I think you need to move every turn. Change "Give Martin a Queen" to "Move, then give Martin a Queen". If you can't execute an action, "Move, then give Martin a Queen". "Move, then get a Pawn". That will make the game moving and that should give you more control and feel more like chess (but with a wheel). I guess you will have a problem that after you Move, Martin will immediately make a move. So maybe if you want to give a Queen: Move, Martin Moves, give him a Queen, then spin again...
@@meissmart6678 Then there is the problem that you always place the queen in a spot where you take it immediately so the queen isn't really there - you would just place it on a spot where you want to reposition your knight, for example. Unless you would make a rule that you can't take the new queen immediately after you place it. Then it would work.
I'd suggest having any time you get a result that gives a piece it is then followed by a move instead of another spin to prevent giving a bunch of pieces back to back. This would include being unable to capture/check. Should make things go a bit faster for you, and give you a chance to react to the new queen.
That would completely nullify the consequences of Martin getting a new queen tho. If you automatically get to move right after you place the queen, you can just place it where you could just capture it right away.
@@rockinblues7491 I guess you could since there isn't any rule about how to place the queen, but assuming you don't place them quite that freely (which he wasn't), and remember that it is still a move you might not want to make since you may have wanted to capture something already on the board.
Well at like 14:19 you can just put your pawn on g6 (you win if you roll move next turn but I don’t know if it’s too easy if you can do this.btw if you can’t you can try to put martin’s queen in front of you room or something to capture it right after
What I don't understand is, if giving Martin a queen counts as a move then why didn't you place a queen next to your rook every promotion? He never would have had a chance to have an extra queen...
Change the options to something like: "Move and then Give a Queen" and "Move and then get a pawn" This way, you will always be able to move and limit it to 1 extra queen per move. Also, if possible don't make all the options with the same weight. Looking at the other comments, I agree with many there... Would be great if the new queen position is random, but this could be tragic. Give it one more try as is, but without that "if I can't do it, then I will give an extra queen part". Instead, if you can't do whatever you have to do, just spin it again. Considering, for example, a position where there's only one legal move allowed, there's a chance you would fill the board with queens before being allowed to do the only legal move. And what would you do if the first spin is "check" or "capture"?
@@Anewedition2024 Actually it's closer to 5. Maybe 6. I sometimes watch a bit, then make a comment, then watch a bit more. Then 1 more final comment at the end when i'm done watching.
Here are my suggestions for next time : Replace "give martin a queen" to "give martin a random piece" (and spin another wheel with all 5 pieces with equal pfobability) Add some rules to where you can place pieces. I know you do it fairly, but you should add some contidions. Like you can’t place one of your pawns in the 7th rank (even 4th rank is too high) nor place it where it can capture a piece (so 11:00 should have not be legal). And for the opponent’s pieces you add, same thing you can’t place it where you can capture it The "move" should have 50% to get rolled i think, and maybe rename it to "no conditions" (so that there is no ambiguity for if a capture/check is legal when you roll this)
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Maybe rather make the piece probability inverse of their value.
@ yeah, definitely, I just think being 9 times more likely to give a pawn than a queen is kind of too weak. But yeah, that does depend on the other parameters as well
I think if you land on an option you can’t do, you should re spin the wheel. Each time you land on something you can’t do (blunder, check or capture), it’s like having 3 extra slices that mean giving Martin a Queen. The odds of you giving Martin a Queen are a lot higher than they appear, making it a lot more difficult to win!
While I agree with the assessment, I think that the second was very interesting because Nelson had to adjust his strategy to be able to perform the actions in order to avoid giving Martin the queen.
Or omit the add-a-piece complex altogether. Roll a d12. An even number means move like normal. A 5, 7, or 11 means capture if possible. A 3 or 9 means check if possible. And a 1 means play a move that is, to the best of your knowledge, a blunder. A result you cannot obey means re-roll.
Only 3/8 choices actually let you move. Also you could be more aggressive with pawn placement when you get a free one. Use the pawn to fork his pieces. Or put one on the 7th rank
One of the tweaks I think you could make, is that after 'Give Martin a Queen', you shouldn't have to roll the spinner again, you just automatically get a 'move' afterwards. This could also apply to giving yourself a pawn but doesn't need to, it's mainly so that the game doesn't get locked down by giving Martin pieces over and over again as I feel that sometimes it got bogged down by that without advancing the game state. Adding some rules to how the free pieces/pawns are allowed to be given out might also be a good idea, as while in this I feel you did it pretty fairly, having a bit more structure might be nice so that you can't say place a pawn on the 7th rank for a free queen on the next move. Another thought is that maybe instead of just 'Give Martin a Queen', you have it so that there's a 'Give Martin a Rook', 'Give Martin a Bishop', and 'Give Martin a knight' and you have all 4 of these options have 1/4th the chance of being chosen relative to everything else (non-valid rolls like 'check' when you can't give one just result in a re-roll). You could also potentially replace one of the 'Move' options with something like 'Push', where you have to move a piece/pawn but are not allowed to capture.
I agree then if he spins the wheel and it lands on like give Martin a queen he should just move and give Martin a queen, and same if he can’t give a check or capture he should still be able to move after those options
@arandomgamer3088I love the image of Stockfish seeing a mate 5, executing the initial move(s), then gets tagged out and Martin blunders mate in 1 immediately somehow.
@@ArCgon he sees when he has mate in 1, but he ofc still blunders mate in 1 opportunities for the opponent, that’s what I was referring to. Like stockfish seems m5, plays the first 3 moves till m2, then Martin does something stupid and blunders m1 against him.
Glad someone else noticed it too, he's being too harsh on himself with the blunders. Just cause he has to blunder doesn't mean he has to do the worst one
I loved the idea of a regenerating pawn storm versus the queen army! As other commenters have said, this would work beautifully with a slightly larger portion of the wheel being 'move'
Here is my idea. Feel free to modify it as you see fit or discard it entirely Nelson. I welcome any suggestions from anyone in the replies :). Also, if you have a way to send this to Nelson so that he may be more likely to see it, I have no problem with that, but please try to simplify it(or improve it) first if you can and don’t mind. Now onto the LONG idea, bare with me. When you roll an option you can’t do, you can use the eval bar to determine who gets what. [0.0 or Nelson’s advantage: (martin gets a queen). An advantage of 2-5 for Martin: (Martin gets a rook). An advantage of 6-9 for Martin: (Martin gets a knight). An advantage of 10-12 for Martin: (Martin gets a bishop). An advantage of 13-19 for Martin: (Martin gets 2 pawns). An advantage of 20-25 for Martin: (Martin gets 1 pawn). An advantage of >25 for Martin: (the system reverses in favour of Nelson per 5 advantage added on). Eg. 30 for Martin: (Nelson gets 1 pawn), 35: Nelson gets 2 pawns, 40: Nelson gets a knight or bishop (his choice), 45: Nelson gets the piece he didn’t choose from bishop or knight, etc. For M2 in favour of Martin: Nelson can move one of his pawns to any square (can only be done once every 5 moves, so if in cooldown, Nelson has to move one of his pawns one square backwards except any pawns in adjacent files to the moved pawn.) For any forced mate that nelson has < 7, Nelson must must move one of his pawns(including en Passant) first then for 2 rolls, Nelson can make any legal move.] Finally, if Nelson cannot do his eval-based move, Nelson must roll again. EASTER EGG: if Martin uses en Passant, Nelson gets a queen or to re-roll the roll after the en Passant (his choice).
I could have told you from the start this would go horribly. Having a 50% chance of something going wrong in a game with dozens of moves is going to mean a stupidly large number of bad things happening.
Change it so that 'Move' has to actually be a move, not a capture. But it takes up more space of the pie than it already does. Capture should change to 'capture or give Martin a Queen' and is also slightly larger in pie-area. Maybe do a couple of very thin pie segments for 'give martin a bishop', 'give martin a knight', etc. ....And Maybe one very small segment for 'Nelson gets a knight'. Maybe it'l come up at crucial moments and save you ;)
Added to this, maybe have some segments that are 'Move or Capture' so if you roll that, then you do get to choose and do exactly what you want. - This was how you were playing 'move' in this version.
You should be able to move every turn, and the spin is just a modifier. If you land on "move" on the spinner, then you just don't have a negative modifier
I think you don't understand the engine definition of blunder. You always went for the worst possible blunder when you had like 5 other, much less awful blunder options
I love this idea! But it's best to incorporate more normal moves in there. How about something like... -Move or Capture (2) -Move Only (2) -Capture Only (2) -Blunder (2) -Give Martin A Queen (1) -Give Nelson A Pawn (1) 70% of the moves are beneficial for you, but it's also challenging because 20% of them have a forced capture, which means you have to strategize to make sure one is available. Since Martin only gets a queen 10% of the time, you won't run away into this runaway queen nightmare
If you could just put his new queen wherever you wanted, why not just put it where you could take it? lol Edit: to make it fun, have something like this on the wheel: 20% give martin a pawn/bishop/knight/rook/queen (4% each) and spin again, 30% move, 20% blunder, 15% capture, 15% check
I think that the second set of settings is actually really good and that the best way to go forward is to develop some better strategies to help give you “bad” options without losing your advantages Practicing for a few games off camera while allowing extra time to analyze may help to get an idea for which moves to make that are very different from normal strong moves
Challenge If martin attacks any of your pieces they will turns into a statue except the king . You can only move the statue pieces by putting any of your piece near them .if any piece is already near them before they were attacked, then they don't turn into a statue.
Yes, the benefit is to attack the rook in h7 but you cannot do that because it is too easy if you are gonna put it on your opponent’s side so you can only put pawns on your side of the game and not technically anywhere.
This is such a clever idea. I actually kind of like random chance in strategy games like this. I am wondering if anyone has suggestions for abstract strategy games with some input randomness/luck involved.
You need like at least 1/3 of the wheel as "move" (if move allows capture, if move doesn't allow capture then capture also needs to have much bigger segment). I think you could also divide the "give Martin a queen" into multiple different ones around the board like "give Martin a horse/bishp/pawn" etc. so it's not just fighting against queens. Actually I think that balances itself enough that you don't even need to give yourself pawns anymore. Maybe.
You can definitely win this, but you need to obliterate one of his sides at all cost, then set yourself to get pawns with free promotions. You got a million wheel-gift pawns, if half of them were queens you'dve had something to work with.
Chess but you can't move to or capture or move through the four center squares d4 d5 e4 e5.. The bots can use them normally.. Knights can move around the edge of the mountain for example N from d3 is allowed to move to f4 . . .. Special rules about Checks and Checkmate = Checks which go through the center squares are not allowed.. You are not allowed to do a check that relies on a piece to defend it through the center even if it's checkmate.. . For example: Black K on c8, ..White B on h2. and White Q on f7. The White Q can't move to c7 because the B on h2 is NOT defending the Q. on c7, because the Bishop can't defend the Q through the center squares, so you can't make that Q move (unless some other piece not working through the mountain can defend). (Why? The Computer would think the Bishop is defending the Q for checkmate.) .. Play against Nelson. You can call it "She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes." These variations are neat. I'm not great on explaining things so please ask for clarification. Would really like to see how you work without being able to access the center squares or go through them.
4:26 "How do you like those five queens, Martin? They don't help you!" * "Give Martin A Queen" comes up on the spinner. (Eventually, there won't be any blank squares.) 8:35 Martin plays the Grob!
These silly little exercises in futility always end badly. Maybe time for a “!!” move instead. Like “Give Nelson an extra queen”, and “Give Stockfish a free pawn”, but you have to play Stockfish at its highest level, not poor old Martin.
move is move (not capture), add a "skip" where it just goes back to his turn. also, it feels like you were not playing strategically, I'm not that good at chess so maybe this is completly false, but i felt like you could have placed some of those pawns in really threatening ways (forks, checks...) but just played defensively, same with the queens, if u are planning to promote your pawn wouldn't you just place his queen in the pawns path and capture afterwards? did you had some extra rules in the pawn/queen spawning like placing pawns only on your side of the board?
At first I thought with both sides being given pieces the game could be infinite. But actually chess has a max amount of moves even with adding pieces since eventually (I mean a loooooong impossible universe ending eventually) you would still 3 fold repeat. All those Pawns becoming knights bishops queens moving all over the board. You'd be able to keep pawn moves and captures available so no 50 move end. But eventually all board states would happen. No matter what rules u used to add any piece at any time to both sides their is a finite (though ridiculous) amou t of board states. So eventually you'd hit every single one twice and then the next move draws
Another challenge idea: Play against Stockfish with the wheel of luck. In 4 out of 5 wheel slots, you play a move. If you land on the 5th one, you get to remove one of Stockfish's pieces: use another random number generator to decide which piece type you can remove, based on how many of each piece is left. For example: if there are three stockfish pawns and two knights remaining, the number generator should have a 3/5 probability of choosing pawn, and 2/5 of choosing knight. If you land on pawn, you can pick which pawn you want to remove (you'll need as much agency as you can get).
I thought of this as well! Have the wheel be mostly good things for the player. Could even have slots for giving yourself a piece. Or a slot for “Martin makes Stockfish’s next move” etc. Would be fun!
You should have make the "give martin a queen" "give martin a queen and move." Giving him multiple extra queens per move isn't even close to fair. Also I've noticed on multiple videos you run out of memory on you tabs. What OS are you on? If you are on Mac or Linux you should set up some swap space.
Besides getting 3 blunders in a row really early on, I think you could've made it easier on yourself if you hadn't developed like it was a normal chess game. when you can't check, capture, or blunder in a position it raises the likelihood of giving martin a queen to more than 50%, which just isn't sustainable
Since the wheel inevitably favors Martin (giving him queens faster than you can take them, forcing you to squander your own pieces), I think it's better to aim for the fastest possible win (e.g., scholar's mate) and minimize the impact. It seemed like you were trying to play normal chess against a skilled opponent, instead of chaos chess against a newbie with random cheat powers.
I did the challenge. My results: Without the "get a pawn" option, I lost. With that option, I also lost. So I replaced it with "get a knight" and won. btw I'm new to chess, so I made it so that in the blunder option you can also make an inacurracy/mistake.
In games of RNG there is a reason why you have a large set of variables; you're playing with too little variables in other words. I'm still trying to become a game designer, and this is a common flaw; you need more RNG elements here to stop something like this from happening, otherwise you'll snowball the difficulty, and not in a fun or fair way.
You gave yourself pawns on passive squares and gave Martin queens on safe squares. Give him a new queen being attacked by your pawns. Give yourself a pawn that's attacking his pieces. Also, maybe we should change "give a new piece" to be "give a new piece + move" so you don't chain it.
I think changing it to ban yourself from certain moves is a more interesting idea than giving Martin a queen. Any Move. Must Capture Must Check No capture or Check Blunder
Personally, I wouod have changed "Give Martin a Queen" to "Give Martin a Piece" and made a seperate wheel with the names of each piece on it (except King, of course) so that the piece Martin got would be random.
You made this too hard on yourself. Also, on the "give Martin a queen" spins, you gave him a queen and then spun again. It obviously depends on how you want to do this, but it felt to me like you should just get to move after giving him a queen. Like, it felt like you spun twice for those turns to me. Love your content Nelson.
i think you were fooled by the 3 green fields. the slice has 7 fields, only 3 are green. that means in more than half of all moves you don't get green. and of the other 4 fields only 50% are advantageous for you. and the bad 50% are right next to each other.... they're screwing you^^
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In fact, Martin spins a similar wheel for his moves. It has 9 "blunder" and 1 "move"
Unless it's mate in one.
It's ". . . Martin spins* a . . ." Mr. Ivan Vasl'yev.
@@MrMinecraft5578 ok, I redacteds
@@ИванВасильев-б9ъOk but, *reacted. Also did I get the name right?
@@MrMinecraft5578 ngl u sounding like a nerd but alr
It's such joy when he gets a pawn, even if it's a mere pawn, and Martin has the ability to get a whole queen.
Nelson asking whats the best blunder, was the funniest thing I’ve seen in chess
I think you need to move every turn. Change "Give Martin a Queen" to "Move, then give Martin a Queen". If you can't execute an action, "Move, then give Martin a Queen". "Move, then get a Pawn". That will make the game moving and that should give you more control and feel more like chess (but with a wheel).
I guess you will have a problem that after you Move, Martin will immediately make a move. So maybe if you want to give a Queen: Move, Martin Moves, give him a Queen, then spin again...
how about “Give Martin a Queen, then Move”
@@meissmart6678 Then there is the problem that you always place the queen in a spot where you take it immediately so the queen isn't really there - you would just place it on a spot where you want to reposition your knight, for example. Unless you would make a rule that you can't take the new queen immediately after you place it. Then it would work.
Change it to "Give Martin a Knight" and make it "Nelson gets a Bishop".
Make the”give Martin a Queen”into give him a rook.
In the second game when you had to blunder the queen, ,you couldve blundered a knight instead
You shouldn'tve had to respin every time you gave martin a queen but rather just did a move you wanted to.
Mistake:Nxf7 in the first game is actually not a blunder, which makes a trap: Taking on f7 allows a perpetual.
You should have put Martin's Queen somewhere where you can capture it.
give yourself a rook.
I'd suggest having any time you get a result that gives a piece it is then followed by a move instead of another spin to prevent giving a bunch of pieces back to back. This would include being unable to capture/check. Should make things go a bit faster for you, and give you a chance to react to the new queen.
That would completely nullify the consequences of Martin getting a new queen tho. If you automatically get to move right after you place the queen, you can just place it where you could just capture it right away.
@@rockinblues7491 I guess you could since there isn't any rule about how to place the queen, but assuming you don't place them quite that freely (which he wasn't), and remember that it is still a move you might not want to make since you may have wanted to capture something already on the board.
Well at like 14:19 you can just put your pawn on g6 (you win if you roll move next turn but I don’t know if it’s too easy if you can do this.btw if you can’t you can try to put martin’s queen in front of you room or something to capture it right after
What I don't understand is, if giving Martin a queen counts as a move then why didn't you place a queen next to your rook every promotion? He never would have had a chance to have an extra queen...
Change the options to something like:
"Move and then Give a Queen"
and
"Move and then get a pawn"
This way, you will always be able to move and limit it to 1 extra queen per move.
Also, if possible don't make all the options with the same weight.
Looking at the other comments, I agree with many there...
Would be great if the new queen position is random, but this could be tragic.
Give it one more try as is, but without that "if I can't do it, then I will give an extra queen part". Instead, if you can't do whatever you have to do, just spin it again.
Considering, for example, a position where there's only one legal move allowed, there's a chance you would fill the board with queens before being allowed to do the only legal move.
And what would you do if the first spin is "check" or "capture"?
12:02 there was ng6 forking the rook and the queen!
10:29 g4 because discovery attack
Bruv free queen 💀💀
3 move 1 blunder 1 give a queen 1 capture... what take when spin?
of course 3 blunder and 3 queen
OMG, you should have put a MUCH larger percentage of the pie as 'move' - This went exactly as I expected with these segments.
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@@Anewedition2024 Actually it's closer to 5. Maybe 6. I sometimes watch a bit, then make a comment, then watch a bit more. Then 1 more final comment at the end when i'm done watching.
@@Supergoon1989 smart
@@Supergoon1989 i'm always scared of doing that because it makes me look like a spammer and annoying
@@RubyPiec same
“What’s the best blunder” never thought I would hear that from him 😂
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I wounder why he didn't watch the game review for seeing if those moves were really blunders or not 😂
G2-G4
And eval bar
Here are my suggestions for next time :
Replace "give martin a queen" to "give martin a random piece" (and spin another wheel with all 5 pieces with equal pfobability)
Add some rules to where you can place pieces. I know you do it fairly, but you should add some contidions. Like you can’t place one of your pawns in the 7th rank (even 4th rank is too high) nor place it where it can capture a piece (so 11:00 should have not be legal). And for the opponent’s pieces you add, same thing you can’t place it where you can capture it
The "move" should have 50% to get rolled i think, and maybe rename it to "no conditions" (so that there is no ambiguity for if a capture/check is legal when you roll this)
Maybe rather make the piece probability inverse of their value.
@ that's probably too weak then
Maybe queen to rook next time
@@user-sl6gn1ss8p there's literally infinite number of functions and their parameters, I think it's possible to find sweet spot.
@ yeah, definitely, I just think being 9 times more likely to give a pawn than a queen is kind of too weak. But yeah, that does depend on the other parameters as well
10:25 How about Knight to G5? It blunders the knight because his knight or Queen can just take it, and you have it undefended.
True
I thought the same thing 😅😅
Me too.
He seems to miss a lot of knight blunders
same
I think if you land on an option you can’t do, you should re spin the wheel. Each time you land on something you can’t do (blunder, check or capture), it’s like having 3 extra slices that mean giving Martin a Queen. The odds of you giving Martin a Queen are a lot higher than they appear, making it a lot more difficult to win!
While I agree with the assessment, I think that the second was very interesting because Nelson had to adjust his strategy to be able to perform the actions in order to avoid giving Martin the queen.
Or omit the add-a-piece complex altogether. Roll a d12. An even number means move like normal. A 5, 7, or 11 means capture if possible. A 3 or 9 means check if possible. And a 1 means play a move that is, to the best of your knowledge, a blunder. A result you cannot obey means re-roll.
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Oops I didn’t want to type😂
Rats I just commented the exact same thing
Only 3/8 choices actually let you move. Also you could be more aggressive with pawn placement when you get a free one. Use the pawn to fork his pieces. Or put one on the 7th rank
One of the tweaks I think you could make, is that after 'Give Martin a Queen', you shouldn't have to roll the spinner again, you just automatically get a 'move' afterwards. This could also apply to giving yourself a pawn but doesn't need to, it's mainly so that the game doesn't get locked down by giving Martin pieces over and over again as I feel that sometimes it got bogged down by that without advancing the game state. Adding some rules to how the free pieces/pawns are allowed to be given out might also be a good idea, as while in this I feel you did it pretty fairly, having a bit more structure might be nice so that you can't say place a pawn on the 7th rank for a free queen on the next move.
Another thought is that maybe instead of just 'Give Martin a Queen', you have it so that there's a 'Give Martin a Rook', 'Give Martin a Bishop', and 'Give Martin a knight' and you have all 4 of these options have 1/4th the chance of being chosen relative to everything else (non-valid rolls like 'check' when you can't give one just result in a re-roll). You could also potentially replace one of the 'Move' options with something like 'Push', where you have to move a piece/pawn but are not allowed to capture.
I agree then if he spins the wheel and it lands on like give Martin a queen he should just move and give Martin a queen, and same if he can’t give a check or capture he should still be able to move after those options
10:30 he could've played Ng5
I think it'd be interessting with one option being "tag out". That swiches opponant from martin to stockfish and back.
@arandomgamer3088I love the image of Stockfish seeing a mate 5, executing the initial move(s), then gets tagged out and Martin blunders mate in 1 immediately somehow.
@@DaTimmeh Usually even Martin is able to see mates in 1 (as he did in both games here).
@@ArCgon he sees when he has mate in 1, but he ofc still blunders mate in 1 opportunities for the opponent, that’s what I was referring to. Like stockfish seems m5, plays the first 3 moves till m2, then Martin does something stupid and blunders m1 against him.
Oh wow I guessed where you were going to place every queen you gave Martin and every pawn you gave yourself 😅 I’m feeling pretty smart
10:33 You had knight g5
4:26😂 right when he said the queens don't help he just got another one
At 10:35 you could have blundered knight on G5
I was screaming this at my screen 😭😭
@@okok72277 same
10:40 You could have blunder your knight on h3 with Ng5.
Glad someone else noticed it too, he's being too harsh on himself with the blunders. Just cause he has to blunder doesn't mean he has to do the worst one
Yes
I loved the idea of a regenerating pawn storm versus the queen army! As other commenters have said, this would work beautifully with a slightly larger portion of the wheel being 'move'
I'd like to see a match with 2 grand masters playing both with the wheels
THAT would be very interesting indeed!
Magnum Carlos vs hikaru
7:05 If you play this clip near a Google Home, it'll think he said "Ok Google"
Haha
The truth is Martin's been using this wheel the entire time
When you have to give or receive a piece you shouldn't be spinning again IMO: it should be Martin's move next. This was fun by the way. 🤩
He can’t do that: that is not how that site works
@@apolo7178you sure? Can’t you decide who moves next when making a custom position?
@@grubbygeorge2117 either way its a bad idea, nobody moves you just give martin extra material theres no reason to make it his turn
Here is my idea. Feel free to modify it as you see fit or discard it entirely Nelson. I welcome any suggestions from anyone in the replies :). Also, if you have a way to send this to Nelson so that he may be more likely to see it, I have no problem with that, but please try to simplify it(or improve it) first if you can and don’t mind. Now onto the LONG idea, bare with me. When you roll an option you can’t do, you can use the eval bar to determine who gets what. [0.0 or Nelson’s advantage: (martin gets a queen). An advantage of 2-5 for Martin: (Martin gets a rook). An advantage of 6-9 for Martin: (Martin gets a knight). An advantage of 10-12 for Martin: (Martin gets a bishop). An advantage of 13-19 for Martin: (Martin gets 2 pawns). An advantage of 20-25 for Martin: (Martin gets 1 pawn). An advantage of >25 for Martin: (the system reverses in favour of Nelson per 5 advantage added on). Eg. 30 for Martin: (Nelson gets 1 pawn), 35: Nelson gets 2 pawns, 40: Nelson gets a knight or bishop (his choice), 45: Nelson gets the piece he didn’t choose from bishop or knight, etc. For M2 in favour of Martin: Nelson can move one of his pawns to any square (can only be done once every 5 moves, so if in cooldown, Nelson has to move one of his pawns one square backwards except any pawns in adjacent files to the moved pawn.) For any forced mate that nelson has < 7, Nelson must must move one of his pawns(including en Passant) first then for 2 rolls, Nelson can make any legal move.] Finally, if Nelson cannot do his eval-based move, Nelson must roll again. EASTER EGG: if Martin uses en Passant, Nelson gets a queen or to re-roll the roll after the en Passant (his choice).
I could have told you from the start this would go horribly. Having a 50% chance of something going wrong in a game with dozens of moves is going to mean a stupidly large number of bad things happening.
10:40 Knight g5?
Change it so that 'Move' has to actually be a move, not a capture. But it takes up more space of the pie than it already does. Capture should change to 'capture or give Martin a Queen' and is also slightly larger in pie-area. Maybe do a couple of very thin pie segments for 'give martin a bishop', 'give martin a knight', etc. ....And Maybe one very small segment for 'Nelson gets a knight'. Maybe it'l come up at crucial moments and save you ;)
Added to this, maybe have some segments that are 'Move or Capture' so if you roll that, then you do get to choose and do exactly what you want. - This was how you were playing 'move' in this version.
You should be able to move every turn, and the spin is just a modifier. If you land on "move" on the spinner, then you just don't have a negative modifier
Try this ratio:
20% Any Move You want
20% Martin Queen
20% Pawn or minor piece for you
20% Blunder
20% Skip your turn
I think you don't understand the engine definition of blunder.
You always went for the worst possible blunder when you had like 5 other, much less awful blunder options
You dont need to blunder piece, you can blunder position. Saving ur pieces against martin is the best solution
I love this idea! But it's best to incorporate more normal moves in there. How about something like...
-Move or Capture (2)
-Move Only (2)
-Capture Only (2)
-Blunder (2)
-Give Martin A Queen (1)
-Give Nelson A Pawn (1)
70% of the moves are beneficial for you, but it's also challenging because 20% of them have a forced capture, which means you have to strategize to make sure one is available. Since Martin only gets a queen 10% of the time, you won't run away into this runaway queen nightmare
Might make it a bit too easy but definitely better than the current wheel
10:35 knight to G5
My kids love it when you challenge Martin. They are always asking if there is another Martin video.
If you could just put his new queen wherever you wanted, why not just put it where you could take it? lol
Edit: to make it fun, have something like this on the wheel: 20% give martin a pawn/bishop/knight/rook/queen (4% each) and spin again, 30% move, 20% blunder, 15% capture, 15% check
10:32 I must blunder my Queen meanwhile the knight on h3 that has a blunder move with g5
Bro got a knight to blunder but blundered ...one and only......
'The Queen' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..
!!...!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
If you have to blunder in my opinion you don't have to actually blunder a piece eg. 15:19 the blunder would be just not taking the queen.
I think that the second set of settings is actually really good and that the best way to go forward is to develop some better strategies to help give you “bad” options without losing your advantages
Practicing for a few games off camera while allowing extra time to analyze may help to get an idea for which moves to make that are very different from normal strong moves
13:45 why not place at d5 for the fork?
14:39 what about Nc4?
Challenge
If martin attacks any of your pieces they will turns into a statue except the king . You can only move the statue pieces by putting any of your piece near them .if any piece is already near them before they were attacked, then they don't turn into a statue.
Challenge
Chess against Martin but you should not capture any of his queen or rook until his knight, bishop and pawns are captured
Stockfish next? But the punishments are for stockfish
9:40 Should have put the pawn on g6
Why?
Why?
Yes, the benefit is to attack the rook in h7 but you cannot do that because it is too easy if you are gonna put it on your opponent’s side so you can only put pawns on your side of the game and not technically anywhere.
He could have blunder the knight on right side???
3:16 could Nelson win from this position?
17:18 you could have moved your king to d1 not defending the pawn and not in check
This is such a clever idea. I actually kind of like random chance in strategy games like this. I am wondering if anyone has suggestions for abstract strategy games with some input randomness/luck involved.
On 10:35 you could blunder your knight (kg5)
I think placing the queens differently could help a lot, like placing them where you can capture them
You need like at least 1/3 of the wheel as "move" (if move allows capture, if move doesn't allow capture then capture also needs to have much bigger segment). I think you could also divide the "give Martin a queen" into multiple different ones around the board like "give Martin a horse/bishp/pawn" etc. so it's not just fighting against queens. Actually I think that balances itself enough that you don't even need to give yourself pawns anymore. Maybe.
1:39 Nf3? not taking the queen is a blunder too isnt it?
10:39 u should have blundered ur knight on g5
10:33 you could have blundered the knight
10:35 could’ve blundered knight on g5
10:34 kg5 is a Blunder 😢 Not the queeeeeen 😂
Imagine he put his pawn on the 8th rank
10:49 could've blundered knight
1:44 not moving the bishop would also be a blunder
Make it so that when you get a pawn / give Martin a queen, you should just be allowed to move whatever you want automatically
1% chance to give Nelson a gun
this is the best! please do part 2
10:34 The H3 Knight to G5 was a blunder
I just tried this Challenge against Stockfish
This is how it went
P:e6
M:exf7 Kxf7
Q:f3
Nxf3 d5
Q:e5
Nxe5+ Ke8
B:Nd3 Nc6
M:e3 e5
Q:e2
Bxe2 Nf6
P:e7
M:Pxd8=Q Kxd8
C=Qc3
Nxc3 d4
M:exd4 exd4
P:d7
P:e6
B:Nb4 Bxd7
M:exd7 Bxb4
M:Nb2 Kxd7
M:0-0 Rae8
B:Nc3 dxc3
B:Ba6 bxa6
+:dxc3+ Bd6
M:Bf4 Re6
M:Qd3 Rhe8
C:Bxd6 cxd6
B:g4 Nxg4
+:Qxd6 Kxd6
M:Rad1+ Kc7
Q:d3
Rxd3 Nh6
P:d7
Q:d1
dxe8=N+ Rxe8
P:d7
C:dxe8=N+ Kb6
M:Rxd1 Nf5
C:Nxg7 Nxg7
M:Rd6 Nf5
C:Rxc6 Kxc6
P:f7
Q:e8
fxe8=Q+ Kc7
B:Rd4 Nxd4
M:cxd4 h5
B:Qb8 Kxb8
Q:e3
fxe3 Kc7
B:Kh1 Kb6
+=Qg2
Kxg2 Kc6
B:Kh1 Kd5
+:e4+ Kxd4
M:Kg2 Kxe4
B:Kh1 Kf3
M: c4 Kg4
P:g7
C=Q:f8
gxf8=Q h4
M:c5 h3
+:Qg7+ Kf4
M:c6 a5
C: Qxa7 Ke5
M: c7 a4
C:Qxa4 Kd6
M:c7=Q Ke5
M: Qag4 Kd5
Q:d7
Qcxd7+ Ke5
+:Qgd4# 1:0
You can definitely win this, but you need to obliterate one of his sides at all cost, then set yourself to get pawns with free promotions. You got a million wheel-gift pawns, if half of them were queens you'dve had something to work with.
12:38 Ng6 IS A FORK QUEEN AND ROOK
BRO HE COULD’VE BLUNDER WITH PAWN ON E5!
I recommend these type of videos.
Chess but you can't move to or capture or move through the four center squares d4 d5 e4 e5.. The bots can use them normally.. Knights can move around the edge of the mountain for example N from d3 is allowed to move to f4 . .
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Special rules about Checks and Checkmate = Checks which go through the center squares are not allowed.. You are not allowed to do a check that relies on a piece to defend it through the center even if it's checkmate.. . For example: Black K on c8, ..White B on h2. and White Q on f7. The White Q can't move to c7 because the B on h2 is NOT defending the Q. on c7, because the Bishop can't defend the Q through the center squares, so you can't make that Q move (unless some other piece not working through the mountain can defend). (Why? The Computer would think the Bishop is defending the Q for checkmate.)
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Play against Nelson. You can call it "She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes." These variations are neat. I'm not great on explaining things so please ask for clarification. Would really like to see how you work without being able to access the center squares or go through them.
4:26 "How do you like those five queens, Martin? They don't help you!" * "Give Martin A Queen" comes up on the spinner.
(Eventually, there won't be any blank squares.)
8:35 Martin plays the Grob!
These silly little exercises in futility always end badly. Maybe time for a “!!” move instead. Like “Give Nelson an extra queen”, and “Give Stockfish a free pawn”, but you have to play Stockfish at its highest level, not poor old Martin.
move is move (not capture), add a "skip" where it just goes back to his turn.
also, it feels like you were not playing strategically, I'm not that good at chess so maybe this is completly false, but i felt like you could have placed some of those pawns in really threatening ways (forks, checks...) but just played defensively, same with the queens, if u are planning to promote your pawn wouldn't you just place his queen in the pawns path and capture afterwards?
did you had some extra rules in the pawn/queen spawning like placing pawns only on your side of the board?
10:34 BLUNDER THE KNIGHT!!!
17:14 RULEBREAK, you blunderd with capturing, so you are disqualified for this session :)
nothing I love more than seeing your martin saga!
At first I thought with both sides being given pieces the game could be infinite. But actually chess has a max amount of moves even with adding pieces since eventually (I mean a loooooong impossible universe ending eventually) you would still 3 fold repeat. All those Pawns becoming knights bishops queens moving all over the board.
You'd be able to keep pawn moves and captures available so no 50 move end. But eventually all board states would happen. No matter what rules u used to add any piece at any time to both sides their is a finite (though ridiculous) amou t of board states.
So eventually you'd hit every single one twice and then the next move draws
Another challenge idea: Play against Stockfish with the wheel of luck.
In 4 out of 5 wheel slots, you play a move.
If you land on the 5th one, you get to remove one of Stockfish's pieces: use another random number generator to decide which piece type you can remove, based on how many of each piece is left. For example: if there are three stockfish pawns and two knights remaining, the number generator should have a 3/5 probability of choosing pawn, and 2/5 of choosing knight. If you land on pawn, you can pick which pawn you want to remove (you'll need as much agency as you can get).
I thought of this as well! Have the wheel be mostly good things for the player. Could even have slots for giving yourself a piece. Or a slot for “Martin makes Stockfish’s next move” etc. Would be fun!
You should have make the "give martin a queen" "give martin a queen and move." Giving him multiple extra queens per move isn't even close to fair.
Also I've noticed on multiple videos you run out of memory on you tabs. What OS are you on? If you are on Mac or Linux you should set up some swap space.
Besides getting 3 blunders in a row really early on, I think you could've made it easier on yourself if you hadn't developed like it was a normal chess game. when you can't check, capture, or blunder in a position it raises the likelihood of giving martin a queen to more than 50%, which just isn't sustainable
Since the wheel inevitably favors Martin (giving him queens faster than you can take them, forcing you to squander your own pieces), I think it's better to aim for the fastest possible win (e.g., scholar's mate) and minimize the impact. It seemed like you were trying to play normal chess against a skilled opponent, instead of chaos chess against a newbie with random cheat powers.
I did the challenge.
My results:
Without the "get a pawn" option, I lost.
With that option, I also lost.
So I replaced it with "get a knight" and won.
btw I'm new to chess, so I made it so that in the blunder option you can also make an inacurracy/mistake.
In games of RNG there is a reason why you have a large set of variables; you're playing with too little variables in other words. I'm still trying to become a game designer, and this is a common flaw; you need more RNG elements here to stop something like this from happening, otherwise you'll snowball the difficulty, and not in a fun or fair way.
You gave yourself pawns on passive squares and gave Martin queens on safe squares. Give him a new queen being attacked by your pawns. Give yourself a pawn that's attacking his pieces. Also, maybe we should change "give a new piece" to be "give a new piece + move" so you don't chain it.
I think changing it to ban yourself from certain moves is a more interesting idea than giving Martin a queen.
Any Move.
Must Capture
Must Check
No capture or Check
Blunder
Personally, I wouod have changed "Give Martin a Queen" to "Give Martin a Piece" and made a seperate wheel with the names of each piece on it (except King, of course) so that the piece Martin got would be random.
You made this too hard on yourself. Also, on the "give Martin a queen" spins, you gave him a queen and then spun again. It obviously depends on how you want to do this, but it felt to me like you should just get to move after giving him a queen. Like, it felt like you spun twice for those turns to me.
Love your content Nelson.
i think you were fooled by the 3 green fields. the slice has 7 fields, only 3 are green. that means in more than half of all moves you don't get green. and of the other 4 fields only 50% are advantageous for you. and the bad 50% are right next to each other.... they're screwing you^^