Truly an amazing demonstration of this lock. I like that you don’t just pick the lock but you really show us the inner workings. I don’t know how safe this kind of locks are, but you can’t help admiring the ingenuity of their mechanism.
As a novice lock pick myself this is one of the most difficult home locks I’ve encountered. Accidentally locked myself out of my home and was proud to have my lock pick kit in my car. Took me over an hour to get it picked 😆 though.
It really doesn’t matter how good a lock is if your putting it on a regular house door. No criminal is going to mess with a lock let alone pick it if the door can simply be kicked in with ease in a fraction of a second. Put an armored door on the house and they will simply break a window. Unless you are willing to live in an armored bunker locks are almost useless. I’ve seen doors kicked in that weren’t even locked!
Lock Picking Lawyer. This is a bit dated, and I would love to see you breakdown the latest generation of this lock. The Kwikset Gen3 of this lock CANNOT be single pin picked in the way you're doing here. Their system has been vastly improved with a sidebar that keeps wafers from binding individually in SPP picking. Only after all the wafers are to shear does the sidebar fall into place allowing the plug to turn. That said, others have been able to pick this lock by tensioning the sidebar with a shim. I have tries this technique, and on the latest models I can get some wafers to bind, but I still can't pick it. There is also a decoding tool for this, and you can cut a key by finding the kwikset depth codes which a special magnifier decoding tool will allow you to do with practice. This tool costs 300.00 dollars though! I'd love to get your professional feedback on the latest version of Kwikset's cylinder in the smartkey version. I want to see if you can pick it, or provide additional tips and feedback to us fellow follow lock nerds!
I realize this is a four year old video, but I wanted to thank you. I got one of these given to me this last Christmas. Just something handed to me, because it didn’t have a key. Because of this video, I learned about the side bar, which is why I couldn’t get any feedback from trying to pick, and it also gave me the confidence to gut the lock, set it for a new key, and get it back together. So again, thank you for this video. You turned something to mess around with, to something I can use.
Thanks for this description. I had one for a few months and only managed one open on it. Tension seemed to just bind the whole plug so I had to work very light. This helps, your technique for picking it more like a car door than a house lock, it makes sense. This is almost how you'd use a Lishi pick.
+Shira Assel Thanks. I have no experience with car locks at all. As for binding the whole core, I've only tried three of these locks, and only one was like that... I've seen huge variation in the depths of the false gates, so that may be why.
I misprogrammed my smartkey lock while I was changing the keys, this video helped me take it apart and fix it so I didn't need to get a whole new lock when I couldn't fix my mess up. Thank you, LockPickingLawyer!
Thank you for sharing not just the inside but also how it works! Other channels just pull one apart and say, there it is folks. Great demo, I always watch yours, when I can, in downtime.
Thanks for the tear down. Had an issue where i re keyed it but it would work afterwards With this video I was able to take the dead bolt apart and manually re key it and brought it back to life.
Thank you so much for this I took one apart just to see how it worked and had trouble putting it back together, this video made it possible for me to reassemble one and to have a better understanding of how it works
I found one of these by the side of the road. I know locks can be anywhere from $20-$60. So, I thought I could try messing with it to see if I could re-key it. I couldn't immediately find a piece of metal small enough to fit in the re-key hole. So, I just took it apart to see if I could re-key it with a spare key we had. It wasn't until I found this video of how the re-keying slider works that I was able to put it back together and make it work with a key I already had.
if you want the new ones get the uptown or downtown style deadbolt they are brand new styles so they will have the new core. it will say ”new advanced smart key technology” on the back of the package also if it's the new core
Awesome. I have the cylinder from one of these things and had no idea what it was till I saw this video. I just thought it was an oddball wafer lock. Now that I know what I'm dealing with maybe I'll have better luck picking it.
Excellent breakdown! I had been wondering if the rekeying can only happen once or multiple times (it's not really specified anywhere), and this both answers my question and gives me some insight to the lock. Now, if only there was a way to make it not key-retaining...
Thank you so much. I just got one of these and I could not believe how tough it was to pick. Now I know why. I will try again tonight. Good stuff LPL...
Hi Harry, Great picking again of course, you must have "the touch"! Interesting to see the actual mechanism - well explained as well. I know the locksmiths don't like these self change locks, and generally advise customers to change them. Apparently Kwikset have strengthened them to better resist the crushing technique, I wonder where the "improvements" have been made? Regards, Brian.
+Brian Hignett Thanks. I know that they redesigned the sidebar such that it goes deeper into the housing and changed the material of the sliders. But I've never seen one of the early ones, except in pictures.
Hey Lockpicking Lawyer: You might want to let Bosian Bill know that the the padlock can be spp'd. His video shows raking with a worm style pick is the best way in... Thanks for you video's as always.
Hey @Lockpickinglawyer, love your content. One request though - can you make a video on this lock in layman's terms? Itd be very helpful for people suggesting locks to a loved one
It’s a lock that has better security than a standard kwikset, it also allows you to rekey it to a different kwikset key if you choose to do so. That’s what you asked for right?
+Jake Neumann Thanks. Tension depends on the lock. I have three, and they all like different amounts of tension. Just give it enough to bind the sliders, but no more. Release a little tension to move the sliders. Good luck.
Just locked myself out today. Have this on the front door. Guy came said he was gonna have to drill it out. Tried that didn't work. Tried my back door was ruff with it, but got in pretty easy there. Now I'm out a deadbolt an $240. Wont be able to sit down for about a day.
We use these at the apartment complex that I work at. The core is basically impossible to drill through.. Best way we've found is to aim for the 2 bolts on either side. But brute force always prevails if all else fails.
Pushing the mounting screws out with a 1/8" drill through the face is SOP with all the apartment maintenance guys I know. Good cylinders will have a hardened plate in the face to prevent this attack as well as preventing the core from being pulled, and those usually come with hardened screws and a thick mounting plate too. I've seen some pissed-off ex-tenants install one of those as a 'going-away' present to get even with leasing agents who wouldn't refund their deposits. Maintenance always destroys the door trying to open it...
Would be quite easy to prevent, or at least make much harder, by making it so the cassette can only move whilst the lock is in the locked position (just have a notch in the barrel that blocks the gap as it's turned) as the act of tensioning the sidebar to set the sliders will rotate it to unlocked when they're in the correct positions, that way you'd pretty much have to have the real key (although due to the fixed positions of the keypins when set you could decode the lock once it was unlocked and cut a copy of the key, but at least that's difficult to do)
@@benisted1614 Considering that this lock can be decoded without moving the pins, there's no reason so try to fix other issues before fixing that vulnerability: th-cam.com/video/DGdsIrAjp3k/w-d-xo.html
@@MikkoRantalainen Definitely a serious vulnerability but the tool costs $300+ and works on one lock, it's not going to see ridiculously widespread use yet, particularly by criminals. At this point most likely users are covert-entry teams (who would likely object to carrying such a bulky tool when a boroscope would likely do the same thing) and locksmiths, who will generally be working in a law-abiding fashion. As a vulnerability it's one that has been fixed by other slider-based locks and I expect it to be fixed in the next generation of this lock.
@@benisted1614 I agree that once you know what to look for, a boroscope and may a small prism is all you need. We full pre-made tool just makes it easier. Hopefully the lock design is fixed before many people get this lock core because otherwise thiefs WILL get the tool to decode the lock. I'd also guess somebody can create a key that can be adjusted to any cuts you need.
The second time I was tasked to rekey a lock at work at a hardware store I accidentally took apart one of these thinking it was standard lock but the casing was made out of plastic not metal and didn't seem to have a side bar like shown. So from that point I kind of steered people away from them unless they wanted the rekey feature. But seeing this one in all metal I wonder if it's because it's a deadbolt keyway...
Was hoping you would show aligning the True Gates with Channel, Reassemble, being Sure it Slides back for Rekeying. With same or other Key. I go to a Local Door/Window shop, remove old locks from their Discard Pile, Then Rekey to a Key I have. Wanted to Show Brother In Law aligning the Grooves, Great Video, looking for one with the groove aligning. Thanks
to get the casset to go back, the sliders need to be up about half way, youll see the big cut out that matches with the half circles right underneath of the key pins . so the sliders just need to match with the halfcircles and it will alow the casset to be pushed back... insert a new key and turn the rest of the way and bam, re-set, hope this helps
I'm not clear if this was previously asked, but does this lock prevent bumping? Context - looking at a lot of LPL videos, all locks are pickable. Bumping is a ridiculously easy way to get into a house (i.e. small barrier for someone who wants to do this). There are likely less people who can pick a lock, so if it can stop bumping, the lock is a step up from all the other locks. Thoughts?
The design looks pretty good. I have to wonder, though, shouldn't the false gate spacing match the comb-like feature in size? It seems like the false gates are double the size of the actual mechanism.
I understand Kwikset has redesigned this lock, with a different sidebar mechanism that prevents the plug from rotating unless the sidebar is physically depressed. If I'm understanding it correctly. Are you familiar with that change, or had any luck picking the new design? Thanks very much for all your videos - they're very well explained and have been a great help to me.
I'm familiar with the change, but have not been able to find one yet. If the change is what I've been told, it will make picking and forcing far more difficult.
Sorry to bring up an old topic but did you ever find this? I took the lock on my door apart and found the exact setup you show here except when I applied tension to it the lock would freeze. Even when I picked to the correct position it wouldn't turn. I tried applying light tension and inserting the key and it also wouldn't turn.
Had same issue actually Derek, was messing with mine today. I run thru a few times and all pins are up and set, no turn. If I just pull tools the lock will freeze until released from inside. @LockPickingLawyer curious if you can share some knowledge, thanks!
this version has been upgraded, and is unpickable due to the fact that no tension on the lock gets transfered to the sliders or the pins, " no feed back", and any tension just binds the sidebar from being depressed due to it being square on top and not angled, and that the only thing that can depress the side bar are its tiny springs, way weaker than the pin springs. I have both versions.
I wouldn't say it's unpickable. I can apply tension as if trying to lock it, insert the key, and it turns. I can't do that when I apply tension the other way. The key will not turn until I let up the tension. Point is, it could be picked to the locking side and the a spinner could be used to get it to the unlocked position, I believe. But.....I could be wrong. :)
@Matt Williams "GKeyman565" said that the lock that "LockPickingLawyer" picked was the old version and it has been updated. So yes it was picked but they have changed the lock and how it works. But like "Derek Traywick" said he thinks it could still be picked.
@@RealWorldPolice If you look at what I said. I said ""GKeyman565" said that the lock that "LockPickingLawyer" picked was the old version and it has been updated. So yes it was picked but they have changed the lock and how it works. But like "Derek Traywick" said he thinks it could still be picked." I never said it was ‘unpickable’. Also my comment was 30 days ago and it had not been pick at that time. But thank you for letting me know that it has been picked. If you have a link to the video I would like to see it.
Great picking and gutting. Excellent work as usual. I've got an WEISER SmartKey Rim Cylinder here. It is a Kwikset but from Canada. It is a Challenge lock from "Locks of Anarchy", and I am struggle with it for a while now.
I still dont get it :( Its nice having a visual of the interior, which lets me recalculate my thinking when i pick the lock, but i still have no idea how it really works lol Great video though, I appreciate you taking the time to take it apart :)
Its not your fault at all, its my comprehending ability lol. Im just trying to grasp how the sidebar, the "pins" and the core all work together to make it rotate or not rotate when you put the key in
Hey LPL I just bought this cylinder to play with and noticed on the key a very small peak? unben? Small rise, right at the back of position 3. I know it’s a manufacturing flaw I’m just wondering if you’ve seen this on a new key.
Im not sure what I am doing wrong but I cant even get the pins to lift without being very rough. They seem to get stuck on the false gates or something. Its driving me nuts!!!
I'm so glad people are taking this lock seriously. A few years ago people would hate on this lock for being easy to open by force. It's still a beautiful lock design and a hard pick! Great job btw!
This is the lock that's driving me nuts. Your videos have help me a lot. I have watched your other smart key video as well. Also your video on tension, which has me sold on getting a heaver top tension bar. Now my questions are. Can you go through this type of lock again and address the tension question? Heavy tension does not work with this lock. 2nd in this video you keep mentioning springy at different points. Could you go into more detail on what you mean by this in relation to the pins binding? Thanks again for the great info!
This is Generation 1 with the side bar in a V side slot. When tension is applied it binds the sliders/ wafers. I haven"t heard of anyone spp generation 2 with the square sidebar and slot. The new square slot prevents pins from binding. Interesting lock to say the least.
@@DavidPatMathis81 yeah a smartkey is no joke but how is this dude supposed to know that without experience in the field? I got my start in picking because i lost the key to a master 575 padlock I owned and wanted to see if I could get it off the fun way rather than bolt cutters. So Id refrain from ridiculing people for having an interest in trying to pick things they lost the key too. Its how a lot of people get into the sport and even some continue that into the profession.
im curious what the bb does for drill protection, couldnt one just use a larger drill bit, pop the ball out, and continue? or just drill above and below to pop it?
+LOLWHUTMAIFRIEN Its pretty good drill protection. The ball bearing is hardened. When you hit it with a drill bit, one of three things will happen. (I) the ball bearing will stop forward progress and spin, (ii) the bit will catch the ball bearing a break, or (iii) the drill bit will be deflected by the angled ball bearing. And it would be very difficult to drill the sidebar without going through the bearing. Of course, there are ways around. If I was drilling this lock, I would probably start with a 1/4" end mill and drill until I hit the bearing... then remove it with a magnet and keep drilling.
@@lockpickinglawyer Remove the face of this deadbolt and you will find 2 open holes where the mounting screws thread in. Hitting these with the tip of an 1/8th" drill will grab the screw and actually unscrew it from the lock. If you're careful and can remove the face plate for reuse, you can drill these locks and reuse them! At the worst, you ruin the faceplate but the lock is drilled in less than 30 seconds.
When can we see a video about the new version that can't be tensioned this way? I can send you a brand new lock if you wish. Gen 3 is what I believe they call it. Someone claimed it can be tensioned by pressing down on the sidebar, but I don't think it is possible due to the very small gap between the core and the lock housing. Anyway, it would be interested to see if you could attack it.
Any tips for if we have one on our house to make it more secure? I just got one like 3 weeks ago from Lowe’s and I’m just not sure if I should or shouldn’t trust it. I know that single pin binding is damn near impossible with the newer model but there is still bumping and whatnot on the table in my head.
No residential burglar is going to pick a door lock. They will just kick the door or take out a window. These Kwiksets can be drilled and removed in less than 30 seconds, anyway.
My only question is... If I pick the lock using your method, can I rekey it to a new key. This would be handy to know as a maintenance supervisor at apartment complexes using these locks.
So the one thing I (Im a Locksmith) am confused or perplexed by is how you were able to put pressure on the side by at all. Because you can pick at these cylinders all day long, but if you don’t put pressure on the side bar, you can line the key pins up to the sheer line, but the cylinder still will not turn. Any answers on that? Does it have something to do with you inserting the tension wrench at the top of the key way?
Its cause this is an older generation that isnt a reverse side bar. The new Gen3s are the ones with the reverse sidebar that needs to be individually tensioned.
What he is able to do by unsetting a pin, barely letting off the tension, I have found is a hard skill to master. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is like an undo button if he accidentally sets a pin too high?
Whats the difference between this kwikset cylinder and the one from your other video where you had to slide the stock shim into the outer edge of the cylinder?
Any chance you could show us how the sidebar changes, when you want to re-key the lock? Is it something that requires partial disassembly and reconstruction, when the new key is in place? Or does the old key "authorise" the tool that puts the sidebar into re-keying mode, and you just swap the old key for a new key, with no disassembly?
Is this lock vulnerable to being re-keyed by an unauthorised person? By that I mean, could someone pick the lock and put in a new key to prevent the old key from working?
I've tried picking this lock core unsuccessfully numerous times. What I notice is that no mater how much keyway tension top or bottom, the pins remain springy. I feel ZERO clicking. I can't figure it out for the life of me. Still an amateur when it comes to picking, but if I cannot get the pins to bind with any amount of tension, then it seems unpickable. I've tried, moons, diamonds, hooks and raking. Is there some reason I can't get tension on this type of core?
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Truly an amazing demonstration of this lock. I like that you don’t just pick the lock but you really show us the inner workings. I don’t know how safe this kind of locks are, but you can’t help admiring the ingenuity of their mechanism.
As a novice lock pick myself this is one of the most difficult home locks I’ve encountered. Accidentally locked myself out of my home and was proud to have my lock pick kit in my car. Took me over an hour to get it picked 😆 though.
@@brandonsamson6278 thank you. It is the proof that it can be done
It really doesn’t matter how good a lock is if your putting it on a regular house door. No criminal is going to mess with a lock let alone pick it if the door can simply be kicked in with ease in a fraction of a second. Put an armored door on the house and they will simply break a window. Unless you are willing to live in an armored bunker locks are almost useless. I’ve seen doors kicked in that weren’t even locked!
@Trump985 Not for sure, there are too many home doors that can be opened with a paperclip wave rake.
I was wondering how the re-key worked for these locks. Very clever.
Lock Picking Lawyer. This is a bit dated, and I would love to see you breakdown the latest generation of this lock. The Kwikset Gen3 of this lock CANNOT be single pin picked in the way you're doing here. Their system has been vastly improved with a sidebar that keeps wafers from binding individually in SPP picking.
Only after all the wafers are to shear does the sidebar fall into place allowing the plug to turn. That said, others have been able to pick this lock by tensioning the sidebar with a shim. I have tries this technique, and on the latest models I can get some wafers to bind, but I still can't pick it.
There is also a decoding tool for this, and you can cut a key by finding the kwikset depth codes which a special magnifier decoding tool will allow you to do with practice. This tool costs 300.00 dollars though!
I'd love to get your professional feedback on the latest version of Kwikset's cylinder in the smartkey version. I want to see if you can pick it, or provide additional tips and feedback to us fellow follow lock nerds!
Never tell lock picking lawyer that he can't spp something. But i kinda want to try the new one when i hit up home depot i may pick one up
@@Manatee360Phototography "Never tell lock picking lawyer that he can't spp something." I laughed so hard 8D
A new video was posted addressing the sidebar version and how it can be picked
In case anyone else comes across this thread, it’s ep 904 and reviews the model 3 with reverse sidebar
@@jonengen2927 hey thanks
I realize this is a four year old video, but I wanted to thank you. I got one of these given to me this last Christmas. Just something handed to me, because it didn’t have a key. Because of this video, I learned about the side bar, which is why I couldn’t get any feedback from trying to pick, and it also gave me the confidence to gut the lock, set it for a new key, and get it back together. So again, thank you for this video. You turned something to mess around with, to something I can use.
Thanks for this description. I had one for a few months and only managed one open on it. Tension seemed to just bind the whole plug so I had to work very light. This helps, your technique for picking it more like a car door than a house lock, it makes sense. This is almost how you'd use a Lishi pick.
+Shira Assel Thanks. I have no experience with car locks at all. As for binding the whole core, I've only tried three of these locks, and only one was like that... I've seen huge variation in the depths of the false gates, so that may be why.
Okay I really appreciate this video I love how you explained in detail the tools and objectives
This one was amazing! Your locking mechanism explanation blew my mind💥
You are doing great! 💪🏼
Love that dude telling us what you're feeling and what you're doing and tension and whatever's happening inside to look that you feel👍🏻
I misprogrammed my smartkey lock while I was changing the keys, this video helped me take it apart and fix it so I didn't need to get a whole new lock when I couldn't fix my mess up. Thank you, LockPickingLawyer!
Really interesting lock with good explanation. Great picking too. Thanks.
+LockpickwithNick Thanks
Thank you for sharing not just the inside but also how it works! Other channels just pull one apart and say, there it is folks. Great demo, I always watch yours, when I can, in downtime.
Thanks for the tear down. Had an issue where i re keyed it but it would work afterwards With this video I was able to take the dead bolt apart and manually re key it and brought it back to life.
Darn, I've really loved these locks :( and the technology is freaking cool!
Crazy. Pretty cool design for a lock. Thanks for sharing this little gem brother. Keep em coming!
I was told when these first came out that they couldn't be picked so I never even tried... not anymore. Thanks!
Thank you so much for this I took one apart just to see how it worked and had trouble putting it back together, this video made it possible for me to reassemble one and to have a better understanding of how it works
If it takes the LockPickingLawyer longer than 30 seconds to pick it, I may aswell not even try. :(
Yeah it's hard af to pick.
@@alliesmomsvagina Im using him as a guage for what locks to buy rn since im being forced to live with my abusive sister
Yeah, with anything this complicated it’s easier to just kick the door in or blow the lock off with a shotgun
Na man. Just have fun and try.
If you're not worried about doing damage, you can get through one of these with a drill in less than a minute.
I love how little your videos have changed. Very satisfying for my brain lol
nice piece of engineering and well explained. fast pick as usual...
+tonyholt90 Thanks.
Awesome picking!! and great info on the lock!
+PickME 1977 Thanks.
I found one of these by the side of the road. I know locks can be anywhere from $20-$60. So, I thought I could try messing with it to see if I could re-key it. I couldn't immediately find a piece of metal small enough to fit in the re-key hole. So, I just took it apart to see if I could re-key it with a spare key we had. It wasn't until I found this video of how the re-keying slider works that I was able to put it back together and make it work with a key I already had.
Lock talk.this makes me feel better. Ive tried numerous times, on bench as well as in the field and i have NEVER picked one
Very nice video. I was hoping to find a description of how these work. Didn't expect to find one quite so good. Thanks.
been unsuccessful so far with the one you sent Harry, this explains why! great pick n gutt.
+richardwales Thanks, and good luck with it!
Interesting design for a kwikset, thanks for the gutting 👍🙃
if you want the new ones get the uptown or downtown style deadbolt they are brand new styles so they will have the new core.
it will say ”new advanced smart key technology” on the back of the package also if it's the new core
Awesome. I have the cylinder from one of these things and had no idea what it was till I saw this video. I just thought it was an oddball wafer lock. Now that I know what I'm dealing with maybe I'll have better luck picking it.
THanks, and good luck. Once you get a feel for them, they are not too bad. Tricky, but pickable.
Excellent breakdown! I had been wondering if the rekeying can only happen once or multiple times (it's not really specified anywhere), and this both answers my question and gives me some insight to the lock.
Now, if only there was a way to make it not key-retaining...
As many times as you want
Interesting and very informative. Thanks
+Herb Fields Thank you.
Nice,very nice😘😘👍🍻
Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge👍👍👍👍
+Pick Beard Thanks.
I've seen that tray before! 😄 Lock Noob has one exactly like it! 👍
Yup, someone copied my design and sells them. 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you so much. I just got one of these and I could not believe how tough it was to pick. Now I know why. I will try again tonight. Good stuff LPL...
That was some great picking. Great video.
+Texas Jim Thanks Jim. I was surprised how these locks opened once I got a hang of them... not nearly as bad as I thought going in.
I have not really tried to open one yet but I think I will work on that. Thanks for showing this.
Hi Harry, Great picking again of course, you must have "the touch"! Interesting to see the actual mechanism - well explained as well. I know the locksmiths don't like these self change locks, and generally advise customers to change them. Apparently Kwikset have strengthened them to better resist the crushing technique, I wonder where the "improvements" have been made? Regards, Brian.
+Brian Hignett Thanks. I know that they redesigned the sidebar such that it goes deeper into the housing and changed the material of the sliders. But I've never seen one of the early ones, except in pictures.
I check out your vids when I need decent advice and descriptions. Thank you.
Thanks, I hope it helps.
Very interesting - thanks for the detailed explanation.
+Potti314 Thanks.
great job!
+Jeff Moss Thanks.
Hey Lockpicking Lawyer: You might want to let Bosian Bill know that the the padlock can be spp'd. His video shows raking with a worm style pick is the best way in... Thanks for you video's as always.
Hey @Lockpickinglawyer, love your content. One request though - can you make a video on this lock in layman's terms? Itd be very helpful for people suggesting locks to a loved one
It’s a lock that has better security than a standard kwikset, it also allows you to rekey it to a different kwikset key if you choose to do so. That’s what you asked for right?
I've had one of the for a while, but I haven't been able to pick it. Do you have any tips for picking this one? What kind of tension did you use?
+Jake Neumann Thanks. Tension depends on the lock. I have three, and they all like different amounts of tension. Just give it enough to bind the sliders, but no more. Release a little tension to move the sliders. Good luck.
Just locked myself out today. Have this on the front door. Guy came said he was gonna have to drill it out. Tried that didn't work. Tried my back door was ruff with it, but got in pretty easy there. Now I'm out a deadbolt an $240. Wont be able to sit down for about a day.
You first mentioned about a padlock, but quickly moved on to the door lock.
Did it also have the changeable keying?
We use these at the apartment complex that I work at. The core is basically impossible to drill through.. Best way we've found is to aim for the 2 bolts on either side. But brute force always prevails if all else fails.
At the relatively low cost of the lock, it is probably more cost effective to just force the lock and replace it.
Pushing the mounting screws out with a 1/8" drill through the face is SOP with all the apartment maintenance guys I know. Good cylinders will have a hardened plate in the face to prevent this attack as well as preventing the core from being pulled, and those usually come with hardened screws and a thick mounting plate too. I've seen some pissed-off ex-tenants install one of those as a 'going-away' present to get even with leasing agents who wouldn't refund their deposits. Maintenance always destroys the door trying to open it...
Incredible technology
Dude really! I have so much trouble with this lock! ...this video makes me just fucked up and upset...Love your content.
Check video 904 for the updated version of the lock.
Good video
The scary thing about picking a kwikset is that once you've successfully picked it you can reset the pins to a different key. Crazy!
Would be quite easy to prevent, or at least make much harder, by making it so the cassette can only move whilst the lock is in the locked position (just have a notch in the barrel that blocks the gap as it's turned) as the act of tensioning the sidebar to set the sliders will rotate it to unlocked when they're in the correct positions, that way you'd pretty much have to have the real key (although due to the fixed positions of the keypins when set you could decode the lock once it was unlocked and cut a copy of the key, but at least that's difficult to do)
@@benisted1614 Considering that this lock can be decoded without moving the pins, there's no reason so try to fix other issues before fixing that vulnerability: th-cam.com/video/DGdsIrAjp3k/w-d-xo.html
@@MikkoRantalainen Definitely a serious vulnerability but the tool costs $300+ and works on one lock, it's not going to see ridiculously widespread use yet, particularly by criminals. At this point most likely users are covert-entry teams (who would likely object to carrying such a bulky tool when a boroscope would likely do the same thing) and locksmiths, who will generally be working in a law-abiding fashion. As a vulnerability it's one that has been fixed by other slider-based locks and I expect it to be fixed in the next generation of this lock.
@@benisted1614 I agree that once you know what to look for, a boroscope and may a small prism is all you need. We full pre-made tool just makes it easier.
Hopefully the lock design is fixed before many people get this lock core because otherwise thiefs WILL get the tool to decode the lock. I'd also guess somebody can create a key that can be adjusted to any cuts you need.
you are good
Thanks
You lucked out! I am a master locksmith.
Can you show me how to get the sliders in the right spot for a new key? How do you get the notches correct?
The second time I was tasked to rekey a lock at work at a hardware store I accidentally took apart one of these thinking it was standard lock but the casing was made out of plastic not metal and didn't seem to have a side bar like shown. So from that point I kind of steered people away from them unless they wanted the rekey feature. But seeing this one in all metal I wonder if it's because it's a deadbolt keyway...
Was hoping you would show aligning the True Gates with Channel, Reassemble, being Sure it Slides back for Rekeying. With same or other Key.
I go to a Local Door/Window shop, remove old locks from their Discard Pile, Then Rekey to a Key I have. Wanted to Show Brother In Law aligning the Grooves, Great Video, looking for one with the groove aligning. Thanks
to get the casset to go back, the sliders need to be up about half way, youll see the big cut out that matches with the half circles right underneath of the key pins . so the sliders just need to match with the halfcircles and it will alow the casset to be pushed back... insert a new key and turn the rest of the way and bam, re-set, hope this helps
Where did you get that clip removal tool is you don't mind me asking????
I'm not clear if this was previously asked, but does this lock prevent bumping?
Context - looking at a lot of LPL videos, all locks are pickable. Bumping is a ridiculously easy way to get into a house (i.e. small barrier for someone who wants to do this). There are likely less people who can pick a lock, so if it can stop bumping, the lock is a step up from all the other locks.
Thoughts?
The design looks pretty good. I have to wonder, though, shouldn't the false gate spacing match the comb-like feature in size? It seems like the false gates are double the size of the actual mechanism.
I tried picking one of these. I kept trying the pins, increasing tension, repeating, regardless I couldn't get any to bind!
Check video 904. You probably have a newer version of the lock.
You picked it in 45 seconds and that's on my front door.
Important thing to remember in life. Locks only stop honest people.
@@DT_Liox he is also a beast a picking locks. Its going to take an average person a while, if tbey can get it at all.
Better than a regular kwikset that a novice picker like me can rake in 3 seconds or spp in 20. LPP is a very very experienced picker.
I can drill it in 30 seconds and I've never picked a lock.
I understand Kwikset has redesigned this lock, with a different sidebar mechanism that prevents the plug from rotating unless the sidebar is physically depressed. If I'm understanding it correctly. Are you familiar with that change, or had any luck picking the new design? Thanks very much for all your videos - they're very well explained and have been a great help to me.
I'm familiar with the change, but have not been able to find one yet. If the change is what I've been told, it will make picking and forcing far more difficult.
This looks like the latest generation of Kwikset-smart key locks. I haven't been successful against this lock yet.
Sorry to bring up an old topic but did you ever find this? I took the lock on my door apart and found the exact setup you show here except when I applied tension to it the lock would freeze. Even when I picked to the correct position it wouldn't turn. I tried applying light tension and inserting the key and it also wouldn't turn.
Had same issue actually Derek, was messing with mine today. I run thru a few times and all pins are up and set, no turn. If I just pull tools the lock will freeze until released from inside. @LockPickingLawyer curious if you can share some knowledge, thanks!
this version has been upgraded, and is unpickable due to the fact that no tension on the lock gets transfered to the sliders or the pins, " no feed back", and any tension just binds the sidebar from being depressed due to it being square on top and not angled, and that the only thing that can depress the side bar are its tiny springs, way weaker than the pin springs. I have both versions.
I wouldn't say it's unpickable. I can apply tension as if trying to lock it, insert the key, and it turns. I can't do that when I apply tension the other way. The key will not turn until I let up the tension. Point is, it could be picked to the locking side and the a spinner could be used to get it to the unlocked position, I believe. But.....I could be wrong. :)
@Matt Williams "GKeyman565" said that the lock that "LockPickingLawyer" picked was the old version and it has been updated. So yes it was picked but they have changed the lock and how it works. But like "Derek Traywick" said he thinks it could still be picked.
55ATA3 It has been picked. When will people learn to stop saying ‘unpickable’? (I mean, the Protec 2 went down on video last week.)
@@RealWorldPolice If you look at what I said. I said ""GKeyman565" said that the lock that "LockPickingLawyer" picked was the old version and it has been updated. So yes it was picked but they have changed the lock and how it works. But like "Derek Traywick" said he thinks it could still be picked." I never said it was ‘unpickable’. Also my comment was 30 days ago and it had not been pick at that time. But thank you for letting me know that it has been picked. If you have a link to the video I would like to see it.
55ATA3 th-cam.com/video/6UZ6tcvgd9U/w-d-xo.html
Great picking and gutting. Excellent work as usual. I've got an WEISER SmartKey Rim Cylinder here. It is a Kwikset but from Canada. It is a Challenge lock from "Locks of Anarchy", and I am struggle with it for a while now.
+dirk Thanks, and good luck with yours. Just look for the tightly bound slider and move it one gate... Rinse, repeat until open.
+LockPickingLawyer Cheers my friend. I will keep that in mind, and try.
I still dont get it :( Its nice having a visual of the interior, which lets me recalculate my thinking when i pick the lock, but i still have no idea how it really works lol
Great video though, I appreciate you taking the time to take it apart :)
Thanks. Sorry I didn't do a better job of explaining. :-( If there's a particular part that did or didn't makes sense, I can try to fill the gaps.
Its not your fault at all, its my comprehending ability lol. Im just trying to grasp how the sidebar, the "pins" and the core all work together to make it rotate or not rotate when you put the key in
iknow it is tough to comprehend how they figured that out to make it work.
I got one if these cores for like 50 cents at the local habitat store. It's a lot easier to grok with it in your hand
Hey LPL I just bought this cylinder to play with and noticed on the key a very small peak? unben? Small rise, right at the back of position 3. I know it’s a manufacturing flaw I’m just wondering if you’ve seen this on a new key.
Have you ever been able to rake a smart key deadbolt?
Im not sure what I am doing wrong but I cant even get the pins to lift without being very rough. They seem to get stuck on the false gates or something. Its driving me nuts!!!
I'm so glad people are taking this lock seriously. A few years ago people would hate on this lock for being easy to open by force. It's still a beautiful lock design and a hard pick! Great job btw!
This is the lock that's driving me nuts. Your videos have help me a lot. I have watched your other smart key video as well. Also your video on tension, which has me sold on getting a heaver top tension bar. Now my questions are. Can you go through this type of lock again and address the tension question? Heavy tension does not work with this lock. 2nd in this video you keep mentioning springy at different points. Could you go into more detail on what you mean by this in relation to the pins binding? Thanks again for the great info!
Honestly, it's been so long since I picked one of these that I barely remember. I'll have to revisit the SK.
This is Generation 1 with the side bar in a V side slot. When tension is applied it binds the sliders/ wafers. I haven"t heard of anyone spp generation 2 with the square sidebar and slot. The new square slot prevents pins from binding. Interesting lock to say the least.
May or may not of lost my keys to a room in my house that’s why I’m here xD
LOL! Yeah, it takes us smiths THOUSANDS of hours to get good at picking, but I'm sure you can defeat a smartlock on your first try.
@@DavidPatMathis81 I’m with you there those smartlocks are no joke
@@DavidPatMathis81 yeah a smartkey is no joke but how is this dude supposed to know that without experience in the field? I got my start in picking because i lost the key to a master 575 padlock I owned and wanted to see if I could get it off the fun way rather than bolt cutters. So Id refrain from ridiculing people for having an interest in trying to pick things they lost the key too. Its how a lot of people get into the sport and even some continue that into the profession.
Is there a top of key way or bottom of key way difference for tension? Or is that just a preference?
im curious what the bb does for drill protection, couldnt one just use a larger drill bit, pop the ball out, and continue?
or just drill above and below to pop it?
+LOLWHUTMAIFRIEN Its pretty good drill protection. The ball bearing is hardened. When you hit it with a drill bit, one of three things will happen. (I) the ball bearing will stop forward progress and spin, (ii) the bit will catch the ball bearing a break, or (iii) the drill bit will be deflected by the angled ball bearing. And it would be very difficult to drill the sidebar without going through the bearing. Of course, there are ways around. If I was drilling this lock, I would probably start with a 1/4" end mill and drill until I hit the bearing... then remove it with a magnet and keep drilling.
+LockPickingLawyer thank you kindly, really appreciate all the vids and the variety. lots to learn
@@lockpickinglawyer Remove the face of this deadbolt and you will find 2 open holes where the mounting screws thread in. Hitting these with the tip of an 1/8th" drill will grab the screw and actually unscrew it from the lock. If you're careful and can remove the face plate for reuse, you can drill these locks and reuse them! At the worst, you ruin the faceplate but the lock is drilled in less than 30 seconds.
Do you have an album of the best locks in the world?
I was Like #500! Great videos! I'd like to see some recommendations.
Is there a way to disable the key retaining feature of the Kwikset Smartkey padlock?
Is this also break resistant? Are they made of steel? Like when a thief is using screwdriver and a wrench.
So what is you opinion about this type of lock on your home? 1 to 5
Do you have a video explaining your terminology?
When can we see a video about the new version that can't be tensioned this way? I can send you a brand new lock if you wish. Gen 3 is what I believe they call it. Someone claimed it can be tensioned by pressing down on the sidebar, but I don't think it is possible due to the very small gap between the core and the lock housing. Anyway, it would be interested to see if you could attack it.
very interesting id be scared to take it apart. could it be master keyed. great job picking it gonna have to try one
+Chris Ahrens Thanks. It could only be master keyed with multiple true gates, but they could not be reprogrammed.
yea i dont think they make these master keyable or do they?
Kyle Corey No... it would have to be a custom job.
Hey LPL I just recently picked the new improvements kwikset the uptown in my video number 68 if you are interested in seeing it
Any tips on how to pick this lock..I can't seem to get any feedback from the lock
Whats preventing me from changing bitting on any lock??
Can it be picked by tensioning the slider?
Can you use any kwik set cut key to redo the lock. I tried to use a key with deep cuts and it didn't seem to want to go all the way into the lock
Any tips for if we have one on our house to make it more secure? I just got one like 3 weeks ago from Lowe’s and I’m just not sure if I should or shouldn’t trust it. I know that single pin binding is damn near impossible with the newer model but there is still bumping and whatnot on the table in my head.
No residential burglar is going to pick a door lock. They will just kick the door or take out a window.
These Kwiksets can be drilled and removed in less than 30 seconds, anyway.
Is this identical to the Weiser Smartkey?
My only question is... If I pick the lock using your method, can I rekey it to a new key. This would be handy to know as a maintenance supervisor at apartment complexes using these locks.
It can be rekeyed without the original key if you take it apart.
As long as you can get it turned 90 degrees and insert something into the slot in the front to move the slider cartridge, it can be rekeyed. So, yes.
So the one thing I (Im a Locksmith) am confused or perplexed by is how you were able to put pressure on the side by at all. Because you can pick at these cylinders all day long, but if you don’t put pressure on the side bar, you can line the key pins up to the sheer line, but the cylinder still will not turn. Any answers on that? Does it have something to do with you inserting the tension wrench at the top of the key way?
Its cause this is an older generation that isnt a reverse side bar. The new Gen3s are the ones with the reverse sidebar that needs to be individually tensioned.
could you make a video about rekeying it
Who else has been just trying to open this for hours on end
My kwik set keeps losing the use of the original key.....y??
What he is able to do by unsetting a pin, barely letting off the tension, I have found is a hard skill to master. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is like an undo button if he accidentally sets a pin too high?
Kind of. But there is no guarantee that the over lifted wafer will be the first (or only) one to drop back.
Now do it on the newer model with a square sidebar.
Whats the difference between this kwikset cylinder and the one from your other video where you had to slide the stock shim into the outer edge of the cylinder?
This is an early version of the SmartKey. Video 904 was a Gen3 version with a reverse sidebar.
Can this lock be rekeyed with the smart key without its current key? Or do you need both current key and smartkey to rekey?
It can be rekeyed without the original key.
Would you like a mostly functioning secure key lock?
+technosasquatchfilms Sure! I've never seen or tried one before. What does "mostly functioning" mean?
+LockPickingLawyer the operating key can come out where only the blue change key should, and it's missing a slider
Now that I have your fingerprint,.....I'm wondering what I can open with it?
Any chance you could show us how the sidebar changes, when you want to re-key the lock?
Is it something that requires partial disassembly and reconstruction, when the new key is in place?
Or does the old key "authorise" the tool that puts the sidebar into re-keying mode, and you just swap the old key for a new key, with no disassembly?
Is this lock vulnerable to being re-keyed by an unauthorised person? By that I mean, could someone pick the lock and put in a new key to prevent the old key from working?
hello friend, I was wondering were you got your tools from?
thanks
he has differant manufactures picks. Multipick,or Peterson. I think Multipick.
I've tried picking this lock core unsuccessfully numerous times. What I notice is that no mater how much keyway tension top or bottom, the pins remain springy. I feel ZERO clicking. I can't figure it out for the life of me. Still an amateur when it comes to picking, but if I cannot get the pins to bind with any amount of tension, then it seems unpickable. I've tried, moons, diamonds, hooks and raking. Is there some reason I can't get tension on this type of core?
Check vid # 904, this lock has been redesigned and you've got the newer one.
Can you open these with an electric pick? I have not been able too!
Electric picks have an operating principle that's very similar to bump keys, which don't work with wafer locks.
What do you mean by binding do you think that the people that are new at bypassing smart locks know what binding means on a lock