I think as a teen demigoddess, Cassie's in a perfect position to fill a Percy Jackson-esque niche for DC, if they ever wanted to actually give her the focus. If she was given a solo book, I'd have it deal with her juggling responsibilities with college (similar to Steph Brown's Batgirl series), and fighting against ancient Greek monsters and the like. I think if they got the tone right, it could be a really fun book, and would let her carve out her own part of the universe, separate from just being the Young Justice character that writers are least excited to write about.
@@caseygibson7266 As much as it bothers me how sometimes DC just pretends some things never actually happened I would be okay if they just pretend heroes in crisis never took place.
@@chinyereugwu9431 so everybody who doesn't have a bat symbole Wait even that isn't selling at all (the whole comic industry is getting out sold by demon slayer)
@@chinyereugwu9431 eeeeh.... some people at DC, like Johns, seem to have a specific love for Silver Age heroes (unless they're heroes they originally made)
Can we please have a one shot of Diana, Donna, Cassie, and Yara just getting brunch and hanging out. No fights. No action. Just one issue of pure character interaction and wholesome bonding.
@Will N I have not read a lot of golden age Wonder Woman comics but from what I remember they had fights and action, not so much with the sitting around and talking.
The way the Young Justice generation of heroes (Tim, Conner, Cassie, Bart) have been continually shafted since that BS NU 52 reboot ticks me off to no end.
Other legacy characters have been getting rotten treatment for well over a decade now. Specifically the OG Titans(Nightwing, Troia, Tempest, Arsenal, Flash)
They have never been shafted. The opposite is true. In the new52 DC erased Dick and Cos generation 's history as the OG TT giving that honour to The Young Justice gen. During Rebirth DC cancelled the very popular Supersons and invested in the new young Justice title. Promoting them heavy and making them the face of DC's teen imprint Wonder comics. A position that should have gone to the Supersons. The actual teen gen. DC has screwed two more popular and profitable generation on favour of the Young Justice generation and yet their fans still bitch.
Strictly speaking, I think the "Heracles chained to a rock" thing is probably more a reference to Prometheus than Loki. Greek mythology is just a mess, though, and I can't imagine how much modern comics makes it more of a headache.
The original idea for a solo Wonder Girl series starting Cassie was better. There was an author I don’t remember who, but he wanted to write a series where she went to college in Midway City, dealt with the trauma of losing Connor, worked at a boutique under a secret identity, went on a date to show how hard it is to lose a loved one, and where she had to team up with Supergirl to fight evil versions of Cassie and Connor from the future. I would have loved that series! DC should have allowed it to happen.
At this point, i'm just surprised (not really) that WB/DC never really capitalized the success they had with Wonder Woman's first film and gave more stories to her Wonder Girl's. Cassis would be a lot more relevant in more eyes if she had at least ione book. At least she's popping up in Yarals book, but still, she's just floating about.
I don't think she needs her own series, but would more benefit from having backup stories in either Wonder Woman or Teen Titans. Honestly, DC could really benefit from practicing what they did in the Golden and Silver Age and what manga does now by having multiple stories in a book, rather than just following solo titles. It's frustrating that Yara, Cassie, and Donna have to battle for a spotlight when an anthology series could serve each of them really well.
Joelle Jones ahs already said that Cassie is gonna make an appearance in Yara Flor's Wonder Girl book. I hope she can get a full supporting role, rather than just a brief cameo / handing-of-the-mantle type appearance. She's always been my favourite of the Young Justice Gen, yet she's also the one that consistently gets the least attention.
I still think the one mistake in Donna's original backstory is that it should've been Hippolyta, not Diana, that found her in the fire and brought her to Paradise Island.
Donna is a bit like Kitty Pryde, in the sense that they both got perfectly funtional alias that consistenly ignored afterwards, make it them recognizable by their names alone. So i dont think she actually needs a a proper name. In the unlikely scenario she ever gets her own series, it could simply be called "troy" and it would work. And since, as of now, the relationship of the new wonder girl to Diana seem rather superficial, i dont think cassie should left her name to her. What with her relation with Diana being more straightforward. I dont see why there's can be more that one wonder girl. Its not a name as relevant as said, superboy. Conner is the one should really get a new name. Once jon stops playing superman he's going to come back to the name and conner its going to be the secondary superboy since he also dosent have a relationship as straightforward to clark.
I would like to see DC do a series Cassie where she basically has her own 12 labors of Hercules. They sort of been setting that up in the pages of Young Justice, might as well pay it off.
I was introduced to Cassie on the original Young Justice comic series and she was a well written female character in YJ. Conner and Cassie's relationship is one the best relationship in DC imo. Cassie should get a new codename if Yara Flor is going to be Wonder Girl for the foreseeable future.
Who ever came up with the New 52 Cassie: "Cassie needs to be edgy! Let's do what other guys did before with Jason Todd, Post-Crisis!" When creativity dries up, go for the 'Grounded, Edgy' trope....
Yes. Heraclese is that bad. He was basically named after Hera, who was responsible for every terrible thing that happened in his life. I would go by my Roman name too 😬
The strange things with Cassie, she got unexpectedly de-booted in Bendis's "Young Justice", which was never really explained. Like, Bart Allen & Conner Kent got complete reboots in the New-52, With New-52 Teen Titans Kon-El & Bar-Torr being distinct characters. Cassie's character survived the flashpoint reboot, but her history got entirely rebooted for the New-52 Tim Drake himself didn't really get altered directly all that much between Pre & post flashpoint, but with every related character (Bart, Conner, Cassie, Stephanie) being removed / rebooted, and his history with batman being slightly altered (maybe Red Robin all along?), he was significantly distinct Post New-52. Either way, Kon-El & Bar-Torr both leave late in the New-52, and later in Rebirth (in the Bendis-era) they brought back Bart Allen & Conner Kent from Pre-Flashpoint Tim Drake had a whole plot about "remembering the altered memories" and re-learning about Bart & Conner from Pre-Flashpoint. But Cassie just "always remembered" them... for reasons. I'd love a mini looking into how Cassie's memories were altered, going from New-52 into Bendis-era Rebirth.
What are you talking about? Tim Drake during the new 52 was a kid who stole money from Penguin leading to his folks ending up in Witness Protection and Bruce being forced to take him in. His real name isn't even Tim Drake but rather a name given to him by witness protection. He was very very very different from the preflashpoint Tim Drake
The new 52, a quagmire that sums up most of it. You used the word Quagmire now I feel the need to say giggity. I am not going to lie i forgot this series existed.
Most of my Cassie exposure has been in the Johns Titans era and the current Young Justice Bendis run. Like others have said to make her bigger you'd need to utilize her regular growing up teen nature. A more mythological Buffy type of figure perhaps.
Cassie deserves a chance to grow in her own series but it needs five things, Good plot, Crossovers to help her grow Good characters, Recurring villain or ally And finally a quality ending with an chance of a continutiaon !
5:12 It'd be more accurate to say that he was chained to a stone, like the mythical Prometheus rather than Loki. Now that I've given that pointless correction I return now to the pit that spawned my kind.
Remember when DC had a New God-centric crossover story, whose editing and continuity was sooo bad they tried to pull the "Um, Mythic Stories are often told with major and minor differences, yeah, that's the ticket!" excuse?
I liked it when Cassy had to take care of both Baby Wonder Woman and also little kid Wonder Woman in DC Comics Young Justice Sins of Youth Event! I just wished that Power Girl was a part of the Young Justice Sins of Youth Comic event!
I've always found it so interesting that DC has their famous Trinity, and the sidekicks that come from them have some of the most influential effects on the comics EXCEPT for the Wonder Girls, until arguably most recent! -Cassie is either underused or is heavily relied on her team/mentor in any series she's in. She's social and outgoing, and I'm glad that she's kind of reverted to her Pre52 self, rather than her edge lord N52 version, most recently. -Donna is a convoluted mess. Titans( Hunt) was such a fun read and I'm glad she's with our newest Wonder cadet. -Yara, is such a breathe of fresh Wonder Air. The story, the art, all of the Themysciran stories combining, and etc. I am so happy to see Cassie as a reoccurring character in that book and I hope to Donna more too! As ALWAYS, wonderful video Sasha!!!
Thanks for the "update"; I was wondering what was up with Cassie. I actually didn't know she was a demigod; I thought all of her powers came from borrowed Amazonian magic and tech! My dream Cassie series would be essentially "Tomb Raider, but actually heroic". Her mom has all sorts of intel on ancient artifacts, many of which would have powers in the DCU. Cassie would go out to secure the ones that had fallen into the wrong hands, and teach the readers about different cultures and histories in the process! Improbable traps and puzzles, unleashed monsters, cursed objects, all that sort of stuff! Of course, she'd also need to have a confrontation with both the Titans and Suicide Squad for all of the romance angst. I'd even bring back Wig Life, just for you!
That would be awesome! She could have some interesting team-ups in that. People who have interest in expensive artefacts (Catwoman?), people who have interest in magic artefacts (so many), people with some kind of history theme (the Marvels)... Tim Drake for trap dismantling... And do team-ups with Yara and Donna to take down more exciting mythic monsters.
There was also a Cassie Wonder Girl one-shot in 2011, which I went back and read because of this video, and I think holds up pretty well. It feels like it was meant to be leading into a larger story, and does seem to have had potential. It's also where Kiran Singh first appears as Solstice, which is cool!
I'd like to see Cassie, Donna, Yara and (heck, why not?) Drusilla hanging out together on Themyscira. They could help rehabilitate the Amazons who have gone astray, like Brunhilde of Earth-10 and Donna Troy of Earth-3.
I knew Cassie Sandsmark mostly through Young Justice. I think she definitely deserved her own series because I think all female characters deserve their own stories as a default. That said, I'm not entirely sure what her story would be outside of a group, primarily because the biggest defining moment for a while was her rising to lead the YJ team. Alone, how she marks herself is not something I feel up to knowing how to write, mostly because I don't know enough about her history with Diana and the Olympians which tended to be the purview of the WW comic. But man, I do miss the old YJ team.
Cassie Sandsmark is my Wonder Girl, and while I am happy to see Yara, I am hoping to see the two side by side. As for another matter with the mini series, it mentioned of Cassie moving on from the death of Conner, only for Teen Titans to explain her emotions instability post One Year Later to actually be the influence from Ares’ family (and also featured the now infamous Christmas sweater.)
One of the infinite number of great things about this channel is that you remind me of stuff i read so long ago I had totally forgotten it. Such as this. I remember the cover of issue one as I managed to misplace it and my copy of the first issue of Gail Simone's Wonder Woman run before reading, and had to go and buy replacements. The originals did turn up months later. But apart from that cover, I had forgotten the rest. Never actually been that keen on the character. I always found her a bit too bossy for my liking. However, she finally clicked for me in the most recent Young Justice series. The way Brian Michael Bendis wrote her in there worked for me somehow. Which is to say that she wasn't so bossy. So I liked it. I always liked Empress and Arrowette, I hasten to add. The teenage superhero girl sidekick I always preferred, and nobody ever talks about her, is Lorena Marquez. Aquagirl from 2004-2011. Whereas Cassie was bossy and no so likeable due to it, Lorena was just likeable and sympathetic pure and simple. She's not been since the dawn of the new 52, and I doubt we'll ever get her back. Is it just me that misses her? I think Cassie had a one off special in early 2011 as well, but that doesn't come back to me either. Perhaps that would be good for a shorts.
I'm not quite sure how I feel about the art style on this. It looks pretty good in some places with the stylization, but in others it just looks weird.
fun fact ! new 52 cassie's armor was made to fight trigon and originally had nothing to do with WW ! It was supposed to be a thing where the armor was slowly taking her over ! After a short arc of dealing with it, it's never brought up again :)
I kind of lost track of Wonder Girl after the 'Who is Donna Troy" arc so if Cassie were to get a solo series I'd favor the pre- New 52 version as an introduction to her.
I liked Cassie. I dug her and Conner's relationship and was really disappointed he was killed off and then she ended up getting... 52'd lol I definitely think she deserves another run maybe she and Connor can be given awhile to be a happy, superpowered, crime-fighting duo haha
Cassie Wonder Girl, _only_ Wonder Girl. My favorite period was the later Young Justice era, where she'd come into her own, but without the drama Geoff Johns added later, although the pre-Identy Crisis stuff was. . . fine. Bendis's Young Justice Cassie was also pretty great, seemingly resetting all the Nu52 crap, but she didn't get a lot of time to shine.
I always thought Cassie deserved a solo series. For me the New 52 Cassie was my favorite, not the powers but her personality. She was kind of mean at the beginning not wanting to be a hero and was originally enemies with Connor. I feel this could have been a mentoring book like Stephanie Brown’s Batgirl. A book showing Cassie growing into her role as a hero while being mentored by Donna Troy, the first Wonder Girl, and her relationship with Connor changing as the book went on
Honestly I was introduced to Cassie as Wonder Girl back in the day before Donna Troy so I have a bias towards her. Also I prefer her backstory over Donna. Idk. They're both cool though
A bit off topic, but can DC start drawing Cassie with short hair again? I just think it looked cool. And you know, write her in character, thats also important (even though it was sadly a rare occurrence for last 2 decades).
The fact that arrowette and empress got love this series is nice. They feel oft forgotten in pre 52 canon. Have not looked to see if you have done it but a dive into arrowette would interesting.
I'm still surprised Cassie hasn't really met up with Cassandra Cain (Batgirl, Black Bat, Orphan dear lord have they've pawned off codenames on the poor lass). Then they both be "YES!". Then turn to each other be like, "What?" Then we get the two Cass power trip.
Yeah, this was a weak outing. I was surprised to discover that I actually have this whole series in my collection. Not only did I forget reading it, I forgot owning it. Yeesh.
I am really new to your channel, so I don't know how far back into comic lore you've covered, like for instance Mister Miracle or the Blue Beetle. I'm trying to catch up but there is a lot to go through, and that's a good thing. Keep up the good work.
I don't know I kind of like what was shown here and where it could of gone but yeah the pacing seems like it could of used a lot polish. Honestly would of loved to see more with the relationship with her mom and exploring more of here conflict with the gods in general trying to drag her into there world. Overall I just want her character to be more fleshed out, sadly didn't get that chance. Oh hey also I did want to ask you if you had an opinion at all on the Gerry Conway tweet about manga, maybe a different view or take? Love yah work and take care ^^
I might have expanded more on the lanors thing. Have each issue be a labor that she solves mostly by herself but sometimes with help from friends (but not the same friends each time, Cassie is the one in the spotlight). It could feel like a count-down, building towards whatever is going to happen when she finishes them all. And she’d probably fail dramatically at the last one, but talk herself into being given a second chance and managing that replacement labor instead. It could be action packed but still character driven and have a lot of mythological references. Oh! Or it could go into the thing where Cassie doesn’t want to join the pantheon, since that’s such a common theme for her. But for some reason she is FORCED to join, and she can’t just leave, so the series is about her trying to mess up just enough that she is cast out again without being killed/punished to badly. Possibly with at least one of the gods knowing exactly what she’s trying to do and interpeting everything she does as good just to be an asshole.
Imagine if Darth Vader employed Hercules's strategy. Luke's just accepting a package or getting a smoothie and there's his dad dressed in a silly costume, trying to get his son to rule the galaxy with him.
As a kid Conner and Cassie were my favorite DC superhero ship. Sad when he died and sad when they ended it. Would have loved to see them together making the journey to adulthood and tying the knot.
Same here. In my headcanon, by Dark Crisis in 2022, Conner and Cassie (as Superman and Wonder Woman/Fury) would’ve been in their 30s (Conner is 34, Cassie is 32), and they would’ve tied the knot at the start of Rebirth in 2016 (or four years ago in sliding time).
I don’t know why, but every time I see wonder girl in that red tank top/low rise jeans combo- she reminds me of “Oops!... I did it again” era Britney Spears for some reason (I kinda love it) I’ve yet to really delve myself in different pieces that involves her. I really enjoyed her in those really short bits we got of her in Young Justice but even then I felt like I wanted more from her. Looking forward to getting more into her character!
I can't be the only one who noticed that the way John Byrne drew Cassie Sandsmark makes her look EXACTLY like the Human Torch when Byrne worked on that series.
This is my very first Wonder Girl. I remember reading a Young Justice Book. And at the time she had black hair and the volleyball🏐 look. Was super confused when she dyed her hair. Understood it later on.
For me the greatest crime for Cassie is stealing her demigod origin for Wonder Woman. For a series I would like to see her adventuring and going to school on Themyscira. I have wanted to have Themyscira to take refugees from mans world (just women of course), so Cassie could be collecting people to live on Themyscira during her off Island adventures.
I mean, she's still a demigodess, just a third gen one. Which i think its for the best, its kid of more particular that she is the dauther of another god (even if its just an invented one) that the 54 bastard child of Zeus. If anything, i found it more insulting that they took the perfectly funcional and unique origin of Diana and replaced it with something that generic.
I have to point out that Cassie actually had the casual jeans and t-shirt costume first back in YJ. Also DC clearly missed out on capitalizing on the true dynamics of the Core 4: all each others best friends but Tim&Cassie and Kon&Bart being best best friends. If I could make my own Wonder Girl comic it'd be the "screw Canon continuity I'm doin' what I want" variety. Early 20s Cassie wondering if she should even still go by "Wonder Girl" because she feels too old for the "girl" part and her ID is public anyway (her secret id actually got revealed to the public twice in New Earth Canon). Cassie casually wonders why she's never heard of any other Demigods running around but wait! A wild Yara appears! She's a 15/16 year old Brazilian Metahuman and kind of a Superhero fangirl. She's a loud, slightly clueless jock with a heart of gold - and she wants Cassie to mentor her! Main plot revolves around Cassie training Yara and them eventually realizing Yara is also a Demigod, Cassie being Greek and dealing with Greek folklore/mythology and Yara being native Brazilian and dealing with Brazilian folklore/mythology, and Cassie eventually passing the Wonder Girl name to Yara. On the side it's mostly friendship fluff - Cassie's side focused on friendship with Tim in particular but with Kon, Bart, Anita, Slobo, Cissie, and Greta all make appearances but mostly the first two. Also some brief mentions and appearances of their other friends like Aquagirl (Lorena Marquez), Blue Beetle, Static, Supergirl, Miss Martian, etc. Yara's side can establish her starting budding friendships with other heroes her age like Damian Wayne, Nell Little, Colin Wilkes, Duke Thomas, Chris Kent, Lian Harper, the West twins, and Jackson/Kaldur.
I much prefer pre-New 52 Cassie; my idea of a good mini would include developing a supporting cast for her that didn't include Titans (or necessarily Amazons...keep reading); I'd like to see her at school (fleshing out Gateway City at the same time), and, if there is to be an Amazonian supporting character, how about the return of...wait for it...Mala? She could've made good on her insistence to strikeout on her own, and be the proprietor of a vintage clothing store (a nod to Mod-era Diana), and Cassie takes up a part-time job, there. The stories could deal with some topical issues (in the old-school, WW tradition), like guns in school, diversity vs. "traditional" education, teen suicide, etc.
New 52: I have a grest idea, let' s make diana zeus' s daughter! Wait... That sounds familiar... Not anymore.... Later: well cassie' s powers from a mystic armor seems a bit off the wonder family... Let' s make her GRAND DAIGHTER OF ZEUS! Oh my god, you are a genius! Rebirth: ok, we dont care about her origin anymore... But granpa zeus is here! Infinite frontier: we literally dont care about anything anymore... Cassie who? We need a new wonder girl!
Cassie's potential was wasted and ignored by the higher ups at DC. After Conner's death and reemergence after over a year, they made the characters break up in Teen Titans while Conner got a short-lived Superboy series after the New 52. Gaah--trying to keep track of all the DC Crises is almost impossible. Needless to say, the reimagined New 52 Conner and Cassie didn't work out and got lost in the multiverse. So now, we have Young Justice crop up in the multiverse where we see a reconstituted Cassie, Conner, Impulse, Tim Drake alongside new characters Teen Lantern, Jinny Hex and Amethyst in 2019 written by Bendis. So we get a bit of a recap of these characters and how they wind up on Amethyst's Gemworld. So cheers to Cassie's revitalization!
My mum got me a bunch of bulk comics around the time of Amazon's Attack, she got me the Teen Titans books, some Legion of Superheroes books and Wonder Woman books from this time period so I got to like Cassie very much. I kinda hate the wierd shirt they gave her with the W arms but overall I liked her very much, and because I grew up with those stories I always saw Donna as Troia and Cassie as Wonder Girl. I didn't read New 52 because I wasn't buying comics at that time except for a few Batgirl issues which were pretty meh for me at least and gosh do I HATE that weird-ass golden spike suit. I always enjoyed her relationship with supergirl though
I remember being in line to talk to Dustin Nguyen at a comic convention and the lineup being in front of Torres' table. I didn't know his work and felt kinda bad that nobody was there fore his table, so I purchased this Wonder Girl book from him. I'm sure he's a much better writer when not writing a publisher-mandated tie-in comic that has no reason to exist, but I could not bring myself to finish this trade paperback.
I never read this mini; I'd stopped collecting right before Identity Crisis, as DC started degenerating as it tried SO hard to be "relevant". But I always loved Cassie as Wonder Girl. She did that thing that Asokha Tano did: started off annoying and, through character development, became cool (though not as well). The dynamic between her and Conner was great, and if DC had had the sense to allow its timeline to advance, there was potential there. Cassie should have been trained by Donna (who should have been trained by Diana), which would put her in position to be training Yara Flor today - which would be SUCH a fun comic, considering their personalities. DC really is the king of dropping the ball.
When they stole her origin and gave it to Wonder Woman's rewrite, Cassie became sort of redundant. If they'd kept her origin, then she and Wonder Woman would just be half sisters, like any other of Zeus's children. By giving her a new origin, she became a completely different character. The best solution would have been to not change Wonder Woman's origin in the first place. Unfortunately, that path wasn't chosen. Somebody made the point at the time that the previous origin of Wonder Woman, with Zeus as Hippolyta's father, and thus Wonder Woman's grandfather worked better on a thematic level because it means that Diana got her power not from a father figure, but from her mother. Thus increasing the woman-power feel of the concept. I personally just liked the fact that since Diana was Zeus's granddaughter, and Cassie his daughter, we had a nice reversal of the usual hero/sidekick dynamic with Cassie technically being Diana's Aunt. Finally, I also liked the odd relationship between Ares and Cassie. While he was still essentially a supervillain, in spite of all the brutal vicious stuff he's done over the centuries, he basically just had a soft spot for his kid sister. Sure, he was trying to groom her to be violent like him, but that also shows that he wanted her to see him as a role model, like any big brother would.
I was super bummed when Young Justice got cancelled again, I think it’s the perfect place for Cassie. Tim, Conner Bart and her all feel like friends like the older Titans, I enjoyed the new characters they added too but they didn’t get to be fleshed out enough. I am hoping this series comes back again so we can see more but I am not hopeful since there is a new Wonder Girl and DC seems to be headed in a new direction with Future State. Young Justice, the Zatanna series and Gotham City Sirens were all fun books that got the plug pulled because of various Crisis reboots. Sigh.
I'd really like to see more about Cassie when she was wearing that wig and massive glasses. I think I first ran into her in New 52 Teen Titans, and my readings of older Teen Titans didn't reach the point where she showed up.
I remember a secret origins tale she was used to explain responsibility of her powers. That like Wonder Woman could still be killed by arrow if she's not careful. It was Artemis who was training
In hindsight, it’s kinda weird that given all the reboot/status quo shifts, you’d think some writer would’ve done “new Cheeta is wonder girl”. It has so much potential and streamlines WW woman’s status quo in a meaningful way.
I totally forgot about this mini! I love Cassie and I think with the right writer, she could’ve really soared in a fun way. I’d love to see her in stories that treated her like an Indians Jones / Tomb Raider type character. Give her a quest to recover powerful artifacts tied to Greek myth.
I think the Hercules stone reference could be eluding to the time Atlas left him holding up the heavens crossed with Promethius chained to the stone for giving humans fire... maybe
@@garethdennis5785 Don't worry, Robins canonically go for older women. Except Tim. I don't recall Tim ever crushing on someone obviously older. I can see her with an older Damien in an apocalypse setting. He's got a bit of faux-magic-mystery vibes from the League, a dedication to the arts of war, and a classical education. I think she'd end up with someone else in normal canon, cause of the more choices her own age thing. They're be like ships that pass in the night.
I wonder if Byrne will ever get the credit he deserves for his approach to strong female characters... from Susan Storm becoming invisible woman, to The female characters in Alpha Flight, his amazing She Hulk run, and his work in DC... the guy really did work hard to write female characters with strength and depth...
When it comes to names, 'Hercules' just has the most cultural currency over 'Heracles'. It also helped that the Hercules movies popular back in the day were made in ITALY, lol!!
I think the main reason why a lot of people don't think of Cassandra Sandmark as Wonder Girl is because she is mainly called Cassie. However, she was a very good character in my book and probably one of the best Wonder Girl(s). Now I really don't know how to do a solo series with her, but if DC comics was to relaunch The Birds of Prey series . I could definitely see Cassie aka Wonder Girl as a contender for a new member.
Considering Young Justice was a long-standing series at what was probably the height of my active collecting, for me Tim Drake will always be Robin, Connor will always be Superboy, and Cassie will always be Wonder Girl that come up first in my thoughts. (By that time Donna had pretty firmly been Troia...and then...in a big limbo of sorts writing-wise. Urgh.) Yeah, DC really lost me with nearly everything for the longest time after the death of Connor. I realize most things have now been retconned at least twice, but...yeah. I DID like that Wonder Woman was essentially getting a legacy of characters behind her in the same way as the Flash or Batman had for decades!
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I think as a teen demigoddess, Cassie's in a perfect position to fill a Percy Jackson-esque niche for DC, if they ever wanted to actually give her the focus. If she was given a solo book, I'd have it deal with her juggling responsibilities with college (similar to Steph Brown's Batgirl series), and fighting against ancient Greek monsters and the like.
I think if they got the tone right, it could be a really fun book, and would let her carve out her own part of the universe, separate from just being the Young Justice character that writers are least excited to write about.
Man Steph Brown’s Batgirl was another series that was fun that ended too soon.
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This is a real well thought out and amazing idea I would read it.
DC editorial seemingly hates every character made between 1972 and 2005.
Nowhere better exemplified than in Heroes In Crisis
@@caseygibson7266 As much as it bothers me how sometimes DC just pretends some things never actually happened I would be okay if they just pretend heroes in crisis never took place.
No DC doesn't care for characters that no longer sell well enough. which makes sense since they are a business
@@chinyereugwu9431 so everybody who doesn't have a bat symbole
Wait even that isn't selling at all (the whole comic industry is getting out sold by demon slayer)
@@chinyereugwu9431 eeeeh.... some people at DC, like Johns, seem to have a specific love for Silver Age heroes (unless they're heroes they originally made)
Can we please have a one shot of Diana, Donna, Cassie, and Yara just getting brunch and hanging out. No fights. No action. Just one issue of pure character interaction and wholesome bonding.
No fights, no action, yeah, that sounds like the perfect millennial comic book, i.e. terrible.
@@glennwatson3313 Steve Gerber is screaming in his grave
@Will N I have not read a lot of golden age Wonder Woman comics but from what I remember they had fights and action, not so much with the sitting around and talking.
You could call it Wonder Sex and the City.... Sex and the Wonder City?
@@sonofjackwell372or just girls day.
The way the Young Justice generation of heroes (Tim, Conner, Cassie, Bart) have been continually shafted since that BS NU 52 reboot ticks me off to no end.
Other legacy characters have been getting rotten treatment for well over a decade now. Specifically the OG Titans(Nightwing, Troia, Tempest, Arsenal, Flash)
They have never been shafted. The opposite is true. In the new52 DC erased Dick and Cos generation 's history as the OG TT giving that honour to The Young Justice gen. During Rebirth DC cancelled the very popular Supersons and invested in the new young Justice title. Promoting them heavy and making them the face of DC's teen imprint Wonder comics. A position that should have gone to the Supersons. The actual teen gen. DC has screwed two more popular and profitable generation on favour of the Young Justice generation and yet their fans still bitch.
Strictly speaking, I think the "Heracles chained to a rock" thing is probably more a reference to Prometheus than Loki. Greek mythology is just a mess, though, and I can't imagine how much modern comics makes it more of a headache.
Didn't kratos (yes that one but less god chip him)do that
Oh never mind
The original idea for a solo Wonder Girl series starting Cassie was better. There was an author I don’t remember who, but he wanted to write a series where she went to college in Midway City, dealt with the trauma of losing Connor, worked at a boutique under a secret identity, went on a date to show how hard it is to lose a loved one, and where she had to team up with Supergirl to fight evil versions of Cassie and Connor from the future. I would have loved that series! DC should have allowed it to happen.
why is future conner always evil?
@@icqpimp yeah.. Kinda weird to have a hero turn evil, especially if their part of the superman family.
At this point, i'm just surprised (not really) that WB/DC never really capitalized the success they had with Wonder Woman's first film and gave more stories to her Wonder Girl's. Cassis would be a lot more relevant in more eyes if she had at least ione book. At least she's popping up in Yarals book, but still, she's just floating about.
Never thought about it but yeah instead of the shitty WW 1984 movie, a Cassie movie would of been way better
“Because Female Furies is redundant.”
Oh my, god! Thank you! That always bugged the *freck* out of me.
I don't think she needs her own series, but would more benefit from having backup stories in either Wonder Woman or Teen Titans. Honestly, DC could really benefit from practicing what they did in the Golden and Silver Age and what manga does now by having multiple stories in a book, rather than just following solo titles. It's frustrating that Yara, Cassie, and Donna have to battle for a spotlight when an anthology series could serve each of them really well.
I wish I could like this more than once.
Joelle Jones ahs already said that Cassie is gonna make an appearance in Yara Flor's Wonder Girl book. I hope she can get a full supporting role, rather than just a brief cameo / handing-of-the-mantle type appearance. She's always been my favourite of the Young Justice Gen, yet she's also the one that consistently gets the least attention.
I have to say that until recently it was donna who was the "forgotten" wonder girl
That's because no writer wants to attempt to touch Donna's backstory with a ten foot pole.
I still think the one mistake in Donna's original backstory is that it should've been Hippolyta, not Diana, that found her in the fire and brought her to Paradise Island.
I love Cassie but I think both her and Donna need new hero names like Dick did with Nightwing
Technically Donna does have another hero name. But it sounds like her last name.
Donna has been called Troia, and I think it sounds nice.
Yep, Donna is usually called Troia in some media, like Young Justice
Donna is a bit like Kitty Pryde, in the sense that they both got perfectly funtional alias that consistenly ignored afterwards, make it them recognizable by their names alone. So i dont think she actually needs a a proper name. In the unlikely scenario she ever gets her own series, it could simply be called "troy" and it would work.
And since, as of now, the relationship of the new wonder girl to Diana seem rather superficial, i dont think cassie should left her name to her. What with her relation with Diana being more straightforward. I dont see why there's can be more that one wonder girl.
Its not a name as relevant as said, superboy. Conner is the one should really get a new name. Once jon stops playing superman he's going to come back to the name and conner its going to be the secondary superboy since he also dosent have a relationship as straightforward to clark.
why do you love her?
I would like to see DC do a series Cassie where she basically has her own 12 labors of Hercules. They sort of been setting that up in the pages of Young Justice, might as well pay it off.
I was introduced to Cassie on the original Young Justice comic series and she was a well written female character in YJ. Conner and Cassie's relationship is one the best relationship in DC imo. Cassie should get a new codename if Yara Flor is going to be Wonder Girl for the foreseeable future.
yara's codename should come from brazilian mythology
Who ever came up with the New 52 Cassie: "Cassie needs to be edgy! Let's do what other guys did before with Jason Todd, Post-Crisis!"
When creativity dries up, go for the 'Grounded, Edgy' trope....
ironically had no idea who Yara Flor was and had to pause and look her up. Knew about Cassie at least.
Yes. Heraclese is that bad. He was basically named after Hera, who was responsible for every terrible thing that happened in his life. I would go by my Roman name too 😬
Also i wonder if this is the the last/ only appearance post young justice of empress and arrowette? Before the most recent young justice run
The strange things with Cassie, she got unexpectedly de-booted in Bendis's "Young Justice", which was never really explained.
Like, Bart Allen & Conner Kent got complete reboots in the New-52, With New-52 Teen Titans Kon-El & Bar-Torr being distinct characters.
Cassie's character survived the flashpoint reboot, but her history got entirely rebooted for the New-52
Tim Drake himself didn't really get altered directly all that much between Pre & post flashpoint, but with every related character (Bart, Conner, Cassie, Stephanie) being removed / rebooted, and his history with batman being slightly altered (maybe Red Robin all along?), he was significantly distinct Post New-52.
Either way, Kon-El & Bar-Torr both leave late in the New-52, and later in Rebirth (in the Bendis-era) they brought back Bart Allen & Conner Kent from Pre-Flashpoint
Tim Drake had a whole plot about "remembering the altered memories" and re-learning about Bart & Conner from Pre-Flashpoint. But Cassie just "always remembered" them... for reasons.
I'd love a mini looking into how Cassie's memories were altered, going from New-52 into Bendis-era Rebirth.
What are you talking about? Tim Drake during the new 52 was a kid who stole money from Penguin leading to his folks ending up in Witness Protection and Bruce being forced to take him in. His real name isn't even Tim Drake but rather a name given to him by witness protection. He was very very very different from the preflashpoint Tim Drake
@@chinyereugwu9431 thankfully rebirth restored his og origin. That was cool.
The new 52, a quagmire that sums up most of it. You used the word Quagmire now I feel the need to say giggity. I am not going to lie i forgot this series existed.
Most of my Cassie exposure has been in the Johns Titans era and the current Young Justice Bendis run. Like others have said to make her bigger you'd need to utilize her regular growing up teen nature. A more mythological Buffy type of figure perhaps.
Cassie deserves a chance to grow in her own series but it needs five things,
Good plot,
Crossovers to help her grow
Good characters,
Recurring villain or ally
And finally a quality ending with an chance of a continutiaon !
5:12 It'd be more accurate to say that he was chained to a stone, like the mythical Prometheus rather than Loki.
Now that I've given that pointless correction I return now to the pit that spawned my kind.
Remember when DC had a New God-centric crossover story, whose editing and continuity was sooo bad they tried to pull the "Um, Mythic Stories are often told with major and minor differences, yeah, that's the ticket!" excuse?
8:58
Tried to wink, ended up just blinking weird.
Honestly, halfway thru this video, I wanted to see Aristades singing Fountains of Wayne's "Stacy's Mom" except about Cassie's mom...
I liked it when Cassy had to take care of both Baby Wonder Woman and also little kid Wonder Woman in DC Comics Young Justice Sins of Youth Event! I just wished that Power Girl was a part of the Young Justice Sins of Youth Comic event!
I first saw Cassie in the Young Justice tv show. She was cool, but I don't remember if she had anything substantive to do. I liked her though.
I've always found it so interesting that DC has their famous Trinity, and the sidekicks that come from them have some of the most influential effects on the comics EXCEPT for the Wonder Girls, until arguably most recent!
-Cassie is either underused or is heavily relied on her team/mentor in any series she's in. She's social and outgoing, and I'm glad that she's kind of reverted to her Pre52 self, rather than her edge lord N52 version, most recently.
-Donna is a convoluted mess. Titans( Hunt) was such a fun read and I'm glad she's with our newest Wonder cadet.
-Yara, is such a breathe of fresh Wonder Air. The story, the art, all of the Themysciran stories combining, and etc. I am so happy to see Cassie as a reoccurring character in that book and I hope to Donna more too!
As ALWAYS, wonderful video Sasha!!!
Thanks for the "update"; I was wondering what was up with Cassie. I actually didn't know she was a demigod; I thought all of her powers came from borrowed Amazonian magic and tech!
My dream Cassie series would be essentially "Tomb Raider, but actually heroic". Her mom has all sorts of intel on ancient artifacts, many of which would have powers in the DCU. Cassie would go out to secure the ones that had fallen into the wrong hands, and teach the readers about different cultures and histories in the process! Improbable traps and puzzles, unleashed monsters, cursed objects, all that sort of stuff!
Of course, she'd also need to have a confrontation with both the Titans and Suicide Squad for all of the romance angst. I'd even bring back Wig Life, just for you!
That would be awesome! She could have some interesting team-ups in that. People who have interest in expensive artefacts (Catwoman?), people who have interest in magic artefacts (so many), people with some kind of history theme (the Marvels)... Tim Drake for trap dismantling... And do team-ups with Yara and Donna to take down more exciting mythic monsters.
There was also a Cassie Wonder Girl one-shot in 2011, which I went back and read because of this video, and I think holds up pretty well. It feels like it was meant to be leading into a larger story, and does seem to have had potential. It's also where Kiran Singh first appears as Solstice, which is cool!
I'd like to see Cassie, Donna, Yara and (heck, why not?) Drusilla hanging out together on Themyscira. They could help rehabilitate the Amazons who have gone astray, like Brunhilde of Earth-10 and Donna Troy of Earth-3.
I knew Cassie Sandsmark mostly through Young Justice. I think she definitely deserved her own series because I think all female characters deserve their own stories as a default. That said, I'm not entirely sure what her story would be outside of a group, primarily because the biggest defining moment for a while was her rising to lead the YJ team. Alone, how she marks herself is not something I feel up to knowing how to write, mostly because I don't know enough about her history with Diana and the Olympians which tended to be the purview of the WW comic. But man, I do miss the old YJ team.
It’s hilarious that you are speaking about this series when I have a signed poster from the cover with her fighting the furies on my wall lol.
Cassie Sandsmark is my Wonder Girl, and while I am happy to see Yara, I am hoping to see the two side by side.
As for another matter with the mini series, it mentioned of Cassie moving on from the death of Conner, only for Teen Titans to explain her emotions instability post One Year Later to actually be the influence from Ares’ family (and also featured the now infamous Christmas sweater.)
dc should have oddyseus travel to brazil
Literally just re watched your Donna vids this morning- I love and adore all of the Wonder Girls!
As the last (that I know of) appearance of a really underrated character, I appreciate the miniseries (Arrowette)
One of the infinite number of great things about this channel is that you remind me of stuff i read so long ago I had totally forgotten it. Such as this. I remember the cover of issue one as I managed to misplace it and my copy of the first issue of Gail Simone's Wonder Woman run before reading, and had to go and buy replacements. The originals did turn up months later. But apart from that cover, I had forgotten the rest.
Never actually been that keen on the character. I always found her a bit too bossy for my liking. However, she finally clicked for me in the most recent Young Justice series. The way Brian Michael Bendis wrote her in there worked for me somehow. Which is to say that she wasn't so bossy. So I liked it.
I always liked Empress and Arrowette, I hasten to add.
The teenage superhero girl sidekick I always preferred, and nobody ever talks about her, is Lorena Marquez. Aquagirl from 2004-2011. Whereas Cassie was bossy and no so likeable due to it, Lorena was just likeable and sympathetic pure and simple. She's not been since the dawn of the new 52, and I doubt we'll ever get her back. Is it just me that misses her?
I think Cassie had a one off special in early 2011 as well, but that doesn't come back to me either. Perhaps that would be good for a shorts.
I'm not quite sure how I feel about the art style on this. It looks pretty good in some places with the stylization, but in others it just looks weird.
"Zeus works in mysterious ways" AKA he's off cheating on Hera with the first woman he saw that day
I mean, isn't that his main character trait at this point?
fun fact ! new 52 cassie's armor was made to fight trigon and originally had nothing to do with WW ! It was supposed to be a thing where the armor was slowly taking her over ! After a short arc of dealing with it, it's never brought up again :)
I kind of lost track of Wonder Girl after the 'Who is Donna Troy" arc so if Cassie were to get a solo series I'd favor the pre- New 52 version as an introduction to her.
Ohhh, the Olympian. One of my favorite members of the Global Guardians. DC Should really bring them back
I liked Cassie. I dug her and Conner's relationship and was really disappointed he was killed off and then she ended up getting... 52'd lol
I definitely think she deserves another run maybe she and Connor can be given awhile to be a happy, superpowered, crime-fighting duo haha
Cassie Wonder Girl, _only_ Wonder Girl. My favorite period was the later Young Justice era, where she'd come into her own, but without the drama Geoff Johns added later, although the pre-Identy Crisis stuff was. . . fine. Bendis's Young Justice Cassie was also pretty great, seemingly resetting all the Nu52 crap, but she didn't get a lot of time to shine.
I always thought Cassie deserved a solo series. For me the New 52 Cassie was my favorite, not the powers but her personality. She was kind of mean at the beginning not wanting to be a hero and was originally enemies with Connor. I feel this could have been a mentoring book like Stephanie Brown’s Batgirl. A book showing Cassie growing into her role as a hero while being mentored by Donna Troy, the first Wonder Girl, and her relationship with Connor changing as the book went on
Honestly I was introduced to Cassie as Wonder Girl back in the day before Donna Troy so I have a bias towards her. Also I prefer her backstory over Donna. Idk. They're both cool though
I'm glad you made this. Cassie is all over DCeased and I was too lazy to look up who she was.
Hmmm, maybe have her and some super galpals travel the universe? Maybe do a space version of the Odyssey?
A bit off topic, but can DC start drawing Cassie with short hair again? I just think it looked cool. And you know, write her in character, thats also important (even though it was sadly a rare occurrence for last 2 decades).
"a friend of your mum's" in Greek mythology it's a plus that he's human...
The fact that arrowette and empress got love this series is nice. They feel oft forgotten in pre 52 canon. Have not looked to see if you have done it but a dive into arrowette would interesting.
Sometimes I wonder where Greta ended up too.
I'm still surprised Cassie hasn't really met up with Cassandra Cain (Batgirl, Black Bat, Orphan dear lord have they've pawned off codenames on the poor lass). Then they both be "YES!". Then turn to each other be like, "What?" Then we get the two Cass power trip.
I had this comic when I was a kid ..Cassie was my favorite character
Yeah, this was a weak outing. I was surprised to discover that I actually have this whole series in my collection. Not only did I forget reading it, I forgot owning it. Yeesh.
Hey you've had those Buffy comics in the background for most of your videos.
Have you ever thought of doing a video on them?
I was just thinking I needed some CC today. Low and behold a new episode.
I am really new to your channel, so I don't know how far back into comic lore you've covered, like for instance Mister Miracle or the Blue Beetle. I'm trying to catch up but there is a lot to go through, and that's a good thing. Keep up the good work.
She's certainly covered stuff going back to the early 1940s, if not earlier. It's one of the things I love about this channel.
Cassie is hands down my favorite WonderGirl! It's nice to see a video on her
I don't know I kind of like what was shown here and where it could of gone but yeah the pacing seems like it could of used a lot polish. Honestly would of loved to see more with the relationship with her mom and exploring more of here conflict with the gods in general trying to drag her into there world. Overall I just want her character to be more fleshed out, sadly didn't get that chance. Oh hey also I did want to ask you if you had an opinion at all on the Gerry Conway tweet about manga, maybe a different view or take? Love yah work and take care ^^
I might have expanded more on the lanors thing. Have each issue be a labor that she solves mostly by herself but sometimes with help from friends (but not the same friends each time, Cassie is the one in the spotlight). It could feel like a count-down, building towards whatever is going to happen when she finishes them all. And she’d probably fail dramatically at the last one, but talk herself into being given a second chance and managing that replacement labor instead. It could be action packed but still character driven and have a lot of mythological references.
Oh! Or it could go into the thing where Cassie doesn’t want to join the pantheon, since that’s such a common theme for her. But for some reason she is FORCED to join, and she can’t just leave, so the series is about her trying to mess up just enough that she is cast out again without being killed/punished to badly. Possibly with at least one of the gods knowing exactly what she’s trying to do and interpeting everything she does as good just to be an asshole.
Imagine if Darth Vader employed Hercules's strategy. Luke's just accepting a package or getting a smoothie and there's his dad dressed in a silly costume, trying to get his son to rule the galaxy with him.
As a kid Conner and Cassie were my favorite DC superhero ship. Sad when he died and sad when they ended it. Would have loved to see them together making the journey to adulthood and tying the knot.
Same here. In my headcanon, by Dark Crisis in 2022, Conner and Cassie (as Superman and Wonder Woman/Fury) would’ve been in their 30s (Conner is 34, Cassie is 32), and they would’ve tied the knot at the start of Rebirth in 2016 (or four years ago in sliding time).
I don’t know why, but every time I see wonder girl in that red tank top/low rise jeans combo- she reminds me of “Oops!... I did it again” era Britney Spears for some reason (I kinda love it)
I’ve yet to really delve myself in different pieces that involves her. I really enjoyed her in those really short bits we got of her in Young Justice but even then I felt like I wanted more from her. Looking forward to getting more into her character!
This is a wonder how things are made and well done
I can't be the only one who noticed that the way John Byrne drew Cassie Sandsmark makes her look EXACTLY like the Human Torch when Byrne worked on that series.
This is my very first Wonder Girl. I remember reading a Young Justice Book. And at the time she had black hair and the volleyball🏐 look. Was super confused when she dyed her hair. Understood it later on.
For me the greatest crime for Cassie is stealing her demigod origin for Wonder Woman.
For a series I would like to see her adventuring and going to school on Themyscira. I have wanted to have Themyscira to take refugees from mans world (just women of course), so Cassie could be collecting people to live on Themyscira during her off Island adventures.
I mean, she's still a demigodess, just a third gen one. Which i think its for the best, its kid of more particular that she is the dauther of another god (even if its just an invented one) that the 54 bastard child of Zeus. If anything, i found it more insulting that they took the perfectly funcional and unique origin of Diana and replaced it with something that generic.
I have to point out that Cassie actually had the casual jeans and t-shirt costume first back in YJ.
Also DC clearly missed out on capitalizing on the true dynamics of the Core 4: all each others best friends but Tim&Cassie and Kon&Bart being best best friends.
If I could make my own Wonder Girl comic it'd be the "screw Canon continuity I'm doin' what I want" variety. Early 20s Cassie wondering if she should even still go by "Wonder Girl" because she feels too old for the "girl" part and her ID is public anyway (her secret id actually got revealed to the public twice in New Earth Canon). Cassie casually wonders why she's never heard of any other Demigods running around but wait! A wild Yara appears! She's a 15/16 year old Brazilian Metahuman and kind of a Superhero fangirl. She's a loud, slightly clueless jock with a heart of gold - and she wants Cassie to mentor her! Main plot revolves around Cassie training Yara and them eventually realizing Yara is also a Demigod, Cassie being Greek and dealing with Greek folklore/mythology and Yara being native Brazilian and dealing with Brazilian folklore/mythology, and Cassie eventually passing the Wonder Girl name to Yara.
On the side it's mostly friendship fluff - Cassie's side focused on friendship with Tim in particular but with Kon, Bart, Anita, Slobo, Cissie, and Greta all make appearances but mostly the first two. Also some brief mentions and appearances of their other friends like Aquagirl (Lorena Marquez), Blue Beetle, Static, Supergirl, Miss Martian, etc. Yara's side can establish her starting budding friendships with other heroes her age like Damian Wayne, Nell Little, Colin Wilkes, Duke Thomas, Chris Kent, Lian Harper, the West twins, and Jackson/Kaldur.
I still can't believe that Donna Troy never got her own Wonder Girl series.
Agree
"Lashina has the silliest costume"
Applies to most New Gods, so...
Contest in the comics! Which New God character(s) have the craziest gear?
Black Racer, most feared of all the New Gods, always looks like he's skiing downhill, with a cape!!
I love, love, LOVE Lashina's costume! She's readily equipped for any bondage party with both restraints and lashes! (The safe-word is "Darkseid"!)
I much prefer pre-New 52 Cassie; my idea of a good mini would include developing a supporting cast for her that didn't include Titans (or necessarily Amazons...keep reading); I'd like to see her at school (fleshing out Gateway City at the same time), and, if there is to be an Amazonian supporting character, how about the return of...wait for it...Mala? She could've made good on her insistence to strikeout on her own, and be the proprietor of a vintage clothing store (a nod to Mod-era Diana), and Cassie takes up a part-time job, there. The stories could deal with some topical issues (in the old-school, WW tradition), like guns in school, diversity vs. "traditional" education, teen suicide, etc.
Regardless of whatever took place behind the scenes, Cassie becoming Wonder Girl always felt like. Anissa was slighted to me.
New 52: I have a grest idea, let' s make diana zeus' s daughter!
Wait... That sounds familiar...
Not anymore....
Later: well cassie' s powers from a mystic armor seems a bit off the wonder family... Let' s make her GRAND DAIGHTER OF ZEUS!
Oh my god, you are a genius!
Rebirth: ok, we dont care about her origin anymore... But granpa zeus is here!
Infinite frontier: we literally dont care about anything anymore... Cassie who? We need a new wonder girl!
From what I've read online Amazons Attack! is a bit of a mess. Any plans to cover it here on the channel? I'm here for it haha
Damn I was really hoping for a little bit more shade thrown on the capital of Man's world
Cassie's potential was wasted and ignored by the higher ups at DC. After Conner's death and reemergence after over a year, they made the characters break up in Teen Titans while Conner got a short-lived Superboy series after the New 52. Gaah--trying to keep track of all the DC Crises is almost impossible. Needless to say, the reimagined New 52 Conner and Cassie didn't work out and got lost in the multiverse. So now, we have Young Justice crop up in the multiverse where we see a reconstituted Cassie, Conner, Impulse, Tim Drake alongside new characters Teen Lantern, Jinny Hex and Amethyst in 2019 written by Bendis. So we get a bit of a recap of these characters and how they wind up on Amethyst's Gemworld. So cheers to Cassie's revitalization!
"Listen Herc. I didn't stretch this morning. I can't reach that far!" 😂🤣😂🤣
My mum got me a bunch of bulk comics around the time of Amazon's Attack, she got me the Teen Titans books, some Legion of Superheroes books and Wonder Woman books from this time period so I got to like Cassie very much. I kinda hate the wierd shirt they gave her with the W arms but overall I liked her very much, and because I grew up with those stories I always saw Donna as Troia and Cassie as Wonder Girl. I didn't read New 52 because I wasn't buying comics at that time except for a few Batgirl issues which were pretty meh for me at least and gosh do I HATE that weird-ass golden spike suit.
I always enjoyed her relationship with supergirl though
I remember being in line to talk to Dustin Nguyen at a comic convention and the lineup being in front of Torres' table. I didn't know his work and felt kinda bad that nobody was there fore his table, so I purchased this Wonder Girl book from him.
I'm sure he's a much better writer when not writing a publisher-mandated tie-in comic that has no reason to exist, but I could not bring myself to finish this trade paperback.
I never read this mini; I'd stopped collecting right before Identity Crisis, as DC started degenerating as it tried SO hard to be "relevant". But I always loved Cassie as Wonder Girl. She did that thing that Asokha Tano did: started off annoying and, through character development, became cool (though not as well). The dynamic between her and Conner was great, and if DC had had the sense to allow its timeline to advance, there was potential there. Cassie should have been trained by Donna (who should have been trained by Diana), which would put her in position to be training Yara Flor today - which would be SUCH a fun comic, considering their personalities. DC really is the king of dropping the ball.
When they stole her origin and gave it to Wonder Woman's rewrite, Cassie became sort of redundant. If they'd kept her origin, then she and Wonder Woman would just be half sisters, like any other of Zeus's children. By giving her a new origin, she became a completely different character. The best solution would have been to not change Wonder Woman's origin in the first place. Unfortunately, that path wasn't chosen. Somebody made the point at the time that the previous origin of Wonder Woman, with Zeus as Hippolyta's father, and thus Wonder Woman's grandfather worked better on a thematic level because it means that Diana got her power not from a father figure, but from her mother. Thus increasing the woman-power feel of the concept.
I personally just liked the fact that since Diana was Zeus's granddaughter, and Cassie his daughter, we had a nice reversal of the usual hero/sidekick dynamic with Cassie technically being Diana's Aunt.
Finally, I also liked the odd relationship between Ares and Cassie. While he was still essentially a supervillain, in spite of all the brutal vicious stuff he's done over the centuries, he basically just had a soft spot for his kid sister. Sure, he was trying to groom her to be violent like him, but that also shows that he wanted her to see him as a role model, like any big brother would.
9:57 Sasha do you know the fate series or was this accidental?
I was super bummed when Young Justice got cancelled again, I think it’s the perfect place for Cassie. Tim, Conner Bart and her all feel like friends like the older Titans, I enjoyed the new characters they added too but they didn’t get to be fleshed out enough. I am hoping this series comes back again so we can see more but I am not hopeful since there is a new Wonder Girl and DC seems to be headed in a new direction with Future State. Young Justice, the Zatanna series and Gotham City Sirens were all fun books that got the plug pulled because of various Crisis reboots. Sigh.
I'd really like to see more about Cassie when she was wearing that wig and massive glasses. I think I first ran into her in New 52 Teen Titans, and my readings of older Teen Titans didn't reach the point where she showed up.
I remember a secret origins tale she was used to explain responsibility of her powers. That like Wonder Woman could still be killed by arrow if she's not careful. It was Artemis who was training
In hindsight, it’s kinda weird that given all the reboot/status quo shifts, you’d think some writer would’ve done “new Cheeta is wonder girl”. It has so much potential and streamlines WW woman’s status quo in a meaningful way.
I totally forgot about this mini! I love Cassie and I think with the right writer, she could’ve really soared in a fun way. I’d love to see her in stories that treated her like an Indians Jones / Tomb Raider type character. Give her a quest to recover powerful artifacts tied to Greek myth.
I think the Hercules stone reference could be eluding to the time Atlas left him holding up the heavens crossed with Promethius chained to the stone for giving humans fire... maybe
How could this mini be forgotten? The moment "Amazons Attack" is mentioned. Oh. OH! Oh....
I had no idea who she was until I read DCeased, which I really enjoyed, her and Damien make a great ultimate power couple
You know she's Tim's age, and has dated Tim right? She's like 6 years older than Damian.
If you like dceased not to flex but I have all horror variants of all of the dceased books oh and injustice is a good book
Nonononononononono she’s with me and tim
@@alexpeak6489 like I said never even heard of her before DCeased, and in that she is with Damien (it is the end of the world after all)
@@garethdennis5785 Don't worry, Robins canonically go for older women. Except Tim. I don't recall Tim ever crushing on someone obviously older. I can see her with an older Damien in an apocalypse setting. He's got a bit of faux-magic-mystery vibes from the League, a dedication to the arts of war, and a classical education. I think she'd end up with someone else in normal canon, cause of the more choices her own age thing. They're be like ships that pass in the night.
I remember Cassie and yeah it feels like they did her wrong. I have nothing against Flora your (she just started) but give Cassie her own series
Ikr
Cassie is definitely my go to wondergirl. I remember reading her in young justice
I wonder if Byrne will ever get the credit he deserves for his approach to strong female characters...
from Susan Storm becoming invisible woman, to The female characters in Alpha Flight, his amazing She Hulk run, and his work in DC... the guy really did work hard to write female characters with strength and depth...
i just want to be able to grow up a bit, like pass being a teen and into young adult(19-20) and seeing how she handle the responsibly you know
When it comes to names, 'Hercules' just has the most cultural currency over 'Heracles'. It also helped that the Hercules movies popular back in the day were made in ITALY, lol!!
Sasha mah dear I will always take time out of my day to discuss comics with u
I think the main reason why a lot of people don't think of Cassandra Sandmark as Wonder Girl is because she is mainly called Cassie.
However, she was a very good character in my book and probably one of the best Wonder Girl(s). Now I really don't know how to do a solo series with her, but if DC comics was to relaunch The Birds of Prey series . I could definitely see Cassie aka Wonder Girl as a contender for a new member.
Considering Young Justice was a long-standing series at what was probably the height of my active collecting, for me Tim Drake will always be Robin, Connor will always be Superboy, and Cassie will always be Wonder Girl that come up first in my thoughts. (By that time Donna had pretty firmly been Troia...and then...in a big limbo of sorts writing-wise. Urgh.) Yeah, DC really lost me with nearly everything for the longest time after the death of Connor. I realize most things have now been retconned at least twice, but...yeah. I DID like that Wonder Woman was essentially getting a legacy of characters behind her in the same way as the Flash or Batman had for decades!