A book for selling models to other imperial players, and an afterthought to those who focused on the factions included as their own thing. Was really hoping to bring my Deathwatch into this edition as we'd been kneecapped effectively for multiple editions but instead we get taken out behind the chemical shed. I get the "model company" wants to move more models and the slotting in of individual (only from what's on the sprue, by the by) squads is the end goal, but it just leaves such a bitter taste when the codex you'd think would be tailored to having the most "your guy" aspects has the least. Thanks for the review though Ash, good work as always
When people get all pedantic about Latin pronunciation for Warhammer names, I ask them to pronounce "Vigilus." None of them have pronounced it as it would properly have been pronounced in Classical Latin. (And if you're curious, it's basically "Wiggy-Loose." It sounds dumb, but it's right!)
I mean, unless you don't play comp. It IS entirely possible to stick with a specific edition with the mechanics you like the most and just homebrew anything that was added later.
@@Darwingreen5 NGL, the homebrewing is my favorite part. I can play a fine game, but designing and balancing new rules and units is genuinely fun. Maybe I'll design an entire new game one day.
@johnj.spurgin7037 let us know when you do lol I've started a warhammer "campaign" that uses kill team rules to emulate special ops and 9th edition to represent bigger battles. Models deaths are permanent be every win adds more points to your army.
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames I mean kinda? If I wanna do a Space Marine army with my non-DW Veterans, and "ally" in the "Deathwatch units" into it then yeah. But that's, in practice, proving to be extremely awkward thing to do. The only actual units that I have in my "Deathwatch Army" is technically Veterans, Artemis, Watch Master, and the Blackstar. Everything else is a specifically "Space Marine Army" and therefore causes some friction when the Chaplain who I used to attach to my Killteam Veterans can't now because they aren't part of the same army anymore. Technically I could still bring units from the Index (Including all the non-SM codex units that got sent to Legends as well) as those units are technically Legends, but my FLGS won't let us use Legends units so I kinda have to do a lot of janky things to play my army still, and psychologically it just feels bad.
I started Deathwatch in 8th edition. Super disappointed that all those years of work are basically unplayable now unless I want to use them as generic Marines.
I refuse to play my "Elite alien Hunting Marines" as normal marines. It was fun but now I don't know if I have any motivation to make Deathwatch anymore
Problem with fun to paint, is that A you better LOVE to paint the army , especialy a DW one with identical load outs and dudes in black and B it sucks to play with, because the armies aren't beating any xeno, chaos etc army unless someone is insane and plays a kroot detachment.
Thank you for being positive about this but also honest. It breaks my heart that they gutted the deathwatch because the models were mostly non-bespoke and had to be made with heart and passion rather than individual specialized boxes. Most of my DW is now completely invalid in any faction or squad due to the mixed company weapon loadouts being deleted. Back to the Dark Angels I go. Flipside to this, I do love the mix and match capability for the book. Adding squads of battle sisters or Grey knights into any other imperial faction is cool and flavorful while still retaining their autonomy as a faction. The inquisitor and their Naval/Arbites squads feel more valid as well. Overall pleased.
I feel for ya. I was having fun with em last Ed and paused this one. Glad I did cause of I spent all that time to be then told to play as normal marines id be even more upset.
It's a case of them yet again being led by tournament play and the 'meta'. Yes we didn't play them at tournaments but guess what we played them because they were fun. Ya know, the reason why you play a game in the first place.
The funniest thing about this release to me is that the 'standard' version has the old Daemon Hunters codex art.. and the 'special' version is just the old Witch Hunters..
This book would be fantastic if we weren't stuck with the 'balanced & competitive' game design. Imagine something like this with rules that allow gear customization, ordos for the generic inquisitors,... basically what 40k always had before we've got everything reduced to the minimum variety so that metawatch can keep up with the balance for the crying minority... But I look forward using it in our 500-1000 points crusade campaign. We will add back some customization and fight through Boarding Actions and small scale skirmishes. Its going to be a blast :)
The third edition ones and the Eye of Terror codex popped up a little after I went on my hobby hiatus and I always thought they looked really cool. I'm pleased to see this even though I only do skirmish games these days and won't interact with it directly.
Remember when they promised all the rules would be free on the app, and the codexes would just be fluff pieces with no rules or points in them? I loved believing that lie.
Would have been neat of Imperial Agents players army lists could include sideboards for the other detachments so the army list can be tailored depending on the opponent.
Feels like this codex was phoned in at best. Just give them an army rule, give the ordo detatchments a brood brothers equivalent, and maybe a bit more for voidfarers. These don't feel like complete armies at all.
I had an 8k pt DW army and id rather feed it into a wood chipper than buy this book. They fail to comprehend the appeal of Deathwatch, and so removed it all.
I love the new standard of cynicism is still there, despite your enthusiasm! This sounds like the only thing in tenth so far that has any interest at all for me, but I still can’t see me making space in a busy gaming schedule to play 40K :-/
I would never use either of those pronunciations I would say AreBiteTies. I may be off but the Chimira and the Rhino came out the same year so they are both like 20 years old!
I was wondering about this Codex, I started a Deathwatch army at the start of 10th and now I'm not sure if I should continue with it if Deathwatch is being just rolled into this Codex. Not that I mind this book, I started 40k in3rd with the Witch Hunters Codex and was sad we never got the Xenos Hunters one.
And chaos can take daemons and chaos knights, and eldar take ynnari, and trauma should be able to ally in LoV (demiurge) and I could see GSC and Tyranids working together. Necrons and orks are the only ones to really stand alone.
It wrecked my deathwatch , and really is only a vehicle for having other imperial players buy smattering of things to their main army. My kill teams of deathwatch are gutted , and now all my other marine stuff is for some reason deathwatch. Add to that you could make this book have so much more flavor , it feels lazy and half effort. The last book like this was worlds more flavorful and I liked that one.
A book for selling models to other imperial players, and an afterthought to those who focused on the factions included as their own thing. Was really hoping to bring my Deathwatch into this edition as we'd been kneecapped effectively for multiple editions but instead we get taken out behind the chemical shed. I get the "model company" wants to move more models and the slotting in of individual (only from what's on the sprue, by the by) squads is the end goal, but it just leaves such a bitter taste when the codex you'd think would be tailored to having the most "your guy" aspects has the least. Thanks for the review though Ash, good work as always
When people get all pedantic about Latin pronunciation for Warhammer names, I ask them to pronounce "Vigilus." None of them have pronounced it as it would properly have been pronounced in Classical Latin.
(And if you're curious, it's basically "Wiggy-Loose." It sounds dumb, but it's right!)
And two years time its all thrown in the recycle bin.
Can’t throw anything into the bin if you just don’t buy it 😊
I mean, unless you don't play comp. It IS entirely possible to stick with a specific edition with the mechanics you like the most and just homebrew anything that was added later.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 everyone says that, but I've never come across people doing that in the wild.
@@Darwingreen5 NGL, the homebrewing is my favorite part. I can play a fine game, but designing and balancing new rules and units is genuinely fun. Maybe I'll design an entire new game one day.
@johnj.spurgin7037 let us know when you do lol
I've started a warhammer "campaign" that uses kill team rules to emulate special ops and 9th edition to represent bigger battles.
Models deaths are permanent be every win adds more points to your army.
This book killed my entire faction DW, and my desire to even trust GW playing this game. Time for OPR
Lol me too
Hearing "It's a pretty cool book" completely ruined this dudes credibility for me.
DW were my NYNA and boy howdy this was a gut punch.
Aren’t they still just a chapter choice for the Marines tho? Doesn’t change any of that
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames I mean kinda? If I wanna do a Space Marine army with my non-DW Veterans, and "ally" in the "Deathwatch units" into it then yeah. But that's, in practice, proving to be extremely awkward thing to do. The only actual units that I have in my "Deathwatch Army" is technically Veterans, Artemis, Watch Master, and the Blackstar. Everything else is a specifically "Space Marine Army" and therefore causes some friction when the Chaplain who I used to attach to my Killteam Veterans can't now because they aren't part of the same army anymore. Technically I could still bring units from the Index (Including all the non-SM codex units that got sent to Legends as well) as those units are technically Legends, but my FLGS won't let us use Legends units so I kinda have to do a lot of janky things to play my army still, and psychologically it just feels bad.
Our deathwatch armies aren't dead. This codex doesn't void the deathwatch index you can download from GW or on the app.
Kharne betrayer and Abaddon the despoiler were iconic to me back in 2nd edition
I started Deathwatch in 8th edition. Super disappointed that all those years of work are basically unplayable now unless I want to use them as generic Marines.
Could be worse. I have a whole WS biker army as my only army. My friend who bounced off w40k in 8th ed, plays or rather played beastman.
@@piotrjeske4599 oh, I know it's not a unique story for GW. It's always disappointing when it happens to one of your armies.
I refuse to play my "Elite alien Hunting Marines" as normal marines. It was fun but now I don't know if I have any motivation to make Deathwatch anymore
@@piotrjeske4599 I hear beastmen are coming back.
This is how I felt as a Death Korps of Krieg player at the end of 8th edition.
Problem with fun to paint, is that A you better LOVE to paint the army , especialy a DW one with identical load outs and dudes in black and B it sucks to play with, because the armies aren't beating any xeno, chaos etc army unless someone is insane and plays a kroot detachment.
Thank you for being positive about this but also honest. It breaks my heart that they gutted the deathwatch because the models were mostly non-bespoke and had to be made with heart and passion rather than individual specialized boxes. Most of my DW is now completely invalid in any faction or squad due to the mixed company weapon loadouts being deleted. Back to the Dark Angels I go.
Flipside to this, I do love the mix and match capability for the book. Adding squads of battle sisters or Grey knights into any other imperial faction is cool and flavorful while still retaining their autonomy as a faction. The inquisitor and their Naval/Arbites squads feel more valid as well. Overall pleased.
RIP my near 9000pt Deathwatch Army 😢
I feel for ya. I was having fun with em last Ed and paused this one. Glad I did cause of I spent all that time to be then told to play as normal marines id be even more upset.
Lol.
19000+ for me.
@@MichaelGoldsberry-jd1sx ouch 😢
Same same
It's a case of them yet again being led by tournament play and the 'meta'.
Yes we didn't play them at tournaments but guess what we played them because they were fun. Ya know, the reason why you play a game in the first place.
I don't play 40K anymore, but the fluff is so good about the Agents!
The funniest thing about this release to me is that the 'standard' version has the old Daemon Hunters codex art.. and the 'special' version is just the old Witch Hunters..
This book would be fantastic if we weren't stuck with the 'balanced & competitive' game design. Imagine something like this with rules that allow gear customization, ordos for the generic inquisitors,... basically what 40k always had before we've got everything reduced to the minimum variety so that metawatch can keep up with the balance for the crying minority...
But I look forward using it in our 500-1000 points crusade campaign. We will add back some customization and fight through Boarding Actions and small scale skirmishes. Its going to be a blast :)
@erih2934 oh hold on buddy, "gear customization", what are you trying to have fun or something?
The third edition ones and the Eye of Terror codex popped up a little after I went on my hobby hiatus and I always thought they looked really cool. I'm pleased to see this even though I only do skirmish games these days and won't interact with it directly.
Cash grab to payeall the agents.
Now we need 2x $60 books and a $5 sub to use the app.
GW slipping back to its old ways
Remember when they promised all the rules would be free on the app, and the codexes would just be fluff pieces with no rules or points in them? I loved believing that lie.
Would have been neat of Imperial Agents players army lists could include sideboards for the other detachments so the army list can be tailored depending on the opponent.
They’re kind of allowing for that with the Assassins which I love
Thanks for another great review! 👍
I think anyone who says "arr-beee-teeez" should do it in a Wilford Brimley voice.
Juan Diaz was best known for his Daemonettes.
I quit 40k, enough GW.
Feels like this codex was phoned in at best.
Just give them an army rule, give the ordo detatchments a brood brothers equivalent, and maybe a bit more for voidfarers. These don't feel like complete armies at all.
I had an 8k pt DW army and id rather feed it into a wood chipper than buy this book. They fail to comprehend the appeal of Deathwatch, and so removed it all.
I love the new standard of cynicism is still there, despite your enthusiasm! This sounds like the only thing in tenth so far that has any interest at all for me, but I still can’t see me making space in a busy gaming schedule to play 40K :-/
I would never use either of those pronunciations I would say AreBiteTies. I may be off but the Chimira and the Rhino came out the same year so they are both like 20 years old!
@@jeremyherndon2974 Chimera is actually the mid 90s… it’s close to 30! The Rhino is actually from 2001 putting it at creeping in 25 now.
The RT rhino is from 80s, but I know what you youngin's are saying.
I was wondering about this Codex, I started a Deathwatch army at the start of 10th and now I'm not sure if I should continue with it if Deathwatch is being just rolled into this Codex. Not that I mind this book, I started 40k in3rd with the Witch Hunters Codex and was sad we never got the Xenos Hunters one.
People will be deploying large portions of Imperial soup.
And chaos can take daemons and chaos knights, and eldar take ynnari, and trauma should be able to ally in LoV (demiurge) and I could see GSC and Tyranids working together. Necrons and orks are the only ones to really stand alone.
@@johnj.spurgin7037I mean orks could have diggas and some necrons human slaves
I believe the chimera got redone in 5th ed
Saturday morning reviews!!! 🤩🤩🎉🥳🫡
It's pronounced 'The old bill'
@@johnhaynes9442 or 'The Rozzers' 😂😂
It wrecked my deathwatch , and really is only a vehicle for having other imperial players buy smattering of things to their main army.
My kill teams of deathwatch are gutted , and now all my other marine stuff is for some reason deathwatch. Add to that you could make this book have so much more flavor , it feels lazy and half effort. The last book like this was worlds more flavorful and I liked that one.
But the truth is no one used him for games anyway
So I can take some gray knights with my blood angels or sisters ?
Any Imperium army!
it's said Ar Bi Tays
But how do you say "Chowder" 😘👌
@@MuleKickin Chow Durr
@@joahnaut this is why you all are my people
"Its a pretty cool book"
Your opinions are bad and you should feel bad
Hahahahaha
It's the worst codex ever, zero effort.