The day Pete puts together an online guitar course is the day I sign up for it. You never feel like he’s trying to show off, whether on electric or acoustic. He just tries to play something that showcases the guitar or amp in question. And he always looks like he’s having a great time. Definitely one of my favourite players. Period.
Regarding the comments saying the amps don't sound the same, we completely agree, but I don't think that's the point we were trying to to make in this video. The question we were trying to pose in this video, was that when you just hear those two amps side by side, can you absolutely say which one is valve & which is digital?? Both Pete & I did struggle at some points to say for sure which was valve & which was digital!
Andertons Music Co I think my biggest takeaway was asking myself, “If I’m comparing these two, is it worth the extra money for the valve amp when this new digital model meets my needs for much less money?” Some people have space for a Twin as want to gig with a Twin. But these new ones fit the perfect niche for me, and that’s okay. Great video review!
I don't know if I could tell the difference in-room, but at least in the recording, I correctly identified all 4 amps. That said, if you picked one, on its own, and played it... I'd never know whether it was digital or valve. Context is important to win youtube games, probably not as important for recording music.
When I gig I have to use solid state amps due to the weight as I have arthritis and artificial knees. Even swapped my katana 100 twin for a single 12 as it is much lighter. All my valve amps stay at home. These amps would sort that problem without losing tone. Well done Fender brilliant product.
In nearly all cases I preferred the tone of amp 1 on both sides.... paused at 13:55 to write this- waiting for the reveal. OK, edit time- cab sims sound FANTASTIC to my ears so far... I think I like the cab sim tones best! Finally the reveal- I liked the real Deluxe but much preferred the Tone Master Twin. The ears don't lie!
I almost never chime in on these kinds of things but just gonna put it out there FWIW...1, the Deluxe TM sounded incredible! 2, I honestly dont care if it doesn't sound exactly the same the tone on both the digital versions was really useable 3, These would be great backup amps or if you are doing stereo or wet dry stuff it'd be really affordable to get two. 4, no one in the crowd cares about tube vs digital vs analog solid state they care if you can play Wagon Wheel and Mustang Sally. For someone like me who can't always get the gear I want due to cost both of these amps offer great tone at a reasonable price and are pretty versatile. If you can afford a handwired all tube Twin and you're cool lugging 85 pounds of amp around, go for it and rock out. If not, these are really cool. I love some of the new tech coming out for guitar players.
I have a "real" Twin Reverb (which, of course, I love to bits) and I am seriously intrigued by these. For me, it's the weight issue, first and foremost, that has made me think about these new ones. My back isn't the best, to put it that way, and lugging that beast of an amp 'round to gigs isn't much fun. Haven't seen or tried one for myself yet, but I will.
Bought a Tone Master Twin a couple of weeks ago after A/Bing it against an RI for 2 hours. I have a lot of amps, most of them tube(valve). The Tone Master is my new number 1.
I tried the Deluxe tone master the other day and was blown away. I have a blackface deluxe and having just had it serviced, I'm ready for something lighter and that doesn't need servicing. This would also do away with the worry of something going wrong with a valve at a gig. I think I'm sold! They have nailed the tone and it looks like a proper amp rather than a modern digital one with flashing lights.
I went into this video listening for which ones I liked better instead of which one was the tube or not. Threw me through a loop because I like the Tone Masters on both a little better. They all sounded great though.
The tonemasters are modeled after '65 versions of the same amps. Not modeled after the reproduction, valve versions used in this video. I got to hear them in person today, and they were genuinely two of the greatest sounding amplifiers I have ever heard in my life, valve or solid state/digital. I got to pick them up too, and they were both tons lighter than my Vibrolux. I see tons of people complaining about the price, but to my ear, these amplifiers are just as good as the valve versions, to me, but lighter, never require tube replacements, and they are cheaper. I am so low on cash right now it is not even funny, but I will absolutely buy one.
Its about time that digital amps didn't try to be everything, but concentrated on being just one thing and trying to do it as best they can. Fender are a brand who have have finally cottoned onto this. Okay, for once got to the end of a review and would for once happily use either the real amp or the particular class D. Each sounded different, but both had half decent tone. Only issue for me is that although the Tone Master version was half the price of the real thing, it was still twice the price I would be prepared to pay if I had the money.
@@dominicborg5638 probably nothing. People expect so much for do little these days. They don't know what it's like running a business and trying to make money. Especially when you have other companies competting against you
@@forevernow9459 exactly when pro players cant tell difference between tube or digital amp in terms of sound that tells you how far the tech and fender have come, so many idiots on here who want top class tech to be given away if ya cant afford the best perhaps digital amp on market (this price range) go buy a shitty cheaper sounding amp and tell everyone it the bees knees whatever makes them happy. I personslly own a fender mustang III amp it digital came out a decade ago or so ago, at a fender press release party (public expo) Eric Clapton was left stunned (stunned was the actual qoute from Eric's mouth) when he was told it was a digital amp not a valve amp so impressive enough for Clapton it impressive enough for me too much snobbery especially on social media these days, this 12 or 13 year old digital amp cost me 299 and it 100 watts of output so you want cheap alternatives there ya go champ.
@@deluxeedition46 They were making a big deal out of how close they were but I thought it was pretty easy to tell which amp was the solid state and which was the tube amp.
@@roberttambuscio1061 yea i not disagree with you just saying they come along way and have good features for price points, just cool to know even legendary muscians have to listen pretty intently to work out it Tube amp or not tells me the "Tech" doing its job
Been using TM Deluxe Reverb for a year now and absolutely LOVE it. Love the attenuator control in the back! I just wish it had a jack for external speaker cabinet. ‼️😎🎸😍🎼🎶 only 23 pounds!!
Still learning the ins & outs of my Twin Tone Master, after a few months. I love the amp but, there are things to consider. They aren’t great amps for pedals, if you push the vol up into breakup, pedals can cause the circuit to do weird things. The Tone Master has a boost in the upper frequencies that can be annoying but.... I accidentally found a solution. I have an 80’s MXR Distortion+ that does not have True Bypass. I leave the pedal off & I filters off a lot of that high end. The amazing part of these amps is that they are so versatile & you do feel like you are sitting in front of a twin.
These are cool amps.The DI out, Attentuator, and Cab sim make this a really cool alternative to a real tube amp. It's perfect for home players that want the tone of Fender but need volume and home recording features not available in traditional amps.
They run different speakers so I think that’s got a big impact on the slight difference in tone. I reckon you could get them sounding even closer by putting the same speakers in them.
Vaiyen nope. I preferred the new non tube versions it seems. I own three tube amps (blackstar orange and fender) and two solids states (Marshall 250 and a kustom 100). This was interesting
@@kbcarroll Chappers ability to determine the make and model of guitars while blindfolded is uncanny. It's far beyond the norm. Don't hate. I'll listen to his opinion on these things all day long. I love Pete and I love Lee but after they reviewed the Fender GT and gave a nice positive response to it, I'll never listen to another word they say on a Fender product. I just won't.
You don't need rob to hear the difference between them. Frankly I almost always prefered one to another without knowing which was which, usually 2 was darker and more compressed. Sometimes it was better sometimes worse. ALmost always I never really liked each sample THAT much lol. As far as "devoting all that power to just amp modelling" that is bs. Digitech did it as well, for some time now (for example the digital pedals of theirs had the same DNA chip with their whole multi fx line, only did digital). They can cheap out on cpu by not having math worthy IR digital convolution in there. I am betting that their chip can't load amp model-IR-high definition reverb at the same time. HK had the zentera doing sharc on two V30s for some time now. Whatever the digital emulators do they cannot replicate the natural negative feedback loop that is voltage created from the speaker magnet going back to the power amp...They can't because it's a physical thing. Whatever they do, their signal ends up on a real speaker in these amps so...
The thing is. Modeled amps (when this good) will always sound “perfect” because they are modeled after perfect examples of the stated amp. This is great, because it will always sound the way it’s intended; Additionally, you won’t get tube rattle or weird hum or dampened springs. But. Sometimes it’s those amp differences, those issues, that make the amp unique... the way they age... YET, doesn’t mean they won’t / can’t release updates with an app that let you tweak / age elements. Hmmm. Seriously considering the Deluxe.
I use to own a Fender Hot Rod Deville 410. A great amp but heavy and back breaking. After many years of use it kept dying on me. The soldering joints on the board started to fall apart due to excessive travelling. I sold it and replaced it with a Roland JC 120 an amazing amp. No valve problems, reliable, heaps of power but heavy and costly. In Australia, it costs as much as a valve amp. I just acquired the Fender Tone Master Twin Reverb today. It is amazing and light. I have a few gigs coming up and can’t wait to use it. It is a great amp and very close to sound of a valve amp. Solid state Amps are cheap but that is why they sound ordinary. This one sounds amazing and I am happy to pay extra dollars for a good amp, reliability, great sound and light weight just like I did with my Roland JC120. All you guys bagging solid state don’t gig that much and probably don’t carry heavy amps up stairs. Jamming musicians. Saving my back is a big plus and the sound at end of the day comes from your fingers. Your audience wouldn’t know the difference, only you would. This amp sounds amazing.
I am impressed! I love tubes but been looking for an alternative. I know it’s a bit pricy, but considering you get everything you need in one package, it’s not a bad deal.
Right, I’ve been around the block musically speaking. Firstly this is “ Subjective “ I started on solid state amps. Marshall 75 watt reverb. I’ve played all sorts of amps. Back in the day Yamaha attempted this with an amp that had moving nobs and digital modelling, They where trying to convince me to take an endorsement and tried to tell me (salesperson ) that its was as good as a valve amp. It wasn’t. The Fender however is a world apart from that amp and without context of the valve amp sitting next to It i personally feel anyone using the tone master would be happy. I would be happy to use it. I think the solid state amp is something you just need to get used too but you could for sure get lovely tones out of it. For me, I could easily tell the difference between the two, the valve amps just have the high end sparkle that i love, having said that a lot of guitar players like a rounded off tone, myself included and I think that would make it harder to tell the difference. I sussed it within 30 seconds that A was valve. Would I use the solid state ? 100%. Am I going to? Nope. I have the 64 deluxe hand wired and I wouldn’t compromise, it’s not very heavy such as the twin and in my personal opinion ( subjective ) it the best amp ever made, a sweet spot for studio, live, headroom. The achievable tones are outstanding. I think it’s all about where you are on your guitar journey and it’s fine to love more than one amp. You guys do a great job of trying to be objective and informative without allowing your personal opinions to sway what the potential buyer might instinctively feel about a product. The tone master ( for a solid state amp ) is a winner in my opinion, I just prefer the valves singing and I have learned through many many mistakes to trust my gut and ears. Buy once , but the best you can afford and use the thing. When I was a kid, if my mum had bought me the Tone Master as my first amp I would have been doing kart wheels all down the street with excitement. If i had the tone master now i would be indifferent as I have many points of reference and years of experience using amps. I think it’s important not to let the equipment get in the way of the art of making music. I use that phrase “ It gets in the way “ a lot to describe anything that interferes or slows you down in the moment of inspiration. This amp doesn’t do that, you just switch it on and play so that’s good but at the same time, a great sound and tone can inspire you to play better and if you can find your sound and not need to mess around constantly chasing the tone you will spend more time playing and less faffing around with nobs. I see that a lot when I play lives people that constantly miss the moment because they mess around too much. You set your sound up for live, a couple of adjustments between the odd song, set it forget it and concentrate on the playing and performance, as long as it’s close enough to what you need, i find the tome perfectionists sometimes miss the point and I guess it depends on what kind of performer you are. I personally am not to keen on the self amusing player and prefer to serve the listeners. sorry I went of on a tangent there. Anyways that’s just my humble opinion , but hey, what the f do i know anyway. Thanks for all the fun videos guys it’s been really great during lockdown although it makes us all want to spend money. Oh an Pete is a fantastic player, i know he hears that a lot. I don’t know much about his playing history, do you still gig Pete? Thanks
I played along and wrote down which was which, I got them both right but preferred the Tone Master for both. Am I right in thinking that Lee described the real twin as sounding like something was broken when it was cranked?!! It did too.
Could I hear a difference? Yes, it was a pretty big difference. That being said I thought the TM sounded pretty darn good. The differences were more apparent on the twin to my ears. I bet if you spend a little time dialing the EQ you could've gotten them to sound even closer. Pretty cool idea if you ask me. Heck, I even thought the cab sim sounded decent. Very usable tones and took pedals great.
I was seriously impressed by the sound of these, especially the Deluxe tonemaster. But, they're cheaper than the original amplifier but they still ain't cheap though are they? I was expecting more around the £500-600 mark
The reverb for me was the giveaway on both the originals and made them immediately identifiable..... not saying that it was better, you can just clearly hear the spring oscillation on the origanl valve amps whereas the reverb on the Tone Masters is far smoother and 'digital' like....... If im honest I actually preferred the sound of both Tone Master amps over the originals........ May be shot for saying so but that's what my ears where telling me..... then add in all of the additional functionality and reliability and I'm defniately sold....
Convalescence reverb Lee??? Must be a new thing for rock stars going into rehab!!! :P Seriously though these look and sound great. I really couldn't tell. They sound like the same amp but with a speaker change... and it's fantastic Fender has used the new tech but kept it simple!!! Awesome! :)
For that price? No. Not to say they're not good - I'm all about the light weight and the power scaling, DI etc. (I use a pedalboard amp!). Just too expensive IMO.
Rob C Honestly, I was thinking the same. That’s really the only way they at all significantly missed the mark. Just like ONE price bracket cheaper, and these would’ve been basically inarguable.
PS: I guessed right answer for the rigs in like 5 secs for both ... Not sayin that Tonemasters sounded bad or something. But they still miss something valve-y ...
I’m sorry, I can’t hear anything over the glory of Charcoal Frost Metallic 😎😍😍😍 Seriously, tho, I’m gonna rewatch parts of this on better speakers later, but they both sound good 🤷🏼♂️ They don’t sound identical, but they sound good, and the “bonus” features of the new series are SO useful and practical that I really feel like professional, gigging musicians probably SHOULD take this seriously. Good move, Fender 👍🏻
Great Demo guys.. Ive gone from Full M Stacks, half stacks to 2x12's, Jcm 800's & Jcm 2000's, 50w & 100w, to a lil fender 15w Super champ and its one of the best sounds i've ever had, esp when put thru the pa system and i've a bunch of other amp tone options to boot. Today is all about convenience & tone and i feel Fender has something here BIG TIME! if you have the look, the tone and its half the weight.. its gotta be worth a try surely. yes the price is pretty high right now, but if you ever lifted a twin, man its crazy and with most blues rock players being aged 40+.. this folks will be the future, other amp manufacturers will watch with interest and to me .. it looks bright for all
I couldn't say which was valve and which was digital. There was a more 'muffled' sound on two of the amps which could well just be down to the difference in speakers. Really hard to tell. These have come on in leaps and bounds since Mosfet and early digital amps where the difference was much clearer. And, to be honest, I think the cab sims offered some of the best sounds in the demo.
Yes, there was a definite difference between amp1 and amp2. Much more pronounced in Pete's setup than Lee's. Not sure whether it was the Tele vs the Strat or the 1x12 vs the 2x12. Could I hear which was which....nope. In Pete's case I preferred Amp1 as for Lee's, I couldn't make my mind up.....thanks Andertons, great comparison video.
I love the concept.. Pretty cool.. If Fender would do the same with a few choice tweeds...twin. Deluxe.. Bassman maybe. That'd be great and very interesting
Well I could tell immediately that they were different... but it took me a while to tell which was the digital. I got it right though and the reverb comparison was the confirmation... even before you told us. I’m also gonna point out that the speaker difference has a huge impact on the sound too... I thought the DI was actually pretty impressive!
So yeah, ide say fender is safe from the far out days of tubeless amps. These sound great! They also just set a new pricing scale for digital replicas going forward for other manufacturers, but I get it. A twin should always be cherished. New challenge battle of the hybrids, next one, superchamp, Av30 ect...?
Great end jam guys and that grey Strat Lee, is the first relic that gets me. But the amps? Fender knocking it out of the park with original thinking. Leo would be so proud! BRILLIANT!
@@kaostheoryx which only goes to show that all the things being said are true - two people perceive differently and the wheel gets turning. Anyway those are cool amps - I liked them. However, I would buy the twin and knock myself out. How about you?
@@Badonkadonker For the modeling I would choose the Tone Master Twin I really like that sound. If I wanted to go with actual tubes I really liked the sound of the deluxe. But like with anything your mileage may very everyone has different tone and I'm sure that all of these amps can be tuned to something that would work.
Was really impressed with the amps, once they were cranked and high levels of gain they weren't quite as good. The speaker sim really sounded good too. They're a bit more expensive than I'd hope, but I guess it's a new design, and we'll built. I'd certainly consider the deluxe for the second amp in a wet dry rig if the price comes down a little more
I bought the TM Twin Reverb. I have 13 amps most of which are tube/valve types. This has been my best purchase decision ever. Now we need a blind fold shoot out with Chappers. Two of the real thing for each model and a TM of each type. This would allow for the small differences between any two amps of the same type.
I think I'm in a fair position to give my thoughts on these amps. A while back, an Andertons video sold me on a 2016 limited telecaster (ice blue metallic). Although I missed the boat on the clearance, I did scoop one up used for $850!! and let me tell you, I now measure anything else I play against that guitar. I have been playing through a 1965 fender champ, but wanted something I could control a bit more. I found a USED tonemaster deluxe from guitar center for $699. It still had the cardboard feature list on top. Being as new as they were, I knew it couldn't have been used much, and it looked new. This amp is amazing! It's just simple, and sounds wonderful. I can't get over how good this combination sounds, and can play for hours. Did just that tonight on the porch with a few beers. If I had to buy another, I would without hesitation.
For the deluxe, 1 def sounded better to me. Think it had more tube harmonic things going on. For the twin, I went back and forth. Think I liked 1 better, but later in the video the tonemaster twin sounds so good. I doubt I could tell the diff in real life.
Yeah, outro jam on the tonemaster twin sounds incredible. Maybe it's because real twins are so finnicky in real life to get them dialed in. The tonemaster one seems to sound great at lots of diff settings.
you answered your own question with your opening line: Ireally like them, as for me , I dont like them at all, I like Peavey Bandit Transtube 112s ( the newr models, not the red stripes...), at least twice the power and clarity, tubelike breakage if wanted, half the price, and the deal breaker for me: pedal friendly; Ive read that the tonemasters dont like pedals at all ( no wonder built singlemodel led...!), cheers, K : )
Remember these are brand new, and currently quite unique... I'd expect the prices to come down as more amps get added to the lineup and other brands jump on the bandwagon.
2022: Excellent as always. I love the collaboration between the two of you guys and hearing you both play. I really thought that both #2 amps were the tone master amps during the demonstration. I recently bought the twin tone master and I love it. I am thinking of changing out one of the 12" speakers with the Celestion G12 Neo Creamback speaker for a nice mix/blend of sounds. I've heard of someone on youtube doing this and he is very satisfied with the results. Thanks again.
Capt 1 and Pete 2. They seemed to rumble a bit and i like that. Digital often cuts a bit sharper in my experience. I use a 2 amp set up with a digital and a tube together and it serves my needs and fills the gaps. Nice vid.
I see a lot of remarks of the price. I’m not sure I agree. Half the weight is a huge selling point to me. Not having to worry about changing or carrying spare tubes is also a great feature. And the attenuation and speaker sims... It seems to me like you get the same sound and look and an amp that’s three times as good considering the new features. Perhaps it should be double the price of these heavy, loud as hell originals ;)
I could tell which one's were the tube amps during the demo, but the differences were not dramatic. I love the idea of single amp emulation, rather than the typical "everything but the kitchen sink" version of modeling. The cab emulation would be great in a studio context for direct recording.
Lee has become an amazing player (Pete always has been). You know, there's a pub next door. I would love to see a video of an Anderton's night with current and alumni players.
So 2 was the tube one? Crap , I picked 2 out on everything as being less stale digital feeling... I was hoping I'd be wrong and that would be the tone master
Coming back to this video because I'm debating getting one of these. I really want a 65 Princeton Reverb however I live in an apartment and I can't get very loud and the fact that these seem to be the only fender amplifiers that have built-in power attenuation kind of annoys me.You would think power attenuation would be the standard in 2019 for all amplifier manufacturers.I really can't tell much difference between these and the original versions but the lightweight and the power scaling definitely has my attention however like many have said I feel like these are priced too high for what they are.
I bought one and I can say they are worth every penny. A pine cab and high quality speaker on their own would run you 400 dollars at least. Add in the direct out and the attenuator plus all of the R&D that went into these for three years and the price is pretty on point.
@@superbford I suppose I think they're going to be more attractive on the used market in a couple months I did actually play one today and anyone that says they can tell the difference is a cork sniffer they are dead on accurate to the original The only way I could see anyone being able to tell the difference is in the reverb but the amp tone itself is dead on
I’ve had zero interest in digital amps due to the option paralysis that typically comes with them but this seems like a bit of a game changer in a marketplace that still loves traditional designs
I guessed both amplifiers correctly! But I have to say, as an apartment dwelling parent, the digital amp with DI and cabsim is a home recording dream come true. I haven’t yet heard a digital amplifier try to mimic a full valve amplifier and succeed like this. I can’t wait to try this for myself!
I’d argue that *not* having multiple models in the same box is a huge Achilles heel; particularly for the prices they’re asking. What Fender should have done was build two ‘shells’ - a 1 x 12 and 2 x 12 - and offered at least four or five different legacy models within each, aimed at the same price bracket as the Boss Nextone.
JazzzRockFuzion true the nextone is very good imo slightly better than the already very good katana, these sound good but I think they are maybe 1-200ish too expensive, they really only seem like a buy if you have to have a DR or Twin & a pedal isn’t good enough?
Thanks for the video on this! This really clarifies that I can save a lot of money for little, if any, tone noticeable difference between a digital model amp and a tube amplifier. I love tube amps but for home practice, the digital tube amps gives you such more better options with the built in attenuation. Plus, I can use the extra money towards other items.
EntertainmentCity wtf lol nah i just bought boss katana 100 cause its literally like 1/3 of the price and not that much tone difference to someone looking for a backup amp
Me too! I reckon the engineers were reluctant to reproduce that last degree of "ice pick" highs on the Tonemaster Twin, so it sounds better than the real thing.
Deluxe Reverbs have always been a troublesome amp including the reissue handwired. I’ve had mine for one year and it has been in the shop four times. I’m ready for something more reliable!
I was digging through some old forums about the DR and Twin. Comment after comment.... too loud or too heavy. Many wanted to buy the twin, but it was... too loud or too heavy, so they “compromised” with the DR. And yes, many prefer the DR. This line of amps “fixes” both of those complaints that come up over and over and over again. And apparently you don’t really need to compromise tone to do it. Sure the price is high (for now), but given these amps solve the two most common complaints levied against their namesake, I predict many gigging musicians who like the sound of these amps will jump ship from the real deal. For those who got the DR who really would have preferred to get the Twin, but found it just too heavy and loud. It’s your lucky day. Now you can get your twin and eat it too.
What might not be obvious is how much _actual_ tube Deluxes and Twins differ from one another. Line up a bunch of new production DRRIs and TRRIs (or even more, vintage Blackfaces), and there will be noticeable differences in tone and volume. Not major, but they are there in an A/B test. These differences are a given because of the way components are made (pots, caps, resistors, transformers, speakers). Well, you could avoid the differences by cherry-picking components, but that would make the tube amps even more expensive. So yeah, there are gonna be differences between the ToneMaster and a given tube counterpart, probably. But there will be differences between multiple samples of the tube amp, too. Just the nature of the beast!
@@orlock20 ... and the sound engineers of Fender know about this weakness. If you use a 24bit audio AD converter and leave enough head roomit will not clip with pedals. It should be fine in all use cases. Didn't calculate it, just a guess. But 24bit converter have a range of >120dB (in theory even upto 144dB). Should be fine to cope with the complete expected input signal range +3-6dB head room as safety margin. Except you drive it with a tone generator and signals you would never get with pedals.
@Rusty Undercarriage that's than a different story. this does not due to the input range. touch sensitivity might be but very unlikely as the dynamic range of 24 bit with a carefully designed input op amp stage will capture lowest level and higher level signals as needed. The distortion sound is a matter of improving the models. As more powerful the DSPs are as better you can get your algorithms. That's what we see in the last years. they started ok and now they are getting closer and closer to the originals. At one point the remaining factor in opinion is belief not facts. We are not there yet... But as the old designs varied a lot due to hand wiring, part tolerances etc. it's hard to get "the" Twin or "the" Delux. Double blind test would be great. Neither the test leader nor the tester should know what they are testing. In addition you should test 5-10 of each amps per blind test to avoid that coincidence overlays the test result. But all that would remove the fun of this videos. We are watching them for fun and like to discuss the results. The are not scientific test and that's what I like. Love this channel since nearly the beginning of it!
@Rusty Undercarriage The golden ear argument is never disprovable even with best mess equipment, medical finding related to audio engineering theory and physics. Thus I'm out of the thread.
I have a Fender Champion 100 2x12 solid state with Amp models and effects and an fx loop. Best and LOUDEST amp I've ever had, only weighs 40 lbs and cost less than 500 dollars Canadian. It's got 2 channels, 1 is just your basic 65' Twin, nice and clean, LOTS of headroom. plus effects. 2 is where you get different amp. The fenders are awesome, that reverb is there. and a 5150 is there, so as Ola would say. You Can Chug. lol. Great Amp.
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The day Pete puts together an online guitar course is the day I sign up for it. You never feel like he’s trying to show off, whether on electric or acoustic. He just tries to play something that showcases the guitar or amp in question. And he always looks like he’s having a great time. Definitely one of my favourite players. Period.
Peter is so well rounded... Tastefull playing. never "showing" off ... And Lee's outro was some of the best i heard from him..
Start transcribing one measure at a time. Transpose and sing.
Same here ... his playing is so tasty. Loving the fun he has while he's playing. Always smiling ...
Focus on practising instead of praising if you want to learn playing guitar
Regarding the comments saying the amps don't sound the same, we completely agree, but I don't think that's the point we were trying to to make in this video. The question we were trying to pose in this video, was that when you just hear those two amps side by side, can you absolutely say which one is valve & which is digital?? Both Pete & I did struggle at some points to say for sure which was valve & which was digital!
Andertons Music Co I think my biggest takeaway was asking myself, “If I’m comparing these two, is it worth the extra money for the valve amp when this new digital model meets my needs for much less money?” Some people have space for a Twin as want to gig with a Twin. But these new ones fit the perfect niche for me, and that’s okay. Great video review!
Weren't the badges on the TM's a giveaway?
@@clarencevickrot3531 No.
You agree they don’t sound the same...but you couldn’t tell the difference??? 🤨
I don't know if I could tell the difference in-room, but at least in the recording, I correctly identified all 4 amps.
That said, if you picked one, on its own, and played it... I'd never know whether it was digital or valve. Context is important to win youtube games, probably not as important for recording music.
When I gig I have to use solid state amps due to the weight as I have arthritis and artificial knees. Even swapped my katana 100 twin for a single 12 as it is much lighter. All my valve amps stay at home. These amps would sort that problem without losing tone. Well done Fender brilliant product.
Is the 112 Katana as loud as the 212? Is there much tonal difference between the two?
@@bobbyruggs808 the 212 is louder
Ok I just bought a Tone Master deluxe reverb and I love it. It sounds great. Its a keeper.
In nearly all cases I preferred the tone of amp 1 on both sides.... paused at 13:55 to write this- waiting for the reveal. OK, edit time- cab sims sound FANTASTIC to my ears so far... I think I like the cab sim tones best! Finally the reveal- I liked the real Deluxe but much preferred the Tone Master Twin. The ears don't lie!
I almost never chime in on these kinds of things but just gonna put it out there FWIW...1, the Deluxe TM sounded incredible! 2, I honestly dont care if it doesn't sound exactly the same the tone on both the digital versions was really useable 3, These would be great backup amps or if you are doing stereo or wet dry stuff it'd be really affordable to get two. 4, no one in the crowd cares about tube vs digital vs analog solid state they care if you can play Wagon Wheel and Mustang Sally. For someone like me who can't always get the gear I want due to cost both of these amps offer great tone at a reasonable price and are pretty versatile. If you can afford a handwired all tube Twin and you're cool lugging 85 pounds of amp around, go for it and rock out. If not, these are really cool. I love some of the new tech coming out for guitar players.
I have a "real" Twin Reverb (which, of course, I love to bits) and I am seriously intrigued by these. For me, it's the weight issue, first and foremost, that has made me think about these new ones. My back isn't the best, to put it that way, and lugging that beast of an amp 'round to gigs isn't much fun. Haven't seen or tried one for myself yet, but I will.
Bought a Tone Master Twin a couple of weeks ago after A/Bing it against an RI for 2 hours. I have a lot of amps, most of them tube(valve). The Tone Master is my new number 1.
Now I'm convinced I need one
I preferred both Tonemasters in a blind test. Man. What do I think?
Whoa! Me too. I'm actually freaked out about it.
@@JimmyWatfordGuitar oí i96i
same here, sick
I tried the Deluxe tone master the other day and was blown away. I have a blackface deluxe and having just had it serviced, I'm ready for something lighter and that doesn't need servicing. This would also do away with the worry of something going wrong with a valve at a gig. I think I'm sold! They have nailed the tone and it looks like a proper amp rather than a modern digital one with flashing lights.
I went into this video listening for which ones I liked better instead of which one was the tube or not. Threw me through a loop because I like the Tone Masters on both a little better. They all sounded great though.
The tonemasters are modeled after '65 versions of the same amps. Not modeled after the reproduction, valve versions used in this video. I got to hear them in person today, and they were genuinely two of the greatest sounding amplifiers I have ever heard in my life, valve or solid state/digital. I got to pick them up too, and they were both tons lighter than my Vibrolux. I see tons of people complaining about the price, but to my ear, these amplifiers are just as good as the valve versions, to me, but lighter, never require tube replacements, and they are cheaper. I am so low on cash right now it is not even funny, but I will absolutely buy one.
Jesse Perkins Great insight, thank you. I’m really leaning towards one of these.
Its about time that digital amps didn't try to be everything, but concentrated on being just one thing and trying to do it as best they can.
Fender are a brand who have have finally cottoned onto this. Okay, for once got to the end of a review and would for once happily use either the real amp or the particular class D. Each sounded different, but both had half decent tone.
Only issue for me is that although the Tone Master version was half the price of the real thing, it was still twice the price I would be prepared to pay if I had the money.
Paul Summerside thanks for sharing, what would you get for half the price then? And which amp in your opinion has a full decent tone? Cheers
@@dominicborg5638 probably nothing. People expect so much for do little these days. They don't know what it's like running a business and trying to make money. Especially when you have other companies competting against you
@@forevernow9459 exactly when pro players cant tell difference between tube or digital amp in terms of sound that tells you how far the tech and fender have come, so many idiots on here who want top class tech to be given away if ya cant afford the best perhaps digital amp on market (this price range) go buy a shitty cheaper sounding amp and tell everyone it the bees knees whatever makes them happy.
I personslly own a fender mustang III amp it digital came out a decade ago or so ago, at a fender press release party (public expo) Eric Clapton was left stunned (stunned was the actual qoute from Eric's mouth) when he was told it was a digital amp not a valve amp so impressive enough for Clapton it impressive enough for me too much snobbery especially on social media these days, this 12 or 13 year old digital amp cost me 299 and it 100 watts of output so you want cheap alternatives there ya go champ.
@@deluxeedition46 They were making a big deal out of how close they were but I thought it was pretty easy to tell which amp was the solid state and which was the tube amp.
@@roberttambuscio1061 yea i not disagree with you just saying they come along way and have good features for price points, just cool to know even legendary muscians have to listen pretty intently to work out it Tube amp or not tells me the "Tech" doing its job
Peter's loops are just pure bliss, really great demo and playing guys!
haha
Been using TM Deluxe Reverb for a year now and absolutely LOVE it. Love the attenuator control in the back! I just wish it had a jack for external speaker cabinet. ‼️😎🎸😍🎼🎶 only 23 pounds!!
Still learning the ins & outs of my Twin Tone Master, after a few months. I love the amp but, there are things to consider. They aren’t great amps for pedals, if you push the vol up into breakup, pedals can cause the circuit to do weird things. The Tone Master has a boost in the upper frequencies that can be annoying but.... I accidentally found a solution. I have an 80’s MXR Distortion+ that does not have True Bypass. I leave the pedal off & I filters off a lot of that high end. The amazing part of these amps is that they are so versatile & you do feel like you are sitting in front of a twin.
These are cool amps.The DI out, Attentuator, and Cab sim make this a really cool alternative to a real tube amp. It's perfect for home players that want the tone of Fender but need volume and home recording features not available in traditional amps.
I guessed both wrong based on what i thought sounded best. That was my guess for the valve amps. Crazy.
But if you played them, I bet you'll feel a difference.
I love this, I chose the valve deluxe and the Tonemaster Twin.
They run different speakers so I think that’s got a big impact on the slight difference in tone. I reckon you could get them sounding even closer by putting the same speakers in them.
Lee no. 2
Pete no. 1
But I don’t know what I’m choosing. There are my favourites
xxnonstopdancingxx same
Felt the same.
xxnonstopdancingxx same herecman i want to se whitch one i choose
Same, could have sworn there was more going on tonally with Lee's no2 amp, and it was just the cranked sound of the no2 twin that put me off a little.
Vaiyen nope. I preferred the new non tube versions it seems. I own three tube amps (blackstar orange and fender) and two solids states (Marshall 250 and a kustom 100). This was interesting
The cab emulators sound awesome! I was really surprised by that.
Rob has a good set of ears. I feel there's a blindfold test coming ... Can Chappers smell tubes?
He has good ears within the specific range of "extreme high gain with boiling hot bridge puckup"
@@kbcarroll Chappers ability to determine the make and model of guitars while blindfolded is uncanny. It's far beyond the norm. Don't hate. I'll listen to his opinion on these things all day long. I love Pete and I love Lee but after they reviewed the Fender GT and gave a nice positive response to it, I'll never listen to another word they say on a Fender product. I just won't.
Chappers wasnt in this video. That was Danish Pete with Captain Lee.
You don't need rob to hear the difference between them. Frankly I almost always prefered one to another without knowing which was which, usually 2 was darker and more compressed. Sometimes it was better sometimes worse. ALmost always I never really liked each sample THAT much lol.
As far as "devoting all that power to just amp modelling" that is bs. Digitech did it as well, for some time now (for example the digital pedals of theirs had the same DNA chip with their whole multi fx line, only did digital). They can cheap out on cpu by not having math worthy IR digital convolution in there. I am betting that their chip can't load amp model-IR-high definition reverb at the same time.
HK had the zentera doing sharc on two V30s for some time now.
Whatever the digital emulators do they cannot replicate the natural negative feedback loop that is voltage created from the speaker magnet going back to the power amp...They can't because it's a physical thing. Whatever they do, their signal ends up on a real speaker in these amps so...
Final Frontier 😂😂😂
The thing is. Modeled amps (when this good) will always sound “perfect” because they are modeled after perfect examples of the stated amp. This is great, because it will always sound the way it’s intended; Additionally, you won’t get tube rattle or weird hum or dampened springs. But. Sometimes it’s those amp differences, those issues, that make the amp unique... the way they age... YET, doesn’t mean they won’t / can’t release updates with an app that let you tweak / age elements. Hmmm. Seriously considering the Deluxe.
The looks these two share tell volumes. 😐🙄
Wow!!! I listened through high-quality speakers and got both amps wrong. Congratulations, Fender!
Kudos to Fender’s Scottsdale R&D team for their fine work on these great new amps. I’ve played the Twin TM & I’m impressed!
Both cases I like the digital one best. Nice!
I use to own a Fender Hot Rod Deville 410. A great amp but heavy and back breaking. After many years of use it kept dying on me. The soldering joints on the board started to fall apart due to excessive travelling. I sold it and replaced it with a Roland JC 120 an amazing amp. No valve problems, reliable, heaps of power but heavy and costly. In Australia, it costs as much as a valve amp. I just acquired the Fender Tone Master Twin Reverb today. It is amazing and light. I have a few gigs coming up and can’t wait to use it. It is a great amp and very close to sound of a valve amp. Solid state Amps are cheap but that is why they sound ordinary. This one sounds amazing and I am happy to pay extra dollars for a good amp, reliability, great sound and light weight just like I did with my Roland JC120. All you guys bagging solid state don’t gig that much and probably don’t carry heavy amps up stairs. Jamming musicians. Saving my back is a big plus and the sound at end of the day comes from your fingers. Your audience wouldn’t know the difference, only you would. This amp sounds amazing.
I am impressed! I love tubes but been looking for an alternative. I know it’s a bit pricy, but considering you get everything you need in one package, it’s not a bad deal.
Right, I’ve been around the block musically speaking. Firstly this is “ Subjective “ I started on solid state amps. Marshall 75 watt reverb. I’ve played all sorts of amps. Back in the day Yamaha attempted this with an amp that had moving nobs and digital modelling, They where trying to convince me to take an endorsement and tried to tell me (salesperson ) that its was as good as a valve amp. It wasn’t. The Fender however is a world apart from that amp and without context of the valve amp sitting next to It i personally feel anyone using the tone master would be happy. I would be happy to use it. I think the solid state amp is something you just need to get used too but you could for sure get lovely tones out of it. For me, I could easily tell the difference between the two, the valve amps just have the high end sparkle that i love, having said that a lot of guitar players like a rounded off tone, myself included and I think that would make it harder to tell the difference. I sussed it within 30 seconds that A was valve. Would I use the solid state ? 100%. Am I going to? Nope. I have the 64 deluxe hand wired and I wouldn’t compromise, it’s not very heavy such as the twin and in my personal opinion ( subjective ) it the best amp ever made, a sweet spot for studio, live, headroom. The achievable tones are outstanding. I think it’s all about where you are on your guitar journey and it’s fine to love more than one amp. You guys do a great job of trying to be objective and informative without allowing your personal opinions to sway what the potential buyer might instinctively feel about a product. The tone master ( for a solid state amp ) is a winner in my opinion, I just prefer the valves singing and I have learned through many many mistakes to trust my gut and ears. Buy once , but the best you can afford and use the thing. When I was a kid, if my mum had bought me the Tone Master as my first amp I would have been doing kart wheels all down the street with excitement. If i had the tone master now i would be indifferent as I have many points of reference and years of experience using amps. I think it’s important not to let the equipment get in the way of the art of making music. I use that phrase “ It gets in the way “ a lot to describe anything that interferes or slows you down in the moment of inspiration. This amp doesn’t do that, you just switch it on and play so that’s good but at the same time, a great sound and tone can inspire you to play better and if you can find your sound and not need to mess around constantly chasing the tone you will spend more time playing and less faffing around with nobs. I see that a lot when I play lives people that constantly miss the moment because they mess around too much. You set your sound up for live, a couple of adjustments between the odd song, set it forget it and concentrate on the playing and performance, as long as it’s close enough to what you need, i find the tome perfectionists sometimes miss the point and I guess it depends on what kind of performer you are. I personally am not to keen on the self amusing player and prefer to serve the listeners. sorry I went of on a tangent there. Anyways that’s just my humble opinion , but hey, what the f do i know anyway. Thanks for all the fun videos guys it’s been really great during lockdown although it makes us all want to spend money. Oh an Pete is a fantastic player, i know he hears that a lot. I don’t know much about his playing history, do you still gig Pete? Thanks
I played along and wrote down which was which, I got them both right but preferred the Tone Master for both. Am I right in thinking that Lee described the real twin as sounding like something was broken when it was cranked?!! It did too.
Could I hear a difference? Yes, it was a pretty big difference. That being said I thought the TM sounded pretty darn good. The differences were more apparent on the twin to my ears. I bet if you spend a little time dialing the EQ you could've gotten them to sound even closer. Pretty cool idea if you ask me. Heck, I even thought the cab sim sounded decent. Very usable tones and took pedals great.
I was seriously impressed by the sound of these, especially the Deluxe tonemaster. But, they're cheaper than the original amplifier but they still ain't cheap though are they? I was expecting more around the £500-600 mark
Seen many of these comparisons from various people but this is without doubt one of the better ones out there.
The reverb for me was the giveaway on both the originals and made them immediately identifiable..... not saying that it was better, you can just clearly hear the spring oscillation on the origanl valve amps whereas the reverb on the Tone Masters is far smoother and 'digital' like....... If im honest I actually preferred the sound of both Tone Master amps over the originals........ May be shot for saying so but that's what my ears where telling me..... then add in all of the additional functionality and reliability and I'm defniately sold....
Convalescence reverb Lee??? Must be a new thing for rock stars going into rehab!!! :P
Seriously though these look and sound great. I really couldn't tell. They sound like the same amp but with a speaker change... and it's fantastic Fender has used the new tech but kept it simple!!! Awesome! :)
Yeah, I heard that, too... uhh... convolution, perhaps?
At my end both #1’s sounded darker.. Preferred both #’1s.. 🎸👍🐨
I have to agree. Warmer sounding. On the other hand, I have heard other video comparisons where the A-B sounds a lot closer.
Agree. Both #1s sounded warmer and richer.
For that price? No. Not to say they're not good - I'm all about the light weight and the power scaling, DI etc. (I use a pedalboard amp!). Just too expensive IMO.
Rob C Honestly, I was thinking the same. That’s really the only way they at all significantly missed the mark. Just like ONE price bracket cheaper, and these would’ve been basically inarguable.
I was also expecting something like half the price ... For that price, I will still go for something full valve ...
PS: I guessed right answer for the rigs in like 5 secs for both ... Not sayin that Tonemasters sounded bad or something. But they still miss something valve-y ...
@Ben Hackett This isn't new tech.
couldn't agree more. The price doesn't make it worth it.
I’m sorry, I can’t hear anything over the glory of Charcoal Frost Metallic 😎😍😍😍
Seriously, tho, I’m gonna rewatch parts of this on better speakers later, but they both sound good 🤷🏼♂️ They don’t sound identical, but they sound good, and the “bonus” features of the new series are SO useful and practical that I really feel like professional, gigging musicians probably SHOULD take this seriously. Good move, Fender 👍🏻
Great Demo guys.. Ive gone from Full M Stacks, half stacks to 2x12's, Jcm 800's & Jcm 2000's, 50w & 100w, to a lil fender 15w Super champ and its one of the best sounds i've ever had, esp when put thru the pa system and i've a bunch of other amp tone options to boot. Today is all about convenience & tone and i feel Fender has something here BIG TIME! if you have the look, the tone and its half the weight.. its gotta be worth a try surely. yes the price is pretty high right now, but if you ever lifted a twin, man its crazy and with most blues rock players being aged 40+.. this folks will be the future, other amp manufacturers will watch with interest and to me .. it looks bright for all
I couldn't say which was valve and which was digital. There was a more 'muffled' sound on two of the amps which could well just be down to the difference in speakers. Really hard to tell. These have come on in leaps and bounds since Mosfet and early digital amps where the difference was much clearer. And, to be honest, I think the cab sims offered some of the best sounds in the demo.
Clean, i was convinced with the deluxe, but as it went on it became obvious unfortunately
Emulate of the real? No.
Amazing sound amplifiers that sound like tube?
Yes, totally nailed it. I'm really impressed!
Yes, there was a definite difference between amp1 and amp2. Much more pronounced in Pete's setup than Lee's. Not sure whether it was the Tele vs the Strat or the 1x12 vs the 2x12. Could I hear which was which....nope. In Pete's case I preferred Amp1 as for Lee's, I couldn't make my mind up.....thanks Andertons, great comparison video.
I love the concept.. Pretty cool.. If Fender would do the same with a few choice tweeds...twin. Deluxe.. Bassman maybe. That'd be great and very interesting
I thought Lee's Amp 2 and Pete's Amp 1 sounded better. Assumed those were the tube versions. Was quite surprised!
My thoughts exactly !!!!
I preferred the ToneMaster models on both! No-brainer for me now.
Well I could tell immediately that they were different... but it took me a while to tell which was the digital. I got it right though and the reverb comparison was the confirmation... even before you told us.
I’m also gonna point out that the speaker difference has a huge impact on the sound too... I thought the DI was actually pretty impressive!
I really thought I had them sussed.. but got both wrong! Shocking.
Those guitars you guys are playing are beautiful! I love that tele Pete is playing
So yeah, ide say fender is safe from the far out days of tubeless amps. These sound great! They also just set a new pricing scale for digital replicas going forward for other manufacturers, but I get it. A twin should always be cherished. New challenge battle of the hybrids, next one, superchamp, Av30 ect...?
Great end jam guys and that grey Strat Lee, is the first relic that gets me. But the amps? Fender knocking it out of the park with original thinking. Leo would be so proud! BRILLIANT!
Guessed the difference in the twins, but the deluxe got me... great vid as always...
That's funny it was the other way around for me. i guessed the deluxe correct an was fooled by the twin
@@kaostheoryx which only goes to show that all the things being said are true - two people perceive differently and the wheel gets turning. Anyway those are cool amps - I liked them. However, I would buy the twin and knock myself out. How about you?
@@Badonkadonker For the modeling I would choose the Tone Master Twin I really like that sound. If I wanted to go with actual tubes I really liked the sound of the deluxe. But like with anything your mileage may very everyone has different tone and I'm sure that all of these amps can be tuned to something that would work.
@@kaostheoryx Amen to that. Totally agreed! ;)
Rock on, man!
I thought for sure the “real” twin was #1! It was brighter and more lively to me. Huh. The deluxe was harder to tell.
When Lee hit that first Deluxe cranked and it sounded like it was coming apart. Yeah, that's a real Deluxe.
I bought the Tone Master and am very happy with it for what I am doing. The attenuator and the direct out are worth a lot to me in my situation.
Was really impressed with the amps, once they were cranked and high levels of gain they weren't quite as good. The speaker sim really sounded good too. They're a bit more expensive than I'd hope, but I guess it's a new design, and we'll built. I'd certainly consider the deluxe for the second amp in a wet dry rig if the price comes down a little more
I’m all in! Great work! I have a collection of vintage Fender amps of every size but this is exciting.
Amps sound great and the Jam at the end is just amazing. Totally in love with your playing and great performance from both of you guys
I bought the TM Twin Reverb. I have 13 amps most of which are tube/valve types. This has been my best purchase decision ever. Now we need a blind fold shoot out with Chappers. Two of the real thing for each model and a TM of each type. This would allow for the small differences between any two amps of the same type.
I guessed 1 vs. 2 correctly in both cases. But, the Tone Master Twin sounded better to me (than did the tube version)
on the loud overdrive. Wow.
Pete's tele at the beginning, hands down the most beautiful I've ever seen.
Fender has stepped up their game as of late. The new guitar line and now these amps. Hope run!
I think I'm in a fair position to give my thoughts on these amps. A while back, an Andertons video sold me on a 2016 limited telecaster (ice blue metallic). Although I missed the boat on the clearance, I did scoop one up used for $850!! and let me tell you, I now measure anything else I play against that guitar. I have been playing through a 1965 fender champ, but wanted something I could control a bit more. I found a USED tonemaster deluxe from guitar center for $699. It still had the cardboard feature list on top. Being as new as they were, I knew it couldn't have been used much, and it looked new. This amp is amazing! It's just simple, and sounds wonderful. I can't get over how good this combination sounds, and can play for hours. Did just that tonight on the porch with a few beers. If I had to buy another, I would without hesitation.
Wow to me the TM Twin sounds better than the real thing.
Yeah especially with the Strat
I'm embarrassed to say that I preferred the TM versions of both amps.....
12 minutes in, I prefer both #1s.
Agreed
So you prefer the tube deluxe and the transistor twin
For the deluxe, 1 def sounded better to me. Think it had more tube harmonic things going on. For the twin, I went back and forth. Think I liked 1 better, but later in the video the tonemaster twin sounds so good. I doubt I could tell the diff in real life.
Yeah, outro jam on the tonemaster twin sounds incredible. Maybe it's because real twins are so finnicky in real life to get them dialed in. The tonemaster one seems to sound great at lots of diff settings.
Same. Eyebrow raising moment.
I really like them. I just cant for the life of me figure out why they're charging that much for them.
Why would they charge any less? They sunk a ton of time and R&D into these
Cheaper than a Quilter Steelaire Combo
you answered your own question with your opening line: Ireally like them, as for me , I dont like them at all, I like Peavey Bandit Transtube 112s ( the newr models, not the red stripes...), at least twice the power and clarity, tubelike breakage if wanted, half the price, and the deal breaker for me: pedal friendly; Ive read that the tonemasters dont like pedals at all ( no wonder built singlemodel led...!), cheers, K : )
@@kimmolingonheimo I have the tonemaster deluxe and it takes pedals extremely well actually. It's a fantastic amp.👍😎
Remember these are brand new, and currently quite unique... I'd expect the prices to come down as more amps get added to the lineup and other brands jump on the bandwagon.
2022: Excellent as always. I love the collaboration between the two of you guys and hearing you both play. I really thought that both #2 amps were the tone master amps during the demonstration. I recently bought the twin tone master and I love it. I am thinking of changing out one of the 12" speakers with the Celestion G12 Neo Creamback speaker for a nice mix/blend of sounds. I've heard of someone on youtube doing this and he is very satisfied with the results. Thanks again.
12:48 the noise that came out of lee was extraordinary
Capt 1 and Pete 2. They seemed to rumble a bit and i like that. Digital often cuts a bit sharper in my experience. I use a 2 amp set up with a digital and a tube together and it serves my needs and fills the gaps. Nice vid.
I see a lot of remarks of the price. I’m not sure I agree. Half the weight is a huge selling point to me. Not having to worry about changing or carrying spare tubes is also a great feature. And the attenuation and speaker sims... It seems to me like you get the same sound and look and an amp that’s three times as good considering the new features. Perhaps it should be double the price of these heavy, loud as hell originals ;)
@ Probably! On the bright side that might lead them to also be able to develop an equally good replication of the Bassman!
I could tell which one's were the tube amps during the demo, but the differences were not dramatic. I love the idea of single amp emulation, rather than the typical "everything but the kitchen sink" version of modeling. The cab emulation would be great in a studio context for direct recording.
Lee has become an amazing player (Pete always has been). You know, there's a pub next door. I would love to see a video of an Anderton's night with current and alumni players.
Have you seen their project band the Andertones?
I really hope Marshall comes out with something similar. These are great amps. I've used both for gigs. Both were borrowed.
Reveal at 29:00 for those trying to find it
THANK YOU!
So 2 was the tube one? Crap , I picked 2 out on everything as being less stale digital feeling... I was hoping I'd be wrong and that would be the tone master
@@TheVigilantStewards Lee's #2 was digital. Pete's digital was #1
Coming back to this video because I'm debating getting one of these. I really want a 65 Princeton Reverb however I live in an apartment and I can't get very loud and the fact that these seem to be the only fender amplifiers that have built-in power attenuation kind of annoys me.You would think power attenuation would be the standard in 2019 for all amplifier manufacturers.I really can't tell much difference between these and the original versions but the lightweight and the power scaling definitely has my attention however like many have said I feel like these are priced too high for what they are.
I bought one and I can say they are worth every penny. A pine cab and high quality speaker on their own would run you 400 dollars at least. Add in the direct out and the attenuator plus all of the R&D that went into these for three years and the price is pretty on point.
@@superbford I suppose I think they're going to be more attractive on the used market in a couple months I did actually play one today and anyone that says they can tell the difference is a cork sniffer they are dead on accurate to the original The only way I could see anyone being able to tell the difference is in the reverb but the amp tone itself is dead on
*Convolution reverb.
Excellent Andertons demo, as always!
I’ve had zero interest in digital amps due to the option paralysis that typically comes with them but this seems like a bit of a game changer in a marketplace that still loves traditional designs
I liked both "amps #1" from beginning until the end.
something tells me thats the the tube amp, amp 2 is just a TINY bit too.... brittle/treble/clear?
Totally played that strat the Cap is on when I was at Anderton’s a few weeks ago. Really nice one there!
Trevor Twigg I bought it! It’s still sitting there waiting for the CITES regulations to change. Then it comes home
Great vid guys . Happily surprised how it sounds alongside the real deal. 👍
I guessed both amplifiers correctly! But I have to say, as an apartment dwelling parent, the digital amp with DI and cabsim is a home recording dream come true. I haven’t yet heard a digital amplifier try to mimic a full valve amplifier and succeed like this. I can’t wait to try this for myself!
I’d argue that *not* having multiple models in the same box is a huge Achilles heel; particularly for the prices they’re asking.
What Fender should have done was build two ‘shells’ - a 1 x 12 and 2 x 12 - and offered at least four or five different legacy models within each, aimed at the same price bracket as the Boss Nextone.
JazzzRockFuzion true the nextone is very good imo slightly better than the already very good katana, these sound good but I think they are maybe 1-200ish too expensive, they really only seem like a buy if you have to have a DR or Twin & a pedal isn’t good enough?
Thanks for the video on this! This really clarifies that I can save a lot of money for little, if any, tone noticeable difference between a digital model amp and a tube amplifier. I love tube amps but for home practice, the digital tube amps gives you such more better options with the built in attenuation. Plus, I can use the extra money towards other items.
I don't get why people complain about the price tags. I think they're perfectly reasonable.
The only people who complain are people who don't work for money
@@forevernow9459 Surely the opposite no?
EntertainmentCity wtf lol nah i just bought boss katana 100 cause its literally like 1/3 of the price and not that much tone difference to someone looking for a backup amp
For the DR, I liked #2 throughout. I bought the Blonde version and love it. Thanks Andertons!
I hope this is a sign of things to come!
Wow, Fender nailed it. I literally can’t tell that much of a difference
Hmm. The Deluxe I got, and preferred the real thing. The Twin, I went back and forth and ended up liking the fake a little better. Weird.
Me too! I reckon the engineers were reluctant to reproduce that last degree of "ice pick" highs on the Tonemaster Twin, so it sounds better than the real thing.
Deluxe Reverbs have always been a troublesome amp including the reissue handwired. I’ve had mine for one year and it has been in the shop four times. I’m ready for something more reliable!
I was digging through some old forums about the DR and Twin. Comment after comment.... too loud or too heavy. Many wanted to buy the twin, but it was... too loud or too heavy, so they “compromised” with the DR. And yes, many prefer the DR.
This line of amps “fixes” both of those complaints that come up over and over and over again. And apparently you don’t really need to compromise tone to do it. Sure the price is high (for now), but given these amps solve the two most common complaints levied against their namesake, I predict many gigging musicians who like the sound of these amps will jump ship from the real deal.
For those who got the DR who really would have preferred to get the Twin, but found it just too heavy and loud. It’s your lucky day. Now you can get your twin and eat it too.
Just played one at Summer NAMM.
Sounds good and is very lightweight!
Yeah, got a bit excited there. Decent simulation of a Twin, yes please... ahhhh but not at that price.
Check them in sweetwater, there are much cheaper!
Guajolote Gonzales not when I import it into the UK it won’t be.
What might not be obvious is how much _actual_ tube Deluxes and Twins differ from one another. Line up a bunch of new production DRRIs and TRRIs (or even more, vintage Blackfaces), and there will be noticeable differences in tone and volume. Not major, but they are there in an A/B test. These differences are a given because of the way components are made (pots, caps, resistors, transformers, speakers). Well, you could avoid the differences by cherry-picking components, but that would make the tube amps even more expensive. So yeah, there are gonna be differences between the ToneMaster and a given tube counterpart, probably. But there will be differences between multiple samples of the tube amp, too. Just the nature of the beast!
Clean it’s OK, but when you try to hit digital A/D converter with your favorite drive or fuzz it’s still not the same as tube...
Many current sound engineers want a clean tone and they add the effects digitally in their software and there is not a mass protest against it.
@@orlock20 ... and the sound engineers of Fender know about this weakness. If you use a 24bit audio AD converter and leave enough head roomit will not clip with pedals. It should be fine in all use cases. Didn't calculate it, just a guess. But 24bit converter have a range of >120dB (in theory even upto 144dB). Should be fine to cope with the complete expected input signal range +3-6dB head room as safety margin.
Except you drive it with a tone generator and signals you would never get with pedals.
@@orlock20 I do the same thang! People try to do things the old way which kills engineers lol
@Rusty Undercarriage that's than a different story. this does not due to the input range. touch sensitivity might be but very unlikely as the dynamic range of 24 bit with a carefully designed input op amp stage will capture lowest level and higher level signals as needed.
The distortion sound is a matter of improving the models. As more powerful the DSPs are as better you can get your algorithms. That's what we see in the last years. they started ok and now they are getting closer and closer to the originals.
At one point the remaining factor in opinion is belief not facts. We are not there yet...
But as the old designs varied a lot due to hand wiring, part tolerances etc. it's hard to get "the" Twin or "the" Delux.
Double blind test would be great. Neither the test leader nor the tester should know what they are testing. In addition you should test 5-10 of each amps per blind test to avoid that coincidence overlays the test result. But all that would remove the fun of this videos.
We are watching them for fun and like to discuss the results. The are not scientific test and that's what I like.
Love this channel since nearly the beginning of it!
@Rusty Undercarriage The golden ear argument is never disprovable even with best mess equipment, medical finding related to audio engineering theory and physics. Thus I'm out of the thread.
The Captns tone and licks very tasteful and cool. The both compliment each other!
Convalescence reverb? As in, “I hope your reverb has a rapid convalescence.” ? I believe you meant, “convolution”. 👍🏼
I have a Fender Champion 100 2x12 solid state with Amp models and effects and an fx loop. Best and LOUDEST amp I've ever had, only weighs 40 lbs and cost less than 500 dollars Canadian. It's got 2 channels, 1 is just your basic 65' Twin, nice and clean, LOTS of headroom. plus effects. 2 is where you get different amp. The fenders are awesome, that reverb is there. and a 5150 is there, so as Ola would say. You Can Chug. lol. Great Amp.
Put it on your bike lol I remember cycling to rehearsals with my guitar on my back and my Peavey bandit 75 on my handle bars
You guys rock! To my ear they sound every bit as good as their "real" siblings. That deluxe is well worth $899 IMHO...
Impressive. I guessed incorrectly as I can imagine lots of people did.
Captain is much much improved in his guitar playing of late. Love it!