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Everybody Guesses Wrong in Fighting Games
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- streamed June 18, 2024
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"No one does that!"
Which is exactly WHY some mad person *would* do that.
5d checkers over here
I have been that person, just because I think it would be funny if it hits-which it has.
I just remembered that I actually have a video saved on my PS4 when I did it to a Birdie in SFV and he rage quit. lol
Sometimes you gotta just assert your dominance and send it. Even better when it works more than once in a row.
It's the Kusoru special
It’s pretty close to the EndingWalker special
The original video is called gamblecore by raxdflipnote btw if you were curious about the audio source
Thanks man i was really curious
Man I miss flipnote
EXDP on someone in the corner is funny as hell, may have to try that
Ken pfp ✅🫡
Nah dude you gotta try EX DPing someone on THEIR wake-up in the corner.
I feel like Endingwalker would absolutely do this
@@Lcg_fgcThat's unmanageable levels of big dick energy.
My friends does that bs lol
Im now mentally plus on block
I am plus right now. Mentally but not in game. Frames disadvantage is preventing me from reaching my peak
EX DP on your opponents wake up is the type of mad lad shit I’d expect Endingwalker to do to you
"Okay, they do this option every time after this thing. I'm finally going to adapt."
*they don't do that option because they're psychic, I guess, and blow me up*
Aw, dang it.
“Alright, my punish isn’t super good, but I’ve punished their wake-up reversal 3 times in a row now. Yeah it’s a new round; but they’ll absolutely not wake-up reversal off this first knockdown”
“Aw dangit.”
I felt this in my very soul. For the entirery of the two rounds, they always meaty.. always. Just well time or not, they mashin'.
But the moment I fingers move to do that reversal, you best bet they'll be blocking.
Sometimes when I'm plus and my opponent does something ridiculous and wins the interaction, I remember Brawlpro saying "you're only minus if you're a bitch" and laugh instead of getting salty
This is lythero erasure!
The "aw dangit" sound effect playing in my head every time I make a wrong decision now is unironically improving my mental game
Kid named delay tech
kid named shimmy
Kid named command grab
*tries to delay tech* aw dangit
(gets shimmied) aw dangit
Bro is making it look like delay tech is like the end all be all cover all options. Be real
Daigo literally hit crouch hard kick 12 times in a row against Rickt Ortiz and Ricky ate almost every single one.
Aw dangit
What set was this I need to see that
@@anarking5764 Evo2k3 3S Ricky Ortiz vs Daigo
Right after the Judgement round
DP on my plus frames is a level of mind games i hope i never reach
doing a reversal on someone mashing on wake up is some kusoru tech i need to do that lmao
Gonna start doing super to hard call out opponents who are mashing on wake up
DP on wakeup
DP on your opponents wake up
DP in neutral
DP in pressure
DP roundstart
Never stop gambling
The mental damage is absolutely worth it.
That meme is so fucking funny. Also i feel like this video is missing the RPS cow lady.
Genuinely, I love your content almost entirely because you generally aren't mean to your opponents.
I like that energy and vibe.
It's a good headspace to aspire to on some real shit.
yeah him and Max both are mega Aw Dangits and Max is constantly like "GOOD SHIT!" while he's getting his ass beat. Great vibes.
Lately I’ve been trying to give my opponent credit for things they do and acknowledging the dice roll when I get hit in an RPS situation, and it’s really helping me improve faster.
It stops me from taking everything that goes wrong in a match as a sign I did something wrong, and lets me focus instead on the choices I’m making and the way I’m executing-things I actually have control over.
I think it helps especially when playing better players. I have a tendency to get frustrated with myself for not finding a path to victory, but the fact of the matter is you’ll lose a lot of interactions bc they’re playing on a higher level of the MU, and that’s fine!
It really clears out your headspace, it’s amazing. People should be saying “aww dangit” more often I think, they would be happier campers.
What worked for me is stopping for a sec after a ranked set and think about things that I did right and things I did wrong. It stops me from getting angry at my opponent and helps with learning at the same time. The switch from getting progressively tilted to staying calm thanks to this technique feels amazing tbh.
Virgin "what is this guy doing" vs Chad "aw dangit"
Nothing feels worst than guessing wrong multiple times in a row lol
What about when you guess right but still lose?
@@munchatize_me then you didnt guessed right
@@miltonmveas Nah I'm just bad
Still occasionally mess up my inputs, but still get the dopamine hit when I guess correctly. It’s a strange interaction to get bopped and be like “if I didn’t fuck up the motion I had their ass.”
smirking, shaking my head with eyes closed, then watching my character get wall-bounce combo'd for 80%, thinking "as soon as my limbs respond to my inputs again your ass is grass."
Me every time I mess up wakeup super
One often overlooked thing as well is that sometimes as the player on offense it does work to throw out a completely stupid terrible option that one would do. Sometimes doing the dumbest thing ends up working cause your opponent is always thinking about the most optimal plays that you could do.
Especially because, as soon as you do it, you can just tell they get insecure about what you will do in the following interactions. Makes the game harder to play for them, it's great.
I do this all the time. It makes you think you're getting beat by a scrub, but in reality, you're the scrub. It doesn't matter how stupid/suboptimal a decision your opponent makes if it works against you.
Every competitive game is like this to an extent due to the fundemental nature of information and fighting another human, fighting games just make it more obvious, because that's part of the fun
I've known the guy who made this meme (not the flipnote audio, but the SF6 clip) for well over a decade and it's been wild seeing him blow up this much over it. Unironically proud of him, tbh.
(He's always been this funny, btw.)
What’s the video called? I want to watch
Same, been playing 012 wit muggs since 2012 lmao
@@B00glefop I think they mean the clip at the start of the video. I don't know where to find the original but if you wanna watch it it's right here.
@@gwen9939 Link to tweet in video description (the Sajam media team is GOATed)
Ain't nothin worse than getting hit with the No Mixup Mixup.
4:00 its also misinputs fairly often, its important to register if your brain was right but your hands were wrong (or if your brain was wrong but your hands were right...)
the part people miss is getting put into the corner in the first place.
I mean, it's not like Ken has access to multiple side switches and insane corner carry either.
dude i got put in corner and comboed to another side corner vs dee jay
@@tilting_cat3344 skill issue
@@nickkiller-0710Yeah but he still has to hit you with a combo starter
Sometimes, you gotta throw rock twice to see what happens
I knew I was cursed to love this genre when I would pop off at correct guesses but not mind losing the match.
Me when I drive block to block highs, mids and lows: ☠️ (I got command grabbed)
Guess =/= random
I think that's what most people need to remember.
Once upon a time we call it a read.
Is this like when Sajam says something he thinks is not a hot take, but somehow the internet disagrees
Sajam - "Aww dangit!"
The funny thing is that even if you were *just* playing rock paper scissors... everybody knows that guy who is their rock paper scissors demon. And while it's ridiculous there's something deeply deflating about realising you're missing a strategy in something so abstract and simple-seeming. The coolest thing about fighting games at a high level to me is how different players develop wildly different frameworks for understanding the decisions they're making - and how those frameworks make them better or worse at understanding other players. Just the concept of "this player is my demon" is kind of psychologically thrilling, no?
Lab monsters and people who really dig into the details of the game end up like poker players who always play by the odds; getting good at the game isn't understanding what the numbers tell you. Getting good at the game is understanding what the numbers tell both you and the other player - and there's no way of getting good enough, in a well designed game, that you can remove that other player from the equation. Sooner or later you simply have to make a call, and there's no guaranteed safety there.
And this is why you're the best, Sajam. Really appreciate you always emphasizing a big boy attitude about video games.
Everyone is gangster till the Marisa whiffs gladius into DI, certified gimmick
Ngl Sajams thumbnails are chef’s kiss
Yeah, I would ex-DP in pressure for laughs and giggles if I have the life to survive a punish (it was an ex-fireball misinput)
thx you i really needed this today.
That video is one of the funniest things ive seen all year
Not gonna lie man. But eating 4 reversals in a row just for him to walk up throw on number 5 makes me wanna throw my stick out the window
Walk up throw, one of the most tilt-inducing moves for people to experience 😂
The block option beats 4 out of 5 of those situations
Aw dangit
@@Achallon it's way worse than sweep/low forward xx drive rush.
@progamerhennessey9483 ah I see the problem. You're playing on stick.
/s
Idea: it’s not the guess, it is being ready to follow up correctly right after the guess.
LastCody and LifeJam have steeled this guys mental strength
Fighting games are about finding a way to hit someone with the dumbest shit so don't take it to heart when the opponent uses meaty fireball within throwing distance.
Surprised you didnt mention the Diaphone clip where he had this as a channel point reward against a Gief with 1 HP who he guessed wrong against every single interaction.
One of the most important things to keep in mind imo is that humans in general have major positive and negative recency bias so it's easy to get stuck in habits long-term like getting yourself in a high-low situation and doing high 85% of the time: even layering simple things like cr.L throw, immediate throw, cr.L cr.L throw, run up TK option to beat throw tech, delay DP to beat the opponent's DP, and so on. None of those options are particularly complicated but that's already 5 different things your opponent has to think about, but it's also 5 things that you have to think about and keep track of as well which is why running drills can be really beneficial.
The "Accounting for risk-reward" part is what I struggle with the most, as I often come up with the worst scenarios possible not just in fighting games, but in daily life as well. However, objectively speaking, most people would not do something that might cost them the round (unless they don't know how punishable this option is), so that takes a few potential outcomes off the list. Then there are the options that just aren't that scary, so maybe playing around them isn't worth the mental stack. Knowing the difference between these two and the actual optimal options takes time, so not being too hard on yourself for guessing wrong AND doing your research when things do go bad is going to pay off in the long run.
This video is especially true for street fighter 6 because of how often the game forces you into aw dangit scenarios. Literally just land one normal into drive rush and it’s guessing time.
Not if you use drive reversal.
@@HeirofDacia it’s extremely easy to bait drive reversal it didn’t really do that much for the game
AW DANG IT
Playing against Bison in SFV before V-Shift with a 4 frame jab character, felt like playing Texas Hold’em vs a dealer with cards with bent corners
could you do one where you talk about guessing, when you have better offense than your opponent?
like, my guilty gear buddy and i are both bad, we do bad combos, but mine are slightly better. and because i tend to get higher reward for winning an interaction, i feel like i put less thought into the choices i make to get there. i just hold downback and occasionally press buttons, i get counterhit a lot, but i usually win anyway because when i guess right, i do more damage.
it super doesn't work when i play online against other people, but it's really hard to break habits when they work against the people you play against most...
Extra space in title
Fighting Games
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Based and spaced
_Chrchrchrchr_ Aw dang it!
I have literally never seen daigo tech a throw on wake up. He is the epitome of "just take the throw"
Being stuck in the corner with burnout is like instantly going from flipping a coin to going all-in in Poker.
silly goose tech goes crazy
Aw dang it
no one ever expects the 5th walk up grab in a row
I know some people in the fgc don't like comparisons to irl sports but it is really like that in a lot of competitive scenes. Fake outs and guesses akin to something like gambling.
Ex DP on your opponents wake up ? We call that the Ending Walker
"let's go gambling!"
The one game I ever got ok at, I realized the key was not winning 100% of my interactions, it was stepping back and asking myself “what interactions can I afford to lose”, deeply changed how I approached matchups.
Of course, sometimes you will win 100% of your interactions and be heavily reward or vice versa, but such is the nature of the game :^)
I strive to some day be able to play like schizophrenic69, constantly making the most unhinged plays that will make my opponent think I have brain damage but getting away with it anyway
Let's go gambling is what you say when you still haven't realized the other human in the match.
Ive discovered that the healthiest thing for me in fighting games, is that when i guess wrong I say damn, good shit, and if my opponent guesses wrong i cackle like my house has chicken legs.
0:33 zangief player do that;cause their anti air is shit against cross up so sometimes they walk back incase you try to cross it
Bout to boot up and guess wrong against Scrumptious Steven yet again
Really s lot of people I'm tournaments will almost always flow chart a common throw loop
Idk man there's that one time Daigo moment vs gamerbee where he dp'd in his face about 5 or 6 times.
Also regarding ex dp in your advantage, that is the endingwalker special lol. However, I also do it to Kim players, because they are always pressing buttons. They think they are slayer or something idk.
Somewhat related, but I used to think people responding to a question like "What do I do here?" with "Just don't be there" was just trolling, but it's really solid advice. It's all about maximizing your offense and minimizing what your opponent can do. If Millia can knock you down and then throw out the disc, your best option is to keep that from happening to avoid the mix-up. Rush her down or zone her out. Always stay out of range of her sweep. it won't always work, but it's a way better way of looking at it than just throwing your hands up and declaring the game is random.
I’ve done ex dp on others wakeup before and it’s only worked out once but I felt so good.
I once fought an Akuma in SFV that kept mashing 3framer on every wake up regardless of how on point my meaties were.
I got so annoyed by this that I once finished a match with a delayed CA on his wake up and it actually worked lmao
Seeing that Counter Hit notification after doing that kinda play is pure bliss
I have the mysterious power of ALWAYS guessing wrong when I'm in a corner (in or out). Even when I try to switch my habits mid-match or even mid-pressure, it doesn't work.
Pretty sure I constantly get matched against e-ESPers that somehow read my inputs before I even make them.
Man, FGC is full of amazing beings...
great
I do ex dp on the opponents wakeup like 2 or 3 times a night
I can only imagine their reaction as they jump or mash something only to get hit by ken ex dp 😂
Gonna try the "Aw, dangit!" tech and see how far it takes me. Currently in somewhat low MR, will report back in a week or so.
sometimes i like to OD DP on wakeup 3 times in a row just to show the opponent i will definitely do it and dont really care. Usually the 2nd one in a row works lol.
raxdflipnote really made it big now huh
If there's even the slightest chance you can go from losing to hitting the jackpot, you should take it.
BZZT! "Aw dangit!"
That's me in pretty much every single situation in SF6 :(
Confession: i have absolutely gone for OD DP in the corner as Jamie lol. I sometimes do it after the drink ender rekka if I'm fairly confident they'll try to take their turn back after the -1 knockdown
Forgive me....
Anyone' got the link to the tweet?
Lag will tilt me so bad it carries over for the next few matches.
The worst version of this is when I (or an opponent) gets into a "gambling thing" mentality and just guesses instead of thinking about what the opponent's options are or what they are actually doing. Like a dope, I woke up lvl2 SA with gief trying to counter an Akuma meaty fireball. He backdashed out of range and never threw the fireball, and I thought "aw dangit".
Then the Akuma DI'd straight into my lvl2 while it was still active and ate a jackhammer to lose the match. You can't DI a SA. Just a total brain fart by him and I have never felt so bad about stealing a win.
Everybodyyyyy's wrooooong.
Everybodyyyyy's wrooooong.
-Some- Eight tiiiimeees...
Is there a fighting game with all or mostly all moves reactable ? I can only think of early seasons of For Honor
Tekken
@@AramesiaToken well the jabs are not or at least are at the very limit of human reaction, 10frames or ~160ms. I was talking about normal levels like 300 to 400ms the lowest
I mean thats just the nature of guessing, you can never reliably guess 100% correct every time.
I stole Smug's tech of sayin good throw good hit ect and it helps me keep the perspective that we are both trying to be right within the wheel of options available.
the worst feeling is thinking you finally guessed right, trying to take your turn, and getting drive reversaled right back onto your ass. But at that point, good on them for keeping me in the corner 👍
The one who never wrong is the one who never play
I always look at the positives of a bad choice like “what should I have done?” My buddy apologizes to me all the time for “cheap stuff” but I just reassure him that he’s playing the character and I gotta learn
it is i who ex dps on their wake up
I am quite a gambling man 😎
I never guess wrong, I always perfectly predict the most optimal and logical thing my opponent could do, they are just of so much lower skill that they cannot think of that option and do something else, so they catch me off guard and that's why I always lose
The guessing part of fighting games never really bothered me. I would just think that if my opponent got a knockdown into an oki scenario on me, then that was their reward. You get to make your opponent suffer until they guess right. I found it easier to just avoid getting into those knockdown scenarios, i.e. win neutral lol
Decent player who love reacting with jab will just check wake up walk in grab. It's strange
Addendum: this is why grapplers are hated early, because Aww Dangit three or four times means you're just dead. Everyone's been pot bustered twice into HPB for a perfect at some point.
one time in a casual set a ken ex dped MY wakeup twice in a row and then quit after winning. i was so salty about it but i know if that was me id be lmao that it worked
EXDP in the corner?
Endingwalker is at it again!
Whenever I make a right guess on offense I always do the anime girl laugh
I just gotta
There should be a fighting game where it's all about skill and you only have 1HP. So everything has good cues and is reactable to.
Let's see how that would do 😅
I just dont know how you can make educated guesses with so many factors. Like by the time Im thinking about everything the oki is over and im eating dirt again
I never guess wrong Sajam my opponent is just a scrub.
Guessing wrong sucks, but, on the other hand, making a godlike read gives enough dopamine to last one month
"No one does that!"
and with that, you've simultaneously just made all of my training partners start frothing at the mouth, while also putting a smile on my face.