A Plane Maker Reveals the Secrets of Old Tools
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- Austin Papp comes in to teach us about planes!
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0:00 Intro
3:53 What's the difference?
6:38 Setting up the plane
10:23 Strike button
11:58 Outro - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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This guy has the beard and glasses of Norm Abram, and is the master of all planes. He has even mastered the art of the complain.😂 you're awesome Rex
It’s 2am and I’m tired and for the first 5 seconds I thought it was unreleased footage of young norm
Austin is a hoot! Complimentary of course to the typical Rex video in so many ways.
I can only speak for myself, in so saying, loved THIS one. Very fun and very informative video!
Thank you both for sharing!
Blessings y'all
Crawford out 🙏🏻🔥⚒️🧙🏼♂️
P. S. Reeeexxxxx, you know we're going to watch the plane making video when it comes out... Like several times over n over🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭
The editing is outstanding Nate!
Austin is a natural. So cool to see him on the channel!
Thoroughly enjoyed this one. Please have him back sometime. The banter in between you two was really funny. :)
I'd sit through watching you making two versions of any given hand tool :) fear of imperfection is a big struggle for me. I have to remind myself to "fail faster" to improve rather than plan forever and do nothing.
I'm finally making my first box right now, a case for the Veritas large router and blades, out of drawer sides from furniture on the side of the road (reusing some of its jointing), and an oak chair leg. I'm having fun 😊
I had no idea what the "strike button" was or how to adjust a wooden plane easy, before watching this. Awesome.
Great video! Austin did a great job! I think this was special treat for all of us!
Nice stuff, like the guest star on the show. It would be nice to see more specialists on the channel!
Great guest Rex. Great video. For the first few minutes I thought I was about to be disappointed in your video. But that feeling didn't last. I enjoyed the whole thing. 👍👍 Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
I love to buy from small tool makers, they produce high quality tools. Prices are the reflection of the effort and quality. Sometimes is more than can pay, so I need to save little more little longer.
I ABSOLUTELY want to watch 5 videos of you learning to make planes, Rex!
Brilliant video, great dialogue, he's a gem, hope to see more of him ...if you can afford his Big Bucks !!
Need to find his channel now !!
Sassy guest. I love it!
As someone who is left handed, every time I find out a tool is better with a dedicated grip, I cry a little inside. Guess I have one more thing to hunt antique malls for.
Duuuude you two have a fenomenal straight man/funny guy rapport. As far as woodworking goes your videos has always been great rex, but as entertainment, this is another level of enjoyable. And good woodworking with good banter is a pretty empty nische on youtube. I would LOVE to see more collabs. It's also more entertaining and educational than the stuff on Austins channel, your writing planning and editing is clearly more refined. You two make an awesome pair.
@Austin V Papp NO. THEY. DON'T! But they are surely another style than this, though 😄
Thanks for uploading the complete video.
Great guest. Interesting topic.
Great info.... would love to see more videos with people that specialize in various parts of the craft
From one Austin to another, great work. Better watch out Rex, I think he's gunning for your job! 😉
Excellent guest, excellent video! Really enjoyed it, Rex!
Good to see the 'rest of the story'!
Thank you for the reload Rex. Now to see the final part of this excellent video.
Honestly, that transition was really smooth and I'm surprised it was completely unplanned.
Fantastic tool video. Thanks. I’d look a link to Austin’s planes and how to buy them
I love this guy!
Props to a true craftsman, cutting that mortice precisely must be quite the feat. I would say he's too quick to dismiss laminated planes, and emphasizes beech a bit more than necessary.. Based on this and other channels I made myself a jointer plane out of scraps of various hardwoods. It works great! Also laminating wood decreases worries about movement. I get that his are fancier, but as a serviceable tool that planes wood, save yourself months of tinkering and do a laminated krenov style plane in a weekend.
I think the reason that striking the button is more effective than striking the back is because it (along with your hand trying to hold the back still) imparts rotation with a pivot point somewhere between your wrist and your elbow, whereas striking the back only provides a straight translation. Striking the back moves the plane body in a direction that's 30° or 40° (whatever the blade angle is) out of alignment with the blade, so it's not trying to move the body in the direction that the blade is pointing. The rotation from striking the button moves the body in a direction that's closer to being aligned with the direction the blade is pointing, so it's more effective at moving the body separately from the blade.
Thanks for a good video. I love older wooden planes and have several. One comment you made is that such a plane must have the button to raise the blade. I have some planes that have that, but I have some that don't. A coffin plane for example is too short for one, so it has to be hit in the back to raise the blade. I have a 16" older plane that also does not have a button but clearly has wear in the back where it has been hit to raise its blade. Your comments are most welcome and thanks for your time and insight.
I love that he came up with that jump cut camera trick!!
Haha, I enjoyed this, great video you guys!
This was a great video, would love more on hand planing, hand spokeshaving, card scraping etc.
Thanks for this Rex, great balance between informative and entertaining !
Me looking around my house, seeing european beech everywhere... Looking through the window, neighbour's firewood is the cleanest, straightest, beefiest beech I've seen... Yet, no wooden plane. Time to change that
@austinvpapp4701 It always breaks my heart a little when I see the logs... But it's the prefered way to keep warm around these parts unfortunately... And the cheapest hardwood for building stuff
Thanks a bunch for all the info, guys! 😊
Stay safe there with your families! 🖖😊
That was fun.
I enjoyed this video very much. I will join Austin’s group also. Very educational.
You guys are awesome ! Keep the shavings flying around the shop 👍
Enjoyable and informative. You two work well together.
Lee valley has tapered irons.
Both hard maple and yellow birch are lovely woods for plane making. They are as good as beech.
All three species might be gotten from arborists in cities surrounding the Great Lakes. A smallish firewood log is not difficult split and cut into plane size billets.
Regards
Great video, very informative, Rex, nice beard, Austin, and nicely done! Hilma and Hubert approves!
Grateful to see the end of the video, thanks Rex!
You went to a lot of effort and trouble to create a unique video that was unlike any I have seen before and I found it very interesting - a new topic to me. I just think it's sad that some don't appreciate what content creators make.
Great video. Thank you.
I want to see a video of you learning how to make a plane. Maybe you could record each phase of the learning process, then edit them into one video. Just an idea. Love this video by the way!
I loved this video!
You know what's weird... that wood plane grip with the straight pinkie+index fingers and the bent middle+ring fingers looks similar to the grip I was taught to use to hold and throw a... bowling ball.
get these two a show already!!!
I'm curious if you use more floats or if you use blunt chisels (ala Bill Carter) instead? I'd seen/heard somewhere that a blunt chisel could do most/all of what plane maker floats are used for, but that for some reason they've ended up being more of a British thing - most others use floats?
I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.
Dumb question: would a Krenov style plane benefit from a tapered iron? I made my entire bench set in a Krenov style, dressed up to look like traditional abutting wedge planes. I've noticed that my untapered irons do like to slide around a bit while I'm adjusting. I've been using a strip of painters tape on the bottom of my wedge to add a little extra friction.
@Austin V Papp I might have to try that! I assume that the main taper is on the back side of the iron. Right?
What is the difference between laminated and chiseled out?
Love this ep
Rex made at least 1 vid early on making a laminated plane as a challenge against another YT'er, aluminum sides laminated on either side & maybe Corian blocks iirc in the center, vs chiseled out of a single hunk of lumber & nothing glued up to make the body
The body of a laminated plane is made up of two pieces-the sides. You can easily remove the material of the mouth from both sides before gluing the them back together. The body of a chiseled out plane is made of one piece with the mouth chiseled out through the block (and some special tools are helpful here). Actually, the bottom of the one piece plane can be another piece of wood, but that's not what's meant here. It's how the mouth is formed; through or two sides glued together.
EngineerMike F mentions an infill plane (or at least a type of infill plane-I can't quite remember the one Rex made), which has a metal body with wooden elements, like the tote and handle. But this isn't consider a laminated plane.
@@thomashverring9484 sorry, should have been clearer - I meant in how the plane performs
@@gebuh1 Ah, none, probably. It has been mentioned that planes with only a rod to support the wedge can make it chatter more, but I have no idea if that is true.
@ 11:54 Hmm I think that by striking the plane you are also (very) slightly bending he plane which opens the abutment a bit, takes pressure off the wedge and allows the blade to move outwards.
Thanks guys.
Great video! Thanks. I understand why quatersawn is important, but why is it so important to be beech wood?
Yo rex! Love your video's, i ve watched them all! But you still owe us a video of the moravian stool with the sliding dovetail..Just saying..😊 ( please?)
What a great insight. I've been lucky enough to have acquired a collection of wooden planes, from molding to a very heavy large jointer. As I watch these and only tool and woodwork related TH-cam videos I'm learning more and more about the differences and best way to use them. The one question I have is why my jointer plane doesn't have a chip breaker (there's no groove cut out for the screw) and there's no strike button. Is this normal and would you recommend adding a strike button?
Thanks 👍👊
The plane truth!
Enjoying watching you both!!! You had good interaction
Much better. 1st round seemed um...to end a bit abruptly
Great video, fun and lots of good information
Very interesting.
Thanks for sharing.
Do I agree? You'll never know! 😂
Strike button on top or in the back doesn't make so much of a difference in a plane with 45°(deg) or more angled blade.
The offset handle is an extremely smooth feature - personalizing planes too much for production series though, and ruining it for someone like me needing a plane I can use in both directions (boatbuilder - boats have two sides You gotta tackle in both directions with both hands equally, same goes for coach building and sleds ...). We use those "ridiculously long" (and even longer) planes to smooth deck contours, with some builders having them in differently rounded soles even.
Many German/Continental-European smaller (shorter) wooden planes do not have a handle but a (symmetrical) rounded piece to push with the part between thumb and trigger finger, which makes 'em both-handed behind the iron, while the front handle ain't a knob regrettably but a sort of horn best gripped with the left hand, ruining the both handed plane back to "righthandedly pushed-to-the-left", which obviously ain't the best version for any-directional use ...
Interesting to see some other people's approach to hand planes too. Thanks for sharing!
@Austin V Papp Oh wow, the guy himself! Thanks for acknowledging. My profession ever since built its own planes (personalized/specialized plane-building was actually part of my apprenticeship as a German boatbuilder, right after being taught to tune a continental European wooden plane with a hammer😅), and I did work with coach builders and boatbuilders that had roundabout 30 usable planes ready and a bunch of others "on hold" to cut up, round, rabbet or whatever they needed for a project at hand they did not want to do with chisels or a small adze only. Had to personalize my jointers because my hands do not fit in stock handles, so I sometimes did cut those handles up and put a piece in to make room (usually the closed ULMIA-style ones). Sometimes I just cut the handle off and added that already mentioned "thumb-triggerfinger"-round push-handle part behind the iron I can not name in English (sorry 'bout that). I still have about 50 old German wooden planes of all sizes, forms and iron-angles I got from flee markets and garage sales in a chest to have irons and "cascos" to work with even 10 years after having stopped professionally boatbuilding for health reasons - I can't use 'em as firewood, I just can't - so I just keep 'em. I love the artwork, the embellishments and personalisations the oldtime woodworkers sometimes did to their planes and wooden handles in times without television, when "free" time was used to keep tools in order, or make better ones when no side-hustling was to do.
Some rural places where I lived and worked in the Alpes had phenomenal museums showing things from before the industrial revolution/mechanisation, and always on display were specialized planes and other fancy woodworking tools made from wood and with a lot of ornament.
Thank You for keeping the knowledge and planebuilding as a thing to do alive, and for spreading it. Many people in today's consumerist world would never even think about building the handtools they need. Which brings me back to Rex who got my attention for actually *_building usable stuff_* using handtools only, as we had to do it during apprenticeship. Cheers!
@Austin V Papp Well, as a hand tool lover, one can see that in Your product. You're an exotic that way these days though. Keep being that way. Thanks for sharing and showing! Oh, and I loved the "diamond" idea. (I just put in cut-off heads of carriage bolts before I had my own lathe)
"a perfectly bad plane" 😂
Thought that was Woody Goss for the first 19 minutes of the video. Glad the man is making planes in this year of our lord.
Great information. This hobby is great and terrible at the same. So many things that I could enjoy yet, as always, I have to pick a path. Luckily I still have many years to pursue many things. Thank for sharing such a great topic with us.
In europe pinie from Czech Republic sells factory made wodden planes. Didn't use em, but they look Okay'sh. Have you tried em? Cause 400$ is a little bit pricey for weekend warrior you know
@austinvpapp4701 pinie planes are dirt cheap, their 50 cm jointing plane is like 70$. Ece's are at least 3 times more expensive, but prob for a reason :D
Unfortunately, this flea market isn't the thing we got in my place, so the options are buying new, or DIY which scares the crap out of me :D
He's trying to say "inertia"
oh! There’s my clone hanging out with Rex. For real though. This guy could be my brother more so than my actual brother.
A shameless scene stealer!!! or maybe a star is born
@austinvpapp4701you rock,you might even carry it off dressed in beefsteak
Very dry humour. "Rex thinks it's a diamond"... "Rex killed a perfectly bad old plane"
I really liked that. Brilliant video, great fun.
This video was great from both an educational point of view and a comedic one! I kept alternating between "cool" and laughter... Sorry Rex ;-)
Well, you explained how a strike button works, which made sense. You did not explain how it was installed/different density wood, etc. Any hints?
Have you ever heard of (visualization concept) thats where the more you see something, the better you can practice it.
So I would like to see that. I would like to see more practical carpentry.
Pretty please 🥺
I like the wooden plane but the #6 Veritas Fore Plane sells for $309.00. Seems that the only way to spend less is to make your own plane
To make such a beautiful tool in the old way, you need to pay someone to put in a lot of effort/work/time/experience. But that was the old way. There is so much new tech you can streamline the process with now. You can CNC the body of that plane in a couple hours to a VERY precise level of accuracy. Still skill involved, still a wonderful piece of craftsmanship, still a great tool. But not necessary to be $450 anymore.
By the time the maker buy's a CNC (big bucks) and learns to use it I think the plane will still be $450.🙂🙂
How? What sort of tool is used in a cnc route or mill to cut the abutment, the bed and the escapement on a solid block of beech? I can't see how that works.
@@glencrandall7051 For the first plane, maybe. Then any plane after will be significantly less. That's how scaling a project works.
@austinvpapp4701 And that's great. I didn't say you had to. If people want to buy your handmade plane, then that's a great situation for you to be in. The video specifically states that planes like this need to be expensive. I was only illustrating that they don't need to be. They can be made with technical aides and be just as capable.
@austinvpapp4701 and @richardsinger3601 Yes I understand it's not the norm to mill wood on a 3-axis Bridgeport. Modern milling/CNC machines can cut drastically complex parts. It does take know-how and experience, and it is handy to have a few AvE style tricks up your sleeve. But it is entirely possible to make a plane that way. And as far as necessary handwork, you are entirely correct Austin. The same way you'd need to debur holes and edges on a machined part. If you want a beautiful tool you've got to put in the extra effort for fit-and-finish. My statement still remains. A CAD/CAM wooden plane is possible, faster, and less costly(over a run) than an entirely hand-made plane.
People want to buy extra fancy hand made tools with provenance and a toolmaker's story behind them. I will never argue that. And I would never argue that people NOT buy them or make them. People love buying Bridgecity stuff at their astronomical prices. Folks like the cache and marquee recognition, and that's totally fine by me. They are not infinitely better tools than those costing 1/10th the price. And that's not the point of buying them. The point is to have a gorgeous tool with a great brand behind it. If you've got the money and are willing to pay the price, I say go for it. But I would also never debase someone for rehabbing an old Stanley. They can be equally effective.
My response is not wrong. If you don't like it, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Does it make business sense to make that plane with a CNC? It remains to be seen. But can you? Absolutely.
This video has me wondering if you could make a plane body out of epoxy.
hey, you should pin a comment about how to get in touch with him!
Quite unrelated, but I would like to ask you Austin if you looks here too: is it possible that you have Hungarian ancestors based on your family name?
@Austin V Papp Nice! Greetings from Hungary :)
Btw. here the traditional continental wooden planes have a hornbeam bottom and other parts made from beech. But as I see, you use only one kind of material. Can you say anything about that?
(Ps.: do you still speak the language maybe?)
Planeswalker
So what happened during the premier?
Rex this clown should be paying you. Thanks for another fun video. Oh, the strike button vs hitting the back is an example of one of Newton's laws of motion: an object at rest shall remain at rest unless acted.....crap. I don't remember and you don't care but thanks for the physics lesson.
Does Austin Papp sell his planes?
That's what he said in the video.
re-upload??
Yeah, I was confused as well.
Yes - The premier this afternoon just ended as they were talking.
I don't mean no harm but the English Woodworker has a video on building your own wooden hand planes. Sure, it's a laminated construction, it takes two days for the average woodworker to complete and it's rather tedious but hey, at least it ain't $400. If you have time and don't have money, it's a great idea to at least consider watching the video.
You might be missing the point. No one is suggesting that you need a $400 plane. I buy tools like this because I enjoy them and I like supporting the makers, not because they're cost effective. I've made about a million videos about affordable tools.
@@RexKrueger with all due respect, Rex, I think you're actually missing the point I'm making. Young woodworkers with little to no disposable income may look at this and feel pretty bummed about the price. My comment is merely meant to alleviate some of those feelings by pointing those who feel them towards a similar tool that only requires time and effort instead of money.
I understand the confusion I created by talking to a "you" but that "you" is definitely not you, Rex. This video was obviously a showcase of a product and of a "forgotten" craft, not an attempt to show a "cheat code" for good, cheap planes. For those looking for information about making these specific types of planes for cheap, my comment was meant to provide a pointer to what I found to be a good alternative to this awesome, yet expensive, wooden plane.
Now I see. I also love Richard's plane-making course.
I've never been so excited to skip the first 12 minutes of a new video
Why ?
Wasting all that talent on kitchen and bathroom remodeling! Glad to see Austin has not lost his humor and will to live, working for malcontent housewives. Killer planes and special FX!
Well, if Austin starts his own channel, I can cancel my subscription to Rex!
Why beech?
Because it's hard-wearing, fairly dense, diffuse porous, and (in England especially) plentiful and cheap. There are lots of other good woods, but beech tics all the boxes.
Austin's pompous tone doesn't really fit with the humble, sincere tone more typical of Rex's videos. I'm sure Austin is competent and knowledgeable, but I couldn't stand listening to him after about 5 min. To each their own though.