in Wisconsin and I always thought I sounded the same as everyone but apparently it’s noticeable

    • @sarahdee374
      @sarahdee374 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      well, yah dere ya sound the same... as everyone else in Wisconsin!

    • @honolulublues5548
      @honolulublues5548 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Everybody has an accent. Even standard English that is considered to be accentless has an accent as you can tell they aren't from your neck of the woods.

  • @wiscofun3028
    @wiscofun3028 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I didn't watch this vid, I'm waiting for the manuscript to be published.

    • @teresah4972
      @teresah4972 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      WiscoFun,
      😂🤣😂
      Charlie will laugh at this if he sees the comment; I think! 💕

  • @TMKT08
    @TMKT08 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yep... I'm from NZ and after living and working in Wisconsin I came home with an exotic Green Bay accent!

  • @weirdfantasy00
    @weirdfantasy00 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The smile/grimace he does afterwards lmao

  • @ewill3435
    @ewill3435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    With half my family from Michigan and the other half from Missouri, I've got an amazingly bastardized accent; "Ope soory bud, I ain't see yall there".

  • @MrScottbot101
    @MrScottbot101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    The “stop and go lights” thing makes me laugh, because I grew up in the southwestern part of Wisconsin, and I never them called that until I moved to the southeastern part of the state. We always called them stoplights.

    • @MrRedberd
      @MrRedberd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What else would you call the red ones? The "stop and go lights" must be the blinking ones.

    • @katydidiy
      @katydidiy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Uffda!

    • @Deej496
      @Deej496 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@katydidiy Giggled out loud!....

    • @jocelyneke6445
      @jocelyneke6445 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@katydidiy oops!

    • @bakerboat4572
      @bakerboat4572 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@katydidiy Or is it 'Oofta'?

  • @sonyakim4403
    @sonyakim4403 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I am from the West Coast and live in Wisconsin now and YES, it is a real thing 🤣 I think it’s an adorable accent.

    • @dbnd2240
      @dbnd2240 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree!

  • @minx54801
    @minx54801 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've been in Canada, Hawaii, Alaska, west coast & east coast of the U.S. They all nailed my Wisconsin "accent"...that I don't have!!! lol Ope...sorry!!!

    • @minx54801
      @minx54801 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      and ya....I'm born & bred up Nort Wisconsin....about 80 miles south of Superior...we fight more with the Mn mud ducks than FIB's!!! lol

  • @wonderorsupergirl
    @wonderorsupergirl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I found out I have a WI accent when I went to college in Iowa and my roommates let me know. It has gotten a lot better but still slips out when I am tired.

    • @ancientsalt4291
      @ancientsalt4291 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same for me, tired, or irritated. Thats when it really comes out.

  • @michaelcahill1450
    @michaelcahill1450 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I had just graduated high school and was spending some time on the east coast. Somehow everyone knew I was from Wisconsin and I was in denial about my accent

  • @1frostycat
    @1frostycat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’m from SOUTHWEST WISCONSIN... about 15 years ago I was doing a training class for farmers in the thumb of Michigan... lower Michigan... after I was done teaching for a few hours more than one farmer cane up to me and asked if I was from the U.P. Of Michigan... I was line WHAT!!!! Do I sound that bad????

  • @mookyyzed2216
    @mookyyzed2216 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Gina Della from Pella commercial says it all. That's the most Wisconsin accent I've ever heard.

  • @mr.gentlezombie8709
    @mr.gentlezombie8709 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would watch the news more frequently if the anchors talked like 1:03

  • @grahamturner97
    @grahamturner97 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    You may think you have lost your accent, but you haven't: I left rural Sussex, in SE England, nearly 50 years ago, but when I go to visit my cousins, who still live in my home village, I drop straight into the accent, I can't help it. My maths teacher was from the north of England, he loved my village accent: if he asked me a question I knew that the answer either ended in 9 or 5 because he liked to hear me say 'noine' or 'foive',

    • @katydidiy
      @katydidiy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Math not maths! 😎

    • @slook7094
      @slook7094 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That always gets me too. I don't think of myself as having an accent (I'm from the East Coast) but if I ever have to say 9 or 5 then it comes out as "nahn" or "fahv."

  • @saphireleine
    @saphireleine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    First time I knew mine was heavy was when I went to Florida for school and got asked if I was from Canada all the time

  • @snowboarddan5899
    @snowboarddan5899 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This is more of the upper north Wisconsin

  • @cat.nova74
    @cat.nova74 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm from Louisiana, but I can relate to this humor, just with a different accent. So funny!

  • @Doc_Tar
    @Doc_Tar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's like watching "Fargo" with people not from the Upper Midwest and wondering what they're all laughing at so hard.

  • @whipchick90
    @whipchick90 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I didn't know I had an accent at all until we moved from Madison, WI to CO, almost two years ago. The thing is, I don't sound all twangy or say my words that way. The only people in WI that talk somewhat that way are rural people, for the most part. Most of us didn't grow up out in the country!

    • @pegmarinello3188
      @pegmarinello3188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hold up... most of Wisconsin is rural

    • @honolulublues5548
      @honolulublues5548 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And even so, you still have an accent. You just didn't know it. Sure, the more rural northern regions is stronger, but even cities like Milwaukee and Madison have one.

    • @MR-or6yv
      @MR-or6yv ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pegmarinello3188 not by population. And that particular (exagerated) accent is more from areas where there were large numbers of Scandinavians. The people who are more Germanic sound different. I have lived in the state (north central and then southeastern) my whole life and I consider that sort of accent to be associated with much smaller, rural, communities. Some things are the same ("bayg" and "ope," but no one I have ever really been around says "dat" or "dere." That sounds more yooper to me.

  • @nsglgg
    @nsglgg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Lived in Wisconsin for most of my life then moved to Ohio and was laughed at for more than a couple words I say in a strong Wisconsin accent. Not even being able to identify which ones is the worst. I know pretty much anything with the long ‘a’ sound and ‘o’. Also saying ‘oop’ when you almost bump into someone. Can’t even train yourself not to.

    • @jsalas171
      @jsalas171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's spelled ope

    • @101jir
      @101jir 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "Bubbler" is pretty specific to Wisconsin. We don't say that in Minnesota.

  • @colonelgraff9198
    @colonelgraff9198 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Bubblers
    Cheeseheads
    Cribbage

    • @nekkobat6876
      @nekkobat6876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ope
      bean bag toss
      stop-and-go light
      raaaanch

    • @iksnihcpok5987
      @iksnihcpok5987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Baaaag

    • @colonelgraff9198
      @colonelgraff9198 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      (G)

    • @kokonakokoma
      @kokonakokoma 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sodie pop. Ya dare hey. Go ahead and ask for a drinking fountain and watch for the blank stares.... ah yeah, do u mean the bubbler? 😂😆

  • @huntrusso
    @huntrusso 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You never realize you have one until someone calls you out on it. Now it’s more than obvious to me

  • @daisied1907
    @daisied1907 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My Mom's entire family came from Wisconsin (after falling off der boat from der olden coumtry), and I can honestly say that Mom and both her sister's died speaking with that Wisconsin accent. One sister ended up in Idaho, one in New Jersey, and one here in Indiana.
    The Wolverine accent held true and strong.
    Listening to Charlie is music to my ears.
    Keep er movin der guy! Love ya!!!!

  • @bendia77
    @bendia77 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "voice for print"! You should trademark that line.

  • @PirateEnthusiast
    @PirateEnthusiast 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Been in Wisconsin my whole life and never heard anyone call it a stop and go light. Lol usually just call it the light. "At the light, turn left" or whatever. Either the light or the stop light.

  • @blooberry856
    @blooberry856 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Canadians and wisconsin talking aboot how they are so similar
    Minnesotan (Canada Jr.): 😢 am I chop lutefisk to you!?

  • @Maxgogeta
    @Maxgogeta 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I was born and raised in Wisconsin, and yet people say that I have a British accent.

    • @total-rando
      @total-rando 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Most people suck at identifying accents!

    • @tgbluewolf
      @tgbluewolf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had someone once ask if I'm from Ireland--I've never even visited! I think it was because I picked up a little bit of my mom's (light) Boston accent and they were just really bad at identifying it lol

    • @MrRedberd
      @MrRedberd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can hear it

  • @lyndaconrad4549
    @lyndaconrad4549 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    We were at Disney World many years ago and the guy checking us in at the hotel asked if I was from Wisconsin - I said close, Michigan

  • @laurenmccauley599
    @laurenmccauley599 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Met my husband on fb. He is from Washington state, and the first time we talked on the phone he was like "oh my, you have a Chicago accent" Then we both became yoopers, and the rest is history.

  • @jdcunnington
    @jdcunnington 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My kids told me, a "Milwaukeean" (26 years here!), that I have an Illinois accent (Yes, I was born a FIB). I said, "Oh, really? How do you know?"
    My daughter says to me, "You say 'whiz-CAHN-sin'."
    My son says to me, "We say 'wuh-SCON-sin'."
    And yes, I say "Milwaukee", not "Mi'waukee".
    One question - is it Pee-waukee or Peh-waukee?
    And don't forget to put the accent on the first syllable of Berlin.

    • @johnperrigo6474
      @johnperrigo6474 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's Pee WAU kee. Don't ask me why it's not Peh waukee.

    • @jdcunnington
      @jdcunnington 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnperrigo6474 Right? After all, it's Mi'waukee. So why not Pi'waukee?

    • @reneetherese1963
      @reneetherese1963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well it's actually pronounced Muh-WAU-kee. The Muh is very important. 😆

    • @katydidiy
      @katydidiy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      During WWI my town, LaCrosse, got so pissed at Germany, they changed Berlin St to Liberty St.

    • @jdcunnington
      @jdcunnington 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@katydidiy - Of course Berlin St. in Waupaca got pronouncd BER-lin as well. It's County E heading down to Poy Sippi.

  • @primitivedaisy
    @primitivedaisy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Oh ya, ya, dat dare is a Wisconsin accent, dontcha know. 😉

    • @Takezhu88
      @Takezhu88 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ay that is from North Wisconsin

    • @nekkobat6876
      @nekkobat6876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can’t believe I completely understood and read this in the accent in my head

    • @pegmarinello3188
      @pegmarinello3188 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Um...we don't say donchano. That may be upper penninsula Michigan

  • @travisclark-smith3952
    @travisclark-smith3952 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I moved to Wisconsin from Iowa 7 months ago (but grew up in Kansas) and apparently I've already picked up the accent.

  • @anthonylemkendorf3114
    @anthonylemkendorf3114 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If ya like yur Doctor ya can keep ya Doctor ? Jeez what a nice Prezident 😂😂😂

  • @korinneguthrie
    @korinneguthrie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I didn't think I had one until college. My dorm was a mix of Ohioans from all over the state and the 3 of us from the south were immediately grouped together since we don't pronounce the "g" at the end of an "ing" word. None of us realized it until that day.

  • @wolfbournethefirst5055
    @wolfbournethefirst5055 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’m from the south and I can usually hide my accent pretty well until another person from the south talks to me then I just go right back to the voice.

  • @hopemccoy
    @hopemccoy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I don't have an accent, you do!

    • @CharlieBerens
      @CharlieBerens  5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      hey dats my line

    • @hopemccoy
      @hopemccoy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CharlieBerens when we moved to Georgia from Wisconsin I seriously needed an interpreter! I got teased for saying pop and bubbler for years!

    • @marcilk7534
      @marcilk7534 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hope Smith Polk It’s interesting you said both pop and bubbler. Bubbler I thought was centered in Milwaukee, which also says soda. I grew up in Beloit saying pop and drinking fountain. I had to switch to saying soda when I moved to Milwaukee so I didn’t have to keep repeating myself when ordering. Never did get used to bubbler though.

  • @pinkfreud62
    @pinkfreud62 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ohio here. Back in the 90's, we met a new apartment neighbor from WI and yea, he def had an accent. Although we call soda "pop", he almost called it soder, lol.

  • @roseeppers717
    @roseeppers717 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Do a rip about the bumpy Wisconsin roads in spite of high taxes

    • @MrRedberd
      @MrRedberd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nah, look across the lake

  • @nickirmen6671
    @nickirmen6671 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I vacation in Wisconsin and every year we see another family that lived their whole lives there and funny enough they have a son my age named Nick, I played pool with him a couple times but I must say watching shows like Letterkenny has helped me understand their regional dialect

  • @harper225588
    @harper225588 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your stand up is fantastic!!! I only ever seen your skits, never your stand up this was a treat

  • @MicahRion
    @MicahRion 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I so appreciate that this video has captions!!

  • @darthbane8
    @darthbane8 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I’m sure everyone who moved away has the same experience. I did when I moved to sunny Cali. I got teased a lot. They would say, “are you from the Midwest because you have an accent?” I would reply, “oh heck no der guy I don’t have one, dont cha know!” I’ve lost most of it except when I talk to family back home or watch your videos der guy! Great bit!

    • @CharlieBerens
      @CharlieBerens  5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      haha once beers come out it's game over for me

    • @danielgriffin8311
      @danielgriffin8311 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You don't even have to go that far. Heck, even my michigander cousins give me a hard time for my accent.

    • @eanschaan9392
      @eanschaan9392 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ja. The accent doesn't really go East. It continues West through Minnesota and North Dakota though.

  • @LillybethLilyLeah
    @LillybethLilyLeah 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The breath you took before taking on the accent😂😂

  • @Kthxbye988
    @Kthxbye988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lol!! I had no idea too until I was 21 and moved to Phoenix. I still do it at times 10+years later and 3000 miles away. Especially when drunk 🤣

  • @hayleygullett
    @hayleygullett 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the captions!

  • @ReneeStevens98
    @ReneeStevens98 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lol! Do another on the grocery store!! I.e. Milk, soda, etc.

  • @mcr5truther
    @mcr5truther 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To be honest, I had no idea saying ope was just a midwestern thing. Now that I think about it, I do have a small accent.

  • @yodhin79
    @yodhin79 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I watched this video but I didn’t hear an accent. Then I remembered I grew up in Wisconsin and still love here.

  • @lucytroester8438
    @lucytroester8438 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I live in South Central (right by Madison) WI and I kind of have a Wisconsin accent, but I don’t at the same time.

  • @jackmandu
    @jackmandu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I was in San Diego talking to a lady and she asks me, “Are you from St. Paul, Minn?” I said “No, why?” She said ”You sound just like my sister-in-law.” I said, “Huh, that’s weird because from I’m from Apple Valley, that’s like 20 miles southwest of St. Paul.”

    • @ericl8743
      @ericl8743 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My grandmother and aunt live in Rosemount. Small world eh

    • @lucygoose6237
      @lucygoose6237 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You mean 20 minutes, right?

    • @jackmandu
      @jackmandu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lucygoose6237 - Yes, yes I do. 😂

  • @nekkobat6876
    @nekkobat6876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My accent gets more intense when I go back to my hometown for a bit and then fades when I go back to college 😂

  • @wideawake5630
    @wideawake5630 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just discovered you and I'm binging at 3 a m in Northern Mi. What a hoot!

  • @averagejoey2000
    @averagejoey2000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    a voice for print, a face for radio.

  • @elle678
    @elle678 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I LOVE the Wisconsin accent! I get denying an accent tho hahaha I'm Australian but I pretty much REFUSE to watch Australians on tv because we just sound sooooo dumb when not in person hahaha

    • @MrRedberd
      @MrRedberd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm a Midwestern American, but I can't get enough of OzzyManReviews. Women are Sheila's to me, now.

    • @elle678
      @elle678 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrRedberd lmao love that

  • @saphireleine
    @saphireleine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The northern version is a bit different. More drawn out vowels and less nasally.

  • @unlikewise4512
    @unlikewise4512 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    From southern wi so we don't have much of an accent, just thought it's funny how we're literally the only state to have a bubbler.

  • @eanschaan9392
    @eanschaan9392 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I feel weirdly at home in this comment section.

  • @91badgerfan
    @91badgerfan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know your pain. Every time I go out of state! Never knew we had an accent till i went to Florida.

    • @christinearmington
      @christinearmington 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Southern Born Northern Raised #yeahFlorida

  • @mandysosnoski2034
    @mandysosnoski2034 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I’m from Michigan where we have a similar accent but it’s s stop light! Go Packers.

    • @daviddow5591
      @daviddow5591 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yoopers are typically the ones with accents. Most other parts of Michigan aren't like that.

    • @mandysosnoski2034
      @mandysosnoski2034 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      David Dow I’m a native Michigander, we have distinct nasally accents

    • @DemetriosLevi
      @DemetriosLevi 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@daviddow5591 yoopers have more than an accent, they have a freaking dialect lol but we also have accents. My friend talked to some people from Oregon and they knew she was from Michigan because her accent gave it away

    • @daviddow5591
      @daviddow5591 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I too am a Native Michigander. I don't have any friends from outside of Michigan, so maybe I just don't notice the accent.

    • @luvdolphins07
      @luvdolphins07 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stop and go for sure. You don't just stop there!!

  • @64imma
    @64imma 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was born in wisconsin and lived in wisconsin until I was 4. I lived 20 years of my life growing up in another state. I never thought there was anything different about how I talked tbh, until one day a girl in high school asked me to say "I have a bag of magazines in my wagon". I was so confused about why she found this sentence so amusing for me to say, until I realized that, despite living in a completely different Midwestern state with a different accent, this was like the one major part of the wisconsin accent I had unknowingly retained. I have a very soft wisconsin accent even though I now live in wisconsin again. I sometimes catch myself talking with a stronger accent, that even to me, sounds obnoxiously stereotypical.

  • @patrickh6579
    @patrickh6579 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Our family moved to NY when I was 2 and my wife brings my Wisconsin accent to my attention whenever I have two tree beers! I'm 59 for cripes sake!!
    (She's from Scranton and can't point fingers.)