Pyro damage is great until you encounter an pyro immune enemy 😔. I want to ask you - why do you need 3 more slots for characters in the team? Why even take a character against opponents against whom he works worse?
Same can be said for Klee as well since her high Pyro application makes her more of an effective mono elemental carry rather than one that relies solely on reactions like Diluc or Hu Tao.
Physical is super reliable, nothing is immune to it However the increasing number of high phys res enemies is crippling, hence why Eula numbers are comically massive
@@RaffoPhantom They still take damage. Geo and Cryo shielding takes extra damage from heavy attacks like claymores even. Their physical resistance is just nuts. But nothing in this game pops up an "IMMUNE" text when you hit it with physical damage. If it's immune to physical, it's immune to everything.
I used a physical Zhongli build for most of the game. Pretty great, because he does quite a lotta damage and he barely takes any due to his shield. Are there better builds/physical units? Sure. Was it fun, though? Hell yeah.
Ayyy another physical Zhongli enjoyer :D He's by far one of my favorite units, especially paired with Beidou since his normals proc her burst pretty well
I was hoping you'd give everyone's favorite Gothicc Nun at least a mention. She's an amazing physical support, she's Cryo, so that's half of the equation, her C6 is just monstrous, on top of her talents to share her own crit rate with her team.
Between becoming a physical damage chad because of what a buff Yun Jin is to physical and especially Zhongli, and Rosaria's new skin so she doesn't look like she just got done dumpster diving, she's become a fixture on my team wheras before I wouldn't even consider using her.
I would agree with this, i think she is more of a make or break unit for physical teams then practically anybody else, although Zhongli can be huge too. Yun Jin can be pinnacle, the biggest piece for making normal attacks shine, but you need to shred high resistances first in most cases before worrying about how much damage you can amplifying for normal attacks.
Defense stat reduces dmg on all sources not just physical, so idk what you mean by that. Raiden c2 reduces Defense for a reason, not electro resistance.
im ar57 and have mained razor since day 1, triple crowned and everything. to be honest, the way people measure viability isn't everything if you invest enough in a character. razor is still my most consistent damage dealer and definitely the character i have the most fun playing. dont let anyone stop you from following your physical dps dreams
I love Vars and its definitely not just him but the way people use the word "Viability" in Genshin seriously needs to change. People use it like anything that is not top tier "isn't viable" and it loses its meaning. I think some might use it as a means to try to be more polite about units being weaker, but then that by accident has knock on effect it likely makes newer players believe many characters ACTUALLY aren't "Viable" when they absolutely are for any of the hardest content in the game.
Ar 56 Razor main 🐺 I think physical damage is great for players who don’t want to or don’t have the time and resources to build lots of characters for different situations. Razor is always in my team because no matter the enemy he’ll carry the whole team (except the damn pyro shields 😵)
Samee! AR 57 Razor main since launch. As of today I have many other dps built, but I have to say that somehow Razor is keeping up with them in many occasions lol, I love his playstyle and I took him to the abyss many many times and got good results even in 12-3 (light spender but 4* weapon) Razor best wolf
Ar 58 and main Razor since day 1 i got him, don't care anything about him being not really good at this game, i love him (triple crown, sobp, and descent artifacts). Able to do 36 with him every single rotation from 1.4 with him really is something. Just build him good and be good, every character is playable no matter what.
eula teams can have up to 105% physical resistance shred so mechs and vishaps are jokes to her too. Eula, elctro, rosaria C6 and Zhongli is my go to team for her and nothing can stop her.
@@sernolstic4981 Mechs have 70% Physical Resistance and 10% Every Element Resistance That means your Eula with Zhongli and C6 Rosaria drops 17.5% Physical Resistance of Mechs While a Hutao with Zhongli and 4pc VV Sucrose drops 25% Pyro Resistance of Mechs Edit: I only counted the Resistance shred after reaching 0% Resistance of Enemy, Not Total
I am not sure if this is actually going to be the case, but I feel like when Natlan is added and maybe if the rumors of an "unarmed" form of combat being added... they'll have to have expanded on the Physical DMG side of the combat by that time due to this "martial arts/brawling" style of weapons and combat will be heavily banked on it.
@bird is pretty sure that the pyro archon will be catalyst but brawler at the same time with boost up with her magic with a catalyst for burning state and special attack animation for brawling close-quarter like they made special attack for Klee, just imagine like black clover anime~
Chongyun's pretty close to a Shatter DPS unit, aside from EM scaling as he scales ATK (which is not bad at all). You'll need Xingqiu on SacSword to pull it off tho
thatd actually be a very interesting character to play with. But unfortunately shatter doesnt really add anything to the damage so unless hoyoverse changes/buffs shatter reactions there wont be any reason in doing so.
As someone who’s mained Razor since the beginning and he’s still my most consistent damage dealer. Physical needs a buff or rework. There’s a reason superconduct decreases physical resistance by 40%. It’s also why I’ll fight that Rosaria is Razor’s best support character. Especially at high constellations
It might sound weird, but how about Gorou+Yun Jin? From my experience, Razor's biggest problem was his high mobility, like you have to place Chonyung's circle (or Rosaria's burst), Bennet's burst, in my case Jean's burst and stay there, while razor's attacks throw enemies back with each elemental reaction. On the other hand, buffs of Gorou and Yun Jin stay with you wherever you go (and you get perma shield from Gorou and find usage to Yun Jin's strange talent buffing team with different visions). I haven't checked the numbers, but on paper it sounds good.
@@misteltein3420 ironically enough I’m currently working on building my Yun Jin(C6) and had planned on her being in the team. Razor, Bennett, Yun Jin, Rosaria. While typically yes mobility is an issue, dropping everyone’s bursts usually allows Razor to kill anything within that area especially with Rosaria’s crit rate buff and the additional 20% phys res decrease from C6. Another weird thing I’ve found is Razor has a hard attack speed cap or moreso his attack animations cap at a certain percentage which I can’t remember. So even if I kept stacking atk speed buffs, there was a point where it stopped working which made me sad I couldn’t get razor to attack faster than some sword users with a claymore. But I haven’t mained him in the overworld in a year so most issues I don’t have, I mainly use my phys deeps team for certain domains or bosses when I’m saying to hell with it
Eula saved my account, i didn´t know better in the beginning and mained yanfei, at some point it got unplayable because i haven´t been able to farm domains effectively
I generally pair her withy Physical Keqing for Super conducts. And then they're both monsters once enemies have been super conducted, and Eula's Physical Res debuff has been applied.
The reliability of physical units is honestly their biggest strength. For example, when a new area is released with an unknown enemy or mechanic, I always bring Eula for quickly cutting down enemies without having to switch to an elemental damage character. The fact that her raw damage is so damn high also helps in that regard.
Or just being Pyro, Hydro, and Anemo. Only thing that kinda sucks would be hydro shields but it's open world so you can burn grass to break it quicker I doubt something would be immune to 2 elements (maybe high res and that's what the Anemo is for)
@@cole716 You naturally should have ~4 well built characters atleast if your doing abyss + all the anemo needs is 4p VV so it's only really 2 well built characters
@@Oxygen1004 Those 4 or so built characters vary wildly. It’s be a shame if you usually run mono electro with a couple other built supports and you explore Inazuma with it.
I main Eula an I love her gameplay, sometimes I have troubles dealing with the Wooden Mitachurls or Machines (though Fischl can help with that), but overall is a lot of fun to play with her
Raiden/Eula is very fun indeed, Eula's high energy ult makes an even better pair for raiden to build chakra very fast, even if it's always full for me cus of my habit of spamming benny bursts.
Very interesting video for me. I am proud Eula main since her first appearance in the game and I still haven't heard any real argument against the physical type of damage.
it also doesn't help that in recent updates Hoyo has been more and more pushing toward elemental scaling for enemies way more than physical, Abyss Lectors/Heralds and the Black Serpent Knights are an example of this, especially the Lectors and Heralds which practically need you to bring the correct counter element to properly fight their 2nd phase, lest you waste time doing chip damage on their massive elemental shield while they whack you with damage and their debuffs. it also doesn't help that Hoyo keeps making more and more machine enemies as late Abyss stages which have natural physical damage resistance, unless you're someone named c6 Eula with R5 Pines, it's just not viable to do late Abyss with pure physical anymore, at least not when you're a veteran have other options in elemental DPS
You're dead wrong on the last point , eula is still very valuable even with the mech enemies with just her self she got 25% shred slap ger with any electro ( i prefer raiden) and u got 65% , add c6 rosaria for 3 reason 1 crit rate boost 2 cryo battery 3 at c6 u get 20% shred by now you already removed the whole physical resistance of all mech type because the have 70%
The thing here is, Eula is still viable, she has never been not viable, she can still be used. But that's where it ends, she isn't optimal anymore, because most, if not all her supports ironically out DPS her. Taser (Beidou and Fischl) out damages her, I don't think I need to explain why Raiden out damages her what with Rational and Hypercarry, even c6 Rosaria of all people, has a stellar Reverse Melt team that does more damage per second than Eula's teams. It's saddening, but Eula's supports out perform her when put in their optimal teams, which isn't with her.
The fact that there are only two truly dedicated physical damage dealer should tell you how little hoyo cares about physical damage. I could see Dendro potentially having a new reaction that increases physical damage of characters, preferably not with cryo or electro. Hydro + Dendro = Vigor maybe?
They're just probably waiting until they get to collab with honkai again so this time they could add in the Herrscher of Sentience as a physical """""""support""""""" again
@@griffionwyvrus9063 Xinyan is a good physical dps, but she's not viable because of her element, she's Pyro, if she was Cryo or Electro would be much better
@@griffionwyvrus9063 I mean Xinyan kinda sucks because of her element/kit, her pyro application makes it really hard to play into her kit while also using superconduct
Xinyan is a physical dps too. And even if she doesn´t superconduct because she´s pyro, she can both boost phys damage by 15%, and reduce phys res by 15%. And most of her damage is physical, so yes she´s a physical dps.
I think a good way to increase viability of Physical DMG is to make "Shatter" scale off of Physical Damage Bonus, that would make it a good way to synergize Physical DPS characters into a team, One Cryo, one Electro, One Hydro, and a support that shields/Heals and that's all you need for a very strong team, maybe it would only be beneficial to Claymore Physical users, but in all honesty, Claymore characters are the ones with the best Normal Attack scaling so they are the best choice to make Physical DPS.
The fact that physical DPS characters are mostly claymore users take into account facing elemental shielded units. Heavy attacks without elemental buffs can be a lifesaver for nooblets like me who didn't bother with them at first. Although saying that, it makes me nervously guess as to what happens with the meta should they keep adding in physically resistant foes like vishaps.
shred their resistance, C6 rosaria and zhongli is gonna be your friend. I use Ei, Rosaria, zhong and Eula and vishaps are useless lol. Same goes with shielded and mechs
and even worse than that, flying enemies or enemies with dubius hitboxes like the elemental spirit thingies and the wolves, they wiggle all over the place and attacks that should hit them, instead miss
Well technically not just claymore users. But it is what it is. Of course eula is cracked to compensate heavy resistance to physical. But you can still run razor and destroy everything.
I think we need more physical characters with physical elemental skill and burst so the characters can focus on physical damage without westing skill and burst on low elemental damage.
I don't think that is a good idea unless those physical damage abilities applied an element. It would even make it worse because you'd need to bring not 1, but 2 characters just for the sake of superconduct. Part if the reason why Razor and Eula work as physical dps is that they bring one of those elements. Besides, that "low damage" is not even that bad.
All three dedicated physical characters have skill/bursts that either deals physical damage or improves it in someway. Razor's burst increases atk speed, increase interrupt resistance and does electro damage that's a percent of his normal attacks (thus allowing you to spec into his physical damage without worrying about the loss in Electro dmg), Xinyan's shield improves physical damage and her burst does physical damage, and Eula's skill and burst deal physical damage and her skill decreases enemy's cryo and physical resistances.
@@crashsparrow6943 Initial cast is cryo or electro then followed by sustained physical damage, could be fun. It would probably feel really odd at first though.
physical already does solid damage to shields. it's not as fast as using the correct counter element but it is noticeable damage just like geo and anemo are not best to shred shields but work on all shields.
The problem is that this wouldn't help physical characters in any way, because people would just take their usual elemental teams, do a few normal attacks once they get their shield up and then they would instantly die
When they added Raiden to the game, it was indirect buff to Eula. More or less, the best buffs Hoyoverse could give are probably indirect buffs. Maybe a physical resistance shredder, etc. But for now, really there isn't much other than superconduct. What do you think when Dendro comes out? Will there be reactions that increase Phys dmg??
eula + raiden comp is only a slight improvement to eula teams. rotations have to be extremely tight in order to match the typical beidou and fischl combo with eula. so its not rlly huge at all
@@phorealthistime6165 it's not really a slight improvement because raiden gives almost constant superconduct and elemental burst dmg which increases eula's hold e DMG and ult DMG
I’ve been using Eula since her rerun in 2.3. With Fischl, Beidou, and Diona she was strong. But now I’ve since pulled both Raiden, and Zhongli. And instead of Beidou and Fischl I use those two and HOLY moly the damage increase. It’s beyond stupid. I can fairly consistently hit 200k+ bursts with a 53/190 ratio for CR/CD on serpent spine R1. Couldn’t even touch those numbers with Beidou and Fischl
raiden by herself is miles better, eula + raiden forces you to make longer rotations than 30 seconds which is not optimal and its just way better to use raiden as the sole dps
8:59 There are weapons that give Elemental Damage Bonus if I understand correctly, swords include Mistsplitter Reforged and Haran Geppaku Futsu, catalysts include Kagura's Verity if 3 stacks are possessed.
@@Amelia_Starlight But I don't think it matters if it's a secondary stat or not, in fact, the Mistsplitter Reforged gives you a total of 80% Elemental damage bonus when it reaches max stacks at R5, even R1 gives 40%, with 44.1% Crit damage. While Broken pines' Physical damage locked at 20.7%, as a secondary stat.
@@aarondong8540 I'm just saying that's probably what he meant. But yes, effect scaling is better than secondary stat in this case as effect scaling increases with refinement. Lost Prayer is another weapon with Crit as 2nd stat and elemental damage bonus as an effect.
exactly we need more older bearded super tank characters. I'd love to see Jean's Uncle Gunnhildr as well as Varkas, just because he was shown to wield a Shield and i want actual physical shield characters so bad. why can only the fucking Mitachurls can have shields
When i hear about Vision Hunt in Inadzuma i was hoping we will get some old badass samurai, who slice things with pure steel. Now i don't know if Mihoyo ever get such ideal setup to make phys dmg character
Great video. Mistsplitter gives you an Elemental damage bonus and I believe Ayato's weapon does as well. That's part of why those weapons are both so good since those bonuses scale better than ATK%
He means their substat....plenty of weapons give elemental dmg bonus from thier passive such as iron sting, haran, mitsplitter, lost prayer, skyward etc. He means the main stat of a weapon....which no weapon has elemental dmg bonus and will never have.
3:40 this is not exactly true, this is only assuming the target has 40 resist and goes to 0 afterwards I think you may have also done the math wrong, going from 0 to -40 is actually just simply 40% more damage Though with resist going below 0, it's actually half as effective so -40 on 0 actually goes to -20 for 20% more damage The main thing you want from resist reduction is decreasing high resist, like a -25 on 75 resist is doubled damage Ultimately the thing about Phys builds is that it's extremely efficient on the low end, notably Crescent Pike is an insane weapon
8:58 If you're talking about as a sub-stats, yes currently, that don't exist. However, what exist are weapon passives that do offer Elemental % DMG Bonus increase. I am pretty sure mihoyo will release an "Elemental" Sword/Catalyst/Bow/Claymore/Polearm that offer Elemental % DMG increase as a secondary stat. Since it already exist as a passive bonus on some weapons. The only reason why they've not done so for a release yet, is because there aren't enough characters exist to take advantage of such weapons. We only have Ayaka, Ayato, Keqing, Hu Tao, Chongyun, Noelle, and Yoimiya that can maintain Elemental infusion to their attacks. Releasing just a "Elemental" Catalyst weapon wouldn't make much sense if they can't also do it for the other weapon type as a series. 4 Sword, 1 Spear, 3 Claymore, 1 Bow character are not enough for such weapon to exist, yet. Edit: I purposely forgot about Bennet C6, but I actually forgot about Itto.
0:52 "it's the very last metric added to damage calculation" the position of the elemental reaction damage in the calculation makes no difference (because it is multiplicative of percentile of damage). (keep in mind any damage bonus stat is multiplicative and not additive like flat attack)
Razor was my best character until itto came still I knew he had issues but all of his issues are coming from him being physical I say and stand by it that razor have the best kit in the entire game it all fall together to do the job that he was designed to do perfectly
@@HavocRant Well he is a 4 star so he hit as a 4 star as for his burst since he can get energy so fast you can't swap from it whenever you like to other characters to reapply the buffs without loosing much damage unlike characters like Xiao and itto , I'm sure if he was a 5 star mihoyo would have gave him more multipliers on his basic attacks and made his ult do something else in addition to increasing his attack speed
@@sakutaro3musik486 I don't think they mean best as in it is the ultimate damage dealer, but best as in Razor's abilities all do exactly what they are supposed to do perfectly. He is a very cohesive and easy to play unit because his kit is so well designed
In my opinion, physical attacks are intentionally designed to be weaker than elemental attacks since everyone can use them (non vision bearers such as NPCs).
yes, that's why character whose supposed to be physical like Eula is one of the best dps as for now. Her kit is literally for physical. No character other than Eula designed for physical, even there is no dedicated support for physical.
@@al.vin.y5040 with reactions probably since Eula heavily relies on phys dmg. But a very well invested Eula can outdamage other 4* since her lightfall sword is bonkers
I've never experienced using characters using elemental damage as main damage since my very first dps was razor and my main dps after him was eula and since then I've never changed my main dps I'm ar 55 and still using eula xd
I use physical Jean in the overworld since she is my favorite character and I just want to use her as much as I can. Ive never dared to take that build into abyss though.
For me, it just depends on the character. Eula is the most relevant because of her burst while Razor and Xinyan have fallen off completely. Their damage just can't compare to a 5* scaling. Xinyan is the most underrated, as she actually has much more utility than Razor and in a lot of cases out DPS' him. If people actually built Xinyan, they'd see she actually has quite a lot of uses still. Granted her best support build requires C2. Then there's Rosaria, who can out dps both Razor and Xinyan while having utility. Idk, physical is just in a weird spot and I dont see them ever changing it fundamentally. Just adding characters like Eula with crazy good scaling.
The problem with physical is that it’s locked with Electro and Cryo. What they should’ve done was have the reaction replace Geo’s shitty reaction instead. That way, Geo reactions will work with everyone besides anemo, making it so any physical dps unit can benefit from “superconduct”
I love xinyan, and use her a lot but she has so many problems that severely hurt her, her split scaling with def and phys, her pyro element and needing two open places for electro and cryo. I use her with benny and zhongli so i get the resonance, it rlly does help with imitating superconduct, i just find building her to be much harder cuz of the way her talents scale.
How I would buff physical damage is I would have some of the weapons like the snow tombed star silver and dragon spine spear passive apply an instance of cryo/electro. The scaling wouldn't be high to balance it out, but if this were to happen it could eliminate some of the problems of having to dedicate both a cryo and electro unit to only having to commit to one or the other.
We need physical traveler, keeps the current event's parry as a skill, and burst boosts crit rate and damage by 30%, physical damage by 45%, and physical resistance shredding by 10% each hit, for the maximum of 5 hits
Parry as a skill might not be a permanent addition to the game since it blocks out the ability to use Geo reactions, which Mihiyo commented on themselves as a way to use a stepping stone and for a certain reason. Also they already left a message only to be accessible by going around the normal way of entering the location, which they did publicly talk about somewhere online as well. I know that I commented somewhere else on another video exactly what Mihiyo said and more information about the message. What I said about it is last piece of the information, for those trying to scavenge hunt around trying to find out more information about the game; minus the few bits that we found out about the traveler which is making us personally not really use him at all. Placing all of the information in one spot is definitely a bad idea since it might make players question the traveler as a whole.
There are a lot of characters that can be made into viable physical damage dealers. Eula, Razor, Xinyan, Fischl, Kaeya, Rosaria, Yunjin, and even Zhongli. Zhongli doesnt even need superconduct since he has his own built in res shred.
When he used Guy and Lee as examples .. i subbed right a way .. Guy made my life changed after he open his eight gate, no one is born weak, we born with a monster inside us ❤
physical damage needs proper support, elemental damage has 1- melt/vape amplifiers 2- Elemental mastery 3-Kazuha, shenhe, C6 bennet 4- freeze, vape, melt etc geo and electro were also a bit behind but got a fix by introducing specialized supports "sara and gorou", physical damage needs mainly units that specialize in amplifying physical damage, Eula stays competitive as a main dps because of her amazing scaling, but her QOL is so bad because she doesnt have a support that is tailor made for her, same goes for razor, two things physical damage needs 1- QOL supports 2- damage amplification supports, they have none of that.. Eula is an amazing unit, but she has to make due with makeshift supports, Raiden does a lot for her, but Raiden is an amazing unit in her own right, she makes all units better.
U forgot any electro other than raiden? What about fischl literally and 4 star and maybe even yae if u have her but if u dont have yae and raiden u have the option of fischl or anyone that apply electro but if i have to choose a character that the best support i got for raiden but ye
@@mafuyu5637 yeah, as i said, makeshift supports. they work because we want super conduct, but VV shred does what super conduct does, which is a bit of a joke really. i main Eula, she is amazing, but she needs better support option, even one good physical damage support can help by a lot.
There are plenty of physical supports too ya know :/ Like xinyan, superconduct, zhongli shield. Besides we can already do so much damage with Eula so do we really need more supports to break this game more? I have a c0 eula with r2 STSS and she's a beast
Honestly i really agree with your take on the last part of your vid. As much as i love the game, it feels like hoyoverse isnt taking the initiatives to make it even greater than it already is. Sure game developing is a lot harder than it is thought of, especially for an open world game, but we are practically talking about the same game that has rack up over millions, if not billions of dollars in just one year.
Instead of hyperfocusing on superconduct hoyoverse could make a physical damage based hydro claymore character with a dedicated artifact set that increases shatter damage. They could even make it a sword character who has a passive like kokomi which turns it's attacks into heavy attacks to trigger shatter.
I started this game as a Razor main and though he doesn't see as much use, he still holds a special place for me. I love his theme, his aesthetic and he is just fun to play for me. Eula and Razor are two of my favorite characters in the whole game, and I look forward to continually improving them and seeing physical dmg evolve.
The problem I have with Physical right now is that a lot of the boss monster resist them heavily, we can see this in the previous few abyss where boss have ton of HP and high resistance while against mob it is also not great cuz you rely on NA and they have low range.Tthe only top tier physical character, Eula, her burst is powerful and have decent range but very high cd so she is in a very awkward situation overall Without full on physical reduction team like Rosaria C6, Zhongli, superconduct etc your dmg is reduced significantly compared to reaction element making C0 Eula having really tough time, I have to reset many more times to get max star compared to other team. Also the fact that Eula is the only competitive physical character make it a pain investing on physical team and set, as much as I love her as a character she is just like Hu Tao, the queen of caveat, at least at C0. Razor C6 is only about the same level as Keqing C0 and we know her power level isn't competitive anymore. My fav physical team is Eula and Raiden but my raiden is now C2 and she deal just as much damage as my Eula without buff so at that point rational or hyper would be much more powerful, electro MC is better at battery single character but he deal no damage at all and he didn't add anything other than battery.
I'll mention this everytime phys dmg comes up; playing Fischl with a physical focused build in my early ARs helped me immensely to get through the game (didn't get a 5* until i was like AR50), for like 3 months. She still serves in my party after 10 months tho i built her kinda hybrid dmg, so she can still help out where my main elements are weak
Qiqi technically counts as a physical healer. Reasons: Her skill do not produce any particles Her skill heals everyone more efficiently when she's on field Her constellation 2 focuses on her normal and charge attack Her healing is scaled on her attack And finally Ocean Hued Clam deal physical damage
Fuck man, electro is meant to be a damage overtime in a deep Bob Adepero reaction not meant to be a primary damage dweller physical. If that meant to be a primary damage type critical is meant to be what you do in between your cold out at all when you’re waiting.
as a eula main, i've always ignored elemental reactions (excluding super conduct). I find elemental reactions hard to play. why would i spend so much time farming artifacts for 3 character when i can jsut farm for one and be done with it. Just drop a bird or cast an eye, switch to eula and deal dmg.
Probably because you are leaving a lot of damage on the table. For the 10 seconds of downtime after your Burst you are doing a lot less damage than if you had, say, a Raiden Shogun built doing her damage for those other 10 seconds (plus helping reduce Eula's energy needs).
One thing that always tripped me up when I started playing Genshin was the fact that Elemental damage could crit. In Honkai Impact, physical damage was the only element that could crit. In return, element damage bypassed defense. Further into Honkai's lifespan, methods kept coming out that further increased element damage called vulnerability and breach. It was ironically balanced in a way that made any element come out completely viable because there were so many teammates and equipment that made them viable. IMO Genshin kind of screwed the pooch by deviating so much from Honkai's formula. Yeah sure, it gave Genshin it's own identity, but it made it run into so many problems in it's first year of being out. Units become power crept in like two months after they come out unless they are absolutely monsters. Four stars that come out are near completely useless compared to their five star counter parts. It's honestly just kind of sad.
I recently been building my Xinyan and honestly it's the most fun i have had with a 4* character in a long time. She also made collecting thousands of ores in the chasm a breeze.
Thanks to my physical damage Jean I was able to clear floor 11 with 9 stars for the first time, i know she was COPIUM but it was really fun to used her as a main DPS, i really hope that in the future she can be a better physical DPS or, if by any chance, mihoyo introduces a character that can infuse anemo damage to attacks like chongyun for cryo or bennet C6 for pyro.
My Eula can hit for 22k~ per hit with a snow tombed after one elemental reaction for the duration of the super conduct debuff. Imagine any elemental dps that can do the same WITHOUT needing to constantly re up on reactions and CD and energy issues. You could say ganyu but she needs to charge up attacks first so it’s a certain special place for physical dps that they can hit so hard with just one occasional proc of an aoe reaction. I can’t wait to see another eula. The only downside is they have to be either cryo or electro of course.
@@miko-kk5bw but you need to set up another pyro character In the right order AND the reaction resets the element so you have to do it again. Also charge attacks take longer to fire than a few NA. I’m saying that they’re on par with each other
@@MarcAlcatraz That also applies to eula's superconduct. Also c4 xiangling and her gouba which always applies pyro? With bennet she'll have her burst up every time. Also charged attacks only takes about 2 seconds, 120k+ per 2 seconds is better than 44k per 2 seconds imo
@@miko-kk5bw All characters have different playstyles, Eula is utilized for Burst,Elemental skill,Na+superconduct and Ganyu on the other hand to maximize her damage is just about melt and charge attack. So stop bragging your favorite character here, the context is about physical shenanigans
@@karpzzz7990 We arent talking about gameplays here, its about damage output. Also who said that Ganyu is my favorite character lol?(I main beidou) I have both Eula and Ganyu and both hit hard so I am talking from experience here
I think Fischl as a normal attack unit is a very interesting study in this, you can learn all about this just by playing her: Now i don't want to be that JEEEN guy you made fun but i'll start out by asking what is "viable"? With that Razor team you showed and Fischl in his place you can legitimately 36* with Slingshot R5, a 3* Weapon everyone has access to, moderately good (not incredible) artifacts, and with good play have plenty of time left over. However you can still play her as a normal attacker in a electro/elemental focused team, and typically speaking once everything is setup, good synergies, it just goes far easier in some cases to the point it almost feels like a joke, between electro charged, swirl damage, potentially overload, and everything else. The rub is, and don't know why, physical just appeals to some people, outside of Eula/Razor/Xinyan its not how anybody recommends playing characters but there is something just nice about it that may not appeal to all, but definitely appeals to a few, myself included. Its probably meant as the "starter" damage but that simple ability to just deal up front damage, your character themselves appearing to dish it out, not some magic, no "tricks", raw muscle, its just cool.
as someone who over-invested in eula, i can 36* abyss without superconduct or any other source of phys shred. her elemental skill shred is already broken enough
@@glowtz overinvest allowed me to 36* without proper support/bringing electro for superconduct, meaning u can 36* with wayy less investment if u bring proper team comp
Physical DMG has always been my favorite DMG type and I would love to see more units dedicated to it. However the reliance on Superconduct is too extreme in my opinion. If Shatter could be an amplifying reaction like Melt that would be a really welcome change, because Shatter is more detrimental than beneficial as it currently is.
Great video! One thing to think about in terms of supports for off element physical carries. Cryo hosts two of the best bennett substitutes in the game with diona and shenhe with particularly diona seeing an incredibly similar amount of play to bennett. Electro gives access to another bennett replacement in kujou sara as well as four of the best supports in the game with beidou, yae miko, fishcl and raiden shogun, all of whom are capable of applying electro while off field which is particularly beneficial for a physical damage team since they typically have no true downtime so not having to go through full rotations is really good. Compared to hydro or pyro the sheer number of support options gives far greater versatility especially once you realize that a lot of teams end up running some combination of these characters on accident anyways.
Eula main here I’ll be honest and say that Hoyoverse is probably scared of Physical damage. It’s hard to balance them for a long list of reasons, but let me name a few Currently, there are about 8? Characters with viable physical builds. Which are: Eula, Razor, Xinyan, Xiangling, Zhongli, Keqing, Fischl and Rosaria. Does anyone else Notice some patterns? Physical damages are either: electro, Cryo, polearm or Xinyan. Why is that? Well, Cryo and electro are understandable. They are half of superconduct after all. Xinyan is the forgotten kid of physical damage sadly, and then there’s polearms. Literally no polearm character is designed for physical damage completely. Xiangling and Zhongli have nothing going for them in terms of physical, and Rosaria is half designed physical (with her constellations boosting atk speed) and half Cryo. However, none of these builds are used as much because there are better usages for them. If you’re wondering how units that have literally nothing for physical damage are still decent with it, I’ll present you the most neglected yet broken weapon of all time, Crescent Pike. Crescent pike is a broken weapon, since it adds damage to your attacks. This scales greatly with any fast attacker, and Xiangling and Zhongli have the best attacks for crescent pike out of all polearms. Multiple hits and fast attacks are all crescent pike needs, yet Mihoyo hasn’t released a character that can use it since Rosaria. However, Ever since Rosaria, polearm characters have slow hits that have only one multiplier. Look at Yunjin, Shenhe… beautiful animations, but slow af and they don’t have multiple hits. Hoyoverse is actively trying to avoid creating a physical polearm due to the sheer power of Crescent Pike. And I think that’s the thing holding physical back. It’s not that They’re ignoring it, they’re too scared of it. Physical being an op strategy would undermine elements. But this has a consequence that most physical oriented units feel shy. Physical’s play style has two key factors to it. You shred the enemies resistance to dust, and you get as much physical damage bonus as you can. Hoyoverse has succeeded in one of these aspects. Creating weapons with physical damage, giving pale flame and bloodstained 25% instead of 15%…but they fall short in many aspects. Why is it that Xinyan’s passive only gives 15% physical damage bonus, and it’s tied to her shield? Why is it that her C4, Rosaria’s C6 and Shenhe’s ult only reduce resistance by 12% or 15%? It’s funny how the most successful unit (Eula) reduces defense by 25% instead of the shy 15%. Razor has no way to reduce resistance on his own, which is part of the reason he has fallen off so hard. A physical support would be nice, but I doubt Hoyo wants to do it considering how broken it could be if not balanced correctly In the best case scenario, a ruin guard can end up with -30% physical resistance even if it has the highest of 70%. Superconduct’s 40% + Eula’s 25% + Rosaria C6’s 15% + Zhongli’s 20% = 100% physical resistance shred. That’s about the same if an elemental unit used VV since most units have 10% elemental resistance. The difference is that it’s in no way comparable when elemental damage dealers have reactions and better supports. On another note, I’d like if the physical support would be electro, since we already have a good physical support-ish in Rosaria. The best electro unit would be fischl, but she’s better suited for other teams. If this were true, then you wouldn’t need have an issue running an electro and a Cryo unit since if you’re a physical damage dealer you want Rosaria and this hypothetical electro unit regardless. This would allow the door for a hydro physical unit to be introduced, and maybe take advantage of Shatter and Freeze. Honestly there’s so much to say, and I’m fascinated by physical damage and it’s play style. It’s a shame Hoyo is scared of its potential and won’t truly design one unit except for Eula, but even she has her own caveats and issues.
@@LuZErTX Yeah. None of his talents or constellations reduce resistance. The only one is his C4 and its defense, so its not the same. Technically its better but it goes more with the fact that he's electro than he is physical (because electro characters have some talents that destroy defense [since electro has such a crisis of identity, it is one of the many things it does]. An example is Lisa's talent and Raiden's C2
Genshin impact 3.0 elemental resonances re-work 1 = base effect 2 = unconditional team buff 3 = element only buff Pyro 1. Affected by cryo for 25% less time. 2. +25% attack . 3. Pyro characters deal 15% more damage Cryo 1. Affected by electro for 25% less time. 2. +15% critical chance . 3. Cryo characters gain 10%Attack speed. Hydro 1. Affected by pyro for 25% less time. 2. +30% health points . 3. Hydro characters Incoming healing increased by 30% Electro 1. Affected by hydro for 25% less time. 2. +30% critical damage . 3. Electro characters Ignore 20% of enemies defense. Dendro 1. Affected by status effects for 25% less time 2. +120 elemental mastery . 3. Dendro characters gain 30% Increase elemental reaction damage. Geo 1. Increase resistance to interruption. 2. +45% defense . 3. Geo characters gain 50% Increase shield strength. Anemo 1. Reduce stamina consumption by 10%. 2. +30% energy recharge . 3. Anemo characters gain 20% Reduced cool down. 4 unique elements 1. Gain 40% resistance to all damage
@@AndresLionheart No shit it does more dmg, you're comparing a 6k+ burst multiplier to a 700% burst multiplier ofc its going to hit harder. That's like comparing Kaeya to Ayaka in burst dmg, both are still gonna be viable picks regardless. Doing more damage wasn't the point of my comment.
Seems like there might be a dedicated physical support soon and that's someone related to Eula in some way (Someone from Lawrence clan or in her team).
As someone who mained Razor and then got Eula as my first five star back in 1.6, I would say that physical damage is undoubtedly very good. As a new player, not having to worry about elemental reactions felt very nice, and I also loved how I could bring them to pretty much any boss or domain (just bring supports with the right element to break elemental shields) My physical carries helped me burn through so much of the early to mid game content. I am now AR57 and even though I have benched Razor, Eula still remains in my Abyss teams. With the Raiden Shogun, she's simply unstoppable.
My Rosaria has incredible physical damage with her constellation debuff, super conduct, and 169 physical bonus with dragon spine pole arm and artefacts. It's gets even more busted with Yun Jin ult for her auto attacks. And possibly boost with ayato ult. Such powerful and fast normals in almost a perma freeze.
Eula has been my first choice for second half for all abyss rotation since her release. I usually run her with Zhongli. Beidou, and a flex. You need to know enemies attack pattern and DPS window, once you do you'll do well against any enemies.
7:40 also Madara was barely trying and was laughing having the time of his life. He didnt even try to use Limbo clones because he wasnt scared of losing like he was against Naruto, as he is visibly worried and tries limbo clone immediately while running.
right now we only have physical damage dealers and not enough physical supports most supportive skills deal elemental damage except for healers with clam set eula has enough power to hard carry her team but razor and xinyan lack that power as for razor he doesn't need much ER since he has that covered so what team can he fit in right now the best team i can think of is razor C4 rosaria C6 zhongli C0 and yunjin C2 (or c6) to make him hard carry content in the game
I can fully agree on the reliability part. I always feel safe using my Eula team for any new content/unknown territories because I know she's gonna do a great job with every enemy (for elemental shields there's the rest of the team)
9:00 with ayato's release the new sword gives an all element damage bonus of 12% at R1which is pretty big. not to mention everything else the sword can do.
I would genuinely love if there was at least 1 physical damage focused character for every weapon type. Kinda breaks my heart that there are so many great normal attack animations from characters now and it's like "man would be cool if I got to actually see these super cool animations more often." At the very LEAST give more characters easy self-elemental infusions like Ayaka. Getting to rely on Eula's normals so often has legit been really refreshing lol. Especially since the animations are incredible and stylish.
as a Eula main, I'd really like to see an expansion of physical damage support. I picked Eula because I thought scaling vape and melt was boring (among other reasons) and I find it much more engaging to find ways to continually boost my damage and strip enemy resistances.
Since I played Eula in her story mission she's my most wanted character and the only character I'd be willing to whale for. Not just because she's physical but she's so much fun to play. And for vengeance of course.
i often play co op a lot and, as a geo traveler main, came to realize how much of a hindrance my geo construct could be. so i started building a physical/hybrid build with 2-piece bloodstained and pale flame, adjusting the goblet to either geo or physical depending on whether or not i'm in co op mode. then i found out about superconduct. with lisa and kaeya in my party they definitely help my lumine become the dps i want her to be frankly i've only just recently started experimenting with elemental reactions, particularly melt and overload. with how i play the game, melt isn't as effective or quick as overload so i mostly use explosions to deal the damages. but i still much prefer going slash and stab at enemies. so far the only troubles i'm getting is elemental shields... they're like five times more annoying now
As someone who's been maining kaeya sjnce the start of genshin, i do have to say he's really competent as a physical main! Right behind Ayaka he has one of the highest damage scalings for normal and charged attack and has the benefit of proccing superconduct because he's cryo. However i do hope that one day physical damage can get a dedicated buffer (i.e. similar to gorou for geo and shenhe for cryo) because i really want kaeya to shine 😩
My best team is my Eula team. I only got C0 and the craft able weapon but she hits like a truck. And I am not necessarily talking about her burst... the burst only matters for bosses or the abyss anyway as nothing else even lives long enough for it to go off in time. But that is a one off. For everyone else physical builds feel more like a early game phase. E.g. I had Fischl pretty early on and I played her physical as main dps for a long time but once you enter higher AR and get other units she becomes more valuable as a support. Today if I ever field her (*cough*Shogun*cough*) she is on field only for seconds, E or Q and off she is again. I guess in order to stay relevant they could add supports that specifically benefit physical DPS. Like a character that not only gives a shield or heals but also gives a buff for physical dmg. Either way I honestly do not expect another Eula to happen.
This video has gotten me thinking about physical units, and how we could make them viable, props to you, and I have a idea as to how, and I'm using the new blessing of the abyssal moon as a basis.....
Superconduct does not give a 66% damage bonus. That's not how resists in this game works; it gives ~28% instead for most mobs. Resistances for most monsters are 10% for elements they don't specifically resist/are weak to. In addition, resist debuffs are halved when you go below 0%. So, against a normal mob with a 10% Physical Resistance, what happens is that 10% of the resist debuff is used to get phys resist down to 0%. Then the remainder of the resist debuff (30%) is halved before being applied, resulting in the enemy having -15% physical resist in the end, or your attacks doing 115% damage. 115% / 90% - 1 = 27.77% extra damage. The only time phys shred/superconduct gives anywhere close to 66% is if you use it on physically resistant enemies, and that's only a subset of Genshin's enemies. Also, keep in mind that the physical unit herself can be (and oftentimes is, in Razor/Eula's case) cryo/electro, which necessitates only a single additional elemental support if you want superconduct. This affects a lot of your video's results. For instance, superconduct (and thus electro+cryo) is not any more "needed" than VV is needed for elemental damage dealers. Sure, 28% damage is nice to have, but it's nothing that a good buffer can't match. To add to this, good physical units can supply their own phys resist shred, like Eula who supplies 25% by herself. If you use Zhongli, he gives 20% shred. All of this cuts down superconduct's effectiveness even further since res shred stacks additively with eath other, not multiplicatively. Of course, superconduct is still good if you can get it, but it's not life and death like you describe in the video at all. Also, you are waaaay overinflating Eula's damage bonuses in that comparison with Raiden. First of all, Eula is never meant to get anywhere near the maximum stacks for her ult. Her best rotations generally put her at around 12-14 stacks (closer to 12 without attack speed buffs), which is around 2500-2800% multiplier at max level. Still high, sure, but nothing near the 6500%+ you quoted. In fact, her C6, whose only purpose is to let her get near this cap, is known to be one of the most busted (actually overpowered) C6s in the game. You can say that 2800% is really high, sure, but this isn't actually that exceptional in the game, either. Xingqiu's burst is expected to have a higher MV over its duration; Ganyu's burst about matches it if you can group at least two enemies together over its duration. Ayaka's ult stomps all over Eula's ult damage. The example you used, Raiden, also has more damage bonuses than Eula has (her E, ER to bonus damage, resolve); and her ult is not even considered very good damage until you have her actually OP C2, as opposed to Eula who leans pretty heavily on her ult for her main DPS status. Unlike Eula's constellations (her C1 contributing only the standard 10-15% that most other constellations give since it's additive with other % bonuses, and her C2 being just a QoL increase), Raiden's C2 is actually strong. It's definitely true that phys has higher multipliers than elemental damage, but the extend is not as drastic as you describe. Eula would actually not be that busted at all if she dealt electro damage instead Heck, she might not even be that broken if she did all cryo damage, given that setting up reactions on her ult would require too much setup to be practical.
Physical dmg is great until you encounter an elemental shield or a machine 😔
Physical damage is great esrly game, Razor helped me a lot as a beginner. Then the ruin guards and all the big mitachurls show up.
Pyro damage is great until you encounter an pyro immune enemy 😔. I want to ask you - why do you need 3 more slots for characters in the team? Why even take a character against opponents against whom he works worse?
For eula tho physical res is meaningless
Is it bad to use physical damage against a machine? I usually do that (mind you, I have a shield, so)
@@Jai137 nah, it’s not bad. It’s easy to shred physical resistance.
Xiao and Itto also dont really play around their elements, they just focus on raw dmg and highly rely on their multipliers.
None of the geo really care about reactions tho
@@РоманВорфоломеев-е7ы Yeah, Geo's like the second form of Physical for that reason. Silver -> Gold.
@@РоманВорфоломеев-е7ы yes true, Itto and Xiao are simply the hyper carries of their elements and make the best example.
Same can be said for Klee as well since her high Pyro application makes her more of an effective mono elemental carry rather than one that relies solely on reactions like Diluc or Hu Tao.
@@tnvmark2173 Klee would be so amazing if her burst stayed active when she's off-field.
Physical is super reliable, nothing is immune to it
However the increasing number of high phys res enemies is crippling, hence why Eula numbers are comically massive
Nothing is immune to physical damage? Have you tried going against enemies with elemental shields?
@@RaffoPhantom They still take damage. Geo and Cryo shielding takes extra damage from heavy attacks like claymores even. Their physical resistance is just nuts. But nothing in this game pops up an "IMMUNE" text when you hit it with physical damage. If it's immune to physical, it's immune to everything.
@@littleman6950 what a about a bounty hunt target?
@@creefernandes5077 those can be immune to anything, an exception, shouldn't apply to the argument
Except shield. I so f-ing hate it when stacks doesn't increase over shielded opp
I used a physical Zhongli build for most of the game. Pretty great, because he does quite a lotta damage and he barely takes any due to his shield. Are there better builds/physical units? Sure. Was it fun, though? Hell yeah.
That's also partially because crescent pike is absolutely absurd
A yes a Asmatheus wine enjoier the 4500 constant phisical damage theat zhongly can to is just spectacular
haha, same. I love my physical Zhongli. his autos are way too much fun and beautiful to not play him like that xD
Ayyy another physical Zhongli enjoyer :D He's by far one of my favorite units, especially paired with Beidou since his normals proc her burst pretty well
same, until I pulled Eula
I was hoping you'd give everyone's favorite Gothicc Nun at least a mention. She's an amazing physical support, she's Cryo, so that's half of the equation, her C6 is just monstrous, on top of her talents to share her own crit rate with her team.
I personally like to say that at C6 she supports herself in brrbrr Physical DMG. She’s also a great DPS with a full Pale Flame build.
Between becoming a physical damage chad because of what a buff Yun Jin is to physical and especially Zhongli, and Rosaria's new skin so she doesn't look like she just got done dumpster diving, she's become a fixture on my team wheras before I wouldn't even consider using her.
I played Rosaria as my main Physical DPS and well...Let's just say she hits like a truck.
I would agree with this, i think she is more of a make or break unit for physical teams then practically anybody else, although Zhongli can be huge too. Yun Jin can be pinnacle, the biggest piece for making normal attacks shine, but you need to shred high resistances first in most cases before worrying about how much damage you can amplifying for normal attacks.
Her left clicks aren't very strong, but she's a good support for eula or Razer
Eula: oh whats that? you have physical resistance? Thats cute anyways "vengeance will be mine"
As a Eula main, this made me 😂😂😂
*VENGANCE AQUIRED*
REALITY
Eula: Oh is that physical resistance? Pls someone help me from this machines
@@balritchengdshira625 not really i hitted 600k pma
It doesn’t help when the further you progress in genshin, the more you run into units with extremely high defence stats
Defense stat reduces dmg on all sources not just physical, so idk what you mean by that. Raiden c2 reduces Defense for a reason, not electro resistance.
@@sechishook4034 Bruh. Just use Lisa
@@sechishook4034 Raiden c2 IGNORES DEFENSE... not Reduces Defense.. stop misinforming others
When has that ever been a problem? The only place you should be having difficulty is the final floor of the spiral abyss.
Really? The only enemy I'm having problem with are ruin enemies their physical resistance are Killing me inside
im ar57 and have mained razor since day 1, triple crowned and everything. to be honest, the way people measure viability isn't everything if you invest enough in a character. razor is still my most consistent damage dealer and definitely the character i have the most fun playing. dont let anyone stop you from following your physical dps dreams
I love Vars and its definitely not just him but the way people use the word "Viability" in Genshin seriously needs to change. People use it like anything that is not top tier "isn't viable" and it loses its meaning. I think some might use it as a means to try to be more polite about units being weaker, but then that by accident has knock on effect it likely makes newer players believe many characters ACTUALLY aren't "Viable" when they absolutely are for any of the hardest content in the game.
clown, you and me, brothers in arms. hell yeah
Ar 56 Razor main 🐺 I think physical damage is great for players who don’t want to or don’t have the time and resources to build lots of characters for different situations. Razor is always in my team because no matter the enemy he’ll carry the whole team (except the damn pyro shields 😵)
Samee! AR 57 Razor main since launch. As of today I have many other dps built, but I have to say that somehow Razor is keeping up with them in many occasions lol, I love his playstyle and I took him to the abyss many many times and got good results even in 12-3 (light spender but 4* weapon) Razor best wolf
Ar 58 and main Razor since day 1 i got him, don't care anything about him being not really good at this game, i love him (triple crown, sobp, and descent artifacts). Able to do 36 with him every single rotation from 1.4 with him really is something. Just build him good and be good, every character is playable no matter what.
Eula: one shots andrius.
Also eula: slowly tickeling the vishaps and mechs to death
eula teams can have up to 105% physical resistance shred so mechs and vishaps are jokes to her too. Eula, elctro, rosaria C6 and Zhongli is my go to team for her and nothing can stop her.
@@sernolstic4981 Mechs have 70% Physical Resistance and 10% Every Element Resistance
That means your Eula with Zhongli and C6 Rosaria drops 17.5% Physical Resistance of Mechs
While a Hutao with Zhongli and 4pc VV Sucrose drops 25% Pyro Resistance of Mechs
Edit: I only counted the Resistance shred after reaching 0% Resistance of Enemy, Not Total
@@desertdust777 Eula E shred 20%, Zhongli E shred 20%, superconduct shred 40%. Total shred 80% phys res. Your math is missing.
@@desertdust777 where do 17.5% phys shred comes from 😭 even superconduct is 40%
Wdym? Eula destroys mechs
I am not sure if this is actually going to be the case, but I feel like when Natlan is added and maybe if the rumors of an "unarmed" form of combat being added... they'll have to have expanded on the Physical DMG side of the combat by that time due to this "martial arts/brawling" style of weapons and combat will be heavily banked on it.
well...those are just rumours and this doesnt seem to deivate much from its traditional nature so lets not get carried away.
It would be pretty cool if they made it similar to Honkai Impact's gauntlets where it focuses on combos.
@bird or they’re not going to do that at all and you are making a huge stretch rn
@@maraisfan4life517 not a huge stretch, I think. Childe's melee stance use pure hydro weapons. So a melee catalyst is possible
@bird is pretty sure that the pyro archon will be catalyst but brawler at the same time with boost up with her magic with a catalyst for burning state and special attack animation for brawling close-quarter like they made special attack for Klee, just imagine like black clover anime~
I really like the idea of a Hydro claymore physical dps that focusses on shatter and maybe gets some extra EM scaling on their other physical damage
Chongyun's pretty close to a Shatter DPS unit, aside from EM scaling as he scales ATK (which is not bad at all). You'll need Xingqiu on SacSword to pull it off tho
thatd actually be a very interesting character to play with. But unfortunately shatter doesnt really add anything to the damage so unless hoyoverse changes/buffs shatter reactions there wont be any reason in doing so.
As someone who’s mained Razor since the beginning and he’s still my most consistent damage dealer. Physical needs a buff or rework. There’s a reason superconduct decreases physical resistance by 40%. It’s also why I’ll fight that Rosaria is Razor’s best support character. Especially at high constellations
It might sound weird, but how about Gorou+Yun Jin? From my experience, Razor's biggest problem was his high mobility, like you have to place Chonyung's circle (or Rosaria's burst), Bennet's burst, in my case Jean's burst and stay there, while razor's attacks throw enemies back with each elemental reaction. On the other hand, buffs of Gorou and Yun Jin stay with you wherever you go (and you get perma shield from Gorou and find usage to Yun Jin's strange talent buffing team with different visions). I haven't checked the numbers, but on paper it sounds good.
its 40% not 60%
@@misteltein3420 ironically enough I’m currently working on building my Yun Jin(C6) and had planned on her being in the team. Razor, Bennett, Yun Jin, Rosaria. While typically yes mobility is an issue, dropping everyone’s bursts usually allows Razor to kill anything within that area especially with Rosaria’s crit rate buff and the additional 20% phys res decrease from C6. Another weird thing I’ve found is Razor has a hard attack speed cap or moreso his attack animations cap at a certain percentage which I can’t remember. So even if I kept stacking atk speed buffs, there was a point where it stopped working which made me sad I couldn’t get razor to attack faster than some sword users with a claymore. But I haven’t mained him in the overworld in a year so most issues I don’t have, I mainly use my phys deeps team for certain domains or bosses when I’m saying to hell with it
@@franklincastillo7257 whoops. Remembered wrong. Must have added Rosaria’s C6 in my brain without thinking to much about it when I typed it up
@@Ganjau Maybe that's the reason mihoyo reworked ayato. Or they are just lazy enough to try something new
Eula’s been my main dps since she came out so I’m always looking for units that complement her physical damage. We need more of them tbh
Eula saved my account, i didn´t know better in the beginning and mained yanfei, at some point it got unplayable because i haven´t been able to farm domains effectively
I generally pair her withy Physical Keqing for Super conducts. And then they're both monsters once enemies have been super conducted, and Eula's Physical Res debuff has been applied.
Raiden Shogun is a great pair for Eula. If you don't have her then Fischl is a good substitute.
@@henta.i.3838 yeah Raiden's usually my go-to if I'm not putting her in her own party for the abyss.
The reliability of physical units is honestly their biggest strength. For example, when a new area is released with an unknown enemy or mechanic, I always bring Eula for quickly cutting down enemies without having to switch to an elemental damage character. The fact that her raw damage is so damn high also helps in that regard.
Or just being Pyro, Hydro, and Anemo. Only thing that kinda sucks would be hydro shields but it's open world so you can burn grass to break it quicker
I doubt something would be immune to 2 elements (maybe high res and that's what the Anemo is for)
@@Oxygen1004 1 well built physical DPS. Is alot easier than three well built characters
@@cole716 You naturally should have ~4 well built characters atleast if your doing abyss + all the anemo needs is 4p VV so it's only really 2 well built characters
@@Oxygen1004 Those 4 or so built characters vary wildly. It’s be a shame if you usually run mono electro with a couple other built supports and you explore Inazuma with it.
I main Eula an I love her gameplay, sometimes I have troubles dealing with the Wooden Mitachurls or Machines (though Fischl can help with that), but overall is a lot of fun to play with her
I run her with Raiden so whenever I encounter a machine I usually just do a Raiden burst
Same, Raiden and Eula are a match made in heaven!
Raiden/Eula is very fun indeed, Eula's high energy ult makes an even better pair for raiden to build chakra very fast, even if it's always full for me cus of my habit of spamming benny bursts.
Get raiden + zhongli, your Eula is physical archon
@@radish6307 I have a Raiden, Zhongli, Qiqi team. Absolutely godly (get it) team
Very interesting video for me. I am proud Eula main since her first appearance in the game and I still haven't heard any real argument against the physical type of damage.
Since I'm someone who has mained physical for a long time I would love some more attention to this type of play!
it also doesn't help that in recent updates Hoyo has been more and more pushing toward elemental scaling for enemies way more than physical, Abyss Lectors/Heralds and the Black Serpent Knights are an example of this, especially the Lectors and Heralds which practically need you to bring the correct counter element to properly fight their 2nd phase, lest you waste time doing chip damage on their massive elemental shield while they whack you with damage and their debuffs.
it also doesn't help that Hoyo keeps making more and more machine enemies as late Abyss stages which have natural physical damage resistance, unless you're someone named c6 Eula with R5 Pines, it's just not viable to do late Abyss with pure physical anymore, at least not when you're a veteran have other options in elemental DPS
Youre profil pic is from where?:)
@@inos9 it's a sports anime called Keijo
The last paragraph just isn’t true, I’ve been using Eula in all my 36 star abyss runs with little issues.
You're dead wrong on the last point , eula is still very valuable even with the mech enemies with just her self she got 25% shred slap ger with any electro ( i prefer raiden) and u got 65% , add c6 rosaria for 3 reason 1 crit rate boost 2 cryo battery 3 at c6 u get 20% shred by now you already removed the whole physical resistance of all mech type because the have 70%
The thing here is, Eula is still viable, she has never been not viable, she can still be used.
But that's where it ends, she isn't optimal anymore, because most, if not all her supports ironically out DPS her. Taser (Beidou and Fischl) out damages her, I don't think I need to explain why Raiden out damages her what with Rational and Hypercarry, even c6 Rosaria of all people, has a stellar Reverse Melt team that does more damage per second than Eula's teams. It's saddening, but Eula's supports out perform her when put in their optimal teams, which isn't with her.
The fact that there are only two truly dedicated physical damage dealer should tell you how little hoyo cares about physical damage.
I could see Dendro potentially having a new reaction that increases physical damage of characters, preferably not with cryo or electro. Hydro + Dendro = Vigor maybe?
They're just probably waiting until they get to collab with honkai again so this time they could add in the Herrscher of Sentience as a physical """""""support""""""" again
Yup as expected you forgot Xinyan, whose kit is also for physical damage.
@@griffionwyvrus9063 Xinyan is a good physical dps, but she's not viable because of her element, she's Pyro, if she was Cryo or Electro would be much better
@@griffionwyvrus9063 I mean Xinyan kinda sucks because of her element/kit, her pyro application makes it really hard to play into her kit while also using superconduct
Xinyan is a physical dps too. And even if she doesn´t superconduct because she´s pyro, she can both boost phys damage by 15%, and reduce phys res by 15%. And most of her damage is physical, so yes she´s a physical dps.
I think a good way to increase viability of Physical DMG is to make "Shatter" scale off of Physical Damage Bonus, that would make it a good way to synergize Physical DPS characters into a team, One Cryo, one Electro, One Hydro, and a support that shields/Heals and that's all you need for a very strong team, maybe it would only be beneficial to Claymore Physical users, but in all honesty, Claymore characters are the ones with the best Normal Attack scaling so they are the best choice to make Physical DPS.
The fact that physical DPS characters are mostly claymore users take into account facing elemental shielded units. Heavy attacks without elemental buffs can be a lifesaver for nooblets like me who didn't bother with them at first. Although saying that, it makes me nervously guess as to what happens with the meta should they keep adding in physically resistant foes like vishaps.
shred their resistance, C6 rosaria and zhongli is gonna be your friend. I use Ei, Rosaria, zhong and Eula and vishaps are useless lol. Same goes with shielded and mechs
and even worse than that, flying enemies or enemies with dubius hitboxes like the elemental spirit thingies and the wolves, they wiggle all over the place and attacks that should hit them, instead miss
Well technically not just claymore users. But it is what it is. Of course eula is cracked to compensate heavy resistance to physical. But you can still run razor and destroy everything.
I think we need more physical characters with physical elemental skill and burst so the characters can focus on physical damage without westing skill and burst on low elemental damage.
I don't think that is a good idea unless those physical damage abilities applied an element. It would even make it worse because you'd need to bring not 1, but 2 characters just for the sake of superconduct. Part if the reason why Razor and Eula work as physical dps is that they bring one of those elements.
Besides, that "low damage" is not even that bad.
@@crashsparrow6943 and razor's skill does more than just dmg (and the dmg isn't even that bad)
All three dedicated physical characters have skill/bursts that either deals physical damage or improves it in someway. Razor's burst increases atk speed, increase interrupt resistance and does electro damage that's a percent of his normal attacks (thus allowing you to spec into his physical damage without worrying about the loss in Electro dmg), Xinyan's shield improves physical damage and her burst does physical damage, and Eula's skill and burst deal physical damage and her skill decreases enemy's cryo and physical resistances.
Dainsleif is 5* Physical Oz TRUST THE PLAN.
@@crashsparrow6943 Initial cast is cryo or electro then followed by sustained physical damage, could be fun. It would probably feel really odd at first though.
Hopefully one of the Dendro reactions buffs physical damage. It would make it possible for different characters to build physical.
If they changed lectors shields, so phy damage ignores the elemental shield, they would be pretty viable.
If physical damage ignored the shield, they would just die the moment they put it up.
@@azuarc Yeah, but they dont have any good counters right now.
physical already does solid damage to shields. it's not as fast as using the correct counter element but it is noticeable damage just like geo and anemo are not best to shred shields but work on all shields.
@@sernolstic4981 wait, I thought lectors (not mages) shields are completely immune to phys dmg?
The problem is that this wouldn't help physical characters in any way, because people would just take their usual elemental teams, do a few normal attacks once they get their shield up and then they would instantly die
When they added Raiden to the game, it was indirect buff to Eula.
More or less, the best buffs Hoyoverse could give are probably indirect buffs. Maybe a physical resistance shredder, etc. But for now, really there isn't much other than superconduct. What do you think when Dendro comes out? Will there be reactions that increase Phys dmg??
eula + raiden comp is only a slight improvement to eula teams. rotations have to be extremely tight in order to match the typical beidou and fischl combo with eula. so its not rlly huge at all
Rosaria c6 has phy res shred
@@phorealthistime6165 it's not really a slight improvement because raiden gives almost constant superconduct and elemental burst dmg which increases eula's hold e DMG and ult DMG
I’ve been using Eula since her rerun in 2.3. With Fischl, Beidou, and Diona she was strong. But now I’ve since pulled both Raiden, and Zhongli. And instead of Beidou and Fischl I use those two and HOLY moly the damage increase. It’s beyond stupid. I can fairly consistently hit 200k+ bursts with a 53/190 ratio for CR/CD on serpent spine R1. Couldn’t even touch those numbers with Beidou and Fischl
raiden by herself is miles better, eula + raiden forces you to make longer rotations than 30 seconds which is not optimal and its just way better to use raiden as the sole dps
8:59 There are weapons that give Elemental Damage Bonus if I understand correctly, swords include Mistsplitter Reforged and Haran Geppaku Futsu, catalysts include Kagura's Verity if 3 stacks are possessed.
I think he was referring to secondary stat and not effect.
@@Amelia_Starlight But I don't think it matters if it's a secondary stat or not, in fact, the Mistsplitter Reforged gives you a total of 80% Elemental damage bonus when it reaches max stacks at R5, even R1 gives 40%, with 44.1% Crit damage. While Broken pines' Physical damage locked at 20.7%, as a secondary stat.
@@aarondong8540 I'm just saying that's probably what he meant. But yes, effect scaling is better than secondary stat in this case as effect scaling increases with refinement. Lost Prayer is another weapon with Crit as 2nd stat and elemental damage bonus as an effect.
I’d love to see varka be an elementaless character wielding a great sword, preferably also look like rienhardt from over watch too
exactly we need more older bearded super tank characters. I'd love to see Jean's Uncle Gunnhildr as well as Varkas, just because he was shown to wield a Shield and i want actual physical shield characters so bad. why can only the fucking Mitachurls can have shields
@@SombreroGato you're an absolute genius
varka swing sword, varka strong
When i hear about Vision Hunt in Inadzuma i was hoping we will get some old badass samurai, who slice things with pure steel.
Now i don't know if Mihoyo ever get such ideal setup to make phys dmg character
Kazuha’s friend could’ve been that :(
we still have varka, the guy who left with most of the knights of favonius
@@Hゼロ then they itto'd him and make him have slim arms and be the first male to use a catalyst
@@Hゼロ varka will be a male catalyst user? Sounds silly right? Imagine male character weilding catalyst, seems kinda girlie
Great video. Mistsplitter gives you an Elemental damage bonus and I believe Ayato's weapon does as well. That's part of why those weapons are both so good since those bonuses scale better than ATK%
He means their substat....plenty of weapons give elemental dmg bonus from thier passive such as iron sting, haran, mitsplitter, lost prayer, skyward etc. He means the main stat of a weapon....which no weapon has elemental dmg bonus and will never have.
3:40 this is not exactly true, this is only assuming the target has 40 resist and goes to 0 afterwards
I think you may have also done the math wrong, going from 0 to -40 is actually just simply 40% more damage
Though with resist going below 0, it's actually half as effective so -40 on 0 actually goes to -20 for 20% more damage
The main thing you want from resist reduction is decreasing high resist, like a -25 on 75 resist is doubled damage
Ultimately the thing about Phys builds is that it's extremely efficient on the low end, notably Crescent Pike is an insane weapon
More people need to know about that mechanic of RES shredding
8:58 If you're talking about as a sub-stats, yes currently, that don't exist. However, what exist are weapon passives that do offer Elemental % DMG Bonus increase. I am pretty sure mihoyo will release an "Elemental" Sword/Catalyst/Bow/Claymore/Polearm that offer Elemental % DMG increase as a secondary stat. Since it already exist as a passive bonus on some weapons. The only reason why they've not done so for a release yet, is because there aren't enough characters exist to take advantage of such weapons. We only have Ayaka, Ayato, Keqing, Hu Tao, Chongyun, Noelle, and Yoimiya that can maintain Elemental infusion to their attacks. Releasing just a "Elemental" Catalyst weapon wouldn't make much sense if they can't also do it for the other weapon type as a series. 4 Sword, 1 Spear, 3 Claymore, 1 Bow character are not enough for such weapon to exist, yet.
Edit: I purposely forgot about Bennet C6, but I actually forgot about Itto.
Also Bennett and Itto too
"Razor has long faded from viability"
*Laughs, just laughs.*
0:52 "it's the very last metric added to damage calculation"
the position of the elemental reaction damage in the calculation makes no difference (because it is multiplicative of percentile of damage).
(keep in mind any damage bonus stat is multiplicative and not additive like flat attack)
Razor was my best character until itto came still I knew he had issues but all of his issues are coming from him being physical I say and stand by it that razor have the best kit in the entire game it all fall together to do the job that he was designed to do perfectly
The one thing I do wish was that his ult was a bit shorter and hit slightly harder to compensate
@@HavocRant
Well he is a 4 star so he hit as a 4 star as for his burst since he can get energy so fast you can't swap from it whenever you like to other characters to reapply the buffs without loosing much damage unlike characters like Xiao and itto , I'm sure if he was a 5 star mihoyo would have gave him more multipliers on his basic attacks and made his ult do something else in addition to increasing his attack speed
Omg razor and itto are my favorites and i just bought razor from the shop this is the best coincidence ever lmao
@@Nello_angelo do you know hot xiangling and XQ hit? Also fishl?
@@sakutaro3musik486 I don't think they mean best as in it is the ultimate damage dealer, but best as in Razor's abilities all do exactly what they are supposed to do perfectly. He is a very cohesive and easy to play unit because his kit is so well designed
In my opinion, physical attacks are intentionally designed to be weaker than elemental attacks since everyone can use them (non vision bearers such as NPCs).
yes, that's why character whose supposed to be physical like Eula is one of the best dps as for now. Her kit is literally for physical. No character other than Eula designed for physical, even there is no dedicated support for physical.
@@radish6307 rosaria borders on it but, yeah phys needs a dedicated support
@@radish6307 eula is trash dogwater, even 4 star units do more dps
@@al.vin.y5040 with reactions probably since Eula heavily relies on phys dmg. But a very well invested Eula can outdamage other 4* since her lightfall sword is bonkers
@@al.vin.y5040 the majority says otherwise, is this coming from personal experience?
Why do I get goosebumps on the part when eula's dancing while telling her constellations
Imagine playing a physical knight in a game where 97% of the Playable characters are mages.
I love your video how you just went on a recap on Naruto, great analysis.
I've never experienced using characters using elemental damage as main damage since my very first dps was razor and my main dps after him was eula and since then I've never changed my main dps
I'm ar 55 and still using eula xd
I use physical Jean in the overworld since she is my favorite character and I just want to use her as much as I can. Ive never dared to take that build into abyss though.
For me, it just depends on the character. Eula is the most relevant because of her burst while Razor and Xinyan have fallen off completely. Their damage just can't compare to a 5* scaling. Xinyan is the most underrated, as she actually has much more utility than Razor and in a lot of cases out DPS' him. If people actually built Xinyan, they'd see she actually has quite a lot of uses still. Granted her best support build requires C2.
Then there's Rosaria, who can out dps both Razor and Xinyan while having utility. Idk, physical is just in a weird spot and I dont see them ever changing it fundamentally. Just adding characters like Eula with crazy good scaling.
The problem with physical is that it’s locked with Electro and Cryo. What they should’ve done was have the reaction replace Geo’s shitty reaction instead. That way, Geo reactions will work with everyone besides anemo, making it so any physical dps unit can benefit from “superconduct”
I have literally never seen a Rosaria ever out damage Razor like what
@@TacticalDimples theres a reason cryo and electro character has basic attack stat higher than other character
I love xinyan, and use her a lot but she has so many problems that severely hurt her, her split scaling with def and phys, her pyro element and needing two open places for electro and cryo. I use her with benny and zhongli so i get the resonance, it rlly does help with imitating superconduct, i just find building her to be much harder cuz of the way her talents scale.
The one really good thing about Xinyan's base kit is that her burst utterly decimates cryo shields.
How I would buff physical damage is I would have some of the weapons like the snow tombed star silver and dragon spine spear passive apply an instance of cryo/electro. The scaling wouldn't be high to balance it out, but if this were to happen it could eliminate some of the problems of having to dedicate both a cryo and electro unit to only having to commit to one or the other.
We need physical traveler, keeps the current event's parry as a skill, and burst boosts crit rate and damage by 30%, physical damage by 45%, and physical resistance shredding by 10% each hit, for the maximum of 5 hits
Parry as a skill might not be a permanent addition to the game since it blocks out the ability to use Geo reactions, which Mihiyo commented on themselves as a way to use a stepping stone and for a certain reason. Also they already left a message only to be accessible by going around the normal way of entering the location, which they did publicly talk about somewhere online as well. I know that I commented somewhere else on another video exactly what Mihiyo said and more information about the message. What I said about it is last piece of the information, for those trying to scavenge hunt around trying to find out more information about the game; minus the few bits that we found out about the traveler which is making us personally not really use him at all. Placing all of the information in one spot is definitely a bad idea since it might make players question the traveler as a whole.
There are a lot of characters that can be made into viable physical damage dealers. Eula, Razor, Xinyan, Fischl, Kaeya, Rosaria, Yunjin, and even Zhongli. Zhongli doesnt even need superconduct since he has his own built in res shred.
"I know Jean has the option to go physical but no one uses her as their main carry anyways."
*Jake with a shotgun has entered the chat*
Physical xiangling with crescent pike carried me from the moment i first got her up to AR50+ when i got Hu Tao.
I want a visionless/pure physical character. That would be so interesting
they will probably bad tho ngl. they're gonna be so useless against enemies with an elemental shield. the idea actually sounds good tho
Dainsleif in the future XD
Unless Dain introduces a completely new element. A void element or smth
Hate to say it, but unless they inflated their stats to the moon and they had some truly disgusting numbers, they would absolutely suck.
@@loola8908 new element probably
When he used Guy and Lee as examples .. i subbed right a way ..
Guy made my life changed after he open his eight gate, no one is born weak, we born with a monster inside us ❤
I'm always surprised how few other people build Rosaria and Kaeya as physical DPS. I've had a blast with them.
Cryo Abyss Mages: You can't defeat me!
Ganyu: I know, but she can.
*Tango music intensifies as Eula breaks the shield*
physical damage needs proper support, elemental damage has 1- melt/vape amplifiers 2- Elemental mastery 3-Kazuha, shenhe, C6 bennet 4- freeze, vape, melt etc geo and electro were also a bit behind but got a fix by introducing specialized supports "sara and gorou", physical damage needs mainly units that specialize in amplifying physical damage, Eula stays competitive as a main dps because of her amazing scaling, but her QOL is so bad because she doesnt have a support that is tailor made for her, same goes for razor, two things physical damage needs 1- QOL supports 2- damage amplification supports, they have none of that.. Eula is an amazing unit, but she has to make due with makeshift supports, Raiden does a lot for her, but Raiden is an amazing unit in her own right, she makes all units better.
U forgot any electro other than raiden? What about fischl literally and 4 star and maybe even yae if u have her but if u dont have yae and raiden u have the option of fischl or anyone that apply electro but if i have to choose a character that the best support i got for raiden but ye
@@mafuyu5637 yeah, as i said, makeshift supports. they work because we want super conduct, but VV shred does what super conduct does, which is a bit of a joke really. i main Eula, she is amazing, but she needs better support option, even one good physical damage support can help by a lot.
@@midwestairway she i main her too i haye robot thats all
Hate*
There are plenty of physical supports too ya know :/
Like xinyan, superconduct, zhongli shield. Besides we can already do so much damage with Eula so do we really need more supports to break this game more? I have a c0 eula with r2 STSS and she's a beast
Honestly i really agree with your take on the last part of your vid. As much as i love the game, it feels like hoyoverse isnt taking the initiatives to make it even greater than it already is. Sure game developing is a lot harder than it is thought of, especially for an open world game, but we are practically talking about the same game that has rack up over millions, if not billions of dollars in just one year.
Instead of hyperfocusing on superconduct hoyoverse could make a physical damage based hydro claymore character with a dedicated artifact set that increases shatter damage. They could even make it a sword character who has a passive like kokomi which turns it's attacks into heavy attacks to trigger shatter.
I started this game as a Razor main and though he doesn't see as much use, he still holds a special place for me. I love his theme, his aesthetic and he is just fun to play for me. Eula and Razor are two of my favorite characters in the whole game, and I look forward to continually improving them and seeing physical dmg evolve.
The problem I have with Physical right now is that a lot of the boss monster resist them heavily, we can see this in the previous few abyss where boss have ton of HP and high resistance while against mob it is also not great cuz you rely on NA and they have low range.Tthe only top tier physical character, Eula, her burst is powerful and have decent range but very high cd so she is in a very awkward situation overall
Without full on physical reduction team like Rosaria C6, Zhongli, superconduct etc your dmg is reduced significantly compared to reaction element making C0 Eula having really tough time, I have to reset many more times to get max star compared to other team. Also the fact that Eula is the only competitive physical character make it a pain investing on physical team and set, as much as I love her as a character she is just like Hu Tao, the queen of caveat, at least at C0. Razor C6 is only about the same level as Keqing C0 and we know her power level isn't competitive anymore. My fav physical team is Eula and Raiden but my raiden is now C2 and she deal just as much damage as my Eula without buff so at that point rational or hyper would be much more powerful, electro MC is better at battery single character but he deal no damage at all and he didn't add anything other than battery.
2:16 “everyone can deal physical damage besides catalysts”
The eye of perception be like: 👺
Imagine Dendro would be the element to scale off of physical damage. That would be so hype
I can see it! I think this might be an underrated comment!
Not anymore apparently
@@Oyogitsune :0 new leak info??
I'll mention this everytime phys dmg comes up; playing Fischl with a physical focused build in my early ARs helped me immensely to get through the game (didn't get a 5* until i was like AR50), for like 3 months. She still serves in my party after 10 months tho i built her kinda hybrid dmg, so she can still help out where my main elements are weak
Qiqi technically counts as a physical healer.
Reasons: Her skill do not produce any particles
Her skill heals everyone more efficiently when she's on field
Her constellation 2 focuses on her normal and charge attack
Her healing is scaled on her attack
And finally Ocean Hued Clam deal physical damage
Fuck man, electro is meant to be a damage overtime in a deep Bob Adepero reaction not meant to be a primary damage dweller physical. If that meant to be a primary damage type critical is meant to be what you do in between your cold out at all when you’re waiting.
as a eula main, i've always ignored elemental reactions (excluding super conduct). I find elemental reactions hard to play. why would i spend so much time farming artifacts for 3 character when i can jsut farm for one and be done with it. Just drop a bird or cast an eye, switch to eula and deal dmg.
Probably because you are leaving a lot of damage on the table. For the 10 seconds of downtime after your Burst you are doing a lot less damage than if you had, say, a Raiden Shogun built doing her damage for those other 10 seconds (plus helping reduce Eula's energy needs).
I love that you use the actual names for the talents and constellations instead of just e, q, passive and c1 c6 etc
One thing that always tripped me up when I started playing Genshin was the fact that Elemental damage could crit. In Honkai Impact, physical damage was the only element that could crit. In return, element damage bypassed defense. Further into Honkai's lifespan, methods kept coming out that further increased element damage called vulnerability and breach. It was ironically balanced in a way that made any element come out completely viable because there were so many teammates and equipment that made them viable. IMO Genshin kind of screwed the pooch by deviating so much from Honkai's formula. Yeah sure, it gave Genshin it's own identity, but it made it run into so many problems in it's first year of being out. Units become power crept in like two months after they come out unless they are absolutely monsters. Four stars that come out are near completely useless compared to their five star counter parts. It's honestly just kind of sad.
I recently been building my Xinyan and honestly it's the most fun i have had with a 4* character in a long time. She also made collecting thousands of ores in the chasm a breeze.
Thanks to my physical damage Jean I was able to clear floor 11 with 9 stars for the first time, i know she was COPIUM but it was really fun to used her as a main DPS, i really hope that in the future she can be a better physical DPS or, if by any chance, mihoyo introduces a character that can infuse anemo damage to attacks like chongyun for cryo or bennet C6 for pyro.
hey at least with main jean you keep all your party memebers healed with your autos
Vars: Hardly anyone uses Jeans as their carry
Tuonto: and i took that personally
My Eula can hit for 22k~ per hit with a snow tombed after one elemental reaction for the duration of the super conduct debuff. Imagine any elemental dps that can do the same WITHOUT needing to constantly re up on reactions and CD and energy issues. You could say ganyu but she needs to charge up attacks first so it’s a certain special place for physical dps that they can hit so hard with just one occasional proc of an aoe reaction.
I can’t wait to see another eula. The only downside is they have to be either cryo or electro of course.
a Ganyu single charged attack can do more than 100k with just melt tho
@@miko-kk5bw but you need to set up another pyro character In the right order AND the reaction resets the element so you have to do it again. Also charge attacks take longer to fire than a few NA. I’m saying that they’re on par with each other
@@MarcAlcatraz That also applies to eula's superconduct. Also c4 xiangling and her gouba which always applies pyro? With bennet she'll have her burst up every time. Also charged attacks only takes about 2 seconds, 120k+ per 2 seconds is better than 44k per 2 seconds imo
@@miko-kk5bw All characters have different playstyles, Eula is utilized for Burst,Elemental skill,Na+superconduct and Ganyu on the other hand to maximize her damage is just about melt and charge attack.
So stop bragging your favorite character here, the context is about physical shenanigans
@@karpzzz7990 We arent talking about gameplays here, its about damage output. Also who said that Ganyu is my favorite character lol?(I main beidou) I have both Eula and Ganyu and both hit hard so I am talking from experience here
I think Fischl as a normal attack unit is a very interesting study in this, you can learn all about this just by playing her:
Now i don't want to be that JEEEN guy you made fun but i'll start out by asking what is "viable"? With that Razor team you showed and Fischl in his place you can legitimately 36* with Slingshot R5, a 3* Weapon everyone has access to, moderately good (not incredible) artifacts, and with good play have plenty of time left over. However you can still play her as a normal attacker in a electro/elemental focused team, and typically speaking once everything is setup, good synergies, it just goes far easier in some cases to the point it almost feels like a joke, between electro charged, swirl damage, potentially overload, and everything else.
The rub is, and don't know why, physical just appeals to some people, outside of Eula/Razor/Xinyan its not how anybody recommends playing characters but there is something just nice about it that may not appeal to all, but definitely appeals to a few, myself included. Its probably meant as the "starter" damage but that simple ability to just deal up front damage, your character themselves appearing to dish it out, not some magic, no "tricks", raw muscle, its just cool.
as someone who over-invested in eula, i can 36* abyss without superconduct or any other source of phys shred. her elemental skill shred is already broken enough
I don't think "Over-invest" is a thing for 5stars lmao
P
@@Darksilver740 me after investing a ridiculous amount of energy, time, mora, and artifacts to give Qiqi a phys build
...Doesn't having to over-invest in a character means they're not as broken as you think they are
@@glowtz overinvest allowed me to 36* without proper support/bringing electro for superconduct, meaning u can 36* with wayy less investment if u bring proper team comp
Eula main here hehe was waiting for this! 💙
Physical DMG has always been my favorite DMG type and I would love to see more units dedicated to it. However the reliance on Superconduct is too extreme in my opinion. If Shatter could be an amplifying reaction like Melt that would be a really welcome change, because Shatter is more detrimental than beneficial as it currently is.
Same here, my first dpses on both of my genshin accounts are physical (Razor and Rosaria)
Ok I couldnt help but laugh when you said eula was broken those type of censors are just funny to me
Kaeya and Rosaria are also pretty solid as Phys DMG Dealers
I'd argue Rosaria was built for it. Kaeya happens to be good at it because his normal multipliers rival that of many claymores.
I love how he always uses C6 Bennett
Physical is a little weak imo. Would be nice to have a dedicated 4* support for it like Gouru for geo
10:15 ah yes c6 Bennett with eula the most broken team comp
i main eula its preety ight with zhonglis shield res reduction and superconduct i can still fight ruin guards in abyss :DD
Great video! One thing to think about in terms of supports for off element physical carries. Cryo hosts two of the best bennett substitutes in the game with diona and shenhe with particularly diona seeing an incredibly similar amount of play to bennett. Electro gives access to another bennett replacement in kujou sara as well as four of the best supports in the game with beidou, yae miko, fishcl and raiden shogun, all of whom are capable of applying electro while off field which is particularly beneficial for a physical damage team since they typically have no true downtime so not having to go through full rotations is really good. Compared to hydro or pyro the sheer number of support options gives far greater versatility especially once you realize that a lot of teams end up running some combination of these characters on accident anyways.
Eula main here
I’ll be honest and say that Hoyoverse is probably scared of Physical damage. It’s hard to balance them for a long list of reasons, but let me name a few
Currently, there are about 8? Characters with viable physical builds. Which are: Eula, Razor, Xinyan, Xiangling, Zhongli, Keqing, Fischl and Rosaria.
Does anyone else Notice some patterns?
Physical damages are either: electro, Cryo, polearm or Xinyan. Why is that? Well, Cryo and electro are understandable. They are half of superconduct after all. Xinyan is the forgotten kid of physical damage sadly, and then there’s polearms. Literally no polearm character is designed for physical damage completely. Xiangling and Zhongli have nothing going for them in terms of physical, and Rosaria is half designed physical (with her constellations boosting atk speed) and half Cryo. However, none of these builds are used as much because there are better usages for them.
If you’re wondering how units that have literally nothing for physical damage are still decent with it, I’ll present you the most neglected yet broken weapon of all time, Crescent Pike. Crescent pike is a broken weapon, since it adds damage to your attacks. This scales greatly with any fast attacker, and Xiangling and Zhongli have the best attacks for crescent pike out of all polearms. Multiple hits and fast attacks are all crescent pike needs, yet Mihoyo hasn’t released a character that can use it since Rosaria. However, Ever since Rosaria, polearm characters have slow hits that have only one multiplier. Look at Yunjin, Shenhe… beautiful animations, but slow af and they don’t have multiple hits. Hoyoverse is actively trying to avoid creating a physical polearm due to the sheer power of Crescent Pike. And I think that’s the thing holding physical back. It’s not that They’re ignoring it, they’re too scared of it. Physical being an op strategy would undermine elements. But this has a consequence that most physical oriented units feel shy.
Physical’s play style has two key factors to it. You shred the enemies resistance to dust, and you get as much physical damage bonus as you can. Hoyoverse has succeeded in one of these aspects. Creating weapons with physical damage, giving pale flame and bloodstained 25% instead of 15%…but they fall short in many aspects. Why is it that Xinyan’s passive only gives 15% physical damage bonus, and it’s tied to her shield? Why is it that her C4, Rosaria’s C6 and Shenhe’s ult only reduce resistance by 12% or 15%? It’s funny how the most successful unit (Eula) reduces defense by 25% instead of the shy 15%. Razor has no way to reduce resistance on his own, which is part of the reason he has fallen off so hard.
A physical support would be nice, but I doubt Hoyo wants to do it considering how broken it could be if not balanced correctly
In the best case scenario, a ruin guard can end up with -30% physical resistance even if it has the highest of 70%. Superconduct’s 40% + Eula’s 25% + Rosaria C6’s 15% + Zhongli’s 20% = 100% physical resistance shred. That’s about the same if an elemental unit used VV since most units have 10% elemental resistance. The difference is that it’s in no way comparable when elemental damage dealers have reactions and better supports.
On another note, I’d like if the physical support would be electro, since we already have a good physical support-ish in Rosaria. The best electro unit would be fischl, but she’s better suited for other teams. If this were true, then you wouldn’t need have an issue running an electro and a Cryo unit since if you’re a physical damage dealer you want Rosaria and this hypothetical electro unit regardless. This would allow the door for a hydro physical unit to be introduced, and maybe take advantage of Shatter and Freeze.
Honestly there’s so much to say, and I’m fascinated by physical damage and it’s play style. It’s a shame Hoyo is scared of its potential and won’t truly design one unit except for Eula, but even she has her own caveats and issues.
"Razor has no way to reduce resistance on his own" hmmm?
@@LuZErTX Yeah. None of his talents or constellations reduce resistance. The only one is his C4 and its defense, so its not the same. Technically its better but it goes more with the fact that he's electro than he is physical (because electro characters have some talents that destroy defense [since electro has such a crisis of identity, it is one of the many things it does]. An example is Lisa's talent and Raiden's C2
Genshin impact 3.0 elemental resonances re-work
1 = base effect
2 = unconditional team buff
3 = element only buff
Pyro
1. Affected by cryo for 25% less time.
2. +25% attack .
3. Pyro characters deal 15% more damage
Cryo
1. Affected by electro for 25% less time.
2. +15% critical chance .
3. Cryo characters gain 10%Attack speed.
Hydro
1. Affected by pyro for 25% less time.
2. +30% health points .
3. Hydro characters Incoming healing increased by 30%
Electro
1. Affected by hydro for 25% less time.
2. +30% critical damage .
3. Electro characters Ignore 20% of enemies defense.
Dendro
1. Affected by status effects for 25% less time
2. +120 elemental mastery .
3. Dendro characters gain 30% Increase elemental reaction damage.
Geo
1. Increase resistance to interruption.
2. +45% defense .
3. Geo characters gain 50% Increase shield strength.
Anemo
1. Reduce stamina consumption by 10%.
2. +30% energy recharge .
3. Anemo characters gain 20% Reduced cool down.
4 unique elements
1. Gain 40% resistance to all damage
"Xinyan was never viable as physical DPS"
Laughs in Redhorn Stonethresher
I guess hitting a consistent 130k+ burst and 30k charged doesn't count as being viable in his book
@@ProjectTranzationz I'm thinking of building Xinyan AND YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT WITHOUT GIVING THE BUILD 😭
@@heisara Double Geo/Pyro team comp, R1 Redhorn, 71/241 crit ratio, 2pc Pale/Blood, triple-crowned talents, and c6
@@ProjectTranzationz All that for 130k? Better off giving that Redhorn to Eula and doing like 500k Bursts...
@@AndresLionheart No shit it does more dmg, you're comparing a 6k+ burst multiplier to a 700% burst multiplier ofc its going to hit harder. That's like comparing Kaeya to Ayaka in burst dmg, both are still gonna be viable picks regardless. Doing more damage wasn't the point of my comment.
Seems like there might be a dedicated physical support soon and that's someone related to Eula in some way (Someone from Lawrence clan or in her team).
As someone who mained Razor and then got Eula as my first five star back in 1.6, I would say that physical damage is undoubtedly very good. As a new player, not having to worry about elemental reactions felt very nice, and I also loved how I could bring them to pretty much any boss or domain (just bring supports with the right element to break elemental shields) My physical carries helped me burn through so much of the early to mid game content. I am now AR57 and even though I have benched Razor, Eula still remains in my Abyss teams. With the Raiden Shogun, she's simply unstoppable.
My Rosaria has incredible physical damage with her constellation debuff, super conduct, and 169 physical bonus with dragon spine pole arm and artefacts. It's gets even more busted with Yun Jin ult for her auto attacks. And possibly boost with ayato ult. Such powerful and fast normals in almost a perma freeze.
Hey another Rosaria physical user. Good stuff~ And yeah, she really does work out like that!
Eula has been my first choice for second half for all abyss rotation since her release. I usually run her with Zhongli. Beidou, and a flex. You need to know enemies attack pattern and DPS window, once you do you'll do well against any enemies.
7:40 also Madara was barely trying and was laughing having the time of his life. He didnt even try to use Limbo clones because he wasnt scared of losing like he was against Naruto, as he is visibly worried and tries limbo clone immediately while running.
right now we only have physical damage dealers and not enough physical supports
most supportive skills deal elemental damage except for healers with clam set
eula has enough power to hard carry her team but razor and xinyan lack that power
as for razor he doesn't need much ER since he has that covered so what team can he fit in
right now the best team i can think of is razor C4 rosaria C6 zhongli C0 and yunjin C2 (or c6) to make him hard carry content in the game
I can fully agree on the reliability part. I always feel safe using my Eula team for any new content/unknown territories because I know she's gonna do a great job with every enemy (for elemental shields there's the rest of the team)
9:00 with ayato's release the new sword gives an all element damage bonus of 12% at R1which is pretty big. not to mention everything else the sword can do.
Hey, Noblies NPC Traveler is by and far one of the greatest challenge runs I have ever seen. How dare you dis that glorious physical build.
I would genuinely love if there was at least 1 physical damage focused character for every weapon type. Kinda breaks my heart that there are so many great normal attack animations from characters now and it's like "man would be cool if I got to actually see these super cool animations more often."
At the very LEAST give more characters easy self-elemental infusions like Ayaka.
Getting to rely on Eula's normals so often has legit been really refreshing lol. Especially since the animations are incredible and stylish.
as a Eula main, I'd really like to see an expansion of physical damage support. I picked Eula because I thought scaling vape and melt was boring (among other reasons) and I find it much more engaging to find ways to continually boost my damage and strip enemy resistances.
Since I played Eula in her story mission she's my most wanted character and the only character I'd be willing to whale for. Not just because she's physical but she's so much fun to play. And for vengeance of course.
i often play co op a lot and, as a geo traveler main, came to realize how much of a hindrance my geo construct could be. so i started building a physical/hybrid build with 2-piece bloodstained and pale flame, adjusting the goblet to either geo or physical depending on whether or not i'm in co op mode. then i found out about superconduct. with lisa and kaeya in my party they definitely help my lumine become the dps i want her to be
frankly i've only just recently started experimenting with elemental reactions, particularly melt and overload. with how i play the game, melt isn't as effective or quick as overload so i mostly use explosions to deal the damages. but i still much prefer going slash and stab at enemies. so far the only troubles i'm getting is elemental shields... they're like five times more annoying now
And there's someone who's building physical Barbara
As someone who's been maining kaeya sjnce the start of genshin, i do have to say he's really competent as a physical main! Right behind Ayaka he has one of the highest damage scalings for normal and charged attack and has the benefit of proccing superconduct because he's cryo.
However i do hope that one day physical damage can get a dedicated buffer (i.e. similar to gorou for geo and shenhe for cryo) because i really want kaeya to shine 😩
My best team is my Eula team. I only got C0 and the craft able weapon but she hits like a truck.
And I am not necessarily talking about her burst... the burst only matters for bosses or the abyss anyway as nothing else even lives long enough for it to go off in time.
But that is a one off. For everyone else physical builds feel more like a early game phase. E.g. I had Fischl pretty early on and I played her physical as main dps for a long time but once you enter higher AR and get other units she becomes more valuable as a support. Today if I ever field her (*cough*Shogun*cough*) she is on field only for seconds, E or Q and off she is again.
I guess in order to stay relevant they could add supports that specifically benefit physical DPS. Like a character that not only gives a shield or heals but also gives a buff for physical dmg.
Either way I honestly do not expect another Eula to happen.
It would be nice to see a new weapon type come into play to capitalize on physical damage like a scythe.
This video has gotten me thinking about physical units, and how we could make them viable, props to you, and I have a idea as to how, and I'm using the new blessing of the abyssal moon as a basis.....
Superconduct does not give a 66% damage bonus. That's not how resists in this game works; it gives ~28% instead for most mobs.
Resistances for most monsters are 10% for elements they don't specifically resist/are weak to. In addition, resist debuffs are halved when you go below 0%. So, against a normal mob with a 10% Physical Resistance, what happens is that 10% of the resist debuff is used to get phys resist down to 0%. Then the remainder of the resist debuff (30%) is halved before being applied, resulting in the enemy having -15% physical resist in the end, or your attacks doing 115% damage. 115% / 90% - 1 = 27.77% extra damage. The only time phys shred/superconduct gives anywhere close to 66% is if you use it on physically resistant enemies, and that's only a subset of Genshin's enemies. Also, keep in mind that the physical unit herself can be (and oftentimes is, in Razor/Eula's case) cryo/electro, which necessitates only a single additional elemental support if you want superconduct.
This affects a lot of your video's results. For instance, superconduct (and thus electro+cryo) is not any more "needed" than VV is needed for elemental damage dealers. Sure, 28% damage is nice to have, but it's nothing that a good buffer can't match. To add to this, good physical units can supply their own phys resist shred, like Eula who supplies 25% by herself. If you use Zhongli, he gives 20% shred. All of this cuts down superconduct's effectiveness even further since res shred stacks additively with eath other, not multiplicatively. Of course, superconduct is still good if you can get it, but it's not life and death like you describe in the video at all.
Also, you are waaaay overinflating Eula's damage bonuses in that comparison with Raiden. First of all, Eula is never meant to get anywhere near the maximum stacks for her ult. Her best rotations generally put her at around 12-14 stacks (closer to 12 without attack speed buffs), which is around 2500-2800% multiplier at max level. Still high, sure, but nothing near the 6500%+ you quoted. In fact, her C6, whose only purpose is to let her get near this cap, is known to be one of the most busted (actually overpowered) C6s in the game.
You can say that 2800% is really high, sure, but this isn't actually that exceptional in the game, either. Xingqiu's burst is expected to have a higher MV over its duration; Ganyu's burst about matches it if you can group at least two enemies together over its duration. Ayaka's ult stomps all over Eula's ult damage. The example you used, Raiden, also has more damage bonuses than Eula has (her E, ER to bonus damage, resolve); and her ult is not even considered very good damage until you have her actually OP C2, as opposed to Eula who leans pretty heavily on her ult for her main DPS status. Unlike Eula's constellations (her C1 contributing only the standard 10-15% that most other constellations give since it's additive with other % bonuses, and her C2 being just a QoL increase), Raiden's C2 is actually strong.
It's definitely true that phys has higher multipliers than elemental damage, but the extend is not as drastic as you describe. Eula would actually not be that busted at all if she dealt electro damage instead Heck, she might not even be that broken if she did all cryo damage, given that setting up reactions on her ult would require too much setup to be practical.