When I started fencing I wish there were more explanations like this out there. One thing though that I think is a potential pitfall in the way you explain the flick - at least for foil is how you're saying to tightly grip to accelerate the tip. For small shoulder and flank flicks it works but as soon as you start reaching for deeper target at closer distance if you grip too tightly you'll whiff or bounce out. I think it's important to note that you're pulling with your pinky and ring finger and almost pushing with your thumb and letting the grip move in your hand a little. This keeps your hand soft when the flick hits so the tip stays depressed longer. If you bait the counter attack and know you're going to finish deep to the back, if you tense your hand your flick only works at one distance. If you keep it soft with a really high hand, you can track closer target if someone is ducking and closing. If you tense your hand and wrist you'll never be able to hit back from infighting distance.
Hello. I'm Japanese fencing coach. This video is so useful for me. I made video which shows those flick to Japanese fencer. (I link to your video and refer to you)Thank you.
I am an epee fencer who fence for 4 years and I know how to flick,actually flick the sword is just very easy,if you are a fencer,you know how to stab a hand,if you want to stab the upper part of the hand,you need to let the plate of the sword higher than the sword and the stabbing angle will be like at 20 degree,but flicking is a thing that you put some finger powers and wrist powers on the tip of your sword,good thing of flick is people are harder parry your sword and the bad thing is your hand will be stabbed easier because u will waste a little more time for having the momentum of the flick,so when you flick don’t make a motion like a bow,keep the momentum forward
Just to describe a different approach -- the technique in the video is not how I learned to flick. The way my coach usually teaches it, landing the flick is more about wrist angulation than about bending the blade so it lands. So, if you were trying to flick to the shoulder, you would move your wrist high and pull the point down on the shoulder with your finger (i.e move your wrist down a little bit, but the main downward motion is through your the grip moving in your hand if that makes sense). When you do it with speed, even if you overshoot the shoulder a little bit, the flex in the blade will generally land on the back.
Please stress practice before actually attempting the flick in a bout, I had one of the small bones broken in my wrist by someone that was not quite proficient with it, and yes I had an FIE rated glove on.
I have a hard time believing that the fencer in the video who had his foil blade actually pointing back behind him had "his point threatening valid target." I get it if his is the only light, but if the end result (the flick landing, in this case) is the determining factor of what is "threatening valid target," then any movement that lands can be defined as a threat. This makes right of way concepts virtually subjective.
nice, as usual, thanks. When i make flick i try do it with same biomechanic of saber hits. Work by wrist, not forearm, for not open it for counter. And cos it like hits, just maden by top of blade, i hit to the front of body or mask,from maximum distance . Way that you show appropriate for close fight, when opponent quickly short the distance, i think.
The good thing about flick hitters, learn to do the double step prime hit in the groin.. flick hitters are trash..Beat and flick.. oh wait to flick won't work when you understand go forward not backward.. The first thing I learned, waving the blade behind your ear is not an attack.. Seeding parry they have zero replies, it's always about making the react.. Ps in epee go for the foot... Pointy bit first, they walk into it, but they need to extend that foot first.
i love olympic fencing, but this is where i draw the line. flicking to hit with the point instead of stabbing, with a flexible training analog, made to help you train fencing with a stiff, edgeless sword? if you really want to not stab every once in a while, youre welcome into sabre. or actually learn real fencing with historical fencing, if thats why you began fencing in the first place. a lot of people start sports fencing because they want to know how to use a sword and stuff, youre at the wrong place mate. HEMA is what youre looking for. if its just fun and skill based competition youre looking for, thats exactly what sports fencing is.
You're absolutely wrong because a flicking motion still works with stiffer blades, it just stings a bit more for your opponent if you fuck up the distance because you're basically smacking them with the flat of your blade. Flicking as a concept isn't exactly ahistorical, you're essentially thrusting with a rotating/cutting motion, instead of a purely linear motion which you seem to think thrusts always have to be. If you've fenced longsword at all, you should know there are techniques in KdF like zornhau and schielhau which are basically thrusts in opposition formed by cutting motions.
Great explanation as usual! Not a fan of the move though, as I've always considered it to be a cheat move, derived for the sport and not an actual martial attack. That's not to say it's not effective in the sport of fencing.
I agree. It seems to me that fencing rules should reflect the original purpose of the art, which was dueling. In an actual duel, it is highly doubtful that this move would serve any purpose other than to cause the opponent to lose concentration, as he would temporarily be overcome with the giggles.
Fencing is (or should be) a martial art. The art should be the ability to kill a person who's trying to kill you without getting killed. The art should NOT be to score a few points. Fencing is not (or should not be) a game that you can compare with tennis. It's this kind of moves, the silly rules and the weight and design of the weapons that turned fencing into tennis and caused the birth of HEMA. The FIE actually killed fencing.
When I started fencing I wish there were more explanations like this out there. One thing though that I think is a potential pitfall in the way you explain the flick - at least for foil is how you're saying to tightly grip to accelerate the tip. For small shoulder and flank flicks it works but as soon as you start reaching for deeper target at closer distance if you grip too tightly you'll whiff or bounce out. I think it's important to note that you're pulling with your pinky and ring finger and almost pushing with your thumb and letting the grip move in your hand a little. This keeps your hand soft when the flick hits so the tip stays depressed longer. If you bait the counter attack and know you're going to finish deep to the back, if you tense your hand your flick only works at one distance. If you keep it soft with a really high hand, you can track closer target if someone is ducking and closing. If you tense your hand and wrist you'll never be able to hit back from infighting distance.
Hello. I'm Japanese fencing coach. This video is so useful for me. I made video which shows those flick to Japanese fencer. (I link to your video and refer to you)Thank you.
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I wish you to continue doing these stuffs. Love you work!!
Thank you for your video. all time i was search fencing training video and now it begin!
So essentially for a flick I need to know
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You are extremely good coach. Thank you for video
Ty for ur all videos
Good video,thanks for sharing
I am an epee fencer who fence for 4 years and I know how to flick,actually flick the sword is just very easy,if you are a fencer,you know how to stab a hand,if you want to stab the upper part of the hand,you need to let the plate of the sword higher than the sword and the stabbing angle will be like at 20 degree,but flicking is a thing that you put some finger powers and wrist powers on the tip of your sword,good thing of flick is people are harder parry your sword and the bad thing is your hand will be stabbed easier because u will waste a little more time for having the momentum of the flick,so when you flick don’t make a motion like a bow,keep the momentum forward
Can you make a video about primes? I couldn’t find anything about primes
I say Whip it.....whip it good!..
Just to describe a different approach -- the technique in the video is not how I learned to flick. The way my coach usually teaches it, landing the flick is more about wrist angulation than about bending the blade so it lands. So, if you were trying to flick to the shoulder, you would move your wrist high and pull the point down on the shoulder with your finger (i.e move your wrist down a little bit, but the main downward motion is through your the grip moving in your hand if that makes sense). When you do it with speed, even if you overshoot the shoulder a little bit, the flex in the blade will generally land on the back.
More important then all of these is good distance and footwork
Hi @fencersedge Coach Tyler, as your épée is very flexible, would you be able to share the Épée brand and blade type?
Please advise.
Thanks!
David
Good video
Flicking riposte is the best move i have
Andrew Chung opposition 6? Or 8?
Universal Dirp parry 6 flick to shoulder
@@andrewchung8166 wait, do you do epee or foil
Very nice work coach.
Please stress practice before actually attempting the flick in a bout, I had one of the small bones broken in my wrist by someone that was not quite proficient with it, and yes I had an FIE rated glove on.
RandomThoughts ok wait you learned to flick only at your second year? Wow....
Amen. Our coach insists that we first work with her and then practice on willing opponents before we try in bouts.
Best foil blade in flick
yes it is very helpful thanks for the tips 😊😊😊
I have a hard time believing that the fencer in the video who had his foil blade actually pointing back behind him had "his point threatening valid target." I get it if his is the only light, but if the end result (the flick landing, in this case) is the determining factor of what is "threatening valid target," then any movement that lands can be defined as a threat. This makes right of way concepts virtually subjective.
Cool
Do you think that marche always have to be short? I think that When i am trying to close the distance, long marche can be more better than the short.
Sir or anyone else who's reading,
Do I have to choose 'Medium' blade to flick? Is it impossible to flick with 'Dure' blades?
Any tip for how to prevent blade from rusting
Don't soak in water 🌊
Vinegar helps great to un rust, I'm guessing your not a sabre fencer because our blades usually don't live long enough to rust 😅
Coat it with a layer of zinc, painting it also helps but idk if thats allowed.
Nice 👍👍👌👌
What blade flexibility do you recommend?
hey, nice video. Thumb up. By the way, can you show us some useful epee lessons, we can do with a partner?
Is it fair (useful) to say “timing” is manufactured by distance?
why do they do this instead of a regular thrust for a touch
Welp, I knew my MMA background might cary over a bit to fencing but I never thought my fly fishing background would.
nice, as usual, thanks. When i make flick i try do it with same biomechanic of saber hits. Work by wrist, not forearm, for not open it for counter. And cos it like hits, just maden by top of blade, i hit to the front of body or mask,from maximum distance . Way that you show appropriate for close fight, when opponent quickly short the distance, i think.
What glove is that?
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Sir how to flick back side
Pls release a video about back flick
I don't know if my blade is flexible enough
Idk how you do it
The good thing about flick hitters, learn to do the double step prime hit in the groin.. flick hitters are trash..Beat and flick.. oh wait to flick won't work when you understand go forward not backward.. The first thing I learned, waving the blade behind your ear is not an attack.. Seeding parry they have zero replies, it's always about making the react.. Ps in epee go for the foot... Pointy bit first, they walk into it, but they need to extend that foot first.
My foil isn’t that bendy
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i love olympic fencing, but this is where i draw the line. flicking to hit with the point instead of stabbing, with a flexible training analog, made to help you train fencing with a stiff, edgeless sword? if you really want to not stab every once in a while, youre welcome into sabre. or actually learn real fencing with historical fencing, if thats why you began fencing in the first place. a lot of people start sports fencing because they want to know how to use a sword and stuff, youre at the wrong place mate. HEMA is what youre looking for. if its just fun and skill based competition youre looking for, thats exactly what sports fencing is.
You're absolutely wrong because a flicking motion still works with stiffer blades, it just stings a bit more for your opponent if you fuck up the distance because you're basically smacking them with the flat of your blade.
Flicking as a concept isn't exactly ahistorical, you're essentially thrusting with a rotating/cutting motion, instead of a purely linear motion which you seem to think thrusts always have to be. If you've fenced longsword at all, you should know there are techniques in KdF like zornhau and schielhau which are basically thrusts in opposition formed by cutting motions.
Shhhh let people enjoy things
mald, cry, shit your pants even
so you’re just against the progression of the sport? how fun
Great explanation as usual! Not a fan of the move though, as I've always considered it to be a cheat move, derived for the sport and not an actual martial attack. That's not to say it's not effective in the sport of fencing.
I agree. It seems to me that fencing rules should reflect the original purpose of the art, which was dueling. In an actual duel, it is highly doubtful that this move would serve any purpose other than to cause the opponent to lose concentration, as he would temporarily be overcome with the giggles.
9D13 Ho Wang Clement KWOK your coach is wrong.
well this IS the sport of fencing, not martial arts.
@@suda2849 I know several Olympic medalists who think you're coach is ridiculously wrong.
Fencing is (or should be) a martial art. The art should be the ability to kill a person who's trying to kill you without getting killed. The art should NOT be to score a few points. Fencing is not (or should not be) a game that you can compare with tennis. It's this kind of moves, the silly rules and the weight and design of the weapons that turned fencing into tennis and caused the birth of HEMA. The FIE actually killed fencing.