Franklin Xu if you wanna split hairs the foil came from the small sword/epee de combat as a training weapon, then people found it isn’t that close to a small sword/epee de combat and the epee as we know it has been invented as a blunt equivalent of those swords, Epee de combat was *very* late evolution of the small sword, it was essentially a sharpened modern epee blade, for dueling
These vids are become pretty repetitive. I would suggest since you've gotten videos explaining the rules and what not, to take more of an interview or personal back story approach from now on. For instance, I've seen all these fencers for years, but I don't really know much about them personally. Just a suggestion. Thanks for all the great content!
I suppose, I personally believe that a sport fencer would not survive in a duel against say a classical Italian fencer. For instance the "flick attacks" are complete bs
Olympic fencers are modern athletes who train most days a year and move from one training camp to another and from competition to competition. Classic and HEMA fencers aren't athletes and are more hobbyists. Classical fencers don't see themselves as sportlers anyway but more as martial artists. Don't underestimate the ability of olympic fencers though. Each one of them learns to properly parry and move without getting hit. It's just that on the piste and the sport there's a lot of leeway for "tricks" in the rules. But they're still grade A athletes and fencers who each day , learn to deal with new situations. And even though that blade looks wobbly, a proper thrust will still leave you with bruises even under three layers of protective clothing. Personally I believe that every HEMA hobbyist would simply be body parried and eventually outpaced by an olympic fencer without getting a good hit in. But that's just my opinion
I'm rubbish at foil! :( Even though I spent 4 and a half years with it before I could learn epee! XP Then a year after that I learnt how to fence sabre I may not be that good at fencing all 3 weapons but I least I fence safely with them all! XD
I feel your pain. I too have been fencing foil almost 4 years and at times feel like a total beginner. That said I think to become fully competent in any of the weapons can take up to 10 years. Of course if you fence 3-4 times and week and have one on one lessons this can reduce the time dramatically.
+Michael Naulls Hia Michael! :D We spoke before didn't we? :D Didn't you say you fence all 3 weapons too? I'd like to challenge you in a competition one day matey! :D :D :D XD
Yes I think we did :) I do fence all three weapons but generally only foil at Opens. I shall be at the Norfolk Open this Saturday. After that plan to attend Essex Open. Will you be at any? Fencing yourself would be good fun me thinks!
Well.... Since I'm not allowed to enter novice anymore, I'm gonna wait until either October or November for that competition in either Gateshead or Newcastle that takes place a day, after novice and it is one step above novice. Then after that, deepening on how well I do with either one of the weapons, then maybe, just MAYBE, I might wanna enter competitions more often again in 2017. :) I got a bronze in epee novice last year and that's why I'm not allowed to enter any more novice competitions ever again, not even in foil or sabre! :( Not even the foil Friendlies at Monkton, Jarrow. :( I miss the crack I had there.
Ah that is a shame but well done on that bronze medal. I do recommend attending Opens more. Great learning experience and travel the county a little bit. May try and attend Leeds this year (in Nov). Am sure though our paths will cross one day! :)
First sentence of the video is completely false, let's hope the rest is better, no, it got worse, what is this I am seeing with mine eyes, kill it with fire. No, no, no, and no, but hmm yeah maybe about the white, more off white really but that's not important. This is not how historical duels took place, this is how 2 suicidal frogs perform their mating dance, nice disco lights on your mask though. It's disco time, lets boogy.
I really wish HEMA role players would keep it down a bit. You're just making fools of yourselves by showing how little you understand about an olympic sport every time you show how big that chip on your shoulder is.
@@itsokay7989 mate, not to defend Londinium armoury, although I do think his comment is funny: I've seen you repeatedly talking down on HEMA practicioners, which makes me think that you understand nothing about HEMA. You've in other comments stated that HEMA practicioners (and also classical fencers, but I can not speak on behalf of those since I do not practice it myself, I practice HEMA) are not athletes; which is a fallacy on its own 'cause you are firstly assuming all HEMA practicioners are the same (spoiler alert: not true), and then you are assuming that HEMA does not require athleticism... which is, again, spoiler alert, utterly false. HEMA is a collection of, armed and unarmed, martial arts systems. It is however not, in the slightest, like a LARP-ish or otherwise roleplaying activity... Incidentally, you can often spot that someone has the brain the size of a peanut if they claim that HEMA = roleplay. I do not wish to talk down on olympic fencing however, since it is a valid and cool sport. But it is just that, a sport. Just like HEMA is a sport, the difference being HEMA is also a martial art, where modern fencing has evolved in to worlds most lineair game of tag. So, if you are claiming that fencing is good as a sport, you are absolutely right; but if you are claiming that fencing teaches swordmanship where HEMA doesn't, then you are just wrong, not just wrong, you are an idiot, a moron and a fool. So, I'm sure you just miswrote all your comments and you actually meant to say what I stated above, so this probably isn't actually about you, because you do have a brain larger than a jelly bean do you? But just in case, I hope you stub your toe on the piste.
Chopstick Nah, because HEMA practitioners on the internet are pretentious asses with a superiority complex. It takes no effort at all to go to a fencing video and find some wannabe crusader badass LARPer calling all fencing suicidal stick tag without even knowing what the three weapons are. They’re the most fucking annoying thing about fencing in this day and age, and HEMA would be better off without them.
@@matthewpham9525 Mathew, you know I also fence Epee, I have problems with fencing rules I don't have problems with HEMA rules. You should take up historical fencing, there's nothing LARP about it, it's better than Foil, Sabre, or Epee. Try historical Smallsword fencing at a club, then come back and tell me it's not way mroe fun, and a better workout.
@@londiniumarmoury7037 "Mathew, you know I also fence Epee" No I don't? I still don't care now that I do? "You should take up historical fencing, there's nothing LARP about it" Oh, there's plenty of LARP about HEMA. The main LARPy bit is that people pretend like HEMA is some kind of long running tradition with well established masters, schools and techniques, when in reality everything started when some guys read old fencing manuals written by dead guys in the late 90s to early 2000s. The second main LARPy bit is when practitioners pretend as if what they're doing is a "real fight" and not equally sporty as anything else when they fence. Both of these are fine quite frankly, the bit that annoys me and the rest of the world is when they announce it to everyone like athiest vegans. You and chopstick for example. "Try historical Smallsword fencing at a club, then come back and tell me it's not way mroe fun, and a better workout." Historical smallsword is just epee without the skill or speed. HEMA as a whole might be cooler and more fun, but it's not better by any means, even in terms of a workout.
Thanks Alex! Also congrats on silver at rio!
Isn't epee closer to classic dueling?
Yes epee is based on actual rapier dueling
@@jamesm3142 You mean Smallsword, sport fencing has nothing to do with rapier, Epee and foil both represent smallsword.
Londinium Armoury huh... could have swore foil is based off of the rapier... maybe not?
Franklin Xu
if you wanna split hairs
the foil came from the small sword/epee de combat as a training weapon, then people found it isn’t that close to a small sword/epee de combat and the epee as we know it has been invented as a blunt equivalent of those swords,
Epee de combat was *very* late evolution of the small sword, it was essentially a sharpened modern epee blade, for dueling
These vids are become pretty repetitive. I would suggest since you've gotten videos explaining the rules and what not, to take more of an interview or personal back story approach from now on. For instance, I've seen all these fencers for years, but I don't really know much about them personally. Just a suggestion. Thanks for all the great content!
Agreed.
Can anyone explain where sport fencers are trained? I don't see how it got so thrown off from classical schools of fencing.
But why not do classical fencing?
I suppose, I personally believe that a sport fencer would not survive in a duel against say a classical Italian fencer. For instance the "flick attacks" are complete bs
Mhm, I also have a personal belief that classical schools are simply superior but I can very well be wrong I suppose.
The moves she used is taught to us too.
Olympic fencers are modern athletes who train most days a year and move from one training camp to another and from competition to competition.
Classic and HEMA fencers aren't athletes and are more hobbyists. Classical fencers don't see themselves as sportlers anyway but more as martial artists.
Don't underestimate the ability of olympic fencers though. Each one of them learns to properly parry and move without getting hit. It's just that on the piste and the sport there's a lot of leeway for "tricks" in the rules. But they're still grade A athletes and fencers who each day , learn to deal with new situations. And even though that blade looks wobbly, a proper thrust will still leave you with bruises even under three layers of protective clothing.
Personally I believe that every HEMA hobbyist would simply be body parried and eventually outpaced by an olympic fencer without getting a good hit in. But that's just my opinion
I'm rubbish at foil! :( Even though I spent 4 and a half years with it before I could learn epee! XP Then a year after that I learnt how to fence sabre I may not be that good at fencing all 3 weapons but I least I fence safely with them all! XD
I feel your pain. I too have been fencing foil almost 4 years and at times feel like a total beginner. That said I think to become fully competent in any of the weapons can take up to 10 years. Of course if you fence 3-4 times and week and have one on one lessons this can reduce the time dramatically.
+Michael Naulls Hia Michael! :D We spoke before didn't we? :D Didn't you say you fence all 3 weapons too? I'd like to challenge you in a competition one day matey! :D :D :D XD
Yes I think we did :)
I do fence all three weapons but generally only foil at Opens.
I shall be at the Norfolk Open this Saturday.
After that plan to attend Essex Open. Will you be at any? Fencing yourself would be good fun me thinks!
Well.... Since I'm not allowed to enter novice anymore, I'm gonna wait until either October or November for that competition in either Gateshead or Newcastle that takes place a day, after novice and it is one step above novice. Then after that, deepening on how well I do with either one of the weapons, then maybe, just MAYBE, I might wanna enter competitions more often again in 2017. :) I got a bronze in epee novice last year and that's why I'm not allowed to enter any more novice competitions ever again, not even in foil or sabre! :( Not even the foil Friendlies at Monkton, Jarrow. :( I miss the crack I had there.
Ah that is a shame but well done on that bronze medal. I do recommend attending Opens more. Great learning experience and travel the county a little bit.
May try and attend Leeds this year (in Nov). Am sure though our paths will cross one day! :)
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He's just gorgeous....
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help im an epee player and i am forced to play foil i cant play it please help
His attacks are not attacks those are remesas
First sentence of the video is completely false, let's hope the rest is better, no, it got worse, what is this I am seeing with mine eyes, kill it with fire.
No, no, no, and no, but hmm yeah maybe about the white, more off white really but that's not important. This is not how historical duels took place, this is how 2 suicidal frogs perform their mating dance, nice disco lights on your mask though. It's disco time, lets boogy.
I really wish HEMA role players would keep it down a bit. You're just making fools of yourselves by showing how little you understand about an olympic sport every time you show how big that chip on your shoulder is.
@@itsokay7989 mate, not to defend Londinium armoury, although I do think his comment is funny:
I've seen you repeatedly talking down on HEMA practicioners, which makes me think that you understand nothing about HEMA.
You've in other comments stated that HEMA practicioners (and also classical fencers, but I can not speak on behalf of those since I do not practice it myself, I practice HEMA) are not athletes; which is a fallacy on its own 'cause you are firstly assuming all HEMA practicioners are the same (spoiler alert: not true), and then you are assuming that HEMA does not require athleticism... which is, again, spoiler alert, utterly false.
HEMA is a collection of, armed and unarmed, martial arts systems. It is however not, in the slightest, like a LARP-ish or otherwise roleplaying activity...
Incidentally, you can often spot that someone has the brain the size of a peanut if they claim that HEMA = roleplay.
I do not wish to talk down on olympic fencing however, since it is a valid and cool sport. But it is just that, a sport.
Just like HEMA is a sport, the difference being HEMA is also a martial art, where modern fencing has evolved in to worlds most lineair game of tag.
So, if you are claiming that fencing is good as a sport, you are absolutely right; but if you are claiming that fencing teaches swordmanship where HEMA doesn't, then you are just wrong, not just wrong, you are an idiot, a moron and a fool.
So, I'm sure you just miswrote all your comments and you actually meant to say what I stated above, so this probably isn't actually about you, because you do have a brain larger than a jelly bean do you? But just in case, I hope you stub your toe on the piste.
Chopstick
Nah, because HEMA practitioners on the internet are pretentious asses with a superiority complex. It takes no effort at all to go to a fencing video and find some wannabe crusader badass LARPer calling all fencing suicidal stick tag without even knowing what the three weapons are. They’re the most fucking annoying thing about fencing in this day and age, and HEMA would be better off without them.
@@matthewpham9525 Mathew, you know I also fence Epee, I have problems with fencing rules I don't have problems with HEMA rules. You should take up historical fencing, there's nothing LARP about it, it's better than Foil, Sabre, or Epee. Try historical Smallsword fencing at a club, then come back and tell me it's not way mroe fun, and a better workout.
@@londiniumarmoury7037
"Mathew, you know I also fence Epee"
No I don't? I still don't care now that I do?
"You should take up historical fencing, there's nothing LARP about it"
Oh, there's plenty of LARP about HEMA. The main LARPy bit is that people pretend like HEMA is some kind of long running tradition with well established masters, schools and techniques, when in reality everything started when some guys read old fencing manuals written by dead guys in the late 90s to early 2000s. The second main LARPy bit is when practitioners pretend as if what they're doing is a "real fight" and not equally sporty as anything else when they fence.
Both of these are fine quite frankly, the bit that annoys me and the rest of the world is when they announce it to everyone like athiest vegans. You and chopstick for example.
"Try historical Smallsword fencing at a club, then come back and tell me it's not way mroe fun, and a better workout."
Historical smallsword is just epee without the skill or speed. HEMA as a whole might be cooler and more fun, but it's not better by any means, even in terms of a workout.