Just got a start lock pick set and I've been picking locks left and right. Then I stumbled onto this bad boy. So I'm having trouble so I thought why not look it up and found this video. When it took LPL 2 minutes to pick I knew it was time to shelf this lock for now.
@@Dane-bootsNcatsN although these are a little tougher to single pin pick, they're super easy to rake open. I wouldn't trust it with my tools at all. I had one of these cores on my front door and raked it open first try in just a couple seconds...thats a criminals dream lock. Bosnian Bill has a video on his channel where he demonstrates how easily they're raked (which is the first thing a criminal would try) with zero skill, effort, or time involved. Watch his video and I guarantee that you won't trust this lock anymore haha.
@@brianfreland9065 if you’re talking about the video he uploaded six years ago, you would know that maybe then this was an issue, but by now things are different. Kwikset has changed the design of the smartkey lock since then and that likely isn’t a problem anymore. Also bosnianbill has a video from three years ago where he said how he could not pick a newer model smartkey lock. In the case of your lock at home, you likely had one of those original models that had the raking vulnerability, but a smartkey lock from today probably can’t be raked open.
That's a really great idea! Just getting into the support, myself. I got one of the Covert Instruments' pin and tumbler practice locks and so I'm able to repin it result and choose from 1 to 6 pins. But this would be a cool lock to have to provide a bunch of different brings fit the office of one... Plus the keys you'd need, I suppose, to rekey it.
We had a locksmith come and remove one of these locks and it took him an hour and a half which included the 20 minutes he spent angle grinding it. LPL needs to have a locksmith academy
After finally getting this lock, I understand just how good you are. Fantastic job! Took me an hour to understand the false gates, and another 30 min for a successful pick.
Exciting picking and smart lock. Fantastic mechanism to make locks key alike. But when you manged to get it picked then you can make it work with your key - haha that would be a surprise for the owner ;-)
+Potti314 Thanks. Even better, if you pick the lock, then insert a tool in the slot, it will set each position to max depth, such that the core is free spinning!
@@lockpickinglawyer Actually if you reset it in that way you actually break the lock, no key would work with it even a blank key would work with it. Then the ONLY way to reset it would be to get the core outta it and use the Kwikset Reset Cradle to reset it. That is as long as the shackle is open if its closed and you reset it without a key you may as well throw it in the garbage... But the reset cradle is a nifty little tool you can still rekey the lock no matter what key was used to key it, the reset cradle is designed to bypass any key used to key the locks! The Cons to doing this is you have to dismantle the lock down to its core, as only the core will fit in the reset cradle.
@@tamalodg196 Being riveted together, getting the core out to fix it would basically destroy the lock. If you break it by resetting the core as described, better just to chuck it in the bucket and buy a new one. :(
@@mannys9130 The first generation ones come without the rivet!! I have one even, the company forgot to put the rivet in it... Plus using a dremel with a tiny drill bit you could EASILY drill the Rivet out... Yes i know the rivet your talking about but first you'd have to drill out the core which would be teatious, and you would have to be careful not to damage the other parts of the padlock, but you need to get to the release mechanism located on the inside of the lock to release the shackle. Then you could open the lock and then drill the rivet out that holds the core, then you could unlock it so you could insert a new core into it... Any smartkey core would fit into this lock there nothing special about them you'd just have to buy a handleset and use the core from that... You do need a special tool however to pop the core piece out of the handle, it's called a Cylinder Removal Tool and you can get them very cheaply or if you have seen it online you could probably make your own. But yeah the cores are universal so they would fit in a padlock... So yeah you could fix them if you didn't want to buy a whole new lock your just need to get your hands onto another SmartKey core...
@@tamalodg196 if im not wrong there is a way to reset it as long as you can get the core out ....though it involves gutting the entire thing and being very carefull as you finagle it to work....
Ive been wathcing your videos for a while now. i know this video is old. my wife got me a lockpicking set for fathers day. and a few locks. i popped all my master locks. but i got this lock today and told her that i needed to see if LPL had done this on video. boy am i out of my league on this lock. wont give up tho! thank you for your videos, you've inspired me to pick up a new hobby and im loving it!
I actually saw this at the hardware store recently and my first thought was "pick resistant, I wonder how long it took lockpickinglawyer to open" and I now know the answer is 2 minutes.
These cylinders give me fits. I have the visual reader but I need more practice with it. You have encouraged me to try SDP again. Again thanks for schooling a gray-beard locksmith.
cracking lock, never even heard of it before but a very neat idea. also love how you analyse the true gates like that to figure out how to tell when its set
Hi Harry, We don't see these locks Downunder - as far as I know - but according to a web site I'm on, the locksmiths in the U.S. use a large collection of try out keys, all cut to half depths to open them. The other way apparently is to force a large screwdriver into the keyway, and using vice grip pliers on the blade, turn the plug, crushing the sliders. Your method makes a lot of sense, and is similar to the way we pick high security lever locks with serrations or false gates. Good to watch, and well done as usual. Regards, Brian.
+Brian Hignett Thanks. I had never heard of the tryout key method... any word on how effective that is? How big a set of tryout keys are we talking about? The sidebar has a tapered engagement point, so if you get the slider near the true gate it will fall in (allowing use of half cuts). By using the half cuts, I think the math works out to roughly 250 keys... Clever use of the MACs could make the number a bit smaller, but not much because of the half-cuts... so still over 200 keys. That's a great deal of trying out! I'm definitely familiar with the force method. My understanding is that you need to raise all of the sliders to the highest position by inserting the cut off end of a key blank, and then apply a great deal of turning force with a wrench. There's some videos on YT featuring a custom tool for this (look up "Smart/Dumb Key Force Tool). I also recall hearing that it only works on the early versions of this lock (something about a slider and sidebar redesign, and stronger slider material). In any case, the force method is destructive to the inside of the lock. Sometimes, the lock continues to work for a brief time, but the rekey feature is gone forever and the lock will fail, so it needs to be replaced immediately after doing it.
+LockPickingLawyer Hi Harry, Hadn't really looked into these locks, as we don't see them. Had a look at the T bar force tool, then went to the Locksmithing site. 254 try out keys with a claimed success rate of 95%. Another locksmith is using 32 keys, with 30% success rate - not good, then he drills. I guess in the real world of lockouts, and under pressure of an unhappy customer, picking maybe difficult, but then again so can pin tumbler lock picking. I wouldn't like to stand there trying 250 odd keys - you've shown they can be picked - with practice. I guess it means how professional you want to appear in front of the public. You are inspirational! Regards, Brian.
+Brian Hignett Thanks. You always bring great information and perspective to the discussion. I would be quite surprised if locksmiths were picking locks like this in the field for a couple reasons. First, it's not particularly easy under controlled/desktop circumstances. I'd imagine picking under pressure, in an awkward position, and with a customer breathing down your neck (maybe in freezing weather with numb fingers also), would be brutal. But a customer would not see it that way... if you attempted and failed to pick it, they would (quite wrongly) see the locksmith as incompetent. Second, for a locksmith, it seems to me that there isn't much incentive to pick locks like this... the unpaid time investment is huge, and the "reward" is that the locksmith makes less money on a lockout call. In that regard, consider that the alternative is drilling the lock, then selling the customer a new lock cylinder or set, spending the time to replace the cylinder (or lockset), along with rekeying and key cutting services. That adds up to quite a bill! Where's the incentive to pick? Maybe I'm being too cynical. I'm sure there are some locksmiths with a sense of professionalism and pride in their mastery of a craft such that they would rather pick the lock, but to be perfectly frank, we don't see much of that around here. The professional locksmith is quickly being replaced with truck-based rip-off artists in the US... it is really a disturbing state of affairs. Well, I seem to have gone off on a tangent. Thanks again.
Did you ever get it? I still can't feel any of the feedback that he is talking about in this video. Every wafer has full range of movement when I push up on it. I can't find one that binds up or anything.
@@Plant_Parenthood No. I tried mine several times with absolutely NO feedback. I cant feel anything at all. No pins bind. I am baffled by it. I even tried extreme tension, still nothing. I dont know if they changed something what.
Recently watched a video where this was picked with a rake very easily, quite impressed you were able to pick it the way you did! Truly shows experience and finesse
certified to resist picking for 10 mins? lol I'd love to read your mind at that moment.. well done , don't think they would be to happy with you lol...
+tonyholt90 Well, to their credit, these locks were challenging for me until I busted one of them apart a noodled out a method for picking them. Conceptually, they are not too different from the TuBar, Desmo, EVVA DPI, and other slider/sidebar locks. But once I planned my approach, execution of the theory isn't too bad.
When shackle is open you can insert tool and remove cylinder -- love your stuff -- Abus Vitess was great. In Abus USA version pin 1 key pin (special pin) ALWAYS is same so #1 key bitting is ALWAYS the same
Yeah after watching him I only use these locks now all set up to one key... Also you can set it so the key needs to only be in some of the way so if someone gets your key and puts it all the way inside it still doesn't work... So 😎
The beginning versions of this lock you could get the cores out because Kwikset made a flaw, they left out the inside tiny pressed in roll pin that holds the bar inside the lock in the locked position... But if you had a earlier version you could just pull that tiny bar out and the core would drop right outta it, but Kwikset fixed this flaw on newer versions... But this pin was under the shackle so if it was locked there was no way you could get access to the tiny unlock bar... But like I say it's useless to even look in later models as they fixed this and now there's a pressed in roll pin that prevents you from getting the core out, however you could probably drill out the roll pin if you really wanted to get the core out...
+chris oates Thanks -- to be honest, I was a little surprised how fast the number climbed. It wasn't that long ago that I was doubting that the number would ever pass 100.
The problem with these padlock is they gradually lose their keying so the key won't open them anymore. That's why I'm here. Kwikset doesn't make them anymore.
I had one of these stop working, leaving me stuck (so lesson one, don't use these). So I, totally unskilled, tried a physical attack. I was amazed to have this lock open in a mere 5 seconds (so lesson two, don't use these).
New to picking and have one of these locks from work. I'm having a lot of trouble with this lock compared to other old locks I snatched instead of throwing out. Do you have a recommended lock that would better prepare me to pick this one? I can feel each pin, but I'm not feeling much difference between them.
Please do a video using the Lishi kw1 or kw5. I’m interested to see if I will be able to pick the smartkey cylinders easier with the Lishi tool. Thanks! Always love your videos.
2:05 There would be pretty simple design change that could fix this attack. If the sidebar touching the slider were shaped like the bottom of letter H and true gate were wide enough to fit the whole H but false gates were spikes that go between the legs of H, the false gates and true gate would have equal width (assuming that the space between the spike and the legs of H were equal to true gate tolerance to whole width of H. That wouldn't prevent picking, though. Just make it a bit harder. You could still differentiate between false gate and true gate by detecting binding slider. Because true gate cannot cause slider to bind (there's no such thing as zero tolerance true gate), any slider that binding by sidebar tensioning is in false gate.
Bought one today and in screwing around with the lock changing technology (putting the key only partway in and then resetting it just for giggles), I screwed myself and for whatever reason the key won't work. So now I have no choice but to pick it. I have a bit of experience picking locks, but you didn't mention how much tension you use here?
I can’t seem to hold Top of the Keyway Tension! It keeps slipping out. Are the many different thicknesses of pry bars? I bought a Sparrows complete pick set but the thicknesses do not vary much. Any suggestions?
nice pick.. had a deadbolt somewhere or traded off but do have one of the change tools kit here lol.. almost bought 1 of the padlocks at Home Depot but talked myself out of it lol
+Zombie Lock Thanks... the padlock ins't so bad for low security applications. it certainly is a pick of above average difficulty, and the convenience of being able to program the lock to, for example, your house key, is really pretty nice.
Awesome PS:I saw the cylinder rotate rearward as you picked the wafers.Does this mean that you will you experience counterrotation as you move from one gate to another?
I was all set to buy a couple of these, until I saw numerous purchaser feedbacks (Home Depot website) reporting that cylinder froze shortly after having been rekeyed. No explanation of why or how, but the comments imply that the sliders did not hold the rekeying repositioning. All of the reports were dated 2015, and in some cases Quikset apparently replaced the locks. Any input as to problem, cure or whether design was changed to eliminate this problem?
These cylinders randomly fail and rekey themselves. Avoid SmartKey if you can. Seemed like a great plan but it didn't work out but that hasn't stopped them from selling tons of them. I can't church it up. These are crap.
Look inside the shackle hole. See that roll pin? If it sticks up enough just pull it out with pliers and you can then move that slider towards the outside of the lock and the core will drop right out. The early locks didn't have the roll pin in there and the could could easily just drop out.
+mresurm Thank! I'll check that out. I played with everything down the shackle hole trying to open it up, but couldn't figure it out. Much appreciated!
if you want the new core get the uptown or downtown style deadbolt they are brand new styles so they will have the new core. it will say ”new advanced smart key technology” on the back of the package also if it's the new core
Maybe it's just me, but I would think one of the essential features of any lock against picking would be to be able to remove any kind of markings, logos, anything that tells anyone which kind of lock they are dealing with. Or am I missing something?
I know there's no easy way to gut this padlock, but I'm curious if this was the old design or the updated version that is being sold today. They changed the way the sidebar is retained. Supposedly (according to a picker on youtube who has a "pick and gut" of an old one) the new design makes it such that you can't get tension on the pins because of the bar. I don't know why you couldn't just pick the bar. Anyways, I'm a noob and I've been trying to pick this new style of SmartKey and have had no luck really setting more than one pin because of the sidebar. I would love it if someone much better than me made a video about it!
They can often require some counter rotation, but not in the traditional sense... its more like tightening the tension and letting the slider slip a bit. It might be helpful to take a few of the sliders out and practice on one that's not fully "pinned" up.
I have this lock. Love it. But some how I was trying to Rekey it and messed up the pins to where no key works in it now. How can I Rekey this lock without a working key?
+Papa Gleb Thanks. The mechanism is very different from the U Change. The U change is a standard pin tumbler lock, with telescoping key pins that can be locked at 4 different levels. They are pretty easy to pick. In contrast, the Smartkey is a slider/sidebar design, and with the false gates, it is much harder to pick IMO.
+LockPickingLawyer that's all I needed to know. I have one of these but wasn't sure which and now I know. I don't know how you picked yours cause mine has nothing binding from the get go regardless of tension. Tried it all. It was a year ago so perhaps I should revisit it
FANTASTIC video and picking Sir. I have a master version of one of those and for some reason the key will not work at all in it now and not sure why and when trying to pick it had no joy the other year so just left it in my picking box. I found it strange when looking in key way as pins looked like wafers but cannot remember as was that long ago I played with it.
+waddac2 Thanks. I'll have to pick up a used rim cylinder (pretty common in the US) and do another video with a gutting so you can see all the innards. It will be a bit of a PITA though, because these are complex little locks! You should definitely revisit your lock... its just a matter of finding the firmly bound slider and pushing it up in a controlled manner, one gate at a time. Once you get the hang of that, they open pretty fast. Good luck.
+LockPickingLawyer Thanks, I will give it a try when I next have some time to play with it as work at the moment is stopping me picking due to hours etc :o(
I just picked this lock up tonight from ACE. It was the only one and I figured why not? I just found out this lock is a lot different than what I'm used to from regular pin tumblers like my Master Locks and ABUS locks.
I just bought one of these locks new in package and have not been able to rake it open. I changed its biting and still no luck raking like BB did in his video.
Hilarious........why do we bother locking things! Can you tell me how to reset the combination on a Laurentide Safe? Lost the combo for it but luckily it's OPEN!
After watching this… what’s the point of locking your doors and gates. Might as well weld and blow torch the door every time you come in to the house 😂
Very cool picking! I would advice anybody that values what they are locking up DO NOT buy this lock. It is garbage on a forced entry attack. "wafers" are frail. I have work will these lock many times.
+LOST FOUND Thanks. As for the forced entry, the early versions of this lock were pretty bad, as can be seen on a few TH-cam videos. Later versions are significantly improved in resisting the force attack... sidebar redesign and new slider material.
I don't know how many times I've watched videos on this lock. Still can't get an open. Pretty sure the trick is in the tensioning. Just watched it while looking at nothing but his finger applying tension. Still no open. Great padlock. LPL makes it look easy, IT'S NOT.
have u checked out the qtactical smartkey decoder? i just got one. lockpicks.com now has them....would love to seee a video on it.. im practicing with mine
![[153] Kwikset SmartKey Rim Cylinder Picked and Gutted](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/l0q0hNHZYsg/mqdefault.jpg)
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![[626] A Pick Proof Master Lock? ALMOST!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jgWS4TdLFAE/mqdefault.jpg)
The amount of time it took the LPL to pick this lock makes me feel comfortable owning one.
Just got a start lock pick set and I've been picking locks left and right. Then I stumbled onto this bad boy. So I'm having trouble so I thought why not look it up and found this video. When it took LPL 2 minutes to pick I knew it was time to shelf this lock for now.
Yeah me too i just bought one and looked up the video. Happy its protecting my tools
@@Dane-bootsNcatsN although these are a little tougher to single pin pick, they're super easy to rake open. I wouldn't trust it with my tools at all. I had one of these cores on my front door and raked it open first try in just a couple seconds...thats a criminals dream lock. Bosnian Bill has a video on his channel where he demonstrates how easily they're raked (which is the first thing a criminal would try) with zero skill, effort, or time involved. Watch his video and I guarantee that you won't trust this lock anymore haha.
@@brianfreland9065 if you’re talking about the video he uploaded six years ago, you would know that maybe then this was an issue, but by now things are different. Kwikset has changed the design of the smartkey lock since then and that likely isn’t a problem anymore. Also bosnianbill has a video from three years ago where he said how he could not pick a newer model smartkey lock. In the case of your lock at home, you likely had one of those original models that had the raking vulnerability, but a smartkey lock from today probably can’t be raked open.
Less than 2 minutes? Really
Currently using this as a training lock. Being able to change the biting combined with the amount of finesse needed makes this a beast.
That's a really great idea! Just getting into the support, myself. I got one of the Covert Instruments' pin and tumbler practice locks and so I'm able to repin it result and choose from 1 to 6 pins. But this would be a cool lock to have to provide a bunch of different brings fit the office of one... Plus the keys you'd need, I suppose, to rekey it.
We had a locksmith come and remove one of these locks and it took him an hour and a half which included the 20 minutes he spent angle grinding it. LPL needs to have a locksmith academy
Grinder untrained man's lock picking tool
The skills he has are really high. I don’t think many can do what he does.
Does it in just under 2 minutes "A little less than 10 minutes...." So humble :)
Kwikset: "Certified to resist picking for at least 10 minutes."
LPL: "I'll be the judge of that."
LPL: "Hold my beer"
LPL: (Makes a 5 min video.)
Nah, just the lawyer.
After finally getting this lock, I understand just how good you are. Fantastic job! Took me an hour to understand the false gates, and another 30 min for a successful pick.
Exciting picking and smart lock. Fantastic mechanism to make locks key alike. But when you manged to get it picked then you can make it work with your key - haha that would be a surprise for the owner ;-)
+Potti314 Thanks. Even better, if you pick the lock, then insert a tool in the slot, it will set each position to max depth, such that the core is free spinning!
@@lockpickinglawyer Actually if you reset it in that way you actually break the lock, no key would work with it even a blank key would work with it. Then the ONLY way to reset it would be to get the core outta it and use the Kwikset Reset Cradle to reset it. That is as long as the shackle is open if its closed and you reset it without a key you may as well throw it in the garbage... But the reset cradle is a nifty little tool you can still rekey the lock no matter what key was used to key it, the reset cradle is designed to bypass any key used to key the locks! The Cons to doing this is you have to dismantle the lock down to its core, as only the core will fit in the reset cradle.
@@tamalodg196 Being riveted together, getting the core out to fix it would basically destroy the lock. If you break it by resetting the core as described, better just to chuck it in the bucket and buy a new one. :(
@@mannys9130 The first generation ones come without the rivet!! I have one even, the company forgot to put the rivet in it...
Plus using a dremel with a tiny drill bit you could EASILY drill the Rivet out... Yes i know the rivet your talking about but first you'd have to drill out the core which would be teatious, and you would have to be careful not to damage the other parts of the padlock, but you need to get to the release mechanism located on the inside of the lock to release the shackle. Then you could open the lock and then drill the rivet out that holds the core, then you could unlock it so you could insert a new core into it... Any smartkey core would fit into this lock there nothing special about them you'd just have to buy a handleset and use the core from that...
You do need a special tool however to pop the core piece out of the handle, it's called a Cylinder Removal Tool and you can get them very cheaply or if you have seen it online you could probably make your own.
But yeah the cores are universal so they would fit in a padlock...
So yeah you could fix them if you didn't want to buy a whole new lock your just need to get your hands onto another SmartKey core...
@@tamalodg196 if im not wrong there is a way to reset it as long as you can get the core out ....though it involves gutting the entire thing and being very carefull as you finagle it to work....
Ive been wathcing your videos for a while now. i know this video is old. my wife got me a lockpicking set for fathers day. and a few locks. i popped all my master locks. but i got this lock today and told her that i needed to see if LPL had done this on video. boy am i out of my league on this lock. wont give up tho! thank you for your videos, you've inspired me to pick up a new hobby and im loving it!
I always thought opening these was sheer luck! Thanks for showing me this!
+Marcel Pare Thanks... it is a matter of luck, so long as you make your own. :-P
1:26 *moves mouse to reveal we're over a minute into a 5 minute video*
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WELP.
I actually saw this at the hardware store recently and my first thought was "pick resistant, I wonder how long it took lockpickinglawyer to open" and I now know the answer is 2 minutes.
Oh my goodness i just did that today while out getting myself some locks to start practicing on lol.
Based on how good you are, I'm actually impressed with these.
These cylinders give me fits. I have the visual reader but I need more practice with it. You have encouraged me to try SDP again. Again thanks for schooling a gray-beard locksmith.
cracking lock, never even heard of it before but a very neat idea. also love how you analyse the true gates like that to figure out how to tell when its set
+Steensy Thanks. This method works for a great number of slider/sidebar locks, including the TuBar, Desmo and EVVA DPI.
+LockPickingLawyer yea i seen you use the same trick on the demo vid which made it very informative for me
Kwikset: "Certified to resist picking for at least 10 minutes."
LPL: "Hold my beer, I laugh in your face because of your bold statement."
Knew he was going to pick it in under 10 minutes. Watched the entire video anyway. He's. Just. That. Good.
Hi Harry, We don't see these locks Downunder - as far as I know - but according to a web site I'm on, the locksmiths in the U.S. use a large collection of try out keys, all cut to half depths to open them. The other way apparently is to force a large screwdriver into the keyway, and using vice grip pliers on the blade, turn the plug, crushing the sliders. Your method makes a lot of sense, and is similar to the way we pick high security lever locks with serrations or false gates. Good to watch, and well done as usual. Regards, Brian.
+Brian Hignett Thanks. I had never heard of the tryout key method... any word on how effective that is? How big a set of tryout keys are we talking about? The sidebar has a tapered engagement point, so if you get the slider near the true gate it will fall in (allowing use of half cuts). By using the half cuts, I think the math works out to roughly 250 keys... Clever use of the MACs could make the number a bit smaller, but not much because of the half-cuts... so still over 200 keys. That's a great deal of trying out! I'm definitely familiar with the force method. My understanding is that you need to raise all of the sliders to the highest position by inserting the cut off end of a key blank, and then apply a great deal of turning force with a wrench. There's some videos on YT featuring a custom tool for this (look up "Smart/Dumb Key Force Tool). I also recall hearing that it only works on the early versions of this lock (something about a slider and sidebar redesign, and stronger slider material). In any case, the force method is destructive to the inside of the lock. Sometimes, the lock continues to work for a brief time, but the rekey feature is gone forever and the lock will fail, so it needs to be replaced immediately after doing it.
+LockPickingLawyer Hi Harry, Hadn't really looked into these locks, as we don't see them. Had a look at the T bar force tool, then went to the Locksmithing site. 254 try out keys with a claimed success rate of 95%. Another locksmith is using 32 keys, with 30% success rate - not good, then he drills. I guess in the real world of lockouts, and under pressure of an unhappy customer, picking maybe difficult, but then again so can pin tumbler lock picking. I wouldn't like to stand there trying 250 odd keys - you've shown they can be picked - with practice. I guess it means how professional you want to appear in front of the public. You are inspirational! Regards, Brian.
+Brian Hignett Thanks. You always bring great information and perspective to the discussion. I would be quite surprised if locksmiths were picking locks like this in the field for a couple reasons. First, it's not particularly easy under controlled/desktop circumstances. I'd imagine picking under pressure, in an awkward position, and with a customer breathing down your neck (maybe in freezing weather with numb fingers also), would be brutal. But a customer would not see it that way... if you attempted and failed to pick it, they would (quite wrongly) see the locksmith as incompetent. Second, for a locksmith, it seems to me that there isn't much incentive to pick locks like this... the unpaid time investment is huge, and the "reward" is that the locksmith makes less money on a lockout call. In that regard, consider that the alternative is drilling the lock, then selling the customer a new lock cylinder or set, spending the time to replace the cylinder (or lockset), along with rekeying and key cutting services. That adds up to quite a bill! Where's the incentive to pick? Maybe I'm being too cynical. I'm sure there are some locksmiths with a sense of professionalism and pride in their mastery of a craft such that they would rather pick the lock, but to be perfectly frank, we don't see much of that around here. The professional locksmith is quickly being replaced with truck-based rip-off artists in the US... it is really a disturbing state of affairs. Well, I seem to have gone off on a tangent. Thanks again.
+LockPickingLawyer Hi Harry, you have a knack of getting a handle on things .... you have summed it up perfectly! Regards, Brian.
Another example of Kwikset (Kwikpick) lock quality! Great pick,as usual.
+Peter M Thanks, though to be fair, this lock is MUCH harder to pick than any Kwikset I've encountered before.
LockPickingLawyer: "Hopefully we can open it up in less than ten minutes."
Me: Checks video length:
Video length 5:19
I keep watching this hoping it will help me pick my new one. I am surprised at how tough it is for me. But happy to be able to learn from it.
Did you ever get it?
I still can't feel any of the feedback that he is talking about in this video.
Every wafer has full range of movement when I push up on it. I can't find one that binds up or anything.
@@Plant_Parenthood No. I tried mine several times with absolutely NO feedback. I cant feel anything at all. No pins bind. I am baffled by it. I even tried extreme tension, still nothing. I dont know if they changed something what.
@@AlbertLebel Well, I feel a bit better now, knowing it's not just me.
Still a bit frustrated though!
@@Plant_Parenthood Ya same here. Not sure I ever had a lock that gave me ZERO feedback. I cant set something I cant feel
Recently watched a video where this was picked with a rake very easily, quite impressed you were able to pick it the way you did! Truly shows experience and finesse
Yes B Bill raked one open but I wore the humps off rakes trying myself with zero success. Your millage may vary.
certified to resist picking for 10 mins? lol I'd love to read your mind at that moment.. well done , don't think they would be to happy with you lol...
+tonyholt90 Well, to their credit, these locks were challenging for me until I busted one of them apart a noodled out a method for picking them. Conceptually, they are not too different from the TuBar, Desmo, EVVA DPI, and other slider/sidebar locks. But once I planned my approach, execution of the theory isn't too bad.
When shackle is open you can insert tool and remove cylinder -- love your stuff -- Abus Vitess was great. In Abus USA version pin 1 key pin (special pin) ALWAYS is same so #1 key bitting is ALWAYS the same
I've heard this, but can't get it to work on this lock. I had no idea about pin#1. Great to know. Thanks.
That was awesome brother. Making it look easy as always lol great video!
One of these was included with a set of SmartKey door handles and locks, I like that I can key it to match my doors.
Yeah after watching him I only use these locks now all set up to one key... Also you can set it so the key needs to only be in some of the way so if someone gets your key and puts it all the way inside it still doesn't work... So 😎
What about the new redesigned model?
The beginning versions of this lock you could get the cores out because Kwikset made a flaw, they left out the inside tiny pressed in roll pin that holds the bar inside the lock in the locked position... But if you had a earlier version you could just pull that tiny bar out and the core would drop right outta it, but Kwikset fixed this flaw on newer versions... But this pin was under the shackle so if it was locked there was no way you could get access to the tiny unlock bar... But like I say it's useless to even look in later models as they fixed this and now there's a pressed in roll pin that prevents you from getting the core out, however you could probably drill out the roll pin if you really wanted to get the core out...
Awesome Video!! You beat the hell out of that 10 minute rule!!!!
+PickME 1977 Thanks.
very impressive, I saw the quickset competition and only 2 people got it in under 2 min. good job
+Random Interesting. Tell me about this competition. I've never heard of it before.
And a thousand subscribers too - well done !
+chris oates Thanks -- to be honest, I was a little surprised how fast the number climbed. It wasn't that long ago that I was doubting that the number would ever pass 100.
@@lockpickinglawyer If only this LPL from 5 years ago could see you now...
The problem with these padlock is they gradually lose their keying so the key won't open them anymore. That's why I'm here. Kwikset doesn't make them anymore.
Yep, I regret not buying more. Super convenient if you suffer from giant key rings.
Absolutely great vid,never seen that lock before so thanks a lot for sharing.👍😘🍻🔓🔐
So much for the 10 minuet ruling 😆😆
+Pick Beard Thanks... I guess these are not common in the UK. They are very common in the US.
I had one of these stop working, leaving me stuck (so lesson one, don't use these). So I, totally unskilled, tried a physical attack. I was amazed to have this lock open in a mere 5 seconds (so lesson two, don't use these).
I picked one up from a collector as it was a good deal but didnt really understand what it was. Thanks for clearing that up for me 🙃✌
New to picking and have one of these locks from work. I'm having a lot of trouble with this lock compared to other old locks I snatched instead of throwing out. Do you have a recommended lock that would better prepare me to pick this one? I can feel each pin, but I'm not feeling much difference between them.
Please do a video using the Lishi kw1 or kw5. I’m interested to see if I will be able to pick the smartkey cylinders easier with the Lishi tool. Thanks! Always love your videos.
Want to see this also
2:05 There would be pretty simple design change that could fix this attack. If the sidebar touching the slider were shaped like the bottom of letter H and true gate were wide enough to fit the whole H but false gates were spikes that go between the legs of H, the false gates and true gate would have equal width (assuming that the space between the spike and the legs of H were equal to true gate tolerance to whole width of H.
That wouldn't prevent picking, though. Just make it a bit harder. You could still differentiate between false gate and true gate by detecting binding slider. Because true gate cannot cause slider to bind (there's no such thing as zero tolerance true gate), any slider that binding by sidebar tensioning is in false gate.
You can put a un-cut kwikset key into it and force it to twist with a long wrench. Reset the lock and than it will be back to as if it never happened.
These locks are no longer pickable, the core was changed to where the pins do not bind up at all.
see video 904 (title starts with 'the "pros" at consumer reports'). they can be tensioned using an easy but non-standard method.
"Little bit less than 10 minutes" hahahah
Bought one today and in screwing around with the lock changing technology (putting the key only partway in and then resetting it just for giggles), I screwed myself and for whatever reason the key won't work. So now I have no choice but to pick it. I have a bit of experience picking locks, but you didn't mention how much tension you use here?
Very light tension is needed for these locks IMO
I can’t seem to hold Top of the Keyway Tension! It keeps slipping out. Are the many different thicknesses of pry bars? I bought a Sparrows complete pick set but the thicknesses do not vary much. Any suggestions?
nice pick.. had a deadbolt somewhere or traded off but do have one of the change tools kit here lol.. almost bought 1 of the padlocks at Home Depot but talked myself out of it lol
+Zombie Lock Thanks... the padlock ins't so bad for low security applications. it certainly is a pick of above average difficulty, and the convenience of being able to program the lock to, for example, your house key, is really pretty nice.
Awesome PS:I saw the cylinder rotate rearward as you picked the wafers.Does this mean that you will you experience counterrotation as you move from one gate to another?
+lokpikr999 Maybe a tiny bit.
I was all set to buy a couple of these, until I saw numerous purchaser feedbacks (Home Depot website) reporting that cylinder froze shortly after having been rekeyed. No explanation of why or how, but the comments imply that the sliders did not hold the rekeying repositioning. All of the reports were dated 2015, and in some cases Quikset apparently replaced the locks. Any input as to problem, cure or whether design was changed to eliminate this problem?
These cylinders randomly fail and rekey themselves. Avoid SmartKey if you can. Seemed like a great plan but it didn't work out but that hasn't stopped them from selling tons of them. I can't church it up. These are crap.
I've been really struggling with this lock. Hoping your video and tips will help me finally be able to pick one of these kwikset padlocks
Look inside the shackle hole. See that roll pin? If it sticks up enough just pull it out with pliers and you can then move that slider towards the outside of the lock and the core will drop right out.
The early locks didn't have the roll pin in there and the could could easily just drop out.
+mresurm Thank! I'll check that out. I played with everything down the shackle hole trying to open it up, but couldn't figure it out. Much appreciated!
if you want the new core get the uptown or downtown style deadbolt they are brand new styles so they will have the new core.
it will say ”new advanced smart key technology” on the back of the package also if it's the new core
I'll be looking!
Maybe it's just me, but I would think one of the essential features of any lock against picking would be to be able to remove any kind of markings, logos, anything that tells anyone which kind of lock they are dealing with. Or am I missing something?
Thats a damn clever system!
Seems American Lock 700 series with wafers and extra pins is ahead of the game for now.
I was able to pick the first pin with the keying tool that comes with the locks.
Dear LPL is there a way to differentiate the different GENS in the Smart Key KS locks without having to gut
I know there's no easy way to gut this padlock, but I'm curious if this was the old design or the updated version that is being sold today. They changed the way the sidebar is retained. Supposedly (according to a picker on youtube who has a "pick and gut" of an old one) the new design makes it such that you can't get tension on the pins because of the bar. I don't know why you couldn't just pick the bar. Anyways, I'm a noob and I've been trying to pick this new style of SmartKey and have had no luck really setting more than one pin because of the sidebar. I would love it if someone much better than me made a video about it!
Remarkable picking.
+chris oates Thank you.
“A little bit less than 10 minutes...”
Thanks
this is driving me crazy as i raked it open once. spp is a no go. someone here mentioned that false gates acts like spools, what's your take on that?
They can often require some counter rotation, but not in the traditional sense... its more like tightening the tension and letting the slider slip a bit. It might be helpful to take a few of the sliders out and practice on one that's not fully "pinned" up.
bonito candado harry. no lo he visto antes. buen trabajo como siempre. gracias por mostrar. SALUDOS
+adrian leon Gracias. nunca he visto este tipo de bloqueo en Europa .
I have this lock. Love it. But some how I was trying to Rekey it and messed up the pins to where no key works in it now. How can I Rekey this lock without a working key?
So are all kwikset locks that have that little hole, as hard to pick as these? I'm Guessing it's a bad begginer pick lock?
I've heard the newer smart key cores are more difficult to pick. Is that something you've experienced?
Great work buddy. Question, how much different is this from the U change or it is exactly the same?
+Papa Gleb Thanks. The mechanism is very different from the U Change. The U change is a standard pin tumbler lock, with telescoping key pins that can be locked at 4 different levels. They are pretty easy to pick. In contrast, the Smartkey is a slider/sidebar design, and with the false gates, it is much harder to pick IMO.
+LockPickingLawyer that's all I needed to know. I have one of these but wasn't sure which and now I know. I don't know how you picked yours cause mine has nothing binding from the get go regardless of tension. Tried it all. It was a year ago so perhaps I should revisit it
Which Kwickset Smartkey generation is this using? Have you tried picking a Gen 3?
clever lock and clever pick
+chris ball Thanks.
FANTASTIC video and picking Sir. I have a master version of one of those and for some reason the key will not work at all in it now and not sure why and when trying to pick it had no joy the other year so just left it in my picking box. I found it strange when looking in key way as pins looked like wafers but cannot remember as was that long ago I played with it.
+waddac2 Thanks. I'll have to pick up a used rim cylinder (pretty common in the US) and do another video with a gutting so you can see all the innards. It will be a bit of a PITA though, because these are complex little locks! You should definitely revisit your lock... its just a matter of finding the firmly bound slider and pushing it up in a controlled manner, one gate at a time. Once you get the hang of that, they open pretty fast. Good luck.
+LockPickingLawyer
Thanks, I will give it a try when I next have some time to play with it as work at the moment is stopping me picking due to hours etc :o(
I just picked this lock up tonight from ACE. It was the only one and I figured why not? I just found out this lock is a lot different than what I'm used to from regular pin tumblers like my Master Locks and ABUS locks.
Definitely different... tension is a whole new ball game.
Super easy to rake in less then a minute.
Cool. Do you have a video uploaded to assist?
I've seen BosnianBill's video of him raking it open. Just wondering if you've uploaded something to check out. I like to see different techniques.
I just bought one of these locks new in package and have not been able to rake it open. I changed its biting and still no luck raking like BB did in his video.
Is there a way to reset it to a new key or do you need the original key
what kind of tension tool did you use? i have been trying to pick my lock forever. lol
In this video, I'm using the .050" toothless Prybar, made by Peterson.
can these still be opened by forcing with a screwdriver? i just moved into a new house and ditched all the kwikset that came with it.
Can they still be force rotated open?
interesting lock, really cool idea! thanks for great explanation on it ;D
+crispey bear Thanks.
Can you use this method on any kwikset smartkey locks?
Is it easier to pick this lock or, an american lock 6 pin?
By george you've done it again
Hilarious........why do we bother locking things! Can you tell me how to reset the combination on a Laurentide Safe? Lost the combo for it but luckily it's OPEN!
After watching this… what’s the point of locking your doors and gates. Might as well weld and blow torch the door every time you come in to the house 😂
Does anyone have any idea how he got the plastic cover off? It seems to be on their pretty good.
what tension level did u use?? (light, medium, or heavy)
+Zombie Lock Hard to describe, but I'd say medium to detect which sliders are set, and light to move a slider.
Thanks
can this be modified to make it more pick resistant?
Not easily.
Many Thanks.
Nobody is going to lock a padlock anyways, they'll use bolt cutters, or a grinder- takes few seconds
Very good
picked this in 2 minutes, thinking i was the shit. tried again............. yep.
If you can open these, you are the shit! They are a tricky pick!
thanks. i finally got a consistant pick on it. Do you happen to have a video of u picking a master lock DG with bump stop?
+kevinsuckincs no, but they are super easy. The DG locks I've encountered, at least, have been full of standard pins iirc.
Very cool picking! I would advice anybody that values what they are locking up DO NOT buy this lock. It is garbage on a forced entry attack. "wafers" are frail. I have work will these lock many times.
+LOST FOUND Thanks. As for the forced entry, the early versions of this lock were pretty bad, as can be seen on a few TH-cam videos. Later versions are significantly improved in resisting the force attack... sidebar redesign and new slider material.
Hey, I'll take that challenge. I hope your right. The ones I worked with, garbage.
I don't know how many times I've watched videos on this lock. Still can't get an open. Pretty sure the trick is in the tensioning. Just watched it while looking at nothing but his finger applying tension. Still no open. Great padlock. LPL makes it look easy, IT'S NOT.
have u checked out the qtactical smartkey decoder? i just got one. lockpicks.com now has them....would love to seee a video on it.. im practicing with mine
No, but I will take a look. Thanks for the tip.
That's a bit expensive for me... interesting concept though.
I did buy one simply because there are so many of those around here
Kyle Corey I would also if I was a locksmith... particularly now that they redesigned the sidebar!
Who the fuck would need a lock like this?
No entiendo nada😢
Seems pretty easy if you're looking at the key while picking.
I accidentally set it to one of my picks
"resist picking for 10 minutes"
5 minute video with intro... This isn't looking too good