It's ethically dubious. I like that there's an affordable alternative with the unique Fodera style, but they shouldn't use the butterfly logo and pretend to be the real thing.
I mean, could one also consider it ethically dubious for any company to be able to effectively cease means of production and limit the ability for lower popularity boutique brands to become successful in comparison?
@@pat8437 I don't think I understand, could you give an example? Is the company ceasing its own production or ceasing production of other boutique brands?
So for about 1/75 of the price you can get 70 percent of the bass. And arguably the shape is the most unique part of this bass so that's gotta be worth half the appeal. I understand people want to pay 15.000$ to have a piece of authentic luthieristic art, but don't try telling me it's 12.000$ technically better than everything else in the market. It's a piece of art, but not a portal to a different musical universe. But then again, the two most primitive guitars in production the les Paul and Stratocaster are the staples of guitar music.
That arguement could definitely be made about the highest of the high priced instruments from most boutique makers. If you get into their more entry level instruments without all the bells and whistles and compare them to the less expensive brands the extra money spent makes a complete difference. They are just a better quality product.
When you get into custom instruments like fodera you’re getting something COMPLETELY tailored to your taste. Woods, pickups, scale length. Not just a bunch of off the shelve parts. And honestly that’s not for everyone. Most people are happy with mass produced instruments, and that’s fine, but to own a custom instrument is a treat.
You might find that they have used 4 string pickups so the magnets are too far away from the B string to get much volume from it. Had a similar problem with a kit bass.
Actually, no one in China buy these fake things except idoits. We hate it. We have awesome brands like BQW, DTC, DFW,etc. You guys can check out these brands on youtube. They are worth every penny.
@Airik Luna Yeah, these $220 are good for learning and modifying but somehow they're built with wrong construction or detail for their low cost. Thus you may never be able to learn the right way to build one of your own or to modify properly. Maybe warmoth can satisfy you most! Please help us to keep the fake away! They are not good for those people who devote themselves to this career! If the $220 basses are designed by their own, I would say nothing on it!
@@Celtundrica00 As these three, you can find "dfw_custom_bass_guitar" ,"dtcbass" and "bqw_bass" on ins. Leave the comments or message directly. They will reply you nearly everyday. But I don't think BQW will reply you as he focus on building bass very much and he seldom use these platform. If you want, I can help to get his email!
well, there is no shape that looks exactly like this one at fodera, and it's just a butterfly, not their logo But some of them actually have the real logo =))))))
HAHA !! Great comment because it's TRUE ! They went for the gold and said fuck it, if we do it, we may be the new "MIJ" status, so there's no downside.
@@chadbierman8058 straight out the box it had a little buzzing due to the fret leveling was a little high . I took mine to Guitar center and had the fretboard and truss rods adjusted . China Bass Guitars are Good for upgrading and depending on the climate change and area youre in ,You should get great sound. I took the liberty of having EMG45DC pick ups installed along with the EMG BQS 5 Knob preamp system as well so yes they are worth the trouble.
Hey, I know it's been 3 years but, could you tell me what Chinese company you ordered the FAKE FODERA from? I'd still buy one and put all new guts in it.
You get what you pay for. There's just no way around it. You pay up front or you pay in the end to correct the very thing you were trying to save money on. I had to learn that the hard way.
Why by copies? Even made in China? You can get a better-sounding bass, not a Fodera, for $250. Fodera should find ways to sue those folks who are copying its products.
Pity you've recorded this with a camera/phone/laptop mic, it'd prob sound a lot better recorded direct and with finger playing not slapping the heck out of it. I always think that slapping and popping makes all basses sound terrible. Most of these Chinese basses are ok, it depends where you buy them from. But they almost all need a bit of work, some just a decent setup, like almost any expensive bass would. I have two lefty 5 string jazz basses off AliExpress and they're both usable, the one is actually pretty good. I sold all my Ibbys and Corts after that coz they sounded lousy and they had some bad dead spots.
I mean, im impressed by the quality this seems to be, but even still, would you want to own a fake ferrarri? owning the real thing is kinda the whole point no?
One thing that ruins the illusion for me is the tuner holes are mis-located, so the strings are not straight. Every Ali bass I have seen online gets that wrong.
Spend $219 on ALMOST any bass and you'll be swapping electronics anmaybe some neck work. I've been thinking of ordering a knock off. Where did you order from?
See what a Mike Pope preamp cost, that's what the real fodera bass has. I guess when you go the cheap route, you better have some standby cash ready to go, cause practically every Chinese copy of American high end basses almost always have some disappointing electronic issues. When you spend $2-$350, if you have to spend maybe $500, more, you still came out good. A real fodera cost ( depending on model) cost $5 - $7000 dollars 😢
I've never ordered a bass that was wired wrong...that's pretty bad and not worth it. If I buy a bass, I want it to work from the start. It does look cool, though.
And continuing destroying the world forest to 'hancraft' those kind of crapy shit, making people beleive every body have the right & budget to eat Caviar and drive a Maserati on a daily basis... humans rights ;-(
219 dollar bass which messes company's image from your country. Good fucking job for promoting counterfeiters xDDDD I hope that you're proud of yourself.
If it didn't have the trademarked butterfly logo, I'd be cool with it. I wouldn't buy one, but I wouldn't be all keyboard warrior "but it's an illegal counterfeit" about it either.
raise the action to stop the fret buzz and string rattle... It would sound decent. The string action is too low and any bass with action set like tha which allows string rattle and buzzing at the frets sounds terrrible, and no matter the craftsmanship or price.
Just in case anyone cares, music used to be about playing worthwhile music and one's ability to do so. Great music is not at the mercy of inexpensive guitar copies. A good musician can make a cheap guitar sound fine. A very expensive guitar can't help the unmusical cretins among us.
@@bacicinvatteneaca the Chinese manufacturer that builds this bass is doing something illegal. Don't support criminals. That's why. Jonni knows, he's just making this vid for community awareness. Lol.
When you buy these knock offs you are supporting and encouraging people who steal builders ideas. It is a lot of work to build a custom bass or guitar for some jerk to rip off a design someone put there heart into. Yes it looks kind of like the original but for the same money you can buy a squier or Ibanez that is better quality and not encourage criminals to rip off peoples designs.
The pickup selector did not sound like it was backwards. First sounded like neck, second bridge.
silverdroid i agree. It’s not backwards. Pickup switch is bridge-down, neck-up.
Yeah, three way toggle isn't backwards at all.
i think.over this
One would think he would know that ...he got talk and nuff notes tho
I play guitar and it sounded to me like neck was up and bridge was down, just like he said. Doesn't the neck PU sound more bright?
It's ethically dubious. I like that there's an affordable alternative with the unique Fodera style, but they shouldn't use the butterfly logo and pretend to be the real thing.
I mean, could one also consider it ethically dubious for any company to be able to effectively cease means of production and limit the ability for lower popularity boutique brands to become successful in comparison?
@@pat8437 I don't think I understand, could you give an example? Is the company ceasing its own production or ceasing production of other boutique brands?
Charging 15k for a bass is ethically dubious
Private property of a company is unethical
Yeah, it should be illegal for a company to sell a bass that I can't personally afford.
This guy went to a fight last night as i see his head with a punch mark. Warrior by heart bassist at art with attitude.
ye bass plyers is tuff. were teh tank of teh band :D
😂
So for about 1/75 of the price you can get 70 percent of the bass. And arguably the shape is the most unique part of this bass so that's gotta be worth half the appeal. I understand people want to pay 15.000$ to have a piece of authentic luthieristic art, but don't try telling me it's 12.000$ technically better than everything else in the market. It's a piece of art, but not a portal to a different musical universe. But then again, the two most primitive guitars in production the les Paul and Stratocaster are the staples of guitar music.
That arguement could definitely be made about the highest of the high priced instruments from most boutique makers. If you get into their more entry level instruments without all the bells and whistles and compare them to the less expensive brands the extra money spent makes a complete difference. They are just a better quality product.
When you get into custom instruments like fodera you’re getting something COMPLETELY tailored to your taste. Woods, pickups, scale length. Not just a bunch of off the shelve parts. And honestly that’s not for everyone. Most people are happy with mass produced instruments, and that’s fine, but to own a custom instrument is a treat.
it sounds buzzy on the frets it sort of sounds almost as good as a stingray. But your bass skills are amazing
You might find that they have used 4 string pickups so the magnets are too far away from the B string to get much volume from it. Had a similar problem with a kit bass.
Makes perfect sense. You can pretty much hear that the pickups are not there
Good point 👍
For $219 I would buy an old Peavey Foundation that will actually sound great.
Peavey Founations yes, they sound great but if you could find one, they will cost arround
300 USD
@@asuntos.publicos Damn straight. A Peavey Millenium is on my list of must haves, and they're amazing. But they're not $600 AUD amazing.
Actually, no one in China buy these fake things except idoits. We hate it. We have awesome brands like BQW, DTC, DFW,etc. You guys can check out these brands on youtube. They are worth every penny.
Glad you pointed this out!
I was going to buy a fake Rickenbacker bass... I still want it and believe I can modify it to sound decent, thanks for the comment
Where can you buy those brands? BQW, DTC, DFW?
@Airik Luna Yeah, these $220 are good for learning and modifying but somehow they're built with wrong construction or detail for their low cost. Thus you may never be able to learn the right way to build one of your own or to modify properly. Maybe warmoth can satisfy you most! Please help us to keep the fake away! They are not good for those people who devote themselves to this career! If the $220 basses are designed by their own, I would say nothing on it!
@@Celtundrica00 As these three, you can find "dfw_custom_bass_guitar" ,"dtcbass" and "bqw_bass" on ins. Leave the comments or message directly. They will reply you nearly everyday. But I don't think BQW will reply you as he focus on building bass very much and he seldom use these platform. If you want, I can help to get his email!
Nothing like China’s lack of regard for patents, copyrights, or anything 😂
Yeah,China is the only country that makes fake stuff
well, there is no shape that looks exactly like this one at fodera, and it's just a butterfly, not their logo
But some of them actually have the real logo =))))))
HAHA !! Great comment because it's TRUE ! They went for the gold and said fuck it, if we do it, we may be the new "MIJ" status, so there's no downside.
They haven't sold it as a Fodera, it's just that shape and style. Just like P and J copies .
All open pots, both PUs, sounds really great.
Indonesian luthiers make awesome guitars n basses...any model..super low action...I did order a custom 33" n fully satisfied...
You can play Obviously... but the bass sounds HORRIBLE!!!!
I agree
You and that bass deserve each other.
Somehow I can't get rid of the impression that the wood patterns are simply printed on it :)
Might be but surprisingly they can get stuff like that for fairly cheap in China
Looks like a wall paper not real wood
I'm excited to see your upgrades, like you I love to mod these low cost imports
Sounds like a $219 bass too. If I want a Fodera, I'll save for it. Warwick does me just fine.
That pickup selector switch is not wrong. Neck is upward and bridge is downward.
Nice BASS BRO I HAVE THE 6 STRING FODERA COPY FROM ALIEXPRESS AND ALSO HAD EMG45DC PICKUPS INSTALLED IN MINE
Your caps lock key is stuck
MIMO DA BOAT Boyd does it sound good? Do you like it!
@@chadbierman8058 straight out the box it had a little buzzing due to the fret leveling was a little high . I took mine to Guitar center and had the fretboard and truss rods adjusted . China Bass Guitars are Good for upgrading and depending on the climate change and area youre in ,You should get great sound. I took the liberty of having EMG45DC pick ups installed along with the EMG BQS 5 Knob preamp system as well so yes they are worth the trouble.
MIMO DA BOAT Boyd thanks for the info! Sounds good! God bless!
@@chadbierman8058 Youre very Welcome.
Pulls up to practice* “no low grumbling today boys”
Cool. switchable 4/5-string 😎
Hey, I know it's been 3 years but, could you tell me what Chinese company you ordered the FAKE FODERA from? I'd still buy one and put all new guts in it.
check ebay
The switch was wired normal...... The thing sounds awful, needs new hardware and electronics. .. But these sound great when modded.
Is it me or is that bridge not lined up? That A string is not centered over the dots. Great playing mind!
You get what you pay for. There's just no way around it. You pay up front or you pay in the end to correct the very thing you were trying to save money on. I had to learn that the hard way.
Why by copies? Even made in China? You can get a better-sounding bass, not a Fodera, for $250. Fodera should find ways to sue those folks who are copying its products.
Hey my friend how do you communicate with these guys.I want to buy one of those bass an put the to batteries pack in that bass.
Every go spend 600 and get a sire bass. They r greeeeeat
Pity you've recorded this with a camera/phone/laptop mic, it'd prob sound a lot better recorded direct and with finger playing not slapping the heck out of it. I always think that slapping and popping makes all basses sound terrible.
Most of these Chinese basses are ok, it depends where you buy them from. But they almost all need a bit of work, some just a decent setup, like almost any expensive bass would. I have two lefty 5 string jazz basses off AliExpress and they're both usable, the one is actually pretty good. I sold all my Ibbys and Corts after that coz they sounded lousy and they had some bad dead spots.
LOL!!!!! Where did you get Ali?
Can you do a china ken smith review
I mean, im impressed by the quality this seems to be, but even still, would you want to own a fake ferrarri? owning the real thing is kinda the whole point no?
Hey brother. Any idea what the U.S. Customs/duties fees are ballpark figure maybe?
What about the neck, machines, and overall build?
sounds like a entry level ibanez lol
I sound better that I would expect
4/5 string switch! OMG, that is funny. I think you just coined a new term.
The pole pieces on the pickups are painted on silver dots lol lol lol lol lol lol
One thing that ruins the illusion for me is the tuner holes are mis-located, so the strings are not straight. Every Ali bass I have seen online gets that wrong.
Great playing by the way
Which company you use to buy that chinese base?
It has a nicer finish than a real Fodera.
i bought one ，perfect one
Cool
I don't think the pickup switch is backwards
Spend $219 on ALMOST any bass and you'll be swapping electronics anmaybe some neck work. I've been thinking of ordering a knock off. Where did you order from?
www.dhgate.com/product/one-piece-set-neck-through-body-butterfly/395243628.html#s1-0-1;searl|1629241736
It can be useful to switch off the B string if your muting technique needs improvement.
Cool video! Look forward to pt2
I was going to order one of those & the yin yan one like Victor Wootens too. I didn't tho brought a Yamaha instead
Wise choice =^)
OMG not even the bridge is installed centered.
See what a Mike Pope preamp cost, that's what the real fodera bass has. I guess when you go the cheap route,
you better have some standby cash ready to go, cause practically every Chinese copy of American high end basses almost always have some disappointing electronic issues. When you spend $2-$350, if you have to spend maybe $500, more, you still came out good. A real fodera cost ( depending on model) cost $5 - $7000 dollars 😢
I think they were born to copy~
Dude, how can anyone tell ANYTHING about a bass, when you're playing it unplugged and slapping it???
Total firewood.
Where can i order a Chinese fake Fodera bass?
I didn’t know Dane Cook played bass!
His face reminds me of Fieldy
yeah man
maybe it's made in SHANDONG in China，we call that 鲁蝶
How much ? What’s the website name?
I've never ordered a bass that was wired wrong...that's pretty bad and not worth it. If I buy a bass, I want it to work from the start. It does look cool, though.
Where do you find it?
on www.Tradetang.com, however I'm willing to sell it if you are looking.
5 string with a 40Hz HPF, genius
60hz would be appropriate for a 5 string
Where can I buy a Fodera copy?
Who made the Bass?
Killer chops
That thing is a Nodera-use it as firewood.
sounds like 219 dollars
The only thing about those copy,s is that there is no angle on the neck
It resembles a Fodera in looks and that’s about all. Sorry play a real Fodera and know the difference.
Awesome. Love pirates. If you don't agree than don't buy them. No one is forcing you to buy them, so let people spend their money the way they please.
And continuing destroying the world forest to 'hancraft' those kind of crapy shit, making people beleive every body have the right & budget to eat Caviar and drive a Maserati on a daily basis... humans rights ;-(
You play great. The bass sounds bad
You get what you pay for, it seems. Thanks
Copy Cats!😡...
Sounds ok...
Great playing though!
Where would one find such a potential gem Jonni? No cookies-N-milk for you after leaving out those details. ~8^)
www.dhgate.com/product/one-piece-set-neck-through-body-butterfly/395243628.html#s1-0-1;searl|0860316066
219 dollar bass which messes company's image from your country. Good fucking job for promoting counterfeiters xDDDD I hope that you're proud of yourself.
😁😁😁 This preamp is... 😮😕 . Would throw out to the thrash... Nice wood however Fodera logo is a little bit 😠...
If it didn't have the trademarked butterfly logo, I'd be cool with it. I wouldn't buy one, but I wouldn't be all keyboard warrior "but it's an illegal counterfeit" about it either.
The bass sounds terrible
you can shine up a turd, but its still a shinny turd.
this is crazyyy
It's ugly. So is the real one.
China is not known for electronics, Japan is..
raise the action to stop the fret buzz and string rattle... It would sound decent. The string action is too low and any bass with action set like tha which allows string rattle and buzzing at the frets sounds terrrible, and no matter the craftsmanship or price.
A fauxdera?
1997 called...
Haha it sounds nothing like a fodera
Has anyone noticed the lump on his forehead?? That doesn’t look comforting
I got a lump in my ear just listening to that bass! Maybe he hit himself in the forehead with the bass after listening to how it sounded.
Nothing is sacred. I'm guessing a law suit is a waste of time. Buying a used one no a danger to be aware of. Serial check.
Man that thing sounds AWFUL!
shit pickups and strings
@@PhuckHue2 shit everything
i bet victor would make it sound just fine
Just in case anyone cares, music used to be about playing worthwhile music and one's ability to do so. Great music is not at the mercy of inexpensive guitar copies. A good musician can make a cheap guitar sound fine. A very expensive guitar can't help the unmusical cretins among us.
Knock off fedora. FACTS
NO! don't support these pirates! LOL hope you're well, pal!
Why?
@@bacicinvatteneaca the Chinese manufacturer that builds this bass is doing something illegal. Don't support criminals. That's why. Jonni knows, he's just making this vid for community awareness. Lol.
They're 15000 dollar basses. This is a 300 dollar bass. Their business is not being affected at all.
@@franktalarico689 it's illegal. Don't support criminals.
Looking forward to the next Video!!
Stay away from these
Slapada bass
Chidera.
When you buy these knock offs you are supporting and encouraging people who steal builders ideas. It is a lot of work to build a custom bass or guitar for some jerk to rip off a design someone put there heart into. Yes it looks kind of like the original but for the same money you can buy a squier or Ibanez that is better quality and not encourage criminals to rip off peoples designs.
You are not going to get a Ibanez or a Squier for 219.00.
Fat Owl Bass great Comment Brotha!!
fedora is a hat. It's FOH-DAR-AH.
THAT'S-THE-JOKE
@@basstrom88 lol sorry I guess I missed it. Woosh!
Shitdera🦋
Glad i watched this first cuz i found one if these "po-deras" on wish.com for like $150 and WAS considering it
Change what? Money on upgrades on that no way.I would buy a Sire or a Ibanez. Or better yet get a custom bass made. That's wasted money.