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Again massive respect for taking on that project by yourself. And thanks for sharing the mistakes so others can avoid them and tips so we can use them.
I left a comment earlier. I watched the entire series while you were building and was proud of your achievement and how you pushed through until the end. This video is also wonderful and so useful to those thinking of building themselves. Very nicely done.
Hi Robert. Thank you for this view and all the others. Everyone that watched the build spurred me on with their comments along the way. For that I am grateful.
I’m not sure if it’s available in your area but here in the states we have a product called zip sheeting. It’s an osb and water and air barrier in one sheet. Then you use their tape at the seems. Saves a step of wrapping and it’s water and air tight. They have a roofing sheet version as well. If you need more insulation than 2x4 will allow they offer what’s called zip-r. It’s a Polly iso insulations glued to the osb with the same water and air barrier. Also for a shed you could have gone with advanced framing which is studs on 24” center vs traditional 16” center. Saves a lot of wood and could offer enough savings to bump up 2x4 to 2x6 to get more r value in your walls.
A huge project. Even bigger when you factor in how you had to get materials in and out. Good job!! So glad you escaped serious injury. You worried me more than once watching this build.
Yeah one thing I'd put on the list of things he should have had is an A frame dolly. He could have hauled everything with one of those. The sheets, those pavers, bags of material, all of it.
Mark, I really enjoy your channel and look forward to seeing any new video you post. I had a similar experience, building a 8’ x 6’ garden shed for yard tool and garden supplies storage. I went through all the same thoughts and decisions you did, and the same process of questioning and second-guessing my decisions. Fortunately, I had my adult Son helping me and your point about getting assistance is spot-on! You have one of the most relatable TH-cam channels on crafts and woodworking. Keep it up! Looking forward to seeing the next video!
Fascinating video mark - nearly dropped my tea when you mentioned the cost of the screws!!! I’m sure the cost in the end was worth the experience gained, and the workshop looks amazing!
Yes. I was a little surprised too Alex. Didnt feel so much when I was buying a few boxes at a time. The overall cost felt a lot too but belt and braces and all than.
He may have paid more than he had to but he got more too. That shed is way better than what a pro would build you. They know how to shave everywhere. Sure less can do you too but in the end it's less and it doesn't last as long. It's just not as good.
Hi Jack. Hope you are well bud. I saw that you were planning on moving a. shed and building a workshop. Super exciting. Are you planning a build series. I really enjoyed mine and people were very supportive.
I think you definitely should . I found the editing of the videos was a good time to let the body recover. I sense a lot of vests are going to be on show right?
You’ve done a really awesome job building as well as documenting your successes and opportunities for improvement. It’s very encouraging to see the before and after functionality. I watch a ton of makers on TH-cam and your videos are some of my favorites. Keep up the good work. Thanks for your effort.
Thank you!! This is exactly what I'm facing living on a terraced house on a main road with not much front space. Just seen a house down the road where they stack 4 of those jumbo bags of sand one on top of the other 2 x 2. They'll gonna need a ladder to access it 😅 Commenting so I'll watch in full this weekend.
Wow. I spoke to the builders merchant and they offered the ton bags and I just imagined wheel barrow carrying it through the house. It was bad enough carrying the bags of sand and rubble though. Though, in the end, taking it slow and steady, it wasn't all that bad.
This was such a great series Mark, and this is a great synopsis with an interesting twist of the earnings from the video series. I've built 3 sheds in my woodworking life. Every shed went over budget, took significantly longer than expected, but each was a learning experience and all served their purpose well. I think regardless of the trial and error, frustration, and maybe "imperfect" results, building a shed is a great skill builder. Learn the materials, learn the process, and take pride in the fruits of your labor.
Could not agree more Jered. Thank you. The funny thing with the video income is that it was far lower until the speed run build video suddenly took off. So I have re recorded the earnings bit a fair few times to keep it accurate. Fact is the videos may eventually pay for a decent chunk of the build but for now I hope they inspire a few people to know that someone with very little skill can do more than they expect. The budget was initially set before I decided to make the shed sturdier. I was saying to my wife yesterday that knowing what I know now I could have stretched the materials out a fair amount more and actually the 11k budget could have build a shed 1.5 times larger probably. But no way I would have managed that, or even gotten planning. But good to know for the future. So long as the knees hold out.
@startmaking1 hindsight is always 20/20 as they say. The playhouse I built for my daughter blew the budget by $1000. For the price we ended paying, I could have hired a local company to erect a pre-fab model. But where's the fun in that? I think you released your roofing video right when I was doing my roof, and even with knee pads, it was still rough on the body. Glad this shop build worked out for you. Hopefully in the near future I can find some pennies to throw at my shop
It's a hard balancing act of spending against making do. I am definitely at the stop and save part of the cycle for a small time. The table saw at around £800 while not being expensive was also above what I could have paid but I hope it will serve me well. I often think about the budget of the build etc and I have to say that lessons learnt and satisfaction are priceless in the grand scheme of things. PS looking forward to the next podcast. Take care bud.
I built my workshop a few years back. No rear access but I got in a company that mixed concrete on site & a concrete pump. It made for a really easy base to start from. It may not be the cheapest option but does save you a lot of time and you don't need to drag all of the materials through the house (at least for the slab) I had help from my wife & three kids on the build so it made for a great family experience, it also made it a lot easier getting that first framed wall up 🙂 4x2 walls with 50mm EPS as insulation (I also use that same insulation for the roof) 12mm OSB for the internal walls, 18MM OSB for the roof (I'm a big lad and had to walk on it to put the felt on) and Tyvek, more OSB & then shiplap for the outside. The doors are the same construction as the walls (2 x 3' doors) and finished (a year later) with a small porch so that I don;t get soaked when I open up and it's bucketing down with rain. Apart from the base, the only other thing that I had pro help with was the electrics. It was a long run from the fuse board to the workshop through a maze of pipework from a previous extension (if they damage the pipework then it's on them to fix it) and I wanted to ensure that I didn't stuff it up and burn down my nice new workshop. It is a great feeling to accomplish something like this and, if budget allows, I would definitely recommend giving it a go. My budget was helped greatly as I worked for a builders merchant at the time so got staff discount on most of the materials used for the build.
Hi Robert Thank you for sharing the story. I really wish I had checked out the base pouring in more detail. The slabs nearly killed me . Amazing getting the family involved. I was way too stubborn for that. I am definitely considering a porch of sorts. Though it will go against planning, I may just risk it and slap one up and hope for the best, This week I got absolutely soaked and it came in a little under the doors as the wind was facing them. So a porch with proper doors would certainly solve that. And it is another place to store off cuts lol. Amazing getting a discount too. I think I got a fair price on the materials though I probably could have saved if In had bulk bought. Who knows. the electrics are all pro installed. They ran the armoured cable and fitted 2 rings. The kill switch is my favourite bit. No worrying if I have switched anything off.
Great catch-up. Completely agree about the impact driver. Brought my first one last year from Screwfix when they did the bare DeWalt one for less than half price at £50 and now I wouldn't be without it 😄
Hi Chris. Could not agree more. I failed to mention that my first Makita gave up after the walls section as I had just gone at it too hard but I replaced it and the new one with the power control buttons is top notch.
Absolutely fantastic video and so concise for the amount of info within. Your original series was what inspired me to pull my finger out and do my own. 👍
Perfectly timed Mark. Just in discussion with my finance manager (wife) about build or buy for additional storage and workshop extension. Really useful info that is very much appreciated. Onwards !
I went through the same journey 3 years ago. Although my circumstances were completely different, the approach was quite similar. Can’t imagine having to carry everything through the house like that, that was wild! Happy for you that the project is done, but also kind of sad the video series is ending!
By different circumstances I presume you mean more skills, you can say it lol. joking aside, I dont think I would have done it if I knew back then how much effort it would take to carry it all through. Luckily I had no idea. Im a little sad as now I need some good ideas for videos. But first I need good packaging ideas. Im going to learn, surely. PS glad to see your channel getting the love it deserves.
When I saw him carrying everything by hand I thought, No. On jobs we have these things called A frame carts we use. They're made for moving panels but you can put anything on those.
Well done Mark. Another really great video. Have watched loads of tutorials but none that explain: how heavy those boards are, realistic costs, the pain of moving materials, or honesty about the mindset of when things don't go perfectly. After watching your first video on the series, I started to do a similar build. 100% inspired by yourself. Still haven't got the roof on yet, but will definitely use some of things said here. Other than what you've said, only thing I can recommend is a nail gun. I rented mine from Travis Perkins for less than £100 and it really got me along faster, I think. £100 on nails too though, so maybe not the cheapest route. Also from a novice DIYer perspective, it was quite scary to use at first, but by panel 3 it became natural. Anyways, just wanted to say thank you for the video. It's almost spooky how much I needed it. And great news about the viewership increase on your channel. I really hope it helps to pay for the workshop. Cheers
Hi James thanks you very much. I cant believe that I inspired anyone with this. I am a little jealous of the nail gun. So much quicker and less effort. I appreciate you reaching out to tell me about your build. I could not be more chuffed.
Nice video, Mark. I'm so pleased I'm not the only one who tries to cut corners by working around materials.😂 You're absolutely right, though. Clear the decks first. It makes a huge difference.
Thoroughly enjoyed the series Mark and as I have said in previous videos you have done a wonderful job and you should be extremely proud of what you have achieved. I take my hat off to you. Now, you just enjoy the fruits of your labour and enjoy your workshop. Thank you.
Thank you Steve. I think that when I have finished the work bench which is 80% of the way there, I will feel very settled for quite a while. Thank you for watching along the way.
Hey Mark, thank you for a really great and interesting video, what a nightmare having to take all your materials through the house! You have pretty much built a little house at the end of the garden, this will surely add value to your property? I think the most important point you make is, have another pair of hands, there are lots of people out there that would have enjoyed this process and been happy to exchange time on their own build, thanks again for taking the time and trouble to post this, stay lucky
Hi Paul. Thank you. It was a lot to be honest and I'm not sure I would do it again knowing how hard it was with the access. A second pair of hands throughout would definitely make this kind of build far easier and more enjoyable.
That was a really useful video and looking forward to watching the others as looking to build the exact same thing. The question I have is, as I unfortunately don't have any assistance from anyone local to help build it, is how you lifted the rubber roofing on to the roof? A couple of years ago I built a timber frame garage 5M x 2.5M with rubber roofing and did not realise heavy it was (the delivery guy made it look easy when he dropped it in my porch) ended up using a ladder at a shallow angle with timber supports underneath to roll it up onto the roof which was very hard work and not particularly safe. I also think it is great once it's on as it massively reduces the chances of leaks if fitted correctly Thanks
You ask a very important question as this was one of the few jobs I had my dad help with. Dont do it alone unless you set up platforms of some kind. I did the bulk of the lift on this but having someone there was important . What I actually did was move a table to where the doors were. Lift the roof onto the table, then standing on the table, lift it up and support it on the 2 open doors. Then from the roof lift the rest. I have seen someone open the rubber on the ground and then pull it up the ladder after them but I would be far too worried about ripping. I could not believe watching my delivery guy lifting the roof like it was nothing too.
Brilliant video, I really like how honest and open you are in all your videos. One thing you didn't say is building it yourself you can get exactly the design you want. Great channel, keep up the excellent work 👍
I followed the whole build really enjoyed it coming from a family of construction craftsmen I am really impressed saw the errors as they came and how you dealt with working alone did make me shudder at times but hats off you deserve the following 👏
@@startmaking1 at 14 (1969) I was all set to become a carpenter at which point my dad said if he caught me with a set of chisels in my hand he would cut my fingers off I went int shipbuilding as a welder now at 68 I am a Senior welding inspector teaching my grandson carpentry in my loft workshop the circle comes around some easy projects for young learners with autism would help from the TH-cam community would help he’s made a pocket hole table by Lion and Bear just need some further inspiration keep putting it out I will keep watching 😊
Haven’t seen any of the build videos, only this one. I am in a similar position having recently completed my garden cabin 3.6 m x 3.6 m with pyramid roof. Still have some small bits to do to get the building fully finished. Cost wise It will come in at around £7,500 all in including some tool purchase and 30 sq m Indian stone patio. It’s been a lot of work and all done on my own apart from three days help sheathing the roof, Very satisfying lots of lessons learnt, and some regrets in build decisions in hindsight, however it’s a fabulous addition and I will get a lot of use from it.
Mark as always belting vid rkid as you know my shed is made of palettes and reclaimed timber I love recycling wood bin struggling with mental health the last 3 weeks your vids help me get back in there cheers mark👍
Hi Bud. I love your shed from what I have seen but that and my video are not important. What is important is your mental health. I am so sorry to hear that you have been struggling. To be honest I have ups and downs especially during the winter months. Im not offering any kind of advice as I dont know your situation at all but I will say that a few weeks ago I had to take a big step back from a few of the balls I was juggling. things have a way of creeping up on you and suddenly swamping you when you least expect it. I started woodworking as a form of therapy and when social media gets in the way I just take a day to build something, or just sit in the workshop with a cup of tea and breathe. Im rambling now. I guess what I am saying is you are important and you should do what it takes to look after you. Take care bud.
@startmaking1 I'm in the shed 2 hours a day at the mo but ye got to get moving naw feel better the last couple of days so fingers crossed for some reason I watch all your vids all the way through face book dus my head in cos peeps keep going on about spelling I'm dyslexic and it's a pet hate of mine eneywho keep smiling mark your doing really well thanks 😊
I have stopped using FB. Found it was not the best place for mental health tbh. People have stopped thinking about the effects that their words can have. I hope that the shed time is still paying off. I know that after a few hours down there I feel far more balanced if that is the word. Take care bud.
Fantastic series of videos. I've watched this build from the start. Really well done Mark. I've built my workshop, some 4.8m Square, and 2.1 - 2.4 high. Mostly from reclaimed timber.
Top stuff! This is exactly the template I'm looking for. Liked and subscribed! And I'm really pleased for you that the video revenue has gone apart of the way to cover your costs. Making videos is not trivial :)
Glad I could help. There are definitely things I would do differently but it is standing still and that really helps. As for revenue. I was a little surprised at how the videos did and still do. One day maybe in 10 years they will cover the cost and I can build another, larger one. Who knows.
Thanks so much for the build series, of course I've watched a few others like Badgers as well I'd be lying if I said I didn't, and the saving tips have helped also, this has all been great info for me as I begin my own (smaller) workshop build next month👍
I was inspired by Badgers one. Really well described series. Good luck with your build. I reckon it will be the perfect time of year to crack on. It was a little late in the summer when I started, far too hot.
I built a nearly exact size one for a neighbour, had a minidigger to take off topsoil so that was handy , and i had access at side of house, didn't put a solid base in, just laid concrete block on their flat side in a grid pattern on hard core on a bed of mortar, then attached floor deck to that. used tin cladding outside so it looks more utilitarian, and insulated panels for the roof, works out a bit cheaper than your roof cos you don't need timber, seperate insulation, rubber , etc, plus they go on really quickly. Got second hand pvc windows and door for 100 quid. Insulated walls and floor and ply lined. Total cost was around 4 800 excl labour. No electric fitted yet but planned for future. That was 3 years ago? Prob cost nearer 6 grand today with price of materials.
I find that quite reassuring Kevin to be honest. I know I spent almost twice the current value of your build but for the first timer I dont think I had the confidence to go for a lot of the areas of savings. Your roof sounds a lot simpler.
@@startmaking1 yea those panels will span 4 metres unsupported and you can walk around on them for maintenance, very quick to put on, mine took 2 hours with 1 man's help, start to finish, which is handy in our crap climate 😄
It's been very interesting watching your videos as you've progressed because I'm looking at replacing a shed at our new place with shed/summer room. Basically a shed slightly larger than what's there, sticking another on the end next to it and making one large building with a divider somewhere near the middle giving the summer room more space. The one thing that I'm unsure of is the base. Sure, I can get concrete made up and make a base but I've been considering raising the structure off the ground on stilts, allowing air to travel underneath keeping it dry. Still got loads of research to do before I start work on it, think that stage is 2 years off yet. I need to sit down and watch the videos again and make some notes...
hi. That sounds like a really cool project. I have to say that the base was my most nervous area. And the area that I have the least clue about. I will say that raising it up is a smart move as I am now going to be forever clearing any leaves that land close to the shed just in case. Research and planning are the areas I wish I had spent more time on. Best of luck bud.
Hi Mark hope your well, The workshop build has been a great series and we always think could I have done it different. When we build some thing always thing ahead but the most important thing is to be happy with your build. Yes after may be we could save some money on materials saying that you know its a solid build and doing your first big build there is nothing wrong doing it belt and braces best to be over engineered than under engineered. I think you have got an amazing workshop some thing to be proud of and to know that it you that built it cant take that from you. As always a great video catch you on the next one Take care Mate
Hi Shaun. You are right. there are always improvements seen after the fact. Whether it is a small box or a large building. And you are so right. Just being happy with the result and the lessons learnt is enough. I mentioned this to someone else in these comments about their positivity in the woodworking YT space and you deserve the same thank you. I see you comment loads of positivity all round the woodworking YT space and it does not go unnoticed. At least from me anyway. Every video I watch has a nice comment from you. It makes a difference.
That’s a very good guide, can’t fault any of it except that after I built my first one I bought myself a battery finishing nail gun which made subsequent ones much much quicker and easier as like you I prefer to use screws not nails.
Great video Mark thanks for sharing how much it cost you to build your workshop . You Sir did an amazing job building it by yourself. Keep up the great job can’t wait to see your next video.
Thank you Jim. I have to say that I notice your positive comments across a whole lot of woodworking videos and for spreading that huge amount of positivity within the space I want to say thank you.
I spent about 1500 on screws for framing my house. Another couple of hundred on collated plasterboard screws too. You don't consider how much they are until you add them all up! Although I just put up an OSB ceiling in my garage this last week and I was very happy to have had boxes of the collated screws leftover. T'was like a little gift to myself.
Exactly this. It doesnt feel much when buying a box here and there. I know what you mean about having them over too. Building a workbench now and having loads of different sized screws around is priceless.
ive been quoted under 40k for a design i made of around 42m2,, with all the power points, cladding, insulation etc soo that seems like a similar price but with the labour and shipping etc included here
Well mate, thats all the worrying over and it turned out to be great. Still looking at 4ft of snow here but Im ready to start… REALLY READY. Mine is 8.8m x 6m. I agree that the planing is really important, alot of drawings and changes now will hopefully cut down on mistakes under construction. The other thing is I have been buying tools and materials for the last year to help spread the cost. Just bought the Makita 12inch LS1219L mitersaw, think this will help with the framing. Anyway keep up the good work. Looking forward to the next vid. Keep well. Cheers Peter.
Hi Peter. thank you for your patience with this video. I know you have been waiting. Wow 4ft snow. That is a bit of a hindrance. What a great size too. Yours will fit mine in at least 3 times over. Brilliant space. Spreading the cost is also a really good idea. I was lucky, the month I paid for a lot of it my jewellery box video had a stormer and brought in a nice lump sum, not the total by a long shot but it softened the blow. A mitre saw will definitely help too. Though the circular saw and speed square was pretty accurate.
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My brain says YAH Let's do this!!! My wallet and body are Yah right M8. And Council property limits and restrictions. Thanks Mark, I'll have to live vicariously through your shop and videos. And my pop-up gazabo. Take care & stay safe.
Hi Doug. It does sound like a lot, well, it is a lot of money. I approach it differently as I am making a side hustle income from the workshop so I guess it is different. What I am trying to say is that I was so very happy in my falling down shed and could have had a hobby in there until it turned into kindling. But then the videos started. I imagine that you are as happy in the Gazebo as I was in the shed and that is not to be underestimated. My body still aches from the build too lol.
Thanks for this. First video of yours I've watched. I've been through all the Ali Dymock videos (where is he now?) and it's useful to see someone else having a go. The cost comparison of a pre-built one is very useful to know.
Thank you. I reached out to Ali and said thank you but didnt get a reply. He hasn't posted in a long time and his videos were so instrumental in my build. It would have been nice to say a huge thank you.
I know. And to not see outside is weird but the noise and light control is top notch. Helps as the Dewalt table saw I have just got is like an aircraft.
very informative vid ,i used my multi vibrating tool to cut out the siding of my shed to put in the windows and plan to do the same when i put in a 2nd door just cut along the 2 by 4 studs. i like the steel roofing and siding we get hail and very strong winds here in Oklahoma so need a good base and roof great video glad i am a subscriber enjoyed all of your vids get a different perspective!!
I am a little jealous of the multi tool. They look so useful. ITs on the list. I can imagine you do need a very strong roof for sure. I dont think mine is going anywhere but you never know. And thank you for following the journey. Very much appreciated.
I’m on a similar journey as you. I do not try to do videos professionally as you but I also have build a garden room which is 2/3s office and 1/3 my workshop. And documented it on my channel. What I’d like is for people to find the inspiration and courage to do woodworking with limited budget and space. And everything I learned on how to do it is from youtube. Same as you 👍
I will have to take a look at the videos. I have learned everything off YT too. It's a great space for learning. Thank you for watching my little channel.
I’m currently halfway through building my workshop. It’s open on one side and I’m using round wood small trees for framing. Pallet wood for walls and bought some tin roofing. I’m lucky I already have a concrete floor and a small forest full of sweet chestnut, black locust and hornbeam. My cost so far is only £200, for the tin roof and some screws and nails. Because of time I’m half mortises and tenoning it for the main bits and screws and nails for the brackets and rafters. But I can say it’s a lot of work and you need some half decent tools. Chainsaw, the makita planer is a godsend. Router for the mortises, circular saw and a decent chisel. And I’m lucky I’ve built it next to another building so I don’t need power. Fed up of not being able to work in the rain and having to set up my equipment every time.
Wow, that sounds really cool. Way beyond my skills but I bet it will look amazing. And for only £200 so far. Thats insanely good. I totally understand about working outside. I used to work on a couple of saw horses outside and it was such an effort getting stuff made. Sounds funny but at the moment I am still taking wood outside to cut as I have not set up my dust extraction and because I do a lot of talking in the workshop dust is a right pain. Seems there is always something else to do lol.
@@startmaking1 yeah that’s one of the bonuses is I don’t need much dust extraction other than a mask while sanding and routing. But no trust me skills are minimal at the mo 😂 but I’m learning. I did take your last comment to heart though on the video and wished I’d have filmed my progress. Always make excuses not to but you’ve humanised it a lot and it still looks very professional.
Greetings from Texas. Just found this channel and new subscriber. I grew up in a small town in a mostly rural area. We lived on an acre in town and my father always had a large shop. I completely understand the "fed up" statement. My shop is in a two car garage, in which we still park two cars. Most equipment is on casters. Workbench is stationary beside a wall. I also share the space with a food freezer, a storage cabinet and storage shelves holding a lot or useless junk which my wife insists we must keep. Each time I want to work, I must move cars, get out equipment, do the work, clean the space and put the equipment away and finally move cars back into the garage. Clean up and put away process takes 30 to 45 minutes on a good day. I live in a major metropolitan area. Our lot is only 70' x 120' and the back 10' is taken up with a utility easement. The house and driveway take up another 4000 or so square feet. There are 6' setback rules on the sides. I have virtually no place on my property on which I can build any kind of shop unless I chop down a huge tree in the back yard and give up the idea of any kind of back yard/garden area.
Thanks Mark. Watch all the build videos as I'm planning a similar but smaller build once the UK weather becomes more predictable. Thanks for the honesty with your mistakes. You'll save a lot of us a lot of pain i'm sure. Keep up the good work. Very engaging content.
Thank you. Much appreciated. I think that spring is the perfect time to start one of these. I was too late and the weather heated up a little too much. Good luck with the build. I cant wait to hear how you get on.
One thing you can just about guarantee with these projects is bad weather. When I did the roof on my shed I think it rained at least half the time I was doing it. At one point I just stood there and thought, this is typical. Because before then we hadn't had rain in months.
Brilliant job mark, thanks for the breakdown of everything it's so useful. When I build mine I was hoping to do a 6x3 room for around 10k - i will definitely be planning ahead with a materials list in order to negotiate bulk discounts, and no doubt to realise it will be over budget 😅 Also, definitely going to invest in a hikoki or milwaukee first fix nail gun (even though I'm on makita ordinarily)
From the little I know, I firmly believe that you can do it for that budget with a little more planning than I did. It will be a really nice size too. Mine, plus a little overall.
I cant even describe how much I have learnt. You are right. And how much woodworking confidence I have gained. I have not said this before much but in this area of TH-cam it is easy to feel like an imposter to the experts and in a way this series has made me feel like I have gained a little credit as a woodworker. Like it has elevated me from beginner to intermediate in a way. Hard to describe. I know I am far from an expert and definitely not a teacher in any way but in myself I feel like I have gained a small amount of standing. Something like that.
What a cool share Mark. Not sure I can convince the Long Haired Colonel to let me spend the money though, maybe I could convert the master bedroom into a workshop! If only I were that brave. so I guess I better just clear out my garage better! LOL.
Hi Ian. Thank you very much. I dont think. your idea is brave, more crazy lol. Though if you do try it is worth setting up a camera for the response, could make a great video lol.
That was interesting. I started one last April and have still to finish! Made some different choices but think I'm coming in at 10K for 4.3x3.6m, so quite comparable.
Interesting numbers. For estimates, I have always used the material cost and added that number in again for the labour. At $11,000 (your cost) x 2 = $22,000 (cost to have it done), you're right on the money. I know it's pounds, not dollars, but same thing.
Have you seen the spruce log cabins, diy kits double glazed with nordic spruce tongue and Grove timbers for around 4 grand for something the same size.
I just took a look. The interior is a fair bit smaller but they do look quite good. I bet once you insulate them they are probably ok. To be fair if I had stopped at the spec they are offering it would have been a similar price apart from I spent more on the roof I guess. They also look like they come in pieces that are a little large to get through a house. I always assumed these would not work for my specific needs. But they look good value. And the one I looked at offers additional extra of insulation.
@startmaking1 maybe looking at a different one to me, the ones I'm looking at basically come as 45mm x 90mm timbers that are cut to length and tongued ready to build, would've been ideal to run through the window like you did, irrelevant anyway, you've done an impressive job on yours anyway.
I am not too worried about the screws. You are right but I dont see the weather offering up enough to snap all the screws I used. Or I hope not anyway.
Hi John. It's hard isnt it. The decisions that feel right at the time suddenly dont a few months later. I will say that I dont think any build is perfect and though plasterboard may not be perfect, I bet it is better than ply for sound proofing. Im a little jealous of that. I seriously considered it from the point of as and when I sell the house it would be a nicer interior finish for people wanting a home office or gym. But my final decision was made when I imagined how many hole I would put in it just from swinging long boards around. But I dont think anything is perfect.
Hi. Thank you. Approx time of build would be very rough but it was 28 days and averaging 25 of those working. Probably 7 hours a day average. But remember that also includes carrying all the stuff from the road to the site. I hope that helps.
My experience is if u buy, its cheaper but wont last long. If u build urself, u can build to ur spec, yes it costs more, but it will last many many years, if done right and maintained!
This cost less than anything he could have bought. I think it's way better too. Heck I know it is. I know what people sell you. They sell you what they an make a lot on.
Thank you, your build videos and the costs breakdown is extremely helpful 👍 I am about to start my workshop build, 8 metres by 6 metres, god help me 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
The suggestion to avoid osb on the walls is pretty bad advice. That is providing all the diagonal bracing and a lot of the strength (unless you are going to put it on the inside instead)
To be honest I am no expert. But I will say that for the cost, I made it entirely to my specs and with belt and braces insulation. It has been brilliant since. there are many areas to save if needed. I almost guarantee it will be better constructed that a log cabin or shed bought relatively cheaply. That said, if you dont want to build it yourself, or dont have the time / energy etc , then buying anything you can make your own is still an alright alternative. But if there is any way of getting it build or building it for a similar cost then go for it. Far more solid. I have seen log cabins for around £4k but you have to remember that they dont have insulation, boarding in the interior or electrics like mine has, yes mine was £11k but you could easily do it for less. Check out Sumeray builds, jack is doing a brilliant one right now.
M8 hats off to u but wow 😲 😳 a knew it was expensive talking through it with u throughout and we both no timber isn't cheap but wow hadn't pictured it that much but way a see it you'll hopefully never need another shop so kinda win win. 🤔 Great video though amazing break downs and detail in it. Also if anyone reads this one thing I have found recently is national company in UK Rembrandt timber working out best prices I've found on dimensional timber anywhere from 1-5 quid a meter saving in comparison to another national merchant. Catch up soon m8🏴👍
@@startmaking1 oh m8 deffo ave probably saved hundred quid on the order for the sleepers just by going somewhere else. No hopefully you won't need another shop any time soon. Well maybe not depends how big and quick u get😀🏴👍
I'm literally just about to start my own workshop project and am trying to decide whether to buy a decent large shed or build my own! My budget won't be 11k though 🤨 Fabulous job you have done BTW 👍🏼
Thank you very much. In truth you can build a more shed like building for a lot less. I would highly suggest seeing what badgers workshop built. It is more workshop than shed but in line with a shed type of cost.
Unless you can get some fantastic deals on materials stuff costs what it costs. I watched a guy do a budget build but he found a lot of the stuff he used. When he was done it looked like it too.
Really appreciate this video as I’m on the fence between building myself or buying pre fab. Still undecided! How long do you think in man hours from start to finish? Thinking of taking 2 weeks off work in spring for it.
I think that providing you have the slab poured and hardened, two can easily get the building up and completed inside and out. May still require some decoration and internal shelving/tables. All depends on your skill levels and weather of course. Good luck. I would hire a large nail gun and use that to assemble walls floor and roof. This will not only save huge amounts of time and effort, but a decent amount of £ on impact screws (impact drivers are the dogs dangly bits mate).
Man hours is tricky as a lot were spent lugging the materials. the build took 28 days not including the slabs part. And that included lugging. Each day was approx 8 hours and on average I would guess 5 hours of building but I was alone so that has to be taken into account. Doing some rough maths I would say yes, you can definitely do it. Especially if you plan first. Know exactly what you are doing each day. And dont forget you really only need to get it water tight. If you run out of time after that you can finish up the rest on days off.
That is a very long walk from the street to the workshop, Mark. To carry all that material by yourself, well phew! Were you tempted at all to relocate closer to the house?
I was very tempted. Sadly the top garden is not really well laid out for a build otherwise I would have really considered it. It's would have saved my knees for sure.
I've decided--I'm sticking with you. Obviously, your wife is a good egg. Most women would go wild with us carrying materials through the house. Well, my friend, live and learn. You've done great. Safety is key, take it from a tradesman who has ruined his body because of doing everything himself. This was a brilliant build for a first timer. Nice!!
One thing pros would have done is if they had to go over the floor in the house they'd have put hardboard down on the floor. There's no way they'd have moved materials over the flooring. Not without protecting it. When I saw the floor when he was moving stuff all I could think was, gutsy.
@1pcfred I agree with you. The video of the ply and 2 by 4s going through was a tiny delivery right at the end of the build. For the bulk of the deliveries especially the sack trucks of rubble and sand I put down half sheets of OSB to spread the weight. Luckily it is all hard flooring but I knew I didnt have the energy to fix it up after the build. Great spot though. You are the first.
@themeat5053 She is amazing. Dont tell her I said that. She knows how much this means to me but more importantly I told her that when I finished the workshop and work bench build I would maker her a jewellers work bench for her work. Im still held to that promise. I could not agree more on safety. Between you and me, I feel that I was lucky on this one to come out of it in tact, mainly my knees and back. Though, as I am building a big bench out of sheet goods and 2 by 4s I am feeling the strain more than I did on the workshop. I see this as a sign to take it super slow. Im learning from you bud.
@@startmaking1 I won't say a word. I have the same type of girl (though we are born in the 50s). They already know and we don't need to inflate their egos anymore than necessary. You'll find there is a huge quid pro quo to this woodworking obsession of ours. My first build on our new property was a rather large chicken coop so that the missus could raise more than a backyard brood. Loved the build and then we added on to it. I use to think we were dirt farmers, but I guess, now that she has retired, we are really chicken farmers. That coop needs up keep in the spring and fall and the nesting boxes are re-built every so often. But, by doing that (and making the grandchildren furniture and toys), I'm left to my own devices in the shop. Crack on and have a great weekend.
I'm planning on making a similar shed for myself. I'm trying to plan out the build, but find it quite difficult to estimate the amount of materials I need as I don't really have any experience with building. So hoping you could answer a question :) How many 2x4's did you approximately use for this project?
Im sorry to hear that Mark. I was lucky, at the time of the build my health was about as good as it had been for a few years. Though I am still recovering now.
Could have saved a lot,by just using blocks under the building base,rather then a patio. I used a 3x2 timber,and a lot less then you used,and it's still good after twenty years.
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Again massive respect for taking on that project by yourself. And thanks for sharing the mistakes so others can avoid them and tips so we can use them.
Thank you. It's the only way I know. I appreciate the kind comments.
I left a comment earlier. I watched the entire series while you were building and was proud of your achievement and how you pushed through until the end. This video is also wonderful and so useful to those thinking of building themselves. Very nicely done.
Hi Robert. Thank you for this view and all the others. Everyone that watched the build spurred me on with their comments along the way. For that I am grateful.
Those recaps videos are so important. Thanks for making one and being honest!!!
You are very welcome and thank you too.
I’m not sure if it’s available in your area but here in the states we have a product called zip sheeting. It’s an osb and water and air barrier in one sheet. Then you use their tape at the seems. Saves a step of wrapping and it’s water and air tight. They have a roofing sheet version as well. If you need more insulation than 2x4 will allow they offer what’s called zip-r. It’s a Polly iso insulations glued to the osb with the same water and air barrier.
Also for a shed you could have gone with advanced framing which is studs on 24” center vs traditional 16” center. Saves a lot of wood and could offer enough savings to bump up 2x4 to 2x6 to get more r value in your walls.
I saw this a little while ago and it looks brilliant. thank you,.
it must feel great to have that space, and made it ENTIRELY by yourself. Well done.
Thank you. It really does feel like a treat. Im very grateful.
A huge project. Even bigger when you factor in how you had to get materials in and out. Good job!! So glad you escaped serious injury. You worried me more than once watching this build.
I was worried a fair few times too if I am honest. Glad it is done now.
Yeah one thing I'd put on the list of things he should have had is an A frame dolly. He could have hauled everything with one of those. The sheets, those pavers, bags of material, all of it.
Mark, I really enjoy your channel and look forward to seeing any new video you post. I had a similar experience, building a 8’ x 6’ garden shed for yard tool and garden supplies storage. I went through all the same thoughts and decisions you did, and the same process of questioning and second-guessing my decisions. Fortunately, I had my adult Son helping me and your point about getting assistance is spot-on! You have one of the most relatable TH-cam channels on crafts and woodworking. Keep it up! Looking forward to seeing the next video!
hi Craig. That is really kind. Thank you. I bet building with your son was a great experience too.
Fascinating video mark - nearly dropped my tea when you mentioned the cost of the screws!!!
I’m sure the cost in the end was worth the experience gained, and the workshop looks amazing!
Yes. I was a little surprised too Alex. Didnt feel so much when I was buying a few boxes at a time. The overall cost felt a lot too but belt and braces and all than.
He may have paid more than he had to but he got more too. That shed is way better than what a pro would build you. They know how to shave everywhere. Sure less can do you too but in the end it's less and it doesn't last as long. It's just not as good.
Super useful video Mark and perfect timing! I'm planning my workshop build and this has given me some very useful pointers :D
Hi Jack. Hope you are well bud. I saw that you were planning on moving a. shed and building a workshop. Super exciting. Are you planning a build series. I really enjoyed mine and people were very supportive.
@@startmaking1 I'm going to film it and make it a series. Seems a missed opportunity not to! Thinking 3m x 6m so a similar size to yours!
I think you definitely should . I found the editing of the videos was a good time to let the body recover. I sense a lot of vests are going to be on show right?
You’ve done a really awesome job building as well as documenting your successes and opportunities for improvement. It’s very encouraging to see the before and after functionality. I watch a ton of makers on TH-cam and your videos are some of my favorites. Keep up the good work. Thanks for your effort.
Wow Michael you are very kind. Thank you so much. I very much appreciate it.
Thank you!! This is exactly what I'm facing living on a terraced house on a main road with not much front space. Just seen a house down the road where they stack 4 of those jumbo bags of sand one on top of the other 2 x 2. They'll gonna need a ladder to access it 😅 Commenting so I'll watch in full this weekend.
Wow. I spoke to the builders merchant and they offered the ton bags and I just imagined wheel barrow carrying it through the house. It was bad enough carrying the bags of sand and rubble though. Though, in the end, taking it slow and steady, it wasn't all that bad.
This was such a great series Mark, and this is a great synopsis with an interesting twist of the earnings from the video series. I've built 3 sheds in my woodworking life. Every shed went over budget, took significantly longer than expected, but each was a learning experience and all served their purpose well. I think regardless of the trial and error, frustration, and maybe "imperfect" results, building a shed is a great skill builder. Learn the materials, learn the process, and take pride in the fruits of your labor.
Could not agree more Jered. Thank you. The funny thing with the video income is that it was far lower until the speed run build video suddenly took off. So I have re recorded the earnings bit a fair few times to keep it accurate. Fact is the videos may eventually pay for a decent chunk of the build but for now I hope they inspire a few people to know that someone with very little skill can do more than they expect. The budget was initially set before I decided to make the shed sturdier. I was saying to my wife yesterday that knowing what I know now I could have stretched the materials out a fair amount more and actually the 11k budget could have build a shed 1.5 times larger probably. But no way I would have managed that, or even gotten planning. But good to know for the future. So long as the knees hold out.
@startmaking1 hindsight is always 20/20 as they say. The playhouse I built for my daughter blew the budget by $1000. For the price we ended paying, I could have hired a local company to erect a pre-fab model. But where's the fun in that? I think you released your roofing video right when I was doing my roof, and even with knee pads, it was still rough on the body. Glad this shop build worked out for you. Hopefully in the near future I can find some pennies to throw at my shop
It's a hard balancing act of spending against making do. I am definitely at the stop and save part of the cycle for a small time. The table saw at around £800 while not being expensive was also above what I could have paid but I hope it will serve me well. I often think about the budget of the build etc and I have to say that lessons learnt and satisfaction are priceless in the grand scheme of things. PS looking forward to the next podcast. Take care bud.
I built my workshop a few years back. No rear access but I got in a company that mixed concrete on site & a concrete pump. It made for a really easy base to start from. It may not be the cheapest option but does save you a lot of time and you don't need to drag all of the materials through the house (at least for the slab)
I had help from my wife & three kids on the build so it made for a great family experience, it also made it a lot easier getting that first framed wall up 🙂
4x2 walls with 50mm EPS as insulation (I also use that same insulation for the roof) 12mm OSB for the internal walls, 18MM OSB for the roof (I'm a big lad and had to walk on it to put the felt on) and Tyvek, more OSB & then shiplap for the outside. The doors are the same construction as the walls (2 x 3' doors) and finished (a year later) with a small porch so that I don;t get soaked when I open up and it's bucketing down with rain.
Apart from the base, the only other thing that I had pro help with was the electrics. It was a long run from the fuse board to the workshop through a maze of pipework from a previous extension (if they damage the pipework then it's on them to fix it) and I wanted to ensure that I didn't stuff it up and burn down my nice new workshop.
It is a great feeling to accomplish something like this and, if budget allows, I would definitely recommend giving it a go. My budget was helped greatly as I worked for a builders merchant at the time so got staff discount on most of the materials used for the build.
Hi Robert Thank you for sharing the story. I really wish I had checked out the base pouring in more detail. The slabs nearly killed me . Amazing getting the family involved. I was way too stubborn for that. I am definitely considering a porch of sorts. Though it will go against planning, I may just risk it and slap one up and hope for the best, This week I got absolutely soaked and it came in a little under the doors as the wind was facing them. So a porch with proper doors would certainly solve that. And it is another place to store off cuts lol.
Amazing getting a discount too. I think I got a fair price on the materials though I probably could have saved if In had bulk bought. Who knows. the electrics are all pro installed. They ran the armoured cable and fitted 2 rings. The kill switch is my favourite bit. No worrying if I have switched anything off.
Great catch-up. Completely agree about the impact driver. Brought my first one last year from Screwfix when they did the bare DeWalt one for less than half price at £50 and now I wouldn't be without it 😄
Hi Chris. Could not agree more. I failed to mention that my first Makita gave up after the walls section as I had just gone at it too hard but I replaced it and the new one with the power control buttons is top notch.
Absolutely fantastic video and so concise for the amount of info within. Your original series was what inspired me to pull my finger out and do my own. 👍
Thank you so much. And that is brilliant to hear. If I can build one, anyone can. Good luck with the build.
Perfectly timed Mark. Just in discussion with my finance manager (wife) about build or buy for additional storage and workshop extension. Really useful info that is very much appreciated. Onwards !
Thank you Chris. Good luck with the negotiations.
I went through the same journey 3 years ago. Although my circumstances were completely different, the approach was quite similar. Can’t imagine having to carry everything through the house like that, that was wild! Happy for you that the project is done, but also kind of sad the video series is ending!
By different circumstances I presume you mean more skills, you can say it lol. joking aside, I dont think I would have done it if I knew back then how much effort it would take to carry it all through. Luckily I had no idea. Im a little sad as now I need some good ideas for videos. But first I need good packaging ideas. Im going to learn, surely. PS glad to see your channel getting the love it deserves.
When I saw him carrying everything by hand I thought, No. On jobs we have these things called A frame carts we use. They're made for moving panels but you can put anything on those.
Well done Mark. Another really great video.
Have watched loads of tutorials but none that explain: how heavy those boards are, realistic costs, the pain of moving materials, or honesty about the mindset of when things don't go perfectly.
After watching your first video on the series, I started to do a similar build. 100% inspired by yourself. Still haven't got the roof on yet, but will definitely use some of things said here.
Other than what you've said, only thing I can recommend is a nail gun. I rented mine from Travis Perkins for less than £100 and it really got me along faster, I think. £100 on nails too though, so maybe not the cheapest route. Also from a novice DIYer perspective, it was quite scary to use at first, but by panel 3 it became natural.
Anyways, just wanted to say thank you for the video. It's almost spooky how much I needed it. And great news about the viewership increase on your channel. I really hope it helps to pay for the workshop. Cheers
Hi James thanks you very much. I cant believe that I inspired anyone with this. I am a little jealous of the nail gun. So much quicker and less effort. I appreciate you reaching out to tell me about your build. I could not be more chuffed.
Nice video, Mark. I'm so pleased I'm not the only one who tries to cut corners by working around materials.😂
You're absolutely right, though. Clear the decks first. It makes a huge difference.
One of my biggest regrets for sure. But still a fun adventure.
I really enjoyed the whole process watching all the videos. I’m not in the market for a new space yet but your build has definitely inspired me.
Thank you very much. It felt like a bit of a soap opera for a while and I am glad to be done in many ways.
Very informative.. So glad the original build has generated income and subscribers - very worthy.
Hi David. Thank you. And the best kind of people too. Helpful and supportive.
Thoroughly enjoyed the series Mark and as I have said in previous videos you have done a wonderful job and you should be extremely proud of what you have achieved. I take my hat off to you.
Now, you just enjoy the fruits of your labour and enjoy your workshop. Thank you.
Thank you Steve. I think that when I have finished the work bench which is 80% of the way there, I will feel very settled for quite a while. Thank you for watching along the way.
He could build a shed for me any time. He goes a little crazy but in a good way.
Hey Mark, thank you for a really great and interesting video, what a nightmare having to take all your materials through the house! You have pretty much built a little house at the end of the garden, this will surely add value to your property? I think the most important point you make is, have another pair of hands, there are lots of people out there that would have enjoyed this process and been happy to exchange time on their own build, thanks again for taking the time and trouble to post this, stay lucky
Hi Paul. Thank you. It was a lot to be honest and I'm not sure I would do it again knowing how hard it was with the access. A second pair of hands throughout would definitely make this kind of build far easier and more enjoyable.
That was a really useful video and looking forward to watching the others as looking to build the exact same thing. The question I have is, as I unfortunately don't have any assistance from anyone local to help build it, is how you lifted the rubber roofing on to the roof? A couple of years ago I built a timber frame garage 5M x 2.5M with rubber roofing and did not realise heavy it was (the delivery guy made it look easy when he dropped it in my porch) ended up using a ladder at a shallow angle with timber supports underneath to roll it up onto the roof which was very hard work and not particularly safe. I also think it is great once it's on as it massively reduces the chances of leaks if fitted correctly Thanks
You ask a very important question as this was one of the few jobs I had my dad help with. Dont do it alone unless you set up platforms of some kind. I did the bulk of the lift on this but having someone there was important . What I actually did was move a table to where the doors were. Lift the roof onto the table, then standing on the table, lift it up and support it on the 2 open doors. Then from the roof lift the rest. I have seen someone open the rubber on the ground and then pull it up the ladder after them but I would be far too worried about ripping. I could not believe watching my delivery guy lifting the roof like it was nothing too.
This video is really amazing. Hard to find this level honesty and saved me a lot of money
Hi Martin. You are most welcome. And thank you.
Brilliant video, I really like how honest and open you are in all your videos. One thing you didn't say is building it yourself you can get exactly the design you want. Great channel, keep up the excellent work 👍
Thank you Jim. That is a great point.
I followed the whole build really enjoyed it coming from a family of construction craftsmen I am really impressed saw the errors as they came and how you dealt with working alone did make me shudder at times but hats off you deserve the following 👏
Hi George. Thank you. And the compliment means a lot more from someone in the know, so to speak.
@@startmaking1 at 14 (1969) I was all set to become a carpenter at which point my dad said if he caught me with a set of chisels in my hand he would cut my fingers off I went int shipbuilding as a welder now at 68 I am a Senior welding inspector teaching my grandson carpentry in my loft workshop the circle comes around some easy projects for young learners with autism would help from the TH-cam community would help he’s made a pocket hole table by Lion and Bear just need some further inspiration keep putting it out I will keep watching 😊
Hi George. What a lovely story. I was told that it would be best if I became an accountant. I was 11. Funny how it goes. PS I am not an accountant.
Haven’t seen any of the build videos, only this one. I am in a similar position having recently completed my garden cabin 3.6 m x 3.6 m with pyramid roof. Still have some small bits to do to get the building fully finished. Cost wise It will come in at around £7,500 all in including some tool purchase and 30 sq m Indian stone patio. It’s been a lot of work and all done on my own apart from three days help sheathing the roof, Very satisfying lots of lessons learnt, and some regrets in build decisions in hindsight, however it’s a fabulous addition and I will get a lot of use from it.
Thats a great budget to have stuck to. Well done. It's a good feeling once done isnt it.
@@startmaking1 sure is, few things to finish and just ordered the slabs for the patio yesterday. Heavy work to finish !!!!
wow, good luck. That was my least favourite bit.
Mark as always belting vid rkid as you know my shed is made of palettes and reclaimed timber I love recycling wood bin struggling with mental health the last 3 weeks your vids help me get back in there cheers mark👍
Hi Bud. I love your shed from what I have seen but that and my video are not important. What is important is your mental health. I am so sorry to hear that you have been struggling. To be honest I have ups and downs especially during the winter months. Im not offering any kind of advice as I dont know your situation at all but I will say that a few weeks ago I had to take a big step back from a few of the balls I was juggling. things have a way of creeping up on you and suddenly swamping you when you least expect it. I started woodworking as a form of therapy and when social media gets in the way I just take a day to build something, or just sit in the workshop with a cup of tea and breathe. Im rambling now. I guess what I am saying is you are important and you should do what it takes to look after you. Take care bud.
@startmaking1 I'm in the shed 2 hours a day at the mo but ye got to get moving naw feel better the last couple of days so fingers crossed for some reason I watch all your vids all the way through face book dus my head in cos peeps keep going on about spelling I'm dyslexic and it's a pet hate of mine eneywho keep smiling mark your doing really well thanks 😊
I have stopped using FB. Found it was not the best place for mental health tbh. People have stopped thinking about the effects that their words can have. I hope that the shed time is still paying off. I know that after a few hours down there I feel far more balanced if that is the word. Take care bud.
Fantastic series of videos. I've watched this build from the start.
Really well done Mark.
I've built my workshop, some 4.8m Square, and 2.1 - 2.4 high. Mostly from reclaimed timber.
Hi Nigel. Thank you for the support. Much appreciated. Similar size, a little bigger but reclaimed timber, that must have made a decent saving.
Awesome, great job and thanks for the entire breakdown. I'll go watch the fast version and then the first one of the series. 🔥🔥👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you very much.
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And I'm really pleased for you that the video revenue has gone apart of the way to cover your costs. Making videos is not trivial :)
Glad I could help. There are definitely things I would do differently but it is standing still and that really helps. As for revenue. I was a little surprised at how the videos did and still do. One day maybe in 10 years they will cover the cost and I can build another, larger one. Who knows.
Fair play mate, that some graft you put into the build. The final result looks grand.
Thank you very much. I am certainly glad it is over.
Thanks so much for the build series, of course I've watched a few others like Badgers as well I'd be lying if I said I didn't, and the saving tips have helped also, this has all been great info for me as I begin my own (smaller) workshop build next month👍
I was inspired by Badgers one. Really well described series. Good luck with your build. I reckon it will be the perfect time of year to crack on. It was a little late in the summer when I started, far too hot.
I built a nearly exact size one for a neighbour, had a minidigger to take off topsoil so that was handy , and i had access at side of house, didn't put a solid base in, just laid concrete block on their flat side in a grid pattern on hard core on a bed of mortar, then attached floor deck to that. used tin cladding outside so it looks more utilitarian, and insulated panels for the roof, works out a bit cheaper than your roof cos you don't need timber, seperate insulation, rubber , etc, plus they go on really quickly. Got second hand pvc windows and door for 100 quid. Insulated walls and floor and ply lined. Total cost was around 4 800 excl labour. No electric fitted yet but planned for future. That was 3 years ago? Prob cost nearer 6 grand today with price of materials.
I find that quite reassuring Kevin to be honest. I know I spent almost twice the current value of your build but for the first timer I dont think I had the confidence to go for a lot of the areas of savings. Your roof sounds a lot simpler.
@@startmaking1 yea those panels will span 4 metres unsupported and you can walk around on them for maintenance, very quick to put on, mine took 2 hours with 1 man's help, start to finish, which is handy in our crap climate 😄
Very jealous now.
It's been very interesting watching your videos as you've progressed because I'm looking at replacing a shed at our new place with shed/summer room. Basically a shed slightly larger than what's there, sticking another on the end next to it and making one large building with a divider somewhere near the middle giving the summer room more space. The one thing that I'm unsure of is the base. Sure, I can get concrete made up and make a base but I've been considering raising the structure off the ground on stilts, allowing air to travel underneath keeping it dry. Still got loads of research to do before I start work on it, think that stage is 2 years off yet.
I need to sit down and watch the videos again and make some notes...
hi. That sounds like a really cool project. I have to say that the base was my most nervous area. And the area that I have the least clue about. I will say that raising it up is a smart move as I am now going to be forever clearing any leaves that land close to the shed just in case. Research and planning are the areas I wish I had spent more time on. Best of luck bud.
Love the shop you’ve made. Seeing the upgrade was fantastic.
Thank you. Very much appreciated.
Hi Mark hope your well, The workshop build has been a great series and we always think could I have done it different. When we build some thing always thing ahead but the most important thing is to be happy with your build. Yes after may be we could save some money on materials saying that you know its a solid build and doing your first big build there is nothing wrong doing it belt and braces best to be over engineered than under engineered. I think you have got an amazing workshop some thing to be proud of and to know that it you that built it cant take that from you. As always a great video catch you on the next one Take care Mate
Hi Shaun. You are right. there are always improvements seen after the fact. Whether it is a small box or a large building. And you are so right. Just being happy with the result and the lessons learnt is enough. I mentioned this to someone else in these comments about their positivity in the woodworking YT space and you deserve the same thank you. I see you comment loads of positivity all round the woodworking YT space and it does not go unnoticed. At least from me anyway. Every video I watch has a nice comment from you. It makes a difference.
That’s a very good guide, can’t fault any of it except that after I built my first one I bought myself a battery finishing nail gun which made subsequent ones much much quicker and easier as like you I prefer to use screws not nails.
I think if I did it again I would have to go with a nailer, just for the speed and ease. Though I would want to pracrtise a fair bit first.
Thank you for such a detailed and straight to the point video. Love the costings and added revenue. Really helpful. 👍
Thanks you very much.
Great video Mark thanks for sharing how much it cost you to build your workshop . You Sir did an amazing job building it by yourself. Keep up the great job can’t wait to see your next video.
Thank you Jim. I have to say that I notice your positive comments across a whole lot of woodworking videos and for spreading that huge amount of positivity within the space I want to say thank you.
I spent about 1500 on screws for framing my house. Another couple of hundred on collated plasterboard screws too. You don't consider how much they are until you add them all up! Although I just put up an OSB ceiling in my garage this last week and I was very happy to have had boxes of the collated screws leftover. T'was like a little gift to myself.
Exactly this. It doesnt feel much when buying a box here and there. I know what you mean about having them over too. Building a workbench now and having loads of different sized screws around is priceless.
Better than Netflix, enjoyed
Great Video. Thank you for your honesty and transparency. You have done such a great job.
Thank you for following along. Makes it worth while.
ive been quoted under 40k for a design i made of around 42m2,, with all the power points, cladding, insulation etc soo that seems like a similar price but with the labour and shipping etc included here
That's does sound like a similar price as your will be twice the size of mine plus a bit.
Thanks Mark! I missed the first one. headed there now.
Feels like a life time ago when I made that one.
Well mate, thats all the worrying over and it turned out to be great.
Still looking at 4ft of snow here but Im ready to start… REALLY READY. Mine is 8.8m x 6m. I agree that the planing is really important, alot of drawings and changes now will hopefully cut down on mistakes under construction.
The other thing is I have been buying tools and materials for the last year to help spread the cost. Just bought the Makita 12inch LS1219L mitersaw, think this will help with the framing.
Anyway keep up the good work. Looking forward to the next vid.
Keep well.
Cheers Peter.
Hi Peter. thank you for your patience with this video. I know you have been waiting. Wow 4ft snow. That is a bit of a hindrance. What a great size too. Yours will fit mine in at least 3 times over. Brilliant space. Spreading the cost is also a really good idea. I was lucky, the month I paid for a lot of it my jewellery box video had a stormer and brought in a nice lump sum, not the total by a long shot but it softened the blow. A mitre saw will definitely help too. Though the circular saw and speed square was pretty accurate.
Oh by the way, the web site is getting there….. Do you Get a fee for the gear we order or look at?
@peterjohneggleton2011 oh thank you. The links on the site are amazon affiliate links like the ones in the videos so there is a small commission from purchases.
My brain says YAH Let's do this!!! My wallet and body are Yah right M8. And Council property limits and restrictions. Thanks Mark, I'll have to live vicariously through your shop and videos. And my pop-up gazabo. Take care & stay safe.
Hi Doug. It does sound like a lot, well, it is a lot of money. I approach it differently as I am making a side hustle income from the workshop so I guess it is different. What I am trying to say is that I was so very happy in my falling down shed and could have had a hobby in there until it turned into kindling. But then the videos started. I imagine that you are as happy in the Gazebo as I was in the shed and that is not to be underestimated. My body still aches from the build too lol.
Thanks for this. First video of yours I've watched. I've been through all the Ali Dymock videos (where is he now?) and it's useful to see someone else having a go. The cost comparison of a pre-built one is very useful to know.
Thank you. I reached out to Ali and said thank you but didnt get a reply. He hasn't posted in a long time and his videos were so instrumental in my build. It would have been nice to say a huge thank you.
Thanks very much for posting this analysis. Its much appreciated. Shame to have to cover all those lovely windows.
I know. And to not see outside is weird but the noise and light control is top notch. Helps as the Dewalt table saw I have just got is like an aircraft.
The build is when i started watching, its been good!
Thank you Evan. And thank you for sticking around throughout the process.
very informative vid ,i used my multi vibrating tool to cut out the siding of my shed to put in the windows and plan to do the same when i put in a 2nd door just cut along the 2 by 4 studs. i like the steel roofing and siding we get hail and very strong winds here in Oklahoma so need a good base and roof great video glad i am a subscriber enjoyed all of your vids get a different perspective!!
I am a little jealous of the multi tool. They look so useful. ITs on the list. I can imagine you do need a very strong roof for sure. I dont think mine is going anywhere but you never know. And thank you for following the journey. Very much appreciated.
I’m on a similar journey as you. I do not try to do videos professionally as you but I also have build a garden room which is 2/3s office and 1/3 my workshop. And documented it on my channel. What I’d like is for people to find the inspiration and courage to do woodworking with limited budget and space. And everything I learned on how to do it is from youtube. Same as you 👍
I will have to take a look at the videos. I have learned everything off YT too. It's a great space for learning. Thank you for watching my little channel.
I’m currently halfway through building my workshop. It’s open on one side and I’m using round wood small trees for framing. Pallet wood for walls and bought some tin roofing.
I’m lucky I already have a concrete floor and a small forest full of sweet chestnut, black locust and hornbeam. My cost so far is only £200, for the tin roof and some screws and nails.
Because of time I’m half mortises and tenoning it for the main bits and screws and nails for the brackets and rafters.
But I can say it’s a lot of work and you need some half decent tools. Chainsaw, the makita planer is a godsend. Router for the mortises, circular saw and a decent chisel. And I’m lucky I’ve built it next to another building so I don’t need power.
Fed up of not being able to work in the rain and having to set up my equipment every time.
Wow, that sounds really cool. Way beyond my skills but I bet it will look amazing. And for only £200 so far. Thats insanely good. I totally understand about working outside. I used to work on a couple of saw horses outside and it was such an effort getting stuff made. Sounds funny but at the moment I am still taking wood outside to cut as I have not set up my dust extraction and because I do a lot of talking in the workshop dust is a right pain. Seems there is always something else to do lol.
@@startmaking1 yeah that’s one of the bonuses is I don’t need much dust extraction other than a mask while sanding and routing. But no trust me skills are minimal at the mo 😂 but I’m learning.
I did take your last comment to heart though on the video and wished I’d have filmed my progress. Always make excuses not to but you’ve humanised it a lot and it still looks very professional.
It's hard to do everything and get it right etc. Just allow yourself to enjoy the process is kind of my way of thinking.
Greetings from Texas. Just found this channel and new subscriber. I grew up in a small town in a mostly rural area. We lived on an acre in town and my father always had a large shop. I completely understand the "fed up" statement. My shop is in a two car garage, in which we still park two cars. Most equipment is on casters. Workbench is stationary beside a wall. I also share the space with a food freezer, a storage cabinet and storage shelves holding a lot or useless junk which my wife insists we must keep. Each time I want to work, I must move cars, get out equipment, do the work, clean the space and put the equipment away and finally move cars back into the garage. Clean up and put away process takes 30 to 45 minutes on a good day. I live in a major metropolitan area. Our lot is only 70' x 120' and the back 10' is taken up with a utility easement. The house and driveway take up another 4000 or so square feet. There are 6' setback rules on the sides. I have virtually no place on my property on which I can build any kind of shop unless I chop down a huge tree in the back yard and give up the idea of any kind of back yard/garden area.
Excellent video as always. Lots of useful info. Keep up the great work.
Thank you. Much appreciated.
Very nice, all through, nicely discussed and detailed.. totally looking at a new build, maybe next summer.. cheers 👍👍
Thank you and good luck with the new build.
Thanks Mark. Watch all the build videos as I'm planning a similar but smaller build once the UK weather becomes more predictable. Thanks for the honesty with your mistakes. You'll save a lot of us a lot of pain i'm sure.
Keep up the good work. Very engaging content.
Thank you. Much appreciated. I think that spring is the perfect time to start one of these. I was too late and the weather heated up a little too much. Good luck with the build. I cant wait to hear how you get on.
One thing you can just about guarantee with these projects is bad weather. When I did the roof on my shed I think it rained at least half the time I was doing it. At one point I just stood there and thought, this is typical. Because before then we hadn't had rain in months.
Brilliant job mark, thanks for the breakdown of everything it's so useful. When I build mine I was hoping to do a 6x3 room for around 10k - i will definitely be planning ahead with a materials list in order to negotiate bulk discounts, and no doubt to realise it will be over budget 😅
Also, definitely going to invest in a hikoki or milwaukee first fix nail gun (even though I'm on makita ordinarily)
From the little I know, I firmly believe that you can do it for that budget with a little more planning than I did. It will be a really nice size too. Mine, plus a little overall.
Thanks, you forgot you have been in control of the quality and you learned a lot
I cant even describe how much I have learnt. You are right. And how much woodworking confidence I have gained. I have not said this before much but in this area of TH-cam it is easy to feel like an imposter to the experts and in a way this series has made me feel like I have gained a little credit as a woodworker. Like it has elevated me from beginner to intermediate in a way. Hard to describe. I know I am far from an expert and definitely not a teacher in any way but in myself I feel like I have gained a small amount of standing. Something like that.
What a cool share Mark. Not sure I can convince the Long Haired Colonel to let me spend the money though, maybe I could convert the master bedroom into a workshop! If only I were that brave. so I guess I better just clear out my garage better! LOL.
Hi Ian. Thank you very much. I dont think. your idea is brave, more crazy lol. Though if you do try it is worth setting up a camera for the response, could make a great video lol.
Would make a great slapstick comedy for sure. @@startmaking1
That was interesting. I started one last April and have still to finish! Made some different choices but think I'm coming in at 10K for 4.3x3.6m, so quite comparable.
That is interesting and makes me feel a lot better about my spend. It's a nice size. Not too big but if the space is used right you can fit a lot in.
Interesting numbers. For estimates, I have always used the material cost and added that number in again for the labour. At $11,000 (your cost) x 2 = $22,000 (cost to have it done), you're right on the money. I know it's pounds, not dollars, but same thing.
That is really good to know. I had no idea. Thank you for sharing.
Have you seen the spruce log cabins, diy kits double glazed with nordic spruce tongue and Grove timbers for around 4 grand for something the same size.
I just took a look. The interior is a fair bit smaller but they do look quite good. I bet once you insulate them they are probably ok. To be fair if I had stopped at the spec they are offering it would have been a similar price apart from I spent more on the roof I guess. They also look like they come in pieces that are a little large to get through a house. I always assumed these would not work for my specific needs. But they look good value. And the one I looked at offers additional extra of insulation.
@startmaking1 maybe looking at a different one to me, the ones I'm looking at basically come as 45mm x 90mm timbers that are cut to length and tongued ready to build, would've been ideal to run through the window like you did, irrelevant anyway, you've done an impressive job on yours anyway.
Oh I see, You are right it would have been ideal. In a way I am glad I didnt see them, I tend to become inert with indecision.
@startmaking1 yeah I'm the same, although I'm currently inert with cash 😅😅 would love to set up a little workshop in the garden soon
Well done Mark ... very entertaining. If I had the space I would build one, but I don't, so I won't. 😀
Lol, thank you. And fair enough.
Amazing…. I’m in the middle of doing my own build now. Smaller than this. Thanks for the videos
More than welcome David. I hope your build goes well. It is such a relief when it is done. Satisfying too.
Great warts n all series. I loved it.
Thank you much appreciated. The warts are my favourite bit lol.
Screws will snap, nails will just bend a bit with forces, I would go with a screw to pull in and nail gun to fire a couple of nails in.
I am not too worried about the screws. You are right but I dont see the weather offering up enough to snap all the screws I used. Or I hope not anyway.
Great video. Slowly building mine and hating my decision to plasterboard the interior 😮💨
Hi John. It's hard isnt it. The decisions that feel right at the time suddenly dont a few months later. I will say that I dont think any build is perfect and though plasterboard may not be perfect, I bet it is better than ply for sound proofing. Im a little jealous of that. I seriously considered it from the point of as and when I sell the house it would be a nicer interior finish for people wanting a home office or gym. But my final decision was made when I imagined how many hole I would put in it just from swinging long boards around. But I dont think anything is perfect.
This is a great film, thank you for honesty. Would you please share how many working hours it took (roughly)?
Hi. Thank you. Approx time of build would be very rough but it was 28 days and averaging 25 of those working. Probably 7 hours a day average. But remember that also includes carrying all the stuff from the road to the site. I hope that helps.
My experience is if u buy, its cheaper but wont last long.
If u build urself, u can build to ur spec, yes it costs more, but it will last many many years, if done right and maintained!
This cost less than anything he could have bought. I think it's way better too. Heck I know it is. I know what people sell you. They sell you what they an make a lot on.
This is my hope for sure.
Thank you, your build videos and the costs breakdown is extremely helpful 👍 I am about to start my workshop build, 8 metres by 6 metres, god help me 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
That is a really good sized workshop. Great challenge. And good luck.
The suggestion to avoid osb on the walls is pretty bad advice. That is providing all the diagonal bracing and a lot of the strength (unless you are going to put it on the inside instead)
That's the point I was trying to make is that you don't need both. In my novice opinion. Don't phrase it well probably.
Great video. For cost comparison do you think 44m interlocking log cabins are even worth considering?
To be honest I am no expert. But I will say that for the cost, I made it entirely to my specs and with belt and braces insulation. It has been brilliant since. there are many areas to save if needed. I almost guarantee it will be better constructed that a log cabin or shed bought relatively cheaply. That said, if you dont want to build it yourself, or dont have the time / energy etc , then buying anything you can make your own is still an alright alternative. But if there is any way of getting it build or building it for a similar cost then go for it. Far more solid. I have seen log cabins for around £4k but you have to remember that they dont have insulation, boarding in the interior or electrics like mine has, yes mine was £11k but you could easily do it for less. Check out Sumeray builds, jack is doing a brilliant one right now.
M8 hats off to u but wow 😲 😳 a knew it was expensive talking through it with u throughout and we both no timber isn't cheap but wow hadn't pictured it that much but way a see it you'll hopefully never need another shop so kinda win win. 🤔 Great video though amazing break downs and detail in it. Also if anyone reads this one thing I have found recently is national company in UK Rembrandt timber working out best prices I've found on dimensional timber anywhere from 1-5 quid a meter saving in comparison to another national merchant. Catch up soon m8🏴👍
It certainly snowballed but it is done now. Thankfully. Great advice on the timber too. Really useful in this climate.
@@startmaking1 oh m8 deffo ave probably saved hundred quid on the order for the sleepers just by going somewhere else. No hopefully you won't need another shop any time soon. Well maybe not depends how big and quick u get😀🏴👍
Wonderful video with deep insights. Thank you!
Thank you Brandon.
Great video - love the honesty.
Thank you Paul
Brilliant. Thank you. Wow… screws £350 more or less… that shocked me. Right I’m off to the website….👍🏻✨🌈✨
Thank you. Much appreciated. It is about the same amount as a nailer. Oh well. I understand screws better.
I was hoping for this noble sir!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks!
You are too kind.
Quick question, but why if you were having to go through planning anyway didn't you just pop a bit extra onto the height?
Hi Sam. In truth, I thought that it would get more people to complain and I was on a tight schedule. But you are right, I could have added a little.
There's no way you could have bought something else half as nice as what you built for even twice the price. Your shed came out great.
Thank you. I appreciate the comment.
@@startmaking1 you deserve it. Stellar job.
I'm literally just about to start my own workshop project and am trying to decide whether to buy a decent large shed or build my own!
My budget won't be 11k though 🤨
Fabulous job you have done BTW 👍🏼
Thank you very much. In truth you can build a more shed like building for a lot less. I would highly suggest seeing what badgers workshop built. It is more workshop than shed but in line with a shed type of cost.
Unless you can get some fantastic deals on materials stuff costs what it costs. I watched a guy do a budget build but he found a lot of the stuff he used. When he was done it looked like it too.
Absolutely great advice. Thank you.
Thank you. Much appreciated.
Oakwood garden rooms is the only garden room builder worth following if you have a bigger budget for your build .
Ageeed
Really appreciate this video as I’m on the fence between building myself or buying pre fab. Still undecided! How long do you think in man hours from start to finish? Thinking of taking 2 weeks off work in spring for it.
I think that providing you have the slab poured and hardened, two can easily get the building up and completed inside and out. May still require some decoration and internal shelving/tables. All depends on your skill levels and weather of course.
Good luck.
I would hire a large nail gun and use that to assemble walls floor and roof. This will not only save huge amounts of time and effort, but a decent amount of £ on impact screws (impact drivers are the dogs dangly bits mate).
Man hours is tricky as a lot were spent lugging the materials. the build took 28 days not including the slabs part. And that included lugging. Each day was approx 8 hours and on average I would guess 5 hours of building but I was alone so that has to be taken into account. Doing some rough maths I would say yes, you can definitely do it. Especially if you plan first. Know exactly what you are doing each day. And dont forget you really only need to get it water tight. If you run out of time after that you can finish up the rest on days off.
This is great advice from @trickiejohn for sure
That is a very long walk from the street to the workshop, Mark. To carry all that material by yourself, well phew!
Were you tempted at all to relocate closer to the house?
I was very tempted. Sadly the top garden is not really well laid out for a build otherwise I would have really considered it. It's would have saved my knees for sure.
I've decided--I'm sticking with you. Obviously, your wife is a good egg. Most women would go wild with us carrying materials through the house. Well, my friend, live and learn. You've done great. Safety is key, take it from a tradesman who has ruined his body because of doing everything himself. This was a brilliant build for a first timer. Nice!!
One thing pros would have done is if they had to go over the floor in the house they'd have put hardboard down on the floor. There's no way they'd have moved materials over the flooring. Not without protecting it. When I saw the floor when he was moving stuff all I could think was, gutsy.
@1pcfred I agree with you. The video of the ply and 2 by 4s going through was a tiny delivery right at the end of the build. For the bulk of the deliveries especially the sack trucks of rubble and sand I put down half sheets of OSB to spread the weight. Luckily it is all hard flooring but I knew I didnt have the energy to fix it up after the build. Great spot though. You are the first.
@themeat5053 She is amazing. Dont tell her I said that. She knows how much this means to me but more importantly I told her that when I finished the workshop and work bench build I would maker her a jewellers work bench for her work. Im still held to that promise. I could not agree more on safety. Between you and me, I feel that I was lucky on this one to come out of it in tact, mainly my knees and back. Though, as I am building a big bench out of sheet goods and 2 by 4s I am feeling the strain more than I did on the workshop. I see this as a sign to take it super slow. Im learning from you bud.
@@1pcfred Well, he is a gutsy guy. I miss the rugby jersey. That was a heck of a catch and good advice.
@@startmaking1 I won't say a word. I have the same type of girl (though we are born in the 50s). They already know and we don't need to inflate their egos anymore than necessary. You'll find there is a huge quid pro quo to this woodworking obsession of ours. My first build on our new property was a rather large chicken coop so that the missus could raise more than a backyard brood. Loved the build and then we added on to it. I use to think we were dirt farmers, but I guess, now that she has retired, we are really chicken farmers. That coop needs up keep in the spring and fall and the nesting boxes are re-built every so often. But, by doing that (and making the grandchildren furniture and toys), I'm left to my own devices in the shop. Crack on and have a great weekend.
I'm planning on making a similar shed for myself. I'm trying to plan out the build, but find it quite difficult to estimate the amount of materials I need as I don't really have any experience with building. So hoping you could answer a question :)
How many 2x4's did you approximately use for this project?
Gosh. I dont think I recorded it in the end. And I ended up using way more than was needed. Sorry.
@@startmaking1hey! - thanks for answering! - no worries, I'll figure it out!
I subscribe to the philosophy of over-building, so your shed gets a 👍 from me.
It feels like it makes up for my lack of skill. I am not worried that it will fall down and that is priceless. lol
Really interesting content, thank you for sharing. 👍
Always welcome bud.
Good job fella 👍
Thank you Dean. Your new place looks really exciting. A lot of work, but exciting.
Well done from Ohio!
Thank you bud. Very much appreciated.
Great video concept
Thank you Mr Fish.
This video series will be the bible for my build !! 😆 loved your videos and the way you present them ❤👍🏻👊🏻
Chris. Thank you. But do check out ALI DYMOCK. He has far more detail., and detail is planning and planning is good lol.
Subscribed.
Would I be able to build this straight onto decking?
Thank you. To be honest, I am no expert but I suspect the weight is too high for a decking base.
I'd love to be able to do that, but a lack of health will definitely stop that. Great series, though.
Im sorry to hear that Mark. I was lucky, at the time of the build my health was about as good as it had been for a few years. Though I am still recovering now.
Great stuff
Thank you. Much appreciated.
Could have saved a lot,by just using blocks under the building base,rather then a patio. I used a 3x2 timber,and a lot less then you used,and it's still good after twenty years.
I was worried that they would be more likely to move under the weight.
Great video !!!! thank you
Thank you much appreciated.
Do you have a link to Ali or what was his name?
www.youtube.com/@AliDymock Hope that works.
Nice video ! 😀👍
Thank you very much.