For more two cents, I'd say you guys never need to apologize for making a longer video. I always learn so much from what you both have to say. In any case, once again, thanks so much for this! I'm currently looking to buy/build my very first AR, and I feel I can take your advice to the bank. You guys rock!
I personally love the longer videos. I'll always take more information and knowledge from those more in the know, and I'll take as much as they're willing to give.
Every second or your presentation had valuable information. No wasted rambling and ranting like Nutnfancy - although Most of his are very good evaluations by actually running the product and some hard use. So very educational but sometimes a bit long because of unnecessary babbling
I could only ever dream of standing in the sunshine discussing my AR 15s in the land of the free.. Here in shitty England i get frowned upon owning my GSG522 ,22lr.. God bless America
"When the government fears the people, there is Liberty...." Finally someone that understands the principles that this country was founded upon. We are the sovereigns not the criminal psychopaths in the legislature that we euphemistically call government.
Man ....I love these guys!! I watch a bit of Gun Gripes every day while drinking my coffee and doing my push ups!!!.....These guys know their shit!!! Awesome job 👏
Will yall ever or have you ever done a 14.5 with a pinned and welded A2 style like you have with your flash hider or 3 port comp. Just aesthetics but would be nice. Love using your barrels.
every day I am more amazed at how far the ar has come from Eugene stoner , up through military implementation, and then the civy market. flipping astonishing how this gun is around 50 years old and still improving , unreal
Chad's comments about forging at 20:48 are incorrect. Pouring metal into a mold is a casting, not a forging. Using a sand mold (think engine parts like heads, blocks, water pumps, etc.) is sand-casting, which requires machining on certain surfaces and leaves a rough surface. Using a smooth mold is die-casting (think of metal model cars). Using a lost-wax process where the molten metal displaces a wax model is investment casting (used in more-precise engine parts). Forging involves hammering processes to basically "flow" the metal grain into realignment and a different shape. Think of the creation of an edged weapon, like a knife or a sword. The basic shape is created with the forging process, then certain surfaces are machined (i.e. the edge of a knife) or the whole part is then machined more precisely.
Got a 10.5 PSA, lantac dragon comp, got their BMD on the way, got a Devil Dog Concepts mid mount side charger, JP Rifles Silent captured spring, and CMC 2.5# flat single stage. Love it.
By the way I want to thank you for your for your video, i learn a lot in a short time, cant wait to get started, I am a Viet Nam disable veteran, thank again
Great video guys. I just bought my first AR. Sounds like I got a great deal, on a quality rifle. It's a DelTon, with a chrome moly 16" 1:7 twist barrel. Came upgraded with a "slim" 15" Mlok free floated hand guard, and a full length pica tinny top rail. Mid-length, low profile gas system. Contoured trigger guard. Aluminum upper, and lower. Dust cover, and forward assist. Everything else mil-spec. $475. I added a 2 MOA red dot, with co-witness BUIS, and a BAD lever. This thing runs like a dream, and I LOVE IT!!!!!! Perfect 3 o'clock ejection, and very accurate. I highly recommend DelTon. I couldn't be happier with it.
Best 5 gun video since the loss of Barry (RIP Barry) You guys did great touched on every topic without going into too much detail. I am towards the end of my dream AR15 build. I went with Palmetto State Armory' upper and lower receivers as well as their NiB BCG. Their 16" stainless, mid length, mid contour barrel with a VG6 Epsilon brake. A Geissele SSA-E trigger. Noveske/Magpul ambi 60 degree short through safety . All Magpul furniture MOE+ grip, ACS stock, enhanced aluminum trigger guard, B.A.D. Lever, and the MBUS PRO offset sights. For glass I mounted the Nikon M-223 BDC 600 3-12x42SF on the M-223 mount. Along with Inforce WMLx 500 lumen and a RePlay PrimeX 1080 action camera. All I have left to get is the Magpul ASAP QD, MS4 sling, m-lok afg and to pick between the Midwest Industries 15" lightweight m-lok series free float rail or wait for the Geissele 15" MK4 m-lok. The waiting weight and cost of the MK4 is pushing me towards Midwest Industries rail. What do ya think... should I wait?
Can you guys review a 50 state legal AR? I live in the communist country of New York, where they think a pistol grip makes it more lethal....that logic...
They had that new pump action Troy about a month or so ago not sure if they have run the new Ares Defense lower or not. I live in SC and those both still are pretty interesting to me especially the .308 Troy. I love my pump rifles well I have 4 .22lr no other caliber right now but they are so fun sure that carbine would be great too and should be really accurate and would be great with a silencer.
POF has the Patriot I think they are calling them that are basically a bolt action AR too that is 50 state legal. Tons of mfg offer NY compliant ARs though. I have been to a few gun shows up there in NY past few years when up visiting in Oct and there is always a lot of ARs, and parts there really pretty impressed with that show at the Seneca Casino in Salamanca, NY. I haven't bought really anything but ammo and some various AR parts like I know I got a set of Daniel Defense sights there but it a great show and its right next to the casino buffet lol. I live in SC anyway so any deals really aren't a deal after I would have to pay taxes, shipping, then the FFL fee to pick up at home in SC. Well I guess I can still buy a rifle or shotgun just no handguns or AR, AK type rifles. There is a dealer from Rochester that is always there DD's Ranch they have tons of AR parts, complete rifles whatever where I know I got those Daniel Defense sights. I wanted to buy a Seekins Precision billet lower from them but they go for the exact same price online and I wouldn't have to pay the NY taxes if I order them there so.
+Ricky McClain Not many people but people in places like New York or California don't have the choice. I heard of a guy who had to design a straight pull M1 Garand so he could own it in Britain.
Just a few additional comments. Another long stroke piston rifle not mentioned here is PWS's rifle, which is pretty nice from my personal experience. Also, some people might want the longer rail system not just to cover their gas block, but to increase their sight radius for better accuracy.
Had an issue with a Timney trigger not hitting hard enough on 7.62 by 39, switched to this CMMG mil spec, Best stock trigger out of the box I ever had.
Eric I was going to call you out for making up a ridicules word like (LUBICITY), But it is a real word! Lubricity is the measure of the reduction in friction and or wear by a lubricant. The study of lubrication and wear mechanisms is called tribology.The lubricity of a substance is not a material property, and cannot be measured directly. Tests are performed to quantify a lubricant's performance for a specific system. This is often done by determining how much wear is caused to a surface by a given wear-inducing object in a given amount of time. Other factors such as surface size, temperature, and pressure are also specified. For two fluids with the same viscosity, the one that results in a smaller wear scar is considered to have higher lubricity. For this reason lubricity is also termed a substance's anti-wear property And now you know and knowing is half the battle! Good vids Thanks Guys!
Great video! I've built/helped build ARs since the mid-80s, Standard to DMR to CQB; this is the single best video I've ever seen on choices and reasons to make them. Yes, I'm just finding this video in 2020. Please keep it up!!!
Billet is more expensive due to the machining process is more detailed and takes longer. And that's the only reason. A Forged any metal/alloy will always be stronger. Chad, what little you described in what forging is. You actually described the Investment Cast Process. There's a lot more that goes into Forging a metal. Forged metal/alloy is stronger, due to the metal tensile's are all in the same direction and densely packed...providing it with it's inherent strength. With Billet Milled anything. The metal tensile's are going in all different directions. Think of a grain of wood, when thinking of metal tensile's. A forged metal is hammers are used and compression used to ensure the tensile's are in the same direction. You guys should really comment on something, unless you truly know how it's done. Unfortunately, people will believe you over people who do know what they're talking about. And yes, I do know quite a bit about this and have my BS in Chemistry, as well as being a M.D. The only difference between say 4140 and 4150 steel is only 10k psi. All 41xx steel is Chrome Moly, per SAE standards. 4150 steel is rated to 110k psi and 4140 rated to 100k psi. All because 0.50% more carbon is added to the 4150 steel. Whereas, 5.56mm is pressured to 55k psi and .223 and other ammo brands are less than NATO spec pressured ammo. The military and private industry, proof test barrel at 70k psi. Hence, a 4140 barrel is plenty strong enough for even sustain war fighting. The barrel is just under being twice as strong of the load (ammo) pressure will put out. And the stronger barrel is slightly more than double in strength. Actually most barrels in all calibers like 30-06, 308 338 lapua the barrels are 4140. The last two digits of 41xx steel denotes the amount of carbon added to the barrel. So if people think 4140 is lesser and crappier than 4150 steel. Well, then you might want to research metals.
wawheeler21 I have to admit it surprised me too. When the began describing things. I wonder if they know the proper gas port hole on a carbine or mid length barrel. It's actually .0635" diameter. A lot of manufactures will up the size to .0685 or somewhere in between to ensure their AR can handle all brands of under powered ammo. And to ensure the rifle can handle steel casings too. Therefore, the port is over-sized and the gun is over gassed for the reason I mention above. And there's nothing wrong with that. You also, have dwell time of the bolt and carrier staying in place. To ensure the casing has time to contract to its original form. For proper extraction from the chamber.
I'm glad someone else caught that he didn't describe forging correctly. What he described is die-casting. Investment casting is where the molten metal displaces wax -- AKA lost-wax casting.
I have a DPMS A2 classic, I've always preferred the standard, no bells and whistles. Nice iron sights, that don't run out of batteries. 20'' barrel, which the 5.56 was designed to be fired from.
WOW!!! GREAT!!!! Really straight forward and informative for new and less experienced AR-15 owners and potential buyers. It gives a base knowledge to people when they go to buy their first AR or for people who want to upgrade but are overwhelmed by all the styles, terms and options. Thanks Guys!!!!!
You guys are about the only ones who may be able to help me. I recived DPMS Orical for a gift yesterday. I’m new to AR game. Seems like it will be so fun. My problem is I cannot find the manual any online. Any help is appreciated. God Bless
I really really really truly love u guys and alllll the damn work you guys put in! I can Imagine putting these vids together aren’t easy and we appreciate all the knowledge and info you guys give to those of us who study and love firearms. ERIC!, 💪💪
You folks are lucky in the US. I tried to order an ATI free floating fore end for my Armalite and, "Nope. We can't send that to Canada!" Hopping up an AR here up north doesn't mean getting the parts you want, but having to settle for what's in stock...which is basically very little.
You guys should do a shotgun customization video just like this! I have always wanted to see a serbu shorty with a silencer co shotgun suppressor and an ATI top folding stock all together
Just to clarify a point. A forging is hammered in a set of dies to a specific shape. Subsequent machining is usually necessary. Forging is done to establish the flow of the metals grain structure to enhance strength. Pouring molten metal into a mold is called casting, and is not usually as strong as a forged part. Machining from a solid chunk of metal is called machining from billet.
I have three ARs with Anderson lowers ($40 plus tax) and they are matched with Aero Precision uppers and they all are a perfect fit. JP Enterprises and SRC are my preferred choices for bolt and bolt carriers, but I am also using Aero Precision and Wilson Combat. I am a huge Giessele Trigger fan. Very informative video. You pretty much confirmed that I have made really good choices in all my builds. With the exception of my Sig MCX and MPX all of my ARs are personal builds. Thank you for putting this together.
I am new to the AR platform. but having shoot mine for the first time today. I enjoyed it. The 223 rounds ran fine but i noticed that the 556 was hanging up a little bit when they were trying to load. My Gun smith said it probably wasnt cleaned probably. He is good at what he does so I will take it to him. But I really like how it shoots. Less recoil obviously, but fun to shoot. I love my Mossberg as one of my home defense gun.
One of the best informative AR videos I've seen so far. I would definitely recommend this video to any looking to get into purchasing or building. Keep up the good work fellas.
Here's my list in order of what to upgrade on your AR if you didn't build it. 1)Trigger 2)BCG 3)Buffer Assembly 4)Barrel 5)Handguard Not going to list sights, MBUS rear and A2 front sight are sufficient. If you got a flat-top with no A2 front sight then go with the full MBUS set or try out other brands at a gun store.
Kyle M I just ordered my first AR-15, a Springfield Saint and according to reviews the trigger is really good. My first upgrade would be a Trijicon MRO scope then a free float handguard.
What I'd give to "download" the brainpower from both Eric & Chad, but this video will do. This is gold! This will save everyone from the headaches of trial & error. Thanks so much guys. I will refer to this video forever, when I need the info!
correction, muzzle brakes reduce recoil that goes rearward, compensators reduce muzzle climb, there are a lot of devices that do some combination of both, whether they're balanced to do both equally, or more one than the other, or some combination of those plus flash suppression (obviously a flash hider is the pure form of solely flash suppression without the other 2 qualities) and the a2 device is a mix of mostly flash suppressor and a little bit of a compensator
You two are some of the most informative people on line, you guys seam to be good friends and are very charismatic. Thanks for all the great knowledge.
Minor correction, brake is for reduced recoil, compensator is for reduced muzzle rise, flash hider function is self explanatory. I run a gamma vg6. It's a combined compensator and two chamber brake. Makes for a nice flat shooter. Horrible blast for People near by though.
I recently rebuilt an AR in 5.56 that got a 300 BlackOut round in it. It blew out the extractor and stuck the round but otherwise blew out the mag well as designed.
How does a .223 caliber barrel fit a .30 caliber bullet? It won't. So it either had a complete out of battery or a very badly cut barrel. Or it was a 556 that got put in a 300blk rifle. Because a .300 blk bullet physically won't fit in the barrel of a 556
Unless they just rammed it in the 556 chamber and literally pushed the 30 cal bullet all the way into the case. It wouldn't even start to go down a 556 barrel tho
Oh man... that "special paperwork" that Chad alluded to when talking about transfering SBRs over state lines sounds awfully familiar to the ATT (Authorization to Transport) Permits issued to Restricted Firearms Owners in Canada.
This was an excellent video, however, one item not mentioned was "port size." Port size is the diameter of the hole drilled into the barrel leading to the gas block and varies in circumference from length of the gas tube to length of the barrel to diameter of the barrel. A barrel .625" in diameter with a length of 11.5" has an average port size of .085". The same length barrel with a diameter of .750" would need a port size of .090". You can go on and on depending on the dwell time required to properly cycle your gun. The length of the gas tube is not the only variable in cycling the AR. The size of the gas port plus the distance from the gas port to the end of the barrel and the time it takes a bullet to travel that distance (Dwell Time) is very important. Dwell times differ significantly. Consider the distance from the gas port to the end of the muzzle of an 11.5" barrel = about 3.85". The distance for a 16" carbine is about 9.5" and a 20" barrel is 7" due to a longer gas length tube. Having an adjustable gas block does nothing if the port size is too small therefore some people elect to over-drill the gas port hole 1/100th of an inch larger prior to installation. You can always narrow a hole but you can't make it wider. As mentioned prior, this was an outstanding educational video like most all Iraqveteran8888 videos are and I don't know 1/10th of what those guys know. I just wanted to point out some additional variables one might encounter when troubleshooting or building a gun.
You guys make great videos, but I just want to clarify the miss information in this video. Forged is NOT molten metal poured into a mold. It is heated metal forced into a mold, which creates a VERY strong part. Molten metal poured into a mold is casting. His description of billet in the video is accurate. Forged parts are stronger than billet and billet is stronger than cast.
+betatalk357 You have your information confused. When made from the same grade aluminum, forging is stronger than billet. There are some higher grades of aluminum that can't be forged, but can still be machined. So, billet has the possibility to be stronger than forged in that situation. Your average billet parts most likely wont be made out of high grade, non forgeable aluminum though. So, forged parts in general are stronger than billet.
There is a big difference between what you said about forging and reality. You described casting and machining. Forging is heating raw metal and hammering or stamping with heavy machinery into a shape that can be machined also. The difference is significant. Forging rearranges the atomic structure of the metal strengthening it.
Lately, and by lately I mean in the past four or five years, I've purchased BCM uppers, and the lowers are what ever good deal is out there at my local gun shop at the time. For example, right now my main rifle is a Spikes honey badger lower, with a BCM 20 inch government profile upper, with carry handle irons, penis products M5 RAS, magpul grip/trigger guard, Numrich surplus A2 buttstock with metal door... oh yeah Mt. Rainier NiBr BCG, which I only purchased at the time because it was a 2nd (blemished) for very cheap, but I couldn't see the blemish on it at all.. might have been a tiny spot that I wiped off... Anyhow ALG trigger, got lucky and it is excellent, Stagg lower parts kit. It's a decent AR for under 800 bucks!!
As a standard reference point should be, a Colt LE6920 w/ relia-bolt. This is just the standard for low cost VS FUNCTIONALITY. It just makes sense for a bare bone mil-spec rifle(I bought an unfurnished Colt LE6920 for 769$), w/quality guts( a crome bolt carrier + sharps relia-bolt) and nothing more to be a minimum in standards. Missed this in this particular video... A reference point I mean. But wow! This video had a lot to display and explain!
oh, and for the record, melonite/nitriding provides wear and resilience comparable or superior to chrome without decreasing accuracy AT ALL and will generally only be about 10-20 dollars more than a regular non treated barrel. Food for thought
I was a product of the US Army in the 1960's and I never ever saw the fascination with the AR-15. The early Colt M-16's were nothing but junk and with me, it really hit home. I own a AK platform and the closet to an AR I will get, is the Ruger Mini 14. As for all the other folks out there, what floats your boat..........
Forging does not involve liquid metal, that’s casting. Forging and billet aluminum are extremely similar in structure, however forged aluminum is actually considered more uniform in grain because of the extreme heat used, while billet or CNC machined aluminum is a little less uniform because of the way it’s cut/shaved. I’m not a gunsmith, however I am a performance engine technician. Forged/billet pistons are generally regarded as equal in strength, billet tends to be a bit more expensive because billet parts are custom CNC machined which require time and not to mention a large chunk of material to modify. Forging has a bigger initial capital investment due to the tooling, but each part is easier/quicker to make. Forging is a more streamlined process that is used in large scale manufacturing because of the tooling involved. Forging involves heating a piece of metal, roughly similar in shape and size to the final product, and then essentially stamping the metal or bending/crushing it to shape. The forged part is then typically drilled and further machined to specification. Both forging and billet aluminum are fairly uniform in molecular layout but forged parts are considered more consistent in structure throughout the material. Price will typically be cheaper on forged parts because they are often made in higher volume, while CNC billet parts aren’t as common because this process is usually used in low volume or custom applications.
AR-15 gas system lengths: How far down the barrel the gas port is as well as ideal barrel lengths for given gas system. Pistol: 4.846" - for barrels measuring less than 10" in length. Carbine: 7.866" -barrels measuring 10.0" to 14.5" Midlength: 9.866" -barrels measuring 14.5" to 18" Rifle: 13.241" -barrels measuring 18"+ Most people round the measurements pretty close but I have no idea why everyone says rifle length is 12" when its really well over 13".
Going over your older video from the beginning to the present. Law changes that hurt the sporting gun trade as of today to a unsure future. I know from being a member of Milatery to gun club to being gun less in the draconian Untied Kingdom.(does not feel United since the lie of the towers murder make) I hope America stays the home of the brave and the home of the free. Keep the quality videos coming.
This is all fine and dandy but, WHAT ABOUT MIL SURP VIDS? Your military surplus videos/reviews are what won you my subscription and I'll tell you what, its been a while guys. Please don't disappoint!
@12:53 - much respect for your channel as you don’t beat people over the head with your point of view , BUT I bet you have a chrome lined barrel AR -15( s) ! I had a del ton with a 4140 cm barrel that was not chrome lined and it consistently shot 1 3/8” 5 shot patterns with white box 55 gr ammo VS my Colt 6920 shooting 1.5-1.75” with same ammo; that was back in 2003. Guess which one is still going strong? Yeah that chrome lined Colt with its CMV barrel! Even here in “ guns is bad” California , the Del Ton with out barrel treatment showed signs of rust despite trying to keep it oiled and its lans and grooves wore down after 4,100 rounds. Barrels are cheap ( $140-400 from avg manufacturers) but with the better barrel steel- mil spec CMV/ mil 4150, and treated with nitride or melonite or chrome lined , I have no problem sacrificing .5 to 1moa for longevity and durability
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For more two cents, I'd say you guys never need to apologize for making a longer video. I always learn so much from what you both have to say. In any case, once again, thanks so much for this! I'm currently looking to buy/build my very first AR, and I feel I can take your advice to the bank. You guys rock!
Plus one on that great video as always
@@logansmith2560 + 2 ... I agree
Take as long as you need to tell us what you have learned over the years. Thanks!
I personally love the longer videos. I'll always take more information and knowledge from those more in the know, and I'll take as much as they're willing to give.
Every second or your presentation had valuable information. No wasted rambling and ranting like Nutnfancy - although Most of his are very good evaluations by actually running the product and some hard use. So very educational but sometimes a bit long because of unnecessary babbling
I could only ever dream of standing in the sunshine discussing my AR 15s in the land of the free.. Here in shitty England i get frowned upon owning my GSG522 ,22lr.. God bless America
Sorry man, go brexit.
Come on over!
as long as your a good shot you can still put something down with 1 round in the right spot , i22lr is no joke.
Bro honestly I didn’t think y’all could even have that
Murica❤
Love chad's shirt
I always say, When unarmed politicians attempt to remove anything from the ARMED citizens a change of command is imminent.
Pre jerry curl chad. and the golden days when boxes of 5.56 were everywhere
"When the government fears the people, there is Liberty...." Finally someone that understands the principles that this country was founded upon. We are the sovereigns not the criminal psychopaths in the legislature that we euphemistically call government.
Man ....I love these guys!! I watch a bit of Gun Gripes every day while drinking my coffee and doing my push ups!!!.....These guys know their shit!!! Awesome job 👏
Just found this channel and I like it already.
going back and watching these old videos are the best
That hoodie sure has more meaning today than it did in 2015
Thanks for thinking of us! We are here for any questions!
3 years no questions. I have one, is santa real???
Will yall ever or have you ever done a 14.5 with a pinned and welded A2 style like you have with your flash hider or 3 port comp. Just aesthetics but would be nice. Love using your barrels.
every day I am more amazed at how far the ar has come from Eugene stoner , up through military implementation, and then the civy market. flipping astonishing how this gun is around 50 years old and still improving , unreal
Chad's comments about forging at 20:48 are incorrect.
Pouring metal into a mold is a casting, not a forging. Using a sand mold (think engine parts like heads, blocks, water pumps, etc.) is sand-casting, which requires machining on certain surfaces and leaves a rough surface. Using a smooth mold is die-casting (think of metal model cars). Using a lost-wax process where the molten metal displaces a wax model is investment casting (used in more-precise engine parts).
Forging involves hammering processes to basically "flow" the metal grain into realignment and a different shape. Think of the creation of an edged weapon, like a knife or a sword. The basic shape is created with the forging process, then certain surfaces are machined (i.e. the edge of a knife) or the whole part is then machined more precisely.
@ If he knows this then what exactly is he talking about?
I like the format of these old videos. Tag team data dump... I love it.
Got a 10.5 PSA, lantac dragon comp, got their BMD on the way, got a Devil Dog Concepts mid mount side charger, JP Rifles Silent captured spring, and CMC 2.5# flat single stage. Love it.
By the way I want to thank you for your for your video, i learn a lot in a short time, cant wait to get started, I am a Viet Nam disable veteran, thank again
Gentlemen, the extent of your firearm knowledge is MIND BLOWING! If I knew that much, I would be afraid my head would explode!!!
Keep up the gr8 work!
I got a new sport 2, put a Midwest 15" mlok that only weighs 10oz. love it! the stock trigger feels nicer than my brothers after market trigger.
36:35 "When you are shooting it with one hand - ha ha" love it!
Great video guys. I just bought my first AR. Sounds like I got a great deal, on a quality rifle. It's a DelTon, with a chrome moly 16" 1:7 twist barrel. Came upgraded with a "slim" 15" Mlok free floated hand guard, and a full length pica tinny top rail. Mid-length, low profile gas system. Contoured trigger guard. Aluminum upper, and lower. Dust cover, and forward assist. Everything else mil-spec. $475. I added a 2 MOA red dot, with co-witness BUIS, and a BAD lever. This thing runs like a dream, and I LOVE IT!!!!!! Perfect 3 o'clock ejection, and very accurate. I highly recommend DelTon. I couldn't be happier with it.
5:47 that is a really nice looking pin and weld hell yeah.
This is you do a class and give out information. These two cats know how to do it together on a subject matter. Keep up the the excellent work 👏
Best 5 gun video since the loss of Barry (RIP Barry) You guys did great touched on every topic without going into too much detail. I am towards the end of my dream AR15 build. I went with Palmetto State Armory' upper and lower receivers as well as their NiB BCG. Their 16" stainless, mid length, mid contour barrel with a VG6 Epsilon brake. A Geissele SSA-E trigger. Noveske/Magpul ambi 60 degree short through safety . All Magpul furniture MOE+ grip, ACS stock, enhanced aluminum trigger guard, B.A.D. Lever, and the MBUS PRO offset sights. For glass I mounted the Nikon M-223 BDC 600 3-12x42SF on the M-223 mount. Along with Inforce WMLx 500 lumen and a RePlay PrimeX 1080 action camera. All I have left to get is the Magpul ASAP QD, MS4 sling, m-lok afg and to pick between the Midwest Industries 15" lightweight m-lok series free float rail or wait for the Geissele 15" MK4 m-lok. The waiting weight and cost of the MK4 is pushing me towards Midwest Industries rail. What do ya think... should I wait?
7 years later, how's the rifle? Any breakages?
Always a pleasure to sit down and watch you guys put together classic material keep up the excellent work
Can you guys review a 50 state legal AR? I live in the communist country of New York, where they think a pistol grip makes it more lethal....that logic...
They had that new pump action Troy about a month or so ago not sure if they have run the new Ares Defense lower or not. I live in SC and those both still are pretty interesting to me especially the .308 Troy. I love my pump rifles well I have 4 .22lr no other caliber right now but they are so fun sure that carbine would be great too and should be really accurate and would be great with a silencer.
Ricky McClain it's better than nothing
POF has the Patriot I think they are calling them that are basically a bolt action AR too that is 50 state legal. Tons of mfg offer NY compliant ARs though. I have been to a few gun shows up there in NY past few years when up visiting in Oct and there is always a lot of ARs, and parts there really pretty impressed with that show at the Seneca Casino in Salamanca, NY. I haven't bought really anything but ammo and some various AR parts like I know I got a set of Daniel Defense sights there but it a great show and its right next to the casino buffet lol. I live in SC anyway so any deals really aren't a deal after I would have to pay taxes, shipping, then the FFL fee to pick up at home in SC. Well I guess I can still buy a rifle or shotgun just no handguns or AR, AK type rifles. There is a dealer from Rochester that is always there DD's Ranch they have tons of AR parts, complete rifles whatever where I know I got those Daniel Defense sights. I wanted to buy a Seekins Precision billet lower from them but they go for the exact same price online and I wouldn't have to pay the NY taxes if I order them there so.
+Ricky McClain faster then a bolt action ar.
+Ricky McClain Not many people but people in places like New York or California don't have the choice. I heard of a guy who had to design a straight pull M1 Garand so he could own it in Britain.
I recently bought a Savage AR-10 and it’s a fantastic rifle. Savage just got into the AR market but it’s a well known company.
Just a few additional comments. Another long stroke piston rifle not mentioned here is PWS's rifle, which is pretty nice from my personal experience. Also, some people might want the longer rail system not just to cover their gas block, but to increase their sight radius for better accuracy.
Did you forget about, twist rates boys?
It only seems fitting that for an AR-15 video there be 556 comments. Great video as always!
Im brand new to this whole world and I truly appreciate all the stuff you guys covered keep it up
Nice, lets get an AK upgrades video now!
Had an issue with a Timney trigger not hitting hard enough on 7.62 by 39, switched to this CMMG mil spec, Best stock trigger out of the box I ever had.
These 2 dudes are legit.
Eric I was going to call you out for making up a ridicules word like (LUBICITY), But it is a real word!
Lubricity is the measure of the reduction in friction and or wear by a lubricant. The study of lubrication and wear mechanisms is called tribology.The lubricity of a substance is not a material property, and cannot be measured directly. Tests are performed to quantify a lubricant's performance for a specific system. This is often done by determining how much wear is caused to a surface by a given wear-inducing object in a given amount of time. Other factors such as surface size, temperature, and pressure are also specified. For two fluids with the same viscosity, the one that results in a smaller wear scar is considered to have higher lubricity. For this reason lubricity is also termed a substance's anti-wear property
And now you know and knowing is half the battle!
Good vids Thanks Guys!
Great video! I've built/helped build ARs since the mid-80s, Standard to DMR to CQB; this is the single best video I've ever seen on choices and reasons to make them.
Yes, I'm just finding this video in 2020.
Please keep it up!!!
Using an arm brace for a stock on a pistol before arm braces were a thing. Nicely done.
Billet is more expensive due to the machining process is more detailed and takes longer. And that's the only reason. A Forged any metal/alloy will always be stronger.
Chad, what little you described in what forging is. You actually described the Investment Cast Process. There's a lot more that goes into Forging a metal. Forged metal/alloy is stronger, due to the metal tensile's are all in the same direction and densely packed...providing it with it's inherent strength. With Billet Milled anything. The metal tensile's are going in all different directions. Think of a grain of wood, when thinking of metal tensile's. A forged metal is hammers are used and compression used to ensure the tensile's are in the same direction. You guys should really comment on something, unless you truly know how it's done. Unfortunately, people will believe you over people who do know what they're talking about. And yes, I do know quite a bit about this and have my BS in Chemistry, as well as being a M.D.
The only difference between say 4140 and 4150 steel is only 10k psi. All 41xx steel is Chrome Moly, per SAE standards. 4150 steel is rated to 110k psi and 4140 rated to 100k psi. All because 0.50% more carbon is added to the 4150 steel. Whereas, 5.56mm is pressured to 55k psi and .223 and other ammo brands are less than NATO spec pressured ammo. The military and private industry, proof test barrel at 70k psi. Hence, a 4140 barrel is plenty strong enough for even sustain war fighting. The barrel is just under being twice as strong of the load (ammo) pressure will put out. And the stronger barrel is slightly more than double in strength. Actually most barrels in all calibers like 30-06, 308 338 lapua the barrels are 4140. The last two digits of 41xx steel denotes the amount of carbon added to the barrel. So if people think 4140 is lesser and crappier than 4150 steel. Well, then you might want to research metals.
Yeah Chad described a cast lower not a forged lower. Surprises me that they don't know the difference between cast and forged.
wawheeler21 I have to admit it surprised me too. When the began describing things. I wonder if they know the proper gas port hole on a carbine or mid length barrel. It's actually .0635" diameter. A lot of manufactures will up the size to .0685 or somewhere in between to ensure their AR can handle all brands of under powered ammo. And to ensure the rifle can handle steel casings too. Therefore, the port is over-sized and the gun is over gassed for the reason I mention above. And there's nothing wrong with that. You also, have dwell time of the bolt and carrier staying in place. To ensure the casing has time to contract to its original form. For proper extraction from the chamber.
I'm glad someone else caught that he didn't describe forging correctly. What he described is die-casting. Investment casting is where the molten metal displaces wax -- AKA lost-wax casting.
me or you have never seen a full barrel failure ,if so it was defective from the start
Good explanation, thank you.
I have a DPMS A2 classic, I've always preferred the standard, no bells and whistles. Nice iron sights, that don't run out of batteries. 20'' barrel, which the 5.56 was designed to be fired from.
WOW!!! GREAT!!!! Really straight forward and informative for new and less experienced AR-15 owners and potential buyers. It gives a base knowledge to people when they go to buy their first AR or for people who want to upgrade but are overwhelmed by all the styles, terms and options. Thanks Guys!!!!!
You guys are about the only ones who may be able to help me. I recived DPMS Orical for a gift yesterday. I’m new to AR game. Seems like it will be so fun. My problem is I cannot find the manual any online. Any help is appreciated. God Bless
The "flat shoe" trigger is the Geissele SD-E. It's the same internally as the SSA-E but flat.
I really really really truly love u guys and alllll the damn work you guys put in! I can Imagine putting these vids together aren’t easy and we appreciate all the knowledge and info you guys give to those of us who study and love firearms. ERIC!, 💪💪
I'd amend the "adult Lego of the gun world" comment. The adult Lego of the FREE world.
Not anymore 😳
You folks are lucky in the US. I tried to order an ATI free floating fore end for my Armalite and, "Nope. We can't send that to Canada!" Hopping up an AR here up north doesn't mean getting the parts you want, but having to settle for what's in stock...which is basically very little.
You guys should do a shotgun customization video just like this!
I have always wanted to see a serbu shorty with a silencer co shotgun suppressor and an ATI top folding stock all together
My personal favorite is an H&K MR556A1, my buddy owns one and it is phenomenal.
I'm hoping Eric does a review on different shoulder things that go up.
Omg.. newbie paradise... just info.. no car salesmen.... well done
Just to clarify a point. A forging is hammered in a set of dies to a specific shape. Subsequent machining is usually necessary. Forging is done to establish the flow of the metals grain structure to enhance strength. Pouring molten metal into a mold is called casting, and is not usually as strong as a forged part. Machining from a solid chunk of metal is called machining from billet.
“The adult LEGO”, perfect analogy lol. Good video guys👍
@MadeIn Okinawa, Right!?!?!
Oh! So that's what the difference is between Billet and forged, thanks guys!
I have three ARs with Anderson lowers ($40 plus tax) and they are matched with Aero Precision uppers and they all are a perfect fit. JP Enterprises and SRC are my preferred choices for bolt and bolt carriers, but I am also using Aero Precision and Wilson Combat. I am a huge Giessele Trigger fan. Very informative video. You pretty much confirmed that I have made really good choices in all my builds. With the exception of my Sig MCX and MPX all of my ARs are personal builds. Thank you for putting this together.
I am new to the AR platform. but having shoot mine for the first time today. I enjoyed it. The 223 rounds ran fine but i noticed that the 556 was hanging up a little bit when they were trying to load. My Gun smith said it probably wasnt cleaned probably. He is good at what he does so I will take it to him. But I really like how it shoots. Less recoil obviously, but fun to shoot. I love my Mossberg as one of my home defense gun.
I just built an Anderson lower that has The Punisher with Trump hair laser etched Lol . it’s awesome!
You need to do a video on comparing different calibers. This is great info and im glad i went with building rather than buying.
Great video my dad wants to build an ar and i pointed him here to help him figure out what he wants. I also learned some things.
One of the best informative AR videos I've seen so far. I would definitely recommend this video to any looking to get into purchasing or building. Keep up the good work fellas.
Chad, what you described was a cast receiver. Forgings are pounded into a mold with a giant hammer.
Here's my list in order of what to upgrade on your AR if you didn't build it.
1)Trigger
2)BCG
3)Buffer Assembly
4)Barrel
5)Handguard
Not going to list sights, MBUS rear and A2 front sight are sufficient. If you got a flat-top with no A2 front sight then go with the full MBUS set or try out other brands at a gun store.
Kyle M I just ordered my first AR-15, a Springfield Saint and according to reviews the trigger is really good. My first upgrade would be a Trijicon MRO scope then a free float handguard.
What I'd give to "download" the brainpower from both Eric & Chad, but this video will do. This is gold! This will save everyone from the headaches of trial & error. Thanks so much guys. I will refer to this video forever, when I need the info!
SLR makes adjustable gas blocks, which are set screw or clamp-on, and they come in steel and titanium, they are great! (but spendy)
I love Chad's sweatshirt.
so true
They are from 1776united.com
It's supposedly a quote from Thomas Jefferson but theres no evidence that I've seen where he actually said that anywhere
The Blind Leader someone is sore.
unknown person Who?
I want and AR but like you said there are so many options out. Don't know rather to buy or build. There is a lot I'm looking for in one.
correction, muzzle brakes reduce recoil that goes rearward, compensators reduce muzzle climb, there are a lot of devices that do some combination of both, whether they're balanced to do both equally, or more one than the other, or some combination of those plus flash suppression (obviously a flash hider is the pure form of solely flash suppression without the other 2 qualities) and the a2 device is a mix of mostly flash suppressor and a little bit of a compensator
You two are some of the most informative people on line, you guys seam to be good friends and are very charismatic. Thanks for all the great knowledge.
Minor correction, brake is for reduced recoil, compensator is for reduced muzzle rise, flash hider function is self explanatory. I run a gamma vg6. It's a combined compensator and two chamber brake. Makes for a nice flat shooter. Horrible blast for People near by though.
My first rifle was an AR-15. I'll always adore the platform. That being said, I really want an AK as my next rifle!
love the hard work yall put into these videos! thank you for helping me find and continue to build my ar :D
I recently rebuilt an AR in 5.56 that got a 300 BlackOut round in it. It blew out the extractor and stuck the round but otherwise blew out the mag well as designed.
How does a .223 caliber barrel fit a .30 caliber bullet? It won't. So it either had a complete out of battery or a very badly cut barrel. Or it was a 556 that got put in a 300blk rifle. Because a .300 blk bullet physically won't fit in the barrel of a 556
Unless they just rammed it in the 556 chamber and literally pushed the 30 cal bullet all the way into the case. It wouldn't even start to go down a 556 barrel tho
Oh man... that "special paperwork" that Chad alluded to when talking about transfering SBRs over state lines sounds awfully familiar to the ATT (Authorization to Transport) Permits issued to Restricted Firearms Owners in Canada.
Yall left no stone unturned with this video! Excellent work fellas! 👍
omg love that "fear" shirt, and the "2nd matters" hat, I got to find me those!
This was an excellent video, however, one item not mentioned was "port size." Port size is the diameter of the hole drilled into the barrel leading to the gas block and varies in circumference from length of the gas tube to length of the barrel to diameter of the barrel. A barrel .625" in diameter with a length of 11.5" has an average port size of .085". The same length barrel with a diameter of .750" would need a port size of .090". You can go on and on depending on the dwell time required to properly cycle your gun. The length of the gas tube is not the only variable in cycling the AR. The size of the gas port plus the distance from the gas port to the end of the barrel and the time it takes a bullet to travel that distance (Dwell Time) is very important. Dwell times differ significantly. Consider the distance from the gas port to the end of the muzzle of an 11.5" barrel = about 3.85". The distance for a 16" carbine is about 9.5" and a 20" barrel is 7" due to a longer gas length tube. Having an adjustable gas block does nothing if the port size is too small therefore some people elect to over-drill the gas port hole 1/100th of an inch larger prior to installation. You can always narrow a hole but you can't make it wider. As mentioned prior, this was an outstanding educational video like most all Iraqveteran8888 videos are and I don't know 1/10th of what those guys know. I just wanted to point out some additional variables one might encounter when troubleshooting or building a gun.
Reading that gave my eyes cancer. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
"Runs like a scalded dog" made me role on the ground with laughter. Never heard of that before. Keep up the good work.
It’s southern term!
You guys make great videos, but I just want to clarify the miss information in this video.
Forged is NOT molten metal poured into a mold. It is heated metal forced into a mold, which creates a VERY strong part.
Molten metal poured into a mold is casting.
His description of billet in the video is accurate.
Forged parts are stronger than billet and billet is stronger than cast.
+betatalk357 You have your information confused.
When made from the same grade aluminum, forging is stronger than billet.
There are some higher grades of aluminum that can't be forged, but can still be machined. So, billet has the possibility to be stronger than forged in that situation.
Your average billet parts most likely wont be made out of high grade, non forgeable aluminum though. So, forged parts in general are stronger than billet.
Love the sweatshirt. Think I will engrave that on my AR when I build it.
“Acooterments” my new favorite word!
accoutrements... it's a French word, but the English language adopted it.
Cooter brown. As in: He's drunker than cooter brown.
Excellent video Eric and Chad! God Bless
There is a big difference between what you said about forging and reality. You described casting and machining. Forging is heating raw metal and hammering or stamping with heavy machinery into a shape that can be machined also. The difference is significant. Forging rearranges the atomic structure of the metal strengthening it.
POF 3.5 flat triggers are nice as well
strongly considering a AR-15 variant as my first combat rifle, this is helpful
Lately, and by lately I mean in the past four or five years, I've purchased BCM uppers, and the lowers are what ever good deal is out there at my local gun shop at the time. For example, right now my main rifle is a Spikes honey badger lower, with a BCM 20 inch government profile upper, with carry handle irons, penis products M5 RAS, magpul grip/trigger guard, Numrich surplus A2 buttstock with metal door... oh yeah Mt. Rainier NiBr BCG, which I only purchased at the time because it was a 2nd (blemished) for very cheap, but I couldn't see the blemish on it at all.. might have been a tiny spot that I wiped off... Anyhow ALG trigger, got lucky and it is excellent, Stagg lower parts kit. It's a decent AR for under 800 bucks!!
As a standard reference point should be, a Colt LE6920 w/ relia-bolt. This is just the standard for low cost VS FUNCTIONALITY. It just makes sense for a bare bone mil-spec rifle(I bought an unfurnished Colt LE6920 for 769$), w/quality guts( a crome bolt carrier + sharps relia-bolt) and nothing more to be a minimum in standards. Missed this in this particular video... A reference point I mean. But wow! This video had a lot to display and explain!
oh, and for the record, melonite/nitriding provides wear and resilience comparable or superior to chrome without decreasing accuracy AT ALL and will generally only be about 10-20 dollars more than a regular non treated barrel. Food for thought
Is there a video of Chad's SBR?
As always, thanks’ for taking the time to make this video! And I support this site. ~M~
Wow Chad Looks Young in This Video 😮😮😮 Nice Rifles Guys Love Them All
I like the Sig brace on that pistol!
I was a product of the US Army in the 1960's and I never ever saw the fascination with the AR-15. The early Colt M-16's were nothing but junk and with me, it really hit home. I own a AK platform and the closet to an AR I will get, is the Ruger Mini 14. As for all the other folks out there, what floats your boat..........
Your statement says a lot about your ignorance! Try SmallArmsSolutions and get an education.
Nice to see you wearing an Every 2nd Matters hat.
Forging does not involve liquid metal, that’s casting. Forging and billet aluminum are extremely similar in structure, however forged aluminum is actually considered more uniform in grain because of the extreme heat used, while billet or CNC machined aluminum is a little less uniform because of the way it’s cut/shaved. I’m not a gunsmith, however I am a performance engine technician. Forged/billet pistons are generally regarded as equal in strength, billet tends to be a bit more expensive because billet parts are custom CNC machined which require time and not to mention a large chunk of material to modify. Forging has a bigger initial capital investment due to the tooling, but each part is easier/quicker to make. Forging is a more streamlined process that is used in large scale manufacturing because of the tooling involved. Forging involves heating a piece of metal, roughly similar in shape and size to the final product, and then essentially stamping the metal or bending/crushing it to shape. The forged part is then typically drilled and further machined to specification. Both forging and billet aluminum are fairly uniform in molecular layout but forged parts are considered more consistent in structure throughout the material. Price will typically be cheaper on forged parts because they are often made in higher volume, while CNC billet parts aren’t as common because this process is usually used in low volume or custom applications.
I believe the marks on the upper receiver designate the manufacturer, not milspec. Great vids guys.
Thank you guys!!
AR-15 gas system lengths:
How far down the barrel the gas port is as well as ideal barrel lengths for given gas system.
Pistol: 4.846"
- for barrels measuring less than 10" in length.
Carbine: 7.866"
-barrels measuring 10.0" to 14.5"
Midlength: 9.866"
-barrels measuring 14.5" to 18"
Rifle: 13.241"
-barrels measuring 18"+
Most people round the measurements pretty close but I have no idea why everyone says rifle length is 12" when its really well over 13".
Going over your older video from the beginning to the present. Law changes that hurt the sporting gun trade as of today to a unsure future. I know from being a member of Milatery to gun club to being gun less in the draconian Untied Kingdom.(does not feel United since the lie of the towers murder make) I hope America stays the home of the brave and the home of the free. Keep the quality videos coming.
Bushmaster has one of the best mil-spec single stage off the shelf factory triggers in my oppinion.
geissele
excellent video I just became a AR owner for the first time thanks guys
Note: locktite is thermal plastic! On the gas block it will get hot enough to turn it into a liquid lubricant on a role pin.
I used permanent high temperature loctite on a lot of things, and could always melt it with an acetylene torch if I needed it to break loose!
This is all fine and dandy but, WHAT ABOUT MIL SURP VIDS? Your military surplus videos/reviews are what won you my subscription and I'll tell you what, its been a while guys. Please don't disappoint!
Bwahahahaha! “Acooter ments”. That made me smile... 🤗
nice hoodie Chad
@12:53 - much respect for your channel as you don’t beat people over the head with your point of view , BUT I bet you have a chrome lined barrel AR -15( s) ! I had a del ton with a 4140 cm barrel that was not chrome lined and it consistently shot 1 3/8” 5 shot patterns with white box 55 gr ammo VS my Colt 6920 shooting 1.5-1.75” with same ammo; that was back in 2003.
Guess which one is still going strong? Yeah that chrome lined Colt with its CMV barrel! Even here in “ guns is bad” California , the Del Ton with out barrel treatment showed signs of rust despite trying to keep it oiled and its lans and grooves wore down after 4,100 rounds.
Barrels are cheap ( $140-400 from avg manufacturers) but with the better barrel steel- mil spec CMV/ mil 4150, and treated with nitride or melonite or chrome lined , I have no problem sacrificing .5 to 1moa for longevity and durability
Absolutely excellent video. Very informative.👍🏼