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I've seen people complaining that some players were playing rogue decks. Like "They weren't prepared for that". Everyone is just expecting everyone to have the tier 0 meta deck of the week for every match.
As someone with maxed out mannadium, no Kash, I want to part of these type people. 😂
As long as the rogue decks werent Branded, im chill 😂. Branded is like the worst gatekeeper of rogue decks vs Snake Eyes
@@traplover6357cope, branded forever
@@Saixjacket what do you play in replace of Kashtira cards?
@@michaellin295 im pretty much maining the crossout designators and playing staples and or non engine at lower numbers.
3x designator (since the best decks are running over 12 non engine staples these days so you have to fight fire with fire playing combo)
3x ECON (if you’re not playing this you are missing out)
3x ash (could be 2)
3x book of moon (obvious side deck choice that I like personally, this could be anything for a matchup or crossout targets, 2x nib 1x veiler or something)
1x droll and lock
1x imperm (could be 2)
1x called by the grave
I’m not saying don’t play the planets or kash cards, because they are good, just more droll and lock bird weakness, which the deck suffers under worse than any other.
The main deck core is pretty standard, no terraforming or reframing, those cards basically do nothing (reframing is fine if you are going first, I’m not assuming I’m winning the die roll)
2x visas
3x samsara
3x rium
3x Reich
3x meek
2x arrival
2x abscission
1x imaginings
1x ROTA
3x calarium
2x reichphobia
"having like 15 viable decks makes it hard because how do you pick which deck to play" wtf? that's literally where the fun and variety comes from just pick the deck *you like*
In a “high performance” setting it’s usually better to know who to gun for. That’s the norm and kinda the point. That doesn’t mean I don’t see your point because I’m in the same boat of enjoying the variety. On the other side it feels like the biggest target is snake eyes so idk if this meta is really that diverse. Point being we all want to the enjoy the game
You're speaking from more of a casual setting which is completely valid, but in higher level play having a ton of decks being good makes it hard to learn the matchups of all the decks
Farfa can't afford expensive decks because he actually pays his editors a livable wage o7
He also has a money sink in the form of a literal child 🎉
@@saraakthefgomaster7694that too plus the home remodel problems
@@saraakthefgomaster7694 Parents prefer to use the term "Accepted loss leaders" or "High Risk Investment" since "money sink" has such a negative connotation.
@@saraakthefgomaster7694 i tend to call them "missplays"
@@saraakthefgomaster7694calling a child a money sink is wild 😂
I want there to be, at any given meta, 8-10 viable decks. Screw the 'Hard to prepare for' nonsense, give me more chaos.
@distortedilluminations1328 Facts dude. Remember when Jeff Leonard Exodia’d someone at YCS? I’m pretty sure the opponent was smiling the entire time.
okay, but people hate a ton of decks that could win a YCS that format though.
The only good thing about the format is it does have a bit of variety, R-ACE, Pure or Unchained Lab, Unchained, Pure or Horus Tear, Infernoble, Branded Despia or Chimera, Purrely (Spright), Fire King, Centurion, Vanquish Soul, Dragon Link, Rikka, Kashtira, Runick variants, Mikanko, Mannadium, Floowandereeze. Not to mention rouge decks that sometimes top that might have potential.
However, even though these decks might play differently, for a lot of people, they just aren't fun to play against.
Edit: btw, the reason I don't group decks like plant piles with rogue decks is because they somehow somewhat consistently top.
@@acasualgameryt6978 Plants consistently top because people forget to consistently prep for it, I think.
Being able to play through any unknown chaos is what makes a player/deck good imo
@@Bergsen_Bun-sense There is a reason why when people talk about how diverse formats are good, they talk about a format from years ago (like TOSS or HAT) instead of the one just happened a few months ago. because it would make their arguments look bad.
Here are some of their complaints:
+ Tear is one of the top decks in that format.
+ Out of all the top decks, only Unchained is bearable.
+ Toxic decks like Infernoble were complained about by top players. Pak said he hated the format because of this, so he said he would become the problem. Josh also agreed with him, even saying that if he didn't go first against Pak, he would lose.
+ Overwhelming to side. This never got talked enough. When I ask people who like diverse formats why they hate this one, some said it is because Tear is one of the top decks. Then why wouldn't they just side a lot of their cards against Tear? Oh wait, they can’t. If they did that, how can they prepare for other decks? Despite shitting on pros for having the sentiment that they don’t like overwhelming diversity, people share the same sentiment that that format was bad.
And ppl were complaining about the format being "too diverse" lol
I play Digimon and we recently had a major tournament with ~343 players and we had over 15 viable decks.
Not sure why ppl complain about diversity when tier 0 is usually the only other recourse
(yeah I know triangle/TOSS-esque formats exist but the number of decks only go from 1 to 3 or 4)
The issue with wide formats in Yu-Gi-Oh is that all of the decks in a wide format each operate on an exceedingly different, unfun axis that usually ends in some flavour of "draw the out". Mannadium, Centurion, Branded, Drytron and 30 different stun decks are common and expected in a wide format, all win the game immediately and all require different outs to beat.
IshTear, while a tier 0 format, was infinitely more fun and accommodating to rogue decks than some wide formats
@@Rotomingtonactually wrong in all possible ways, wide formats allow more decks to be playable, more fun for anyone who doesn’t want to just play the same game billion times over and over and it actually takes away silver bullets witch makes non games by just winning by themselves, it can even bring more casuals and new players, everything about wide formats is better
@@Lizz413You contradicted yourself I your own response. Personally I like a little variety ie 2-4 decks being meta viable with some rouge under it over wide formats because I find it fun to play against the same decks over and iver so that I can learn to play efficiently vs them and for my opponent to play efficiently vs me. In wide formats it feels like the level of play goes down due to people needing to either tech in certain cards in their side board because they might run into something making it so I don't ever need to play around things and people don't have as much practice my deck so sometimes you just get someone because they didnt know your deck can do that. You can't say everything is better in wide formats when the subject of fun is well, subjective.
@@anthonyrodriguez9232you are getting low end ratiod my guy 😂
@@Saixjacket ??? wth are you talking about. You are just yapping lol
Pendulum (Pepe) was tier 0 for two weeks and was slaughtered. Now this shit is meta for months and Konami does nothing.
They do something when it would make them money
Most of Pepe's primary problem cards were mostly commons and/or uncommon cards that almost anyone could have gotten their hands on.
That's why Konami took action. Because if they let PEPE go on as long as they're letting decks like Snake Eyes go, then it would screw over sales of future cards
@tonberry2670 you nailed it. It also makes them way more money to release over powered high rarity cards and reprint way after the fact then once they've made their money then they limit a lotta the stuff. Idk why these yugisoomers just keep cracking open these packs. These players think Konami care about the state of the game?! Ha biggest copium ever
And that's exactly why Snake Eye won't get hit
Honestly, Konami TCG should just burn so that both formats are unified.
Waiting 6 monts/a year to get the stuff OCG plays with already just so Konami TCG can make a profit by looking at what's topping overseas and bumping up those cards' rarity is fucking cringe.
And the banlist is different because this delay in product release would end up with cards getting limited/banned before hitting TCG stores. You'd think they'd be fast to hit broken cards on the banlist if a deck has been tier 0 for six months in OCG already. But no, they let it slide for like three banlists to sell as many packs as possible, unless the tier 0 archetype is low rarity and you don't need to open that much to build a deck.
Konami TCG is a literal parasite to the game
Yep I agree. Thank you. Why take part in a game that is meant to have a roster of several decks/archetypes and then advocate that that roster should be cut down to 2 choices? Part of the appeal of cardgames is that there should be a sizeable amount of deck choices that appeal to a wide audience. It's supposed to be inviting people in to join and find something that appeals to them. Tier 0 formats suck because it doesn't do that. And you're gonna whine hard about probability and variance. Don't bother with a cardgame. Play chess or competitive videogames.
The Venn diagram based on smell alone can tell you that some Yugioh players just want the game to be Melee.
Competitive players are out of touch with casual that's all
@@axelt6312it goes both ways imo and i say this as a heavily casual player there needs to be a happy medium but i don’t see that happening any time soon i love having fun games with less meta stuff but at the same time i understand people liking the highly competitive aspects of the game i think the problem comes in when it comes to affordability i stopped playing because i can’t afford to keep up with the game
I remember when this new format started I told someone on a video "wow there is some Heavy Samurai on your hand trap deck" then he flipped the shit out and sent me an essay on how this was the optimal way to play modern Yugioh.
Holy moley they legit have just dropped multiple tier 0 back to vack formats nearly
Guess this must be konami attempting to kill Yu-Gi-Oh to focus on making pachinko machines
The silent hill situation all over again.
@@randombadchannel8700 "There are no Silent Hills in Ko-Na-mi." 🙂
I trade in antiques,
Just fyi: an antique Charleville 1777 musket that is verified to have been used in the army of Napleon (with all of the correct markings and dates) costs about 1400USD.
You can literally buy a musket that belonged to a soldier from Napoleons army for LESS than a Snake-Eye Deck. I know this because I've bought and sold multiple of them (and other simular antique muskets). Why anyone would still play Yu-Gi-Oh competitively at the moment is truly beyond me.
Imagine buying a Yugioh deck instead of a used car or pay for rent for 4-5 months. 😂
what i dislike is that the deck needs 10-20+ hand traps that has a bunch of non-synergy cards other than probably for cost or to link off for generic.
Playing 18 hand trap war mirrors isn't fun? Who could have guessed?
My locals has banned the snake eye deck since its a chill experience
That sounds pretty fun.
Actually interesting meta without it
@@MrJasonful Not sarcasm, genuine interest. What are the top decks without it? And what other interesting rogue decks come out?
@nharviala probably voiceless voice and maybe Kashtira?
@@nharvialaSince snake eyes isn't there I'd expect less anti grave cards so maybe tiaraments strongest. maybe?
The biggest problem with any Tier 0 format is that it's boring. Even if the best deck is $20, it doesn't matter if it's not fun.
But tear was fun
@@thatoneguy4101 For some people, but even MBT, who championed that format, got bored after a while.
The format can be fun, but the reason we're here and not playing chess is for variety.
Meanwhile I am enjoying playing blue eyes
@@thatoneguy4101tear wasn’t fun. I don’t know how playing solitaire and not letting someone play the game at all just off of 1 or two cards is fun. Tear was the worst format and caused a lot of people to stop playing. On top of the ugly card art tear was a horrible format.
I just don't understands people complaining that a format is "too diverse". Sometimes I'd like to NOT optimize the fun out of the format.
Diversity is NEVER a bad thing in card games. all the meta players who say that a format is too diverse needs to go play the Modern format of mtg for a while, and grow the heck up. yeah, you can't prepare for everything in those formats, because you should never be prepared for everything in a game like this. I actually hate yugioh rn. I just got back in the game 3 ish years ago and it's a load of bull that I have experienced both tear format and fire king format since I came back. This game was a lot of my childhood, and it's damn near unplayable now. at least in tear format I could play dragon link and absolutely obliterate any tear players I came across (I find it super funny that tear v dragons was like an 80% win rate for me). there isn't an answer like that in this format, and it's incredibly sad. if tear zero formats are going to take hold, at least print direct counters to the cards like with bystials and tears.
We need another "No Banlist" to see if Snake-Eye variants can perform well against Tearlaments and Zoodiac.
The answer against tear is... Nope.
When they got to tier 0 Lithium tested it full power vs Ishizu tear. Even with poor hands tear sweeped the floor of fire king snake eye.
Against zoodiac... I expect it to end on "who see better non engine" since both are fairly similar. Probably snake eye would win cause they can play through more hand traps than zoo.
Lithium did no banlist FK-SE vs Ishizu Tear, with the former having advantage in form of Maxx C.
Snake-Eye lost all 3 games.
The shufflers alone just kill snake eyes. Full power Ishizu Tear would body snake eyes
Finally scientist FTK
They can't beat tear because all of their removal besides sp is destruction based
The zoo matchup could be interesting since both decks play like 20 non engine, are extremely resilient to hand traps and have insane followup
I don't see snake eye breaking a board of udf and dweller, and zeus turbo isn't getting to zeus against both masq into sp and princess
Zoo can be played with basically any other archetype though and can run shifter, the latter would probably make the match a lot less fun then it should be
I played a tenth format locals today (not many people but I still had a lot of fun)
Everyone was playing a different deck and a mate lent me a piper chaos deck. Took me a while to get used to it but it’s fun.
I like diversity, so it was really awesome for me
And it’s why I don’t play modern or competitive lol
Farfa somehow managed to actually be funny in a few minutes.
The Canadian bit yeah, actual comedy 😂
Is there any way where you can stop your camera from shaking like theres earthquake magnitude 8 upwards going on ?
"Litterally just play fucking chess bro" But chess is a two player game and yugioh is a one player game.
Was it not like 3 months ago everyone hated the format for being too diverse?? 😭 what does this community want
it was a split in the community, where people (mostly top players) claimed they wanted the format to be closer to tier 0 than have 10+ decks be viable, with the argument that they didn't want to have to be ready for that many different decks. The rest of the folks were saying "no, that's not all that fun, we play yugioh for variety"
As you can see, snake eye/fire kings have basically demonstrated that people _do not_ like tier 0 as much as they thought they would, since this is arguably the 3rd tier 0 format in as many years, and unlike the "variety" formats, people are pretty much dropping like flies out of this one.
A loan from universal credit which is a service in the UK our government offers could range from approximately 300 to 600 so that means the deck that everybody competitively is running is more than what a service to help people in the UK offers 😂
Yugioh players really do operate under the sunk-cost fallacy.
2:43 well in the words of the great Christian Bale “Oh goooood for youuu”
And how was it? I hope it was good because it's fucking useless now, isn't it?
I fell out of physical YGO play during SPYRAL Format and yeah, a card game like this should never be so "solved" that people are naming card combos like they're chess moves.
bruh, why is your camera bouncing?
Am I the only one that couldn't focus because of all the cough medicine and etc on the window?
they need tiered formats for all kinds of archetypes.
I like tri formats or duo formats. Ie Swordsoul/Branded before POTE. They were more powerful than other decks, but rogue weren't out and plenty topped.
My locals last night, the ending of the night had the score looking like 1-4 for like 15 people straight and like 3 people topping with 4-1 or 5-0. Depressing, dude
I love your chill cozy reaction stuff you give off a relaxing vibe
Tier 0 format is BORING, its not Ygo yes it looks like it, but i don't know how to describe it, that is not Ygo, we know and love.
I just had a ragional yesterday. You literally can't stop the fire deck unless you absolutely stomp it on turn 1. They just keep going and going and going.
Nobody wants to innovate anymore. Everyone just complains until.shit changes. It's getting annoying.
There's quite a distance between 1 or 2 deck formats and 15+.
The issue people have with 15+ T1-2 deck formats is that games can turn into more of a rock paper scissors, where some decks you will just lose against, based on what you're playing and what your opponent is playing. You'd have to side deck specifically for the matchup in a way that prevents you from building your side deck to works against a wider variety of other decks, and still not give a great chance.
I think Farfa's middle ground was closer to the best formats; 2-3 Tier 1, 3-4 tier 2 (~6 total), and any number of rogue decks
I personally would *much* rather wider formats than a tier zero format any day of the week. Not that they are necessarily better, but for the love of the heart of the cards, let me play against *some* variety.
When can we say no to the zero format.
I really think that a fan-run Smogon esque format needs to be put in place here.
Fan run maybe but please anything but smogon-esque
It's funny how ocg and tcg can be vastly different.
At the same cardpool, fire engine has never been becoming tier 0 (only capped at high tier 1 around 45% representation) in OCG and way more affordable than TCG. I wonder why both of those thing happen tho.
The cost is mostly due to the fact that the ocg cards get printed at lower rarities.
Maxx C destroys Snake Eyes
There is a reason why Konami banned Circular before the Snake Eyes/Fire meta
TCG kills alternative good decks too early.
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This Tier-0 deck is great for competitive players. You can always be ready to beat your opponent with your counter cards (just pray you draw it at the right time). You can find the best deck to play easily. This can be a great filter because poor players will perform poorly with their poor deck.
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Also, this Tier-0 in YGO always feels like Chess, but sometimes player A starts with a Queen but player B doesn't, also player A can move 5 times before player B does anything. As a person who loves chess, the experience is cloooose enough.
"One MF playing Kash with Shifter"... yeah.. that's me...
I combine speedroids with timelords and kaiju
Ban list hit! Snake eye's right where Konami wants it apparently. RIP generic synchros though hahaha
I will gladly take snake eye format over tear any day lol
People playing solitaire on my turn: ❌️
Snakey bois who just dont die: ✅️
I’d stay with tearshisu but that’s a pet deck thing
@@aidenharris5296 It's not old enough nor unpopular enough to be considered a "pet deck".
@@Cybertech134 no tearshisu isn’t my pet deck my pet deck just goes extends with return to hand effects which makes it counter teirsisu in a way
@@aidenharris5296 Ah, I know what you mean by that. My pet deck was Crystron during the first Sky Striker era cause their link arrows were fair and allowed me to keep making big synchro plays as well as the trap giving targeting protection.
Yo stevie.
Quick question: who do you still edit for? Tried checking your site but I only got old projects so wondering if you have any new guest edits.
Cheers
Nux Taku p sure
By any chance are you a gambler?
i couldnt stop watching your camera bouncing lmao
i bet when ever konami doesn't make money on the pachi slots they pump out an expensive set.
i knew this was gonna happened months ago XD. idk why yugioh players complain anymore
The reason why they won't move to chess is because YGO (and all TCGs to some extent) are pay to win. "Pro" YGO players would have to actually git gud at chess.
down with snake eyes whats sad is thats all im playing against on the current formate mostly im loving archfiend ft bystial this deck alone is keeping me playing master duel dont get me started on this heavy hand traps meta also but konami pls do somthing im begging here already
White: Scotch
Black: Modern
im tired of this sweat at my locals hes so bad he bought a 1k deck and lost to frightfur wild...
I love my floo. Forever cute birds
Farfa is incapable of being right, but continue.
love this video
Heyy Fara i gave you that Nib token, i hope you use it bro! also super chill guy irl
I fucking hate Farfa
God, im getting dizzy. Secure your camera please.
Now now hear me out, what if instead of banning or limiting snake eyes deck which lets be honest what konami do its unlikely will give snake eyes deck a needed nerf considering some of its playmaker that makes the deck good are still relatively new card so the chance konami will ban them is low, we just released some of the card in the banlist so there will be deck strong enough to beat it and hence diversified the format. For example what if we unbanned kitkallos, maybe tear will be stroung enough to combat it and makes the format nota tier zero format. What if we unbanned block dragon maybe adamancipator will be coming back and storng enough to rival snake eyes , hell lets u hint some of floos card( even though i di wtf floo can do against snake eyes) so there will be fire , water, wind, and earth deck that are viabel and lets called it avatar format. ( No this is definitely not a propaganda to make my girl kitkallos and my boi block dragon back)
I too wish to hedge my bets while gambling with rocks. Unlock the block
Unban kitkallos, release agido-kelbek and shufflers. Surely this will change the meta (clueless)
Or just bring back vfd and zexal so no one has any fun
We know why alot of stuff has gotten effected, gotta sell thoese packs!
Which is just terrible because the shufflers could keep snake eyes in check because you just loop there stuff back into the deck thereby stopping any form of interaction just enough.
But hey can't have that gotta tier 0 pack selling!
honestly while unlikely that would be a unconventional strategy that could work create a new triangle format
Great video for once, you bastards 😂
or maybe the TCG should stop being a baby and unban the C or limit every combo decks 1 card starter 🤣
I feel like people complaining about floodgates are mostly the people who spend a lot on the game and complain about an old cheap card coming back and just saying no to their decks. Like these old cards werent good till konami release more and more expensive cards. Ya it stops everyone and sucks but i just personally feel like someone who spent 2k on a deck complaining about a $1 card stopping their whole play is a rich person complain about a mcdonald worker for forgetting to remove the picks from their burger
Idk i think it's more the fact they don't play the deck but you tell me
The meta decks are the ones running the Floodgates, do you even play this game??
@@MobiusMundUr Ya but look when those cards become more relevant, when people play these meta decks get more and more ridiculous and they are always the pricy decks. No one played deck lockout, no one played summon limit, no one played these floodgates as heavy and no one complains more about them than meta sheep
@@FireDragon3131 playing a rogue deck doesn't protect you from getting Floodgated. Playing a meta deck doesn't prevent you from using Floodgates. Having an expensive deck doesn't magically mean you're not allowed use Floodgates. They negatively impact the cheaper decks too.
@@MobiusMundUr who said any of this, stick to what i am saying. I am saying ya floodgates are a thing and hit everyone, but people who spend 3k on a meta deck will complain more because their decks get beat by a $1 card than the rogue player who didn't spend much on their deck. You are playing rogue, you already know you may not be able to play against the best deck most of the time. Meta players never expect they are going to lose because their decks can make all these negates and stuff and they lose to a single card. I tell them cry about it, they see how it feels to be locked out by a single card. Do i think floodgates are healthy, nope, but i also don't think these modern decks are healthy for the game either especially when they don't get hit as often till a year or two later when the next 3k deck comes and we get 3 years of it instead
Its the same thing every format ban this ban that format is so bad the same thing is gonna happen with the next deck people need to stop complaining we act like this hasn't happen time and time again
No, people just leave the hame because its not fun to play, cards are expensive, and your whole deck can get banned/nered into unplayability with no warning.
Just because it happened before, doesn't make it ok
9:01 hard disagree. for me, the worst formats and metas in EVERY game i ever played were formats that had 15+ viable options. formats like that require you to dedicate TOO much time to the game if you wanna be good. good for spectators, but miserable to play cause you’re CONSTANTLY stressed about your next matchup and end up losing cause this one dude played something you’ve never had the chance to play against before. 3-4 top tiers with 3-6 good rogues is the sweet spot.
Agreed. I don’t know why people think being blindsided is fun.
It's called skill.
If your good at the game and your deck doesn't matter what your playing with you can adapt and win no matter what.
And wanting a format that's chess ain't it.
Awful take. Skill issue
@@Pliskin88 cept it is a skill issue if you can't handle more then 2 decks, this isn't about 'drawing the out' or anything this is literally a 'if you can't prep yourself enough for a high level event to throw curveballs at you' then it is a litteral skill issue
Womp womp
It’s always the streamers/youtubers with zero tops that think diverse formats is ideal competitive yugioh.
Tops don't make you correct about how the game should be, only that you've become efficient at how the game is.
I'll say it... Farfa looks better than ever 🐔👍
homie you doing alright? thats a lot of nyquil, dayquil, and peptobismol lmaoooo