Fender Tone Master Amps - Digital Versions Of Real Tube Amps - Can You Spot Which is Which??
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Fender has taken a giant leap into the world of amp modelling with its Tone Master combos. Although they might look like traditional Deluxe and Twin Reverb amplifiers, the Tone Masters are actually completely valve-less! Instead, they rely on their massive digital processing power to convincingly emulate the tone and response of their tube-powered counterparts.
Featuring a powerful 100W solid-state power amp, the engulfing headroom that the valve-driven Deluxe Reverb is known for is faithfully recreated with incredible precision. And with the pronounced sparkle and clarity of a single Jensen N-12K neodymium speaker, fitted within a resonant pine cabinet - the result is tubeless Deluxe Reverb tone, volume and dynamics that are virtually indistinguishable from the all-tube original.
Even with all of these premium features, the Tone Master Deluxe Reverb weighs about only half as much as an all-tube Deluxe. So not only will the Tone Master's valve-less design ensure better reliability, but its feather-light weight also makes it extremely portable for rehearsals and gigs!
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The day Pete puts together an online guitar course is the day I sign up for it. You never feel like he’s trying to show off, whether on electric or acoustic. He just tries to play something that showcases the guitar or amp in question. And he always looks like he’s having a great time. Definitely one of my favourite players. Period.
Peter is so well rounded... Tastefull playing. never "showing" off ... And Lee's outro was some of the best i heard from him..
Start transcribing one measure at a time. Transpose and sing.
Same here ... his playing is so tasty. Loving the fun he has while he's playing. Always smiling ...
Focus on practising instead of praising if you want to learn playing guitar
Regarding the comments saying the amps don't sound the same, we completely agree, but I don't think that's the point we were trying to to make in this video. The question we were trying to pose in this video, was that when you just hear those two amps side by side, can you absolutely say which one is valve & which is digital?? Both Pete & I did struggle at some points to say for sure which was valve & which was digital!
Andertons Music Co I think my biggest takeaway was asking myself, “If I’m comparing these two, is it worth the extra money for the valve amp when this new digital model meets my needs for much less money?” Some people have space for a Twin as want to gig with a Twin. But these new ones fit the perfect niche for me, and that’s okay. Great video review!
Weren't the badges on the TM's a giveaway?
@@clarencevickrot3531 No.
You agree they don’t sound the same...but you couldn’t tell the difference??? 🤨
I don't know if I could tell the difference in-room, but at least in the recording, I correctly identified all 4 amps.
That said, if you picked one, on its own, and played it... I'd never know whether it was digital or valve. Context is important to win youtube games, probably not as important for recording music.
I preferred both Tonemasters in a blind test. Man. What do I think?
Whoa! Me too. I'm actually freaked out about it.
@@JimmyWatfordGuitar oí i96i
same here, sick
When I gig I have to use solid state amps due to the weight as I have arthritis and artificial knees. Even swapped my katana 100 twin for a single 12 as it is much lighter. All my valve amps stay at home. These amps would sort that problem without losing tone. Well done Fender brilliant product.
Is the 112 Katana as loud as the 212? Is there much tonal difference between the two?
@@bobbyruggs808 the 212 is louder
In nearly all cases I preferred the tone of amp 1 on both sides.... paused at 13:55 to write this- waiting for the reveal. OK, edit time- cab sims sound FANTASTIC to my ears so far... I think I like the cab sim tones best! Finally the reveal- I liked the real Deluxe but much preferred the Tone Master Twin. The ears don't lie!
Rob has a good set of ears. I feel there's a blindfold test coming ... Can Chappers smell tubes?
He has good ears within the specific range of "extreme high gain with boiling hot bridge puckup"
@@kbcarroll Chappers ability to determine the make and model of guitars while blindfolded is uncanny. It's far beyond the norm. Don't hate. I'll listen to his opinion on these things all day long. I love Pete and I love Lee but after they reviewed the Fender GT and gave a nice positive response to it, I'll never listen to another word they say on a Fender product. I just won't.
Chappers wasnt in this video. That was Danish Pete with Captain Lee.
You don't need rob to hear the difference between them. Frankly I almost always prefered one to another without knowing which was which, usually 2 was darker and more compressed. Sometimes it was better sometimes worse. ALmost always I never really liked each sample THAT much lol.
As far as "devoting all that power to just amp modelling" that is bs. Digitech did it as well, for some time now (for example the digital pedals of theirs had the same DNA chip with their whole multi fx line, only did digital). They can cheap out on cpu by not having math worthy IR digital convolution in there. I am betting that their chip can't load amp model-IR-high definition reverb at the same time.
HK had the zentera doing sharc on two V30s for some time now.
Whatever the digital emulators do they cannot replicate the natural negative feedback loop that is voltage created from the speaker magnet going back to the power amp...They can't because it's a physical thing. Whatever they do, their signal ends up on a real speaker in these amps so...
Final Frontier 😂😂😂
Ok I just bought a Tone Master deluxe reverb and I love it. It sounds great. Its a keeper.
I almost never chime in on these kinds of things but just gonna put it out there FWIW...1, the Deluxe TM sounded incredible! 2, I honestly dont care if it doesn't sound exactly the same the tone on both the digital versions was really useable 3, These would be great backup amps or if you are doing stereo or wet dry stuff it'd be really affordable to get two. 4, no one in the crowd cares about tube vs digital vs analog solid state they care if you can play Wagon Wheel and Mustang Sally. For someone like me who can't always get the gear I want due to cost both of these amps offer great tone at a reasonable price and are pretty versatile. If you can afford a handwired all tube Twin and you're cool lugging 85 pounds of amp around, go for it and rock out. If not, these are really cool. I love some of the new tech coming out for guitar players.
I have a "real" Twin Reverb (which, of course, I love to bits) and I am seriously intrigued by these. For me, it's the weight issue, first and foremost, that has made me think about these new ones. My back isn't the best, to put it that way, and lugging that beast of an amp 'round to gigs isn't much fun. Haven't seen or tried one for myself yet, but I will.
These are cool amps.The DI out, Attentuator, and Cab sim make this a really cool alternative to a real tube amp. It's perfect for home players that want the tone of Fender but need volume and home recording features not available in traditional amps.
Convalescence reverb Lee??? Must be a new thing for rock stars going into rehab!!! :P
Seriously though these look and sound great. I really couldn't tell. They sound like the same amp but with a speaker change... and it's fantastic Fender has used the new tech but kept it simple!!! Awesome! :)
Yeah, I heard that, too... uhh... convolution, perhaps?
Peter's loops are just pure bliss, really great demo and playing guys!
haha
Its about time that digital amps didn't try to be everything, but concentrated on being just one thing and trying to do it as best they can.
Fender are a brand who have have finally cottoned onto this. Okay, for once got to the end of a review and would for once happily use either the real amp or the particular class D. Each sounded different, but both had half decent tone.
Only issue for me is that although the Tone Master version was half the price of the real thing, it was still twice the price I would be prepared to pay if I had the money.
Paul Summerside thanks for sharing, what would you get for half the price then? And which amp in your opinion has a full decent tone? Cheers
@@dominicborg5638 probably nothing. People expect so much for do little these days. They don't know what it's like running a business and trying to make money. Especially when you have other companies competting against you
@@forevernow9459 exactly when pro players cant tell difference between tube or digital amp in terms of sound that tells you how far the tech and fender have come, so many idiots on here who want top class tech to be given away if ya cant afford the best perhaps digital amp on market (this price range) go buy a shitty cheaper sounding amp and tell everyone it the bees knees whatever makes them happy.
I personslly own a fender mustang III amp it digital came out a decade ago or so ago, at a fender press release party (public expo) Eric Clapton was left stunned (stunned was the actual qoute from Eric's mouth) when he was told it was a digital amp not a valve amp so impressive enough for Clapton it impressive enough for me too much snobbery especially on social media these days, this 12 or 13 year old digital amp cost me 299 and it 100 watts of output so you want cheap alternatives there ya go champ.
@@deluxeedition46 They were making a big deal out of how close they were but I thought it was pretty easy to tell which amp was the solid state and which was the tube amp.
@@roberttambuscio1061 yea i not disagree with you just saying they come along way and have good features for price points, just cool to know even legendary muscians have to listen pretty intently to work out it Tube amp or not tells me the "Tech" doing its job
12 minutes in, I prefer both #1s.
Agreed
So you prefer the tube deluxe and the transistor twin
For the deluxe, 1 def sounded better to me. Think it had more tube harmonic things going on. For the twin, I went back and forth. Think I liked 1 better, but later in the video the tonemaster twin sounds so good. I doubt I could tell the diff in real life.
Yeah, outro jam on the tonemaster twin sounds incredible. Maybe it's because real twins are so finnicky in real life to get them dialed in. The tonemaster one seems to sound great at lots of diff settings.
Same. Eyebrow raising moment.
Bought a Tone Master Twin a couple of weeks ago after A/Bing it against an RI for 2 hours. I have a lot of amps, most of them tube(valve). The Tone Master is my new number 1.
Now I'm convinced I need one
I really like them. I just cant for the life of me figure out why they're charging that much for them.
Why would they charge any less? They sunk a ton of time and R&D into these
Cheaper than a Quilter Steelaire Combo
you answered your own question with your opening line: Ireally like them, as for me , I dont like them at all, I like Peavey Bandit Transtube 112s ( the newr models, not the red stripes...), at least twice the power and clarity, tubelike breakage if wanted, half the price, and the deal breaker for me: pedal friendly; Ive read that the tonemasters dont like pedals at all ( no wonder built singlemodel led...!), cheers, K : )
@@kimmolingonheimo I have the tonemaster deluxe and it takes pedals extremely well actually. It's a fantastic amp.👍😎
Remember these are brand new, and currently quite unique... I'd expect the prices to come down as more amps get added to the lineup and other brands jump on the bandwagon.
I really thought I had them sussed.. but got both wrong! Shocking.
For that price? No. Not to say they're not good - I'm all about the light weight and the power scaling, DI etc. (I use a pedalboard amp!). Just too expensive IMO.
Rob C Honestly, I was thinking the same. That’s really the only way they at all significantly missed the mark. Just like ONE price bracket cheaper, and these would’ve been basically inarguable.
I was also expecting something like half the price ... For that price, I will still go for something full valve ...
PS: I guessed right answer for the rigs in like 5 secs for both ... Not sayin that Tonemasters sounded bad or something. But they still miss something valve-y ...
@Ben Hackett This isn't new tech.
couldn't agree more. The price doesn't make it worth it.
I love the concept.. Pretty cool.. If Fender would do the same with a few choice tweeds...twin. Deluxe.. Bassman maybe. That'd be great and very interesting
I went into this video listening for which ones I liked better instead of which one was the tube or not. Threw me through a loop because I like the Tone Masters on both a little better. They all sounded great though.
The tonemasters are modeled after '65 versions of the same amps. Not modeled after the reproduction, valve versions used in this video. I got to hear them in person today, and they were genuinely two of the greatest sounding amplifiers I have ever heard in my life, valve or solid state/digital. I got to pick them up too, and they were both tons lighter than my Vibrolux. I see tons of people complaining about the price, but to my ear, these amplifiers are just as good as the valve versions, to me, but lighter, never require tube replacements, and they are cheaper. I am so low on cash right now it is not even funny, but I will absolutely buy one.
Jesse Perkins Great insight, thank you. I’m really leaning towards one of these.
I love this, I chose the valve deluxe and the Tonemaster Twin.
I thought for sure the “real” twin was #1! It was brighter and more lively to me. Huh. The deluxe was harder to tell.
Not to say that these aren't good amps I'm sure they are but no one's going to pay $1,000 for a non tube amp and there's a reason for that. The problem is when you use effects pedals especially drive and distortion pedals they don't react the same way with solid-state amplification. They're supposed to 'drive your tubes' how can they do that with no tubes-so the drive and distortion winds up sounding like crap through these types of amplifiers. IMO of course.
Why not just buy a Fender Champion 100 cheap on eBay and use the clean Channel? You'd be getting the same thing and saving roughly $900.
The thing is. Modeled amps (when this good) will always sound “perfect” because they are modeled after perfect examples of the stated amp. This is great, because it will always sound the way it’s intended; Additionally, you won’t get tube rattle or weird hum or dampened springs. But. Sometimes it’s those amp differences, those issues, that make the amp unique... the way they age... YET, doesn’t mean they won’t / can’t release updates with an app that let you tweak / age elements. Hmmm. Seriously considering the Deluxe.
The looks these two share tell volumes. 😐🙄
The cab emulators sound awesome! I was really surprised by that.
I guessed both wrong based on what i thought sounded best. That was my guess for the valve amps. Crazy.
But if you played them, I bet you'll feel a difference.
I tried the Deluxe tone master the other day and was blown away. I have a blackface deluxe and having just had it serviced, I'm ready for something lighter and that doesn't need servicing. This would also do away with the worry of something going wrong with a valve at a gig. I think I'm sold! They have nailed the tone and it looks like a proper amp rather than a modern digital one with flashing lights.
Hmm. The Deluxe I got, and preferred the real thing. The Twin, I went back and forth and ended up liking the fake a little better. Weird.
Me too! I reckon the engineers were reluctant to reproduce that last degree of "ice pick" highs on the Tonemaster Twin, so it sounds better than the real thing.
Could I hear a difference? Yes, it was a pretty big difference. That being said I thought the TM sounded pretty darn good. The differences were more apparent on the twin to my ears. I bet if you spend a little time dialing the EQ you could've gotten them to sound even closer. Pretty cool idea if you ask me. Heck, I even thought the cab sim sounded decent. Very usable tones and took pedals great.
I preferred the ToneMaster models on both! No-brainer for me now.
The reverb for me was the giveaway on both the originals and made them immediately identifiable..... not saying that it was better, you can just clearly hear the spring oscillation on the origanl valve amps whereas the reverb on the Tone Masters is far smoother and 'digital' like....... If im honest I actually preferred the sound of both Tone Master amps over the originals........ May be shot for saying so but that's what my ears where telling me..... then add in all of the additional functionality and reliability and I'm defniately sold....
Both cases I like the digital one best. Nice!
Emulate of the real? No.
Amazing sound amplifiers that sound like tube?
Yes, totally nailed it. I'm really impressed!
It's a good product, but *way overpriced.* If it were, say, 1.5 to 2 times the cost of a Mustang, I'd say fair play to Fender. But over half the cost of a real tube amp, yer havin a larf. Same with the Boss Nextone. Sounds good but the price just isn't justified.
*And btw, I picked the modelling amps from the way they took pedals, and how they sounded on 10 (though I use a Deluxe, so that last one might not be fair).
Same price as a SuperSonic.
GUITAR OCD A Fender Supersonic?? Where?
If you're asking me the price of a supersonic. Sweetwater $1,000.
When Lee hit that first Deluxe cranked and it sounded like it was coming apart. Yeah, that's a real Deluxe.
They run different speakers so I think that’s got a big impact on the slight difference in tone. I reckon you could get them sounding even closer by putting the same speakers in them.
Lee no. 2
Pete no. 1
But I don’t know what I’m choosing. There are my favourites
xxnonstopdancingxx same
Felt the same.
xxnonstopdancingxx same herecman i want to se whitch one i choose
Same, could have sworn there was more going on tonally with Lee's no2 amp, and it was just the cranked sound of the no2 twin that put me off a little.
Vaiyen nope. I preferred the new non tube versions it seems. I own three tube amps (blackstar orange and fender) and two solids states (Marshall 250 and a kustom 100). This was interesting
This video needed the cyborg ears of Old Chappers
I’m sorry, I can’t hear anything over the glory of Charcoal Frost Metallic 😎😍😍😍
Seriously, tho, I’m gonna rewatch parts of this on better speakers later, but they both sound good 🤷🏼♂️ They don’t sound identical, but they sound good, and the “bonus” features of the new series are SO useful and practical that I really feel like professional, gigging musicians probably SHOULD take this seriously. Good move, Fender 👍🏻
Been using TM Deluxe Reverb for a year now and absolutely LOVE it. Love the attenuator control in the back! I just wish it had a jack for external speaker cabinet. ‼️😎🎸😍🎼🎶 only 23 pounds!!
I don't get why people complain about the price tags. I think they're perfectly reasonable.
The only people who complain are people who don't work for money
@@forevernow9459 Surely the opposite no?
EntertainmentCity wtf lol nah i just bought boss katana 100 cause its literally like 1/3 of the price and not that much tone difference to someone looking for a backup amp
I own a deluxe Reverb, have used it for years and its a great amp.. bought this Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb and gotta say "its going back" I normally don't buy without auditioning the amp at the store but I did and regret It.. the Tone Master has good sounds no doubt but come on, its reverb is terrible past "2" and the amp past 5 is a mess as well Im not a tube "snob" but this amp does not stand up to a tube Deluxe.. its still a digital model amp. The pedals I used just didn't sound the same either..Not impressed with this amp.. 😊
I'm with this guy
There is a software update now.
I guessed 1 vs. 2 correctly in both cases. But, the Tone Master Twin sounded better to me (than did the tube version)
on the loud overdrive. Wow.
I see a lot of remarks of the price. I’m not sure I agree. Half the weight is a huge selling point to me. Not having to worry about changing or carrying spare tubes is also a great feature. And the attenuation and speaker sims... It seems to me like you get the same sound and look and an amp that’s three times as good considering the new features. Perhaps it should be double the price of these heavy, loud as hell originals ;)
@Ivana Notyers Probably! On the bright side that might lead them to also be able to develop an equally good replication of the Bassman!
Convalescence reverb? As in, “I hope your reverb has a rapid convalescence.” ? I believe you meant, “convolution”. 👍🏼
It's the same price as the supersonic. Why wouldn't you buy a supersonic.
Guitar Ocd supersonic has a tone of issues, I bought one and returned it cause it had a really loud hum and I’m looking into buying one of these now
the fake delux sounded like shit,,,,However the Fake twin was very very good!!
Very expensive for digital amps. I mean, they sound nice on cleans, but you could totally tell the difference with a drive pedal...you could hear that typical digi fuzz
That strat looks like someones dog has chewed it.
Wow to me the TM Twin sounds better than the real thing.
Yeah especially with the Strat
I'm embarrassed to say that I preferred the TM versions of both amps.....
At my end both #1’s sounded darker.. Preferred both #’1s.. 🎸👍🐨
I have to agree. Warmer sounding. On the other hand, I have heard other video comparisons where the A-B sounds a lot closer.
Agree. Both #1s sounded warmer and richer.
Clean it’s OK, but when you try to hit digital A/D converter with your favorite drive or fuzz it’s still not the same as tube...
Many current sound engineers want a clean tone and they add the effects digitally in their software and there is not a mass protest against it.
@@orlock20 ... and the sound engineers of Fender know about this weakness. If you use a 24bit audio AD converter and leave enough head roomit will not clip with pedals. It should be fine in all use cases. Didn't calculate it, just a guess. But 24bit converter have a range of >120dB (in theory even upto 144dB). Should be fine to cope with the complete expected input signal range +3-6dB head room as safety margin.
Except you drive it with a tone generator and signals you would never get with pedals.
@@orlock20 I do the same thang! People try to do things the old way which kills engineers lol
@Rusty Undercarriage that's than a different story. this does not due to the input range. touch sensitivity might be but very unlikely as the dynamic range of 24 bit with a carefully designed input op amp stage will capture lowest level and higher level signals as needed.
The distortion sound is a matter of improving the models. As more powerful the DSPs are as better you can get your algorithms. That's what we see in the last years. they started ok and now they are getting closer and closer to the originals.
At one point the remaining factor in opinion is belief not facts. We are not there yet...
But as the old designs varied a lot due to hand wiring, part tolerances etc. it's hard to get "the" Twin or "the" Delux.
Double blind test would be great. Neither the test leader nor the tester should know what they are testing. In addition you should test 5-10 of each amps per blind test to avoid that coincidence overlays the test result. But all that would remove the fun of this videos.
We are watching them for fun and like to discuss the results. The are not scientific test and that's what I like.
Love this channel since nearly the beginning of it!
@Rusty Undercarriage The golden ear argument is never disprovable even with best mess equipment, medical finding related to audio engineering theory and physics. Thus I'm out of the thread.
Always thought "the reverb test" was to kick the amp and listen for the cacophony.
30:37 “he’s so beautiful” captain loves Danish Pete...of course we all do.
I was digging through some old forums about the DR and Twin. Comment after comment.... too loud or too heavy. Many wanted to buy the twin, but it was... too loud or too heavy, so they “compromised” with the DR. And yes, many prefer the DR.
This line of amps “fixes” both of those complaints that come up over and over and over again. And apparently you don’t really need to compromise tone to do it. Sure the price is high (for now), but given these amps solve the two most common complaints levied against their namesake, I predict many gigging musicians who like the sound of these amps will jump ship from the real deal.
For those who got the DR who really would have preferred to get the Twin, but found it just too heavy and loud. It’s your lucky day. Now you can get your twin and eat it too.
I played along and wrote down which was which, I got them both right but preferred the Tone Master for both. Am I right in thinking that Lee described the real twin as sounding like something was broken when it was cranked?!! It did too.
Lee has become an amazing player (Pete always has been). You know, there's a pub next door. I would love to see a video of an Anderton's night with current and alumni players.
Have you seen their project band the Andertones?
I thought Lee's Amp 2 and Pete's Amp 1 sounded better. Assumed those were the tube versions. Was quite surprised!
My thoughts exactly !!!!
So yeah, ide say fender is safe from the far out days of tubeless amps. These sound great! They also just set a new pricing scale for digital replicas going forward for other manufacturers, but I get it. A twin should always be cherished. New challenge battle of the hybrids, next one, superchamp, Av30 ect...?
Yeah, got a bit excited there. Decent simulation of a Twin, yes please... ahhhh but not at that price.
Check them in sweetwater, there are much cheaper!
Guajolote Gonzales not when I import it into the UK it won’t be.
When did the price of the '65 Deluxe go up above a grand? I'm sure they were £999 not long ago. You can get them in the US for $1,000.
Put it on your bike lol I remember cycling to rehearsals with my guitar on my back and my Peavey bandit 75 on my handle bars
Still learning the ins & outs of my Twin Tone Master, after a few months. I love the amp but, there are things to consider. They aren’t great amps for pedals, if you push the vol up into breakup, pedals can cause the circuit to do weird things. The Tone Master has a boost in the upper frequencies that can be annoying but.... I accidentally found a solution. I have an 80’s MXR Distortion+ that does not have True Bypass. I leave the pedal off & I filters off a lot of that high end. The amazing part of these amps is that they are so versatile & you do feel like you are sitting in front of a twin.
I couldn't say which was valve and which was digital. There was a more 'muffled' sound on two of the amps which could well just be down to the difference in speakers. Really hard to tell. These have come on in leaps and bounds since Mosfet and early digital amps where the difference was much clearer. And, to be honest, I think the cab sims offered some of the best sounds in the demo.
I would have been a buyer at $500.
Was really impressed with the amps, once they were cranked and high levels of gain they weren't quite as good. The speaker sim really sounded good too. They're a bit more expensive than I'd hope, but I guess it's a new design, and we'll built. I'd certainly consider the deluxe for the second amp in a wet dry rig if the price comes down a little more
Cool. I liked the tone master on both the best. Honestly. Great work fender
Guessed the difference in the twins, but the deluxe got me... great vid as always...
That's funny it was the other way around for me. i guessed the deluxe correct an was fooled by the twin
@@kaostheoryx which only goes to show that all the things being said are true - two people perceive differently and the wheel gets turning. Anyway those are cool amps - I liked them. However, I would buy the twin and knock myself out. How about you?
@@Badonkadonker For the modeling I would choose the Tone Master Twin I really like that sound. If I wanted to go with actual tubes I really liked the sound of the deluxe. But like with anything your mileage may very everyone has different tone and I'm sure that all of these amps can be tuned to something that would work.
@@kaostheoryx Amen to that. Totally agreed! ;)
Rock on, man!
What might not be obvious is how much _actual_ tube Deluxes and Twins differ from one another. Line up a bunch of new production DRRIs and TRRIs (or even more, vintage Blackfaces), and there will be noticeable differences in tone and volume. Not major, but they are there in an A/B test. These differences are a given because of the way components are made (pots, caps, resistors, transformers, speakers). Well, you could avoid the differences by cherry-picking components, but that would make the tube amps even more expensive. So yeah, there are gonna be differences between the ToneMaster and a given tube counterpart, probably. But there will be differences between multiple samples of the tube amp, too. Just the nature of the beast!
Why do companies doing relics dig in with a screwdriver in places your hands never go? I have one guitar that has started to show wear...it’s right where my forearm crosses the the body and where my pick actually touches above and below the strings. Looks silly.
Lol I was thinking the same. If you’re going to spend a premium on a relic guitar you at least want it to look legit.
yeeeh got both right. Actually these are absolutely great products! They sound great, even the cab simulations sounded great (to me at least, over headphones), are very lightweight, are way more reliable and you could attenuate them... Oh and about the price:
Its a premium product. Its a proper sounding product and there is loads of innovation in it, I would even go so far as to say that they would even be worth it if they were priced the same as their tube brothers. Fantastic work here fender!
Wow, I was wrong on both...thought the ToneBastard was the real deal .😕
The twin tone master was head and solders better then the "real" twin, I would argue objectively better! On a few of the side by sides, the tube twin sounded awful (muddled and muffled) next to the tone master.
Literally no one: ..........
Peter Honoré: Let me cue you with an intricate rhythm pattern!
I love the idea but I guessed the difference and in the room I have a feeling it will be even more apparent. I like to use a tube power section and instead of going this route why not just get a Helix and PowerCab? I’ll check them out at Summer NAMM today though.
They should put straps on the back so you can wear it like a backpack, a nice faux leather branded cover and off you go, on your bike............
I recent have been thinking of putting a strap on the fender tweed twin
Just played one at Summer NAMM.
Sounds good and is very lightweight!
I was seriously impressed by the sound of these, especially the Deluxe tonemaster. But, they're cheaper than the original amplifier but they still ain't cheap though are they? I was expecting more around the £500-600 mark
Yes, there was a definite difference between amp1 and amp2. Much more pronounced in Pete's setup than Lee's. Not sure whether it was the Tele vs the Strat or the 1x12 vs the 2x12. Could I hear which was which....nope. In Pete's case I preferred Amp1 as for Lee's, I couldn't make my mind up.....thanks Andertons, great comparison video.
Did Hannibal Lecter relic that strat 😂 great video ❤️
David Willoughby looks like the dog had been chewing on it, relicing gone mad!
How badly would you have to treat your guitar for it to look that bad???
I would say these are a bargain and Fender could've easily charged more. They do more than their tube counterparts: more features, lighter, far more versatile with the attenuation. Playable on stage, home recording studio or late-night without waking the family! And at the end of the day, they sound just as good. Home run from Fender!
At what point do they reveal which is which? I can’t find it and it’s driving me nuts.
Found it 29:02
Right, I’ve been around the block musically speaking. Firstly this is “ Subjective “ I started on solid state amps. Marshall 75 watt reverb. I’ve played all sorts of amps. Back in the day Yamaha attempted this with an amp that had moving nobs and digital modelling, They where trying to convince me to take an endorsement and tried to tell me (salesperson ) that its was as good as a valve amp. It wasn’t. The Fender however is a world apart from that amp and without context of the valve amp sitting next to It i personally feel anyone using the tone master would be happy. I would be happy to use it. I think the solid state amp is something you just need to get used too but you could for sure get lovely tones out of it. For me, I could easily tell the difference between the two, the valve amps just have the high end sparkle that i love, having said that a lot of guitar players like a rounded off tone, myself included and I think that would make it harder to tell the difference. I sussed it within 30 seconds that A was valve. Would I use the solid state ? 100%. Am I going to? Nope. I have the 64 deluxe hand wired and I wouldn’t compromise, it’s not very heavy such as the twin and in my personal opinion ( subjective ) it the best amp ever made, a sweet spot for studio, live, headroom. The achievable tones are outstanding. I think it’s all about where you are on your guitar journey and it’s fine to love more than one amp. You guys do a great job of trying to be objective and informative without allowing your personal opinions to sway what the potential buyer might instinctively feel about a product. The tone master ( for a solid state amp ) is a winner in my opinion, I just prefer the valves singing and I have learned through many many mistakes to trust my gut and ears. Buy once , but the best you can afford and use the thing. When I was a kid, if my mum had bought me the Tone Master as my first amp I would have been doing kart wheels all down the street with excitement. If i had the tone master now i would be indifferent as I have many points of reference and years of experience using amps. I think it’s important not to let the equipment get in the way of the art of making music. I use that phrase “ It gets in the way “ a lot to describe anything that interferes or slows you down in the moment of inspiration. This amp doesn’t do that, you just switch it on and play so that’s good but at the same time, a great sound and tone can inspire you to play better and if you can find your sound and not need to mess around constantly chasing the tone you will spend more time playing and less faffing around with nobs. I see that a lot when I play lives people that constantly miss the moment because they mess around too much. You set your sound up for live, a couple of adjustments between the odd song, set it forget it and concentrate on the playing and performance, as long as it’s close enough to what you need, i find the tome perfectionists sometimes miss the point and I guess it depends on what kind of performer you are. I personally am not to keen on the self amusing player and prefer to serve the listeners. sorry I went of on a tangent there. Anyways that’s just my humble opinion , but hey, what the f do i know anyway. Thanks for all the fun videos guys it’s been really great during lockdown although it makes us all want to spend money. Oh an Pete is a fantastic player, i know he hears that a lot. I don’t know much about his playing history, do you still gig Pete? Thanks
Impressive. I guessed incorrectly as I can imagine lots of people did.
Chapman can rip, but Danish Pete’s playing is hands down the best on this channel. Every time.
29:01 answer
You guys rock! To my ear they sound every bit as good as their "real" siblings. That deluxe is well worth $899 IMHO...
For that kind of money - I'd rather just get a used Deluxe/Twin tube amp. If weight was truly a priority - just get a Line 6 Helix/Fractal/Headrush.
That was my first thought as soon as I saw the prices.
Great end jam guys and that grey Strat Lee, is the first relic that gets me. But the amps? Fender knocking it out of the park with original thinking. Leo would be so proud! BRILLIANT!
Coming back to this video because I'm debating getting one of these. I really want a 65 Princeton Reverb however I live in an apartment and I can't get very loud and the fact that these seem to be the only fender amplifiers that have built-in power attenuation kind of annoys me.You would think power attenuation would be the standard in 2019 for all amplifier manufacturers.I really can't tell much difference between these and the original versions but the lightweight and the power scaling definitely has my attention however like many have said I feel like these are priced too high for what they are.
I bought one and I can say they are worth every penny. A pine cab and high quality speaker on their own would run you 400 dollars at least. Add in the direct out and the attenuator plus all of the R&D that went into these for three years and the price is pretty on point.
@@superbford I suppose I think they're going to be more attractive on the used market in a couple months I did actually play one today and anyone that says they can tell the difference is a cork sniffer they are dead on accurate to the original The only way I could see anyone being able to tell the difference is in the reverb but the amp tone itself is dead on
They sound way different from each other.... even on TH-cam
Great vid guys . Happily surprised how it sounds alongside the real deal. 👍
For Deluxe Reverb I think the valve amp still sounds better but for the Twin they improved the sound with the tone master.
I hope this is a sign of things to come!
So I was about to dis on the Tonemasters because I much prefered Lee's amp 2 and Pete's amp 1 across the board. Then they revealed which amps were which... The dirty tones on Lee's 1 sounded very fizzy and horrible to me. I guess I could save a lot of money if I'm ever in the market for a Twin or Deluxe.
Reveal at 29:00 for those trying to find it
THANK YOU!
So 2 was the tube one? Crap , I picked 2 out on everything as being less stale digital feeling... I was hoping I'd be wrong and that would be the tone master
@@TheVigilantStewards Lee's #2 was digital. Pete's digital was #1
Love that they're testing 700quid amps with 4000quid guitars 😄
Fender has stepped up their game as of late. The new guitar line and now these amps. Hope run!
Seriously I enjoy that fender amps are kind of the new cool retro thing (thanks joe Bonamassa!) but digital? They sound great but will these amps have any long term value in 50 years? Also upkeep and parts replacement are always expensive and a hassle. Right now valve amps are easy to fix and the part almost always cost pennies compared to the computer tech you need to hire to fix a digital modeling amp. Time will tell I guess and I’m not getting down on these just for being digital because they do sound great.
12:48 the noise that came out of lee was extraordinary
I’ve had zero interest in digital amps due to the option paralysis that typically comes with them but this seems like a bit of a game changer in a marketplace that still loves traditional designs