Thank you. It is beyond frustrating seeing so many people dismiss this whole ordeal like it's nothing. I also waited and saved for six months, only for Hoyoverse to spit in my face. They'll never get my money or trust ever again.
Yes. Because what we need more of is being frustrated over the smallest and most insignificant things. Do you people have so much free time that you can go around and be angry at people who want to pull Dehya.
As u should, I've also decided to stop spending for this game, they've lost any and all respect from me Hoyo might be free to decide how they want their game to look like buts I'm also free to decide if they're worth giving money to
@@kawaiimika7974 You're barking up the wrong tree. I AM one of those people who want to pull Dehya, and I'm going to later today. If someone really wants her, they should go for her, but they deserve to know the state of things before spending their hard-earned primos. If they don't care about her problems and want her anyway, that's totally fine. The people who get mad at people pulling for Dehya are assholes. I love her character and I prioritize fun over meta, but her apparent state on release is inexcusably poor to the point of looking intentionally bad. I'm not angry at Dehya wanters, I'm frustrated at those who dismiss legitimate criticism, because telling the devs it's okay to give us garbage is bad for the game in the long run. If there's no backlash, we can expect more dysfunctional kits like Dehya's in the future. I hope she's at least fun to play around with.
Finally someone who are sane in this community speaking up without sugarcoating for overly sensitive babies, i thought im crazy for not accepting hoyo treatment, i witness so many stupid comments, people defending dehya, accepting how she is and how the game condition without demanding more, thank you sir
The "community" did the exact same when people who liked gameplay and engaging content complained about genshin and their "let's not induce more anxiety" situation, it's pathetic, it's like they don't want the game to improve just because they "hate" that other people are complaining about it, there are even those same dumbasses commenting in this video as well
Most people don't care, there not playing the game for meta, they stick to the character is hot, like 99% of the player base, nothing will change that.
The idea that something on a *standard* banner should be expected to be terrible because it's on a *standard* banner really tells me that folks have pretty terrible *standards* for some things.
Yep, especially since standard banner characters are not all bad either. Jean is nice, Mona is BIS in freeze forever and Thignari is fairly strong and gets rly rly strong with constelations.
Finally is someone in the Genshin community actually spoke out of about this without sugercoating it the fact people are okay with defending a multi billion dollar for giving us a shitty product and actively defend it just the most pathetic bootlicking shit I have ever seen.
@@justsomeguy727 "We watching the same people?" Probably not, since you're not the center of the world, and they don't have the same watch history as you. Your "every CC" is not the same as their "every CC," and this comment was made before Dehya's release.
Nowadays, we can't even say anything bad about a character before getting bashed for doomposting and calling characters mid like it's a bad thing and how the game has no endgame/single player so we don't need anything good - mid/bad is enough. It's so frustrating, especially for paying players. I don't even ask for powercreep, just good is enough, but this is unjustifiable. Yet people can still defend this.
RIGHT and ppl r like “anyone can be good if u build them right” no.. a character’s kit doesn’t change i don’t care if you can get godly artifacts just to make her do 300k or whatever rng sucks and no one was talking about damage dehya’s kit is just terrible
About the endgame thing, it makes me so angry to see people complaining about it. Like, endgame can be made optional and if you dislike it just don't play it, but don't stop others from playing it.
Wrong. Game IS NOT easy anymore. This abyss proves it. This abyss kicked away so much weak teams. We reached the point where we should care about characters power.
My second team for abyss is literally just Rational. Only have 2 other built 5 stars, Hu Tao and zhongli, and they carry team one with diona and kaeya. Pulling 3 five stars over several years isn’t hard.
almost nobody does the abyss and no one is gonna wish for a character just do 36 star it every week Quit trying I am not asking for characters to be op im asking for them to make characters that are fuqing good not broken like deyah
@@chiakinanami965 Abyss is the only gameplay genshin ever have. Not exploration. Not quests. Not dailies. Not even events(except some combat ones). Abyss is the only genshin's game.
@@Dubstep_Gun If what you mean by "game" is a challenge then yeah you're right but I still enjoy fighting bosses cuz some of them do give me hard time even with ultra meta characters But saying the abyss is the only gameplay there is, I greatly disagree.
@@swegypunchymany4717he isn't all the way wrong though outside of events, fishing and tcg. Nothing is actually as challenging as it should be like abyss.
The way people use CN as a shield for their opinions is crazy. Then these same people will hold it against us for "harassing" kokomi's VA when it literally happened on a Chinese website The EN community is a split mess. China has the largest population in the world and they also just play gacha games more. But I'm supposed to believe their entire community has no disagreement over endgame, or character strength. Okay.
Cn is also a split mess but in different ways. During haitham beta, cn community was in an uproar together against mhy, then it suddenly turned into infighting for stupid reasons. Luckily Haitham turned out good. Sadly, Dehya was not so fortunate. And yes the VA harrassing part is insane.
It's almost as if a lot of gamers online are lowkey sociopathic in nature and wanna unleash their pent up frustrations on other people over video games or something.
Im a 1.0 ar60 player and i can easily 36 star abyss, but even I still have standards. I don't and won't pull shit or mediocre characters even though i can.
More like Baizhu has long been planned to be released with Sumeru, Dehya got in the way and since they need to release at least ONE bad character from the said region of the game, they chose Dehya. I hope my words are understandable, I'm not a native english speaker.
@@BulletSponge71436 I see nothing wrong with her everyone shitting on her is mad she not meta. Dehya was never going to be as powerful as a limit banner unit. Would I like her to have higher numbers yes but hoyo has on multiple units made them base on something in the future. Plus I don't give a shit about info that comes from a god damn beta.
"They spit in your face and ask for your money" That's exactly why they can forget I'll ever give them a single $ until they fix Dehya. If they never will it's not my problem, I have ton of characters and 36* abyss on weekly basis already
Great video, it so bad how much people tryng to defend the awful state of dehya. Waifu>meta should not be an argument when the character is so bad even in overworld. Worst is people saying she is not that bad and should not be compared to other units Whenever "no more endgame content" argument comes, it probably is because of bad it feels the dps check of abyss. Of course if the only endgame that exists its very bad designed it would make them dont want more of it.
@@justsomeguy727it doesn't take a genius to figure out everything should take criticism, just because this is an accepted form of life destroying addiction gambling doesn't mean it's right.
When I saw a top upvoted post on reddit about how "endgame would cause powercreep" I lost hope in the community. They hate endgame so much that they're actively trying to make sure it doesn't happen. Whenever I argue with people on reddit about endgame, they always either get to them giving up and saying: 1. Well if it doesn't have rewards, nobody will play it anyways! So they shouldn't add it! 2. People will still ask mihoyo for more! They'll never be satisfied, so they shouldn't even bother! I really feel like there's no way to explain this behavior other than that they just want us to suffer. They're "waifu" got criticized for being mid and they just made it their life's mission to spite players who enjoy combat.
Honestly here is my solution to the kind valid point 1: Make alternative Endgame content. The core of the argument is that Gacha games have a sort of F2P gem allowance for how much premium currency you can possibly get for free per month. You can see this in most months coming to about the same amount of F2P primos and when something permanent is added like the "1 pull per archon quest" you will see less events being run that patch or those events all losing a bunch of gems. 600 Gems are currently in the Spiral abyss every 2 weeks, assuming 5ish week patches its about 10 pulls per patch. Here is how to fix endgame without putting more of the easily accessible event gems as rewards for endgame: Make a sorta "Bi Weekly Difficult content" permanent event that allows you to do something else instead of Spiral abyss to earn your 600 gems, such as new endgame content, TCG and other stuff that currently falls under "too hard but no reward". Could even make Coop endgame content under that model because you are not forced to do everything, just 1 thing you like.
Its been 2 years and the challenge of this game has been getting easier and easier to the point where most events are googoo gaga mario party mini games and very little actual combat stuff. At this point genshin has solidified itself as a casual story game with no endgame. Hardcore players are not welcomed and they are not catered to by mihoyo. I think wishing genshin will ever get better is a lost cause at this point. You pretty much just have to accept that it will be nothing more than a coomer bait googoo gaga game, and you must decide to either drop the game completely or play it casually as intended.
All they really need as a reward structure for new endgame content is some kind of special cosmetic reward. Give players a golden crown or fairy minion or something Lord knows they barely do anything on that front to start with. It's cheap to implement, and the toxic casual side won't have to complain about not being able to earn some resources
The banner is incredibly shit, they could've given her Candace at least but they just HAD to put her with 2 free units and benny boy. I hope Dehya is the most busted character we've ever seen and the leaks are wrong because fuck this is sad.
@@lak9292 from how the genshin discord channels I'm in have been going on, they love her, one guy even made a video of him using dehya to one shot a boss.
The biggest thing that concerns me is how they will handle Fontaine characters and any future characters. The Fontaine Nation is the one I'm most excited for and if they pull another "Dehya" situation into any characters from there (Especially ones that interest me), I plan to quit by the time Natlan is around the corner. I enjoy the game...but I'm getting really sick of all this...
Same, as time goes on it gets harder and harder to justify continuing to play the game. Regardless. I really hope they don't fumble Fontaine's character line up. Sumeru, at least in my eyes, fell extremely short in the character quality department and I really hope that doesn't happen again. Unfortunately, it seems the majority of people will eat that shit up and there's nothing we can do about that. The most we can do is hope that if and when the time comes, the right people will make noise and get things to improve. Let's hope for the best.
As I saw the trailer and seeing some players wanting Navia being a great geo character, probably she will be the first 5 star geo in the standard banner.
The genshin community has been in the gutter since the interview hell I’d argue before that even The only difference is that dehya finally made everyone realize it.
The "Hoyoverse only listens to the CN side of the community" part is probably because of the Zhongli buff back in 1.3(?) And people should know that they shouldn't "Prove the metaslaves wrong" with C6R5 and a showcase team, and cope that everything is ok. That also hurts the whole community since Hoyo would think that everything they throw is fine. You could say that to Aloy but she isn't as hyped up as Deyha. Also, if you want to send a message, not pulling, especially not topping up, is way better to do since they are sales-driven. If the sales are low, they will think twice about releasing a third-rate character. They had avoided this because they put her at the standard banner because I think they know the sales are going to be dogsht. Yet these "Prove the metaslaves wrong" simps decided to whale for their cause(not saying you shouldn't whale just because she is bad but if your reason is to prove someone wrong, you need help.) . If you are a waifu>>meta person, you wouldn't prove them wrong in the first place since you don't care about her kit and numbers.
to add more info about the zhongli buff, some cn did complain about zhongli being representitive about xi xing pin or whatever his name was. but zhongli buff in 1.3 wasn't because of cn nationality but it's more about false advertising and china can hold them accountable about that thro legalisations and such "trailer zhongli don't match gameplay, it displayed c4+ zhongli while c0 zhongli can't do any of this" they later fixed the video and buffed zhongli to calm the problems, so yea mhy had a way to pressures. eitherway, mhy or any other game listen to money more than any post or pitition or riot can ever do
I like how so many comments are like "thank you finally someone who's validating my feelings!" As if every major content creator hasn't voiced their grievances with this character and still are even to this very day. I support y'all's cause and such but man, the level of vindication-seeking some of you do is really something else. This video isnt some weird outlier. It's very much what a majority of people that are active on *any* social platform for this game think / say.
It's just people feeling relieved that others are trying to bring attention to the situation don't read too much into it. The crowd that says," ACTUALLY, Dehya is amazing and you guys are just dumb and don't know how to build her," are popular NOW and will continue to grow after her banner is gone. Every day that has gone by I've seen more and more of them. There may be a lot of noise now but soon there won't be anything and everyone who agrees with me and other content creators will become the minority once again.
i dont even want damage, i just want them to increase the interrupt resistance to the full duration of her skill and the displace ability to refresh the skill. damage isn't always everything i get that. bug god damn whats up with that skill
Yup most people are in the camp of "I can make do with no damage just make her a great support / Define her role and make her do well in that role". Unfortunately not even Hoyo seems to know what her purpose is and even owners of C6 Dehya are underwhelmed because her kit is so awkward.
Very well said. I've been looking forward to her for months too, and her whole situation has pissed me off so much. They've done nothing but spit in our faces with this. I was F2P for a while, but I recently started buying the Welkin again to both support Hoyo and get some extra pulls. After this whole ordeal, waiting for months only to get shafted at every opportunity, I'm not giving them any money ever again. I'm honestly not enjoying the game at all right now because of everything - they just don't seem to care. The community as a whole needs to be more upset about this, even if they don't care about Dehya personally. If it can happen to her, it can happen to anyone. We deserve better.
I put a decent bit into this game and I didn't have all the standard characters for over a year and a half For someone both paying and playing less than me, how long do you think it'll take them? "Standards are easy to get" is a myth. Oh yes, it is easier to get standards -in general-. But a *specific* standard might NEVER come your way.
I pulled her (same situation as you, "almost free-2-play". And standard banner only account. Honestly that was the sole reason i pulled her). Her damage output obviously sucks. Even for my low standards. And she should get buffed. But i don't think she's THAT bad (as a support). More useful to me personally than e.g. Diluc, Aloy or Qiqi. I know that's a really uncommon background and the current abyss is literally tailor made for her but she has a unique kit so i feel like she can do some niche stuff or work in niche situations where other characters may do the job less well. I know it sounds like a ton of copium but i don't dislike her so far personally, but i get why others would be mad especially if you were one of the unfortunate people who saved up for her and looked forward to her in advance (which i didn't).
I thought i was the only one feeling being forced-fed. Why the heck do we need to pay for a 5* which apparently have 4* treatment or even worse? Just because we love her design/lore and have been wanting such character for months? I myself waited for Yae almost 6 months then bam clunky mechanic, mediocre at C0 and got improved when dendro hits damage wised. But why do we need to wait months for a purchased character to be good? Now Dehya, since 3.0 i just pulled for Nahida and keeps the rest of my primos for her. I even swiped my card hoping to get her cons+BIS. How many more case I have to experience before they stop releasing subpar 5*? DO they feel complacent about their easy earned money so they just release whatever because he/she will sale?
Well you get your answer, they will keep doing this shit until they see their sales drop and at this point with how much money they make on other banners, they can almost keep getting away with this kind of shit, not to mention they have a legion of people who will keep defending their product.
@@jabermogwai5996 Except doing exceptionally well on day1, the sales of Dehya's and Cyno's banners have been stagnated at the low level. First week sale is roughly the same as Nilou's+Albedo's. I am sure if exclude Cyno, Dehya's banner alone would be one of the lowest sale. However, HYV was not in the position 2 years ago when they still cared about their funding. IIRC, it was at the time they fixed ZL and expanded their workforces more than 100 positions. Now they have plenty of cashflow to fund 4 or more games at the same times. So yeah we will definitely see the 5* butchering again in the future. What irritates me the most are those who keep saying Dehya is fine and accept to be taken advantages of. Do not talk about anything else, just the fact that she is as expensive as the other 5* but her kits/dmg/ multipliers is less (useful) than a 4*, is fundamentally wrong. Fun to play, good design alone can't justify the money we pay. I have her at C1R1, tried her with various teams comp so I know what i am saying.
@@lawfulgoodnun1646 Imagine waiting for months since Sumeru debut, dont care about other 5* just wait patiently and eagerly for Dehya. Suddenly, you have no idea what to do with your accumulated primos which is almost 85K even after pulling for Dehya. If you are not emotionally invested playing the game or pulling for a character, then it's good on you. It's not a matter of choice, it is a waste of times and emotionally hurt. Not to mention, should not we have a standard threshold of quality for an expensive 5*?
I can't relate with ppl who want Dehya and invest so much but turns out she's bad, I'm sorry. I just someone who pull Dehya because she's in standard character and standard character have no guarantee pull on certain character, my gacha bad, so just pull it, turns out I enjoy the gameplay despite the bad side. It's okay to feel sad & it's normal. But don't hurt yourself or even make the community feel uncomfortable. If someone want to enjoy their Dehya just let them be. I'm not a preacher so I can't give a solution. Just don't expect too much it can hurts yourself and prepare yourself if you plan on investing to certain character.
13:00 This just came to my mind, but do you know the quote: "The world ends with you?" Meaning, how big or small the world is depends on your connections with others, and your interest in making it bigger through knowledge. If you don't care to make it bigger, you would be the center of your own world and it would end with you. I don't like to use the world self-centered here for the negative connotation, as I think someone could consider themselves the center of their world (like a hikikomori like me ends up being, my connections with the world are very limited) and still have a cordial attitude, a humility. But it is true that the potential to be self-centered in the bad way is big here, as you are used to only care about yourself and what you want. It is what you said at 13:31 what made me sigh, as you used that logic to mock them... and that exact thing has happened before in other games. I don't expect that it will happen to Genshin, but _is not impossible_ The case that affected me personally, was Fortnite: Save the World. I paid for a pve game with base building aspects to survive waves of zombies. Then they released their pvp side of the game and stopped developing content for a long ass time for Save the World (they pretty much have dropped it) since their priority shifted completely to cater their new playerbase. In my case, I am a casual, because playing seriously would stress me out with all the FOMO and artifact grind brings to the table. I prefer low chance of getting a drop of fixed stats that are always the same and fit a certain build, then what we have here. As long as the hardest content remains *optional* in the game (like Genius Invokation) I completely embrace it and want it for people who enjoy other playstyles. Just please don't force it on my throat, thank you very much.
The same thing happened to Call of Duty after warzone was created. An entirely different crowd of people started playing the game and because warzone was making more money than the base game, the base game was ignored for years and still is. I don't like the idea of forcing people to play a certain thing so ideally, yes, any additional endgame should be optional. Think of it like the spiral abyss, you don't HAVE to participate in it but it's always there for the people who want to do it.
Genshin community has this protective close minded habit. I've been blasted for saying that Dehya will perform poorly no matter what comp you put her. It is the truth, let's not lie, I've been watching Dehya beta information the whole time and still struggled to make a comp that will make her perform better, at least. But you can't really change those people that do no listen. It only destroys yourself, and leaves you angry. But we have to remind everyone that whatever you get now, I will get it later involuntarily. We'll both gonna suffer for the same shit that the manipulative game company gives us. It makes them confident to release another garbage.
I don't see a reason to defend hoyo"s character kit balancing or content output but I also don't see a reason to react so childishly either. Hoyo is a company that puts out a product, you know what you're signing up for and you can buy it or not buy it. The way this outrage manifests towards this game specifically is very ... Let's be nice and say weird. If you want a certain product but it doesn't meet your standards just don't buy the product and look for one that does fulfill them , no one is forcing you to do anything. Again, companies don't owe you anything, in the same way you don't owe them anything.
As for the Yae Miko discussion I do remember this back when she released. She is my favorite character ingame and I did save up for her and I got her on her first banner and mained her since. I know she was not META back then but I looked at her kit differently than what most people did and because of that I had a lot of success with her long before dendro came out. Due to her field time requirements I treat her like a damage carry as the role in the team, she may not be the driver but defenintly the carry of the team. I remember having a discussion with someone over Yae back then and they had the opinion that Yae is just a worse Fischl in every aspect. Take the most popular taser team back then of Beidou, Kokomi, Fischl, Sucrose, Fischl's job is mainly to battery for Beidou and do off field damage with Oz. If you replace Fischl with Yae then the team will perform worse overall. That is treating Yae as an off field support and she takes time away from Beidou and Sucrose. What I ended up doing for my main Yae tam before Dendro was replace Beidou with Yae. I still get crazy AoE damage with Sucrose double swirl abuse and Yae burst but also I drop the single target weakness Beidou has. It was a strong team that easily smashed abyss. IMO Yae is not a Fischl replacement, she is meant for another role. Don't get me wrong dendro was 100% a buff for her and I took full advantage of it if you ever see my abyss clears I posted. With Nahida I have made some shorts for very fast abyss boss clears. My latest one is Yae vs SIMON boss from 12-3 abyss, its ~2.2 mill HP done in 32 seconds which averages around 69k DPS. Yae+Nahida combo is basically broken but Yae Miko was totally viable back on release. Dehya on the other hand......... I am not sure what her role is meant to be, its like they mashed 3 conflicting roles into one but due to character budget she is bad in all 3. Her role to play tank, she mitigates half the damage for the team and pushes it on herself, sure she has a heal mechanic to help try to offset it but you still need a healer on the team. If you have a healer on the team you dont need Dehya anyhow. As for off field pyro application hers is just too slow and we already have far better options in the 4 stars like Thoma for burgeon or Xiangling. As for being used as a damage carry we already have many better performing characters like Yanfei, Diluc, Klee, Yoimiya, and Hu Tao. There is no role I can think of that I could argue she has a high standing in compared to other characters, especially easier to get characters. She is like Jack of all trades master of none but still does c- work at best. I am especially sad about Dehya because she was a well hyped character and well loved by the community prior. I got friends who really looked forward to her then was sad that Hoyoverse did her dirty like this. Would be nice if they actually buff her. Make her E skill duration increased baseline for her and drop the delay on its hits from 2.5s to 1s so she can be the burgeon queen would really be nice. That or they could extend her burst to 6-8 seconds and increase her multipliers so she can match a Klee in mono pyro teams. The HP scaling increase on her c1 should also be baseline while the C1 would just amplify it. Right now attack power has higher damage scaling on her than HP does and at c0 the scaling should be near identical, add in her c1 HP should take over in better scaling. Excuse the verbal diarrhea but Yae was still in a much better place mechanically when she released than how Dehya released.
This was basically my experience with Yae as well. Though if we get drama next year, I'm going to have to learn to ignore the community in Feb because I'm sick of the most hated characters being the March releases.
thank you, you hit every point and you are 100% accurate in everything here, especially here 12:50, there’s just too much dialogue man, I want to skip it and watch it later no biggie. Anyways sub deserved. You need some more.
This!!! By letting mihoyo get away with crappy characters and kits, and not demanding actual change they feel complacent. We’ve seen them act real quick before ( the anniversary fiasco ) it’s a shame that they have to wait for the players to feel desperate enough to resort to those type of things but back to point, by letting them release this character they’re getting a gateway to make more average characters just because they’ll be “ better than Dehya “ and cons lock them.
Does anyone that was genuinely upset about the Anniversary Rewards thing think 1600 primos and a commemorative item each year was a sufficient response? I was not someone at the time who cared all that much. I prefer good game no rewards over bad game with good rewards, although they would have been nice. I think they should have planned to do it from the start (I don't know for sure that they didn't tbh. the concert came later too), but I don't think that backlash changed much at all.
Thank you for tihs video man, honestly it hurts that hyv did this to my fav sumerean girl and half the 'fans' are just accepting the situation and tryna cope instead of actually trying to call out the corpos for their stupid mid decisions
10:16 Except that she isn't...😑 Anyway the only reason people call this game easily is if they have Zhongli and/or Kokomi. If you're a Zhongli/Kokomi main, and you call this game easy, you automatically have no say in that. I mean, good luck beating Tartaglia, Azdaha, and Raiden Shogun without either or. Also, the fact that many people use the Waifu>Meta bullshit just proves my month old confirmation that Hoyoverse will release the WORST character, and people will pull that person anyway, just because the character is hot. Man, Hoyoverse said y'all are some simps. 😒
Well, people did say that alhaitham was dendro keqing. I don't remember anyone saying that was a bad thing because keqing became good with dendro, but I think people mistook that statement as "alhaitham = keqing therefore alhaitham = bad"
It was cause the animations looked very similar and the gameplay seemed similar at a glance too. People were hyped about him and expecting a lot after Scara's unique gameplay. It was only when Haitham came out that people started realising his gameplay is actually different. I don't see it as bad or good, just people stating what they noticed. But somehow along the way it became something bad...
@@Avraine13 Honestly people were really dumb about Al haitham. His animations maybe overlap a bit in type with Keqing but his main focus are the mirrors which are unique. Keqing also just has really cool skill animations/types. A dash skill and big AoE burst are always cool.
I like her that I considered on pulling her but with how her kit was handled I'd rather build My C1 Diluc and C0 Keqing cause atleast they are FUNTIONAL at base not having to lose to C2 to make Dehya work.
sigh. I pulled for Dehya cuz i like her playstyle now that i see all this drama i regret pulling for her- Atleast her E works with other characters i havent even tried with bow characters
I’ve been eyeing this situation with Dehya since she was first leaked, and I have to say this is the first time in my 2yrs of playing that I got so involved with the community reception like this. Sure I was aware that Kazuha was getting smack talked and ignored because of Ayaka being the last character to come out od CBT jail, but I didn’t get that deeply involved, pulled him anyways cuz he baby boi, and now look at him. Same with Kokomi too. Even though I have yet to roll for her if I ever get the chance when she’s not close before or after some other character I was committed to prior, I never saw her as trash like how she got dumped on and her heals are amazing. Now yes, I am one of many who have been waiting and committed to Baizhu since the 1.somethin days (I started around the end of 1.3), and as a husbando collector I was committed from the jump long before Sumeru. However, I understand the frustration of all this and even I was a little whiplashed with how her kit works. Especially when I thought that by design and lore alone, she screamed raging dps, but nope. Then I was saying to myself, “Ok I’m hella going for Alhaitham, Dehya is said to be in the middle between him and Baizhu, and I’m still committed to getting Baizhu since 1.3. Let’s see how she does when she releases and hopefully I’ll look at her for a rerun.” Then comes the live stream, she’ll be a standard character- 🙊. Now this is definitely different from Tighnari, cuz when I got him from losing a 5050 after skipping him for Cyno, I don’t consider that a loss at all Tighnari is a bEAST with it and for me not ever have been much a bow character person says a lot. Sorry this is long, but I just want to say I understand the frustration and it should be objectively heard out without getting overly sensitive and deffensive of one’s own biases. Even though, I admit, I had my sights on others around her, hence why I’m not as emotionally involved as those who were focused on Dehya and no one else, I agree with a many of the points made.
I feel like Recently every new character feels like they have way too many issues and unless you have multiple 5 star units that fix those issues, you cant really use the new units, I think people who care about the game and wanted better experience realized thats not gonna happen, so they dont really care about game anymore and therefore dehya doesnt matter Also I realized that usually people who say game is easy and doesnt matter if character is bad are those who dont even level up characters and barely have any builds for characters
You know what, I noticed that too. A lot of the people I've seen saying "the game is easy" have mentioned that their characters are below level 80 sometimes less than 70. They also like to say that they don't even know how to build characters as if that's something to brag about. Units being designed recently have suffered from Kujou Sara syndrome. Their problems are so obvious that they HAVE to be put in place on purpose and the only way to fix those problems is by pulling more and getting their constellations, a lot of times as much as C6.
That proves their point though. The game is so easy that you can literally beat it with the trashiest build and no investment. So it doesnt matter in the end. In other gachas if you dont have a perfect build or good team comp/units you wont even be able to clear late game main story content let alone the actual endgame side content. Thats not the case with genshin at all.
@@lawfulgoodnun1646 no, the people who say game is easy and dont build their characters, usually are strugling with the game, they say characters dont have to be strong, yet they never even got to floor 12 of the abyss, because they cant complete floor 11, and when it comes to weekly bosses, they always ask other players to help them out cause they cannot complete them alone, they keep saying that Sumeru is hardest region when it comes to enemies so far, meanwhile for me it feels like a downgrade to Inazuma in terms of how easy the enemies are, they are strugling with the game, keep saying " I wish I will be able to complete spyral abyss one day", and when you say that certain character does not work and has way too many issues and is uncomfortable to play, they say that the same character is perfectly fine and game is easy
It's almost like these people are afraid the game will do away with the F2P model and become a subscription model based game if they demand a skip button and some endgame. That's the only explanation for these people to defend Hoyo to this extent. Which means they are all kids who do not understand how the world works. When I become a parent in the future, I am not giving my kids social media until they learn enough social awareness regarding how the world and these businesses work. Cause these kids are being a freaking embarrassment to themselves and the community and their parents probably aren't even aware of what they are doing.
Hoyo/Genshin made soo many splitted community that we can do civil war between them lol. I pretty much agree with the end game content/and dehya need fix. Even when I play it more casually. Replayable is a good thing for the game. When it's as big as genshin.
I 100% agree with this video (especially yae banging raiden), finally someone not scared to tell the truth ! I hope this gets more views, you deserve it and so she does.
Honestly I really hope that all the leaks about her numbers turn out to be wrong because I think with a few tweaks to the numbers of her skills she could be very viable as a off field pyro application for her as in giving her skill more up time via a shorter cool down and having it apply pyro more frequently she could function as a good off filed pyro applicator with the ability to do some burst damage if this was that cases I could see her working reasonably well with other existing characters like ayato or ganyu for example I don't know how likely this is to happen but I believe with a few changes to the numbers for her kit she could prove to be a good unit obviously not a stand out but a good one nonetheless we'll have to wait to see the state she releases in tho
Nice video. One thing - all the time we are getting drip marketing just before release of new character, it's just standard practice. Nothing surprising about Kaveh and Baizhu drip marketing, it's just as always.
This video just feels like another fire to the flame with only some though put into it. People not caring if a character is "shit" is bad, but when "shit" barely means anything since there's a lot of people who will call anything that isn't +S tier "shit" or "bad". The only worth while discussions that need to be made is when characters do actually get released and then when people actually get their hands on a character their opinion actually means something and we don't have another kokomi, shenhe, or al-haitham (which came about when genshin lowered his scaling which seemed bad to people only because they didn't even have him and overreacted because he was nerfed) situatuion where people call them unfun or bad. Not to mention when there is something people don't like about the game people do actually complain about it (happened with Zhongli ,Faruzan being constellation dependent, ect...) unlike this idea that the community is complacent. Sure would it be nice if all characters were +S tier, sure, but realistically that's never going to happen meaning some characters won't be the next meta defining character or even as strong as preexisting characters which is just reality when you have a game that has to try and make characters different and not just copy and pastes of already strong characters. The chances of Mihoyo actually making "slap you in the face" character is farfetched. Now are every character perfect? No, of course not, there are alot of characters that could be improved...but all the characters still can comfortably complete all the content in the game which is all they have to really need to do even if they aren't as seamless or as powerful as they could be. As much as you don't like it Genshin is a game that continues to add new characters, items, artifacts, ect... and will sometime be made to make other characters better. Is that necessarily great? Not really, but it's not something that is really bad either. It the equivalent of buffing characters that might have been middle of the pack to more viable which is a good thing. Would it have been better if characters were just as strong without new additions? Sure, but that's never going to happen in a game that is constantly updating and adding new things. It the reason why niche supports exist which are a controversial topic but is also the reason characters who weren't as up to par as they once were are even better (for example Xiao before new artifacts and Faruzan). Much to your dismay as well some characters might end up working with character from the future WAY better then the ones now and that is something that will happen whether you like it or not especially when the game has a whole time line for this stuff and needs to fit in characters within said timeline. No character is a waste or worthless since they all have there spot, now is it unfortunate if a character isn't as strong as someone hoped, or their playstyle isn't as fun as they thought or expected? Yeah but it isn't the downfall/end of days for genshin this video makes it sound to be. It isn't even necessarily a bad thing since this can always go the other direction where people who didn't care about said character actually likes them more then thought and actually uses them. Chinese and English mobile gaming culture are different that is simply a fact. Genshin is fairly casual focused. Would Genshin benefit greatly from leaning toward a more hardcore focused audience? yes and no. For the people who want that stuff it would be a blessing for more casual players it might put them off when there's too much to do and they don't have time to sink themselves into all of it and then they slowly drift which happens a lot and is actually enough of concern for mihoyo to not implement it. There really isn't a right or wrong answer here and the arguments about it don't really mean much. It really is all in the hand of mihoyo to decide on how they want to handle that and the way they go about it and the pros and cons that will come out of it and who they will listen to in the end. Its also worth mentioning that they have answered questions about endgame content saying that they don't really see themselves making anything like that since other content like the spiral abyss isn't actually played that much by most of the player base and so on. Now could that change their mind? Maybe, but we'll just have to wait and see. Though making strawmans and pretending to be a chad and everyone else a beta about this stuff is just cringe. Also genshin announcing characters before the release of the new patch has been the norm for months (years? I don't actually recall when they started to do this) at this point idk why this was even a point. They've been doing this to get to it before the leakers share beta footage since they'd rather reveal their own contents then them. The 4 stars are mid though, having bennett is nice but the others are that great but they do have to show up at somepoint since you cant just have some 4 stars sideline forever (unless they're the starter lisa , kayea and amber for some reason).
I accidentally pulled her on my 10 wish while at 16 pity while trying to get a Bennet to finally have a C1 bennet. The game gave me Barbara with Dehya to put salt on my wound. I did get benny after 20 more pulls but yeah I am an F2P player who was saving for Baizhu or Nahida so yeah... thats 26 wishes gone for me tho I am not really sad right now. The thing is I love Dehya as a character and yeah maybe I wont be able make use of her wich sucks and I am still very much angry about that but I do have 3 stacked teams lined up already so I kinda feel comfort in at least having another character that I like. I know she will get thrown into the standard pool after her banner but still The amount of 5 stars I get is veeery limited and getting her from loosing a 50/50 is not a big chance. I dont have to build anybody right now so I am gonna build her so I can play with her whenever I want to. Thankfully I got Wolf's Gravestone wich is a weapon I accidentally got and a weapon that almost destroyed my Chances of getting Kazuha. Thankfully RNG was on my side on my 46th wish :).
10:42 Wasn't the Zhongli Buff spurred on by the CN community getting mad that their country's representation in the game (Liyue) had their Archon was not doing alot of damage even though he was marketed as a support? (Unless Im am wrong... 🤔 I think the idea was that they didnt like the idea of Zhongli being marked as 'weak; and translated that to their country being weak and got upset)
Yes the Zhongli buffs came from community backlash. It's hard to say whether it was ONLY from CN backlash though because many people from many communities were complaining not JUST CN. His shield and damage were mediocre as shit and the only people ok with his state were whales. Also yes, the buffs made to Zhongli are strongly believed to have come from the fact that Liyue is Genshin's interpretation of China and having Zhongli be weak would imply that China, or its god, are weak. It's difficult to say how much of an impact anyone had on the situation and even more difficult to credit the result to solely CN.
Funny some people call Yae was great because it wasn't it took another next patch where Ayato banner for her to be decent with him because Ayato best team was only electro charge team before Dendro was release. Dehya is a real vitcim of bad design kit and only proves other player from Mihoyo games before Genshin out that the dev don't know what they are making which will lead to hit or miss character. Edit : Also about they only listen to CN community is not fully true, there is multiple forums already stated CN player are also rely on Global player to get their words listen hell remember the 1st anniversary shit show? Where both side was rightfully angry? Thanks to the review bombing in Google store it gave CN player glimpse of hope so few patch later the disgrutled player decide to make a revenge act to the dev by report the game via a certain Chinese Fem community so the dev taste their own medicine. So it quite works well, so in general as long CN player hear a little uproar related to their own concerns that is enough fuel for them. Hell the fact that the leaker were right she is bad only gives the vibe that the inly trustable source is these leaker and that is something Mihoyo dev don't want to make but too bad there is more people againts them than support them.
Holy shet is it refreshing to hear someone speak without filters for once. God damn man. I will never understand how there's people that are fine waiting ages for their favorite character to come out, just for them to be dogshet. I love Dehya's character design but does it need to stop there? I want to love the gameplay too. It shouldn't be a rare thing to like both the character design and the kit, and even tho I really love her look, I'm definitely skipping her with how the banner looks and all. The only character I wished for that had a kit that didn't click with me was Yae Miko, but thankfully Dendro makes her feel better (even tho the E still feels clunky as shet, I wish it had i-frames or poise or something)
this vid deserves a million views. been a while since anyone spoke their truth besides mtashed and teccy edit- 13:00 i fucking love you thank you for saying. i swear this is the most realist shit ever
I played Genshin since October 2021, and I've been passionate, too. I loved the characters, loved the story, loved that it was relatively easy to understand compared to other games I've been playing at the time, which had overwhelmingly difficult mechanics. Genshin, at the time, was a relief, and I had friends playing the game. so all was well. Dehya was a horrible disappointment. I never even planed to pull for her, even if she had been good, but it still affected me, because Dehya herself is not the problem. she is the symptom of a problem, which is possibly the beginning of a downward spiral. Hosoverse's silence upon the matter killed my passion for the game, and I jumped ship. My playtime in the last few weeks was probably less than 3 hours altogether, and that's being generous. Nothing will change, though. Dehya made decent sales, with people going as far as to pull her c6.
Yeah you'll always get people that C6 R5 characters no matter what because to them it's their "waifu". Not much anyone can do about them tbh. From what I'm looking at, banner sales were legitimately fucking awful but it's hard to say if awful to me is awful to Hoyo. It's one of those things that you can only speculate on. However I doubt being the lowest selling double banner in the history of the game is something they'll ignore, especially since the majority of those sales come from a character that was extremely hyped up since the introduction of Sumeru. I've also fallen out of love with the game and I still play it and on and off but I get you. All we can do is hope there are better times ahead.
"Dehya is fine, the game is easy anyway . . . . I dont mind getting her later" This, this is the problem Being on standard banner is her problem, people think Dehya's kit is fine as there is no effort for them to get her
Imagine being a first time player and getting her as the very first 5 star...... Reroll for sure... But you've linked your account to your mail and don't know very well how Hoyolab account works ☠️
Honestly I gave up about all of this a long time ago since Yoimiya. It's happend so long that I can't take it anymore so I just quit around 2.8. I came back and leave again during 3.4 cause nothing seems to change. It's not just about community standard but yeah this is one of the huge factor.
God. I was so frustrated during Yoimiya launch. She's in a way better spot now but at the start she had legit glaring issues but playerbase was split in half between feeling frustrated (especially following Ayaka) versus the other half who kept saying she's not that bad and to stop doomposting...Then, I don't know when it happened, but "mid" became a triggering word and means bad, when it is just average??? And shame on anyone who calls a character that now. We can only call them "not bad" and "still usable" and "ok". We can't say bad or mid anymore. Everyone is good even if they aren't that good. Personally I don't care if my character is called mid if it's true. But to knock people down for saying that and shut your ears to critique is just dumb.
I agree with some of what you said in this video but I don't see how the drip marketing could seen as damage control. Even if it was released earlier than usual it always goes like this. The drip marketed character/s draw the eyes of the community away from the upcoming banners for a time and some people decide that they've been waiting their whole life for that character and forget about the soon to be released one. It happens every single time 15:15 OK that has to be joke right? That is the most twitter shit ever...
I realized I didn't give my opinion so let me just say that Deyha being bad would have been devastating to me if I had avoided leaks and she took me by surprise. I was willing to skip every single other Sumeru character for her... And I really hope the banner does so poorly they never do this shit again. But as you said it seems like they're actually TRYING to tank her banner so the whole situation is just doomed
@@Links-ghost Take the whitewashing however you want. Other people have let me know that the showcase for newer characters is typical around this time so it really WAS my conspiracy brain acting up and just seeing shit that wasn't there. I don't spend too much time on Genshin twitter so I didn't know that this was typical that was my bad.
a good summary of the situation, and you probably forgot plenty of other stupid shits said by people. like "china hates dehya" or "china is racist" while bilibili is full of dehya videos with tens of thousands of upvotes. people are way too forgiving about mihoyo. also : - there were a few creators on youtube whose videos were striked by mihoyo (not just leaks, but also videos talking bad about dehya). - and since today, posts talking about "fixing dehya" are now deleted on the official reddit. I'm not sure if that's just the reddits mods that are sick to see those messages of if that's mihoyo that asked them to remove those messages, I can't say.
im quite agreed to this been f2p over a year and stopped being f2p a month ago buy a couple welkin and battlepass you know for dehya sistuation tho, id pull her (i did get/build her) i always wanted to have her since she first appear in archon quest 3.0 after 5 patches later dehya's now reveal and people's say she's might be the worst 5 star ever made and im actually ok with that, i guess in my own way of playing genshin i just wanna have new character to have fun with
I will say, as someone who wants more endgame, or at the very least better forms of repeatable, or heaven forbid, longform content. If you dont want to do that content, you dont have to. It should exist purely from a creativity standpoint, to do if you LIKE it. I played the crap out of Warframe, and it has its game modes I enjoy and ones I despise. I dont do the ones I dont like. Interception, is boring as hell, and I despise it. When i do have to interact with it for a quest, I cheese it with Octavia or Vauban. And then I go off to the modes I enjoy. How hard is it to understand you DONT have to interact with the parts of the game you dont enjoy. I like survival modes, I wish Genshin had something like that, they have a wonderful foundation system with elemental reactions and team building. And I get to engage with that system for an hour every couple weeks clearing abyss. What am I building my characters for, what is the point of resin and artifacts if I have nothing outside of Abyss to use it on? And being told by countless casuals to just go find some other game, because im ruining their casual game? I cant. There literally isnt another game. I want to engage in an element system like Genshins, with similar combat. That game doesnt exist, as far as im aware. The closest I'll get in terms of element combos is Pokemon, and thats not what im looking for. I enjoy Pokemon, but its turn based. I dont want turn based. I want active effort. Like Warframe. But Warframe doesnt have a live element system like genshins. There are elements but it only combines on the weapon, not on the enemy. So it doesnt matter how much Heat and Cold I put on an enemy, they will never combine into Blast. (also im heavily burnt out of warframe, playing a game for a decade will do that to you, doesnt matter how fun it is, and warframe is quite fun once you get into the thick of it) The foundation is so ridiculosouly solid, and they wont do anything with it. Its disappointing. If you know a game that does what Genshin does, where it has an active combat system and has a live element system, do tell me. I would love to go play it.
I'm so glad I quit this game and it's community really helped me understand politics... Like how people can be so welded to something they'll support it no matter what, and then make you look insane. This was the first gacha I played. Has some really good elements in it but, overall, it's pretty vacant because it won't improve past it's profit motive. And intentionally putting or keeping dumb, frustrating things in this game is part of the design. Never again.
Gotta stop you for a second. I didnt go for yae miko either at the beginning ( mainly because i was waiting for other characters ). But now that i have her. She does a lot of off field dmg. And that's besides using her as a burst sub dps. I also often use her E refreshing to dodge attacks wich save stamina. And i use her on a thundersoother set ( she got from keqing ). In a Raiden, Yae miko, Xianling, bennet overload team. You could offcourse argue that fischl support could fullfill that just as good. But i was happily supprised at how easy she is too use and the amount of dmg she does.
@@luminous3558 The person wasn't even using Yae in dendro though. Yae in general is just a great character that everyone dom posted initially at release.
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Thank you. It is beyond frustrating seeing so many people dismiss this whole ordeal like it's nothing. I also waited and saved for six months, only for Hoyoverse to spit in my face. They'll never get my money or trust ever again.
Yes. Because what we need more of is being frustrated over the smallest and most insignificant things. Do you people have so much free time that you can go around and be angry at people who want to pull Dehya.
@@kawaiimika7974 it's not those people, it's the people saying "it's fine, don't complain". clearly didn't watched the video, aiyo...
As u should, I've also decided to stop spending for this game, they've lost any and all respect from me
Hoyo might be free to decide how they want their game to look like buts I'm also free to decide if they're worth giving money to
@@kawaiimika7974 You're barking up the wrong tree. I AM one of those people who want to pull Dehya, and I'm going to later today. If someone really wants her, they should go for her, but they deserve to know the state of things before spending their hard-earned primos. If they don't care about her problems and want her anyway, that's totally fine. The people who get mad at people pulling for Dehya are assholes. I love her character and I prioritize fun over meta, but her apparent state on release is inexcusably poor to the point of looking intentionally bad. I'm not angry at Dehya wanters, I'm frustrated at those who dismiss legitimate criticism, because telling the devs it's okay to give us garbage is bad for the game in the long run. If there's no backlash, we can expect more dysfunctional kits like Dehya's in the future. I hope she's at least fun to play around with.
Join the f2p club, I used to whale on this game but I decided to be f2p since that end game ordeal
Finally someone who are sane in this community speaking up without sugarcoating for overly sensitive babies, i thought im crazy for not accepting hoyo treatment, i witness so many stupid comments, people defending dehya, accepting how she is and how the game condition without demanding more, thank you sir
The "community" did the exact same when people who liked gameplay and engaging content complained about genshin and their "let's not induce more anxiety" situation, it's pathetic, it's like they don't want the game to improve just because they "hate" that other people are complaining about it, there are even those same dumbasses commenting in this video as well
Most people don't care, there not playing the game for meta, they stick to the character is hot, like 99% of the player base, nothing will change that.
The idea that something on a *standard* banner should be expected to be terrible because it's on a *standard* banner really tells me that folks have pretty terrible *standards* for some things.
Yep, especially since standard banner characters are not all bad either. Jean is nice, Mona is BIS in freeze forever and Thignari is fairly strong and gets rly rly strong with constelations.
Ty, this is exactly how i've been feeling seeing these arguments for years, not just for Dehya.
Finally is someone in the Genshin community actually spoke out of about this without sugercoating it the fact people are okay with defending a multi billion dollar for giving us a shitty product and actively defend it just the most pathetic bootlicking shit I have ever seen.
"finally" dawg, every major CC has been complaining about her. What are you even saying LMAO are we watching the same people?
@@justsomeguy727 "We watching the same people?" Probably not, since you're not the center of the world, and they don't have the same watch history as you. Your "every CC" is not the same as their "every CC," and this comment was made before Dehya's release.
Nowadays, we can't even say anything bad about a character before getting bashed for doomposting and calling characters mid like it's a bad thing and how the game has no endgame/single player so we don't need anything good - mid/bad is enough. It's so frustrating, especially for paying players. I don't even ask for powercreep, just good is enough, but this is unjustifiable. Yet people can still defend this.
Its a fact their is no endgame
RIGHT and ppl r like “anyone can be good if u build them right” no.. a character’s kit doesn’t change i don’t care if you can get godly artifacts just to make her do 300k or whatever rng sucks and no one was talking about damage dehya’s kit is just terrible
About the endgame thing, it makes me so angry to see people complaining about it. Like, endgame can be made optional and if you dislike it just don't play it, but don't stop others from playing it.
Preaching to the choir from my angle. This playerbase is its own worst enemy.
what do you expect in people who worship nonexistent people like a messiah?
I mean, people can't see themselves unless there is a reflection or a mirror.
Wrong. Game IS NOT easy anymore. This abyss proves it. This abyss kicked away so much weak teams. We reached the point where we should care about characters power.
My second team for abyss is literally just Rational. Only have 2 other built 5 stars, Hu Tao and zhongli, and they carry team one with diona and kaeya. Pulling 3 five stars over several years isn’t hard.
almost nobody does the abyss and no one is gonna wish for a character just do 36 star it every week Quit trying I am not asking for characters to be op im asking for them to make characters that are fuqing good not broken like deyah
@@chiakinanami965 Abyss is the only gameplay genshin ever have. Not exploration. Not quests. Not dailies. Not even events(except some combat ones).
Abyss is the only genshin's game.
@@Dubstep_Gun If what you mean by "game" is a challenge then yeah you're right but I still enjoy fighting bosses cuz some of them do give me hard time even with ultra meta characters
But saying the abyss is the only gameplay there is, I greatly disagree.
@@swegypunchymany4717he isn't all the way wrong though outside of events, fishing and tcg. Nothing is actually as challenging as it should be like abyss.
The way people use CN as a shield for their opinions is crazy. Then these same people will hold it against us for "harassing" kokomi's VA when it literally happened on a Chinese website
The EN community is a split mess. China has the largest population in the world and they also just play gacha games more. But I'm supposed to believe their entire community has no disagreement over endgame, or character strength. Okay.
Cn is also a split mess but in different ways. During haitham beta, cn community was in an uproar together against mhy, then it suddenly turned into infighting for stupid reasons. Luckily Haitham turned out good. Sadly, Dehya was not so fortunate.
And yes the VA harrassing part is insane.
It's almost as if a lot of gamers online are lowkey sociopathic in nature and wanna unleash their pent up frustrations on other people over video games or something.
Ironicly the CN people also said they rely on Global uproar regarding Dehya.
Im a 1.0 ar60 player and i can easily 36 star abyss, but even I still have standards.
I don't and won't pull shit or mediocre characters even though i can.
Hoyoverse dropping Baizhu drip(a character people have been waiting for TWO YEARS) early is definitely damage control 🤷♀️ it has to be
Oh so what was the other times they showed next banner characters were.
More like Baizhu has long been planned to be released with Sumeru, Dehya got in the way and since they need to release at least ONE bad character from the said region of the game, they chose Dehya. I hope my words are understandable, I'm not a native english speaker.
@@BulletSponge71436 no that's a lie dehya is only bad if she hurts your account and can't clear content. Which she can because dps Barbara exist
@@eddieboston6540 So you're defending Dehya's situation? Damn, I'm not going to argue with someone who is so complacent.
@@BulletSponge71436 I see nothing wrong with her everyone shitting on her is mad she not meta. Dehya was never going to be as powerful as a limit banner unit. Would I like her to have higher numbers yes but hoyo has on multiple units made them base on something in the future. Plus I don't give a shit about info that comes from a god damn beta.
Hoyo got real cocky this time
Videos like these open my eyes and help me find the strength to resist giving these people money
So thank you Lak
I know resisting the urge to pay is tough, best of luck to you man
@Lak thanks man 👍
"They spit in your face and ask for your money"
That's exactly why they can forget I'll ever give them a single $ until they fix Dehya. If they never will it's not my problem, I have ton of characters and 36* abyss on weekly basis already
That's the perfect attitude to have, if more people thought the same way then we wouldn't be in this mess.
This is like some findom shit.
You're preaching. Honestly one of the most solid videos on Dehya since this war started.
Great video, it so bad how much people tryng to defend the awful state of dehya. Waifu>meta should not be an argument when the character is so bad even in overworld. Worst is people saying she is not that bad and should not be compared to other units
Whenever "no more endgame content" argument comes, it probably is because of bad it feels the dps check of abyss. Of course if the only endgame that exists its very bad designed it would make them dont want more of it.
Out of all the languages this guy chose to speak facts frfrr
Yes! Thank you it’s a shame so many people are just complacent with straight garbage or underwhelming characters.
Is genshin y'all's first gacha or something?
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@@justsomeguy727it doesn't take a genius to figure out everything should take criticism, just because this is an accepted form of life destroying addiction gambling doesn't mean it's right.
When I saw a top upvoted post on reddit about how "endgame would cause powercreep" I lost hope in the community. They hate endgame so much that they're actively trying to make sure it doesn't happen.
Whenever I argue with people on reddit about endgame, they always either get to them giving up and saying:
1. Well if it doesn't have rewards, nobody will play it anyways! So they shouldn't add it!
2. People will still ask mihoyo for more! They'll never be satisfied, so they shouldn't even bother!
I really feel like there's no way to explain this behavior other than that they just want us to suffer. They're "waifu" got criticized for being mid and they just made it their life's mission to spite players who enjoy combat.
Yes, Mhy is doing such a good job of reverse powercreep. Just look at my girl Dehya. 😂
Honestly here is my solution to the kind valid point 1:
Make alternative Endgame content.
The core of the argument is that Gacha games have a sort of F2P gem allowance for how much premium currency you can possibly get for free per month.
You can see this in most months coming to about the same amount of F2P primos and when something permanent is added like the "1 pull per archon quest" you will see less events being run that patch or those events all losing a bunch of gems.
600 Gems are currently in the Spiral abyss every 2 weeks, assuming 5ish week patches its about 10 pulls per patch.
Here is how to fix endgame without putting more of the easily accessible event gems as rewards for endgame:
Make a sorta "Bi Weekly Difficult content" permanent event that allows you to do something else instead of Spiral abyss to earn your 600 gems, such as new endgame content, TCG and other stuff that currently falls under "too hard but no reward".
Could even make Coop endgame content under that model because you are not forced to do everything, just 1 thing you like.
Its been 2 years and the challenge of this game has been getting easier and easier to the point where most events are googoo gaga mario party mini games and very little actual combat stuff.
At this point genshin has solidified itself as a casual story game with no endgame. Hardcore players are not welcomed and they are not catered to by mihoyo.
I think wishing genshin will ever get better is a lost cause at this point.
You pretty much just have to accept that it will be nothing more than a coomer bait googoo gaga game, and you must decide to either drop the game completely or play it casually as intended.
All they really need as a reward structure for new endgame content is some kind of special cosmetic reward. Give players a golden crown or fairy minion or something Lord knows they barely do anything on that front to start with. It's cheap to implement, and the toxic casual side won't have to complain about not being able to earn some resources
ohhhh yes they def set her up and cyno too, i cant believe barbara
The banner is incredibly shit, they could've given her Candace at least but they just HAD to put her with 2 free units and benny boy. I hope Dehya is the most busted character we've ever seen and the leaks are wrong because fuck this is sad.
@@lak9292 from how the genshin discord channels I'm in have been going on, they love her, one guy even made a video of him using dehya to one shot a boss.
@@gidi3250 About what I expected, the stans were gonna be this way regardless so I try my best not to think about them.
The biggest thing that concerns me is how they will handle Fontaine characters and any future characters. The Fontaine Nation is the one I'm most excited for and if they pull another "Dehya" situation into any characters from there (Especially ones that interest me), I plan to quit by the time Natlan is around the corner. I enjoy the game...but I'm getting really sick of all this...
Same, as time goes on it gets harder and harder to justify continuing to play the game. Regardless. I really hope they don't fumble Fontaine's character line up. Sumeru, at least in my eyes, fell extremely short in the character quality department and I really hope that doesn't happen again.
Unfortunately, it seems the majority of people will eat that shit up and there's nothing we can do about that. The most we can do is hope that if and when the time comes, the right people will make noise and get things to improve. Let's hope for the best.
As I saw the trailer and seeing some players wanting Navia being a great geo character, probably she will be the first 5 star geo in the standard banner.
The genshin community has been in the gutter since the interview hell I’d argue before that even
The only difference is that dehya finally made everyone realize it.
i skipped al haitham for dehya i am in SHAMBLES
you have so little subscribers for such a content. respect
Holy shit you spoke the truth and nothing but the truth.
I wish there were mor people like you on the community
The "Hoyoverse only listens to the CN side of the community" part is probably because of the Zhongli buff back in 1.3(?)
And people should know that they shouldn't "Prove the metaslaves wrong" with C6R5 and a showcase team, and cope that everything is ok. That also hurts the whole community since Hoyo would think that everything they throw is fine. You could say that to Aloy but she isn't as hyped up as Deyha.
Also, if you want to send a message, not pulling, especially not topping up, is way better to do since they are sales-driven. If the sales are low, they will think twice about releasing a third-rate character. They had avoided this because they put her at the standard banner because I think they know the sales are going to be dogsht. Yet these "Prove the metaslaves wrong" simps decided to whale for their cause(not saying you shouldn't whale just because she is bad but if your reason is to prove someone wrong, you need help.) . If you are a waifu>>meta person, you wouldn't prove them wrong in the first place since you don't care about her kit and numbers.
to add more info about the zhongli buff, some cn did complain about zhongli being representitive about xi xing pin or whatever his name was. but zhongli buff in 1.3 wasn't because of cn nationality but it's more about false advertising and china can hold them accountable about that thro legalisations and such "trailer zhongli don't match gameplay, it displayed c4+ zhongli while c0 zhongli can't do any of this" they later fixed the video and buffed zhongli to calm the problems, so yea mhy had a way to pressures. eitherway, mhy or any other game listen to money more than any post or pitition or riot can ever do
I like how so many comments are like "thank you finally someone who's validating my feelings!" As if every major content creator hasn't voiced their grievances with this character and still are even to this very day. I support y'all's cause and such but man, the level of vindication-seeking some of you do is really something else. This video isnt some weird outlier. It's very much what a majority of people that are active on *any* social platform for this game think / say.
It's just people feeling relieved that others are trying to bring attention to the situation don't read too much into it.
The crowd that says," ACTUALLY, Dehya is amazing and you guys are just dumb and don't know how to build her," are popular NOW and will continue to grow after her banner is gone. Every day that has gone by I've seen more and more of them. There may be a lot of noise now but soon there won't be anything and everyone who agrees with me and other content creators will become the minority once again.
i dont even want damage, i just want them to increase the interrupt resistance to the full duration of her skill and the displace ability to refresh the skill. damage isn't always everything i get that. bug god damn whats up with that skill
Yup most people are in the camp of "I can make do with no damage just make her a great support / Define her role and make her do well in that role". Unfortunately not even Hoyo seems to know what her purpose is and even owners of C6 Dehya are underwhelmed because her kit is so awkward.
Very well said. I've been looking forward to her for months too, and her whole situation has pissed me off so much. They've done nothing but spit in our faces with this.
I was F2P for a while, but I recently started buying the Welkin again to both support Hoyo and get some extra pulls. After this whole ordeal, waiting for months only to get shafted at every opportunity, I'm not giving them any money ever again. I'm honestly not enjoying the game at all right now because of everything - they just don't seem to care. The community as a whole needs to be more upset about this, even if they don't care about Dehya personally. If it can happen to her, it can happen to anyone. We deserve better.
I put a decent bit into this game and I didn't have all the standard characters for over a year and a half
For someone both paying and playing less than me, how long do you think it'll take them?
"Standards are easy to get" is a myth. Oh yes, it is easier to get standards -in general-. But a *specific* standard might NEVER come your way.
I pulled her (same situation as you, "almost free-2-play". And standard banner only account. Honestly that was the sole reason i pulled her). Her damage output obviously sucks. Even for my low standards. And she should get buffed. But i don't think she's THAT bad (as a support). More useful to me personally than e.g. Diluc, Aloy or Qiqi. I know that's a really uncommon background and the current abyss is literally tailor made for her but she has a unique kit so i feel like she can do some niche stuff or work in niche situations where other characters may do the job less well. I know it sounds like a ton of copium but i don't dislike her so far personally, but i get why others would be mad especially if you were one of the unfortunate people who saved up for her and looked forward to her in advance (which i didn't).
I thought i was the only one feeling being forced-fed. Why the heck do we need to pay for a 5* which apparently have 4* treatment or even worse? Just because we love her design/lore and have been wanting such character for months? I myself waited for Yae almost 6 months then bam clunky mechanic, mediocre at C0 and got improved when dendro hits damage wised. But why do we need to wait months for a purchased character to be good? Now Dehya, since 3.0 i just pulled for Nahida and keeps the rest of my primos for her. I even swiped my card hoping to get her cons+BIS. How many more case I have to experience before they stop releasing subpar 5*? DO they feel complacent about their easy earned money so they just release whatever because he/she will sale?
Well you get your answer, they will keep doing this shit until they see their sales drop and at this point with how much money they make on other banners, they can almost keep getting away with this kind of shit, not to mention they have a legion of people who will keep defending their product.
@@jabermogwai5996 Except doing exceptionally well on day1, the sales of Dehya's and Cyno's banners have been stagnated at the low level. First week sale is roughly the same as Nilou's+Albedo's. I am sure if exclude Cyno, Dehya's banner alone would be one of the lowest sale. However, HYV was not in the position 2 years ago when they still cared about their funding. IIRC, it was at the time they fixed ZL and expanded their workforces more than 100 positions. Now they have plenty of cashflow to fund 4 or more games at the same times. So yeah we will definitely see the 5* butchering again in the future. What irritates me the most are those who keep saying Dehya is fine and accept to be taken advantages of. Do not talk about anything else, just the fact that she is as expensive as the other 5* but her kits/dmg/ multipliers is less (useful) than a 4*, is fundamentally wrong. Fun to play, good design alone can't justify the money we pay. I have her at C1R1, tried her with various teams comp so I know what i am saying.
Paying is a choice, you dont have too and you arent forced too.
@@lawfulgoodnun1646 Imagine waiting for months since Sumeru debut, dont care about other 5* just wait patiently and eagerly for Dehya. Suddenly, you have no idea what to do with your accumulated primos which is almost 85K even after pulling for Dehya. If you are not emotionally invested playing the game or pulling for a character, then it's good on you. It's not a matter of choice, it is a waste of times and emotionally hurt. Not to mention, should not we have a standard threshold of quality for an expensive 5*?
You spoke nothing but truths. The state of the community sometimes shocks me.
I can't relate with ppl who want Dehya and invest so much but turns out she's bad, I'm sorry. I just someone who pull Dehya because she's in standard character and standard character have no guarantee pull on certain character, my gacha bad, so just pull it, turns out I enjoy the gameplay despite the bad side. It's okay to feel sad & it's normal. But don't hurt yourself or even make the community feel uncomfortable. If someone want to enjoy their Dehya just let them be. I'm not a preacher so I can't give a solution. Just don't expect too much it can hurts yourself and prepare yourself if you plan on investing to certain character.
13:00 This just came to my mind, but do you know the quote: "The world ends with you?" Meaning, how big or small the world is depends on your connections with others, and your interest in making it bigger through knowledge.
If you don't care to make it bigger, you would be the center of your own world and it would end with you.
I don't like to use the world self-centered here for the negative connotation, as I think someone could consider themselves the center of their world (like a hikikomori like me ends up being, my connections with the world are very limited) and still have a cordial attitude, a humility. But it is true that the potential to be self-centered in the bad way is big here, as you are used to only care about yourself and what you want.
It is what you said at 13:31 what made me sigh, as you used that logic to mock them... and that exact thing has happened before in other games. I don't expect that it will happen to Genshin, but _is not impossible_
The case that affected me personally, was Fortnite: Save the World. I paid for a pve game with base building aspects to survive waves of zombies. Then they released their pvp side of the game and stopped developing content for a long ass time for Save the World (they pretty much have dropped it) since their priority shifted completely to cater their new playerbase.
In my case, I am a casual, because playing seriously would stress me out with all the FOMO and artifact grind brings to the table. I prefer low chance of getting a drop of fixed stats that are always the same and fit a certain build, then what we have here.
As long as the hardest content remains *optional* in the game (like Genius Invokation) I completely embrace it and want it for people who enjoy other playstyles. Just please don't force it on my throat, thank you very much.
The same thing happened to Call of Duty after warzone was created. An entirely different crowd of people started playing the game and because warzone was making more money than the base game, the base game was ignored for years and still is.
I don't like the idea of forcing people to play a certain thing so ideally, yes, any additional endgame should be optional. Think of it like the spiral abyss, you don't HAVE to participate in it but it's always there for the people who want to do it.
Genshin community has this protective close minded habit. I've been blasted for saying that Dehya will perform poorly no matter what comp you put her. It is the truth, let's not lie, I've been watching Dehya beta information the whole time and still struggled to make a comp that will make her perform better, at least.
But you can't really change those people that do no listen. It only destroys yourself, and leaves you angry. But we have to remind everyone that whatever you get now, I will get it later involuntarily. We'll both gonna suffer for the same shit that the manipulative game company gives us. It makes them confident to release another garbage.
Kinda funny that this popped up in my recommended when I quit the game after 2 months of playing it because it was so boring.
They really did her dirty Ngl. As a consumer I want better.
I don't see a reason to defend hoyo"s character kit balancing or content output but I also don't see a reason to react so childishly either. Hoyo is a company that puts out a product, you know what you're signing up for and you can buy it or not buy it. The way this outrage manifests towards this game specifically is very ... Let's be nice and say weird. If you want a certain product but it doesn't meet your standards just don't buy the product and look for one that does fulfill them , no one is forcing you to do anything. Again, companies don't owe you anything, in the same way you don't owe them anything.
Are we going start HoyoWar? I'm going to fight for my fire Goddes. TATAKAE
"Dehya is fine, the game is easy anyways" I do agree with this statement but goddamn they didn't need to make her the worst unit lmao
IKR LIKE I AM NOT ASKING FOR OP CHARACTERS I JUST WANT A FUN PLAYABLE BALANCED CHARACTER THAT ISNT DOGSHET
As for the Yae Miko discussion I do remember this back when she released. She is my favorite character ingame and I did save up for her and I got her on her first banner and mained her since. I know she was not META back then but I looked at her kit differently than what most people did and because of that I had a lot of success with her long before dendro came out. Due to her field time requirements I treat her like a damage carry as the role in the team, she may not be the driver but defenintly the carry of the team.
I remember having a discussion with someone over Yae back then and they had the opinion that Yae is just a worse Fischl in every aspect. Take the most popular taser team back then of Beidou, Kokomi, Fischl, Sucrose, Fischl's job is mainly to battery for Beidou and do off field damage with Oz. If you replace Fischl with Yae then the team will perform worse overall. That is treating Yae as an off field support and she takes time away from Beidou and Sucrose. What I ended up doing for my main Yae tam before Dendro was replace Beidou with Yae. I still get crazy AoE damage with Sucrose double swirl abuse and Yae burst but also I drop the single target weakness Beidou has. It was a strong team that easily smashed abyss. IMO Yae is not a Fischl replacement, she is meant for another role.
Don't get me wrong dendro was 100% a buff for her and I took full advantage of it if you ever see my abyss clears I posted. With Nahida I have made some shorts for very fast abyss boss clears. My latest one is Yae vs SIMON boss from 12-3 abyss, its ~2.2 mill HP done in 32 seconds which averages around 69k DPS. Yae+Nahida combo is basically broken but Yae Miko was totally viable back on release.
Dehya on the other hand.........
I am not sure what her role is meant to be, its like they mashed 3 conflicting roles into one but due to character budget she is bad in all 3. Her role to play tank, she mitigates half the damage for the team and pushes it on herself, sure she has a heal mechanic to help try to offset it but you still need a healer on the team. If you have a healer on the team you dont need Dehya anyhow. As for off field pyro application hers is just too slow and we already have far better options in the 4 stars like Thoma for burgeon or Xiangling. As for being used as a damage carry we already have many better performing characters like Yanfei, Diluc, Klee, Yoimiya, and Hu Tao. There is no role I can think of that I could argue she has a high standing in compared to other characters, especially easier to get characters. She is like Jack of all trades master of none but still does c- work at best.
I am especially sad about Dehya because she was a well hyped character and well loved by the community prior. I got friends who really looked forward to her then was sad that Hoyoverse did her dirty like this. Would be nice if they actually buff her. Make her E skill duration increased baseline for her and drop the delay on its hits from 2.5s to 1s so she can be the burgeon queen would really be nice. That or they could extend her burst to 6-8 seconds and increase her multipliers so she can match a Klee in mono pyro teams. The HP scaling increase on her c1 should also be baseline while the C1 would just amplify it. Right now attack power has higher damage scaling on her than HP does and at c0 the scaling should be near identical, add in her c1 HP should take over in better scaling.
Excuse the verbal diarrhea but Yae was still in a much better place mechanically when she released than how Dehya released.
This was basically my experience with Yae as well. Though if we get drama next year, I'm going to have to learn to ignore the community in Feb because I'm sick of the most hated characters being the March releases.
thank you, you hit every point and you are 100% accurate in everything here, especially here 12:50, there’s just too much dialogue man, I want to skip it and watch it later no biggie. Anyways sub deserved. You need some more.
This!!! By letting mihoyo get away with crappy characters and kits, and not demanding actual change they feel complacent. We’ve seen them act real quick before ( the anniversary fiasco ) it’s a shame that they have to wait for the players to feel desperate enough to resort to those type of things but back to point, by letting them release this character they’re getting a gateway to make more average characters just because they’ll be “ better than Dehya “ and cons lock them.
Does anyone that was genuinely upset about the Anniversary Rewards thing think 1600 primos and a commemorative item each year was a sufficient response? I was not someone at the time who cared all that much. I prefer good game no rewards over bad game with good rewards, although they would have been nice. I think they should have planned to do it from the start (I don't know for sure that they didn't tbh. the concert came later too), but I don't think that backlash changed much at all.
Thank you for tihs video man, honestly it hurts that hyv did this to my fav sumerean girl and half the 'fans' are just accepting the situation and tryna cope instead of actually trying to call out the corpos for their stupid mid decisions
10:16 Except that she isn't...😑
Anyway the only reason people call this game easily is if they have Zhongli and/or Kokomi. If you're a Zhongli/Kokomi main, and you call this game easy, you automatically have no say in that. I mean, good luck beating Tartaglia, Azdaha, and Raiden Shogun without either or.
Also, the fact that many people use the Waifu>Meta bullshit just proves my month old confirmation that Hoyoverse will release the WORST character, and people will pull that person anyway, just because the character is hot. Man, Hoyoverse said y'all are some simps. 😒
Well, people did say that alhaitham was dendro keqing. I don't remember anyone saying that was a bad thing because keqing became good with dendro, but I think people mistook that statement as "alhaitham = keqing therefore alhaitham = bad"
It was cause the animations looked very similar and the gameplay seemed similar at a glance too. People were hyped about him and expecting a lot after Scara's unique gameplay. It was only when Haitham came out that people started realising his gameplay is actually different. I don't see it as bad or good, just people stating what they noticed. But somehow along the way it became something bad...
@@Avraine13 Honestly people were really dumb about Al haitham. His animations maybe overlap a bit in type with Keqing but his main focus are the mirrors which are unique.
Keqing also just has really cool skill animations/types. A dash skill and big AoE burst are always cool.
I like her that I considered on pulling her but with how her kit was handled I'd rather build My C1 Diluc and C0 Keqing cause atleast they are FUNTIONAL at base not having to lose to C2 to make Dehya work.
sigh. I pulled for Dehya cuz i like her playstyle now that i see all this drama i regret pulling for her- Atleast her E works with other characters i havent even tried with bow characters
I’ve been eyeing this situation with Dehya since she was first leaked, and I have to say this is the first time in my 2yrs of playing that I got so involved with the community reception like this. Sure I was aware that Kazuha was getting smack talked and ignored because of Ayaka being the last character to come out od CBT jail, but I didn’t get that deeply involved, pulled him anyways cuz he baby boi, and now look at him. Same with Kokomi too. Even though I have yet to roll for her if I ever get the chance when she’s not close before or after some other character I was committed to prior, I never saw her as trash like how she got dumped on and her heals are amazing.
Now yes, I am one of many who have been waiting and committed to Baizhu since the 1.somethin days (I started around the end of 1.3), and as a husbando collector I was committed from the jump long before Sumeru. However, I understand the frustration of all this and even I was a little whiplashed with how her kit works. Especially when I thought that by design and lore alone, she screamed raging dps, but nope. Then I was saying to myself, “Ok I’m hella going for Alhaitham, Dehya is said to be in the middle between him and Baizhu, and I’m still committed to getting Baizhu since 1.3. Let’s see how she does when she releases and hopefully I’ll look at her for a rerun.” Then comes the live stream, she’ll be a standard character- 🙊. Now this is definitely different from Tighnari, cuz when I got him from losing a 5050 after skipping him for Cyno, I don’t consider that a loss at all Tighnari is a bEAST with it and for me not ever have been much a bow character person says a lot.
Sorry this is long, but I just want to say I understand the frustration and it should be objectively heard out without getting overly sensitive and deffensive of one’s own biases. Even though, I admit, I had my sights on others around her, hence why I’m not as emotionally involved as those who were focused on Dehya and no one else, I agree with a many of the points made.
Thank you
I feel like Recently every new character feels like they have way too many issues and unless you have multiple 5 star units that fix those issues, you cant really use the new units, I think people who care about the game and wanted better experience realized thats not gonna happen, so they dont really care about game anymore and therefore dehya doesnt matter
Also I realized that usually people who say game is easy and doesnt matter if character is bad are those who dont even level up characters and barely have any builds for characters
You know what, I noticed that too. A lot of the people I've seen saying "the game is easy" have mentioned that their characters are below level 80 sometimes less than 70. They also like to say that they don't even know how to build characters as if that's something to brag about.
Units being designed recently have suffered from Kujou Sara syndrome. Their problems are so obvious that they HAVE to be put in place on purpose and the only way to fix those problems is by pulling more and getting their constellations, a lot of times as much as C6.
That proves their point though. The game is so easy that you can literally beat it with the trashiest build and no investment. So it doesnt matter in the end.
In other gachas if you dont have a perfect build or good team comp/units you wont even be able to clear late game main story content let alone the actual endgame side content. Thats not the case with genshin at all.
@@lawfulgoodnun1646 no, the people who say game is easy and dont build their characters, usually are strugling with the game, they say characters dont have to be strong, yet they never even got to floor 12 of the abyss, because they cant complete floor 11, and when it comes to weekly bosses, they always ask other players to help them out cause they cannot complete them alone, they keep saying that Sumeru is hardest region when it comes to enemies so far, meanwhile for me it feels like a downgrade to Inazuma in terms of how easy the enemies are, they are strugling with the game, keep saying " I wish I will be able to complete spyral abyss one day", and when you say that certain character does not work and has way too many issues and is uncomfortable to play, they say that the same character is perfectly fine and game is easy
we just want dehya to be fun to play ....
we want to play her manually not auto
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Bro the medalist meme damn near killed me LOL.
It's almost like these people are afraid the game will do away with the F2P model and become a subscription model based game if they demand a skip button and some endgame. That's the only explanation for these people to defend Hoyo to this extent. Which means they are all kids who do not understand how the world works.
When I become a parent in the future, I am not giving my kids social media until they learn enough social awareness regarding how the world and these businesses work. Cause these kids are being a freaking embarrassment to themselves and the community and their parents probably aren't even aware of what they are doing.
Hoyo/Genshin made soo many splitted community that we can do civil war between them lol.
I pretty much agree with the end game content/and dehya need fix.
Even when I play it more casually.
Replayable is a good thing for the game. When it's as big as genshin.
Is it weird that I want the Kokomi abyss to comeback?
people these days are extremely pro-consumer but very anty-customer
I 100% agree with this video (especially yae banging raiden), finally someone not scared to tell the truth ! I hope this gets more views, you deserve it and so she does.
Commenting for the algorithm, this needs to blow up
Honestly I really hope that all the leaks about her numbers turn out to be wrong because I think with a few tweaks to the numbers of her skills she could be very viable as a off field pyro application for her as in giving her skill more up time via a shorter cool down and having it apply pyro more frequently she could function as a good off filed pyro applicator with the ability to do some burst damage if this was that cases I could see her working reasonably well with other existing characters like ayato or ganyu for example I don't know how likely this is to happen but I believe with a few changes to the numbers for her kit she could prove to be a good unit obviously not a stand out but a good one nonetheless we'll have to wait to see the state she releases in tho
Amazing video
GAMERS RISE UP🔥🔥🔥
Nice video. One thing - all the time we are getting drip marketing just before release of new character, it's just standard practice. Nothing surprising about Kaveh and Baizhu drip marketing, it's just as always.
This video just feels like another fire to the flame with only some though put into it. People not caring if a character is "shit" is bad, but when "shit" barely means anything since there's a lot of people who will call anything that isn't +S tier "shit" or "bad". The only worth while discussions that need to be made is when characters do actually get released and then when people actually get their hands on a character their opinion actually means something and we don't have another kokomi, shenhe, or al-haitham (which came about when genshin lowered his scaling which seemed bad to people only because they didn't even have him and overreacted because he was nerfed) situatuion where people call them unfun or bad. Not to mention when there is something people don't like about the game people do actually complain about it (happened with Zhongli ,Faruzan being constellation dependent, ect...) unlike this idea that the community is complacent.
Sure would it be nice if all characters were +S tier, sure, but realistically that's never going to happen meaning some characters won't be the next meta defining character or even as strong as preexisting characters which is just reality when you have a game that has to try and make characters different and not just copy and pastes of already strong characters. The chances of Mihoyo actually making "slap you in the face" character is farfetched. Now are every character perfect? No, of course not, there are alot of characters that could be improved...but all the characters still can comfortably complete all the content in the game which is all they have to really need to do even if they aren't as seamless or as powerful as they could be.
As much as you don't like it Genshin is a game that continues to add new characters, items, artifacts, ect... and will sometime be made to make other characters better. Is that necessarily great? Not really, but it's not something that is really bad either. It the equivalent of buffing characters that might have been middle of the pack to more viable which is a good thing. Would it have been better if characters were just as strong without new additions? Sure, but that's never going to happen in a game that is constantly updating and adding new things. It the reason why niche supports exist which are a controversial topic but is also the reason characters who weren't as up to par as they once were are even better (for example Xiao before new artifacts and Faruzan). Much to your dismay as well some characters might end up working with character from the future WAY better then the ones now and that is something that will happen whether you like it or not especially when the game has a whole time line for this stuff and needs to fit in characters within said timeline.
No character is a waste or worthless since they all have there spot, now is it unfortunate if a character isn't as strong as someone hoped, or their playstyle isn't as fun as they thought or expected? Yeah but it isn't the downfall/end of days for genshin this video makes it sound to be. It isn't even necessarily a bad thing since this can always go the other direction where people who didn't care about said character actually likes them more then thought and actually uses them.
Chinese and English mobile gaming culture are different that is simply a fact. Genshin is fairly casual focused. Would Genshin benefit greatly from leaning toward a more hardcore focused audience? yes and no. For the people who want that stuff it would be a blessing for more casual players it might put them off when there's too much to do and they don't have time to sink themselves into all of it and then they slowly drift which happens a lot and is actually enough of concern for mihoyo to not implement it. There really isn't a right or wrong answer here and the arguments about it don't really mean much. It really is all in the hand of mihoyo to decide on how they want to handle that and the way they go about it and the pros and cons that will come out of it and who they will listen to in the end. Its also worth mentioning that they have answered questions about endgame content saying that they don't really see themselves making anything like that since other content like the spiral abyss isn't actually played that much by most of the player base and so on. Now could that change their mind? Maybe, but we'll just have to wait and see. Though making strawmans and pretending to be a chad and everyone else a beta about this stuff is just cringe.
Also genshin announcing characters before the release of the new patch has been the norm for months (years? I don't actually recall when they started to do this) at this point idk why this was even a point. They've been doing this to get to it before the leakers share beta footage since they'd rather reveal their own contents then them. The 4 stars are mid though, having bennett is nice but the others are that great but they do have to show up at somepoint since you cant just have some 4 stars sideline forever (unless they're the starter lisa , kayea and amber for some reason).
I accidentally pulled her on my 10 wish while at 16 pity while trying to get a Bennet to finally have a C1 bennet. The game gave me Barbara with Dehya to put salt on my wound. I did get benny after 20 more pulls but yeah I am an F2P player who was saving for Baizhu or Nahida so yeah... thats 26 wishes gone for me tho I am not really sad right now. The thing is I love Dehya as a character and yeah maybe I wont be able make use of her wich sucks and I am still very much angry about that but I do have 3 stacked teams lined up already so I kinda feel comfort in at least having another character that I like. I know she will get thrown into the standard pool after her banner but still The amount of 5 stars I get is veeery limited and getting her from loosing a 50/50 is not a big chance. I dont have to build anybody right now so I am gonna build her so I can play with her whenever I want to. Thankfully I got Wolf's Gravestone wich is a weapon I accidentally got and a weapon that almost destroyed my Chances of getting Kazuha. Thankfully RNG was on my side on my 46th wish :).
Honestly, such a video should've been released a long time ago. Thank you for spreading wise words.
10:42 Wasn't the Zhongli Buff spurred on by the CN community getting mad that their country's representation in the game (Liyue) had their Archon was not doing alot of damage even though he was marketed as a support? (Unless Im am wrong... 🤔 I think the idea was that they didnt like the idea of Zhongli being marked as 'weak; and translated that to their country being weak and got upset)
Yes the Zhongli buffs came from community backlash. It's hard to say whether it was ONLY from CN backlash though because many people from many communities were complaining not JUST CN. His shield and damage were mediocre as shit and the only people ok with his state were whales.
Also yes, the buffs made to Zhongli are strongly believed to have come from the fact that Liyue is Genshin's interpretation of China and having Zhongli be weak would imply that China, or its god, are weak.
It's difficult to say how much of an impact anyone had on the situation and even more difficult to credit the result to solely CN.
Funny some people call Yae was great because it wasn't it took another next patch where Ayato banner for her to be decent with him because Ayato best team was only electro charge team before Dendro was release.
Dehya is a real vitcim of bad design kit and only proves other player from Mihoyo games before Genshin out that the dev don't know what they are making which will lead to hit or miss character.
Edit : Also about they only listen to CN community is not fully true, there is multiple forums already stated CN player are also rely on Global player to get their words listen hell remember the 1st anniversary shit show? Where both side was rightfully angry? Thanks to the review bombing in Google store it gave CN player glimpse of hope so few patch later the disgrutled player decide to make a revenge act to the dev by report the game via a certain Chinese Fem community so the dev taste their own medicine. So it quite works well, so in general as long CN player hear a little uproar related to their own concerns that is enough fuel for them.
Hell the fact that the leaker were right she is bad only gives the vibe that the inly trustable source is these leaker and that is something Mihoyo dev don't want to make but too bad there is more people againts them than support them.
"dendro twink" im so tired. The way you all took the word twink and RAN with it
tbh I'm not 100 percent on what it means I just thought it sounded funny
Holy shet is it refreshing to hear someone speak without filters for once. God damn man.
I will never understand how there's people that are fine waiting ages for their favorite character to come out, just for them to be dogshet.
I love Dehya's character design but does it need to stop there? I want to love the gameplay too.
It shouldn't be a rare thing to like both the character design and the kit, and even tho I really love her look, I'm definitely skipping her with how the banner looks and all.
The only character I wished for that had a kit that didn't click with me was Yae Miko, but thankfully Dendro makes her feel better (even tho the E still feels clunky as shet, I wish it had i-frames or poise or something)
Dude your vids are very well put together i hope ur channel grows more!! Also ur voice is really just nice to listen too
this vid deserves a million views. been a while since anyone spoke their truth besides mtashed and teccy
edit- 13:00 i fucking love you thank you for saying. i swear this is the most realist shit ever
FINALLY someone speaks out jeeeezzzzz
She’s meta rn. Literally number one character.
frfr Nahida who?
@@lak9292 exactly
Can I have some of that copium, please?
Don't worry guys. Hyv will pull a reverse Raidou situation on Dehya. She will work with Yelan and XQ I swear... 😷😷
I played Genshin since October 2021, and I've been passionate, too. I loved the characters, loved the story, loved that it was relatively easy to understand compared to other games I've been playing at the time, which had overwhelmingly difficult mechanics. Genshin, at the time, was a relief, and I had friends playing the game. so all was well. Dehya was a horrible disappointment. I never even planed to pull for her, even if she had been good, but it still affected me, because Dehya herself is not the problem. she is the symptom of a problem, which is possibly the beginning of a downward spiral. Hosoverse's silence upon the matter killed my passion for the game, and I jumped ship. My playtime in the last few weeks was probably less than 3 hours altogether, and that's being generous. Nothing will change, though. Dehya made decent sales, with people going as far as to pull her c6.
Yeah you'll always get people that C6 R5 characters no matter what because to them it's their "waifu". Not much anyone can do about them tbh.
From what I'm looking at, banner sales were legitimately fucking awful but it's hard to say if awful to me is awful to Hoyo. It's one of those things that you can only speculate on. However I doubt being the lowest selling double banner in the history of the game is something they'll ignore, especially since the majority of those sales come from a character that was extremely hyped up since the introduction of Sumeru.
I've also fallen out of love with the game and I still play it and on and off but I get you. All we can do is hope there are better times ahead.
Lovely video 🤍👍🙌
Never did I agree more with a Genshin video, the game is so infested with Bootlickers and hardcore casuals that get hard on from getting less
"Dehya is fine, the game is easy anyway
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I dont mind getting her later"
This, this is the problem
Being on standard banner is her problem, people think Dehya's kit is fine as there is no effort for them to get her
Imagine being a first time player and getting her as the very first 5 star......
Reroll for sure...
But you've linked your account to your mail and don't know very well how Hoyolab account works ☠️
Honestly I gave up about all of this a long time ago since Yoimiya. It's happend so long that I can't take it anymore so I just quit around 2.8. I came back and leave again during 3.4 cause nothing seems to change.
It's not just about community standard but yeah this is one of the huge factor.
God. I was so frustrated during Yoimiya launch. She's in a way better spot now but at the start she had legit glaring issues but playerbase was split in half between feeling frustrated (especially following Ayaka) versus the other half who kept saying she's not that bad and to stop doomposting...Then, I don't know when it happened, but "mid" became a triggering word and means bad, when it is just average??? And shame on anyone who calls a character that now. We can only call them "not bad" and "still usable" and "ok". We can't say bad or mid anymore. Everyone is good even if they aren't that good. Personally I don't care if my character is called mid if it's true. But to knock people down for saying that and shut your ears to critique is just dumb.
Bro... PREACH!! as a day one player too, especially the Gaslight Gatekeep part..
13:04 that too
Game is easy?! my butt, one year of playing and I can't finish floor 12 with 9 stars, what is this? 5 Star Faruzan? 5 stars should be good at c0..
I agree with some of what you said in this video but I don't see how the drip marketing could seen as damage control. Even if it was released earlier than usual it always goes like this. The drip marketed character/s draw the eyes of the community away from the upcoming banners for a time and some people decide that they've been waiting their whole life for that character and forget about the soon to be released one. It happens every single time
15:15 OK that has to be joke right? That is the most twitter shit ever...
I realized I didn't give my opinion so let me just say that Deyha being bad would have been devastating to me if I had avoided leaks and she took me by surprise. I was willing to skip every single other Sumeru character for her... And I really hope the banner does so poorly they never do this shit again. But as you said it seems like they're actually TRYING to tank her banner so the whole situation is just doomed
@@Links-ghost Take the whitewashing however you want. Other people have let me know that the showcase for newer characters is typical around this time so it really WAS my conspiracy brain acting up and just seeing shit that wasn't there. I don't spend too much time on Genshin twitter so I didn't know that this was typical that was my bad.
Based. 12:09 LMAO. You are a prophet. I saw post on reddit saying CN players believe hyv listens to global community more.
this vid is beyond based, good shit brother
I wish I lost to Jean and Keqing instead of losing to Dehya TWICE.
Atleast you can explore dragonspine now, she cannot die there EVER
Done, I've been playing since 3.6 and I 100% dragonspine@@thewanderingartists
i have been playing since day 1
and still dont have diluc
not that i want him but it proves your point
I very much appreciate that you're both pissed at Genshin simps AND for them. Neither alone is sufficient, TBH
Tbh i think dehya is the only char that i would like to be deleted from the game, to never been spoke about again lmao
a good summary of the situation, and you probably forgot plenty of other stupid shits said by people.
like "china hates dehya" or "china is racist" while bilibili is full of dehya videos with tens of thousands of upvotes.
people are way too forgiving about mihoyo.
also :
- there were a few creators on youtube whose videos were striked by mihoyo (not just leaks, but also videos talking bad about dehya).
- and since today, posts talking about "fixing dehya" are now deleted on the official reddit. I'm not sure if that's just the reddits mods that are sick to see those messages of if that's mihoyo that asked them to remove those messages, I can't say.
im quite agreed to this
been f2p over a year and stopped being f2p a month ago buy a couple welkin and battlepass you know
for dehya sistuation tho, id pull her (i did get/build her)
i always wanted to have her since she first appear in archon quest 3.0 after 5 patches later dehya's now reveal and people's say she's might be the worst 5 star ever made
and im actually ok with that, i guess in my own way of playing genshin i just wanna have new character to have fun with
Sick wallpaper.
I will say, as someone who wants more endgame, or at the very least better forms of repeatable, or heaven forbid, longform content. If you dont want to do that content, you dont have to. It should exist purely from a creativity standpoint, to do if you LIKE it.
I played the crap out of Warframe, and it has its game modes I enjoy and ones I despise. I dont do the ones I dont like. Interception, is boring as hell, and I despise it. When i do have to interact with it for a quest, I cheese it with Octavia or Vauban. And then I go off to the modes I enjoy.
How hard is it to understand you DONT have to interact with the parts of the game you dont enjoy. I like survival modes, I wish Genshin had something like that, they have a wonderful foundation system with elemental reactions and team building. And I get to engage with that system for an hour every couple weeks clearing abyss. What am I building my characters for, what is the point of resin and artifacts if I have nothing outside of Abyss to use it on?
And being told by countless casuals to just go find some other game, because im ruining their casual game?
I cant. There literally isnt another game. I want to engage in an element system like Genshins, with similar combat. That game doesnt exist, as far as im aware.
The closest I'll get in terms of element combos is Pokemon, and thats not what im looking for. I enjoy Pokemon, but its turn based. I dont want turn based. I want active effort. Like Warframe. But Warframe doesnt have a live element system like genshins. There are elements but it only combines on the weapon, not on the enemy. So it doesnt matter how much Heat and Cold I put on an enemy, they will never combine into Blast. (also im heavily burnt out of warframe, playing a game for a decade will do that to you, doesnt matter how fun it is, and warframe is quite fun once you get into the thick of it)
The foundation is so ridiculosouly solid, and they wont do anything with it. Its disappointing. If you know a game that does what Genshin does, where it has an active combat system and has a live element system, do tell me. I would love to go play it.
Realer words couldn't be said
I'm so glad I quit this game and it's community really helped me understand politics... Like how people can be so welded to something they'll support it no matter what, and then make you look insane. This was the first gacha I played. Has some really good elements in it but, overall, it's pretty vacant because it won't improve past it's profit motive. And intentionally putting or keeping dumb, frustrating things in this game is part of the design. Never again.
Gotta stop you for a second. I didnt go for yae miko either at the beginning ( mainly because i was waiting for other characters ). But now that i have her. She does a lot of off field dmg. And that's besides using her as a burst sub dps. I also often use her E refreshing to dodge attacks wich save stamina. And i use her on a thundersoother set ( she got from keqing ). In a Raiden, Yae miko, Xianling, bennet overload team. You could offcourse argue that fischl support could fullfill that just as good. But i was happily supprised at how easy she is too use and the amount of dmg she does.
Yeah after Dendro released. Yae is one of the many units that got massively fixed by dendro.
@@luminous3558 The person wasn't even using Yae in dendro though. Yae in general is just a great character that everyone dom posted initially at release.